Debates of Sept. 24th, 1998

This is page numbers 185 - 222 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministers Absent From The House

Diamond Manufacturing In The Northwest Territories

Partnership In Training For Diamond Secondary Industry

Report On Crime And Corrections In The Northwest Territories

Capital Projects/public, Private, Partnerships (p3)

Overlap Of Responsibilities Within Nunavut Organizations

Intention Not To Seek Re-election

Western Governance Issues

Inuvik Young Offenders Facility

Transfer Of Federal Positions To The North

Rae-edzo Municipal Funding Issue

Capital Project Construction In The Arviat Constituency

Devolution Of Authority To Aboriginal Organizations

Decentralized Government Structures

Impact Of Water Subsidy Program Reductions

Baffin Conference On The Sealing Industry

Upcoming Iqaluit Conferences

Clyde River Accumulated Debt

Sirius Diamond Cutting And Polishing Plant

Opening Of The Ndilo Elementary School

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Quqshuun Ilihakvik School Maintenance

Water Problems In Tuktoyaktuk

Keewatin Medical Services

Economic Development Studies

Components Of A Strong Central Government

Assistance To Stanton Hospital Foundation

Inequitable Funding To Rae-edzo

Accessing The GNWT Switchboard

Future Of The NWT Power Corporation

Clyde River Report To Maca

Economic Strategy

Basic Functional Program Review

Inuvialuit Wildlife Amendments

Service To Transient Patients

Expenditures Not Budgeted For

Reply 1-13(6): Roland

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Tabled Document 16-13(6): Government Of The Northwest Territories Interim Financial Report For The Year Ended March 31, 1998

Tabled Document 17-13(6): Report On Crime And Corrections In The Northwest Territories

Tabled Document 18-13(6): Legislative Assembly Retiring Allowances Fund Financial Statements For The Year Ended March 31, 1998

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Reports Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 5: Regulatory Reform Measures Act

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 185

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Good afternoon. I would like to thank the Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark for serving in my place during my absence. I understand you are pretty happy to see me back.

--Applause

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 33-13(6): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Jim Antoine will be absent from the House for the remainder of the week to attend the Council of Ministers of Transportation meeting in Regina, Saskatchewan.

Mr. Speaker, I also wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be leaving the House later today and will be absent for the remainder of the week to attend the Fisheries Ministers meeting in Victoria, British Columbia. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 34-13(6): Diamond Manufacturing In The Northwest Territories

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I would like to provide this House with an update of the government's progress on developing a diamond manufacturing industry in the Northwest Territories.

framework establishes the Diamond Review Committee. This is interdepartmental group which will review, assess and provide recommendations on all diamond value added proposals. This will ensure a coordinated approach to the allocation of funding. The creation of this policy framework and the review committee also establishes the transparency required for industry and government to deal with each other in good faith.

The Diamond Review Committee has assessed a number of proposals. As a result, I am pleased to announce that our government will be supporting Sirius Diamonds in establishing the Northwest Territories' first diamond cutting and polishing facility.

--Applause

The government has agreed to provide a five-year loan guarantee to Sirius Diamonds. The initial amount is up to $5 million. Depending on production, the amount increases on a graduated basis up to $10 million. In addition, we will provide training contributions and wage subsidies totalling $690,000, and $250,000 towards the purchase of diamond manufacturing equipment.

The cutting and polishing plant will be located at the Yellowknife airport, adjacent to the BHP sorting and valuation centre. Initially, Sirius Diamonds NWT will hire and train 25 northerners. They will recruit more northern candidates next spring, and eventually the company plans to have as many as 50 trained personnel within five years.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity now to recognize the efforts of my colleagues Mr. Dent and the Department of Education, Culture and Employment regarding the training and wage subsidy component. Mr. Todd and the Financial Management Board Secretariat regarding matters concerning the loan guarantee and Mr. Antoine and the Department of Transportation for assistance regarding the airport location.

In addition, the support from the Yellowknife MLA's, Mr Ootes, Mr Henry and Mr. Erasmus and from Mayor Lovell and the City of Yellowknife was helpful and encouraging as we worked towards the finalization of the agreement.

The Government of the Northwest Territories has a vision for the north, Mr. Speaker. We see the NWT as the "Diamond Centre" of North America. We see the NWT being recognized worldwide for its rough and high quality polished diamonds, as well as its unique northern jewellery.

The GNWT will continue to work toward that vision with BHP Diamonds, other diamond manufacturers and future NWT diamond producers. We will continue to work toward developing a strong, viable diamond industry in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 34-13(6): Diamond Manufacturing In The Northwest Territories

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 35-13(6): Partnership In Training For Diamond Secondary Industry

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, good afternoon. I am pleased to announce a partnership between the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, Aurora College and the Diamond High Council of Antwerp and the Belgian government's Department of Education. We will work together with these partners on two initiatives. The first is the development of standards and certification for occupations in the secondary diamond industry. Those standards outline the knowledge, skills and attitudes a person needs to be certified as a brillianteer, blocker or bruter. The second initiative is pre-employment training.

As my colleague, Mr. Kakfwi , said earlier today, Sirius Diamonds will soon open the north's first diamond manufacturing plant. This new partnership will help ensure that we have a skilled northern workforce ready to fill new jobs in the secondary diamond industry. By using the expertise of instructors from the Diamond High Council of Antwerp as well as other diamond experts from around the world, we will train our workers to meet world standards of excellence in the secondary diamond industry.

A key component of the partnership will be the delivery of the pre-employment program for the diamond industry by Aurora College. The Diamond High Council of Canada, together with the college, will deliver this 16-week program in Yellowknife starting in January 1999. Instructors from the Diamond High Council, who are experts in the world of diamonds, will deliver this program in conjunction with Aurora College instructors. Students will have the opportunity to become internationally recognized and accredited to cut and polish diamonds.

