Debates of Oct. 3rd, 2017

This is page numbers 2867 – 2894 of the Hansard for the 18th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was services .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Orange Shirt Day

Recreational Leasing Management Framework – Celebrating Our Successes

Progress On Housing Mandate Commitments

Marine Transportation Services

Premier Absent From The House

Impact Of Proposed Transport Canada Air Safety Regulations

Racism, Violence And Need For Principled Leadership

Orange Shirt Day

Elders' Circle Adult Day Program

Resource And Energy Development Information (Redi) Initiative

Strategic Spending On Seniors Services

Nahanni Butte Wildfire Evacuation

Elder Abuse

Residential School And Orange Shirts

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Christine Simpson's 94th Birthday

Yellowknife Adult Day Program

Emergency Response Systems In Nahanni Butte

Resource And Energy Development Information Initiative

Marine Transportation Services

Aging In Place Housing Needs

Impacts Of Proposed Transportation Canada Air Safety Regulations On Northern Airlines

Avens Funding And Operational Review

Review Of Government Of The Northwest Territories Procurement Policies

Wildlife Officers

Elder Abuse

Replacement Generators Contract And Costs

Update On Manufacturing Strategy

Liquor Licensing Review

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Tabled Document 462-18(2): Seniors' Information Handbook, September 2017

Tabled Document 464-18(2): Follow-Up Letter For Oral Questions 864-18(2): Species At Risk Protection Of Caribou

Tabled Document 467-18(2):

Summary Of Members' Absences For The Period May 25, 2017 To September 18, 2017

Bill 33: Appropriation Act (infrastructure Expenditures), 2018-2019

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Bill 27,

An Act To Amend The Environmental Protection Act – Amendment To Clause 3 –addition Of Subclause 3.1

Bill 27:

An Act To Amend The Environmental Protection Act – Amendment To Clause 4 – Deletion Of Subclause 4(2)

Report of Committee of the Whole

Bill 33, Appropriation Act (infrastructure Expenditures), 2018-2019

Recorded Vote

Orders of the Day

Members Present

Hon. Glen Abernethy , Mr. Beaulieu , Mr. Blake , Hon. Caroline Cochrane , Ms. Green , Hon. Jackson Lafferty , Hon. Robert McLeod , Mr. McNeely , Hon. Alfred Moses , Mr. Nadli , Mr. Nakimayak , Mr. O'Reilly , Hon. Wally Schumann , Hon. Louis Sebert , Mr. Simpson , Mr. Testart , Mr. Thompson , Mr. Vanthuyne

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackson Lafferty

Good afternoon, Members. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Deputy Premier .

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Minister's Statement 218-18(2): Orange Shirt Day

Ministers' Statements

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since 2013, September 30th has been marked as Orange Shirt Day, a day for all Canadians to remember the survivors of the residential school system. Organizers chose an orange shirt as the symbol for that day based on a story told by Phyllis Jack Webstad, a survivor of the St. Joseph Mission Residential School in Williams Lake, B.C. In her story, Ms. Webstad tells of having a shiny, new orange shirt her grandmother had given to her being taken away on her first day at residential school.

We remember residential school survivors and their families on all days but especially on September 30th because it was around this time of year that children were taken from their homes to residential schools. It is also a time when schools have the opportunity to implement their inclusive, anti-bullying practices and policies for the coming year, setting the stage for education and learning about the impacts of residential schools that continue to echo today. Mr. Speaker, we are living in a new world where the need for reconciliation with Indigenous people is receiving more attention than ever before.

We welcome this attention in the Northwest Territories, where approximately half of our population is Aboriginal, many of whom are survivors of residential schools.

Our government has been proud to lead the way in forging new relationships with Indigenous people and has made dealing with the legacy of residential schools a priority, including introducing a mandatory residential schools curriculum in 2012. We also remain committed to implementing the calls to action of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission. Mr. Speaker, Orange Shirt Day is a reminder of the often troubled relationship between Indigenous people and the wider Canadian society, including governments, churches and schools.

Repairing those relationships in a territory where many of us, including myself, have had experience with residential schools, will be critical to creating strong, healthy and inclusive communities.

Orange Shirt Day took place on Saturday, Mr. Speaker. As we did not sit on that day, Members are proud to be wearing orange in the Chamber today out of respect for the survivors of residential schools and as a symbol of our commitment to reconciliation.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 218-18(2): Orange Shirt Day

Ministers' Statements

The Speaker

Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Ministers' statements. Minister of Lands .

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Minister's Statement 219-18(2): Recreational Leasing Management Framework – Celebrating Our Successes

Ministers' Statements

Louis Sebert

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our government recognized the importance of moving toward a stable and reliable recreational land use regime when we committed in our mandate to completing the Recreational Leasing Management Framework and a plan for the Yellowknife periphery area. The first part of our commitment, to develop the framework, is now complete. The Recreational Leasing Management Framework was tabled in March, and on June 1st, I outlined the work needed to create a plan for recreational leasing in the areas around Yellowknife. The Department of Lands is now reviewing approaches for implementing the action items referenced under the framework.

To advance the second portion of our commitment, the Department of Lands is completing

section 35 consultation with Indigenous governments and organizations on a draft Yellowknife Periphery Area recreation management plan. The plan will provide the direction and guidance that the Government of the Northwest Territories needs in order to administer the lands outside and around Yellowknife, N’dilo, and Detah. Fundamental to this work is making sure that Aboriginal and treaty rights are considered, that we have provided accommodations where appropriate, and that we take the time to do meaningful consultation. We anticipate being able to release a draft Yellowknife periphery area plan for public review early in 2018, once our consultations are completed.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank all those involved and the public for their continued cooperation and support on these initiatives. Our department truly values the input we have received. It helps us ensure that the interests of Northerners are being heard as we work together to shape the direction of public land management in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, in my second paragraph, I misspoke. I should have said “in June”, not “June 1”. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 219-18(2): Recreational Leasing Management Framework – Celebrating Our Successes

Ministers' Statements

The Speaker

Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Ministers’ Statements. Minister for NWT Housing Corporation.

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Minister's Statement 220-18(2): Progress On Housing Mandate Commitments

Ministers' Statements

Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to provide you with a report on the Government of the Northwest Territories’ progress on meeting its mandate commitments related to housing. Under the priority of cost of living of the 18th Legislative Assembly, this government is committed to continuing to implement northern solutions for northern housing. Addressing homelessness is part of this commitment.

One of the related actions is our support for the Housing First project in Yellowknife. An agreement was signed with the Yellowknife Women’s Society to fund this project in the amount of $450,000 over three years. This project also has the City of Yellowknife and the federal government as partners. This program has helped move 10 people, both men and women, out of homelessness, and we anticipate that many more will benefit from this project in the coming years.

