Debates of Dec. 11th, 1991

This is page numbers 49 - 72 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 1st Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministers' Statement 8-12(1): Economic Outlook, Mining And Oil And Gas

Ministers' Statement 9-12(1): Mine Safety Act

Ministers' Statement 10-12(1): General Direction Of NWT Housing Corporation

Ministers' Statement 11-12(1): Our Way Of Life

Funding For Church, Fort Providence

Process For Dealing With Business In The House

Work Of Volunteers

Mathias Awa

Plea Bargaining

Outbreak Of E-coli 0157, "hamburger Disease"

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Question O32-12(1): Site Of 1994 Arctic Winter Games

Question O33-12(1): Lake Harbour Airstrip

Question O34-12(1): Time Frame For Implementation Of Beatty Report

Question O35-12(1): Protection Of Northern Preference Policies

Question O36-12(1): Cabinet Working With Members

Question O37-12(1): Ordinary Mlas On Beatty Report Implementation Strategy Group

Question O38-12(1): Implementation Of Northern Preference Policies

Question O39-12(1): Medical Services For Metis And Non-status People

Question O40-12(1): Minister Of Youth

Question O41-12(1): Moneys Spent To Date On Expo '92

Question O42-12(1): Total Review Of Department Of Social Services

Question O43-12(1): Status Of School For Lake Harbour

Question O44-12(1): Escalating Costs In Legal Aid

Question O45-12(1): Scheduled Airline Services Rather Than Charters For Court Circuits

Question O46-12(1): Simultaneous Translation In The Courts

Question O47-12(1): NWT Participation At Expo '92

Question O48-12(1): Mlas' Contact With Workers' Compensation Board

Question O49-12(1): Moving Corrections Services To Department Of Justice

Question O50-12(1): Dismantling Of Western Constitutional Commission

Question O51-91(1): Update On Status Of Northern Accord

Question O52-12(1): Creation Of Inuit Cultural Institute In Baffin Region

Question O53-12(1): Review And Simplification Of Hap Eligibility Criteria

Question O54-12(1): Policy On Travel Arrangements For Students

Question O55-12(1): Guaranteed Representation For Elders On Hamlet Councils

Question O56-12(1): Transferring Money Through Northern Stores

Question O57-12(1): Cost-saving Guidelines For Departments

Question O58-12(1): Re-use Of Inventory By Departments

Question O59-12(1): Establishment Of Trust Companies Or Credit Unions

Question O60-12(1): Difficulties In Joining Yellowknife Co-operative

Question O61-12(1): Winter Roads In Keewatin Region

Question O62-12(1): Custom Adoption

Question O63-12(1): Communities Governed By Chiefs And Band Councils Being Penalized

Question O64-12(1): Services Provided To Communities Governed By Chiefs And Band Councils

Question O65-12(1): Legislation Re Establishment Of Northern Brewery

Question O66-12(1): Renewable Resources Funding Allocations

Question W2-12(1): Renewable Resources Funding To Communities

Question W3-12(1): Funding To Native Women's Organizations

Question W4-12(1): Review Of Funding To Women's Organizations

Question W5-12(1): Funding To Native Women's Association

Item 9: Petitions

Item 11: Tabling Of Documents

Notice Of Motion 26-12(1): Contribution To NWT Council For Disabled Persons

Notice Of Motion 27-12(1): Strategy Committee For Implementation Of Recommendations Of "strength At Two Levels"

Notice Of Motion 28-12(1): Custom Adoption

Notice Of Motion 29-12(1): Adoption Of Statute Roll, Third Volume

Notice Of Motion 30-12(1): Small School For Settlement Of Kakisa

Notice Of Motion 31-12(1): Change In Voting Age For Elections In Nwt

Notice Of Motion 32-12(1): Adult Education Centre, Hay River Reserve

Construction Of Community Centre For Kakisa

Access To Information Act

Item 15: First Reading Of Bills

Item 17: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 18: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Question W6-12(1): Age Requirement For Old Age Pensions

Item 20: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Mr. Bernhardt , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. John Ningark , Hon. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 49

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Orders of the day for Wednesday, December 11, 1991. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Madam Government Leader .

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Ministers' Statement 8-12(1): Economic Outlook, Mining And Oil And Gas

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 49

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, as Minister responsible for Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources , I would like to tell Members about some recent developments that give us reason to be encouraged about the future potential of our economy.

Despite the economic downturn that is hurting all regions of Canada, there are a number of positive developments happening in the non-renewable resource sector of the Northwest Territories. There are, for instance, a few very promising mineral properties. Some of them continue to be explored and may be approaching the development stage.

The operators of the George Lake Gold Property, after almost 10 years of regional prospecting, detailed exploration, intensive diamond drilling and $25 million of investment, have been encouraged by the results. The operators expect, in the near future, to decide whether or not to increase their investment in the North by funding a costly underground exploration program, and that program should tell them whether they do or they do not have an economic mineral deposit.

Other gold properties in the Northwest Territories that have warranted continued exploration include the Nicholas Lake deposit north of Yellowknife and the Crown-Ulu deposit north of Lupin Mine. Both are being drilled intensively in hopes of justifying the next stage of evaluation, an underground exploration program. At Meliadine River, north of Rankin Inlet, a more recent and less well advanced gold exploration target is rated very highly.

