Debates of Feb. 9th, 2011

This is page numbers 5701 - 5740 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was health .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

Mental Health And Wellness Services

GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

Electric Power Surges In Nunakput

Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

Support For Wrigley High School Students

Practicum Placements For NWT Teacher Assistants

Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

NWT Seniors Charter

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Practicum Placements For NWT Teacher Assistants

Housing For Persons With Disabilities

Electric Power Surges In Nunakput

NWT Seniors Charter

Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

Concerns Of Wrigley High School Students And Parents

GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

Mental Health Services

Sentencing And Rehabilitation Of Violent Offenders

Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

Housing For Persons With Disabilities

Measures To Promote Cultural Diversity In The Public Service

Erosion Of Highway Between Hay River And Enterprise

Costs Of Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

On-The-Land Corrections Programs In The Sahtu

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Written Question 18-16(5): Practicum Placements For Northern Students

Tabled Document 137-16(5): Northwest Territories Law Foundation

Annual Report For The Fiscal Year Ending June 30, 2010

Tabled Document 138-16(5): Office Of The Northwest Territories Languages Commissioner Annual Report, 2009-2010

Small High School Staffing Funding Formula

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:44 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I want to ensure the people of Tu Nedhe that the Premier , in signing the devolution agreement-in-principle with the federal government, has thoroughly gone through some very important details. That is what the Dene leadership in Tu Nedhe want to know.

I’m sure that the Premier was being honest earlier in his term when he said that the work on the devolution agreement was on the backburner. Leaders in my constituency believed him and so did I. However, now the Dene leaders feel that the Premier has been working on the devolution agreement all along. My leaders said to me, he’s been working diligently on the agreement-in-principle in the background all this time.

As I said last week, it was wrong to sign the agreement without the Dene governments on side. It was also noted that there were some other major problems with the AIP and I will speak on some of those today.

It is very possible that running a regulatory system will end up costing more than the federal government has agreed to transfer to us. This is made more likely with the fact that the $65 million pledged to manage the land and resources was not indexed to inflation. It will be easily five years before this transfer takes place. We would basically lose a percentage of that money right off the top.

I’m worried about the cleanup of waste sites. There are many abandoned mines and exploration camps

in Tu Nedhe. I know the federal government has agreed to clean the older sites but I don’t see a commitment or time frame to do that.

We would have to make sure that the federal government isn’t making another empty promise. This could be a great opportunity to create jobs and clean up our environment. It would be essential to the Aboriginal government...

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Beaulieu , your time for your Member’s statement has expired.

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Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

In Tu Nedhe alone, there are 25 waste sites. That’s not counting Pine Point and, of course, all the diamond mines are currently in Tu Nedhe and, therefore, these will require future remediation for sure.

There’s also the issue of cleaning up the more recent industrial sites regulated under the legislation implemented since 1984. The public cleanup required on these, the GNWT will have to pay for 100 percent.

I’ll be asking the Premier questions on this at the appropriate time.

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Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Mental Health And Wellness Services

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is Canadian Mental Health Week and I’d like to offer a few comments on the state of mental health care and wellness.

One of the keys to good mental health is a balanced outlook, so first let’s dwell on the positive. Community commitment and caring are the common threads. We have a long history of the NWT Helpline, where compassionate people give their time and attention to help people get through the hard times. We have the recent partnership of BHP and the Union of Northern Workers putting up $10,000 each for the staging of support groups. The Women in Progress Program jointly staged by the Centre for Northern Families and the Canadian Mental Health Association local

chapter help

women learn skills for healthy choices. Help from the Canada Post Foundation for Mental Health has provided counselling services. Mental Health Week gives us an opportunity to recognize these achievements and I offer my kudos to these people.

Still, the needs are great. There is still no resident psychiatrist practising in the NWT. Although we are fortunate now, having our Yellowknife physicians filled by longer-term locums, access to the care of psychiatrists and psychologists is virtually non-existent in our communities. Twice since the fall we’ve had two major ground searches in Yellowknife looking for people on release from the Stanton mental health unit and missing in the community. One of these unfortunate people has still not been found. When people are released, where can they go?

The city’s new day program, crisis housing and the Centre for Northern Families are where many outpatients end up, but we are relying upon the services of overstretched, non-government organization programs that lack the resources and especially the skilled staff to deal with mental health care. When things go wrong, I am told that there are often difficulties in getting outpatients readmitted; leaving these people parked without care in places already stretched to the max.

While there’s a lot of commitment and some progress, we have to admit that mental health care is often considered an add-on or “nice to,” rather than a central element of care. I will be asking the Minister of Health on the place of mental health care in our total approach to healthy citizens. Mahsi.

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Mental Health And Wellness Services

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I’d like to talk about the response of the Standing Committee on Social Programs report of the review of child and family services that was recently tabled by the Minister of Health and Social Services .

I’m happy that the report was tabled earlier than suspected. I was a little surprised, but I’m happy that it’s here because it gives an opportunity to talk about it early in this session, especially when the health budget is before us.

I have mixed feelings on the response, Mr. Speaker. There’s a lot of good stuff in the response, a lot of positive direction that the department is taking, and the department has accepted 22 of our recommendations full on. They’ve also accepted 13 recommendations in principle and 28

recommendations conditionally, which is good. I’m a little disappointed at the 10 that were, in fact, rejected.

One area of concern that I have is when it comes to the accepted in principle and accepted conditionally recommendations. I’ve read through all of them several times now and there’s some wording in there that concerns me. Often the department will respond, especially when we’re talking about legislation mostly in the areas where they’ve accepted in principle, that what we are asking is already implicit in the act. If it was implicit in the act -- and we’ve all read the act -- we wouldn’t have had to make the recommendation. What we’re looking for is for certain items to be explicit in the act so that it’s hard and fast. I’ll be asking some questions to the Minister about that later.

Often, especially in the conditionally accepted areas, you’ll see where the Minister or the department, or the government I guess in this case, indicates that they agree with the intent of what our recommendations were, but when you actually get into the information and action column, it explains why they can’t or won’t do anything on those particular recommendations; not all of them, some of them. They often indicate within the conditionally accepted area that what we are asking already exists in policy. Once again, Mr. Speaker, we wouldn’t have been asking for the recommendation if we had seen it in action. So it may be in the policy but let’s see some of these things on the floor.