Construction is also near completion on the building that forms the Yellowknife Women’s Society shelter. This project will see the creation of eight new semi-independent units within the building. It is expected that these units will be available for occupancy in November. We are also working with the Salvation Army in Yellowknife to add seven single-room suites in the Bailey House. These units will share a communal kitchen, common room, and washrooms.

In smaller communities tenders have closed for the creation of eight independent single room occupancy units to address homelessness under the Northern Pathways to Housing program: four in Behchoko, and four in Fort Simpson. These units will be available this December.

This House has also heard me commit to ensuring that there are homelessness supports in all of our regions. Planning to alleviate homelessness in Fort Good Hope is underway and a housing unit there has already been donated to the Yamoga Housing Society for the purposes of this project. Finally, a comprehensive review of homelessness programming will be completed in the coming months, which will provide important information on how we can do things better and help more people.

Mr. Speaker, boarded up units in our communities are not only unsafe; they occupy valuable land that could be used for other housing projects. I committed that 100 units would be disposed of over a two-year period. I can report that in 2016-2017, 61 units were disposed of; 30 units were demolished and 31 units were sold. There are plans to dispose of 56 units this year.

Supporting responsible utility consumption also contributes to northern housing solutions. To this end, the transformation of the Public Housing utility structure continues. Specifically, electricity subsidies have been revised over the past two years so that tenants have more responsibility over their usage. Information on ways to conserve electricity will be made available at all local housing organizations, and distributed to all public housing tenants.

Supporting the housing aspirations of Indigenous governments is also part of the solution in addressing our urgent housing needs. A partnership with the K’atlodeeche First Nation has led to federal leases being obtained for lots on the Hay River Reserve that will facilitate the delivery of social housing on the reserve. Another example of an Indigenous government partnership is the sale of surplus units to the K’asho Got’ine Government in Fort Good Hope, which will be used by the community to support their housing aspirations.

Having timely and responsive housing services in our communities is important to ensure that programming is effective and meets the needs of our residents. In terms of community-based property management, three new local housing organizations have been established, in Whati, Gameti, and Fort Liard respectively. Management and administrative offices are open and maintenance staffing is underway for the new local housing organizations. Engagement with these communities is occurring for the establishment of local housing organization boards and to ensure they have complete membership.

In Wekweeti and Colville Lake, the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation has been partnering with government service cfficers to provide local administrative support. Local maintenance services are used to maintain and repair units whenever possible. These developments are helping to build and maintain local capacity with regards to public housing in all these communities.

Effective partnerships is key to leveraging our scarce resources. I have worked with our territorial partners in Nunavut and the Yukon to ensure that the federal government understands that we are different in the North. I, myself have engaged directly with my ministerial federal counterparts on a number of occasions, educating them about our northern context, and explaining what support would be useful as well as what we are bringing to the table. In the end, our needs speak for themselves. I will be holding the federal government accountable to assist in addressing that reality.

Another partnership involves ensuring that there is appropriate and consistent housing for community policing. We now have a formal arrangement with the Royal Canadian Mounted Police that will ensure that availability of housing is not a barrier to recruiting Royal Canadian Mounted Police members to our communities. These units, which are designed to the specifications of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, will be a mix of duplex and single-family designed homes as specified in a memorandum of agreement.

Mr. Speaker, the Legislative Assembly knows the importance of supporting our elders to remain in their home communities. Health outcomes are improved when our communities remain intact. To help with this, a Seniors aging in place repair and retrofit program has been introduced this year. This program provides assistance of up to $10,000 annually to help seniors with upgrades and energy-efficient retrofits that will complement our existing repair and maintenance assistance programs.

Good communication with our seniors is critical to ensuring our programs meet their needs and inform them how to participate in our housing programs. Targeted communications campaigns directed at seniors have been successful in increasing the uptake of homeownership programming, especially to the preventative home maintenance program. Three seniors’ independent housing nine-plexes have been built in Aklavik, Fort Liard, and Whati. Similar complexes in Fort Good Hope and Fort McPherson are slated for completion by March 2018 and September 2018, respectively.

These complexes provide a safe, secure home for elders, allow for healthy programming in common areas, and have on-site property management. All of these programs and initiatives are helping seniors to remain independent and in their communities for as long as possible.

Finally, developing northern solutions for northern housing should not be done without consulting those that know best: the users of the housing programs, our residents. A comprehensive housing engagement survey was undertaken earlier this year. Nearly 1,500 surveys were completed, or approximately one out of every 10 households in the Northwest Territories, which represents a very successful engagement with people and communities.

This valuable input is being used to guide strategic housing renewal, including the redesign and development of housing programs and services to provide a greater future with adequate, affordable, and suitable housing for all residents of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, I am proud of what has been accomplished on housing halfway through our term. Although the work is not complete and there are many challenges ahead, I commit to supporting and directing the development of programs and policies that align with the mandate of this Legislative Assembly. I look forward to continuing to work in partnership with Members of the Legislative Assembly, Ministers and other orders of government, and stakeholders to advance northern solutions for northern housing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 220-18(2): Progress On Housing Mandate Commitments

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The Speaker

Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Ministers' statements. Minister of Infrastructure .

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Minister's Statement 221-18(2): Marine Transportation Services

Ministers' Statements

Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories is nearing the successful completion of its first season delivering Marine Transportation Services to communities on the Mackenzie River and Arctic coast. The delivery of essential goods by tug and barge to our communities on Great Slave Lake, the Mackenzie River, and the Arctic coast sustains the vital services that our communities rely upon.

Since early July when the first tug and barge tow of the season departed Hay River, GNWT Marine Transportation Services has successfully delivered all of the critical petroleum products and deck cargo to all scheduled communities and clients and has met all of its commercial marine charter commitments.

This season, Marine Transportation Services registered and reactivated six tugboats, transported more than 37 million litres of fuel and carried more than ten thousand tonnes of deck cargo to communities and industry clients. This cargo includes diesel fuel, jet fuel, gasoline, construction materials, prefabricated housing units, heavy equipment, vehicles, and consumer goods. At the GNWT Hay River Shipyard, they completed maintenance work on Canadian Coast Guard vessels that provide critical support to navigation and shipping on NWT waters.

Substantial charter work was also accomplished for large industrial clients. In this way, Marine Transportation Services supports small and large businesses, industrial operations, and stimulates economic development in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, Marine Transportation Services also provides important employment opportunities to residents, supporting the development of a strong northern workforce. For the 2017 season, the Department of Infrastructure engaged a marine crewing contractor to recruit and employ capable personnel to operate GNWT Marine Transportation Services. At the peak of the season, more than 140 people were employed, and 60 of those employees were Northwest Territories residents. In addition to the employment generated, Marine Transportation Services has purchased more than $2.6 million dollars in goods and services from Northwest Territories businesses so far this year.