Mr. Speaker, 75 per cent of the value of mineral shipments from the Northwest Territories are zinc and lead. A series of these base metal deposits have been discovered over the years. The best known is the Izok Lake zinc, lead, copper, silver deposit located 250 kilometres south of the Coronation Gulf. Transportation, or more correctly the lack of transportation facilities, is the critical factor as to why very little work has been done on these particular properties. If the transportation hurdle can be overcome, then the prospects for a new zinc-lead mine will increase significantly.

As most of you probably know, local, national and international press has picked up on the announcement that diamonds have been discovered in the Northwest Territories. The announcement that the first drill hole yielded 81 diamonds, some of them gem quality, must be viewed as very encouraging. Even before the announcement, word of the

diamond discovery had spread, and there has been a tremendous surge in staking of mineral claims.

Recent scientific research on diamonds, how they are formed and how they are found, suggests that the Northwest Territories should be considered a good place to explore for them. We must realize, however, that it will take a lot of time and money to determine the true significance of this diamond discovery.

Mr. Speaker, in the oil and gas sector, I am pleased to inform Members of the results of a recent call for bids for exploration rights in the Mackenzie Delta and Beaufort Sea areas. Shell Canada, the successful bidder on three land parcels in the Mackenzie Delta, has promised a work commitment totalling in excess of $53 million on lands in the Delta surrounding their Unipkat discovery. This is very welcome news to a region that has seen a very severe economic downturn over the past several years. The bids are encouraging because they come at a low period for the oil and gas industry.

They provide a signal that the major players in the industry recognize the exploration potential of the Delta area.

Mr. Speaker, other planned oil and gas activities include Esso Resources' three million dollars seismic program this winter. Three boreholes will also be drilled this winter in the Delta for research purposes. This work will be done jointly by the Geological Survey of Canada, Shell and Esso. Esso Resources will also be continuing with delineation drilling at Norman Wells this winter.

In the Sahtu Region, the Chevron Fort Good Hope block has, unfortunately, been relinquished. This has resulted in a very significant loss to the region, and to Fort Good Hope in particular. The lack of exploration success does not, however, mean that there is a lack of potential in this region.

The Mackenzie Great Bear Development Impact Zone Society is working with the Department of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources on the development of an oil and gas rights issuance proposal in the Sahtu region. Through the issuance of new exploration rights, we hope to replace some of the opportunities that have been lost as a result of the shutdown of the Chevron-Fort Good Hope venture.

Meanwhile, the Norman Wells project is pumping oil at the rate of 30,000 barrels a day and is now earning the federal government revenues in excess of $55 million per year. The fiscal and financial benefits for the Northwest Territories from this project are minimal. With the successful completion of the Northern Accord, however, a portion of these revenues should accrue to the Government of the Northwest Territories.

There will also be other opportunities for the generation of fiscal and economic benefits that we will be able to realize through the sound management of our oil and gas resources once the accord has been signed and implemented.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, we can certainly be encouraged by these developments in the mining, oil and gas sectors, despite low prices, industry lay-offs, and regulatory uncertainties. The challenge now is to seize these opportunities to ensure maximum benefits for Northerners and minimal impact on the environment. Thank you.

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Ministers' Statement 8-12(1): Economic Outlook, Mining And Oil And Gas

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 50

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Ms. Cournoyea . Ministers' statements. Mr. Patterson .

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Ministers' Statement 9-12(1): Mine Safety Act

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 50

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the past week I have toured an underground mining operation and have spoken with labour leaders and mine management to hear their views and to let them know that the occupational health and safety of miners is an extremely important issue to our government.

As a result of concerns in this area, I am announcing today that the government has concluded that the proposed new mine safety bill tabled in the previous House will not go forward in its present form and that a new consultative process will be undertaken. The government still wants to have initial comments on the draft bill and regulations. Many interested parties have already given a great deal of thought to the tabled document, and we do not want their efforts to be lost.

Mr. Speaker, the new consultative process will take place under the auspices of a mine safety bill committee that will have an independent chairman who is knowledgeable in mining, two representatives from industry, and one representative each from unionized and non-unionized labour. We expect this committee to begin its work in January.

Good health and safety legislation must satisfy three requirements. It must be acceptable to workers; it must be achievable by management; and it must be enforceable by the regulators. To allow those directly affected by the legislation to participate in its formation will create a better climate for its administration and its effectiveness. I believe the establishment of this committee will meet these requirements. Work of the committee will hopefully lead to a new Mine Safety Act for introduction at the Assembly's fall session in 1992 or, at the latest, during its budget session in 1993.

Mr. Speaker, I also wish to announce that interim amendments to the existing Mining Safety Act will be introduced at the 1992 budget session. These amendments, in part, flow from the coroner's inquest into the death of a miner in Yellowknife last year.

In conclusion, I am looking forward to working with labour and industry to develop effective new legislation to present to this House which will meet everyone's desire for a safe, healthy and productive workplace. Thank you.

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Ministers' Statement 9-12(1): Mine Safety Act

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 50

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Patterson . Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Ministers' Statement 10-12(1): General Direction Of NWT Housing Corporation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 50

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the government is very aware of the importance of proper housing in the Northwest Territories. Our severe climate makes it essential that everyone have an adequate place to live. Inadequate housing is often a contributing factor in poor health, failure of children at school, family violence and problems on the job.

As Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, I am fully committed to continuing and expanding the efforts of our government to meet the North's housing needs.

