Oral Questions, Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, Health and Social Services — 13 June 1995 (12th Assembly, 7th Session, pp. 1279–1309)

1995-06-13, 12th Assembly 7th Session, pp. 1279–1309

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Oral Questions, Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, Health and Social Services — 13 June 1995 (12th Assembly, 7th Session, pp. 1279–1309)

1995-06-13, 12th Assembly 7th Session, pp. 1279–1309

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Debates of June 13th, 1995

This is page numbers 1279 - 1309 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was education .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Norman Wells Fire

Third Reading Of Bill C-68

Position Of NWT Mps On Bill C-68

Preparation Of Nwt-wide Organizations For Division

Snare River Hydro Project

Opening Of Regional Visitors' Centre In Inuvik

Member's Statement Regarding On-the-land Safety Practices

Successful Trip Of Ed&t Minister To Nahendeh

Sister Sutherland's Book On Bishop Piche

Western Arctic Regional Visitors' Centre In Inuvik

Retirement Of Teacher Jean Paul Grimard

Passage Of Bill C-68

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Maintenance Of Ingraham Trail

Update On Motion Re Official Languages

Responsibility For Reviewing Allocation Of Languages Funding

Number Of GNWT Lay-offs Due To Language Funding Cuts

Update On Legal Interpreting Program

Notification Of Licence Plate Renewals

Consultation For Development Of Official Languages Handbook

Projects Approved Under Canada/nwt Infrastructure Program

Status Of NWT Caterpillar Infestation

Appointment Of Adm For Nunavut Education Issues

Funding From Aurora College For New Fort Smith Recreation Complex

Status Of Health And Social Services Amalgamation

Reassignment Of Official Languages Responsibilities

Written Question 31-12(7): Funds Transferred From The Inuktitut Literacy Training Program

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 32:

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2

Committee Report 11-12(7): Report On The Review Of Bill 25 - The Education Act

To Adopt Recommendation 1

To Adopt Recommendation 2

To Adopt Recommendation 3

To Adopt Recommendation 4

To Adopt Recommendation 5

Bill 25: Education Act

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mrs. Thompson , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 1279

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Koe . Good afternoon. I wish to inform the House that I have received the following message from Her Honour, the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories:

Dear Mr. Speaker: I wish to advise that I recommend to the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories the passage of Bill 34, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96, during the Seventh Session of the 12th Legislative Assembly." It was signed by Helen Maksagak, Commissioner.

---Applause

Orders of the day, Item 1, Ministers' statements. Point of privilege, Ms. Mike .

Point Of Privilege

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will try and do this in monotone. Mr. Speaker, I have a point of privilege pursuant to Rule 20(1), and, with your permission, I would like to rise on a point of privilege to clarify a matter that was reported on the 7:30 a.m. newscast on CBC Mackenzie.

Mr. Speaker, during question period yesterday, I was raising questions to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment concerning the Minister's responses to the recommendations of the Nunavut leaders summit on education issues. In the heat of the questions and the Minister's answers, I tried to raise a point of order concerning the Minister referring to the report of the Nunavut Implementation Commission.

My point of privilege is the manner in which the CBC reported the events. The news report indicated that I, and I quote: "Baffin Central MLA, Rebecca Mike , had to be told to calm down in the Legislative Assembly yesterday." It also went on to indicate, and I further quote: "She interrupted Nerysoo twice, the first time pointing, raising her voice and hitting her desk until the Speaker told her to sit down."

Mr. Speaker, CBC is radio, not television, and if television had been the reporting media, it would have shown that I did not hit my desk; and you, Mr. Speaker, did not tell me to sit down. Mr. Speaker, you were here and know that the facts were not reported correctly. Once again, the CBC has failed to report accurately the proceedings of this Assembly.

Mr. Speaker, I wanted to advise the House of this issue and trust that CBC in the future will make every effort to report accurate proceedings and comments and not sensationalize issues.

Thank you.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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An Hon. Member

Hear! Hear!