Mr. Speaker, this is a challenging business. To achieve these successes during its first operating season, Marine Transportation Services overcame many obstacles, including the challenge of moving the vessels necessary for community resupply from Inuvik to Hay River at the beginning of the season; and addressing several years of deferred maintenance of the tugs, barges, shipyard, and terminals. High water levels in the Mackenzie River delayed the Canadian Coast Guard's buoy and navigation aid setup, and delays in supplier shipments of cargo fuel resulted in temporary delivery delays to two communities.

The Government of the Northwest Territories will use the lessons that we have learned this season to implement strategies to enhance our operations in future years. Drawing upon this experience, we are developing a long-term business and operating model for Marine Transportation Services; one that will best use business revenues to stabilize costs of essential marine services and enable the success of future operations.

Mr. Speaker, our investment in Canada's northernmost inland shipyard and in this tug and barge fleet signals that we value and support the Mackenzie River as a corridor for commerce and transportation. At the Port of Hay River, the most northerly connection of the continental railway system meets Canada's longest river. A reliable shipping route for generations, the Mackenzie River is the northernmost link of an intermodal supply chain that stretches from the Gulf of Mexico to the Beaufort Sea and beyond. The Mackenzie River is truly our marine highway to the Arctic Ocean.

Continued improvement of marine operations in the territory depends upon investment in infrastructure, such as landings and wharves, channel maintenance through dredging, and improved charting and navigational aids.

The Government of the Northwest Territories is pursuing opportunities for funding that may be available through initiatives such as the federal Oceans Protection Plan to improve the state of marine infrastructure in the territory. The Department of Infrastructure has developed a list of priority marine infrastructure that requires improvement and has identified opportunities for investments to increase the safety and efficiency of marine operations. These include improvements to port and shipyard assets, intermodal facility improvements, harbour dredging, dock repairs, and maintenance at ferry landings and at all marine-served communities.

Mr. Speaker, we will build upon the success of the 2017 season. The Government of the Northwest Territories is committed to ensuring that residents who rely on marine transportation services will get essential goods at a reasonable cost and get them without fail, while making strategic investments in marine transportation, creating jobs, and stimulating the economy of the Northwest Territories.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 221-18(2): Marine Transportation Services

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Jackson Lafferty

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Minister's Statement 222-18(2): Premier Absent From The House

Ministers' Statements

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the honourable Bob McLeod will be absent from the House today to attend the first Ministers' meeting in Ottawa, Ontario. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 222-18(2): Premier Absent From The House

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Nunakput .

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Impact Of Proposed Transport Canada Air Safety Regulations

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Herbert Nakimayak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Northerners have long been frustrated with poorly-designed laws and public policy made in southern Canada with no regard for the reality of life in the NWT. This is why the GNWT worked so hard to get a deal on devolution. It is too bad devolution did not include control of aviation. Maybe then northern airlines would not be worried about staying in business when proposed pilot fatigue regulatory changes are brought forward by Transport Canada.

Mr. Speaker, these controversial changes would put restraints on pilot flying time, such as capping shifts and restricting the number of take-offs and landings. This will negatively affect the northern aviation industry. Pilots will be tied up for longer periods of time, and companies will pay more for more pilots, or take longer periods to get the same amount of work done.

Small business operators in my riding and across the North are extremely worried about these new provisions and the possible impacts on small Northern airlines such as Aklak Air and North Wright Airways. I have been told that many smaller operators will have to reassess the viability of their businesses. A number of small regional airlines have already said the regulations will force them out of business. This can mean everything from reduced access to air transportation, loss of medevac services, loss of forest fighting services, loss of access to food and essentials, or at the very least, significant increase in costs of those goods and services to communities that can least afford it.

Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, this is not the first time we have felt the impact of southern political objectives that do not align with the best interests of northern communities. In this case, the proposed changes stem from recommendations made by the US National Transportation Safety Board, as a result of a 2009 air accident in New York state. Critics of this proposal point out that the new rules were designed with pilots of commercial jetliners in mind, not the bush pilots, medevac pilots, and others who do work such as transferring fuel from barges and ferrying people and materials to mining camps.

Mr. Speaker, Northern aviators care about pilot fatigue. They tell me pilot fatigue has never been the cause of a serious accident in Canada, let alone the North. Today, I am asking the Minister of Infrastructure to step up on their behalf, engage with his colleagues in Nunavut and Yukon, and let the federal government know, yet again, that they do not have the knowledge to speak for Northerners.

Quyanainni, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Racism, Violence And Need For Principled Leadership

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Cory Vanthuyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, racism and hatred is a very painful subject. We might like to think society has moved beyond racism, but it is still with us. It is as fresh and ugly as it has ever been, and it is hard to know how to combat it, to somehow undo the pain that it causes. Today in this house we wear orange shirts and orange pins as a reminder of that pain.

Mr. Speaker, yesterday morning I was reflecting on the news of the terror attacks in Las Vegas and Edmonton when I looked out the window and watched kids from my neighbourhood getting on the school bus. I could feel anger welling up inside me, realizing that innocent children have to grow up in this world where hatred and violence are now everyday occurrences.

Recent events in the world make it clear that hatred thrives. We can blame President Trump, but there are many other examples of hatred and intolerance embraced by people of all backgrounds, religions, and colours. Mr. Speaker, the people in this Chamber are leaders in our communities. We occupy a position of privilege based on our experience, desire to build a better world, and support of our constituents. What can we do, as principled leaders, to try to combat hatred in the world today? I think we must be very deliberate to demonstrate respect for others.

When we have principled leadership, the tone of our society will be respectful and caring, and will not tolerate the condemnation and the scorn of others.

We need to be careful to exercise leadership in a positive and constructive way. If we see individuals, groups, or organizations encouraging extreme behaviour through fear and rage, we must call it out. The example we set and the tone in which we speak conveys important things about our character and our leadership. That is why I refer to it as "principled leadership," and it is why I strive to exemplify these values. My own benchmark, the decisions or actions will always be, is it the right thing to do? Would I accept someone doing that to me? Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Racism, Violence And Need For Principled Leadership

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Cory Vanthuyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, Colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I have said it before. I believe justice must be a passion that we channel when we consider racial, cultural, and sexual diversity. Let us remember, injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.

When I watch those kids boarding that school bus yesterday, I felt upset that they may discover these ugly truths, but I also realize that they do not know hate. They will not know hate unless someone teaches them. If those kids learn racism and hatred, the haters will have won. Maybe that is what we can do, Mr. Speaker. We can act as principled leaders and be the best people we can possibly be, and let us always be mindful of what we say and how we act. Let us demonstrate compassion and generosity because it is the right way to build the future that we want, and it is the future our kids deserve. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Orange Shirt Day

Members' Statements

Kieron Testart

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, each year, Orange Shirt Day is recognized on September 30th, and this year that date falls on a Saturday, so I decided to devote my time today to speaking on an occasion that grows more important each year as our society works towards reconciliation between the Indigenous and non-Indigenous Canadians, and also the constant recognition of residential school survivors. Mr. Speaker, last week, I was honoured to attend a school assembly for Orange Shirt Day at N.J. MacPherson School in my riding, and it was great to see children from junior kindergarten all the way to grade five, participating in this important recognition of the wrongs of the past.