There is a great deal of excitement these days about the new jobs and opportunities for northerners which will follow on the heels of the opening of the Ekati Diamond Mine next month. We are planning to be ready to fill those jobs with Northerners and keep more benefits in the North. Thank you, Mr. Speaker

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Minister's Statement 35-13(6): Partnership In Training For Diamond Secondary Industry

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 36-13(6): Report On Crime And Corrections In The Northwest Territories

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to inform this House that I have received the Report on Crime and Corrections in the Northwest Territories, prepared by Management and Policy International. I will be referring to this document as the Evans Report, after its lead writer, John Evans. I will be tabling the Evans Report later today.

My colleague, the Honourable Kelvin Ng , commissioned the Evans Report in September 1997 when he was the Minister of Justice and Health and Social Services . I am indebted to my colleague for his dedication and foresight in recognizing the challenges facing the Northwest Territories in the areas of crime and corrections and for commissioning this report. I am also indebted to all MLAs whose questions and concerns both inside and outside this House have, in no small part, contributed to the debate concerning crime and corrections in the Northwest Territories.

The terms of reference for the Evans Report called for an examination of four sets of issues:

­ First, to provide a statistical description of crime and criminal justice in the Northwest Territories;

­ Second, to provide an independent review of corrections in the Northwest Territories;

­ Third, to examine community tolerance of crime and community willingness to take on more of the challenges in justice and corrections;

Finally, the report was to provide recommendations on how corrections might be organized and delivered, now and following the creation of two territories in 1999

Mr. Speaker, the Evans Report does not paint a rosy picture of crime and corrections in the Northwest Territories. In a realistic and straightforward fashion, the Evans Report chronicles the challenges of both the unacceptably high crime rate and how the corrections and community justice systems are coping with this situation. The Evans Report notes that the Northwest Territories has the highest rate of violent crime of all provinces and territories in Canada. This includes a rate of sexual assault which is eight times the national average. By a wide margin, the NWT has the highest incarceration rate in Canada.

The Evans Report notes that if the NWT population grows in the way it is expected to we can expect substantial increases in the number of young offenders admitted in the next ten years, especially in Nunavut.

The Evans Report concluded that the NWT faces a serious overcrowding problem, this is more than just a matter of too many prison inmates. Rather, it is a major challenge with respect to risk management, security, programming, planning, capital shortfall and resourcing issues. The Evans Report concluded, and I quote: "The correctional institutions in the NWT are at a crisis in their ability to deliver correctional programming to inmates.

This crisis is due in part to the current overcrowding, which has taken resources from programming to deal with the increased number of inmates." The Evans Report is both realistic and timely. I believe that we have to respond to the challenges presented by this report and action must be taken on the recommendations made. Mr Speaker, the time to take action is now.

To this end, as Minister of Justice I have, submitted a comprehensive plan for community justice and corrections I am pleased to announce to this House that the Financial Management Board has approved funding and will seek the necessary supplementary funding from this House to breathe life into the plan. I will be seeking the support from this House and indeed all MLAs for the implementation of this plan.

The comprehensive plan outlines a two-part approach to addressing the challenges outlined in the Evans Report. The plan focuses on community justice and corrections. As I noted in my Minister's statement concerning the Rankin Justice Retreat, it is imperative that all communities be involved in the justice system to a much greater degree than they are now.

Funding for more on the land camps will be increased so that all regions can provide offenders with traditional programming based on community values.

Expansion of wilderness camps is necessary to alleviate overcrowding in our institutions. Community justice committees play a vital role in the criminal justice system. These committees are made up of concerned community members. The department will be revising the funding formula to allocate additional funding for the hiring of coordinators, and for additional crime prevention activities such as on the land programs. The additional funds will also allow committees to enhance the honoraria of the justice committee members.

I propose to overhaul community corrections. The NWT is the only jurisdiction in Canada without a dedicated probation service in its communities. This service is currently being provided by social workers. They have enough to do already without this extra burden. A stand-alone probation service will allow social workers to concentrate on the needs of victims. This is only right.

Once an effective community corrections option is in place, it is likely that more community sentences will be used for offenders who now go into custody and there will be more after-jail support to help avoid more criminal behaviour. In the east and west, a minimum of 35 positions are required to operate community corrections in both jurisdictions. While the positions slated for the east must, at this stage, be in recommendation form, it is my hope and strong recommendation that the new government of Nunavut will look closely at this option, and follow through with it.

Mr. Speaker, I have not forgotten about victims of crime in this context. While we hope that all the initiatives targeted at reducing the re-offending rate of offenders will result in fewer victims of crime, victims of crime require special attention that the Evans Report was not mandated to comment on. To this end, I have asked my officials to continue working with the Department of Health and Social Services to rationalize their respective roles in order to maximize the delivery of victims services.

The plan calls for improvements to the Yellowknife Correctional Centre which are, Mr. Speaker, long overdue. Severe overcrowding in aging arid substandard facilities and the lack of offender programs do not prepare offenders for release. Mr. Speaker, we have to face the facts that the Yellowknife Correctional Centre is, to put it mildly, a substandard institution which requires upgrading. While the present building has a capacity of 132 inmates, it is consistently housing 200 inmates. What was to be program space is used to bunk inmates in virtually the entire building.

An expert recently interviewed on CBC Radio stated that good programming in correctional institutions can eliminate up to 50 percent of the recidivism. That is the rate at which offenders re-offend and continue to commit crimes after being released from jail. The comprehensive plan calls for adding modules to the existing YCC building with an eye to having the new construction allow for delivery of specific programs to target recidivism. It is also important that program space be provided for higher security inmates. This would allow more offenders to be kept in the north.

The Evans Report identified a need for the department to develop programs for varying types of offenders in our facilities and develop programs for each individual inmate. Mr. Speaker, I will be seeking funding for the development of a Corrections Rehabilitations Programs and Information Database so that the individual programming needs of inmates can be determined. Once needs have been assessed, aboriginal healing and pretreatment, family violence, sex offender and other programs will assist in the rehabilitation of inmates instead of simply warehousing them, which is, in reality, what we do today.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, this bold and timely response to the Evans Report has as its goal an integrated corrections system that provides appropriate community and facility programming. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 36-13(6): Report On Crime And Corrections In The Northwest Territories

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 37-13(6): Capital Projects/public, Private, Partnerships (p3)

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today, I would like to provide Members with an update on the Public Private Partnership or P3 projects that are underway to develop and construct health and social services facilities. For some time, a number of health and social services boards have been actively involved in the assessment and documentation of the health care needs of the people in their respective service areas in anticipation of major capital projects being initiated.