---Applause

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Mike . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 90-12(7): Norman Wells Fire

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to advise Members today that the Norman Wells fire continues to be held and the fire guards are well secured. As I told you yesterday, crews have been back burning at Vermilion Creek for the past several days. That task is now generally completed, and the wildfire and back burns have met in some spots. With the changing weather conditions, it is difficult to predict when the fire might be out.

Mr. Speaker, the community leaders and crews who have worked on the fires deserve a lot of credit. I am especially pleased that we have managed both the Fort Norman and Norman Wells fire situations with the crews and equipment we already have on contract. As I have said before, these are largely our own people and resources. So far, we have done the job without bringing in a lot of southern equipment and experts.

I am optimistic that I can continue to bring good news on these fires but stress that the entire western Arctic is extremely hot, with very little rain predicted.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 90-12(7): Norman Wells Fire

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Patterson .

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Third Reading Of Bill C-68

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, as a result of a motion limiting debate, Bill C-68 will be given third reading in the House of Commons. Two amendments have been introduced by our MP, Jack Anawak, who says he will vote in favour of the bill, and by Minister of Justice , Allan Rock.

One amendment made by Mr. Rock will exempt Inuit subsistence hunters from the borrowing or lending provisions of the bill. Although it goes a little way towards recognizing the way northern people hunt, often as a collective enterprise, this amendment still leaves us with many problems.

First of all, it is only subsistence hunters who will not be charged for borrowing or lending a firearm. To date, subsistence hunting has been very narrowly defined by the courts and by officials. Many of our aboriginal constituents are active hunters but they are not classified as subsistence hunters because they have jobs where they earn more than $30,000 a year.

Secondly, another class of northern hunters, non-native hunters, many of whom live with and hunt with aboriginal people, are completely left out of this amendment.

The end result of this amendment is that it will create three classes of hunters in the NWT: aboriginal subsistence hunters who will be lucky enough not to be charged for borrowing or lending firearms, although they still will not be exempt from registering their guns; and, aboriginal hunters who have jobs, who, along with non-native hunters, will be charged for loaning or borrowing firearms without permits and permission. Three classes of hunters, two sets of rules.

A more serious problem is that even if a hunter is lucky enough to be in the narrow class of people who will be exempt from the rules for borrowing or lending, no aboriginal hunter will be exempt from the requirement to register rifles and have a permit to buy a rifle. My constituents consider these compulsory registration provisions to be a major infringement on their ability to hunt and pursue a life on the land. For families who own a lot of firearms for the various seasons and species they hunt, compulsory registration will be a major hassle.

It is misleading to pretend that it will not be a major inconvenience and interference with the traditional outdoor lifestyle and the ability to purchase and sell firearms as tools used in pursuit of the renewable resources economy. This amendment does nothing about compulsory registration and the huge amounts of money which will have to be spent so wastefully in the north trying to make an unworkable system work.

The other amendment made by Mr. Anawak adds a new clause stating that Bill C-68 does not take away from aboriginal or treaty rights. Mr. Speaker, I don't want my constituents to think that this amendment will save them from the application of Bill C-68. I would like to be, with unanimous consent, allowed to conclude my statement today.

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Third Reading Of Bill C-68

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Iqaluit is seeking unanimous consent to complete his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Patterson , conclude your statement.

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Third Reading Of Bill C-68

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

It will still force them to register their firearms and be licensed to purchase a firearm.

The effect of the new clause in the bill is unclear. Aboriginal people who are charged may be able to use this clause to defend themselves, but they will have to rely on an expensive and time-consuming and frustrating court process to do so. Federal Crown prosecutors will be fighting to uphold Bill C-68, we can be sure. The only people who will profit from this clause will be defence lawyers, Crown prosecutors and judges. This non-derogation clause will not give the Inuit the clear protection and complete exemption from the application of the bill which they want and deserve.

Mr. Speaker, I want to say as clearly as I can to my constituents, don't let anyone fool you into thinking that the Inuit land claim agreement will protect you from the effects of this invasive law. Don't be misled into thinking that a new clause in the bill paying lip service to aboriginal and treaty rights will protect you from this invasive law, either.