Mr. Speaker, this important day is an opportunity for communities to come together and support a reconciliation and the future of all children. It all originates with a woman who was once a little girl named Phyllis. Phyllis Webstad is Northern Shuswap from Dog Creek, British Columbia. When she turned six years old, she was brought to the St. Joseph Mission residential school for one school year in 1973. When she arrived, they stripped her, and her clothes were taken away including an orange shirt she had picked out with her grandmother.

From then on, the colour orange always reminded her of this outrageous treatment at the hands of people who were supposed to care for her, but instead, made her feel worthless. For many years, those feelings would haunt Phyllis and cause her to make decisions that would have a negative impact on her life until one day she decided to start telling her story.

Mr. Speaker, that story has grown into an annual day of recognition and remembrance where we discussed the trauma of residential schools, and how it has affected countless Indigenous people and their families. I would like to personally thank Phyllis Webstad for lighting a spark that grew into an opportunity to learn from history, to not rewrite the wrongs of the past, and to always remember the troubled legacy of residential schools in Canada, and acknowledge that legacy so that we can all reconcile with these hard truths and move towards a brighter future together. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Orange Shirt Day

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Jackson Lafferty

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Elders' Circle Adult Day Program

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, Yellowknife has a rapidly growing population of seniors, and they have a growing list of needs so they can remain in their own homes for as long as possible. One of those needs is a day program that provides for their social and emotional well-being, and gives their caregivers respite.

Starting in January 2011, Avens provided a day program to meet those needs called Elders' Circle. It operated until last fall when it closed. Staff said the closure was temporary, pending an evaluation of the program's safety and quality. The Yellowknife Association for Community Living stepped in to fill the gap until the end of March when they were told the program at Avens would reopen.

Mr. Speaker, here we are a year later, and the Elders' Circle day program is still closed. When I asked about the future of the program last week at the Avens annual general meeting, I was told the organization has no plans to relaunch the program. The Avens board vice-president said they cannot afford to restart the program. The organization is already challenged to provide its core services, namely independent housing and long-term care, and there is no money to provide a day program as well.

Mr. Speaker, when I raised this issue in the spring session, the Minister said he was waiting for the review of the Elders' Circle program and the continuing care plan to be completed before he could make any commitments. The Minister tabled the continuing care plan last week. It does mention adult programming in the context of providing space in new seniors' housing. It also talks about expanding day programs throughout the territory with local municipalities. It is unclear how either of these options apply in Yellowknife. In the meantime, the department has completed a review of the Elders' Circle program at Avens but has not yet made it public.

Where does that leave seniors and their caregivers who use the Elders' Circle? Nowhere, Mr. Speaker. Whether the day program is offered by Avens or by Yellowknife Association for Community Living or another community partner, the bottom line is that Yellowknife needs an adult day program and we need it now. I will have questions for the Minister. Mahsi.

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Elders' Circle Adult Day Program

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statement. Member for Frame Lake .

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Resource And Energy Development Information (Redi) Initiative

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. The Standing Committee on Economic Development and Environment received a briefing on the Resource and Energy Development Information campaign from Industry, Tourism and Investment last week. It was formally announced on June 22nd by the Minister when he said that it "will ensure these resources are used safely and sustainably." This sounds a lot like trying to build public confidence in our ability to develop resources in a responsible way. I would have thought that that should be our approach given the failed attempt to regulate hydraulic fracturing in the last Assembly.

Having met the Minister and his staff and reviewed the materials, this campaign is clearly about promoting resource development, something that ITI is very good at. It is not about providing balanced information about the benefits and risks of resource development or about providing opportunities for our citizens to be involved in decision-making around resource development. There is virtually no discussion of any negative environmental or socio-economic impacts, about trade-offs, or effectiveness of current efforts to manage resource development.

This campaign is about doing more of the same rather than introducing innovative ideas that would truly build public confidence in our decision making. Here are a few examples of what we could and should be doing:

• Appoint a science advisor to support informed decisions by Cabinet such as the recent initiative by our federal government;

• Establish an intervener funding program to level the playing field and ensure that Aboriginal governments, communities, and organizations can meaningfully participate in resource development decisions;

• Re-establish a roundtable on the economy and environment to facilitate a dialogue between NGOs and business interests, and to provide independent research on issues of the day;

• Complete land use plans and protected areas to empower the conservation economy.

Pardon the pun, Mr. Speaker, but REDI will not get us ready for resource development. I will have questions for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment later today. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members' statements. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh .

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Strategic Spending On Seniors Services

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi Cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to speak about the lack of strategic spending on the part of the GNWT. The GNWT must increase the amount of money they spend strategically. I am going to speak about an easy one, low hanging fruit, as the saying goes.

Mr. Speaker, seniors care spending is the first scenario that I will speak of. The NWT Housing Corporation could retrofit seniors' homes designed to keep them in their homes and in their communities for an extra ten years on an average of $70,000 per unit. Mr. Speaker, these units could be brought to a barrier free or seniors-friendly level. If the needs of the various nuclear groups has not changed significantly since 2000 which indicated that seniors' household have the highest average need of about 30 per cent.

Mr. Speaker, just for information, on the other side of the spectrum, couples with no children have a core need under 5 per cent, the non-seniors singles and families are somewhere in between the two. However, Mr. Speaker, I do not know 100 per cent if seniors still have a higher need than single.

Mr. Speaker, there are number seniors lead households and 30 per cent of them are in need. Mr. Speaker, if we were to take the 300 seniors homeowners and we were to retrofit their units including energy upgrades, not only would we be taking many seniors out of core need, but we would keep them out of long term care for years. Mr. Speaker, long term care costs the government about $140,000 per senior per year.

Mr. Speaker, you can do the calculations. Over a ten-year period, each senior that remains at home would defer $1,400,000. You can multiply that by 300. Mr. Speaker, that is $420,000,000 over ten years of cost deferral to the GNWT.

Mr. Speaker, this can be completed over four years at about 75 households per year for about $5,000,000 per year. In addition, Mr. Speaker, that calculates to about 60 to 70 jobs plus businesses for building supply companies. This would benefit the NWT immensely. Finally, Mr. Speaker, we can employ homecare workers and make the seniors stay at home easier. Maybe about another 30 employees. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Nahanni Butte Wildfire Evacuation

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on September 7th, while on a regional tour, I was travelling into the communities of Nahanni Butte. Arriving into the community, the weather was good. During our visit, the wind shifted and started to pick up. By the end of the day, we witnessed smoke and some ashes start to engulf the community.