As Members know, on March 31, 1998, the Chairman of the Financial Management Board announced that 12 projects had been selected to pilot a new way of undertaking capital projects, the Public Private Partnership or P3 model. Five of those 12 projects are aimed at providing health and social services facilities. As Members are well aware, governments the world over are searching for new ways to live within their means while maintaining services for the public. Public Private Partnerships are a new way for governments to obtain and utilize infrastructure to meet the demands of their growing populations.

By partnering with the private sector, governments can better focus on the quality of their programs and services and put the responsibility for the infrastructure, whether it be a hospital or a student residence on the private partner.

The Government of the Northwest Territories has developed and is nurturing a strong commitment to the P3 process. Multi-sectoral committees and P3 implementation teams have been established to monitor all GNWT P3 projects. Workshops have been held in various communities to educate the potential stakeholders.

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Health and Social Services' five P3 projects include the following;

•two hospitals, one each in Iqaluit and Inuvik;

• two regional health complexes, one in the Keewatin and one in the Kitikmeot; and finally

•one health centre in Arviat.

Functional programs that outline the health care needs of people in the service area and describe a facility that meets these needs, have been completed for all five of the health and social service pilot projects.

Each of the functional programs envisions a better future by including telehealth and telemedicine as part of the infrastructure requirement. Two of the projects, the Inuvik hospital and the Arviat health centre, have finalized their functional programs with the department and are ready for ministerial approval. The functional program for the Kitikmeot regional health complex has received conditional approval. The remaining two projects, the Baffin hospital and the Keewatin regional health complex have functional programs still under review.

In four of the projects, some technical aspects of project development work are in progress. These include topographical survey, geo-technical report, legal and environmental assessment and furniture, fixture and equipment planning. In Arviat, this work is complete. Once the functional programs are approved, the responsible P3 implementation team will invite bidders to submit proposals for the next stage of work.

For the Inuvik hospital project, the P3 project team are preparing to issue a request for qualifications (RFQ) to parties interested in forming a P3 partnership to design, construct, own, operate and finance the facility. Once I approve the functional program for the Arviat health centre, the P3 implementation team will issue a request for proposal (RRP) for the design, build, operate and finance of the project. For the remaining three Nunavut projects, a request for proposal for the preliminary design work will be issued upon approval of their functional programs.

In May 1997, a proposal was forwarded by the three Nunavut birthright development corporations and the three eastern health and social services boards for the development of the health and social services facilities in Nunavut. The initiative was pursued with the GNWT throughout the summer and fall of 1997 and a memorandum of agreement was signed between the boards, development corporations, myself as Minister of Health and Social Services and the Minister of Finance .

Mr. Speaker, we believe that with the infrastructure provided by these five projects, both new territories will be better positioned to deliver much needed health and social services to their citizens. Leasing arrangements for all projects will have to be approved by the Government of the Northwest Territories' Financial Management Board. For the four Nunavut facilities, the critically important final approval for entering into long-term operating leases prior to March 31, 1999 is totally dependent on acceptance by the Nunavut Interim Commissioner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 37-13(6): Capital Projects/public, Private, Partnerships (p3)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The time for Ministers' statements is over. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 37-13(6): Capital Projects/public, Private, Partnerships (p3)

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to waive rule 34(6) so that all Ministers' statements filed with the Clerk can be delivered today.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Aivilik is seeking unanimous consent to waive rule 34(6). Do we have any nays?

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Some Hon. Members

Nay.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Sorry there is no unanimous consent. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 86-13(6): Overlap Of Responsibilities Within Nunavut Organizations

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to inform the House of the successful meeting of the Baffin Leaders Summit, held July 1998. I am very proud of the Baffin region organizations as they are able to work well with one another and with very little conflict. Hamlets and other groups and organizations in the Baffin including corporations and the Members of the Legislative Assembly, are also respectful of one another and must be commended for that.

However, we are seeing a trend where these representative bodies in Nunavut are covering the exact same items at every annual assembly. For example, all the bodies have one sort of social programs or another, perhaps this is due to a lack of communication amongst these bodies. I would strongly suggest that they follow certain channels to avoid overlapping on issues. Nunavut Tunngavik has delegated a committee to deal with certain issues. Issues dealing with social concerns and programs, healing, should be directed to that committee. Similarly the Baffin leaders should appoint a steering committee that would delegate certain issues of general concern.

Will we allow this situation to continue in the same way? Where can we make changes for improvement? If we can obtain some funding prior to April 1999, we would like to reassess the mandate of the Baffin leaders and see if they need to be assigned differently. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 86-13(6): Overlap Of Responsibilities Within Nunavut Organizations

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 87-13(6): Intention Not To Seek Re-election

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to make public what I told my wife at the beginning of my term of the 13th Assembly. To make sure she agrees, I talked to her over the phone last night and she agreed. Mr. Speaker, my colleagues and the public I will not be seeking re-election in the up coming elections. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 88-13(6): Western Governance Issues

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to continue to address the issues raised by the Premier and Minister Antoine yesterday in regard to western governance. There are just three key areas I would like to touch on quickly that require more discussion I believe and pose a lot of questions. The way I understand this process, it is a Constitutional Working Group and the whole constitutional process which will define eventually the role of the territorial government. The partnership approach and the parallel approach will be defined through negotiations with the aboriginal governments and relate specifically to regional and community governments.

These processes are linked Mr. Speaker, it is critical for the negotiators right now at the tables negotiating with the aboriginal governments to have a clear idea of what is on the table and what is not. That requires definition by the territorial government as to what constitutes a central public government, in terms of ability to raise revenue, taxation, setting of standards, ability to redistribute wealth so, in fact, there is no huge regional disparities. It is critical our negotiators have a clear mandate so that we can address these concerns and address the concerns raised by the aboriginal summit about the lack of clarity with the direction

provided to our negotiators.