The government is strongly committed to encouraging home-ownership to foster pride and personal responsibility for the operation and maintenance of housing and reduce the dependency on government associated with public rental housing.

The HAP, home-ownership assistance program, has been positively received by most northern residents. There are, however, many residents who do not qualify because their incomes are either above or below the current income criteria. The government is committed to exploring ways and means to expand eligibility for HAP housing and to develop new programs if necessary to address the needs of those not covered by existing policies and programs.

As new housing must continue to be provided in every community of the NWT for many years to come, there are excellent business, employment and training opportunities available to our residents. To provide these opportunities will require close coordination and cooperation between the NWT Housing Corporation and the various government departments. The government is committed to having the construction and maintenance of housing carried out in a manner which maximizes employment and job creation opportunities for the local residents of every community.

Mr. Speaker, the government is totally committed to make northern community government, in the broadest sense, a reality. The people at the community level must assume greater responsibility and accountability for meeting housing needs. Decision-making must be at the local level if communities are to control their own destiny. Communities, too, must be allowed to establish priorities among the various services and programs which they are responsible for.

Mr. Speaker, I believe the support and strengthening of community government, the government closest to the people being served, must be given the highest priority. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers' Statement 10-12(1): General Direction Of NWT Housing Corporation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 50

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Ministers' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Ministers' Statement 11-12(1): Our Way Of Life

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 50

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Mr. Speaker, the culture and lifestyles of many people in the Northwest Territories are based on hunting, trapping and fishing. These activities are healthy occupations, both mentally and physically.

As the Minister of Renewable Resources one of my priorities will be to educate people throughout the world about the way we live. This needs to be done because traditional lifestyles continue to be threatened by the activities of the anti-hunting and anti-trapping lobbies who use written materials and television to promote their cause.

Mr. Speaker, our ways of trapping and hunting do not hurt the environment. The land, water, fish and wildlife have always provided food and clothing. Our survival as a people depends upon their survival. We must send this message to the rest of the world. Because of this, we will be working on a new strategy to promote the trapping and use of furs, both here in the Territories and elsewhere. In addition, we will take our message to the United Nations Conference on the Environment and Development to be held next June in Brazil. There will be people there from all countries of the world.

In the NWT we will be broadcasting television spots that profile and promote individual trappers and their lifestyle. We are also working with the schools to help our children learn about our ways and our environment.

Mr. Speaker, Members of the Legislative Assembly have emphasized over the years that we must continue to protect the rights of our people to harvest our renewable resources. I agree. All of us care deeply about our great land, and over the term of this government we will be working hard to help ensure that the hunters and trappers in the Northwest Territories will be able to continue their traditional pursuits. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Ministers' Statement 11-12(1): Our Way Of Life

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 51

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .

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Funding For Church, Fort Providence

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 51

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Later this week Members of this Assembly will return home to spend the holiday session with their families, friends and community people. All across the Northwest Territories people will be enjoying Christmas services in their community churches. In Fort Providence, however, the church will be empty for the third Christmas, despite a resolution and promise from this government last July that the church would be renovated.

Mr. Speaker, I was shocked to learn that the expenditure of $25,000 for capital renovations to the church has been cancelled. My heart goes out to the people of my community, especially the elders who have been dreaming of the day when they would once again worship in the church where they were taught Christian ways by their parents and grandparents.

How does the government expect to retain any credibility with the communities when projects such as this are frozen by bureaucrats in Yellowknife due to a financial crisis that surfaced overnight? I attended the standing committee on finance meeting as recently as September, and there was no mention of any financial crisis. The people of my constituency want to know how the Government of the NWT got into so much financial trouble so quickly without any warning. A $65 million deficit does not just happen overnight, and voters want to know if these financial problems were hidden from them and us until after the election.

I would like to close, Mr. Speaker, by stating that the life of an MLA is difficult enough due to prolonged absence from our families and the communities and keeps us from the traditional activities which some of us love. We do not need the additional burden of having our hard work and commitment to the interests of our people dismissed with the stroke of a pen by corporate-style government.

The elders of my constituency relied upon me to do the work on their behalf; to achieve the aspirations of their communities. I will work hard on their behalf to convince other Members of the need for these renovations. I guess that is why I am particularly hurt, Mr. Speaker, by the fact that the Minister of Culture and Communications does not realize or care about the effects of his decision. Thank you.

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Funding For Church, Fort Providence

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 51

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Gargan . Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Process For Dealing With Business In The House

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 51

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

(Translation) Thank you. I am going to be speaking in my language. Since the beginning of this session of the Legislative Assembly I have sat back and listened. I have been a chief for a long time and have attended meetings for over 10 years. Every time I go to a meeting, there is one thing that is always talked about. When we talk about something, we finish talking about it and then we make resolutions on it.

When we talk about things in this House here, it seems like things are going in all different directions. I do not feel it is going right for me. I am just telling you what I think. (Translation ends)

I have been here since being elected as an MLA, and I am concerned about the way business is conducted in the House. We say we want to make the Legislative Assembly as northern as possible, yet we follow parliamentary procedure and the orders of the day. I find it very confusing, because all these years as a chief and going to different meetings, we have an agenda and we deal with the agenda; we make an agreement and move on. But what I find here is that we are going all over the place. Only at certain times can you ask a question, and only at certain times can you speak.

