Debates of Feb. 23rd, 2011

This is page numbers 6085 - 6142 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was work .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 114-16(5): Public Service Capacity Initiative

Congratulations To Ms. Siobhan Quigg On Being Selected To Attend French Language Conference In Quebec City

Congratulations To Commission Scolaire Francophone On Achievements

Preventative Maintenance Assistance For Homeowners

Territorial Hotel Tax

Future Of Health Care In The NWT

Public Consultations On Proposed New Wildlife Act

V-Day Campaign To Stop Violence Against Women And Girls

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Homelessness Assistance Fund

Preventative Maintenance Assistance For Homeowners

Territorial Hotel Tax

Proposed New Wildlife Act

Foundation For Change

Family Violence

Planning For Retrofit Of Stanton Territorial Hospital

Written Question 24-16(5): Cost Of Wildlife Act Consultations

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:33 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Colleagues, I’d like to draw your attention to the visitor’s gallery to the presence of our Clerk, Mr. Tim Mercer, and his lovely little daughter Mira visiting today.

---Applause

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 114-16(5): Public Service Capacity Initiative

Ministers’ Statements

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to provide Members with an update on the Public Service Capacity Initiative, which Municipal and Community Affairs is jointly implementing with the Department of Human Resources, the NWT Association of Communities and the Local Government Administrators of the Northwest Territories.

The program was introduced in 2009 and has been developed around a series of actions that are aimed at enhancing community government public service capacity. Building public service capacity in both the GNWT and community governments is part of the Refocusing Government Initiative that contributes to the Assembly’s goal of effective and efficient government.

One of the larger programs, the Advancing Local Government Administrators Program, has three objectives. The first is to assist community governments with recruitment, development and retention of NWT residents into local government administrator positions. The second objective is to provide meaningful and practical training and development opportunities to individuals currently employed as or interested in becoming a local government administrator. The final objective is to develop a stable pool of qualified local government administrators in the Northwest Territories.

To date, funding has been provided to 10 community governments to access support for these objectives. The community governments are: Fort Good Hope, Fort Liard, Fort Resolution, the Hay River Reserve, Sachs Harbour, Ulukhaktok, Wekweetì, Whati, Norman Wells and Fort Providence.

Another element of the Public Service Capacity Initiative is the Community Government Mentorship Program which is designed to link new or less experienced local government administrators with experienced local government mentors. The program is being introduced this year and will assist five to 10 local government administrators annually with mentors.

I would also like to highlight some of the initiatives that the Local Government Administrators of the NWT are leading. These include a marketing campaign, recruitment initiatives, the development of a pool of professionals who can provide short-term support to local governments, and training events including professional development at their annual general meeting. In addition to the initiatives being led by the Local Government Administrators of the NWT we are also working with the NWT Association of Communities. This organization is our main partner in delivering good governance workshops, which to date have been accessed by over 500 councillors from 28 community governments.

As community governments take on greater responsibilities for the delivery of programs and services to residents, it is important that the Government of the Northwest Territories and our partners, the NWT Association of Communities and the Local Government Administrators of the NWT, continue to provide ongoing support and assistance. I will be pleased to continue to provide my colleagues with updates on the Public Service Capacity Initiative as we continue work on this important program to recruit, retain and develop our local government administrators and to assist community governments with governance initiatives.

This is an important initiative that will help us achieve our vision for sustainable, safe and vibrant communities.

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Minister’s Statement 114-16(5): Public Service Capacity Initiative

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Congratulations To Ms. Siobhan Quigg On Being Selected To Attend French Language Conference In Quebec City

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s always a pleasure to recognize the achievements of our young people and that is what I am going to do today. I’m speaking of Siobhan Quigg, a grade 11 student in Norman Wells. She is the only student from the Northwest Territories chosen to attend a French for Future Youth Forum in Quebec City later this week. The conference is to promote bilingualism. There were 125 applicants from across Canada and only 30 young people were chosen.

This is a real honour and a real testament to Miss Quigg’s proficiency in the French language, especially since there is not a lot of French spoken in Norman Wells. Siobhan took a shine to the language when she was in kindergarten and was inspired by a French-speaking teacher. She’s been taking French classes since grade 1. Her success speaks to her enthusiasm and hard work in learning French, but also to the great support she had from her teachers and parents. I’m sure they are very proud of her.

Miss Quigg’s trip to Quebec City will no doubt be an exciting one. It will be the first time in her life that she had to speak another language the whole time. It will be a real opportunity for one of our students to enjoy French food, music and culture with her counterparts across Canada.

I’m positive Siobhan will share our Northwest Territories culture with her new-found friends in Quebec and that she will be a wonderful ambassador on our behalf. I heartily congratulate Siobhan and her teachers. I’m sure her fellow students in Norman Wells will benefit from all that she learns during her week in Quebec. Merci, Mr. Speaker.

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Congratulations To Ms. Siobhan Quigg On Being Selected To Attend French Language Conference In Quebec City

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Congratulations To Commission Scolaire Francophone On Achievements

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, the establishment and expansion of French first language schooling in the NWT is a

success story. It shows what people can accomplish if they have passion and tenacity.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Congratulations To Commission Scolaire Francophone On Achievements

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

On the occasion of Education Week, I would like to salute the Commission Scolaire Francophone on their achievements, and I have to highlight and salute Ecole Allain St-Cyr, which sits in the riding of Frame Lake and provides excellent francophone education to the residents of Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Congratulations To Commission Scolaire Francophone On Achievements

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Preventative Maintenance Assistance For Homeowners

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Homeowners in my riding need preventative maintenance assistance to replace wooden pilings and aging fuel tanks. The Housing Corporation’s Contributing Assistance for Repairs and Enhancement, the CARE program, is available for some homeowners but needs to increase to fit the needs of people in my riding.

Wooden pilings underneath the homes in communities are rotting. They are deteriorating in the sunlight. They’re directly affected by melting permafrost and soil erosion. Some of the pilings are decayed so much that you could punch a screwdriver through the wood. A house in Inuvik just last year, Mr. Speaker, collapsed. Replacing a house, especially in my riding, is more expensive than replacing old pilings.

As we know, leaking fuel tanks are a big problem. It is every homeowner’s responsibility to make sure that their oil tanks are in good condition. However, if they live in Nunakput they probably pay $1,700 for a tank of heating fuel every six weeks, Mr. Speaker. Your power bill is about $900. That’s the cost of a fuel tank every six weeks. Age, sand rub and corrosion are affecting fuel tanks in my riding. Again, cleanup is more expensive, other than prevention. Offering a subsidy or replacing a fuel tank will go a long way in preventing spills and reducing costs overall.