On the issue of the partnership approach, discussed briefly in this House yesterday, it is a process that also requires definition. The way I understand that approach there is a potential for most municipal governments to disappear. That is a very serious step. In the community I represent, where we have the band, Metis nation, as well as the town council, I believe a central public government at the community level is also critical that represents all of the people. I am not sure what is meant by the government as we look at that very major step.

If it is a partnership approach, the way I read it we have gone back to a combined model that was initially proposed by the Constitutional Working Group. That gets to the issue of guaranteed representation and I recollect very clearly and painfully the response we got from the public on that particular issue.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, on the issue of the parallel approach, once again it is a definition, it is a label that needs significant definition. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 88-13(6): Western Governance Issues

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Thebacha is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Miltenberger , you have unanimous consent to conclude your statement.

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Member's Statement 88-13(6): Western Governance Issues

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, to conclude, the issue of the parallel governments or the parallel approach as well, has many questions that go with it. If I use the community that I represent as an example with the band, the Metis and the town, are we looking at three triplicated systems with health, social services and education. Is it affordable? Will the level of service be effected? I am not sure what that means, I am not sure our negotiators know what that means. It is a issue, this one and the other two I mentioned requires serious discussion by the people.

I hope that the government in fact, has its best people trying to address these questions because as we learned when we did the initial document from the Constitutional Working Group, if you put out a document that poses more questions than you have answers, it will go down faster than the Titanic. It would be unfortunate if something this important suffers the same fate because we have once again brought out too many generalities and not enough answers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 89-13(6): Inuvik Young Offenders Facility

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, before I start I would like to send greetings back to my wife and children.

--Applause

Mr. Speaker, today I rise to report on an information session which was held in Inuvik on October 22nd. This information session was put on for the public on an issue I have worked on since being elected with the Ministers, Mr. Ng and Mr. Arlooktoo . Mr. Speaker, the information was regarding the young offender's facility announced in June by Minister Goo Arlooktoo and the work that has been done to date. This facility will give a definite boost to the economy of Inuvik. Not only during the construction phase, but also with the long-term employment. Approximately 21 jobs will be created as a result of this facility being built in Inuvik.

Mr. Speaker, approximately 15 people attended the information session and had questions regarding location and operation of the facility. I was informed that the questions were answered and the people reassured that their opinions would be taken into consideration when the final site for the building is chosen. Mr. Speaker, as I stated earlier, this will bring much needed jobs to my community and just as importantly, it will allow us to deal with our problems closer to home. Families will be able to be more closely involved with the recovery of those who are placed in the facility. This I believe, is a positive example of community empowerment.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I must say I am pleased as punch that the young offender's facility will be built in Inuvik and that the Ministers have recognized that Inuvik is in need of infrastructure and new jobs to help keep us a viable part of this territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 90-13(6): Transfer Of Federal Positions To The North

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For some time now, I have been pursuing the issue of the transfer of federal jobs to the North. In June of 1997, I made a motion and it was supported and passed in this House, calling on the Premier to communicate with the Prime Minister to request a comprehensive listing of all federal civil service positions dedicated to NWT programming and/or policy development and that discussions also be undertaken with the appropriate federal Ministers to facilitate the relocation of federal positions to the north.

This past spring, the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development took up this request and assigned the consulting firm of KPMG to assess the potential transfer of program responsibilities to the North. The consultants report completed in July, states there is solid rationale in support of a transfer of federal positions. I want to complement the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs for pursuing this initiative and would urge that DIAND's next phase be conclusive in recommending the transfer of positions as soon as possible.

It is an encouraging development, but we also need to pursue other federal departments such as natural resources, Fisheries and Oceans and Heritage Canada et cetera. We need to persuade those departments to take action to transfer positions to the north. We can all benefit from this effort and we need to get on with it. Devolution of federal positions to the North provides an opportunity for improved services to Northerners.

We know that decision making and service delivery are most effective when carried out as close to home as possible. Decentralization would eliminate any overlap in work between federal offices here in the north and those stationed in Ottawa and elsewhere in the country. Finally and most importantly, devolution to the North would bring jobs to the North at a time when jobs are needed in all our communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 91-13(6): Rae-edzo Municipal Funding Issue

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As you heard earlier in the House that I pledged to resolve my communities' problems regarding the municipal funding issue. Today, I again would like to comment on this. Currently the Hamlet of Rae-Edzo is finalizing its position on the draft report received from the municipal funding review committee. I have been fortunate to get a copy of their draft response. Clearly, the Department of MACA has not listened to our arguments. One example I would like to use is that of the two separate communities, Rae and Edzo.

We have stated over and over that there is not the necessary funding in place to operate the two separate communities. Both communities have above ground pool programs, fire departments and maintain two fire stations, both communities have their own water and sewage systems, and must be maintained daily by staff who travel the 15 kilometre between each community. Everything in our community is duplicated. However, we do not get funded accordingly.

Currently there are at least five incorporated hamlets in the NWT that have less population than that of Edzo. All receive full funding, as any other municipality would get. Why is it then, that Edzo really receives no funding? Simply because it is united at the governments suggestion with Rae.

As stated many times previously, we are not asking for the world. We are only asking for what we feel is our fair share. This issue must be settled, we cannot delay this any longer. I hope the Minister will continue to press her staff to get this report completed and recognize the anomalies of Rae-Edzo corrected. Later today, I will be asking the Minister further questions on this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 92-13(6): Capital Project Construction In The Arviat Constituency

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, many times in the House we often criticize this government by giving

credit where credit is due. Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the government and also the Nunavut construction company for the many projects that are being carried out in my riding over the past number of months. Mr. Speaker, it has been stated by a number of business people that in Arviat, for example, this is probably the busiest year in ten years for construction. Mr. Speaker, this is certainly welcome news in the community where we have most of the time, between 75 and 80 percent of unemployment. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 93-13(6): Devolution Of Authority To Aboriginal Organizations

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement is in response to the Minister's statement yesterday regarding the agenda for change in the new Western Territory. Mr. Speaker, the statement deals a lot with aboriginal groups and aboriginal rights and processes that are already in place, but Mr. Speaker, it is my experience being involved in the Dene Metis claims process along with the Gwich'in and the Sahtu, is that the fundamental principle for these negotiations is for the aboriginal communities and aboriginal people to ensure that they have a place in society and take control of their lives and run programs and services on their behalf.