This bill is no good for us. It won't work; it won't be respected; it will be a colossal waste of money much better spent on community justice priorities, including more police officers. These feeble amendments have not dealt with the fundamental problems we face with this bill in the north. Qujannamiik, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Third Reading Of Bill C-68

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Thompson .

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Position Of NWT Mps On Bill C-68

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is with a heavy heart that I rise in this House today. I have heard that Bill C-68 will have its final reading in the House of Commons and then be referred to the Senate for their review. Mr. Speaker, it is obvious to all Members of this Assembly that the federal government consultation process on this bill was nothing more than smoke and mirrors.

It is truly unfortunate, Mr. Speaker, that the federal government has decided to ignore the needs of the people we are privileged to represent. This bill and it's provisions will create undue hardship for those who rely on guns as a tool to feed their families, protect themselves and maintain their lifestyles.

Mr. Speaker, as an aboriginal woman of Inuit descent, I have seen the effects of well-meaning kabloona on the welfare of my people. I strongly believe, Mr. Speaker, that this bill, Bill C-68, will create the same types of hardship for my people as the Greenpeace people did over the seal hunt.

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Position Of NWT Mps On Bill C-68

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Shame.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

In this crucial time leading up to division, we have enough on our plates in Nunavut and in the western Arctic without having to implement and enforce laws that do not represent our constituents' needs.

The federal government has said that the implementation and enforcement of the provisions of the Gun Control Act will be provincial or territorial responsibilities. Where will we get the money? As I speak, Mr. Speaker, the western Arctic is well on its way to the worst fire season ever. In Nunavut, there are still serious housing shortages that need to be addressed. The federal government has consistently cut back the money they give us to administer these programs and yet, by the same token, Mr. Speaker, expect our government to take on more responsibility with less money.

Mr. Speaker, I would like consent from my colleagues to continue.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Kivallivik -- Aivilik, sorry -- is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mrs. Thompson .

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Position Of NWT Mps On Bill C-68

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In Ottawa, the people of the north are represented in the ruling Liberal party by two outstanding aboriginal people, Mr. Jack Anawak and the Honourable Ethel Blondin-Andrew. These two people are, unfortunately, linked to the concept of party discipline. Ms. Blondin-Andrew and Mr. Anawak are supposed to subject their feelings, and those of their constituents, to the greater political will of their party and the rest of urban Canada.

Mr. Speaker, this issue is too important to northerners for our two elected representatives to toe the party line and vote in the affirmative. They must come out and support the people they represent, regardless of the consequences. They have no alternative. The electorate will not forgive or forget such an insult to their way of life.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I quote from an

article in yesterday's Toronto Star in which Ms. Blondin-Andrew said on the issue of her voting on the gun control bill that, "A person can't die on every hill. You have to pick the hill you're going to die on, but the people in my riding are telling me this is my hill." This quote, Mr. Speaker, is twofold. If Mrs. Blondin-Andrew chooses to vote for her party, she risks losing her seat in the next federal election. If she chooses to truly represent her constituents and vote against the bill, she risks alienating herself from her party.

Obviously, Mr. Speaker, this is not an easy decision for our MPs to make, but they must remember that they were elected to be our voice in Ottawa and that voice, Mr. Speaker, is loud and clear. I trust they will make the right decision for the people by voting against Bill C-68. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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An Hon. Member

Hear! Hear!

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 3, Members' statements. Ms. Mike .

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Preparation Of Nwt-wide Organizations For Division

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we enter into our discussions and deliberations on Bill 25, Education Act , it makes me think about planning for education in Nunavut in preparation for 1999. In addition to my Member's statement last week about the resolutions made in Gjoa Haven by Nunavut leaders, I'm concerned about what our future holds for our teachers in the east.