If we are going to make it a truly northern-type of meeting it should reflect how meetings are conducted in the communities. This is rather foreign to me, and I am saying this because I have a certain amount of frustration in how things are being done in here.

(Translation) What I am saying is that at the rules committee meetings we should talk about this and change them a bit. Thank you.

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Process For Dealing With Business In The House

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 51

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Work Of Volunteers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 51

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to talk about the public service. I worked in the public service for many, many years and one gets a little bit tired of hearing all this criticism of people who have dedicated their lives to being of use to the public.

Today, Mr. Speaker, I would like to point out that much of the voluntary work done throughout the Territories, worth millions and millions of dollars out of peoples' pockets and their time, is done by people who really believe they want to serve their community. However, it is very rare that I get up and try to retain a serious note all the way through, because people get a little bit down and become critical of those people who are always critical of those individuals who believe that in their lives they can do something useful with their time.

I would like to point out, Mr. Speaker, that there are many people in this community and throughout the communities in the Northwest Territories who do give up their time without payment so that they can be useful citizens. At 6:00 p.m. tonight there will be a turkey bingo at the Elks for the NWT Council for Disabled Persons. There are many people who are out of town, and the Council for Disabled Persons, in fact, serves a territorial function as an advocacy group for those people throughout the Territories who throughout their lives live with some degree of misfortune.

It is because of the work of many volunteers that do this work that those people get the support and assistance that they have come to expect over the many years. Many Yellowknife people give up their time so that this kind of service can be provided, not only for the people in Yellowknife, but for people throughout the Northwest Territories. However, in the flyer that went throughout the city over the last few days there was a mistake. The bingo is not a $35,000 bingo; it is a $3500 bingo. It begins at 6:00 p.m., with the doors opening at this time, and the bingo starts at 7:00 p.m.

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Work Of Volunteers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 52

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Lewis . Members' statements. Mr. Arvaluk .

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Mathias Awa

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I start my statement, I would like to congratulate Mr. John Ningeongan of Coral Harbour on his successful election as mayor. I am looking forward to working with him during his term of office.

Mr. Speaker, I am happy to be able to say a little bit about my father, Mathias Awa, who is here today. Awa was born and raised in my constituency near Repulse Bay. His father, Uyarak, and his grandfather, Awa, were guides and companions of Knut Rasmussen on his Fifth Thule expedition. Mr. Rasmussen talks a great deal about his reports. When Awa grew up and got married, he worked hard on his trapline and managed to buy his furs while whaling at Arctic Bay. He and his wife carried them by dog team over the land to Igloolik in the summertime, in June.

When he came to the fishing lake, he rafted the boat down the river, hauled it up and walked all the way back to pick up his wife and dog team. Perhaps, Mr. Speaker, we should start a new movie, "An Incredible Journey."

Awa's children are now well on their own. A couple of them you may well know: Simon Awa is an Inuktitut production manager with the CBC; Joanna Awa is with TV Aqsarniit as a former colleague of George Tuccaro, Paul Andrew and Marie Wilson.

My statement is not to tell you about how well we did, but rather to tell you that as a father, Awa worked very hard with his children and helped them in achieving what they can do best, and he has been a member of the local education council as long as his younger children can remember. He is now 70 and is still working.

Mr. Speaker, my message is, let us all work with our constituents and urge parents to work with their children to stay in school and make the most of their abilities. We have been criticizing the Department of Education and school staff for lack of achievement by our children. The parents must take more responsibility in encouraging and supporting their children to work and stay in school.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, let us tell our children that, whatever career they choose, they must work to be the very best they can be. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Mathias Awa

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Arvaluk . Members' statements. Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Plea Bargaining

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I want to address an issue of concern with respect to the justice system. The concern I would like to speak about is what the courts sometimes call plea bargaining. I would like to give an example of the outcome of a plea bargaining issue addressed by the Crown prosecutors.

Last summer, Mr. Speaker, my house was broken into here in Yellowknife and two gentlemen were charged. The first fellow was given probation for one year even though the RCMP had his fingerprints on the window. The second fellow, Michael Pritchard, was charged with break and enter and possession of stolen property. There was well over $8000 of personal property stolen. The Crown wanted to avoid a trial and avoid convicting him, therefore, the Crown prosecutors made the deal.

One of the young gentlemen got one day in jail, was fined $575 and had to pay a $55 victim of crime charge due to the deal that the Crown prosecutors made. If he had been allowed to go through the courts by being convicted, he would probably have had to pay restitution or possibly even be given a probation order.

Mr. Speaker, I am concerned about plea bargaining. I am concerned about this happening to someone else. I appreciate the efforts that were made by the RCMP, Constable Thalhofer in particular.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to advise the current Minister of Justice to address the issue with respect to the plea bargaining being done in our justice system. In my opinion, plea bargaining and making deals before going through the court system is definitely an injustice to the justice system. Thank you.

---Applause

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Plea Bargaining

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Outbreak Of E-coli 0157, "hamburger Disease"

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there was a very serious epidemic in Arviat this summer. There were many people who were quarantined for many weeks at a time. The school was closed for the primary students for a number of weeks. All this was caused by a disease called E-coli 0157. The scientists or doctors who were doing the research were not able to determine the cause of this disease. They indicated that it was probably caused by the diet in the country foods they ate, and in the way they preserved this food. However, the people of Arviat have said, and still maintain, that it was caused by the water supply in the community.