The same thing with claim settlements, the claims have been settled on the basis that there was going to be a land deal and an economic deal and resources so they can be independent in the future. What I see in this statement by the Premier is exactly what aboriginal people have been asking for, forever and a day. Mr. Speaker, there are times in this House where I find myself dealing with aboriginal issues to know that there is nothing that can by done by this government. It either has to be dealt with by the federal government through Indian Affairs or through Ottawa.

Mr. Speaker, every aspect of society and programs and services this government delivers are the exact programs and services that aboriginal people have been asking for to ensure that they have control and also have the right to deliver those programs and services themselves. It is when a chief calls myself, as a Member of this Legislature, with a problem that should be resolved through the Department of Social Services or Education where a member of a band goes to the chief and says I need money to go to school down south, I am not getting program dollars from the Department of Education in the Northwest Territories as a status Indian, what do I do?

I think it is those types of problems that the aboriginal people have been saying they need to be resolved. I think the first commitment this government should make to aboriginal people and aboriginal organizations in the Northwest Territories is exactly the principle that aboriginal institutions, band councils, Metis locals, tribal councils are recognized as an institution of government before we even move anywhere. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Mackenzie Delta is seeking

unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Krutko , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 93-13(6): Devolution Of Authority To Aboriginal Organizations

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. As I was stating, Mr. Speaker, there has to be a new way of dealing with government. What I see happening is we are developing more public institutions in light of existing institutions that were in place long before the Government of the Northwest Territories established the NWT Act, in which there are institutions that aboriginal people fully support and recognize in our communities. Band councils, Metis locals and tribal councils that presently exist.

Yet, somehow we cannot get ourselves to see the light at the end of the tunnel and realize those institutions are alive. They are recognized in the Indian Act, established through elections. They are also a recognized body by delivering programs and services from Ottawa. If Ottawa is able to carry these activities out, why is this government not in support of recognizing public institutions and band councils today? We have to somehow change the concept of looking at municipal councils as the only level of government in the Northwest Territories.

In order to get past that hurdle, we have to change the legislation to enact legislation to allow band councils, Metis locals, tribal councils, public institutions which are recognized as aboriginal institutions to be enacted in this House.

We talk about sharing our lands and resources and benefiting from those lands and resources. Those same lands and resources we are talking about as a government to get royalties, getting monies and getting revenues from the forestry products, minerals or whatnot from Ottawa, is the same item you are dealing with when you talk about land claims. There is a process that is in here called the Northern Accord process.

This government is obligated to sit down with the aboriginal organizations and negotiate, once and for all, how resources are going to be dealt with in the Northwest Territories and how aboriginal organizations and people will benefit from those resources. Since we have been elected, that has been one of the priorities of this government, yet today nothing has happened in that area.

When the Minister of Finance stands up and he says we have to go to Ottawa and get more control of our resources, he forgets there is a fundamental principle and process that has to be completed before we get to that stage. Unless we sit down with aboriginal people and treat them on the same basis as we treat any business person or business sector in this economy and that we have to treat them as equals, I believe in that. With that, Mr.

Speaker, I would like to have an opportunity to deal with this statement, either in committee of the whole or through another public process so that we can enlighten ourselves on exactly how we intend to complete those negotiations with the aboriginal organizations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 94-13(6): Decentralized Government Structures

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First I would like to state that it is my eldest son, Robert's, birthday today. I would like to wish him a happy birthday.

Mr. Speaker, I stand today to speak about decentralized government in Nunavut being developed. We can really see it because of the buildings that are being built to house the office for decentralization of some services from the departments. We were told that when we were having a meeting in July, at the Baffin Leader's Meeting, when the decentralization is in the process that it would help the local people from the communities. The buildings would be built to house the new services being transferred to the communities. Local people can acquire some jobs from the decentralization process.

In smaller communities, they have always been sidetracked by other communities that are in larger communities acquiring some contracts. I think it is possible to transfer some of the offices to even smaller communities. When we can discuss the possibility of transferring some of these offices to smaller communities, I think it is possible to open up some offices to smaller communities, departmental offices. I will be speaking to this later today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 95-13(6): Impact Of Water Subsidy Program Reductions

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the past two days, I have been bringing to the attention of this house medical problems being experienced in Tuktoyaktuk by the residents. Mr. Speaker, I would like to expand a little more on that and I take this opportunity to do so. Mr. Speaker, the community is experiencing major outbreaks of contagious diseases such as rashes on their arms and legs of school children. As well, the children are experiencing an outbreak of fever blisters in their mouths. As a result, this has served to put an extra workload on the two remaining nurses in Tuktoyaktuk. As well, Mr.

Speaker, we have confirmed a meningitis case in Tuktoyaktuk. Mr. Speaker, the hamlet council believes these outbreaks of these contagious diseases are directly related to the reduction of the water subsidy program administered by MACA. A reduction of 30 percent for the community of Tuktoyaktuk, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, over the last three years, the hamlet council has unsuccessfully lobbied MACA to have this subsidy increased for the community of Tuktoyaktuk. The hamlet council still cannot understand the logic behind the subsidy program, which allows a person in a large centre, such as Inuvik or Yellowknife the luxury of 190 litres of water per person per day, while small outlying communities are limited to 90 litres of water per person per day. Later on today, Mr. Speaker, I will be questioning the Minister of MACA on this particular item. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Member's Statement 96-13(6): Baffin Conference On The Sealing Industry

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My constituents of Coral Harbour, Chesterfield Inlet and Repulse Bay and all of Keewatin residents, I would just like to make an announcement. I had also talked about this last spring in Inuktitut on the radio. After I made a trip to China. I reported on all the issues we were dealing with over there. Just recently, there was a press release and announcement on sealskins being harvested in Baffin Island. I feel that this is a very important issue for all Nunavut region.

