Debates of Oct. 8th, 1997

This is page numbers 1455 - 1489 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Transition Action Plan

NWT Literacy Week

GNWT Division Transition Action Plan

GNWT Division Transition Action Plan

Broughton Island School Extension

Tribute To The Gonzales Family

Cancer Diagnosis And Treatment Facilities

Ywca Transitional Housing Program

Iqaluit Regional Hospital Funding/construction

Passing Of Mrs. Meg Kuksuk

Balance Of Efforts Required To Create Two New Territories

Returns To Oral Questions 586-13(4): Status Of Personnel Secretariat

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Baffin Regional Hospital Funding

Broughton Island School Extension

Proposed Kitikmeot Regional Hospital

Rcmp Investigation Into GNWT

Division Transition Planning

Re-zoning Yellowknife Airport Land

Cancer Detection Programs

Speech Pathologist In North Slave

Med-emerg Report

Minister's Statement On Transition Planning

Decentralized Nunavut Government

Housing Corporation Agreement With Ywca

Changes To Hunting Regulations

Role As Minister For Nunavut Transition Planning

Tabled Document 108-13(4): Creation Of Two New Territories: Transition Action Plan

Notice Of Motion 22-13(4): Referral Of Td 108-13(4) Transition Action Plan To Committee Of The Whole

Item 16: Motions

Referral Of Td 108-13(4) Transition Action Plan To Committee Of The Whole

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Motion To Defer Clause 1 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 10(1)(

c) Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 11(3)(

c) Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 15 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 16 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 17 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 19 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 20 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 23(1)(

b) Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 24(

d) Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 25 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Delete Subclause 28(3) Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 48 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Defer Clause 52 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 54 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 55 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 56 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 57 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Add Clause 58.1 To Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Add Clause 58.2 To Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Add Clause 59.1 To Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 71(2) Of Bill 6, Child And Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Subclause 88(3) Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 91 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 94 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 1 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 52 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Amend Clause 56 Of Bill 6, Child & Family Services Act

Motion To Add

Preamble To Bill 6, Child And Family Services Act

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 19-13(4) Municipal Statutes Amending Act, No. 2

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 110-13(4): Transition Action Plan

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, later today I will be tabling the GNWT' draft Transition Action Plan for the creation of two new territories. This plan reaffirms our commitment to creating two new territories in the most orderly and responsible manner possible. It also identifies many of the challenges that will face all parties if we are to ensure a successful transition from one territorial government to two. Mr. Speaker, it is important to state at the outset that we recognize that a significant portion of the detail in this plan deals with Nunavut.

I want to assure Members of this House, as the Premier stated in his opening comments for this session, that we will be supplementing this plan with one that provides more detail on the transition costs for the new Western Territory within the next 40 days.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, the Minister responsible for western transition planning, the Honourable Charles Dent , will be tabling in this House next week a further report that focuses more strictly on the issues related to the transition to a new Western Territory. Mr. Speaker, there are many players in the implementation process: the Interim Commissioner, the Western Coalition, the federal government, Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated, the Nunavut Implementation Commission and the Caucuses of this Legislative Assembly. All of the parties have made significant efforts in the planning phase, however, the time for planning is over and the time for action and implementation has begun.

Mr. Speaker, the fundamental purpose behind tabling this document today is to provide an outline of the steps that need to be taken to see us through the transition period and to create two functioning governments on April 1, 1999. It is important to stress, Mr. Speaker, that this document represents our best analysis of the current situation and is being offered to all of the parties in a spirit of cooperation and partnership. It is simply advice and nothing more.

Although the GNWT will continue to be the government in Nunavut until April 1, 1999, we have no legal mandate to implement transition measures in Nunavut. It is clear that transitional responsibility rests with the Interim Commissioner and the federal government. As I, and my other Cabinet colleagues have stressed over the past two years, the GNWT will do whatever it can to support this process, recognizing that we are dependent, to a large extent, on others to make some critical decisions and on the provision of reasonable funding from the federal government. Mr.

Speaker, in developing this plan, critical information was gathered from all departments. Using key assumptions, we have mapped out the actions and costs necessary for the creation of two new territories by April 1, 1999. Most of the costs identified are not funds that would flow directly to this government, but rather through the office of the Interim Commissioner and the Nunavut government.

The plan assumes that critical headquarters functions will be up and running in Nunavut on April 1, 1999, but that other headquarters positions will not yet be in place. Mr. Speaker, this reality is accepted by all parties and forms the basis for existing federal funding assumptions. Mr. Speaker, another important consideration in the development of the plan is the revised

schedule for completion of the infrastructure required in many Nunavut communities. This new

schedule will result in further administrative challenges in managing the transition period, particularly for the office of the Interim Commissioner. There are many core functions that must be in place (either staffed or contracted) for Nunavut to operate as a government on April 1, 1999.

Mr. Speaker, there will very likely be a need for the Nunavut government to request the Western Territory to provide some services under contract on a cost recovery basis for a period of time. It is important that decisions on contracting be made soon to allow the west to retain the key human resources required to provide these services should agreement be reached on this key issue.

Another critical area is that of systems. Governments depend on all types of systems to run and provide services, such as health, motor vehicles and courts. These systems need to be in place early and it takes money and lead time to do this. Key decisions must be made and adequate funding must be put in place very soon to ensure that these systems are in place for the Nunavut government on April 1, 1999. The plan identifies significant transition costs leading up to and after April 1, 1999.