Mr. Speaker, we need to invest more preventative maintenance to keep homes from failing and disappearing, or even collapsing. This will reduce the number of households in core need. We need to educate our people on their responsibilities to give them support that they need to take care of their homes. Mr. Speaker, we need to enhance programming to remote communities where there aren’t many options. When people need to make repairs in our houses, we will make suitable, adequate and affordable homes an achievable

goal. Mr. Speaker, we have to help our private homeowners in the small communities.

Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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Preventative Maintenance Assistance For Homeowners

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Territorial Hotel Tax

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the NWT’s limited economy, tourism is one of the best opportunities to bring in new money to our North. One way being proposed to build upon that is being put forward by the Hotel Association. They support the creation of a territorial 1 percent hotel tax. Now, at first glance, that may seem counter-intuitive, Mr. Speaker, especially coming from business where they are saying we need a new tax, but that 1 percent hotel tax would add up on average as $1.50 per room each day, Mr. Speaker.

What they believe strongly in is this money would be new money generated to be able to be focused in on tourism opportunities in the Northwest Territories. On average, a 1 percent hotel tax is less than the cost of buying a pop in a hotel vending machine.

As it currently stands, hotel tax is a common function across Canada and used internationally. Mr. Speaker, 10 of our provinces have hotel taxes and they range from a variable to up to about 3 percent. A 1 percent hotel tax, I am suggesting, is not very large but is being called upon by the Hotel Association to do good things.

According to the Yellowknife Hotel Association, if a 1 percent levy had existed in Yellowknife in 2008, it would have generated approximately $208,000 and in 2009 when the global recession was hitting Canada as well as the world, Mr. Speaker, that still would have generated approximately $200,000 new dollars for our North. This money could be invested directly back into tourism marketing, specifically towards maybe someday a hotel convention bureau.

Most of our conference meeting planners want to come north but we don’t have an organized function to help target that. New money generated by a 1 percent hotel tax put forward by the Hotel Association says this may be the way to do this.

Mr. Speaker, we need to encourage the Finance Minister to consider this, especially because it is being strongly advocated by the Hotel Association. Mr. Speaker, these are the people that would help organize it. These are the people who are the backbone of our economy. There is a bread and butter of getting things done. Mr. Speaker, this is an echo held and shouted out loud by industry. Would the government finally listen?

Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of Finance later today to ask him what his resistance is to considering a hotel tax in the Northwest Territories directly focused in on tourism benefits. Thank you.

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Territorial Hotel Tax

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Future Of Health Care In The NWT

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to speak today about the future of health care in our Territory. Mr. Speaker, I spoke many times about the lack of planning and foresight by this government when it comes to future needs of a resident’s health care. First off, Mr. Speaker, is the system itself. We have some of the best health care professionals and providers in this country working for us today. I have had personal experience in the past year with my own health and I have to say that the doctors and nurses and front-line health care staff that we have here in the Northwest Territories are second to none and do a great job for us.

The problem, Mr. Speaker, is our inability to govern, fund and plan for the future. The Minister suggests that the Foundation for Change will address system-wide problems, deal with funding, reallocate money and provide a base for this system to be efficient and effective. I do hope that this is the beginning of the end of talk, because, Mr. Speaker, as the saying goes, talk is cheap. What we need to do, Mr. Speaker, is take action.

I am in favour of the government making health care much more of a priority and billing than it currently gets. We need to fix the issues that can be identified, Mr. Speaker. Many of these issues are nothing new to this government. They have been around for a number of years. Mr. Speaker, we also have to start planning for the future. What will be needed is a complete capital retrofit of Stanton Territorial Hospital, the flagship of our health care system.

Mr. Speaker, this is going to have to take place in a time when government is going to be looking at cutting back the available capital dollars for infrastructure projects around the Territory and, in my mind, Mr. Speaker, this project is probably going to come in with a price tag of upwards of $200 million. We have to start putting money aside, we have to start planning for that capital retrofit of that hospital, and the sooner the better, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Future Of Health Care In The NWT

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Public Consultations On Proposed New Wildlife Act

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the last couple of weeks I and a few of my colleagues have raised concerns about the current public consultation process that has taken place between November 24, 2010, and January 31, 2011, on the new NWT Wildlife Act. Although the Minister continues to suggest that all due process has taken place and that the public consultation process has been conducted appropriately, many throughout the Northwest Territories remain concerned. Mr. Speaker, I’m one of them.

Mr. Speaker, the public consultation process on the proposed Wildlife Act began on November 24

when the public draft, plain language document and consultation

schedule were released publicly. Essentially when these items were released it was the first time that the public had an opportunity to see the department’s proposal firsthand. The first opportunity interest groups throughout the Northwest Territories had an opportunity to dig into the details to ensure that the proposal truly is in the best interest of all people of the Northwest Territories.

Originally, all public meetings were scheduled to run from November 24

until December 25

, which

is 22 days, Mr. Speaker. The dates were ultimately extended until the end of January as a number of important stakeholders were missed in the initial round. So excluding Christmas break when all GNWT offices are closed, the total days available for input, based on the distributed draft and plain language document, was 47 days, Mr. Speaker, and that includes weekends. Forty-seven days, Mr. Speaker. Forty-seven days for interested stakeholders to conduct in-depth analysis on a 70-page, incredibly complex act. Forty-seven days without any support from the government in any way, shape or form.

Mr. Speaker, this seems ridiculous and hardly provides me or many stakeholders with confidence that the Minister was or is truly interested in hearing anything that these groups have to say.

Further, the Aboriginal groups that participated in the drafting of the legislation were financially compensated for their involvement and participation. They had dollars available to do their legal reviews and attend the meetings. Other stakeholders did not have this support or opportunity from the government.

Mr. Speaker, this particular public consultation is suspect. More of a real transparent consultation is required. Mr. Speaker, and this is important, it’s more important to get this act right than to get it right now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Public Consultations On Proposed New Wildlife Act

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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V-Day Campaign To Stop Violence Against Women And Girls

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today is V-Day, a day when we focus on the tragic violence against women and girls in the North. You can’t get through a newspaper without reading of these horrors across the NWT. Our non-government organizations are our public record and our own Assembly Members place this issue at the top of the public agenda. Despite GNWT program action, the numbers and suffering mount.

We all know the facts and we must act. Here are some priorities for action, priorities that I’ve collected directly from the YWCA Yellowknife and the Centre for Northern Families.

First, the government must commit to maintain its current funding level of $500,000 for phase III of the Coalition Against Family Violence Action Plan. Women cannot be safe until we have an RCMP presence in all our communities. Without enforcement, emergency protection orders mean nothing. We must have these police. The Trauma Recovery Program for women and children who have experienced violence needs to be reinstated. Community-based programs that support both men and women in transition must be established.

Enhancement funding for shelters outside Yellowknife, in Tuk, Inuvik, Fort Smith and Hay River, are desperately needed. Our non-government organizations look forward to implementation of the new program for people who violently abuse, and to support the recommendations of the five-year review of the Protection Against Family Violence Act.