There will be a meeting in Iqaluit regarding this issue with the Chinese businessmen, so I just wanted to notify the people of their area. I think they would be very interested in this upcoming meeting in Iqaluit. I want the people of the Keewatin to be aware of this meeting. I am sure it will affect the people of the Keewatin region as well as Kitikmeot. I would like the people of Keewatin to try to check into this meeting, so they can attend some meetings if they are interested in the sealing industry.

People should make themselves involved with this very important initiative and I just wanted my constituents to be aware of this . Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 97-13(6): Upcoming Iqaluit Conferences

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak about two important conferences occurring in Iqaluit this week. One is dealing with suicide prevention measures and counselling training. This workshop builds on previous conferences with many people participating from across Nunavut. I would also like to take this opportunity to wish the conference organizers and participants much success with this important topic. The second conference has brought approximately 400 delegates from all across Nunavut, Nunavik and the south for a Bible related meeting.

Many Iqaluit residents have opened their homes to help billet the large gathering. I would like to take this opportunity to thank the residents who have helped house the approximately 400 people. I would also like to wish them well with their meeting. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 98-13(6): Clyde River Accumulated Debt

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to discuss Clyde River's accumulated debt. The community has been incurring a deficit since 1982. The debt currently stands at over $600,000. This debt is due to the hamlet delivering programs and services that are the responsibility of the territorial government. In many instances, where territorial staff or infrastructure was not available, the hamlet was

enlisted by the government to deliver those services.

As division fast approaches, the hamlet, myself and the future Nunavut government is concerned that this debt incurred by the current territorial government will remain unpaid. If this issue is not dealt with, it will be an issue that will be carried on past division. It is most likely that the hamlet, which has very limited resources of its own, or the new government will have to resolve this problem. Mr. Speaker, as the date for the formation of the two new territories becomes closer, this issue increases in magnitude. I strongly encourage the government to meet its financial responsibilities to the community of Clyde River prior to division. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 99-13(6): Sirius Diamond Cutting And Polishing Plant

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have often heard comments that government moves slowly. If you tend to be like myself, I have been accused of being impatient. It seems to me that it moves a little slower sometimes. Last September, Mr. Krutko from Resource Management, Mr. Ootes , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Dent and Mr.

Todd and myself took a trip to what is now recognized as the diamond capital of the world, Antwerp, and we also visited London to get ourselves an education on what benefits the Northwest Territories could muster and obtain out of the new diamond industry that was starting in the Northwest Territories. It was not long, Mr. Speaker, before we all realized there was a dream to be had there.

We had seen and heard from enough people that there were opportunities that could take place in the Northwest Territories by northerners, with some assistance, that we could be involved in a new industry that would start in the Northwest Territories. Today's announcement by Mr. Kakfwi is extremely good news for all the people of Canada, the Northwest Territories and, in particular, Yellowknife with the announcement that Sirius Diamonds will be setting up an operation here.

It speaks well for this government and for the Members who encouraged this government along to create and work on this initiative when there were so many nay sayers. We had come back from London and Antwerp and we had been told by DIAND officials, we had heard from the industry, we had heard from numerous experts, you cannot do that in the north. It is always done in Antwerp.

Mr. Speaker, I think today is a great day for the Northwest Territories and I would like to take this opportunity to welcome the president of Sirius Diamonds, Jim Ben-Oliel to the Northwest Territories and anticipate they will have much success here. In closing, Mr. Speaker, I would just suggest to Antwerp, move over, there is a new kid on the block. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 100-13(6): Opening Of The Ndilo Elementary School

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about the opening of a new school in the community of Ndilo. Mr. Speaker, on August 31st approximately 25 students began attending a community school in Ndilo. The classes are from kindergarten to grade three. The Yellowknives Dene First Nations have been working on this project for years and the foundation for the school is tradition and culture, with learning taking place in the context of their culture, heritage and language. To this end, a Yellowknife Teacher Education Program graduate teaches the Weledeh dialect language classes.

Along with the regular curriculum, the Yellowknives Dene plan to provide the students with opportunities to learn technological skills. This project is a partnership with the Yellowknife School District #1, which supplies supervisory services through a contract. As such, the teachers in Ndilo belong to the Yellowknife #1 bargaining unit. The school is staffed by experienced aboriginal teachers. I might add that they have quadrupled the number of aboriginal teachers in Yellowknife. The school is presently located in the Ndilo education centre with physical education classes held in the community recreation centre.

Mr. Speaker, this is the first step in the long-term goal of creating a new facility which house a kindergarten to grade 12 school.

I congratulate the community and the department on this project. I congratulate the community of Ndilo, first for recognizing the problem that students were largely dropping out because of the lack of culture based schooling. Secondly, for their perseverance for seeing this project through. Finally, Mr. Speaker, but not lastly, I congratulate the Minister and his department for listening and responding to the community needs. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 100-13(6): Opening Of The Ndilo Elementary School

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 193

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 193

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Mr. Henry has mentioned today, I would like to recognize Mr. Jim Ben-Oliel, who is the chairman of the board of Sirius Diamonds. With him is Pierre Alvarez, who is well-known to Members in this Legislature and is heading up Sirius Diamonds' northern office. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Page 193

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 193

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize two gentlemen in the audience, both of whom are waiting patiently to meet with me. Mr. Jerry Ell is our able President of Qikiqtaaluk Corporation. Qikiqtaaluk Corporation is the birthright corporation of which four of us Baffin MLAs belong to. He is also a very active member of the homeless

shelter society in Iqaluit. Along with him is my friend Mr. Alaine Carriere. A successful business man, former constituent, living in Iqaluit now, very active in the chamber of commerce and various important fronts in the formation of Nunavut. Thank you.

--Applause

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Page 194

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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Page 194

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great honour to recognize a colleague of mine who has been involved with the Porcupine Caribou issue and also a former member of the Yukon Legislature, Ms. Norma Kassi, who is also a member of the Gwich'in Land and Water Board. Welcome to the House Norma.