These affect both west and east and include such costs as staffing, removal expenses, office space and data management systems. Mr. Speaker, as Members are aware the federal government has already provided $150 million in funding for the transition to a new Nunavut government. While this funding was and is extremely important in moving the process forward, it is important to point out that the federal government had to allocate this funding without the detailed information that we now have at hand for both the east and west. For example, Mr.

Speaker, key staffing decisions such as the hiring of deputy ministers, Legislative Assembly staff and many of the other central legal, financial systems and personnel staff need to be made as soon as possible. These decisions may result in costs that were not anticipated in the federal government's original transition plan.

The total amount of resources required, as identified in the draft plan, exceed those funds identified by the federal government to date. It is fair to say that the Government of the Northwest Territories has been concerned about these transitional costs for some time, but this document now quantifies the additional financial resources that will be required for implementation. Mr. Speaker, I spoke with the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development about this matter last month and our officials have been meeting to consider how best to deal with these concerns.

I am pleased to inform the House that Minister Stewart has agreed to a table that will allow all parties to assess the transition costs identified by the Government of the Northwest Territories.

--Applause

It is important to point out, Mr. Speaker, that it is our view that significant progress must be made on the resolution of these outstanding costs so the creation of Nunavut and the Western Territory becomes a reality. Given the current fiscal position of the Government of the Northwest Territories, there is no provision within our current budget for transitional costs nor is there any flexibility to redirect funding to this end.

Simply put, the Government of the Northwest Territories cannot shoulder the costs to the detriment of program funding for the existing GNWT and the future Nunavut and western territorial governments. At a minimum, we are looking to the federal government for assurance that a reasonable level of funding to cover the transition costs, as outlined in the plan, will be covered off.

A few examples of the issues and the estimated cost of implementation:

- recruiting for Nunavut headquarters positions - $20 million

- regional office decentralization - $18 million

- headquarters down-sizing, office space rationalization - $11 million

The need for additional funding to ensure an adequate transition cannot be understated. A clear and timely commitment from the federal government is vital to the implementation process. Nevertheless there is much that can and must occur, to get the ball rolling-decision points for many of these issues rest with the Interim Commissioner:

- hiring of critical senior staff must begin immediately,

- decisions on computer systems must be made immediately,

- requests to the GNWT for contracting back for services not yet fully functional by 1999 must be made very soon.

Mr. Speaker, any discussion of transition measures, particularly as they relate to Nunavut, would not be complete without considering the issue of decentralization. As Members of this House are aware, the Government of the Northwest Territories has continually supported the concept of a decentralized government for Nunavut so long as it was efficiently designed and that adequate federal financing was made available. The Government of the Northwest Territories remains committed to the implementation of the decentralized model of government for Nunavut on this basis.

Mr. Speaker, the draft transition plan deals specifically with the steps that are required to ensure that decentralization proceeds. It includes an estimate of approximately $18 million as the one-time costs associated with decentralization. In our view, this information will be critical to the office of the Interim Commissioner and the future Nunavut government to ensure that decentralization occurs as quickly and efficiently as possible. Mr. Speaker, this plan is not a request by the GNWT for $136 million.

This plan is really an alert to all of the parties that there are significant transition costs associated with creating two territories. This plan is a guide for action. It is not a perfect document nor does it contain all of the answers, however, it does outline the order of magnitude to the task at hand. We hope that all of the parties, particularly the Interim Commissioner and the federal government, will take this information and use it as a guide for action.

Mr. Speaker, creating two territories is a massive challenge-one which few governments have ever had to deal with. This transitional action plan offers a path towards that goal and also provides a realistic assessment of the opportunities and constraints along the way. I hope that all of the parties will view it accordingly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 110-13(4): Transition Action Plan

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 111-13(4): NWT Literacy Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this week has been designated Literacy Week across the Northwest Territories. It provides us with an opportunity to celebrate the importance of literacy in our lives and the role it plays in strengthening our society. In this age of economic, social and political change; literacy means more than the basic ability to read and write. Literacy skills include a person's ability to understand and use information. These skills are essential in a world where daily living requires complex thinking and communication skills.

The importance of a literate society can be measured in terms of people's ability to find jobs and their success in the workplace, participation in further education and training opportunities or active participation in the social and cultural life of communities. Our ability to maintain and support our cultural traditions is also linked directly to literacy. The ability to read and write in aboriginal languages ensures that these languages remain vital and have a valid place within northern society. Literacy is an issue that requires the attention and support of all northerners.

The Department of Education, Culture and Employment has developed partnerships with the colleges, community-based organizations, business and industry and the federal government to deliver a variety of projects across the Northwest Territories. This year, these partnerships have supported the delivery of more than 50 projects through the Community Literacy Projects fund, the Workplace Education program and the Aboriginal Languages Literacy program.

With the support of the National Literacy Secretariat, both Aurora College and Nunavut Arctic College are involved in the delivery and support of literacy projects as well.

Another important partner is the NWT Literacy Council. The Literacy Council is playing an increasingly important role in developing and maintaining links among literacy practitioners across the Northwest Territories and in providing support to communities in the development of sustainable literacy programming. Every year during Literacy Week, the NWT Literacy Council sponsors the "Read for 15" challenge. Residents across the NWT are invited to read for 15 minutes, and then phone the NWT Literacy Council to record their participation. Schools, the colleges, community groups and individuals all take part.

Last year, thousands of people took up the challenge. Today is the day the "Read for 15" challenge is being held this year. I would, therefore, like to issue a friendly challenge to all Members of this Assembly to read for 15 minutes, then call the Literacy Council here in Yellowknife, or alternatively, a school or learning centre in your home community to ensure your participation is recorded.