The Y and Centre for Northern Families stress that addressing violence against women shouldn’t be just all about intervention. Shelters, prisons, victims services, RCMP, courts, et cetera, are needed but, Mr. Speaker, we must place greater focus on prevention.

The Coalition Against Family Violence had an all-day meeting yesterday to plan for the next phase of the action plan. I look forward to a prompt briefing on the meeting results and confirmation that funds will be allocated. I know these measures are costly and the money is short, but people are suffering and dying. We must put our resources to our priorities. Mr. Speaker, we have to do a better job. Mahsi.

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V-Day Campaign To Stop Violence Against Women And Girls

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to the gallery and to the presence of Mr. Myles Kirvan, deputy minister of Justice Canada from Ottawa. Accompanying him is Ms. Karan Shaner, assistant deputy minister/Attorney General, Department of Justice, Government of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Kirvan is here in Yellowknife this week to take

part in a Justice Canada symposium entitled Justice Under the Northern Lights. Welcome to the Assembly.

The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d also like to welcome Mr. Kirvan and Ms. Shaner.

I’d also like to recognize Karen McMaster, acting executive director of the NWT Wildlife Federation.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 516-16(5): Homelessness Assistance Fund

Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have some questions today for the Minister of Health and Social Services . I’d like to ask some questions regarding the Homelessness Assistance Fund.

From what I know of this fund, it is a fund that is used as a program of last resort when people have lost their home or are in between homes and need some assistance to make sure that they don’t go homeless. I’d like to ask the Minister at this point if she could explain to me what, in her mind, is a definition of a program of last resort in terms of the time frame that she expects people to be able to have to apply for this assistance and maybe get it.

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Question 516-16(5): Homelessness Assistance Fund

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 516-16(5): Homelessness Assistance Fund

Oral Questions

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The time frame for those who apply for this funding varies and is dependent on the specific situation. I’ve seen a turnaround of 24 hours or days.

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Question 516-16(5): Homelessness Assistance Fund

Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I’d like to give the Minister a bit of a scenario which, unfortunately, occurred. A family was offered an apartment with Yellowknife Housing Authority. They ended the lease in their current place. Then a policy intervened and three weeks before the end of their current lease they were advised that, no, they had arrears and they had to pay the arrears before they could move into their new place. The response basically from Health and Social Services was that policy did not allow them to go into this place.

I’d like to ask the Minister, if this is a program of last resort, should staff members not be working to accommodate these people who are in a difficult situation between one home and the next as opposed to simply refusing them?

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Question 516-16(5): Homelessness Assistance Fund

Oral Questions

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Without knowing the details and facts of the situation, it’s difficult for me to comment, but I think it should be noted that when we say a program is one of last resort it does not equal to saying that anybody who applies for it will get it. They would have to meet the guidelines and policies of those programs. Without knowing the facts, I could not give full answers to exactly what happened in this situation. If the Member wants to bring the details to me, I’d be happy to look into that.

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Question 516-16(5): Homelessness Assistance Fund

Oral Questions

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

To the Minister, this is not a current situation. It was solved. It was not solved through any assistance through government, unfortunately. It was solved through the assistance of the community. I’d like to ask the Minister, when a person is desperate for homeownership assistance, or for home assistance I should say, so that they do not become homeless, what is it that the staff do? What do they look at to see whether or not an application should be accepted or denied?

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Question 516-16(5): Homelessness Assistance Fund

Oral Questions

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

This pot of money for $125,000 was allocated to help those in most need. They sometimes don’t fall into other programs that are available in the government. I am aware of lots of specific situations where we have helped them. We have, in fact, spent every penny in that program over the last year. It does work to fill the gaps and fill the holes and to be a safety net for those who come forward. A Member has a situation of one case that didn’t work out perhaps, and I’m glad to hear that it was resolved, but by and large this program serves the purpose for which it was intended.

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Question 516-16(5): Homelessness Assistance Fund

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 516-16(5): Homelessness Assistance Fund

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In this case I don’t think it did work. The family had three weeks’ notice to try and pay off a $700 debt, give or take. It simply was not possible. The father was in school, the mother was on income support. I really need to ask the Minister, when an application comes forward, do the staff not look to find solutions as opposed to finding a way to deny the application?

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Question 516-16(5): Homelessness Assistance Fund

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I can say in confidence that our staff looks to find solutions. We do not look at the application to look for a way to deny them. In fact, we have spent $62,000 more on this budget than what was allocated. I can demonstrate to you that we have spent 50 percent more than what was allocated. We look for ways to find solutions. I can give for her one example that she has 10 examples of how we have helped our residents to go back to

their communities and pay off their debt. I’m saying that if in this situation the person was denied, they would have been faxed, I would have supported that, and I need the Member to tell me what the situation is.

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Question 516-16(5): Homelessness Assistance Fund

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 517-16(5): Preventative Maintenance Assistance For Homeowners

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation . What support exists for homeowners in remote communities who need to replace oil tanks and wood pilings underneath their homes?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Those that find they need to replace their fuel tanks or pilings would be able to, if they qualify, access money through CARE, the home repair program.

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

What’s being done to educate the public about proper maintenance of oil tanks and wood pilings?

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

It’s obvious that there has been some concern with the fuel tanks and, more specifically, the wood pilings. As far as public education, I would have to follow up and see what’s out there. This has been a longstanding issue, the pilings in particular, so folks out there are well aware of some of the challenges they face. The fuel tank issue is just a new one that’s been out for a bit here. There’s still a process that has to go on where we need to educate the public and make them aware of some of the challenges they face with the fuel tanks.

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Does the NWT Housing Corporation plan to address the pilings that are beginning to decay for private homeownership? I think the cost for one to repair is about $1,500. I mean, some people are barely eligible to stay in those units that are being given under the programs that they fall under through the Housing Corporation. Can the Minister elaborate a little bit more on the process and what the department can do to help enhance the program to get these pilings done for the private homeownership?

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Obviously, being a private homeowner, they would be responsible for the remediation of their piles. However, the Housing Corporation does offer the CARE program where, if they’re eligible, they would qualify for home repairs and get the piling work done. As far as a program designed specifically for that, it doesn’t exist right

now, but clients will have an opportunity through one of the home repair programs to get the work done to their units.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Jacobson .

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister consider looking at ways to increase support to homeowners in remote communities and the need to replace oil tanks and wood pilings and to enhance the programs under the NWT housing CARE program?

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

We’re always looking at ways that we can improve the delivery of our program. We have allocated, in the past number of years, a large amount of resources to the communities. I can stand here and quote some numbers from the Member’s constituency where one particular community received $4.7 million since 2007. Another community got about the same amount. We try and distribute the resources that we have equally. We’ve been fortunate in the last number of years with the federal investment. We’ve been able to allocate more resources.