Upon my return to Fort Simpson, I received an update from the Department of MACA about the situation. No emergency at that point. Unfortunately, with Mother Nature anything can change in a heartbeat. During Thursday night, the community leaders decided that it was best to evacuate the community members to across the river for the safety of the elders and others. During this time, the regional NWT Power Corporation, ENR, and MACA staff were engaged with the situation.

About 10 p.m. that night, an ENR staff member drove to the community to provide water and gas for the evacuees. As well, they provided guidance for remaining residents on how to protect their community. Later, the community decided that they should evacuate everybody to Fort Liard. There were approximately 80 evacuees and what impressed me was that the community of Fort Liard was able to house the residents and look after them on such short notice. Normally, Fort Simpson is the location identified as the place to go who are prepared for this type of situation.

The next day, the situation got a bit worse and it was recommended that evacuees stay in Fort Liard for at least another day. At this point in time, the Emergency Measures Operation Committee was activated.

During this trying time, I witnessed the committee work together. In my former job, I had the opportunity to be part of the committee. It still impresses me the work they do. It is like they have emergencies daily. All the departments were engaged doing their respective roles. All evacuees returned to Nahanni Butte on September 9th with no incidents.

Mr. Speaker, in the final Executive Incident Report submitted on September 11th, it was stated that the wildfire was approximately 8,000 hectares in size and located approximately 5 km southwest of Nahanni Butte. With these facts presented, it is understandable how the community saw this as an emergency and took action. Overall, the safety measures were taken to keep residents safe, and an emergency response was acted upon in adequate time. ENR will continue to action and monitor the wildfire until it is out, eliminating the fire threat for the community.

I would like to thank the departments who were part of the EMO committee, and I’d like to thank the residents of Nahanni Butte. I will have questions for the Minister later. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members’ statements. Member for Deh Cho .

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Elder Abuse

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a quick scan of headlines in recent years provides a startling snapshot of the growing problem of elder abuse in our communities. A 2010 report found that up to three-quarters of all elder abuse in the territory was financial abuse, ranging from pressure to make purchases to cover family members' expenses to direct theft of cash or debit and credit cards. In 2011, we heard a call for improved data tracking that we might better understand the scope of the problem. In 2015, a new report confirmed that financial abuse and neglect continued as sources of elders' suffering in our territory.

Today, in 2017, we are halfway through the term of a five-year action plan created by the NWT Network to Prevent Abuse of Older Adults. This plan sought the GNWT's support and called on the government to engage Government Service Officers in championing elder abuse prevention, to collaborate with NGOs, and to implement a centralized reporting system for all cases of elder abuse. Still, the abuse persists.

Mr. Speaker, Dene tradition tells us that elders are to be held in the highest regard. In the Canada of today, though many elders have lived through significant hardships, most of this was directly implemented by the state as in the residential school system or as part of colonialist policy on First Nations communities. These continue to impact younger generations: high rates of drug and alcohol addictions, as well as chronically scarce employment, create conditions in which abuse can take root.

As the government of today, we have a responsibility to address this historical negligence. I do not want to see the same headlines in ten years, Mr. Speaker. We know that the NWT population is aging and that the number of elders and seniors will continue to grow. They deserve to live in safety, confident in the support of their communities, and their government. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Elder Abuse

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Members’ statements. Member for Sahtu .

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Residential School And Orange Shirts

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I wear the orange shirt in recognition of residential school, a traumatized history for the First Peoples of Canada. Being a residential school survivor, looking back to the days on boarding a De Havilland airplane in September and returning in June, it's an experience I would rather not at any choice force on today’s children.

Advancing forward as said by Senator Murray Sinclair, Chair of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission or TRC when asked, “Why don't we forget and move on?” Replied by saying, “Why don't we forget 9/11 or the veterans of World War 2?”

Mr. Speaker, preserving our history is incumbent upon us as we move forward with Canada 150. In our jurisdiction, show of preservation history is what the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is pro-actively doing by including TRC in the curricular system. I commemorate the ones that have passed on and left us. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Item 3, members’ statements. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in gallery. Member for Yellowknife North .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Cory Vanthuyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to take this opportunity to welcome and recognize Yacub Adam, who is a resident of the Yellowknife North constituency. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I’d like to recognize Yacub Adam as well. He is also a member of the NWT Human Rights Commission. Later on, we will be tabling the annual report. Masi for being here with us. Those that we may have missed in the gallery, thanks for joining us. It’s always great to have an audience as part of our proceedings. Masi.

Item 7, acknowledgments. Member for Hay River North .

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Acknowledgement 29-18(2): Christine Simpson's 94th Birthday

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R.J. Simpson

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I know we’re not supposed to have favourites, but today I want to wish a happy 94th birthday to my favourite constituent, Mrs. Christine Simpson. At 21 years old, Mrs. Simpson left her native England for Canada, arriving on Valentine's Day, 1945. After spending two years in northern Alberta, she settled in Hay River in 1948. She calls Hay River home to this day, as do many of her nine children, 29 grandchildren, and many great- and great-great-grandchildren. She is known in the community for her kind heart and gentle soul. Happy birthday, Nana.

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Acknowledgement 29-18(2): Christine Simpson's 94th Birthday

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Acknowledgements. Item 8, oral questions. Member for Yellowknife Centre .

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Question 914-18(2): Yellowknife Adult Day Program

Oral Questions

Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . As I said in my statement, the closure of the Elders Circle adult day program is clearly not temporary. The service provider has no plans to restart it because they cannot afford to do so. My question is: what is the Minister going to do to get an adult day program up and running in Yellowknife? Mahsi.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 914-18(2): Yellowknife Adult Day Program

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I had an opportunity to meet with the board of Avens earlier in September, and it was clear to me at that meeting that they are very passionate about the programs and services that they provide. There is certainly an interest in doing a day program, but at this point in time, they indicated that they want to focus on the delivery of core services that they are providing so that they can continue to provide an incredibly high level of services to their residents. Right now, given some of the financial pressures, they had to make some hard choices, and they are focused on their clients.

They have indicated to me that at some point, obviously, they would like to move forward with a day program, but their first priority has to be their core services. They have indicated to me that when they do explore the possibility of establishing a day program, they are certainly going to use the report that was done in cooperation between the Department of Health and Social Services and Avens at the foundation for moving forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 914-18(2): Yellowknife Adult Day Program

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

The Minister had his official study the Elders Circle program at Avens' request, and I believe that a report was produced by territorial staff and shared with Avens in the summer. When is the Minister going to make this report available to the Standing Committee on Social Development and to the public?

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

The Member has described the process. She did not get it exactly right. In fact, the Department of Health and Social Services collaborated with the Northwest Territories Health and Social Services authority and Avens staff to conduct a review of the previous day program; so it is a joint report that was prepared.

We did provide that final copy to the board, who has had an opportunity to review it, and they have indicated that they are comfortable with us sharing this document. It is a shared document. I was not comfortable releasing it without their support. They have indicated their support, and I will be sharing it with Members this week.