On behalf of the government, I would like to commend the hard work and dedication shown by both literacy learners and practitioners in their commitment to a more literate society in the Northwest Territories.

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Minister's Statement 111-13(4): NWT Literacy Week

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 446-13(4): GNWT Division Transition Action Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to rise today on behalf of the Members of the Nunavut Caucus to indicate our collective support for the government's transition plan for the creation two new territories-the Transition Action Plan that the Honourable John Todd has outlined in his Minister's statement and which will be tabled in this House later today.

Mr. Speaker, Members of Nunavut Caucus recognize that this plan is not, I repeat not a blue print for decentralized Nunavut government as proposed in Footprint 2 and agreed to by all parties. This is a concern to us all, Mr. Speaker, and to all our constituents that the implementation of the decentralized government structure is not the responsibility of the GNWT nor is it possible to achieve in the few short months remaining.

While we recognize that fact, Mr. Speaker, we also recognize we have a duty to the people of Nunavut and that duty is to ensure an orderly transition to a reportable, functioning government in Nunavut on April 1, 1999.

In the 18 short months remaining, we must move quickly within our mandate to establish as many functioning components of Nunavut government as we realistically can within the limit of the transitional fund provided by the federal government.

Mr. Speaker, in the absence of any other plan or direction we believe this government has taken the necessary steps to develop a realistic plan that proposes to do the most we can and the least we must do to ensure essential government function in Nunavut on April 1, 1999.

Of course, this is subject to federal recognition and remuneration of the transition costs laid out in the plan. Mr. Speaker, time is of the essence. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 446-13(4): GNWT Division Transition Action Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Natilikmiot is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Ningark , you have unanimous consent.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, colleagues. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, time is of the essence. Mr. Speaker, we must move now. Members of the Nunavut Caucus are hopeful that this transitional plan will receive a favourable response from all colleagues in the west, Nunavut Tunngavik Incorporated, our partners in the east and particularly the office of the Interim Commissioner.

We must move forward together, Mr. Speaker. Our pace must be swift if we are to accomplish even the minimal, yet crucial task this plan calls for. We may be able to do more, Mr. Speaker; but not alone. It will take the combined and co-operative effort of all parties to achieve our goal of the functioning Nunavut government on April 1, 1999.

That will only be the beginning, Mr. Speaker. We have not given up on our dream of a decentralized Nunavut government that is, responsive and responsible to all our people. That is what they want, Mr. Speaker. That is what they need.

Mr. Speaker, but we can only assure that dream if we move now to establish a foundation on which to build the model we want. Individually, we are all disappointed that we are not further along in our preparation for our new government and our new territory, Mr. Speaker; but we are at the critical point in what will come to be known as the history of Nunavut and we must move forward in concert and with conviction. Mr. Speaker, our history and our future will be reflected of our dreams. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 447-13(4): GNWT Division Transition Action Plan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today as chair of the Western Caucus to offer my comments on the governments draft transition plan for the creation of two new territories. This plan is an important step in detailing both the transition measures that need to be taken and the costs associated with that transition from now until April 1, 1999.

It is clear that a lot of work needs to be done to put into place the infrastructure, staff and systems required for the Nunavut Government. Mr. Speaker, the one clear message from this plan is if the creation of two new territories is going to be done in an orderly way, the federal government must assume its obligation to pay all transition costs related to both new territories.

Ultimately, it is the federal government which has responsibility to create two viable new territories. Without federal leadership a smooth transition will not occur. Time is a critical factor, with only 541 days remaining until division. We look forward to clear and timely direction from the federal government on how they intend to proceed on transition costs.

Mr. Speaker, since 1981, this House and people of the western Arctic have consistently supported the creation of Nunavut. With only 18 months until division, the challenge today is to ensure the transition is smooth and orderly as possible in both the west and Nunavut. Mr. Speaker, in meeting that challenge, greater focus must be placed on dealing with western transitional issues. The Western Caucus is anxious to review the more detailed issue description of transition costs for the west which is now being prepared by the government.

We also look forward to the report to be tabled by the western transition Minister early next week. This will be a key element in setting a course of action for the west in preparing for the creation of two new territories in the coming days and months.

Mr. Speaker, the discussions on the financial arrangements for the two new territories is another critical element of the division process. We are taking an active

part in these discussions with our partners on the western coalition. Furthermore, the work being done in partnership with the Aboriginal Summit on the Constitutional Working Group will be vital in creating a new vision for the Western Territory.

Mr. Speaker, I believe a more complete picture of what faces the two new territories in planning for division is emerging which will allow this House to start focusing on the measures which need to be addressed now.

Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous consent to complete my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Thebacha is requesting unanimous support to conclude his statement. Do I have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Miltenberger , you have unanimous consent.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we plan for transition for two new territories, it is important to emphasize that division must in no way lead to reduction in program and services levels in the west. The public have already suffered from considerable government cutbacks and should not be expected to endure more cuts to finance transition costs.

The task in front of us appears to be enormous and daunting. However, this assembly has successfully dealt with challenges of this magnitude in dealing with the deficit. We must as MLAs take this opportunity to shape the new territories with confidence and vigour. There is a great opportunity here to create two new territories which are bold and visionary. Let us not shrink before this grand undertaking, the likes of which may never be seen in Canada again. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 448-13(4): Broughton Island School Extension

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, before I was elected, I was a teacher in the classroom. Being a teacher today is not an easy job, as we all know. The priorities are the students themselves. The students have to be in a friendly and safe environment. At present, the Inuksuit School in Broughton Island is overcrowded and planning for the addition of the school is to start in the year 2000 to 2001. Building of the addition is to take place in the year 2001 to 2002. The community would like to have the date for this project moved forward. The classrooms are overcrowded and this makes it hard for the students to learn.