With that money being sunsetted we’re back to our historical levels, but we still recognize the importance of helping those in the communities that need assistance. I think last year we allocated about $9 million to help homeowners. This year the number is a little lower, what we’re proposing. Still we see it as our contribution to helping those that want to fix up their units. Again I will remind the Member that for those who qualify for some of the programs, there’s always the assistance in dealing with some of the issues surrounding their units.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Jacobson .

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Bonus question. For myself, would the Minister, for the private homeowners, like, we have some elders that are retired and the family is still working. They still say that under the last fiscal year, would the Minister reconsider looking at the pre-qualifications and opening that up with the Housing Corporation to be able to allocate more monies to the individuals in the communities?

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

We try to distribute our resources equally and fairly across the Northwest Territories. We have some of our smaller communities that continue to get a good portion of the money. We’re always looking at ways to allocate resources to a lot of the communities that are in need. We find we have more applications in one community than another. We’re always looking at ways we can assist our homeowners to improve the condition of their units.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 518-16(5): Territorial Hotel Tax

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I talked about the need for a hotel tax which is being called upon by the Hotel Association asking the Minister of Finance to create such an initiative that could help support tourism initiatives in the Northwest Territories. What is the hesitation of the Department of Finance from simply creating a hotel tax that could be targeted to help support the tourism industry?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s not an issue of hesitation. It’s an issue of getting feedback, getting some initial direction and positive response through the revenue roundtables and then mapping out the way forward. In this case, it was recommended that the ability to have a hotel tax be delegated down to the community level. The Member is talking about something for the Hotel Association. This points to the need for doing the proper work to in fact decide upon what would be the right structure. I’ve indicated in this budget that there’s not going to be any tax increases, so that work would be, if it’s being done, considered by the 17

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Question 518-16(5): Territorial Hotel Tax

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

The Hotel Association as well as a number of people in the tourism organizations out there all would like a hotel tax. I think they’ve been advocating for this particular type of tax for some time now. This is not a new initiative that’s been suggested. The Minister talked about downloading it maybe to further governance but I don’t think that’s the ideal approach. What conditions would the Minister of Finance need to be in place or to see supported in order to make it a territorial hotel tax?

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Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

The Member is correct. In fact, this hotel tax initiative did come before this House back in 2000 and was not successful in being approved by this House, the concern being driving up the cost of doing business and putting an extra burden on the tourism industry. In this particular case, the Member’s line of questioning versus what we heard at the roundtable in October points to, at the very least, a need for further discussion. The Association of Communities made the request and supported the request that it be delegated, at their request, to the communities. The Member’s talking about a territorial-wide one.

That alone in itself is a source of contention that would need some revision and work. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I suspect under the Municipal Towns and Villages Act they have the ability to create a hotel tax, but that’s not exactly what they would like. They would rather see it as an across-the-board, fair, even policy created by the

Finance Minister and, if anything, allow it to be targeted at tourism initiatives, that it could be a tax targeted with a special purpose.

Mr. Speaker, is there apprehension from the Department of Finance to creating a territorial tax from doing this type of initiative or do they just not want to do the work? Because as I understand it, tourism wants it and the Hotel Association supports this. I’m just trying to get a sense of what’s stopping the Department of Finance from moving on this particular initiative other than finding reasons not to. Thank you.

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Question 518-16(5): Territorial Hotel Tax

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Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

His statement is the first awareness that I have, the first notice that I’ve had that the Hotel Association wants a tax imposed territory-wide. Unless I’ve missed it or I’ve forgotten it, I don’t recollect hearing this specifically before. He has raised this issue for the first time in the House. There was a different approach suggested by the Association of Communities. Once again, that alone, in terms of how it would be applied, is going to require some discussion. It’s not that we’re reluctant. There’s work being done. It has been done.

We’ve indicated in this budget, in the House here a couple weeks ago when I did the budget address, that there are no new taxes planned for this particular budget. If there’s going to be further work done and a decision made on a hotel tax, then that work will be carried out to fruition by the 17

Assembly. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Your final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 518-16(5): Territorial Hotel Tax

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s not my intention to break the promise of the Finance Minister when he says he’s holding the line on taxes, so he should be assured that I’m not trying to trip him up on that promise to the people of the NWT. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister of Finance be willing to come to a meeting, if I was able to arrange it, with the Hotel Association and even some municipality officials on this particular issue about creating the hotel tax initiative? That money could be targeted at the tourism industry, an industry that could use more money to help bring new dollars into our economy, which is a very important base to our overall strength of our northern business. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Minister of Finance

As a matter of practice, I look seriously at every invitation that I get, especially ones that are put forward by Members of the Legislative Assembly, and I will, of course, give such an invitation, should it come from the Member, every full and due consideration that it deserves. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 519-16(5): Proposed New Wildlife Act

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said in my Member’s statement, that we get with the Wildlife Act, the document that is right as opposed to right now. This act affects everybody in the Northwest Territories, Aboriginal hunters, non-Aboriginal hunters, harvesters, industry, transportation. In fact, every person who goes outside is affected or will be affected by the Wildlife Act.

My question to the Minister is: what is the urgency? Why don’t we wait, go back out, talk to those people who have concerns, get the information and put forward

an act that is right? We need to delay this, Mr. Speaker, so will the Minister commit to taking it off the table for March and putting it back on the table for maybe May or August? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

No, Mr. Speaker.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Wow, an answer. I really, really kind of like that. That’s, I think, the first one I’ve gotten from the Minister in three and a half years. But I will go back, Mr. Speaker. I mean, clearly there are issues and concerns out there with respect to this Wildlife Act. It needs to be thoroughly invested and thoroughly reviewed. The Minister hasn’t been able to provide any assurances that the people’s voices are heard. What is the Minister going to do, and I’ve asked this question before, but what is he going to do to make sure that these people’s voices are heard before we put this act in front of the House for consideration, Mr. Speaker?

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Question 519-16(5): Proposed New Wildlife Act

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I would suggest to the Member that he’s received many answers from me over the life of this Assembly; he just may not have liked them all. That does not consist not getting an answer.

In this particular case, we have done consultation. There was a publication sent out in 2009 that laid out all the main principles, proposed changes followed since that time with ongoing consultation. This act is a good act. I think it meets the test and I will also submit to this House that no matter what assurances I would provide to the Member except delaying and killing the bill, would not satisfy him with his insatiable focus on process. Thank you.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I think the Minister’s putting some words in my mouth. I have no interest whatsoever in killing this bill and I’ve been pretty clear along those lines ever since we started having conversation. I am concerned about process, because we are a public government, Mr. Speaker. We must be transparent in everything we do. We

must be accountable for our actions. In this case, I don’t believe the public consultation is particularly transparent or accountable. I’ve heard from representatives from the Government of the Northwest Territories, members of his own department, members from ITI, members from other departments with concerns about this act. I’ve heard from industry. I’ve heard from the Chamber of Mines. I’ve heard from the NWT Wildlife Federation. I have heard from people on the street that have concerns. There are many, many people out there who are frustrated and concerned about this process.