Mr. Speaker, to this day the water supply in Arviat comes from a still pond. In making this statement, I would like to make the Minister responsible for Public Works as well as the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs aware of this problem in Arviat. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Arngna'naaq . Members' statements. I would like to take this opportunity to recognize Mr. Gary Bohnet, President of the Metis Nation.

---Applause

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a reply to an oral question that was asked by Brian Lewis , the MLA for Yellowknife Centre, on December 9, 1991. Mr. Speaker, as we all know, our colleague Don Morin is a person who likes to tackle problems head on. He certainly took that approach as an ordinary MLA, and I do not expect him to do otherwise as a Minister of our government.

When Mr. Morin wrote to the Director General of Indian and Northern Affairs on behalf of the community of Fort Resolution, he signed the letter as the MLA for Tu Nedhe. In speaking with Mr. Morin , he now recognizes the awkward position cabinet Ministers sometimes find themselves in when they are asked to forcefully represent the interests of their constituents. He understands that it is not a government policy or cabinet practice for Ministers to request the resignation of public servants who, as Mr. Lewis stated, were simply doing their job.

As a result, Mr. Morin is now pursuing this issue through the proper channels. He has also assured me that if he has any more problems with the decisions of public servants, that he will discuss them with the appropriate federal Minister. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a return to a question asked by Mr. Zoe on December 9, 1991, on the delivery of heavy equipment into Snare Lake by the Department of Public Works. This year the Department of Public Works has purchased a chemical fire truck, a front -end loader and a Honda ATV for Snare Lake. When the equipment was ordered, it was expected that a short access road would be constructed off the Neptune Resources, Colomac Mine winter road. This was the approach taken two years ago when the new power plant and three HAP houses were delivered to Snare Lake. The road construction and freight haul were done by a private contractor.

With the closure of the Colomac Mine, a much longer winter access road must now be constructed and options are being reviewed. The Department of Transportation is co-ordinating the review of the options for the winter freight haul and a decision is expected by the end of this month. That road normally goes in in January. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O32-12(1): Site Of 1994 Arctic Winter Games

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 53

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister responsible for sport and recreation. I have a newspaper clipping of September 23 with regard to Lesser Slave Lake, Alberta being chosen as the site for the 1994 Arctic Winter Games. I would like to ask the Minister why, for the first time, these games will be held South of 60.

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This will not be the first time the Arctic Winter Games are held South of 60. When Quebec was participating in the Arctic Winter Games, they were held some years ago in Shefferville, Quebec.

Mr. Speaker, I should first explain that the decision about the location of the Arctic Winter Games site is not actually made by the government -- perhaps the Member already knows that. In fact, the Arctic Winter Games are run by a corporation which is funded only in part by the government, and it is the corporation which runs the games and decides on the location. Having said that, Mr.

Speaker, I understand that because we now have participation from Alberta in the Arctic Winter Games, from Northern Alberta, and because the sites for Arctic Winter Games do rotate from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, it is Alberta's turn to host the Arctic Winter Games after the forthcoming Arctic Winter Games this coming March in Whitehorse. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Patterson . Oral questions. Mr. Gargan , supplementary question.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, back when Quebec was involved with the Arctic Winter Games, that was also selected as one of the sites. In what year did Alberta start participating in the Arctic Winter Games? I was not even aware there were people from Alberta participating.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Patterson , Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, the Alberta contingent was involved in the Arctic Winter Games when it was held in Yellowknife in 1990. I believe that may have been the first time, I am not exactly sure.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Gargan , supplementary.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, is it normal practice for the corporation to actually choose a site after only one year of participation? I find it quite unfair that they would be prime candidates for the 1994 Arctic Winter Games.

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Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I am looking forward to giving honourable Members a full briefing about the significant preparations that are already under way by this small, but very enthusiastic, aboriginal community in Northern Alberta. I guess I am asking to take the question on notice. I do not know the precise answer to the Member's question, but I will get back with an answer to his question and also other information about the 1994 Arctic Winter Games and how the site came to be selected. But I understand that the community is already undertaking preparations to make sure the games are a success.

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Michael Ballantyne

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question O33-12(1): Lake Harbour Airstrip

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 54

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Transportation in regard to the airstrip in our community. There has been a concern for many years in our community. It is not just because it is too short, but it is also not on even ground and it is dangerous. There have been concerns about the danger of this airstrip. We have been asking for improvements to be made to our airstrip before a major accident occurs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Transportation , Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) I would like to take the question as notice.

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Question O33-12(1): Lake Harbour Airstrip

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The question has been taken as notice. I would like to recognize Mr. John Hill, chairman of the Public Utilities Board.

---Applause

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Question O34-12(1): Time Frame For Implementation Of Beatty Report

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 54

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Government Leader . At the ordinary Members caucus we discussed concerns in regard to the Beatty report, as we have been doing in the House. There has been some indication in respect to a strategy being formulated for implementation of the Beatty report. I would like to ask the Government Leader if she would be able to give us a specific time frame as to when we would be able to know exactly what the strategy is and when the implementation is going to take place.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Government Leader , Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker. I have not put it through cabinet at this time but as soon as I pass it through cabinet I will be willing to proceed immediately to have all Members have a copy of our strategy and our general implementation plan.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

If I could now recognize in the gallery the mayor-elect for Rae-Edzo, Dan Marion.