The Community Education Counsel and Hamlet Counsel in Broughton Island have both written letters asking that additions be built sooner. They have had no success to date. We know that in times where there is little money for us to operate with, the community of Broughton Island feels that this is the time where the government may have to relook at their priorities. Four years is too long to wait for a school addition that was needed a year ago. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 448-13(4): Broughton Island School Extension

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 449-13(4): Tribute To The Gonzales Family

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the nature of our role here in the House is often to draw attention to deficiency and shortcomings in our regions. But today I would like to balance with a tribute to a Hay River family.

Hay River boasts many remarkable families that I could speak about, but my attention was again recently drawn to the accomplishments of the Gonzales family. Romeo and Tessie Gonzales immigrated to Canada from the Philippines in 1967. Romeo has been a teacher in the Northwest Territories since 1968. He has been actively involved in the promotion of sport and recreation having been recognized by Sport North as both Sportsman of the Year and Coach of the Year.

His contribution to northern youth is difficult to adequately quantify, but I know many young lives have been affected by his dedication. Tessie Gonzales also began her life in the Northwest Territories as a teacher, but soon took time out from her career to fulfil her proudest accomplishment as a mother. While raising three boys, she found time to substitute teach, teach religious education and donate her efforts to charitable organizations. She presently serves on the District Education Authority and the Counsel for Disabled Persons.

The Gonzales three sons are now emulating their parents' values in their service to community and their dedication to excellence. Ronald, the youngest, recently graduated from the University of Saskatchewan with a degree in Physical Activity Studies and is now working on a second degree in Education. Ronald's recognition as the Northwest Territories Male Athlete of the year in 1994 is one amongst many national and international achievements in wrestling and coaching far too numerous to mention.

Raymond Gonzales recently graduated with a B.A. Majoring in Economics. He was the recipient of the Economic Development and Tourism bursary in 1995 and is currently studying for his Master's Degree in Finance and Economics at the University of Alberta. Raymond has also earned numerous designations in the martial arts and competitive rifle shooting.

Roderick, the eldest Gonzales son, graduated from the University of Alberta in April this year with a Bachelor of Science degree in Engineering. It was the Hub's coverage of Roderick's most recent recognition in Edmonton this month which reminded me again of the excellent ambassadors that the Gonzales have been for Hay River and for the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 449-13(4): Tribute To The Gonzales Family

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The honourable Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do I have any nays? There are no nays. Mrs. Groenewegen , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 449-13(4): Tribute To The Gonzales Family

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This latest award that Roderick has received is in addition to a growing list of awards and commendations. Including, but not limited to, the Peter Lougheed's Scholarship, the Shell Scholarship in Engineering, the Tom Chambers Award, the Dean Research Award in Chemical and Mineral Engineering, the Charles Noble Award for student leadership, the Golden Geer Award for outstanding contribution of engineering students, and the NWT Scholarship from the Association of Professional Engineers and Geophysicists. That is a long list and Roderick is also an accomplished musician.

We often wait for special occasions to recognize contributions of our constituents, but I thought it would be appropriate to remind ourselves today that although assisted by exceptional parents as tutors and mentors, the Gonzales' children were born, raised and educated in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 450-13(4): Cancer Diagnosis And Treatment Facilities

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker as of

March 31, 1997, a total of 125 new cases of cancer were reported in the NWT Cancer registry for the period from 1990 to 1996, for the Baffin Region only. In my constituency for the same time period, there were a total of 15 cases reported, nine in Arctic Bay, four in Grise Fiord, two in Resolute.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 451-13(4): Ywca Transitional Housing Program

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I would like to thank the NWT Housing Corporation and the YWCA. It did an excellent job earlier this year by finding a way to do more for people in transition by spending fewer tax dollars. I am referring to the decision to shift the YWCA's transitional housing program from Northern United Place to the Rock Hill apartment complex in Yellowknife. This excellent move took a program to serve individuals and families out of an institutional high rise and set it up in a building more suited to its objectives. Because of this move, the government has also saved about $200,000 annually that it had contributed towards the program.

A lot of people throughout the north come here to make changes in their lives. Approximately half of the YWCA's current clients come from communities from throughout the north. The other half are Yellowknife residents trying to re-build their lives. All of them are involved in either job searches, life-skill training programs or educational upgrading. Long term projects that will eventually lead to a better quality of life for those people.

Transitional housing has also helped families who have made the difficult decision to leave a battering or abusive spouse who have used up their six weeks crisis housing at McAteer House. A lot of people need programs like the YWCA's transitional housing program in order to turn their lives around. It is incumbent upon this government, therefore, to invest those savings from this program back into this community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements, Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 452-13(4): Iqaluit Regional Hospital Funding/construction

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Page 1460

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker over the past two weeks there have been many concerns raised with the financing of the construction of the new hospital to be built in Iqaluit. This hospital is to serve the people of the Baffin Region. It was first discussed in the 1988 health transfer agreement between the GNWT and the federal government. Subsequent to that agreement was a commitment in letter form to replace, not renovate the existing facilities. Mr. Speaker, last week the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo chaired the meeting with the chair of the Health Board, Ms.