This afternoon during question period I will be asking the Minister some questions on this and seeking a commitment to work with committee as we move forward. The department is planning to do a strategic plan around this area and I think it’s important that we, the Social Programs, sit with the Minister and her department to work out some of our differences in those areas to reach common ground on each of those recommendations in moving forward. That’s what I’ll be talking to the Minister about later today. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Electric Power Surges In Nunakput

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A common concern in my constituency is damage done by extreme power surges of electricity coming into the homes. One constituent has been discussing this problem for some time with the NWT Power Corporation time after time. NTPC has tried to solve the problem, with no success. It may be a part of the problem is the lack of qualified professionals who can truly diagnose what’s going wrong and fix it in the community, Mr. Speaker. This constituent had to wait a long time for a specialist to fly into the community, evaluate the

problem, only to watch the individual climb the power pole, tighten the connection and tell him the problem was fixed. He knew that was unlikely, and sure enough, the power fluctuations continued and he had more damage to his appliances done. Maybe the Power Corporation doesn’t have the resources to hire qualified and knowledgeable professionals.

As a resident of a small, remote community, I know this first hand, the damage done by power surges. This is rarely an issue in larger centres as they get the power failures just as we do but rarely have such extreme fluctuations in their power. This is yet another example of the lower quality of services to our small communities, Mr. Speaker. This should be corrected and NTPC needs to ensure that it reimburses its customers in small communities for appliances that are damaged by poor quality of electricity. This requires them to do proper evaluations of the damage. I hope they have qualified people to do that.

Mr. Speaker, this should be fair and easy to NTPC customers to make complaints about the service, but I couldn’t find any information on how from the Power Corporation on its website.

Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Power Corporation at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Electric Power Surges In Nunakput

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to congratulate the Northwest Territories Metis Nation. There was a signing ceremony today in the media room at noon and the representatives and leadership of their government were on hand to sign and to witness this historic document.

Mr. Speaker, as Ms. Betty Villebrun noted in her comments today, she said: “In signing the agreement-in-principle, the NWT Metis Nation is now in a position to be a part of the negotiations that will ultimately determine the final agreement that will come and will be in the best interests of their citizens.”

When we took office, Mr. Speaker, as the 16

Assembly, as always, we had an eye to the future. We said that our role was to build a foundation and to put in place decisions that would advance the agenda of the people of the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, on January 26

the Government of

the Northwest Territories and the federal government took a bold step in that direction, in my opinion. Today the Metis Nation joined with their

official signing, and this, again, another crucial piece in forming this foundation of how we move forward together as a Territory.

Mr. Speaker, once completed, the devolution agreement will provide us with the resources and decision-making authorities to shape our future. But it is important to remember at the same time, the signing of the AIP is not the conclusion of the work; instead, it is a roadmap to continue to move to a different level of negotiations with the federal government.

The AIP, as it reads, as I said, is simply the beginning. It opens the door to a final agreement and next steps towards that final agreement. Much work is yet to be done, many negotiations still to be completed. I believe that, to that end, the Premier will be going into the different regions of the Northwest Territories to continue to meet and dialogue with the people about this agreement that we have embarked on.

As we have done until now, I am competent that we can and will continue to work together as the Northwest Territories leaders, for the benefit of all of our people. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I today, too, want to comment on the government’s response to the Child and Family Services Act review report. On first reading of those responses, I was disappointed. Although the majority of recommendations are accepted, they are not accepted unconditionally. To paraphrase Mr. Bromley , those responses indicate, yup, we agree, but can’t do anything because there is no money; and yup, we agree, but there is no change required.

The government’s response was determined by examining each recommendation in light of two criteria. One, will it improve service delivery and make a difference to children, family and youth? Two, will it strengthen community and stakeholder confidence in the system? After using these criteria, several extremely important concepts reflected in the Child and Family Services Act review report’s recommendations have been ignored by the government or they have chosen not to act on them.

Firstly, the principle of prevention and early intervention is basic and crucial to improving child and family services in the NWT. Yet the government’s response to that recommendation is do not accept. I am unable to understand how this

principle fails the test of the criteria I already mentioned.

Secondly, the concept of having child and family service committees in our communities is also basic and crucial to improving the implementation of the Child and Family Services Act, but a recommendation to actively pursue establishment of these committees is accepted only if and when money is available. The department did not indicate any willingness to begin work on establishing these community committees in the 2011-12 fiscal year. What value accrues to our child welfare system if we wait 15 months until the start of the 2012-13 year? I say none.

Lastly, most of the committee’s recommendations to make amendments to the act are rejected by the government. Committee suggested the amendments because we felt certain aspects of the child and family services system needed to be mandated, not just implied or allowed. The changes to the system are important enough that the act must require them, not just say they can be done.

Mr. Speaker, I’ve got many other specific concerns with the government response but not the time to speak to them. The CFSA review report was a good one and the recommendations properly implemented can have significant impact on the NWT child and family services system. I hope the government will reconsider its approach to our recommendations and implement some of them in the upcoming budget year, not leave them all for the next Assembly. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Support For Wrigley High School Students

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, during my recent constituency visit to Wrigley in January, I was contacted by the Wrigley DEA members and parents who are concerned that students who went to Fort Simpson for high school were having a lot of problems. If these students are to complete secondary school, their only alternative is to live in Fort Simpson and attend the Fort Simpson high school, and they cannot. Those that do attend are at the expense of the parents.

I am proud that in the past three years there have been a total of 14 children who travelled to Fort Simpson to begin their secondary education. However, I’m sad to say that presently there are only two students eligible for support by the Dehcho Divisional Council. I believe that our educational system is failing the parents and the students of Wrigley.

The parents feel that the Wrigley youth are not given enough support by the school system. Also, the parents do want input into how the residence is run and they do have some suggestions like extra professional guidance for assistance and also they identified that perhaps a male supervisor is needed at the student residence. Once again, Mr. Speaker, parents are calling for more support to ensure their children have the same opportunities as other students in the NWT and have requested a meeting to discuss experiences with the residents in Fort Simpson. I share the concerns of these parents.