--Applause

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Page 194

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Thompson .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 194

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Jerry Ell, who is my cousin. I want people to understand that they will be holding a conference and an important meeting. I want people to know that they can talk to Jerry if they are interested. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Page 194

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Page 194

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a constituent of mine and a person who has worked extremely hard on ensuring that the diamond industry is developed here in Yellowknife, and that is Mayor Lovell who joins us today.

--Applause

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Page 194

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Steen .

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Page 194

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a well-known individual and resident of the hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk, the Mayor of Tuktoyaktuk, Mr. Eddie Dillon.

--Applause

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Page 194

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. O'Brien .

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Page 194

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I also would like to recognize a friend of mine, former co-worker and sometimes sparing partner in the days when I worked in Tuktoyaktuk in 1990, the Mayor of Tuktoyaktuk, Eddie Dillon.

--Applause

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Page 194

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly.

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 104-13(6): Quqshuun Ilihakvik School Maintenance

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 194

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I received a letter dated September 18, 1998, from the chair person of the Gjoa Haven education council and signed also by the principal of Quqshuun Ilihakvik School. Mr. Speaker, the community of Gjoa Haven is concerned about the bad fumes coming out of the boiler system in that school. I have brought this matter up a few years ago.

During the summer the school was shut down temporarily in the month of September alone, September 4th at 11:35 a.m.; September 10th at 11:42; September 10th at 1:00 p.m.; September 11th at 11:20 p.m.; September 14th at 9:14 a.m. and September 14th at 9:46 a.m. I think it deserves to get some serious attention from the Department of Public Works. I would like to ask the Premier of this government to direct his staff from Cambridge Bay regional office to once and for all find the cause of the bad fumes and deal with it as soon as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 194

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 194

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be pleased to bring that up with the Minister and ask him to look into the issue and see if it can be rectified as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 194

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Steen .

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Question 105-13(6): Water Problems In Tuktoyaktuk

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 194

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned in my Member's statement, the Hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk has had some serious problems accepting MACA's explanations for reductions in water and sewage subsidy. As a result of these reductions, the hamlet is experiencing some serious outbreaks of diseases which they believe is directly related to the availability of water and the amount of water. As I brought up in this House, Mr. Speaker almost two years ago, whereby people who were down to borrowing water and the housing association responded to that concern, but apparently the shortage of water is still there.

Right now the council has a problem and I have a problem in trying to understand the logic of why a person in a larger centre is allowed 190 litres of water to stay clean and the person in the small communities is only allowed 90. There is no logical explanation for that. It has been suggested one is water, running water system versus a trucked system, but that is no logical explanation. Rather than get into a large debate here with the Minister on it, I would just like to ask the Minister of MACA if she would commit to going to Tuktoyaktuk to address this situation with the council? Thank you.

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Question 105-13(6): Water Problems In Tuktoyaktuk

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know the reasoning behind the 190 litres for people on the utilidor and also 90 litres a day for each person with a trucked service. It may have to do with the size of the lake with the utilidor attached to it and the size of the tank on the truck. I am committed to go to Tuktoyaktuk in the very near future right after this session to deal with the issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Steen .

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Question 105-13(6): Water Problems In Tuktoyaktuk

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could I get a commitment from the Minister that she will be bringing some officials to help address the situation as well?

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Question 105-13(6): Water Problems In Tuktoyaktuk

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ms. Thompson .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I will be bringing staff over to deal with this.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 106-13(6): Keewatin Medical Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Minister could update this House as to the status of the services that are being offered by the northern medical centre in Manitoba to the Keewatin. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that an interim agreement between the northern medical unit and the Keewatin regional health and social services board has been reached and that agreement runs effective of September of this year until March 31, 1999. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell the House exactly what are these services and the length of the contracts involved.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister Ng . Two questions.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had indicated that the current interim agreement is from September of this year to March 31, 1999. Those services are for general practitioner services and for specialist services. At the same time, there are some ongoing negotiations that continue between the University of Manitoba, the GNWT and the Nunavut department of health along with the board in trying to reach a longer term contract of approximately three to five years. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Minister can update this House on the status of the senior positions that have been vacant for the last number of months with the Keewatin Health Board? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the position of executive director for the regional health and social services board has now been filled and an offer has been made. The individual is not on site yet so we continue to have an interim executive there from the department. It is also my understanding that some of the other senior positions within the regional health and social services board and in particular the director of corporate affairs, director of social programs, manager of human resources and the senior nursing officer positions have been filled to date. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 107-13(6): Economic Development Studies

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 195

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, over the last ten years there have been numerous reports on the economic strategy, there has been a special committee established to look at the northern economy, the economy in transit, the agenda for action, building and strengths, committee based approach and finally just last year there was some economic framework concluded. These are just some of the reports I can remember and have been able to find in the library. I am sure there is a lot more that has been presented to this House. Can the Minister of Finance explain

to this House what is the difference between last year's economic frame work and the economic strategy that Bailey and Associates are working on at the present time?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 196

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance . Mr. Todd .

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Page 196

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first of all let me clarify my honourable colleague it is this government that is doing the economic strategy and Mr. Bailey and Associates are the consultants we are using for one part of that study. The economic framework we outlined last year really was just explaining to northern peoples the impact of certain aspects of the economy.

What we are doing here, is trying to put a coordinated approach and to build the case for a new fiscal relationship with the federal government that will allow a new Western Territory to generate more revenues as it relates to the non-renewable resource envelope. It is a significant initiative, Mr. Speaker, that requires a certain amount of substantiation that Mr. Bailey is working on that requires a certain amount of work Mr. Dent is working on that requires the involvement of Mr. Kakfwi and Mr. Antoine in all aspects of this important initiative we are doing.

The difference here is that we are preparing the case for the discussion with our federal counterparts for renewed and different fiscal relationship with the federal government. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 196

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am concerned in regard to the economic strategy, especially other reports that have been filed in this House and concerning the Keewatin resupply and basically there was a rehashing of government reports that have been done by other departments. The economic strategy and reports that have been done within the last ten years, will this be a waste of tax payers money? Can the Minister assure this House that the economic strategy will contain specific recommendations on how to jump start the economy, especially in the riding I represent and the smaller ridings in the Northwest Territories?