Ann Hanson, and the chief executive officer of the Health and Social Services Board, Ms. Pat Kermain. The Baffin MLA along with Minister Ng and senior officials with the Department of Health and Social Services also participated. The discussions were a combination of meetings held between myself, Ms. Hanson and Kermain, going back to November, 1995.

This past summer at the Baffin Member's meeting and again with the chairs of the Nunavut health boards and Finance Minister Todd, we met in Iqaluit to discuss the construction and funding for the facility. The confusion, Mr. Speaker, in the media and with the public at large needs to be clarified.

First of all, the question of replacement and renovation, it has always been our understanding that the federal commitment based on the original 1988 agreement called for a contribution based on the aboriginal population of the region preceding construction. Today, that is approximately 85 percent. After questioning the Minister of Health and Social Services in this House, it came out that the federal government had issued approximately $10 million since the 1988 agreement to the Government of the Northwest Territories.

This money, as per the understanding, would be accessed for the first facility under the 1988 agreement, Inuvik or the Baffin hospital to be built. However, the money was, as is the custom, deposited in a consolidated revenue fund and had been spent. Thus, the Government of the Northwest Territories has to replace these funds.

With the deficit reduction plans in place, it is outside the monetary ability of the government to finance both Inuvik and Baffin hospitals from general revenue, and therefore, private financing in conjunction with the Government of the Northwest Territories is needed to build the facilities.

The meetings held over the past 22 months and again last week were to discuss and update these plans. With the clock ticking towards division, it is imperative to begin these projects during this, the last budget cycle of the Government of the Northwest Territories. The concern in the Baffin region was the accessing of private financing to help facilitate the construction of the hospital. On August 7th, in Iqaluit, a mechanism to accomplish this was signed by Ms. Hanson and Jerry Ell, chief executive officer of the Qikiqtaaluk Corporation.

Mr. Speaker, I would seek unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Iqaluit is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays. There are no nays. Mr. Picco , you have unanimous consent.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you to my colleagues, first time. Regarding our meetings last week and conversations, Mr. Speaker, I want to assure the people of Iqaluit and the residents of the Baffin region that the Deputy Premier, Goo Arlooktoo , and the other Baffin MLAs are committed to having the new Baffin hospital proceed on time and on budget. We have been working on this as I stated earlier for several months. The project has not stalled and we are now in the functional and program design stage. The recent media reports have caused some concern and I understand the anxiety. However, Mr.

Speaker, this project has never been taken lightly. We are aiming for the construction to commence this fall. That has not changed. I understand today that the Minister for Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng , has accepted the resignation of Ms. Ann Hanson for the chair of the Baffin Regional Health Board. Mr. Speaker, Ann Hanson has worked tirelessly for the people of Baffin, as chair of the health board and I know personally the work and long hours she spent above and beyond the call of duty in that position. I respect her decision and thank her for her support and friendship. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements, Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 453-13(4): Passing Of Mrs. Meg Kuksuk

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak of the sudden death of Mrs. Meg Kuksuk. Mr. Speaker, Meg was a respected elder and an active member in the community of Arviat. I am sure my fellow members will join me in offering our sincere condolences to the Kuksuk family, relatives and friends. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 454-13(4): Balance Of Efforts Required To Create Two New Territories

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the last several months, I have heard many concerns about the process leading up to the creation of the two new territories. The concerns seem to be centred around the number of reports prepared on behalf of Nunavut as opposed to the number prepared for the new Western Territory. These concerns have to be dealt with and put to rest, when one looks at the facts. We in the west, have a tried and proven method of delivery of services to the public. This method, I suggest, will not change at least until after division.

Nunavut, on the other hand, has to start from scratch, hence, the amount of paper and planning required by and for Nunavut, to design, plan and implement which is no daunting task when creating a new system of government for an area the size of Nunavut. For the most part, we in the west have much less to do in regard to implementation. Mr. Todd , today, talked about opportunities and Mr. Speaker, I believe division does hold opportunities for the competent bureaucrats that are already in place here in the west.

For Nunavut to have in place, a necessary infrastructure to house the workers required to administrate the programs of the new government will not be a reality by division.

Mr. Speaker, given the fiscal constraints, which all governments must operate under, I would suggest an opportunity exists for the present bureaucracy to contract out its highly skilled work force to the new territory of Nunavut, at least until the necessary infrastructure is in place. All parties should look at concerns that have been raised and fears expressed by one side or the other not getting a fair break in regard to assets and liabilities or formula financing.

I would fight to those concerns as follows: the expertise in preparing the implementation of the information that decisions are made are worked up senior bureaucrats who have years of education and training along with an indepth knowledge of the north and its people. I have seen the work of these individuals which have produced, and am pleased to say, I am impressed with the quality and simplicity of the approach.

On the question of formula financing, this is a little more difficult. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Henry , you have unanimous consent.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On the question of formula financing. This is a little more difficult. The area or issue will be an engagement between the federal government and each of the two new governments. For the most part, Mr. Speaker, in the west we will not see in most communities any noticeable change.

Teachers will still be in the classroom, health care will still be provided by the same method of delivery as is presently in place, et cetera, et cetera. The only qualifier to the above is the amount of dollars Ottawa provides in the formula financing to each of the two new territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Returns To Oral Questions 586-13(4): Status Of Personnel Secretariat

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Ootes , the status of personnel secretariat. On October 3, 1997 Mr. Ootes asked how many individuals and how many positions were left in the personnel secretariat. There are eight positions in the personnel secretariat, of these eight positions, two are currently vacant, six are staff. Two of the six staff are on transfer assignment and one of the staff is on leave prior to retirement. Thank you.