---Applause

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

I would like to ask the Government Leader when she plans to bring this forward to cabinet and when would she be able to advise Members of this House as to the time frame we are looking at.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Madam Government Leader .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, as I said, we are working on it presently. I am not quite finished with the plan and the framework, but it is almost complete and this morning I did not have enough time to see where we were. I was hopeful it would be in the next few days. So it is just that we have not got all our paperwork together. There is a plan to have a cabinet meeting on Monday, depending on whether we are sitting or not; we have to work around the schedule. So it is really a matter of a number of days before I can do that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell , another supplementary.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am trying to basically tie down a time frame as to when we can be looking at this. I would like to ask the Government Leader , in the event that the House does decide to continue sitting into next week, will she be able to give us a specific time frame next week.

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, if I can get it set and finished by this weekend, it will be this weekend; if I get it finished by Thursday night -- it will be just as soon as I get it completed. We are in meetings from about 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. each day and it is difficult to sit down and organize cabinet meetings or finalize our work plan. So as soon as it is available. If I can get it done by Monday, it will be available. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Todd .

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Question O35-12(1): Protection Of Northern Preference Policies

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

My question is to the Minister of Finance . I understand and appreciate that the Minister of Finance cannot attend the conference of financial Ministers of Canada that is now occurring, because of the pressing needs of this House. I am sure that one of the items for discussion at this conference will be the economic proposals contained in the federal government's constitutional package. Such a policy could adversely affect northern preference polices such as the business incentive policy.

Will the Minister state categorically that he will fight these economic proposals on behalf of the government so that this government cannot only protect the northern preference policies we currently have, but implement even stronger policies?

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Finance Minister , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Yes, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Mr. Antoine

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Question O36-12(1): Cabinet Working With Members

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Government Leader . If there is somebody working for us and they do not like it -- I was in Trout Lake and Nahanni Butte recently; I was all over these communities. They told me a lot of things. Maybe we could work things out and make it better.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea , Government Leader .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, really that is what the Ministers are here for, but one of the ideas that I would like to see -- I know people disperse and go back into their communities, but I would be willing to personally meet with each of the Members before they go and ask them to outline the specific needs and requirements so that we can at least put them in the overall planning of where we are going.

As well, if we delay the budget a bit, to work it into the whole relationship between the cabinet Ministers, the overall planning, the standing committee on finance -- I realize that when people are new oftentimes you feel that you are lost in the whole process. I would be willing to do that before you go home, even if it has to be over this weekend, just to try to get your requirements into the general discussion and then when we come back again it can go in the process again with the standing committee on legislation. Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, a supplementary. I would like to ask the Government Leader if and when the Ministers will be planning to travel into the communities. Mahsi.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, we have not set an agenda at this point in time. A lot of our planning goes around when the meetings are happening in the Legislature and when the standing committee on finance is going to hold their meetings because many of us are involved. I know a lot of us are interested in getting those dates set for community travel, so as soon as many of the outside meetings that we are compelled to be at are set, then we can work in the community visits.

If the honourable Member is interested in any specific Ministers travelling to his constituency because of particular needs, I would suggest you approach the individual Minister to express that concern and perhaps work out a

schedule when it is appropriate for yourselves. Thank you.

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Question O37-12(1): Ordinary Mlas On Beatty Report Implementation Strategy Group

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Government Leader . I appreciate that we have been given a commitment to get the timetable for an implementation strategy in the near future. I think there is some concern on this side of the House, Mr.

Speaker, that because of the impending break over the Christmas holidays and the apparent desire of the government to move fairly quickly with some of the recommendations from the Beatty report, I wonder if the Government Leader will agree today, that to facilitate the concerns of ordinary Members being addressed during the period the House is not in session, to commit to having three or four ordinary Members being made members of the overall implementation strategy group.

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea , Government Leader .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I will take that as notice. I will see what I can do and come back to the Member tomorrow. Thank you.

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Question O38-12(1): Implementation Of Northern Preference Policies

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Government Leader . Given that the Minister of Finance has agreed that he will support strongly the northern preference policies, my question to the Government Leader is this, Mr. Speaker: We have heard much in the last three or four days regarding the implementation and recommendations of the Beatty report. What we have not heard are the economic effects of the recommendations on northern business. In reality, the size of the pie for northern business is getting smaller.

As an economic component of the Beatty report, and to ensure that northern business gets more of less, would the Government Leader commit this government to implementing both a "buy North only" policy and a "tender North only" policy, before the end of the fiscal year?

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea , Government Leader .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I think we attempted to get that initiative ahead a couple of years ago. Certainly I can say that I have a commitment to do that. We will try to get that process in place. I do not know if I can meet your deadline by the end of the fiscal year, but we will commit ourselves to try to reach that objective. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would, therefore, the Government Leader also, in consideration of this, consolidate the development of these policies under one Minister, possibly the Minister of Finance , so that the co-ordination of these policies could be handled more efficiently?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I will commit to look at that and try to achieve that goal through the implementation committee. Thank you.