As the Government of the Northwest Territories plans for division of its resources, assets and liabilities, it must be recognized that there are a variety of organizations that may also need to plan for an equitable split of their resources between east and west. As most Members are aware, teachers in the north belong to the NWT Teachers' Association. Over one-third of the members of the NWT Teachers' Association reside in Nunavut. Should it be decided that the teachers not be represented by the same association in the east as in the west, due consideration must be given to a process for the division of resources and assets.

It is crucial that organizations that are NWT-wide begin to address these questions immediately, in order to adequately prepare for life after Nunavut. Teachers' representation is just one area that we must be aware of, Mr. Speaker, where a body established by statute may take on new forms in preparation for or after division of the territories. In our haste to plan for division of government assets, liabilities and entities, we must not lose sight of those bodies and organizations that are also facing the same decisions and challenges. As much as possible, this government must be committed to assist in the process for all northerners. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Mike . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Snare River Hydro Project

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This afternoon, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Morin made a Minister's statement about using our own people and our own resources to solve our own problems. My statement this afternoon, Mr. Speaker, is on a similar theme.

Last Saturday, Mr. Speaker, I joined people from the Power Corporation, utility and mining companies, as well as Dogrib leaders on a visit to the Snare River hydro project. Mr. Whitford already referred to this visit yesterday. It was meaningful for him because he had been there early in his career with the Power Corporation 30 years ago. The visit was meaningful for me too, Mr. Speaker, because I've had a lifelong interest in northern responsible government and northern self-sufficiency.

Mr. Speaker, I'm delighted to see the development of our hydro potential. Although there will always be critics of man's attempts to harness the forces of nature, I believe hydro is one of the most responsible ways of generating power. It is clean and sustainable. The future of Yellowknife and the Dogrib people, although many Yellowknifers don't realize it yet, are very closely connected. The Dogrib own much of the land and will have a major say in development in the Yellowknife region. The Snare hydro project is exciting, Mr. Speaker.

It's not huge or overwhelming, you can understand it, and it is much like others throughout the world which are a little bit overwhelming to the average individual.

The Snare project was begun over 40 years ago. We have learned from the experience. Now as the city of Yellowknife enjoys rapid growth and we seem on the verge of increased industrial activity in the region, it is nice to see the Dogrib people and the various companies planning to meet our future energy needs. It's nice to see groups working in harmony on such an important project. Soon, hopefully, Yellowknife will no longer be dependent on imported diesel to generate power. It's a perfect example of import replacement, which we all agree is one of the keys to our future economic well-being.

Using our own resources and our own people is the major road to economic self-sufficiency.

I was told over the weekend, Mr. Speaker, that we are in danger of losing the kind of harmony that we need to solve all our problems, but this is one example of where we are succeeding. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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Opening Of Regional Visitors' Centre In Inuvik

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on Sunday, June 11th, I had the privilege and honour to attend the grand opening ceremonies of the new Western Arctic Regional Visitors' Centre which is located in Inuvik. It was a beautiful day in Inuvik with over 300 people in attendance to enjoy the ceremony, the entertainment and the feasting. There are many people and many organizations to thank and I would like to take this opportunity to do this.

First of all, I would like to thank Minister Todd and all the previous Ministers of Economic Development and Cabinets for supporting this worthy project. I say Ministers and Cabinets because this project has been in the planning and development stages for a long time. I know because when I was regional superintendent for the department in 1987, we started talks on the development of this project.

People say that all good things take time and from the building that is there now, it looks like it has been done right. I would also like to thank the various deputy ministers, the assistant deputy ministers and other departmental staff who have been involved in this project. Special mention should be made of John Cournoyea, who I believe has been the only consistent player in this project from day one. John is the manager for parks and visitor services in the Inuvik region.

People in Inuvik, especially the Inuvialuit and Gwich'in organizations, have played key roles in this project. They formed a joint venture to construct this building using Tetlit'zheh Construction Limited as a general contractor. The themes and displays which are in and around the building will depict the Inuvialuit and Gwich'in lifestyles and history. The display designers also deserve credit for a job well done.