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Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am confident as I said in this House on a number of occasions by questions asked by Mr. Ootes and Mrs Groenewegen, the strategy we are putting into place is both short and long-term. It is fundamentally necessary to do it. I am going to say again the long term revenue projections for the west flatten out into the year 2000. You simply have to find a new fiscal relationship with the federal government to ensure you are going to get the additional revenues necessary to deliver the

kinds of services and economic activity that your constituents expect. That is what this initiative is all about.

Perhaps I should have called it an investment north strategy. We just happen to use the word economic strategy. That is what we are endeavouring to do here. All aspects of the territory west and east will be covered in this initiative. Hopefully, it will be a blue print that both this government can proceed with into March 31st, that the western government can proceed with until October 31, 1999 and the new governments can see the benefit after that. I am telling you now as the Finance Minister , you simply need a new fiscal relationship.

You need to spend some time in determining where you are going to get new revenues. If you are going to maintain the level of services that our constituents have become accustom to. That to some extent is what the strategy is all about.

At the same time there is clearly a need to re-examine the programs we are currently doing. I think self re-examination is a good thing. The primary focus for me, as Finance Minister , is to prepare the case for the discussions that will be undertaken with our federal counterparts the need to get into the revenue window to continue to increase the levels of service our constituents have come to expect from us. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister gives us an indication as to what has been spent in the last ten years on these studies and reports that have come forward to this government? Can the Minister give us an actual break down on exactly how much money has been spent on economic strategies and initiatives by this government through committees or other reports that have been filed on the economy.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do recognize my honourable colleague's frustration as he has expressed it many times in this House. I do appreciate it and I am trying to explain to the best of my ability what we are trying to do here. I am sure there are all kinds of reports out there, the scone report, this report, that report, et cetera the previous governments have put forward. I do not see what we are doing here in that light. I see it as an over all initiative, to build the case for a new relationship with a federal government because you simply must have it.

You simply need to find a way in the long run to find new revenues to maintain and increase the level of services to your constituents. Thank is what this is all about. I do not have today the cost of previous governments' expenditures in economic strategies. I do not have that. I am sure the previous governments as other governments have done these kinds of things. What I am trying to do is to put together a blue print, a road to new revenues. To build the case, to defend and to discuss with Mr. Martin the Finance Minister and Ms.

Stewart the Minister of Indian Affairs the fundamental need for a new fiscal relationship with the territories so that we can get into the revenue window as they say and do something constructive about it.

If I may Mr. Speaker, I want to remind everybody 75 percent of the monies we spend come from the federal government. Seventy five percent, we need to find a way in which to be less dependent. That is what this is all about. Nothing more, nothing less. Now I cannot answer my colleague's question today about how much money has been spent by previous governments on previous economic strategies. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister give this House an actual break-down of the expenditures that have been spent to date by this government in regard to the economic strategies that have been concluded so that we know what the government has spent on previous studies so that we can have an idea exactly how much money it is costing us for all of these studies?

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The question has already been asked and answered. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 108-13(6): Components Of A Strong Central Government

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is addressed to the Premier and it is in regard to his statement yesterday. Could the Premier specifically outline some of the exclusive jurisdictions that are going to be within the purview of a strong central government to ensure that there is consistency of service and the glue that we talked about to help bind the new Western Territory together. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, like I said yesterday in the Legislative Assembly what the new vision for the Western Territory is for a strong central government and a government that works in partnership with aboriginal governments. Also, the Member is well aware we are presently at different negotiation tables and we are negotiating. We know for sure that we have to have a government that represents all people in the Northwest Territories in setting standards and enforcement, accounting

and making sure that citizens have the ability to move freely throughout the Northwest Territories. As well making sure that our citizens whether they are aboriginal or non-aboriginal all continue to enjoy the same level of services we have today.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, could the Premier indicate whether two very critical areas, that of taxation and the ability to redistribute wealth to ensure there is no have and have not regions are also going to be fundamental authorities that are critical to a strong central government? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member is absolutely correct. In order for northern residents to continue to enjoy the levels of services and programs we have today the central government has to be able to tax people and redistribute wealth. We cannot move ahead with blinders on. We have seen the experience of southern Canada. All you have to do to see what happens in southern Canada is walk into one reserve that has oil and one that does not. You will see clearly what the problem is with that system.

We believe strongly that there should be a strong central government that has the ability to redistribute wealth throughout the regions in the Northwest Territories and the communities, so all of our residents enjoy the same level of services we have today. That does not say that aboriginal governments do not have the right to tax as well. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regard to the partnership approach discussed by the Premier . Could the Premier indicate the type of consultation that is going to take place as we look at this very fundamental shift and approach with regional and community governments. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as we speak today our staff are working on a communication strategy and as well, as part of that strategy we believe that we should be out in basically the majority of the communities in

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, my final supplementary to the Premier is in regard to the issue of parallel approach and the islands possibly that the Premier referred to. The concern if you take the parallel approach to an extreme or to an extension down the road a fair ways, there is potential for a proliferation of governments and administrations and duplication and triplication of resources and services at a community level. Could the Premier briefly address the issue of affordability and level of service if that approach is contemplated? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, we have made it very clear that as we move ahead after April 1, 1999 in the new Western Territory, we want the same level of services. We also want want an affordable and workable government. That does not say that yesterday what we said in this House is that we recognize the inherent right of aboriginal people to govern themselves. In order for aboriginal people to express their inherent right, they have to have choices. They have to make those choices. If they choose to take a parallel system, that is completely up to them. That is their choice, their inherent right.

What we are saying is we prefer a partnership arrangement. Everybody should make their decision with the clear facts on the table. That is most important. The clear facts have to be on the table so their people fully understand what their leaders choose. We as well, if partnership is our choice, we have to go and talk to the people and say these are the reasons we think partnerships should work. Aboriginal governments, the MLAs, the leaders in the community all have the responsibility to put the facts on the table. One thing is very clear to me, Mr. Speaker.

Regardless which way the aboriginal governments choose to go, I want to see a clear path from the start to the end, and where we are going to end up, in the end. Thank you.

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