I recommend that a review is done of this whole situation, including alternate accommodations as a solution. In a time when Aboriginal achievement is of great concern to all of us, we must find ways to encourage and support our secondary school students who come from small and remote communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Support For Wrigley High School Students

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Practicum Placements For NWT Teacher Assistants

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When it comes to a good education, there are many challenges youth and adults in small communities in the Northwest Territories have. An education, Mr. Speaker, we are told will provide opportunities to find good jobs for our students, a job suited to them and one that will give them satisfaction and a decent income. That’s why we support our young people to go to school.

An adult student in the Sahtu is facing the barrier challenges right now, Mr. Speaker. She has completed coursework at Grande Prairie College in Alberta to be a teacher assistant. In order to complete her program she must do a practicum, working as a teacher assistant in the school. This woman intends to complete her practicum in the Sahtu. After she made some inquiries and a request to the Sahtu Divisional Education Council, the council actually agreed to supervise her practicum.

However, when the superintendent of the education council phoned Grande Prairie College, he discovered that the college would not accept a practicum placement that was offsite. This is a sad state of affairs, Mr. Speaker.

I’m sure this is not the first time nor will it be the last time problems regarding practicum in the Northwest Territories comes up. I think that the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment should determine some way to address this situation. Perhaps it’s as simple as ECE discussing the situation with contacts at the Grande Prairie college and entering into an agreement on work experience placement that is satisfactory to both parties.

ECE finances students to attend post-secondary school and encourages them to return to the Northwest Territories to work. There should be some way that the department can advise students who are entering programs that require practicum of this potential issue. The department could provide a protocol for arranging for education, health and other education programs work experience in the GNWT where possible.

I understand that not all education training programs can be offered in the Northwest Territories but I hope that we can ensure that when possible, that students can get to practice their practicum in the Northwest Territories, that they earn and do it in their home community. I have questions for the Minister at the appropriate time.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to be speaking today about the Northern Nursing Program at Aurora College. As Members are well aware, this program became a four-year degree-granting program a few years ago. It is affiliated with the University of Victoria.

One of Ms. Lee ’s first speeches as Minister of Health and Social Services was to address first-year students of the Northern Nursing Program at Aurora College in the fall of 2007. Ms. Lee ’s address that day was full of encouragement, support, and promise of full-time employment in the Northwest Territories for each graduating student. Well, these students that Ms. Lee addressed back in 2007 are now just months away from concluding the program and what is very alarming is the lack of any job openings for graduate nurses in the Northwest Territories.

I’d like to understand how the Minister explains the lack of postings and the promise of employment for new grads. What about our expensive addiction to locum and agency nurses in the Northwest Territories? Where is the plan to integrate our northern nursing grads into our health care system in our Territory? Conceptually, wasn’t the idea of having our own Northern Nursing Program at Aurora College our best effort to alleviate our reliance on agency and locum nurses?

It would be a shame if we trained and developed grads from our Northern Nursing Program and then they packed up their families and left our Territory. Certainly you would think the Department of Health and Social Services and this government would have a plan to accommodate new grads; not just this year but in the years to come.

There are scheduled to be 19 new grads in 2011, 16 grads in 2012, and 32 grads in 2013. I find it very disturbing that the Minister and the department will be making decisions in the near future in the absence of any sound planning. I’ll certainly have some questions for the Minister at the appropriate time.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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NWT Seniors Charter

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the priorities of the 16

Assembly has been to

develop healthy, educated people. When reading our 16

Assembly priorities, I noticed that seniors

and elders are missed in our collective statement.

As leaders, we have made a commitment to our present and future generations. One of the ways I feel strongly that we can work towards achieving a goal of supporting our seniors is to develop and adopt an NWT seniors charter. In 2006, our very own House of Commons adopted a similar concept in recognizing seniors. As such, they adopted the Seniors Charter of Canada.

The NWT seniors charter, if adopted, could recognize older Northerners as creative, active, valued members of our society. It would serve as a mission statement and set out the government’s commitment to their well-being, equality, and certainly a standard of living.

An NWT seniors charter would speak to such areas as income security, housing, wellness and health care, our commitment to stopping elders’ abuse, accessible opportunities for recreation, education and training, and timely access to government services, to only name a few.

To highlight in comparison of simple fairness, the Minister responsible for official languages tables an annual report that looks at the state and progress of languages each year. I certainly support that. Why would the official state of our seniors’ care, if programming, progress and development not receive the same type of respect? If there was any area in Canada that talks about its respect, care and importance of seniors and elders, it’s certainly here in the Northwest Territories. That support seems to be lacking.

A seniors charter could be the compass rose of where we need to be and definitely where we want to go with seniors’ issues. It would, in essence, be our mission statement and our plan. We would not want to develop this on our own. We would certainly need the help and guidance of those we’ve committed to care for and those who have walked before us.

There are many examples out there as to what implementation models could look like, but certainly we’re not here to solve that today. What would be important today would be to take the first step forward in organizing our commitment to seniors by developing an NWT seniors charter which would definitely define and recognize the valued contributions they’ve made to our North and our commitment to stand behind them.

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NWT Seniors Charter

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Colleagues, I would like to draw your attention to the gallery today and the presence of our Languages Commissioner, Ms. Sarah Jerome, who is with us today. We will be tabling her annual report at the appropriate time today.

The honourable Member for Monfwi , Mr. Lafferty .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to also recognize Sarah Jerome, NWT Official Languages Commissioner; also David Reid, NWTTA president.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Krutko , Mr. Roland , and Mr. Robert C. McLeod are not in the House and would have recognized the Languages Commissioner, Sarah Jerome. I’d like to recognize the Languages Commissioner.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m glad to be able to recognize the chaperone for the two handsome Pages from Fort Smith -- Marcus Bourke and Ferron Beamish -- Ms. Melinda Bourke.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Member for… I’m drawing a blank.

---Laughter

The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Only the most important riding in this whole Territory, Mr. Speaker.