I would also like to thank all the people who helped make this special day a success. Mr. Speaker, I seek consent to continue my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Inuvik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Koe .

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Qujannamiik, Mr. Speaker. The people I would like to thank are the weathermen, for the good day we had; Lloyd Binder and his staff from Economic Development and Tourism; Billy Day and the Inuvik Community Corporation; Willard Hagen and the Gwich'in Tribal Council; the elders and youth who participated in the ribbon-cutting ceremonies; the people who prepared the food; Andrea Camerand and the staff of the visitors' centre; Mike Tryon and members of the Western Arctic Tourism Association; the Inuvik Delta drummers and dancers; Ruby McLeod's East Three Wheelers; and, the Inuvik Choral and Theatrical Society.

I would also like to thank Premier Cournoyea for attending and participating in the opening ceremonies.

I would like to give special mention also to Gordie Campbell for making the dedication to the bush pilots of the Beaufort/Delta area. One of the displays outside of the centre is a real airplane. I believe it is a Cessna 170A airplane, which was owned and operated by Freddy Carmichael of Reindeer Air Services. This airplane is mounted on a swivel and anchored so that the plane can move into whatever direction the wind is blowing. It is something to see. Congratulations go to all the bush pilots who were pioneers in aviation and helped to develop the north.

For everyone else whom I did not mention today, I, on behalf of the people of Inuvik and region, wish to congratulate you on a job well done and a visitors' centre which we should all be proud of. Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Allooloo .

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Member's Statement Regarding On-the-land Safety Practices

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1282

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to talk about the challenges we face as northern people and safety on the land. This is a great time of year to be out on the land. At least back home, the fish are running. The char are going out to see. Snow geese are nesting. Murres and ducks are coming back to nest on the cliffs. The young seals are sunbathing on the ice and people are whale hunting out on the floe. School is out in most of the communities and families are heading out in spring and summer camps.

Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, too many accidents are happening every year that could be avoided. Mr. Speaker, I would like to caution everyone to be careful while enjoying the traditional activities out on the land and outdoors, particularly at this time of year when the weather can be deceiving. It can be a warm and sunny day, but the water is extremely cold. Hypothermia can happen very quickly, as I found out last weekend when I was out in my kayak. Most of the time, Mr. Speaker, I can get up again. But I was shocked to discover how cold the water is when you tip over. My body went numb.

Thankfully, I was wearing a lifejacket and I was travelling with experienced paddlers who rescued me before I was overcome by the cold water. It took the rest of the day for my body to warm itself.

Accidents can be prevented, Mr. Speaker, if people take time to prepare before heading out. People must remember to let other people know where they are going and when they expect to return. Travellers on the land must learn to anticipate dangerous situations and avoid them at all costs. Back home when hunting along the floe, the ice sometimes breaks off. The hunters find themselves...Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude.

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Samuel Gargan

The Member for Amittuq is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Back home when hunting along the floe, the ice sometimes breaks off. The hunters find themselves adrift on the ocean. An experienced hunter knows exactly what to do in this situation. Traditional knowledge will tell you to avoid the situation that could leave you adrift in the Arctic Ocean. An experienced person or hunter could be in great danger in this situation.

Mr. Speaker, being on the land will always involve a certain amount of danger, but if we draw upon the knowledge of our elders, who have been here longer than we have, as well as taking advantage of new technology that can be found today, we and our families will enjoy many accident-free days on the land, whether that be an overnight camping trip or pursuing traditional lifestyles many miles away from our home community. I wish those people who are going out on the land and doing their traditional activities a very successful trip. Thank you.

---Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Allooloo . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Successful Trip Of Ed&t Minister To Nahendeh

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Page 1283

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past weekend was a very eventful one for me in the constituency I represent, which is Nahendeh.

The Honourable John Todd and his staff travelled with me into Nahendeh this past weekend, June 9th to 11th. We visited Fort Simpson, Nahanni Butte, Fort Liard and Trout Lake. In Fort Simpson, Mr. Speaker, on Friday we had meetings with the village council, the band councils and held public meetings. Individual meetings were also held with people who had concerns about the business situations. I think it was a very successful visit we had in Fort Simpson.