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Question O39-12(1): Medical Services For Metis And Non-status People

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In October 1990 this Assembly accepted a motion that the Minister of Health make renewed attempts to find solutions to provide medical services to the Metis people of the Northwest Territories on the same basis as those provided the status Dene and Inuit under the Indian Health Policy. In February 1991 the then Minister of Health verified her support for improved Metis health benefits. My question is for the Government Leader . What is the status for securing funds to provide continuing medical services to

the Metis and non-status people of the Northwest Territories?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, since the time of the request to have the Metis health benefits the same as the status people, we have been working with the Metis Association of the Northwest Territories to establish what the membership might be. As a result, what we have in the budget planning process are the three options that can be adopted within the budgetary system. This is along with a number of other requests. The work has been done and it requires a decision in terms of planning our overall financial obligations. It is in the process and it is there to be considered. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

A supplementary, Mr. Speaker. What is the time frame for a decision? When do you see a decision on this issue?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, that proposal or submission is in the process and it will be within the budget planning process which will come forward to SCOF, standing committee on finance, June 7, 1992.

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Question O40-12(1): Minister Of Youth

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Government Leader who the Minister of Youth is.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Youth falls under the same departmental responsibility as previously.

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Mr. Antoine .

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Question O41-12(1): Moneys Spent To Date On Expo '92

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister responsible for Expo '92. In this time of financial restraint, I want to know how much money has been budgeted for Expo and how much money has been spent to date. I would like a progress report of some sort. Mahsi.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Expo '92 is being funded through a four million dollar revolving fund. I do not have those numbers presently on how much of the four million dollars we have spent or how much revenue we have received, but I will get back to the House tomorrow.

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Question O42-12(1): Total Review Of Department Of Social Services

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Social Services . The day before yesterday I asked the Minister whether he felt the Department of Social Services needed a total review. He made comments last summer that he would review the department with a fine-toothed comb. Recognizing that there is a different Minister, but the department is still the same, I would like to know if he still feels the department needs a total review with a fine-toothed comb.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford , Minister of Social Services .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The report is giving us some recommendations. I am taking all those recommendations under advisement, in consultation with my colleagues, to see what we can do with the two departments. I want to reserve the opportunity to have a view of all the programs we have and the problems the department faces, before I go ahead with any fine-toothed comb review. I think that some of the things that have been a problem will be addressed in this review we are doing.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

It is interesting how comments change from day to day, Mr. Speaker. On Monday the Minister indicated, "I think the Member will be pleased with the direction we are going in." So what is the direction he plans to be going in?

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Michael Ballantyne

Madam Government Leader , Minister of Social Services -- it is your choice, cabinet. Madam Government Leader .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Point of order.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I directed my question to the Minister of Social Services . My supplementary is being directed to the Minister of Social Services , therefore I would request the Minister of Social Services to reply to my supplementary.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . My understanding of the past practice of this House is that a question directed to a Minister can be handled by that Minister or can be handed off to another Minister. It is the choice of cabinet. They will bear the consequences of that decision. But it is appropriate for the Government Leader to answer the question. Madam Government Leader .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I just want to verify that in the "Strength at Two Levels" report and the consolidation of the Department of Health and Social Services -- while we are going through that process I would consider in doing that job, it would create, in fact, a complete review of the Department of Social Services and what they are doing and the conduct of business. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Social Services -- whatever Minister may want to answer, it is certainly up to them. The Government Leader indicated that she will take the report that has been tabled in the House, "Strength at Two Levels," to determine what should be reviewed in the Department of Social Services. Does the Minister of Social Services feel that the Department of Social Services needs a total review -- the comment he made prior to this report being tabled in this House?

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Social Services .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I did make those comments prior to any knowledge I had of the "Strength at Two Levels" report. Since then, I want to have the opportunity to review both of the departments under my direction here before I make any comments on which direction it is going to go. But the direction will be progressive.

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell , supplementary.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, does he know today, as he stated on Monday, the specific direction that he is going to be going in? Can he advise the House today?

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Michael Ballantyne

I take it "he" is the Minister of Social Services ? Minister of Social Services .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

We are working together as a team; we are discussing this in cabinet and at this moment we do not have a specific target but we are working toward making these two departments better departments.

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question O43-12(1): Status Of School For Lake Harbour

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This has been a concern for some time by my constituents. There have been deaths of students who are out of our community. There are a lot of people who go outside of our community to go to school. I do not want an answer right now, but perhaps later on. Our school was deferred to be completed in 1992. There are a lot of students who are enroling in that school in my community and there is not enough room in the school now. It is very hard for the parents of the community when their children have to go to school outside the community. Can the department assure me that the school in my community will not be deferred again?

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Education , Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think we all know that the capital projects that are going to be built in the communities have not been started yet; they are still being discussed by the government. I think you have all heard that the capital estimates will be dealt with in February. We will find out whether the school Mr. Pudlat is talking about will be deferred or will go ahead.

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Question O44-12(1): Escalating Costs In Legal Aid

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

My question is to the Minister of Justice . Given the current increase in the rate of crime and the need for legal aid and the fact that up until 1989-90 the federal government was cost sharing the cost of legal aid, what steps, if any, is the Minister of Justice going to take to ensure that these spiralling costs are going to be brought under control? Because it is my understanding that in accordance with the Beatty report the federal government has put a cap on their contribution to the cost of legal aid.

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Question O44-12(1): Escalating Costs In Legal Aid

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Michael Ballantyne

Justice Minister , Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is absolutely correct that the legal aid cost sharing agreement with the federal government has been frozen at 1989-90 dollars, and we are facing a serious shortfall in the amount of money available for legal aid, compared with the demands on the system. I want to assure the Member and the House that I have given this problem priority attention. I had a chance to meet briefly with the Legal Services Board shortly after my appointment; they have now presented me with a report that they had commissioned on legal aid.