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Question 914-18(2): Yellowknife Adult Day Program

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

I appreciate the Minister's willingness to share that report. The report, I gather, sets out what is required for a quality and safe program for elders in Yellowknife. My question is: how is the Minister going to provide that? Does it all depend on Avens, or is he going to put out an RFP so that other non-profits can bid on it?

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Question 914-18(2): Yellowknife Adult Day Program

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Our first priority is to work with Avens because they have been a high-quality provider of services in the past, and in many ways, they still are. They are providing high-quality core services to their residents. When Avens does consider re-establishing the program once their finances are in order, they were hoping to use or they, rather, intend to use the report that was provided and will be shared to help them design a safe, effective, and responsive day program. Our first priority is to work with them to see if we could find a way to get to that place. If we cannot, obviously, we will have to look at alternatives, but in the meantime, to start, we are working with Avens.

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Yellowknife Centre .

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Question 914-18(2): Yellowknife Adult Day Program

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Avens was very clear that they have no plans to restart this day program. I do not understand what the delay is in the Minister finding a new service provider or a collection of service providers, how about Yellowknife Seniors and Yellowknife Day Care, to provide this day program. We cannot be held hostage. Our elders cannot be held hostage because Avens is experiencing its own financial issues. The Minister needs to be proactive in providing a day program. When is that going to happen? Mahsi.

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Question 914-18(2): Yellowknife Adult Day Program

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

To be clear, Avens indicated that they are not planning to reinitiate the day program at this time, but there is certainly consideration for doing it at some point. Because they have been such a valuable partner in the provision of services to seniors in Yellowknife, we are hoping to continue that relationship, but I have acknowledged that, should we not be able to do that, we will certainly look at other alternatives.

Immediately, our first priority needs to be working with Avens to make sure that they are delivering and continue to deliver the high-quality core programs they do, which would hopefully lead to a position where they can support day programs. They never said, Mr. Speaker, that they are never going to deliver a day program. They said at this time their priority has to be core services. That is what we are helping them do, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Oral questions. Member for Nahendeh .

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Question 915-18(2): Emergency Response Systems In Nahanni Butte

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to follow up on my Member's statement with questions for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . Mr. Speaker, since the community initiated the evacuation to Ford Liard, does the department cover the costs incurred by the community of Nahanni Butte? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

Masi. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs .

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Question 915-18(2): Emergency Response Systems In Nahanni Butte

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Municipal governments are actually responsible for evacuation plans. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs works with them to develop their emergency evacuation plans and also to review them. If the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs asked residents to leave because we have deemed a need for an evacuation, then we will cover the costs. If the community takes it upon themselves to ask people to leave, then it is up to the community to deal with those costs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 915-18(2): Emergency Response Systems In Nahanni Butte

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

I thank the Minister for that answer. During this situation where they evacuated, halfway through, all of a sudden the EMO committee was activated, and they actually encouraged the residents to stay in Ford Liard. With that extra day of costs, will the department be covering those costs?

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Question 915-18(2): Emergency Response Systems In Nahanni Butte

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

Absolutely. On the second day of evacuation, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs decided that it would be better to keep the residents out of the community for an extra day. Those costs would be covered, and we have just got the municipality collecting those at this time.

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

I thank the Minister for that answer. I think the community will be happy to at least get some of their costs back, and I greatly appreciate it. In normal situations, Fort Simpson is the location where people get located to. Unfortunately the community, with the ferry and that, decided to go to Fort Liard. Fort Liard did a great job, but will the department be looking at getting the community of Fort Liard better prepared for future situations so that they can actually evacuate to Fort Liard instead of Fort Simpson, which has to rely on a ferry system?

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Question 915-18(2): Emergency Response Systems In Nahanni Butte

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

Yes, after any kind of an emergency or an evacuation within a community, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs does do a review of the situation to see if there are issues that we could make better. I do want to put a call out to the community of Nahanni Butte. They did an awesome job of the evacuation. It was without incident. They did a really great job. There were some things, like I say, transferring to Fort Liard when they should have gone to Fort Simpson. Those are issues that we are looking at to see if we can make their plan better for the next time - hopefully not next time.

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Question 915-18(2): Emergency Response Systems In Nahanni Butte

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 915-18(2): Emergency Response Systems In Nahanni Butte

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I agree with you. I hope it never has to happen again. Unfortunately, in my 23 years, I have seen a number of evacuations. I am hoping that you are going to be working with the Hamlet of Fort Liard so they can be better prepared. My last question is about the communication system. Unfortunately, the community used Facebook as their way of getting information out about how to evacuate, and the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs used emergency bulletins and web pages to get that information. However, when the community evacuates, they are on the other side of the river.

They do not have access to this information, or they cannot get this information. Will the Minister or the Department be looking at a better way of communicating so that the people can continue to do a better job at evacuating?

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 915-18(2): Emergency Response Systems In Nahanni Butte

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

Yes, as stated earlier, any time that there is a major disaster, in this case, an evacuation, we do review all the techniques that were used, the tactics, and see if we can make them better. Some communities, I hate to say that are in better situation than others. I know market communities, they will put them on public service announcements. They have webpages. They have radio announcements

Smaller communities unfortunately do not often have that service, so sometimes it is a matter of communities actually having to go door-to-door to get people evacuated. Nahanni Butte did have cell service so that helped them. When we were bringing people back and asking them to stay longer, we actually coordinated that with the band manager who did a really great job in this case of actually communicating to the residents of Nahanni Butte, but it is something that we need to look at, and to see if there are ways that we can improve communications for residents, especially in the smaller communities where they do not have the services that market communities do. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 916-18(2): Resource And Energy Development Information Initiative

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Monsieur le President. My questions are for the Minister of Industry who is leading the Resource and Energy Development and Information campaign or REDI. Can the Minister explain how REDI is supposed to build public confidence in our ability to develop resources in a responsible way? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Based on the Member's statement today and from when he was in committee last week, I think there is a disconnect from how his vision of REDI is and what our vision of REDI is. REDI is a fact-based information based on risks and potential of resource and energy development in the Northwest Territories, and that is how we are taking

part in engaging the public in the NWT.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister for that response, and I guess we can agree to disagree, but somehow, I would hope that he would agree that building public confidence in our ability to manage resource development is something that we should be working towards. The REDI campaign, though, seems to be partially in response to the attempt to regulate fracking during the 17th Assembly. I could locate only two handouts or five pages on fracking and REDI materials, and there is not much discussion in there about impacts or tradeoffs.

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

The short answer is, no. The government is going to be carrying out our Petroleum and Resource Act on oil and gas operations in the very near future. This is going to give residents of the Northwest Territories an opportunity to discuss what level of transparency they want to see in hydraulic fracturing. We will bring that forward at the time. There will probably be a number of questions around hydraulic fracturing, I believe, when we go out with this, as it was a big subject on the last Assembly.