---Interjection

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Anyway, I’d like to welcome Melinda Bourke as well. She’s my wife’s niece and I’m her uncle. I’d like to welcome Marcus, as well, for doing a good job helping out as a Page in the Page Program. It is a really good program. I’d like to welcome Ms. Sarah Jerome, too, into the House. Good to see you, Sarah. And Mr. Reid, one of my

old teachers up in Inuvik. We had a lot of good run-ins and a lot of good times. Thank you, Mr. Reid.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize Mr. Darrell Beaulieu, chairman of the Business Development and Investment Corporation, and Ms. Shirley Bohnet.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. If we’ve missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the Chamber. I hope you’re enjoying the proceedings.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 410-16(5): Practicum Placements For NWT Teacher Assistants

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment about the practicum issue I talked about. I want to ask the Minister if there are any ways he’s working to arrange for students in the Northwest Territories to come back to the Territories to do their practicum once they complete their courses in southern educational institutions.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 410-16(5): Practicum Placements For NWT Teacher Assistants

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Yes, definitely we’re continuing to work with various institutions that we have partnerships with down south. At the same time, the Grande Prairie Regional College is also interested in considering some modification. The modification will take some time but it is in the works. Those are areas that we continue to work on with the college.

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Question 410-16(5): Practicum Placements For NWT Teacher Assistants

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The one instance I made reference to and the Minister has just talked about, the Grande Prairie institution. Is the Minister now giving the House a deadline on when maybe a resolution could be satisfactory to the student or the community to have the student or future students come up to the North to do their practicum?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I can’t really give an exact time right now. The discussion just started with the college. That is my understanding. There are talks about the modification of the program for future usage, such as those teachers in training having their practicum in the Northwest Territories. Those are areas we need to work on and we’ll be working closely with the DEAs in the regions, the college and my Department of Education, Culture and Employment.

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Question 410-16(5): Practicum Placements For NWT Teacher Assistants

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

When these students enter into post-secondary institutions and take on the career of a teacher or teacher’s assistant, has the department notified the students ahead of time about their practicum and the requirements we need? To also let them know ahead of time that it’s not possible to come back to the North to do their practicum, such as this student in Grande Prairie that was disappointed that these things couldn’t be worked out ahead of time? Can the Minister notify me if these things are told to students entering into the teaching professions?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I believe that there are different parties involved. It is also the student’s responsibility to do their research on what they want to get into, the field of studies, and the requirements of that particular program, including the practicum and whether or not it can be delivered in the Northwest Territories. That is information that is available on the college website or the college application. We need to work with the students. We as the Department of Education, Culture and Employment have staff that can provide some information, but it’s also the student’s responsibility to do that part too. We’ll continue to work with those students.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I hope the department can rectify this situation as soon as possible. As you know, students who leave small communities and come back to do their practicum or to go back to work, it’s a good incentive for other students to continue on their education and role modelling. I would ask the Minister again if he would commit to see if this resolution can be done sometime within the life of this government.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

That would be one of the plans we’ll be working on to expedite the process. There are a number of students who are taking this particular program and we definitely want them to come back to the Northwest Territories to do their practicum. That will be our goal.

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Question 410-16(5): Practicum Placements For NWT Teacher Assistants

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 410-16(5): Practicum Placements For NWT Teacher Assistants

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to ask the Minister if he could share what type of arrangements or what type of barriers that Grande Prairie has put up in terms of not helping the student to get to the North to do her practicum. What are some situations that his department is looking into?

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Question 410-16(5): Practicum Placements For NWT Teacher Assistants

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Some of the obstacles or challenges that may face the college is the travel to the communities. Those are the areas that have been identified and we need to work with that. There may be other areas, other concerns that may have been brought forward, but this is an area that they’re willing to modify their program. This is definitely an area that we need to focus on. Mahsi.

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Question 410-16(5): Practicum Placements For NWT Teacher Assistants

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 411-16(5): Housing For Persons With Disabilities

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . I want to ask some questions related to housing for physically and mentally challenged residents in the NWT. In general, we talk about assisted living housing for our persons with disabilities and those that have mental challenges. We have a number of different types of housing, I know that, and we have different models of accommodation, but I’d like to ask the Minister whether or not her department, or the government in general, has a policy that addresses this particular housing need. Thank you.

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Question 411-16(5): Housing For Persons With Disabilities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 411-16(5): Housing For Persons With Disabilities

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we have a program and policy to address the persons with disabilities. Thank you.

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Question 411-16(5): Housing For Persons With Disabilities

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I would have liked to have heard the name of the policy, but that’s fine. I’d like to know from the Minister, her department generally manages the programs, the assisted living programs. I’d like to know if we have a policy that looks after housing needs for people who are challenged and who need assisted living. Does the department work in concert with any other department? I would hope they would work in concert with the NWT Housing Corporation, but do they work in concert with any other department in order to acquire and build the necessary housing for assisted living? Thank you.

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Question 411-16(5): Housing For Persons With Disabilities

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

The Member knows that the Department of Health and Social Services is not in the business of building houses, so we would not be involved in that. The Member also knows because she had asked in the past and I’ve given her information about the kind of support we provide for persons with disabilities. We have various programs. The Member mentioned an assisted living complex in Hay River, but we also have group homes, we have supported living, we provide respite care. I mean, the persons with disabilities don’t come in one shape and size and need, and so individuals are assessed and they are supported in the best way we can with the programs we have and the resources we have. Thank you.

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Question 411-16(5): Housing For Persons With Disabilities

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

To the Minister, I didn’t ask about whether or not you were in the business of housing and I wasn’t asking about particular placement options. I’m talking about housing and getting the necessary capacity of housing that we need. It’s

well known that we have a need within the whole of the NWT assisted living housing, whether it be rented, whether it be built. I’d like to know if the department would consider establishing a process to actively build up the housing supply for assisted living and whether they would partner with the Housing Corporation to build the necessary types of housing that’s required so that we can place more of our people in assisted living accommodations. Thank you.

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Question 411-16(5): Housing For Persons With Disabilities

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I think the mandate of the Health and Social Services is busy enough, full enough, demanding enough. I don’t think, unless the government tells us to, the department is interested in getting into the housing business. We have the NWT Housing Corporation that does that. I am aware that the Housing Corporation has built units and renovated units for persons with disabilities, whether they be seniors or non-seniors. I would ask the Member to kindly refer the question to the responsible Minister. Thank you.

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Question 411-16(5): Housing For Persons With Disabilities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Your final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Minister, I would like to ask again, I’m not asking the department to build houses, I’m asking the department to establish a process to work in conjunction with the Housing Corporation who does build houses -- I agree with you -- but asking if they would set up a process to partner with the Housing Corporation to provide the assisted living housing that we need. Thank you.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

We do that already. We work closely with the Housing Corporation. So if the Member has specific situations or a constituent that she would like me to look into, I would be happy to do that. As I’ve stated, the Housing Corporation does have a program that addresses the persons with disabilities and, of course, Health and Social Services works closely with ECE and Housing and Justice or whoever we need to.