I have also the benefit of the recommendations of the "Strength at Two Levels" report on that subject, and this week I am meeting with my department to consider what steps will be necessary in order to deal with these financial problems that the Member has alluded to.

I expect that I will have to make decisions soon in order to deal with the issue this fiscal year. Fortunately, I will have the benefit of this review that has been done under the auspices of the Legal Services Board and the "Strength at Two Levels" report to guide me in tackling the issue.

Today I do not know what can be done, Mr. Speaker, but I expect that by the end of the week the department will be making recommendations to me about necessary steps that will have to be taken, and I will keep honourable Members informed as those decisions are taken. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O45-12(1): Scheduled Airline Services Rather Than Charters For Court Circuits

Item 5: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Given the current financial crisis we are currently in and the fact that the justice system, in my opinion, seems to be bankrupt, has the Department of Justice given consideration to using regular scheduled service in transportation rather than chartering across the Territories?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I am sure the honourable Member does appreciate that the judiciary is a separate branch of the government in our political system. Any Minister of Justice , even one concerned about costs, must be cautious about giving directions to judges about how they should do their work. So I want to make it clear that any

savings on the cost associated with courts and court charters, in my opinion, must be reached through the co-operation of the judiciary and not by any directions coming from the government.

Mr. Speaker, I know that my officials have been discussing this matter of the increasing costs of administration of justice in the NWT with the judiciary, with the RCMP and with the Law Society. I do believe that all of those key elements of the system are aware of the escalating costs and are prepared to take the necessary steps to bring those costs down wherever possible, even in the face of increasing crime rates and in increasing demand for their services.

So all I can tell the honourable Member is that I have yet to meet with all the actors in the system, including the chief judges of the territorial and Supreme Court, but I am aware of those concerns and I am aware that the judges are. The briefings I have had have led me to believe that scheduled services have been used, wherever possible and economic, by court parties in the past year and, in fact, charter costs have been reduced. There are times when it is more economical to use a charter, so the rule cannot be a blanket one. But I believe steps are being taken to bring those costs under control as much as possible.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

That was a bit of a long answer to a simple question. Mr. Todd , supplementary.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I hope that the honourable Minister is not suggesting for one minute that judges are immune from this House when it relates to financial aspects of the budget.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

I am not suggesting that, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Arvaluk .

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Question O46-12(1): Simultaneous Translation In The Courts

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Justice . As we know, time is expensive. I know it is expensive for the lawyers and the judges, extremely expensive, but it is also expensive to have a plane sitting in the communities when it is a charter.

The present court system in the Northwest Territories has to use a language of the accused or the defendant, and we do not utilize simultaneous translation in those court parties. It is a consecutive translation and takes a lot of time to relay the message to the accused or defendant, or to the jury. That is now being practised also in some communities. When will the Justice Minister utilize the simultaneous translation services in the courts? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Justice , Mr. Patterson .

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Question O46-12(1): Simultaneous Translation In The Courts

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I thank the Member for the excellent suggestion. I will take the question as notice and get back to the House as soon as I can. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Question O47-12(1): NWT Participation At Expo '92

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism and is related to a question asked earlier by the Member for Nahendeh . I welcome the fact that we are going to get an update tomorrow on expenditures in connection with Expo '92, but I wonder if the Minister could also advise, given our apparent financial problems, whether the government is reconsidering our participation at Expo '92.

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Question O47-12(1): NWT Participation At Expo '92

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Pollard .

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Question O47-12(1): NWT Participation At Expo '92

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John Pollard

Hay River

Several days ago, Mr. Speaker, I asked the department to advise me on what commitments we have made and what contracts we have signed, what money we have spent, and whether or not it was possible to perhaps look at curtailing going there. I have not received that back from the department, so I will take the question as notice and report back to the House tomorrow or Friday, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Gargan .

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Question O48-12(1): Mlas' Contact With Workers' Compensation Board

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. I had written a letter to the former Minister in August regarding some concerns I had with respect to the way the Workers' Compensation Board operates. One of the policies that the Compensation Board operates under is that Members that have a concern with regard to claims or concerns about their constituents have to go to the Minister rather than dealing directly with the board itself.

I would like to ask the Minister, when was this policy directive given and by which Minister, that Members on this side have to go directly to you as opposed to going to the Workers' Compensation Board?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I am aware of the fact that the honourable Member had been told by the general manager of the WCB that complaints or concerns about the Workers' Compensation Board should be dealt with by the Minister responsible for the WCB and that that policy was established by the board itself. I am aware of that correspondence.

Mr. Speaker, my attitude is that the WCB staff should be encouraged to respond, wherever possible, directly to MLAs if they have concerns about WCB issues, and that it should only be if the matter cannot be resolved at the staff level that the Minister responsible needs to become involved. That is the way it should work, in my opinion, Mr. Speaker. If that is not how it is working right now, then I will look forward to sitting down with the board.

I am planning to meet with them at their next meeting in January and sorting out this arrangement so that problems can be dealt with, wherever possible, by staff dealing directly with MLAs; just as I would hope the board would be equally accessible to members of the public. I am willing to have that policy reviewed, Mr. Speaker, so there are not complications in getting problems solved. Thank you.

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