They are going to know what kind of fluids are used, or additives, and these sort of things, and transparency and confidentiality provisions, these sorts of things that are in that act, and we will be bringing those forward when we go forward, as I said, with the Petroleum Resource and Oil and Gas Act.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

I look forward to that process of building confidence and trust as we move forward, but one of the biggest obstacles to ensure public confidence in our resource development decisions and to ensure timely and informed decisions is a lack of any participant or intervener funding programs. Canadians south of 60 degrees north have a right to participant funding in federal environmental assessments while we do not. Why is participant funding not part of the REDI campaign?

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

The Member brought this up when we were in the briefing on REDI. At that point, if I said, that these are all worthy considerations that can be considered by Members of Cabinet, and I recommended at that time that he can bring them forward in a letter to us, and we can be able to look at those initiatives moving forward, but REDI initiative is not the place to have these discussions.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Thanks again to the Minister, but I am not sure how REDI is going to make us anymore ready for resource development. As I said, REDI is clearly focused on promoting resource development, and that is a good thing, and it is something that ITI does very well. No question about that. I mentioned a number of other initiatives that would help build public confidence in our resource management decisions including: a science advisor to Cabinet; re-establishment of a round table on the environment and economy; completion of land use plans; completion of our protected areas. Why are these initiatives not part of the REDI campaign?

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

As I have said, I think we can agree to disagree. REDI is about a public information initiative to bring a whole government approach to all the things that relate to resource development. It is not about promoting resource development. It is about informing the general public of what concerns they can have, and have one-on-one conversations with geologists, land inspectors, water inspectors, regulators, regulatory bodies, and that is what the initiative is, to help inform the public. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 917-18(2): Marine Transportation Services

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today my question is directed to the Minister of DOI, acknowledging the statements made earlier. My first question is directed to the Marine Transportation Services department. How has MTS addressed the environmental issues within the properties purchased? Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have addressed environmental issues in the short time that we have had this. Moving forward, we have identified and secured a number of habits that are just waste on our property, particularly in Hay River, and we are in the process of moving that from the shipyard. We are developing a plan to get rid of the scrap metal in the coming years. As many people know, the amount of derelict ships and boats that are in the Hay River shipyard that will have to be cut up, and removed, and abated. We are also in the process of doing our environment assessments on all our properties that came with the purchase of MTS.

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thanks to the Minister for that question of clarity on the disposal action plan. My next question is, did MTS generate any revenue other than through the community resupply?

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Yes, we did. We had some contract work this year with a number of our vessels, and we went out and did that. We also did some maintenance work at the shipyard on the Canadian coast guard vessels that were stationed out of Hay River, and got them under way for their sailing season. We also did some work on some third party vessels in the Hay River shipyard.

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Considering the third party revenues that came into this newly acquired division, did we make any money?

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

At the appropriate time, we will be bringing forward the business plan for the past sailing season, the lessons learned. Once the sailing season is totally concluded and wrapped up, we will be able to bring that information forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

This is more of a comment. I look forward to the upcoming business plans you are scheduled for November so I will reserve that fourth question at that time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 918-18(2): Aging In Place Housing Needs

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Marsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement, I talked a bit about aging in place and some of the numbers around that. I would like to ask the Minister if she would commit to completing planning for aging in place prior to winter roads so that the process of allowing seniors to age in place can begin this summer. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Northwest Territories Housing Corporation is actually just beginning to do a full study on seniors' needs, not only where they are most populated and where we should be building, but also what exactly they want within those buildings. We will be working with the Department of Health and Social Services because I know they have quite a bit of information. We will be working with the NWT Seniors' Society. We are looking at how better we can serve seniors, not only what their necessities are, but also what their wants are as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

I think my question and my statement are mostly around senior homeowners; not what can be built for the seniors, but allowing the seniors to age in place in their own home, in their own community. That is the planning I am referring to, Mr. Speaker. Can I get the Minister to commit to completing that planning prior to winter roads?

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

I do have to say that I am the Minister for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation . I do not run the Department of Infrastructure, and I do hope the Department of Infrastructure is also working on winter roads because winter is right around the corner. I can say that we have 700 seniors currently in public housing units. We have 374 public housing units that are designated for seniors and/or disabled people. We built seniors' complexes within the last couple of years in Fort McPherson, Fort Good Hope, Fort Liard, Whati, and Aklavik.

We have increased programs for seniors. We have a seniors' retrofit program. They can qualify for the CARE Major, CARE Minor, or SAFE Program. The seniors' retrofit is on top of all those; so it can be compounded for their renovations. The biggest thing I want seniors to know, though, is our CARE PM program. That program will actually come in once a year and actually look at things such as your furnace, such as your hot water tank, to hopefully make sure that you will not have any problems over the winter months.

The biggest thing, like I say, is to let all our seniors know, our elders know, in the communities, to apply for the CARE Preventative Maintenance, because that is the most effective way to provide services to seniors before crises happen.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

I am not talking about construction of winter roads. I know that if I have a question on winter road construction, I would ask the Minister of Infrastructure . I am trying to get a feel for whether or not the Housing Corporation has done any planning at all. What I am referring to is home ownership, not public housing. That does not matter to me. We can continue to move seniors around in the appropriate public housing in order that they remain in public housing as long as possible. I know that for sure. That is obvious.

I am asking about seniors who are aging out of their houses, and what we need to do is make sure that they are able to remain in their homes. I am asking the Minister the question for that reason. Has the Minister determined the number of seniors across the NWT that can age in their own home, in their own community?

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

As stated earlier in my answers, we are actually just in the process of doing a full review of all services available to seniors, identifying how many seniors, what their needs are, and what the most effective way is to keep them not only in their homes, but comfortable, so that they can be in their homes and age in place. That process is just starting.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are approximately 2,900 households in need in the NWT. I would like to ask the Minister if the NWT Housing Corporation, in the last two years, has been able to divide that need into the four nuclear groups that I spoke of earlier.

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Caroline Cochrane

Range Lake

Every five years, the government of the Northwest Territories does a statistical analysis of all the residents in the Northwest Territories. Part of that actually addresses the housing needs within the territories, and that gives us our core need report. The last one was done in 2014; so I am expecting that fairly soon another full report will be done. At that time, it will break down exactly where the core needs are, if it is suitability, adequacy, or affordability. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 919-18(2): Impacts Of Proposed Transportation Canada Air Safety Regulations On Northern Airlines

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Herbert Nakimayak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier, I spoke about air transportation regulations, and my questions are for the Minister of Infrastructure . Mr. Speaker, my first question is: what is the GNWT's position on proposed federal regulatory air transport changes? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As all Members know, safety of our passengers and our pilots is the number one concern of the Government of Northwest Territories when it comes to air travel. This one-approach-fits-all for the regulatory change does not work well for the government of the Northwest Territories and particularly the airline industry on this approach. We are going to work very closely with our federal counterparts on ways to address the unique needs of our operators and our airports in the Northwest Territories, and we will hopefully do this through appropriate amendments to the federal regulations coming forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Herbert Nakimayak

Nunakput

I appreciate the response. Mr. Speaker, this is not the first time that specific issues to the Northwest Territories have been affected through federal regulations. I think it is time for a Northwest Territories 101 to federal Ministers so that they can closely understand our unique needs. Mr. Speaker, my second question is: what is the GNWT doing to intervene on behalf of the Northern aviation industry?