All I’m asking is let’s go back and give these organizations an opportunity to have a conversation with the Minister and his department to solve some of these issues that they have, to make sure that their voices are heard. I’m not suggesting that he agree with them. It’s okay to disagree, but it’s not okay to ignore, and that’s what I feel is happening in this situation.

I would like the Minister to not ignore these industries, not ignore these organizations, not ignore our people, Mr. Speaker, and go out and listen to them. If it takes a little bit more time, it takes a little bit more time. Mr. Speaker, to the Minister: what is the harm in waiting? What is the harm in getting the input from these people and providing them with reasonable expectation or reasonable certainty that they have been heard? What is the harm, Mr. Speaker?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I believe at the end of the day we will have addressed the majority of concerns of the groups that Member keeps referring to. I mean, I’ve seen the correspondence, I’ve seen the various iterations of the act, I’ve looked at the changes, so I’m confident that we have done the work necessary to bring this act to the House. It gets first and second reading and then it will go to committee, then the committee will have an opportunity to take in on the road to consult, which will be another opportunity to come back before third reading to see what other further changes may be necessary and agreed to.

The Member well knows that this has been a priority of this Assembly; it’s been a priority since almost 1990 when the issue first came up. Some groups have been waiting 27 years to have their land claims reflected in this act, some 18 years. This act is seriously out of date and the Member knows on the timelines before us that his talk about what is the harm, let’s just delay this, is that this bill would not see the light of day in this government and it would be the new government and a year or two years or depends how successful the Member would be in terms of process, maybe sometime not even in the life of the 17

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floor of this Assembly. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Your final supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I disagree with the Minister. I think it won’t need a significant amount of time. It needs time to guarantee that the people have been heard. His argument is convenient but not particularly practical. We need to get out there, Mr. Speaker. People on the street are saying it and I don’t know how the Minister is missing it, quite frankly. It’s in the paper, it’s on the street. People are talking about it. People are concerned.

A delay and giving these organizations reasonable opportunity to have the conversation with the Minister, and like I said, not necessarily agree, but are certain that they’ve been heard is enough. He didn’t really answer the question. I’m curious; what is the harm in delaying this until we get the input and the confidence that he and his department haven’t heard? It’s not there, Mr. Speaker. What is the harm?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 519-16(5): Proposed New Wildlife Act

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just in our own political timeline, this particular session will go to the 7

of March. There

will be a prorogation and on the 7

of March there

will be a new session starting which will be an opportunity to bring into the House this bill and other legislation for first and second reading which gives the committee 120 days to do their work and report back to the House, which means in all probability the last session in August. If, in fact, we wait until May or June, then we will totally miss any opportunity in the life of this government to bring this bill to the floor of the House. This has been identified as a priority and the intention is to give notice on March 7

for first reading on the 9

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 520-16(5): Foundation For Change

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have questions today for the Minister of Health and Social Services getting back to my Member’s statement where I talked about planning for the future of health care in the Northwest Territories. How is the Minister planning to move the Foundation for Change along and introduce it to the public here in the Northwest Territories as the answer for what ails our health care system here in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 520-16(5): Foundation For Change

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member knows, since the Foundation for Change action plan was unveiled in 2009, it was made clear that it is a three-year action plan. It is

one of the important foundation documents that we are using to change our system and to make our system work together as a system and work better. Mr. Speaker, since that, we have had regional dialogues in every region of the Northwest Territories. We have had them on the website. I have made numerous statements in the Assembly. Mr. Speaker, we have been doing a lot of work to disseminate the information within the system and out. Thank you.

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Question 520-16(5): Foundation For Change

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, the Foundation for Change was unveiled in 2009, as the Minister stated. I know the Standing Committee on Social Programs has been updated a couple of times on the Foundation for Change. When will the next update be coming on the Foundation for Change? When might the committee and Members of this government... Is this government actually going to act on any of the findings of the recommendations from the Foundation for Change? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 520-16(5): Foundation For Change

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, at the request of the Standing Committee on Social Programs, we submitted about a 50-page draft document, a work plan status update about a week or 10 days ago. I am sure the Member could get a copy of that if he would like. I could provide him with that. That is also being posted on our website. Thank you.

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Question 520-16(5): Foundation For Change

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I spoke earlier of the need for capital dollars and especially in the area of health care. I am wondering what planning is going into trying to look to the future needs capital requirements for our health care system, particularly Stanton Hospital which I mentioned is probably going to need a major capital retrofit in the very near future, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 520-16(5): Foundation For Change

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, the Member knows that we have a capital planning process. We just approved our capital budget last fall. In that was money for planning for Stanton Territorial Health Authority. In our meeting this morning in the committee, the Member was advised that the work that we are going to be doing -- and the CEO and the public administrator of the authority have advised the committee as well -- for Stanton has to be in line with the work that we are doing in our regional health centres. What we are going to be delivering in Hay River, Fort Smith, Norman Wells and Inuvik will have much to say about the next phase of capital planning for the Stanton Hospital. Thank you.

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Question 520-16(5): Foundation For Change

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 520-16(5): Foundation For Change

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We did have, at the beginning of this government, a small amount of capital money, not that $28 million is a small amount of money, but that was earmarked for Stanton Territorial Hospital for a master development plan. That money, under the

Minister’s watch, vanished into thin air. Mr. Speaker, again, we don’t just pull $250 million together. We have to come up with a plan to address the capital needs at that hospital. That planning has to start now, Mr. Speaker. What planning is going into today to try to find money for tomorrow that we are going to need to get that capital retrofit done at that hospital? That planning has to start now, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 520-16(5): Foundation For Change

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, the planning has started and the Member knows that. He has to update his thinking on the basis of information he gets. The $28 million or whatever million that was in Stanton, that was from the old capital planning process which this Assembly has rejected. In the old ways of doing that, X dollars would be put into a budget and then people design afterwards, but we changed that system in 2007-08, Mr. Speaker. Now we have to do a planning study and you have to go through a peer review. You have to have level B estimate before it will get on the books.

There is in the budget for planning for Stanton Territorial Hospital. The work is progressing. The Member is entirely accurate and not taking into consideration the new information he received this morning to say that somehow the money disappeared and he doesn’t know anything about it, because I submit to you, he approved the capital budget for the last three years and he knows exactly what happened.