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Question 411-16(5): Housing For Persons With Disabilities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 412-16(5): Electric Power Surges In Nunakput

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, Mr. Speaker, my Member’s statement is on the Power Corporation’s procedure for dealing with damage done to people’s appliances over the power fluctuations that we’ve been having. Mr. Speaker, how many of these claims have been received each year from our Nunakput communities that are paid out from the Inuvik office? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Power Corporation does have a policy in place on dealing with customers who have had problems within their homes and can file a claim. I don’t have the level of detail with me that I could respond to the Member but I will get that for the Member. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, what’s being done to ensure that the troubleshooting with the electrical systems can be done in our communities instead of waiting for technicians to fly into the communities? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

With the new CEO, Mr. Axford, in house now in the Northwest Territories, he’s been looking at the operations of the Power Corporation, their structure, how they deal with our customer issues and our response times, so I expect that in the near future I would sit down at the next board meeting with the CEO and the new chairman and the board to go over some of the work they’ve done and see what flows from that. Thank you.

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Question 412-16(5): Electric Power Surges In Nunakput

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, will the Minister ensure that my constituent complaints be looked into by the Power Corporation and be dealt with as soon as possible? They have been ongoing. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Those that have made application, I will ask on the results. The first thing, as I had committed to earlier, was the total number of complaints or applications that were sent in, what were the responses to those applications and if there are any outstanding issues. I will get that information back to the Member. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Your final supplementary, Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 412-16(5): Electric Power Surges In Nunakput

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What will the Power Corporation do to improve the communication with the customers in the small communities so that their complaints will be resolved sooner rather than later? Thank you.

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Question 412-16(5): Electric Power Surges In Nunakput

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . Mr. Roland .

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Question 412-16(5): Electric Power Surges In Nunakput

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I must say that in initially meeting with the new CEO for the Power Corporation it was refreshing. His experience in that sector of the business and dealing with many customers is, I think, a breath of fresh air, as I see it, in reaching out to our customers in the Northwest Territories. Again, I’ve had discussions with both the chair and the new CEO to discuss the issues around customer relations, and we’ll follow up on that, as well, to ensure that we work on improving that relationship. Thank you.

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Question 412-16(5): Electric Power Surges In Nunakput

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 413-16(5): NWT Seniors Charter

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I talked about the need for an NWT charter for seniors. I think we could develop something that brings clear focus to your beliefs and principles on caring for seniors and elders. If you look across the government, there is no clear coordinating role. The Minister responsible for Seniors is title alone. There is no direct mandate to seniors and certainly as the Minister responsible for Seniors , they have no specific money targeted in order to help and support seniors.

Mr. Speaker, I think that’s a sad state of affairs, and I certainly hope that our government eventually will rectify that problem that we don’t put that type of initiative behind our seniors. Mr. Speaker, my question would be to the Minister who is responsible for Seniors. Would she consider taking to Cabinet the idea and certainly the issue of developing an NWT seniors charter?

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Question 413-16(5): NWT Seniors Charter

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Seniors , Ms. Lee .

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not familiar with what details that concept entails, but if the Member would like to provide me with that information, we will have a further look at it. Thank you.

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Question 413-16(5): NWT Seniors Charter

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I would be pleased to provide a copy of my Member’s statement I made today as well as a copy of the House of Commons’ position on a seniors charter. Mr. Speaker, knowing full well that this issue has never specifically been brought up in the government certainly in my time, is the Minister saying clearly she would be willing to take this issue, address this issue and bring it to the Cabinet table to work towards developing an NWT seniors charter? Thank you.

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Question 413-16(5): NWT Seniors Charter

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Mr. Speaker, I wouldn’t be the responsible Minister, or the Member would be responsible if we were to make decisions without having at least some information about what it is we are being asked to take a position on. I am interested in getting the information from him as to what he has in mind, understanding that different ideas about overarching or comprehensive sorts of models on seniors was introduced before. I think we are also aware, though, that seniors’ issues, whether it be housing, fuel subsidy, health benefits, touch so many different departments that I don’t know if it is just something we need to look further into. I would be happy to, once again, say what I

said before, take a look at what he has in mind and then we could have a position. Thank you.

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Question 413-16(5): NWT Seniors Charter

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 413-16(5): NWT Seniors Charter

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the answer from the Minister, the willingness to pursue something new and different. Mr. Speaker, does the Minister see a problem in the existing state of affairs where seniors’ issues are spread out throughout the government without a clear mandate or a coordinating role, and that being said, a Minister directly responsible for seniors and elders program? Thank you.

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Question 413-16(5): NWT Seniors Charter

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister Responsible for Seniors

Mr. Speaker, I agree with the Member that the programs are spread out, but I don’t think it is there without mandate. I think all of our seniors programs have specific programming and criteria mandate that are housed in responsible divisions and sections.

Mr. Speaker, once again, I am interested in looking at what he has in mind. Maybe it is something that the Standing Committee on Social Programs can take a look at as well. Mr. Speaker, I look forward to seeing what he has. Thank you.

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Question 413-16(5): NWT Seniors Charter

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 414-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I talked about future cost of the devolution agreement for the GNWT. I have questions for the Premier . Why did this government agree to an AIP that does not place full responsibility on the federal government for inflation and the cost of running the regulatory system? Thank you.

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Question 414-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 414-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member’s statement earlier, leading up to these questions, made a number of comments about secret negotiations and so on. I will say for the record that there were no secret negotiations. All bilateral discussions that may have happened between the GNWT and the federal government, specifically because there are areas that we clearly are for or would be, those issues and discussions were shared at the main table with all of the partners that were at the table.

As for signing this agreement, there are many things to be negotiated as we go forward. One of those is the escalation of the dollars identified for doing the work that would be required of us as the Government of the Northwest Territories.

The negotiations up to establishing the numbers for the initial transfer were very intense, as we clearly

stated that we felt, under the existing authorities, we need to do a job that would require more resources than is being expended now. We have that agreement. In fact, that is one of the reasons why we would say that we are in agreement with signing this.