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Returns To Oral Questions 586-13(4): Status Of Personnel Secretariat

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Thompson .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have the opportunity to recognize very many people in the gallery but today, I would like to recognize the senior administrative officer of Repulse Bay up there in the white shirt and his name is Sheldon Dory and also the Mayor, Steve Mapsalak of Repulse Bay. They are here meeting with officials of some departments.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my pleasure today to recognize Tessie Gonzales, the subject of my Member's statement today. Welcome to the House.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a constituent from Cambridge Bay, Suzie Sim. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to recognize Sue Enge and her daughter, Nicole Rosanne Enge. Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Could you ask her to wave to the Members? Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 621-13(4): Baffin Regional Hospital Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1462

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Finance . It concerns the Baffin regional hospital financing. Can the Minister inform this House at what stage the government is with the funding for the facility?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, I appreciate my colleague's statement today that brought some clarity to the issue, but the reality is up until recently, there was a pinch of dispute between the parties on the conditions in which we set for proceeding with the hospital. One of the conditions we set was the dollar value as in terms of the footprint and I still do not have clarity on that whether all parties agree with that. The other condition that we set was we wanted consideration given that we would privately finance this hospital or partially privately finance it .

The consumer's concession should be given to the Kitikaluit Development Corporation as was being given to all other parties in Inuvik and Rankin. I do not, to this date, have confirmation of those two conditions I have met. When I do, we will proceed.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Question 621-13(4): Baffin Regional Hospital Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister assure this House that the new Baffin/Inuvik hospitals will not be put at risk because of the proposed construction of other health facilities?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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Question 621-13(4): Baffin Regional Hospital Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Well, Mr. Speaker, I can tell them that the desire of this government is to proceed with these hospitals as we have said consistently. The only thing that is going to put us at risk is the inability for compromise to be reached by his colleagues in Baffin. He brings forward a compromise and understanding that we meet the conditions that I have said. I want to be clear in this House the conditions we set with respect to the fiscal framework and the cost that we felt that we can afford as well as an arrangement to be made with the people of Baffin Island.

We will proceed an expeditious way to move forward on the development of this hospital proposal. But it is not our position to ask for the position. How could I put it, Mr. Speaker. We are still waiting on confirmation that those two conditions will be met. Once we have reached that, we will be prepared to move forward in an aggressive way to proceed with the construction of both Inuvik and the Iqaluit hospitals. It will not be to the detriment of any other health facilities that we are planning. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are a lot of truths and half truths, innuendo and rumours concerning the funding of these hospitals because of the convoluted nature of the agreement since 1988. I wonder if the Minister of Finance can confirm the federal commitment being offered by the federal government on the construction of both facilities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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Further Return To Question 621-13(4): Baffin Regional Hospital Funding

Question 621-13(4): Baffin Regional Hospital Funding

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, everybody keeps talking about the 1988 agreement or the 1986 agreement, the rules of engagement have changed dramatically since then. We were not in up to the fiscal position that we are in now as we were then. So, I think it is important to point out to my colleague that what we are trying to do is find a creative, innovative solution to the development of the hospital facilities that are required across the territories. That is our desire. I have recruited, as I said last week, a technical expert on the public/private partnerships.

We are raising to try to get that put together so that we can bring a policy forward to Cabinet to get approval. Once that is done, we can sit down with the parties that are interested in financing these new hospitals and move forward. It is also my understanding that Mr. Ng has given, and is prepared to give, the monies necessary for the program and facility planning to the boards. We are on side, as I said to my colleague. He has to get to his colleagues in Baffin on side on this issues. It is not us that is holding this issue up.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1462

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have had several meetings in the Baffin Region during the Baffin Leaders' Summit in July where we had agreements and also the meeting with Mr. Todd in August. I do not see any difficulty in the Baffin Region. Will the Minister be meeting in the near future with our partners, the developers and financiers, to work

out the logistics of the funding of the construction in the near future? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

A note to my colleagues in the House, I have a copy of the letter from Mr. Jeriel advising me that the Baffin hospital board has rejected their proposal that they be a partner in the development of this hospital facility. I am prepared to move forward when we get confirmation that the Baffin Board is prepared to accept 1) that there has to be public/private partnership approach to this issue; 2) that it is within the fiscal framework that we outlined to them at a meeting that I thought we had an agreement on and found out later we did not. So I am not prepared to move and any further discussions until such time as I get clarity on those two issues.

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Question 622-13(4): Broughton Island School Extension

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be speaking in Inuktitut. As I stated earlier during my Member's statement the students in Broughton Island have a very small classroom. The teachers are suffering because of the small classroom that is provided to him or her and the educational board in Broughton Island met and discussed this problem. They had requested that the building of the additional classroom be put ahead because the plan is far into the future yet, and they do not want to wait for this date for the additional classroom to be built.

I would like to ask the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment as to whether or not this could be brought forward ahead of time rather than being done on the date that it is supposed to be done. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Member appears to be identifying a problem with the space shortfall. According to my notes, the school in Broughton Island is expecting to have about 142 students this year--full time equivalent students. That would have put the use of the school at about 75 or 76 percent. Mr. Speaker, it would not normally be the position of this government to advance a project unless the enrolment was over 80 percent and there was a projection for the population to continue to grow. But Mr.

Speaker, I will be happy to confer with my honourable colleague and discuss what he sees is the issue and ensure that the figures that we have within the department are accurate. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 623-13(4): Proposed Kitikmeot Regional Hospital

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1463

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . By the way, welcome back Mr. Ng . On September 29, 1997, a letter was written to the honourable Minister from Pauluongayak representing the steering committee, health discharge to natal to postnatal additional program and so on. We recognize the fact that there is a government plan to build a regional hospital in Cambridge Bay in this riding health care to Kitikmeot region until it happens to be a community of that region.