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Question 520-16(5): Foundation For Change

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 521-16(5): Family Violence

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister responsible for the Status of Women. I would like to start with questions on family violence since, of course, women bear the huge brunt of this tragedy. My first question is on the Centre for Northern Families. The Minister has had time to research my questions of last Monday. What is your plan for action this week to save this crucial haven for wounded families? Mahsi.

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Question 521-16(5): Family Violence

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister responsible for the Status of Women, Ms. Lee .

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Question 521-16(5): Family Violence

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for the Status of Women

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Centre for Northern Families received funding from the government from various envelopes, but the main funder is Education, Culture and Employment, because they get funding for the best spaces that they have there. ECE has been taking the lead in reviewing the program. We continue to talk to the management of the centre to find options. Thank you.

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Question 521-16(5): Family Violence

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, so much again for cross-departmental coordination in this

government. My second question is related to the Coalition Against Family Violence which has been our most successful partnership for combating family violence. Will the Minister commit to reporting to this Assembly next week on the outcomes of this meeting either by her own Minister’s statement or by offering a timely briefing in the House and being prepared to answer our questions? Mahsi.

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Question 521-16(5): Family Violence

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for the Status of Women

Mr. Speaker, yes, I can commit to do that. We just have to report on their meeting. As the Member stated, they would like to see some stability in the funding. As the Member knows, we have increased the funding under the enhanced community services over the last number of years. This year we are funding $482,000 instead of $460,000 last year. We are going forward for a request for a little bit more for next year. We have also increased funding under stabilized existing shelters by $11,000 this year; actually, $119,000 this year.

We have funded $450,000 this year compared to $340,000 last year and also, since 2009-10, this year we have funded $92,000 for a program for men who abuse and that is an increase of almost $70,000 from last year. Mr. Speaker, I believe we are making progress and doing things that the coalition would like us to do. I am going to review in detail what the coalition is suggesting and, as always, work with the coalition in moving forward. Thank you.

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Question 521-16(5): Family Violence

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the comments from the Minister. I look forward to further and detailed report on that meeting. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has outlined a bunch of figures about a bunch of dollars thrown out there. What has been achieved in the area of family violence reduction through the action plan during the life of this Assembly? Mahsi.

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Question 521-16(5): Family Violence

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for the Status of Women

Thank you. I can tell you that increasing money under the stabilizing existing shelters has really helped the shelters in Hay River, Inuvik and Yellowknife. I say that because they have told me that they were very glad to get that money. They were able to renovate some of the facilities to make them more safe and more comfortable for those who are staying there, and in fact that’s probably why the coalition is asking us to make that funding permanent.

We have introduced programming money for communities without shelters because that was identified as one that we had to move on, and in the last three years we have approved $460,000 in ‘08-09, $460,000 in ‘09 and ’10, and this year we budgeted $482,000 and for next year we’re going for more money, I mean, subject to all of the other pressures. There are lots of groups that identified on working on prevention and working with men who abuse, because when you’re talking about shelters and victims that’s not getting at the front-

end, which is the reason why we have established and we are funding the program to deal with women who abuse. There has been an enormous amount of training for the shelter workers. We’ve done surveys, we’ve done evaluations. There’s all kinds of stuff going on under the Family Violence Action Plan. Thank you.

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Question 521-16(5): Family Violence

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Your final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 521-16(5): Family Violence

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I appreciate the comments from the Minister. It sounds like there’s some good work happening out there and I’m happy to see the work going on with those that abuse. Strictly speaking, of course, that’s not prevention. That’s dealing with the symptoms again. We need to get out in front of this and I hope that the Minister and colleagues will be innovative in doing some real preventative work.

My last question, Mr. Speaker, is on policing. Again, in this efficient cross-departmental government, will this Minister work with her colleagues in Finance and Justice to present a plan to committee and this Assembly to bring policing to all communities within the next few years? Thank you.

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Question 521-16(5): Family Violence

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for the Status of Women

I’d be happy to speak to my colleague, the Minister of Justice , on that issue, understanding, of course, funding of extra RCMP is a project between the GNWT and the federal government for the funding of the officers. I just wanted to mention on prevention, for example -- and this is definitely in the area of prevention that the Member appreciates -- we have enhanced the community-based outreach advocacy and prevention in three regions with our shelters in the Tlicho, Deh Cho and Sahtu to raise the awareness in the community.

We have also supported protocol development to assess risks and as a common risk assessment tool based on Ontario domestic assault risk assessment across the NWT. So we do do prevention work, to answer the question. Thank you.

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Question 521-16(5): Family Violence

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 522-16(5): Planning For Retrofit Of Stanton Territorial Hospital

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wasn’t going to ask any more questions, but I can’t resist. I’m going to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services a few more questions, getting back to the questions I had earlier. I’ll try to keep the questions pretty straightforward. What planning has gone into a retrofit, a complete retrofit of Stanton Territorial Hospital to date? Thank you.

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Question 522-16(5): Planning For Retrofit Of Stanton Territorial Hospital

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 522-16(5): Planning For Retrofit Of Stanton Territorial Hospital

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to repeat the officials that work with us in this area, and the Member was there with me this morning, the management of our health care delivery system is saying that before we decide and work on details about what to do with Stanton Territorial Hospital, we need to decide what we’re going to do there. What’s it going to be? What is Stanton going to deliver? What do we want it to do? As you know, capital planning is not just about building a

building, because, as the official said, if we just go the way we’ve done before, we’re just going to build based on the old school and as the Member might know, when Stanton Hospital was built 30 years ago, even before they opened the door the building was outdated. From the day it was opened, the building was not designed to deliver the programs that it was required to deliver. We don’t want to make that mistake.

So we want to make sure that we only deliver at Stanton the only acute care services that it can deliver in Yellowknife. As much as possible, we want to optimize the use of the Hay River hospital that’s being retrofitted, the wellness centre and new health facility that we’re going to build in Norman Wells, which is in the books. We believe the Inuvik Hospital is overbuilt and we’re not using it to the max and we want to use that. To do that we need to do the staffing model, the program model, program review, use of technology. There’s a lot of work that needs to be done. We are finishing the retrofit in Smith.

So, Mr. Speaker, in the interest of doing the right thing and using the money right, we are doing an enormous amount of planning, because when Stanton Hospital is retrofitted we want it to be the modern health facility that does exactly what it’s meant to do and not one thing more. That is that it is efficiently built and effectively used. Thank you.

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Question 522-16(5): Planning For Retrofit Of Stanton Territorial Hospital

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. I don’t think the hospital was ever designed to be an office building and that’s probably the first problem. I’d like to ask the Minister, and I know and I appreciate that all this lead-up work has to be done, that has to be done, Mr. Speaker. My point is the capital plan -- and the Minister knows this, she’s been around here for almost 12 years -- that takes time. Getting money in that plan takes time. You’ve already had the Foundation for Change in place for two years. You’ve had two years. You say you’re working through all these things.