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Just so Members know, on this particular regulation change, this is under the authority of Transport Canada with the federal government; so there is no direct role for the Government of Northwest Territories or myself or the department. Nevertheless, with that said, we know there are a lot of concerns with this going forward around flight times, flight duty times, rest periods, and travel times, of that type of nature.

We expect that the proposed regulations, if they were to go forward the way they are presented, would have a serious impact on residents of the Northwest Territories and its passengers and shipping and cargo. We are keeping a very close eye on this. We will continue to monitor the proposed changes of the Canadian Aviation Regulations, and we will be pressing our federal counterparts and make sure they are very aware of our unique challenges of the Northwest Territories.

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Herbert Nakimayak

Nunakput

It is good to see that the Minister is looking at this. Mr. Speaker, my final question is: will the Minister commit to speaking with his counterparts in the Yukon and Nunavut to urgently develop a Northern position on these proposed changes?

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Question 919-18(2): Impacts Of Proposed Transportation Canada Air Safety Regulations On Northern Airlines

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

I regularly talk to my counterparts in the Yukon and Nunavut on a broad range of issues. With this one in particular, I am sure we are going to have more conversations, particularly with Nunavut, as they are a little bit more remote and face more challenges than the Yukon and very similar to us. We will continue to press the federal government, I imagine, all on the same page moving forward, in particular, possibly as soon as the next FTP meeting around transportation.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Question 920-18(2): Avens Funding And Operational Review

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to continue my questions for the Minister of Health and Social Services . My first question is: how long is he prepared to wait for Avens to get itself into a position for providing a day program? Mahsi.

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Question 920-18(2): Avens Funding And Operational Review

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Avens, as I indicated, has always been a fantastic partner for the provision of services for seniors here in Yellowknife and, really, for residents across the Northwest Territories. They are having some financial difficulties right now. They are trying to ensure that they are spending their money wisely, and we are working closely with Avens right now to make sure that they can continue to move forward to provide core services. We obviously would like them to continue day services, but we really need to understand where they are financially.

Once we have a better sense, we’ll be in a position to determine whether or not we can help them more in the area of day program or whether we’re going to have to look outside, but we do need a little bit of time to work with Avens to see where we are, see where they are, and figure out a path forward. I don’t intend to wait like a huge amount of time, but I do out of respect for our far-out partners want to make sure that we are working with them with them as closely as we can in the likelihood that they will be able to provide those services in the future, and if not, we’ll find another way. Thank you, Mr.

Speaker.

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the spring session, the Minister said that Avens had requested an operational review to “look at how they are spending their money to make sure they are getting the dollars being allocated and they are using them to maximum effect.” Has the Minister agreed to fund this review? Mahsi.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Avens is an incredibly important partner. We’re working closely right now with them to look at the different areas where they’re having some financial pressure. One of the things that’s come up is the decrease in revenues and how that’s affecting the overall operations. We’re working closely with Avens to explore these different things, find out what’s happening, and find a way to ensure that they’re getting the money they need and that the money that they’re getting is being spent on the core services that they’re so good at providing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister funding an operational review of Avens at this time? Mahsi.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we’re not funding an operational review at this point in time, but we are working closely with them to do an analysis of their programs or services and the areas that we provide funding. The department flows funding for operations of Avens Manor long-term care facility for the operation of Avens cottages, the operation of the territorial dementia facility through the NWT Health and Social Services Authority.

The three groups are working together to figure out how those dollars are being allocated, if it’s enough, if it’s not enough, how we can improve services, and we’re working closely with our partner. This is a partnership, Mr. Speaker. We’re not looking to impose anything on this point. They want to be involved. We want to be involved. We’re working together. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 920-18(2): Avens Funding And Operational Review

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Avens Manor and Avens dementia cottages together lost almost $200,000 in the last fiscal year. Granted, that’s less than the year before, but it’s still not a sustainable position for Avens to be in. I would like the Minister to talk about what he thinks the possible solutions are, especially with respect to revenue. Mahsi.

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Question 920-18(2): Avens Funding And Operational Review

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the things we’ve talked about in this House before is looking at the rates that are being charged for different long-term care facilities in the Northwest Territories per bed, but with Avens as an example, we have taken some steps already. Last month, September, the department provided Avens with funding to pay the major loan that has been taken to do some site preparation, so we paid off their $1.1 million loan which is going to help them address some of their costs with respect to paying back that loan but also some of the interest costs on that loan.

We are doing things immediately. We are trying to help them address some of their pressures. Some of the things are going to take a little bit more time, but we’re working with them to identify where they feel some changes need to be made and how we can work together to make sure that Avens continues to be sustainable in the long-term. Thank you.

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Question 921-18(2): Review Of Government Of The Northwest Territories Procurement Policies

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Kieron Testart

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government’s spending is approximately equivalent to 52 per cent of our GDP. That’s $3.854 billion. This compares to, let’s take a province in Canada: Ontario, our largest. Their government spending amounts to 20 per cent of GDP, so clearly our government has a huge role in this economy. A lot of that comes out of procurement of these contracts. I’d like to ask the Minister of Infrastructure if he will once again commit to a comprehensive review of our procurement policies on this very important economic driver. Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ve been on record. I’ve told the Member a number of times in this House, no, I will not review the procurement nature of the department. We’re all working on the mandate of this Legislative Assembly. A number of initiatives fall under my departments, which are directly related to economic development in the Northwest Territories. We’re pushing on those mandate items and we will continue to do so. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kieron Testart

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thought ahead of the mid-term review, I might gain some more traction on this issue. It’s true, the Minister does have a number of mandate commitments, but procurement is an ongoing issue of every government and doesn’t need a specific mandate commitment especially when the concerns are out there.

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to ask the Minister about prompt payment. Prompt payment is a practice for businesses who are required to agree to fair and reasonable terms of their suppliers, ensures suppliers’ invoices are approved and paid within agreed terms, and to encourage the adoption of the same practices through their supply chain. Is the Minister aware of this concept and does the department practice it? Thank you.

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Wally Schumann

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I’m well aware of the department’s mandate to do prompt payment. I believe most of the payments, not always because there are always circumstances around every challenging one that comes forward but we’re supposed to pay within 20 days of receipt of an invoice and that’s what we will continue to do as a department. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kieron Testart

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly, our government is