Sometime when you come up with a solution, there are times that you also have a consequence. Mr. Speaker, a number of questions came out from the community of Taloyoak. One is, will that hospital provide the services which are currently provided by Stanton Regional Hospital? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is a regional health facility, and the scope of what services would be available would be determined after a program review and based on what can be affordable. First of all, based on what the Kitikmeot health board and leaders in the region would expect as far as having services that possibly could be delivered in the region. That type of program would still have to be determined as we entered into some of the planning stages for the regional health facility, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the Minister, there are times when we see a stage plan that has never seen a reality, but there are times when merely a plan becomes a reality. Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question is that since we are planning to build a hospital in Cambridge Bay, is not there any thought given to providing a boarding facility for the people of the Natilikmiot Region in the event the hospital is built? Thank you.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is a bit premature to be speaking on whether or not there would be boarding facilities required. As we know now there are some services that are centralized in Cambridge Bay. For example, I use the orthodontist where they bring in patients from the other communities and they home board a lot of those individuals or place them in the hotels if there is no home boarding available in order to try to provide a more

efficient service that is regionally based. Again, it would be determined on what services would be available and what needs would be there in some of the planning, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral question. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the same Minister, in line of my questioning, we used to have a pilot project in Taloyoak which, I believe, was established in 1989 that was to provide a birthing program for Taloyoak, Pelly Bay and Gjoa Haven. I am wondering if the Minister will continue to recognize that program and continue to provide services and funding that may be required by that community even when the hospital is built. I understand that it is currently in the planning stage only. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would say it is safe to say that it is not even in the planning stage except for the fact that it is a conceptual project right now that is supported by the health board, supported by the ministry and supported by leaders in the region in trying to develop a facility that can hopefully reduce some of the travel and expand some of the services that may be available in the region if it is not available in the local community. The direction of this government is for health and social services.

We are going to try to provide as much services as possible in their home communities so people do not have to leave and do not have to disrupt the normal routine of their lives in trying to receive treatment. Secondly, if that is the case where they do have to leave the community, then at least try to retain them within the region if it is economical to do so and if the service can be efficiently provided, Mr. Speaker. Failing that of course, going to the centre where the services would be available. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 624-13(4): Rcmp Investigation Into GNWT

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1464

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier . A question was left open yesterday regarding the RCMP investigation underway within the Government of the Northwest Territories. I asked the Premier if he has asked Members of his Cabinet whether they are the subject of an RCMP investigation and the Premier said no, he had not asked each and every Member. But later he said he would undertake to do that. My question is, has the Premier now asked each and every member of Cabinet about this? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Premier tell us what the response was from Members. Sorry, I will ask that question. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have asked Members of Cabinet and each Minister has assured me that they have not been informed officially by any party that they are subject to any kind of investigation by the RCMP, but I was unable to ask other Members of the Assembly. I will leave that up to Mr. Ootes . He is the chairman of the Ordinary Members Caucus. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

To clear the air, Mr. Speaker. As the Premier said yesterday, there are a lot of rumours and innuendo going around, and I appreciate his response. Thank you. My question is, will the premier inform us if there is official notice of the nature of this investigation into the GNWT?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would suggest the Member read Hansard, it was the same question he asked yesterday. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 625-13(4): Division Transition Planning

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1464

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for Division. Division planning has been going on for many months, and it is picking up speed. As of late my colleague from Yellowknife South raised the issue of the possibility of services being provided

from the east to the west as we negotiate our way through the transition of setting up two new territories. Could the Minister indicate how far back this problem was first possibly anticipated? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Division, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it is important if I can, give me a moment, to put into context. I think if we looked somewhat historically, many of us would have hoped that we would be able to have an ideal turn key situation, as we reached April 1, 1999. Where all aspects of the new Nunavut government would be in place. The reality in today's world is that just simply has not happened for a variety of reasons and it is of no fault of anybody.

So it was incumbent upon us when we looked at trying to determine a transition strategy-and I think the key word here is transition-that we would look at what essential ingredients or essential components of government we could put in place and the time left given that we are only one of the drivers in the car. In our best estimate it was clear that there would be a number of services that we would not be able to put into place prior to April 1, 1999.

So, what has been suggested at the official's level between the Interim Commissions officer and my own is if the Interim Commissioner may wish to consider some bilateral arrangements between himself and this government in the delivery of services that will not be in place in April 1, 1999.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate whether this particular issue will be addressed either by himself or his two colleagues in the planning process that is going to be undertaken on behalf of the Northwest Territories and not just the Interim Commissioner. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, I think it is important to point out that the ultimate responsibility for deciding on where Nunavut wishes to purchase these transitional services until such time as the new Nunavut gets fully up and running lies with the Interim Commissioner. Certainly in our planning process we have indicated to his office and his staff that we are prepared to provide that service if they so wish, and we are under discussions right now of some possibilities and some categories as we would provide that service if he so wished.

It is an important component, if you want, of this transition to two new governments, but ultimately the responsibility for purchasing those services lies with Mr. Anawak, the Interim Commissioner.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 626-13(4): Re-zoning Yellowknife Airport Land

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1465

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for the Department of Transportation, Mr. Antoine . I have had a number of constituents approach me about the governments proposal to re-zone land that currently controls the Yellowknife airport. This rezoning would result in the possibility of non-aviation related companies building premises at the Yellowknife airport.