When is the process to get all those things addressed going to match up with us getting the capital dollars required to build or retrofit that Stanton Territorial Hospital? Thank you.

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Question 522-16(5): Planning For Retrofit Of Stanton Territorial Hospital

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you. The breaking news is it has begun. So I don’t know why he keeps asking when is this going to start. That was the entire discussion this morning. He has a nasty habit of not changing his view in the face of good and current information. So the breaking news: planning has begun. There is money in the budget for

planning for Stanton. I believe it’s about $900,000. The PA and the CEO and an entire health care team are working on how to make that facility work. So we will do that work, and when it’s ready it would go to peer review and follow the regular planning process. We believe it will take at least two or three years and it’s on its way. Work is being done. Thank you.

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Question 522-16(5): Planning For Retrofit Of Stanton Territorial Hospital

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 8, written questions. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Written Question 24-16(5): Cost Of Wildlife Act Consultations

Written Questions

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources .

Of the millions of dollars in expense referred to in the Minister’s February 14, 2011, reply to Oral Question 441-16(5), what have been the costs incurred for revision of the Wildlife Act during its 54 revisions over the last 17 years for consultations, travel, legal services and legislative drafting with each of the two interest communities:

a. aboriginal groups and/or governments and

treaty holders;

b. those without Aboriginal and treaty rights.

Mahsi.

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Written Question 24-16(5): Cost Of Wildlife Act Consultations

Written Questions

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Item 9, returns to written questions. Item 10, replies to opening address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. Item 15, notices of motion. Item 16, notices of motion for first reading of bills. Item 17, motions. Item 18, first reading of bills. Item 19, second reading of bills. Item 20, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Tabled Document 4-16(5), Executive

Summary of the Report of the Joint Review Panel for the Mackenzie Gas Project; Tabled Document 30-16(5), 2010 Review of Members’ Compensation and Benefits; Tabled Document 38-16(5), Supplementary Health Benefits – What We Heard; Tabled Document 62-16(5), Northwest Territories Water Stewardship Strategy; Tabled Document 75-16(5), Response to the Joint Review Panel for the Mackenzie Gas Project on the Federal and Territorial Governments’ Interim Response to “Foundation for a Sustainable Northern Future”; Tabled Document 103-16(5), GNWT Contracts Over $5,000 Report, Year Ending March 31, 2010; Tabled Document 133-16(5), NWT Main Estimates 2011-2012; Tabled Document 135-16(5), Response to the Standing Committee on Social Programs Report on the Review of the Child

and Family Services Act; Bill 4,

An Act to Amend the Social Assistance Act ; Bill 14,

An Act to Amend the Conflict of Interest Act ; Bill 15,

An Act to Amend the Fire Prevention Act ; Bill 17,

An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act ; Bill 18,

An Act to Repeal the Settlements Act ; Bill 19, Municipal Statutes Amendment Act ; Bill 20,

An Act to Amend the Evidence Act ; Minister’s Statement 65-16(5), Devolution Agreement-in-Principle, Impact on Land Claims and Protection of Aboriginal Rights; Minister’s Statement 88-16(5), Sessional Statement, with Mr. Bromley in the chair.

By the authority given me as Speaker by Motion 31-16(5), I hereby authorize the House to sit beyond the daily hour of adjournment to consider the business before the House.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

Bob Bromley

I’d like to call Committee of the Whole to order. We have before us the consideration of tabled documents 4, 30, 38, 62, 75, 103, 133, 135; Bills 4 , 14 , 15 , 17 , 18 , 19 , 20 ; and Ministers’ statements 65 and 88. What is the wish of committee? Mr. Ramsay .

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The committee would like to continue with the Department of Transportation followed by Industry, Tourism and Investment, and also Human Resources today.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

The Chair

Bob Bromley

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . We will continue, then, with Tabled Document 133-16(5), NWT Main Estimates, 2011-2012, and continue with Environment and Natural Resources. Is committee agreed?

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Some Hon. Members

Agreed.

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Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

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The Chair

Bob Bromley

So let’s see. We were on page… Thank you, committee. Actually, I guess we did complete ENR and we’re on the Department of Transportation. That’s right. We had the general comments yesterday. It must have been late last night. At any rate, what we’ll do is take a quick break and come back to it.

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Bob Bromley

I’d like to call Committee of the Whole to order. We are on the Department of Transportation. I would like to ask the Minister if he will be bringing witnesses into the House. Mr. Minister.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Yes, Mr. Chair.

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Bob Bromley

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. I would ask the Sergeant-at-Arms to please escort the witnesses into the House.

I’d like to ask the Minister to please introduce his witnesses.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

With me on my right I have Mr. Russell Neudorf, the deputy minister of Transportation. On my left I have Mr. Daniel Auger, the assistant deputy minister of Transportation.

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Bob Bromley

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Committee, we were on general comments. I’m sure that we totally finished them. Are there any more general comments before I ask the Minister to respond? Seeing none, I’d like to ask the Minister to please respond to general comments.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I’d like to thank the Members for the comments they’ve made and the concerns they’ve raised. The comments around the Deh Cho Bridge, of course, have been consistent. The project is a very massive undertaking from a government standpoint and probably one of the biggest projects in the Northwest Territories at this point.

The project initially was put together with concerns to address a number of concerns that were being raised, concerns of safety, concerns of potential environment contamination, concerns over greenhouse gas, and of course to remove the bottleneck that has been challenging the traffic on the north side of the river for many years now. The P3 project that was initially undertaken to address it was faced with a number of challenges. Of course today we are in a position where we have this project as part of our projects that are being developed and delivered by the Government of the Northwest Territories.

I just wanted to speak to some of the issues that were raised by the MLAs regarding the bridge first, and then some general comments on others.

First of all I wanted to state that the concern over wording is something that we should be clear about. Words that were used initially on how we reported revenues and expenses that were acceptable under the concession agreement are, now that our reporting is different because this is a government project we are using different terms. When we speak -- and Mr. Ramsay raised the concern of my use of “cost savings” on the project -- we should be clear that what I was referring to was cost savings that would be incurred from no longer having to operate the ferry or construct the ice bridge on an annual basis.

Of course, under the whole process with the concession agreement, the savings would have been used to pay off the interest and principal of the bridge debt. Now these revenues of course are part of our expenses.

The use of a special purpose fund that was required under the concession agreement was of course not going to be required. We can’t confuse revenues with profits. We will be using different terminology. We are now required to include the expenses and our revenues as part of our

budgeting process and will be reporting through the mains as we present our budgets.