Other areas that are of concern to many of the Aboriginal groups, as well, are around waste sites and monitoring and management. There is a

chapter 8 that goes through quite a number of issues that look at addressing what we would do as we enter into negotiations. I think this is another reason why having the Aboriginal groups and governments come back to the table to help influence the discussions is probably one of the biggest things, since we hold our environment in such high regard in the North. That would be one of those that would draw us back to the table, I would say. Thank you.

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Question 414-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, what is the Government of the Northwest Territories doing to ensure that the waste sites that are listed or that are contemplated in such devolution agreement in the future are cleaned up in a timely fashion? What is the time frame for this? Is this going to go on forever or is there going to be a time frame for a clean-up of these waste sites? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 414-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, by signing the agreement-in-principle, we actually kick in the year of process that has been under discussion for quite some time. We have already done a fair bit of work in the North around waste sites that are there, looking at historical programs that were run under previous and ministrations and decisions made under previous governments, federal governments as well. That is why there has been such an emphasis put on this document. It triggers the work that needs to be done. For example, in the responsibility of waste sites,

chapter 8, point 3 talks about Canada will be responsible for management of waste sites on public lands which were wholly created prior to the effective date and it speaks of what our responsibility would be after the effective date of final agreement, and then it goes into a lot of detail about some of those subject areas. But, clearly, by signing the agreement-in-principle, we also trigger work that is going to be done on clearly establishing what is out there and comparing that work. Thank you.

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Question 414-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, my last question is the area of time frames. There is a possibility inside the devolution agreement that these sites could be just left as is for extended periods of time. Also, in the economic measures in the AIP, they indicate that economic measures could be accrued to Aboriginal governments. This is an opportunity for Aboriginal governments to clean up with the GNWT at the federal government cost to clean up those

sites. Why isn’t the government insisting that the federal government take responsibility in a kindly fashion for cleaning up industrial sites established under their control since 1984? Thank you.

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Question 414-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, the identification and the categorization of waste sites, those were decisions made by previous governments that, as I said, the preliminary work was done. Quite clearly, we leave the responsibility for decisions made by the federal government prior to the signing of the final agreement is their responsibility needing to go forward, but they still have to share that work with us and come up with a budget that we would have to negotiate on dealing with the full remediation of those sites or that they would remain holding onto the liability of those sites.

For example, by signing the agreement-in-principle, Canada will develop at its own expense a preliminary inventory of waste sites, and in compiling such preliminary inventory, they will have to share that initial

summary with us through their own historical records and current records and we will, as well, do our own work in reviewing that. That will help us as we go forward and coming up with the right negotiation for dollars in remediation going forward and who holds onto that liability going forward. Thank you.

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Question 414-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 414-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Dene people see this as a loophole by the federal government. It does not seem fair when the federal government designed and implemented a regulatory system, will take 50 percent of the royalties on these developments but won’t pay for the cleanups. This is a loophole. Why is there no definite plan in place to place full responsibility for the remediation that’s needed on the federal government? Thank you.

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Question 414-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you. Clearly, we know the importance of our environment to northern peoples and that is why so much effort has been placed through the working group of our Aboriginal partners and the Government of the Northwest Territories. We’ve learned from some of our own previous transfers and transfers to other provinces and territories, in making sure we’ve set up a process that will clearly identify the challenges, the risks, the liabilities and who they belong to. So as the Member is saying, why haven’t we done that? That work is about to be done because we’ve signed the AIP. Otherwise, we would continue to work on the basis we have in the past of identifying those sites.

The federal government has remediated a number of sites across the North and are in the process of remediating sites as we speak in a number of areas. So that work continues, but as we now, through the signing of this agreement-in-principle,

will be able to clearly identify going forward into the future what those challenges are, what the risks are and who should hold onto the liability and then the budgets of what needs to be done going forward in that area. So we do place a high priority on this.

Again, when it comes to the identification, we talk about this preliminary inventory of waste sites in the Northwest Territories, talk about the location, the nature of the site, the

summary of information going to Canada about the waste site, including location, former use, current use or status, known operation, groundwater analysis. So many things will begin to be shared by Canada with us and they will have to share such information with all the parties. Thank you.

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Question 414-16(5): Devolution Agreement-In-Principle

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 415-16(5): Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ve got questions today for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Getting back to my Member’s statement where I was talking about northern nursing grads, this year we’re expecting to graduate 19 and next year 16 and then in 2013, 32. So we’re going to have close to 65 northern nursing grads enter into our health care system hopefully in the next three years.

I’d like to ask the Minister, it was almost four years ago she went to Aurora College and spoke to the students just entering the program, promising them jobs upon completion of the program. I’d like to ask her what planning has gone into help integrate northern nursing grads into our health care system. Thank you.

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Question 415-16(5): Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 415-16(5): Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There’s no question that our Northern Nursing Program is a success story. We have produced a lot of excellent graduates and the last fiscal year we were able to place all 11 of them; nine of them in Yellowknife and two in Hay River. So, Mr. Speaker, I’m confident that we will be able to use the training that these nurses have received in various communities and health centres and hospitals around the Territories. Thank you.

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Question 415-16(5): Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. I hope the Minister can appreciate the fact that these graduates are months away from completing the program, yet when they look at the government website and any job postings, there are just none available and they’re left scratching their head saying, well, the Minister was here three years ago and promised us jobs, where are they? Then they see locum and agency

nurses working in our health authorities and at Stanton and they wonder where are the postings. I’d like to ask the Minister if she can explain the fact that we have these locum and agency nurses here and no job postings for nurses. Thank you.

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Question 415-16(5): Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you. We are in communication with the graduating class of nurses at Aurora College. They are made aware that they wouldn’t be applying for jobs on the website, that they will be eligible to join the Graduate Employment Program process, that we will have a list of jobs available for them. HR and HSSA, Department of Health staff, are going in there to talk to the nursing graduates and we will be working with them to find placements for them. They will be asked to give their preference of what communities they would like to practice in. We want to match those, but those are not always possible.

This is an NWT employment program. The Graduate Employment Program is an NWT program, this is Government of the NWT. We would like to recruit and retain nurses to work in all parts of the Territories, so we are fully committed to working with the nursing grads to match them with employment. Thank you.