Given that the city of Yellowknife has many unserviced lots available and that there is an over abundance of land available in the city, I have a problem with the government competing with the private sector and the city of Yellowknife. Can the Minister tell me why this government is competing with the private sector as well as the tax-based municipality for the development of land which is in an abundance presently in Yellowknife? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 626-13(4): Re-zoning Yellowknife Airport Land

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Transportation, particularly the airport here in Yellowknife has land around the airport and there is a development plan that has been in place for a number of years now. In this plan there is identification of blocks of land for different uses right at the airport for immediate access to the airport and so forth. We also have land there that is away from the airport between the Mackenzie Highway and the service road where there is non-airport related businesses that have established there and there is land available for such businesses.

The intention of the department of transportation is not to compete against the Yellowknife businesses or the city of Yellowknife. In fact these lands are available for commercial development. They applied to us, and they go through NavCan approval and Transport Canada approval. Then they have to go to the city for the final approval of their development proposal. Once that is done, then the Department of Transportation then receives revenue at the airport for leasing the land, and the city in turn collects the taxes on these properties.

There is a cooperation between the city and the Department of Transportation in developing these lands. We do not regard this whole process as competing with any business in this town. That is not the intention. The intention here is that the Yellowknife airport would like to generate revenue so that it could operate and function as an airport. The rezoning of the whole airport plan is initiated by the department and this is done with the city of Yellowknife and the intention here is to rezone all the airport property so that we have better control of what type of businesses

and what type of commercial enterprises would establish at the airport. We try to have the type of businesses established at the airport that is pure to the airport operation and is related to air services and so forth. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Minister. You had suggested that there was a plan in place for the development. Was this plan transferred with airports or was this plan prepared by the Government of the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this development plan at the Yellowknife airport was last updated in 1994 by Transport Canada while they were still the owners and operators of the airport. There is a need now to further update this land development plan here for the Yellowknife airport and that is what we intend to do by initiating the rezoning process in the city of Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister informs me that this plan was prepared or updated in 1994 so I take it that there was some work done on it prior to 1994. Mr. Speaker, this is 1997, and I would suggest that many developments have occurred in the north which I think have greatly impacted this plan in particular the diamond industry which hopefully will be locating a lot more activities in the north. I am wondering if the Minister has taken that into consideration in this plan and updated the plan further than the 1994 addition that he is talking about. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Tie intention of the department is to complete the work over the next year in conjunction with full consultation with the city and with the airport users and all the stake-holders that might be involved with airport operation. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister commit to receiving the input of land owners presently surrounding the Yellowknife airport and receive their input into this rezoning and uses for the airport land? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this whole process is going to be handled by the city of Yellowknife and their rezoning procedures, so I am sure that anybody that is interested in the Yellowknife airport and wants input will have that opportunity. Thank you.

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Oral questions. Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 627-13(4): Cancer Detection Programs

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as per my Member's statement earlier, my question is directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng . What programs does the department have to speed up the diagnose and treatment process for cancer in small communities? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, through the boards and the health centres there is an annual pap smear program that, I believe, is annual, maybe it is semi-annual, that ladies participate in. Under the well women's clinics some of the self-examination programs and awareness programs for breast cancer, those are the ones specifically that come to mind. I think that for specific cases of diagnoses would depend on the individual coming to the health centres or to the medical clinics, wherever they may be and the professionals assessing their family histories, depending on what types of possible cancer they may be looking for or medical history of the patient. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. How many cancer specialists are currently employed by the Government of the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I may be wrong, but I do not believe that we do employ any specific cancer specialists, although we draw upon the services from other jurisdictions. I think we do have some internists that do have some knowledge of cancer screening programs and that type of thing, but I would have to check into that matter as whether or not we do have specific cancer specialists on staff with any of the boards or with the department, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr Rabesca.

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Question 628-13(4): Speech Pathologist In North Slave

Item 6: Oral Questions

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday during my Member's statement I spoke about my region's need for a speech language pathologist and this government's haphazard response to this important service. This type of service is needed in my region, and I would like to ask the Minister responsible, the Honourable Mr. Ng , when his department will consider transferring this position to the community service board?

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Samuel Gargan

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I guess first of all I would disagree that I do not think it is a haphazard response about this important service. We do recognize there is a need there. The honourable Member for Hay River also brought up this issue about the need of a speech pathologist for Hay River to service her residents.

I agreed when she brought up the issue that I would review what service area and what type of programs that the five speech pathologists based in the Stanton Regional Board have in respect to how often they service the communities and what regions and communities they do service, At that time I can make a decision on what may be a suitable way to try to address some of the needs in the other areas if it is deemed that maybe they are not getting the service that they should be or if the fact remains that the pathologist on staff are maybe overworked and the need to try to assist them in beefing up some of the service to the other areas that may not be as well represented as Yellowknife, Mr.

Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 629-13(4): Med-emerg Report

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . In regards to the Med-Emerg report, Mr. Speaker, in the spring of 1997 there was a consulting firm Med-Emerg International Inc. who had prepared a draft document outlining the proposed health care reforms to be undertaken by the department. We recently met with the members of the medical profession who are quite concerned with the process how the report was put together as well as the report itself, its contents. First of all I would like to know how this firm, Med-Emerg International Inc. was selected as the group to do this report.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe in answering this question in the committee of the whole, I said that the sole-source contract based on the experience that the Med-Emerg International group could bring to the table in facilitating a development of a draft strateg