There has also been indication that a report undertaken by the Auditor General will be tabled in this House on March 1

and we look forward to

that. We have worked very closely with the Auditor General. I have to say that given that we have now undertaken to build the Deh Cho Bridge as a government project, having also to do a forensic audit or an audit of this nature has really stretched our resources and has caused a lot of work on our already very busy staff.

We still continue to work on issues that were raised by a number of our colleagues here in the House on the opening date. We still have that as a target. Of course, it’s something that we have to work very hard with the contractors to continue to work and try to deal with all the challenges that are put before us. The cost is also an issue that we’re very much mindful of as we move forward. There are a lot of things that are happening on the bridge project. Construction is moving forward. We’re happy with the progress over the last little while. We would expect that’s going to continue.

We also heard from Mr. Abernethy the concerns he brought forward and some of his desires to see the Mackenzie Valley Highway continue to move forward. We’re quite happy that we were able to sign agreements with all the different Aboriginal governments and groups along the highway route. Many of the project description reports are to a stage where they should be signed off in the next little while. There are others that have been just undertaken and they will take a little bit longer. We had given ourselves a two-year time frame, however things are progressing well. We’re quite happy with the work that has been done on that front.

To the comment about having further chipsealing done or paving, we certainly agree that we need to do more. I think I indicated last year that it’s our desire to do a lot more chipsealing. We think it’s a good way to preserve the highway service except it’s very costly at this point to deal with some of the roads that are further north. We’re looking at ways that we can improve that. At this point we have roughly 35 percent of our highways in the NWT that are chipsealed.

We also agree very much that we need to continue to improve our highway infrastructure. This is something that the tourism traffic has made comments about. A number of Members have raised it. We are working to try to accommodate that. There is concern on Highway No. 7 regarding the condition. We’ve had some serious challenges on that front with some of the spring conditions where the road has collapsed and some of the road has eroded. We have over the last three years now tried to budget accordingly to deal with the

reconstruction, but given that there’s been some challenges in erosion and sinkholes, we’ve had to divert some of our dollars. So it doesn’t allow us to move forward as fast as we’d like.

We heard also from Mr. Jacobson regarding the road concerns regarding progress of the Mackenzie Valley Highway. In his riding the road has moved fairly... The project description for that stretch of road has moved forward very quickly. Things have progressed very well and we’re hoping that things in the other parts of the Northwest Territories will go forward as well.

He’s also raised concerns over dust suppression. We agree that it’s a safety issue and that we need to deal with dust suppression. We will continue to put investment to try to alleviate those conditions. Right now, chipseal on the Dempster is something that we need to look at and there are other parts of the Territories that have made the same request.

Mr. Krutko has raised issues about bridges in this House for a number of years now and he’s made it very clear that he’s a firm believer that bridges would not only provide year-round access to the communities but would lower the cost of the pipeline. At this point, the pipeline project does not include a road. We have had discussions with the proponent and voiced our desire to see further roads be constructed parallel to this process. At this point, it’s not as part of the project and I can’t see an indication that that would happen.

We have had good progress also on the road and the PDR work that’s been done on the alignment and engineering assessments on the Mackenzie Valley Highway project. The contract there is going very well. It’s almost done and we hope to conclude that in a positive light.

The Peel River

schedule is something else that was raised. We certainly are willing to sit down and discuss schedules. As long as it doesn’t warrant further investment, we feel we can change the time from in the morning to the mid-morning if that’s the desire of the community; however, we have not engaged in those discussions and would like to do so. We have some time to be able to have that discussion with the community and we’ll have our staff do that.

Mr. Hawkins was very clear in his points about getting the bridge project done and we share the same sentiment. We need to keep moving forward. This project is there for the long term and we have, of course, tried to do that. We want to see this project get completed. However, we have to do it in a way that we don’t compromise on the quality of construction or any areas of safety.

He’s also raised concern about the condition of Highway No. 3 and some of the issues that are coming forward as a result of climate change and of our ice melting and causing some driving

conditions. I drive that road every weekend. Of course, it’s a safe road. I can vouch for that. We certainly would like to see some of the issues that are causing some of the slumping on the road dealt with, but it’s certainly still a safe road if you’re driving it at the driving speeds set.

Mr. Yakeleya raised several issues that were of concern in his riding and we certainly agree that we’ve, in the last two governments, made significant investment in the Mackenzie Valley winter road that has resulted in a lot of improvements. We’ve done a number of bridges in his riding on the winter road and the communities have been very clear to us that it’s something that they’re happy with; however, they still want us to work towards continuing the season when they have the ability to travel south. The quality of the roads is getting better and has been this year.

We’ve received a number of comments stating to that; however, we should point out that there is no oil and gas activity in the Sahtu this year and I think we all would agree that this has resulted in roads that are of better quality. It really points to the fact that when we do have resource development or companies in the area, that they work with us and pay their share to keep the road in good condition.

We have been very busy across the Northwest Territories working with most of the local companies in the area, with the Aboriginal companies or the Aboriginal groups, and the Sahtu has been pretty clear in getting their message to us that they have a short season as to when they can do construction work and for the rest of the season their equipment has to sit while still requiring payment. We recognize that and I think we’ve done a good job across the board. We’ve set a goal to work with communities and work with companies, northern companies, and we’re starting to see some success and we’re starting to see a lot of good work happening from these companies.

We also have been trying to deal with a number of issues that have come forward or have been issues of safety on the winter road. I think with all the grade work and the bridging that we have done, it has alleviated some of those concerns. We have also installed in the last couple of years, I should say, we planned to install quite a few signs. We did 700 last year. We plan to do another 700 on this road. This is still a fairly long winter road and we may need to do more. We also have brought to the attention the issue of the Bear River Bridge that the Member has raised on a number of occasions.

It’s a project that’s ready to go, we just need to have some buy-in from the federal government. We certainly have tried to do our share to open up the winter crossings on the Bear and the bypass at Tulita by putting a little more dollars to get those done.

Mr. Yakeleya also raised a question on what would be in the federal budget for the Mackenzie Valley Highway. I had indicated earlier in this House that that’s something we’ll have to wait and see. I had some discussions with Minister Strahl. He was very clear that he couldn’t give us an answer and we would have to wait.

Mr. Chairman, there are a number of issues that were raised here, there are probably a number of further issues that will be brought up regarding our budget that’s in front of us today, and we look forward to any questions as we move along on this year’s budget.

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Bob Bromley

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Does committee agree that this concludes general comments?

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Bob Bromley

On page 11-7 are the operations expenditure

summary for Transportation. We’ll defer that until after consideration of the details. Please turn to page 8 and we’ll start there with Transportation, information item, infrastructure investment

summary. Agreed?

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Actually, I did have one question and I just about missed it. This is the revenue

summary. Theoretically, the bridge will be operational in November, which means that there are four months that we might expect revenue. Am I just missing it or is it on this page somewhere?

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Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Does committee agree we go back to page 11-9?

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