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Question 415-16(5): Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. It sounds like as far as the department is concerned, it’s a year-to-year process and they just take each year as it comes. I’m not sure if coming up with a better plan and a long-range plan to accommodate, like I said, 65 grads in the next three years might be something that’s worthwhile to the department and to this government. I’d like to ask the Minister, does the Department of Health and Social Services and the health authorities consider positions that are currently filled by locums and agency nurses to be vacant and why aren’t those positions posted? Thank you.

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Question 415-16(5): Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you. As we’ve discussed over the last two days, the use of agency nurses has gone down substantially. Locum nurses we have in Stanton, for example, are really, really hard to recruit nurses. So as the Member knows, or anybody who knows about nursing, nurses all come with different training, different backgrounds, different skill sets that we need. So I don’t think we should be distracted by having to use some locum nurses that means that we’re not giving those jobs to new grads.

New grads have to go through the Graduate Employment Program, they need more training in different settings before they can be put into practice settings. They wouldn’t be, I don’t think, ready to apply to a job that’s available on the website right away. So I’ve stated, and of course we work year by year, every year we get a new graduating class of nurses and as I’ve stated, the Department of HR and my department and the health authorities are and will continue to work with the graduating class to place them in an

appropriate setting and in as a compatible setting as possible, but we need to ask the grads to be able to look beyond Yellowknife if they can’t be matched in Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Question 415-16(5): Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Your final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 415-16(5): Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Sounds like we’ve resigned ourselves to the fact that locum nurses are going to be in these positions and the department and the authorities are not going to post the positions to be filled by resident nurses here in the Northwest Territories. Is that what I’m hearing the Minister say? That locums are there permanently, we’re not posting those jobs? I’d like to ask the Minister why aren’t we posting the jobs that locums are filling today. Thank you.

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Question 415-16(5): Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

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An Hon. Member

Good question.

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Question 415-16(5): Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, it has to go without saying that our system would rather hire our own local nurses before we would have agency nurses or locum nurses. So if there are any jobs that are...

Mr. Speaker, as I’ve stated, if the Member would listen, these nurse graduates don’t go through a regular hiring process; they go through a Graduate Employment Program. They go through a separate preferential program that the government has organized with HR, and HR people are talking to the graduating class. We are going to have a list of positions that could be matched up with them.

So, Mr. Speaker, I want to state for the record for the people out there and the graduates and nursing students in the classroom, that we are committed to working with them to make sure that we do everything we can to find them employment and that we will be providing them with the information. The fact that the jobs are not being posted should not be a distraction. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 415-16(5): Employment Of Northern Nursing Graduates

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 416-16(5): Concerns Of Wrigley High School Students And Parents

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to ask the Minister of Education some questions on the Member’s statement I provided earlier today on the students of Wrigley on the concerns of their parents about not accessing proper education for their children in Fort Simpson.

The issue is, Mr. Speaker, there is a residence in Fort Simpson that is exactly designed for out-of-town students but, for whatever reason, they’re not able to attend there. There’s no option to provide education to our small, remote communities if we do not access that residence. There must be

alternate solutions. So I’d like to ask the Minister what can be done about this situation. Mahsi cho.

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Question 416-16(5): Concerns Of Wrigley High School Students And Parents

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 416-16(5): Concerns Of Wrigley High School Students And Parents

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Obviously there’s a reason why these students are not in a residence and we need to get that confirmation from the DEA or DEC, probably the DEA. I will be following up on this particular matter with the DEA. There are various options. The students and the parents in the community can work with the DEA, if they can meet with the local DEA and erase those concerns. We will do our part as well.

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Question 416-16(5): Concerns Of Wrigley High School Students And Parents

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

When I spoke with the parents and the members of the DEA in Wrigley, they asked that... It’s a long way to travel. The DEA and the Dehcho Divisional Education Council have the resources for them to come to Wrigley, meet with the parents and discuss some of the solutions and issues around their children not being able to attend school in Fort Simpson. As I indicated in my Member’s statement, we have an obligation for Aboriginal education and we must find solutions no matter how tough they are.

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Question 416-16(5): Concerns Of Wrigley High School Students And Parents

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Obviously there is a solution we need to find within the system. This is an area we need to work closely with the district education authority on. We allocate funding based on the operations and maintenance of the school board and they work closely with the students and the parents in identifying where issues arise. We need to find out the situation that the Member is referring to. What is the real issue? Why aren’t the students in their residence? I’m sure there’s a reason. We need to find that reason. As the Member alluded, there’s a solution to this, so let’s work on that.

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Question 416-16(5): Concerns Of Wrigley High School Students And Parents

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I’m pleased that the Minister and I are of the same mind. I think if we take it one step further, of course the Dehcho Divisional Education Council must meet with the parents in Wrigley, sit them all down in the same place and find out some of the issues. I think the next step is to also get an independent evaluation of the residence system that’s there to see how it can better fit for the smaller communities and students in the post-secondary education from the smaller communities. I’d like to ask the Minister if we could work towards that for the time being.

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Question 416-16(5): Concerns Of Wrigley High School Students And Parents

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I will work with the DEA on having those Wrigley students attend Simpson with regard to the residence. Also the independent evaluation would have to come from the DEA if they wish to do that.

We as a department will work closely with them. Maybe this is a concern that we can bring forward

to the DEA. The Member raised that issue. It’s a concern to the Member and to the community. We’ll follow through with that.

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Question 416-16(5): Concerns Of Wrigley High School Students And Parents

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 416-16(5): Concerns Of Wrigley High School Students And Parents

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The first step I always believe is communication. I’m glad the Minister is willing to work towards that and work with the Dehcho Divisional Education Council. I would also ask the Minister to bear in mind that other communities are having the same issue, like Nahanni Butte, Trout Lake and Jean Marie River. Please bear in mind and ask them to get involved at some point. It’s an issue that concerns all the small, remote communities in my riding.

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Question 416-16(5): Concerns Of Wrigley High School Students And Parents

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I agree with the Member. It is across the board in the Northwest Territories, not just in Nahendeh. It is in Beaufort-Delta and other places. This is an area that has been brought to our attention and we are working within our department and the DECs and DEAs.

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Question 416-16(5): Concerns Of Wrigley High School Students And Parents

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 417-16(5): GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services and relate to the response that the Minister released on Monday on the Standing Committee on Social Programs Report on the Child and Family Services Act.

The recommendations within the report needed to be considered in the context of the entire report. There was a lot of information in the report that helped us form the recommendations we had.

Unfortunately, when I’m reading through the responses and the information and action items, I don’t always get the sense or feel that the context of the report was considered. It seems to be more specific responses to the recommendations out of context in some cases.

Having said that, the responses and the information and information action items seem pretty vague to me. There’s not a lot of information there. I’m assuming that there must be some greater level of analysis. I was wondering if that analysis exists for each of the recommendations, and if it does, can the Minister share it with us so we have a better understanding of how they came to their conclusions and the recommendations they came up with.

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Question 417-16(5): GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 417-16(5): GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The government’s response lays out our response where we say that we have accepted 22 recommendations and on the whole we’ve accepted 61 out of 73 recommendations. In reading those recommendations, we have explained what our responses are. We have made the effort to include as much information as possible. I understand and I am encouraged by the Member’s statement earlier and other Members saying that we have a good start. They like some of the things that we have said. They are happy with the fact that we have accepted so many of those recommendations.

I understand that they would like to work on some more of them. I’d be willing to sit down with the committee and go over some of the details if the Members or committee would like to do that.

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Question 417-16(5): GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I would have thought given that these responses and the information and action items, if you actually read through them, they do seem vague. They’re not always clear. I’ll just give you a real quick example.

We asked the government to mandate prevention and early intervention and include a presumption of prevention and early intervention in the principles of the act. They responded by saying the presumption of prevention and early intervention is implicit. This is what I talked about in my Member’s statement. We read the act. We’ve identified the sections that they’ve identified in their response. We also felt it was implicit. But it’s not being done in the communities. It’s not happening on the ground. What we’re looking for is explicit action. If we make it explicit in the act, then it will happen.

Going to the Minister’s agreement or commitment to meet with us, I understand that they’re also developing a strategic plan. It’s identified in this. My question to the Minister is: will she commit to meeting with us and sitting down with us and going through each of the recommendations and the suggested responses to find some common ground so that both sides understand what is going on here? We know what we expected. We don’t fully understand the recommendations, but I’m not sure they fully understood our recommendations. I’d like to sit down with the Minister and have a meeting going through point by point. Will the Minister commit to doing that prior to developing a strategic plan?

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Question 417-16(5): GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

I’ve already agreed to do that on many occasions and I’d be happy to meet with Members and the committee. The example that the Member presented here is a good example. I want to state that the department and government took every recommendation very, very seriously. We

approached it in a very positive way. Our responses are about how do we make this happen. The Member raised a question about the way the law is right is it’s implicit. We would like to make it explicit. The example he gave is under

section 7 of the act. It already states very explicitly that child protection has to, it must, it shall consider cultural implications. It must. It’s as explicit as we can get.

I think there’s a philosophical debate about how much force and power do you put into legislation. Our government’s position is we understand what the committee is saying. We agree with what you’re saying. We were there when the committee met with the people. We’re suggesting different ways in which we can do that. Legislating and making it explicit in legislation is only one way. But you know, laws can only go so far. I think what they’re asking us to do is do things differently. Our suggestion is that we can do that.

I’m encouraged by what the Member said. We have a common ground. We want to work together. We should look at the report as water being half full rather than being half empty. I think there’s a lot of ground for us to move on. I think we may have a difference of opinion about whether we should do it by mandated legislation or by policy change or attitude change, but I am definitely willing and prepared to work with the committee and Members.

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Question 417-16(5): GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 417-16(5): GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For just a point of clarity, this question, this example that I gave was about prevention and promotion. The response that she gave me when she quoted

section 7, if you actually look at their response, their response only refers to sections 2, 5 and 6 and there’s no reference to

section 7. I think she’s talking about a completely different area than I am.

The other thing I want to point out with respect to that example is after they say it’s implicit in the act, they also go further to say basically no amendment is required so no action is required. So they’re not planning on actually doing anything. This is the problem. Implicit is fine if it’s being acted on. Unfortunately, a lot of these things are not being acted on which is why it needs to be explicit.

Going back to the other part about the commitment to meet with us, great, fantastic, thanks. We hope, and I was wondering if I could get the Minister to commit to having the strategic plan done before the life of this government comes to an end.

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

The

section 7 I believe is the

interpretation clause which helps us within the legislation to interpret the other clauses. Anyway, we could have this discussion.

The other example that the Member mentioned, it is true. I just want to make sure that I put it on record and that I just want to express to the Members

again, which is what we spoke about yesterday, yes, I would like to work with the committee. I am committed to work with the committee. We need to find a common ground. We have to work it on the basis of mutual respect and understanding. I need the committee to know that we are approaching this in a very proactive, positive way.

When the committee suggests that a legislation should be amended to get to the result that they would like, I need the committee to entertain possible options of other options as well. Amendment and legislation and law making is just one option. It’s a very blunt tool and there are other things that we should be able to consider. I just wanted to confirm again.

The strategic plan, yes, we hope to get that done within the life of this Assembly and we will work with the committee to get that done.

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Question 417-16(5): GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 417-16(5): GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just for the record, I believe the committee does have an open mind but we do want to see action. A lot of it is back-and-forth debate on points. It’s not really adding much value and it’s not really helping the people of the Northwest Territories, from my point of view and from her point of view. No question.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

May I remind Member’s this is not time for...

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Question 417-16(5): GNWT Response To The Standing Committee On Social Programs Review Of The Child And Family Services Act

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 418-16(5): Mental Health Services

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up on my Member’s statement on mental health issues and pose questions to the Minister of Health and Social Services .

My first question deals with patients being released from the Stanton Territorial Hospital’s mental health unit. Mental health unit staff sometimes make it a condition of release that the released patient stay at the Centre for Northern Families, presuming that there are skills and capacity at the CNF to meet the special needs of mental health outpatients. Yet the Centre for Northern Families has only hard-won experience with these people and some space,

whereas trained staff, and especially funding, are needed to provide full care.

Can the Minister tell me why our health facilities would place such a condition of release, knowing full well the required capacity doesn’t exist?

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 418-16(5): Mental Health Services

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not familiar with the details of what the Member is suggesting. I would have to assume that was something that a physician might have done, but I will have to get more information from the Member and get back to him.

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