On Saturday, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Todd and staff, along with the board members of the NWT Development Corporation, travelled to Nahanni Butte to meet with people and view construction of a new building that is taking place there. This new building will have a store, hotel rooms, a coffee shop and a place to clean up, like showers and so forth. This is a joint venture between the NWT Development Corporation and the Nahanni Butte Development Corporation.

This is a major step for the people of Nahanni Butte. They got work from Economic Development, with the help of this development corporation. This building is going to be able to help them in a way that it hasn't before, Mr. Speaker. For many years, tourists have been travelling by this community, coming out of the Nahanni National Park, and now they have a reason to stop. This way, the people from the community will have the opportunity to benefit from the economic

opportunities that exist there. So I think it was a very satisfying visit there.

Later that day, Mr. Speaker, we travelled on to Fort Liard where we had official openings of a number of buildings -- a gas bar and convenience store and a new craft shop for the Acho-Dene crafts business -- as well as viewing a new firehall that was built there.

The new crafts shop was built with the help of the NWT Development Corporation. Fort Liard has made a name for itself in the past, and they have been very successful in marketing their own products. Mr. Speaker, I have run out of time. I am seeking unanimous consent to finish my statement.

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Samuel Gargan

The Member for Nahendeh is seeking unanimous consent. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Go ahead, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Like I was saying, in Fort Liard, the people there have made a successful name for themselves in the fine arts and crafts that they produce there. The most known item is the birch bark basket. The facilities that they were using were old facilities with no running water and no washing facilities, but they were able to make a good name for themselves in that type of facility. With this new, modern facility, it will give them a better chance of success.

So, with this new facility and the continued efforts of the people of Fort Liard, their success is going to be very real. I would like to thank the Minister and his department and the NWT Development Corporation for their help in this area. Later on, the social events that followed in Fort Liard were enjoyed by all.

On a serious note, Mr. Speaker, in visiting all these communities and in seeing all these various economic development opportunities that exist, there is still a real need for an economic development conference to take place in the Deh Cho region. I have spoken in the House in the past and I do so today. There is definitely a need, more than ever, to get the people of the region together to talk about the possible economic development opportunities that exist and a plan of action that could be developed from such a conference.

It was a very rewarding weekend, Mr. Speaker, and for the people of the communities and myself to see their ideas and their work and effort coming to a reality with the construction and completion of all these projects. Without the support from the Government of the Northwest Territories and the Members of this Legislative Assembly, this could not have become a reality. So I would like to thank the Members here, on behalf of the people of Nahendeh, for their support. Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Sister Sutherland's Book On Bishop Piche

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to express my sincere congratulations to Sister Agnes Sutherland on her completion of writing her third book, The Bishop Who Cared: A Legacy of Leadership. Mr. Speaker, her

first book was a souvenir album in 1984 on Bishop Piche and her second book was Living Kindness on Madeline Bird.

Sister Sutherland is well known to many northerners as being an advocate for the disabled and the homeless. In addition to creating the first home for an abuse shelter, she takes the time to write books. Sister Sutherland wrote about Bishop Piche in her first book, on his silver jubilee as a Bishop but golden anniversary in the priesthood.

He was accepted by the oblate congregation of Mary Immaculate, which is the OMI, in 1932, and as a priest in 1934. In March 1959, he was appointed Bishop of the Mackenzie. Bishop Piche was born in 1909 and, as I said, ordained as a priest in 1934. He retired in February 1986 after being our Bishop for many years. He passed away in September 1992. The late Bishop Piche now rests in the crypt of the same cathedral, St. Joseph's Cathedral, in Fort Smith.

Sister Sutherland this Saturday will be launching the book, The Bishop Who Cared: A Legacy of Leadership. She has also created nice placemats made out of the book's cover and is attempting to get them fixed so they will be ready for the launching this weekend.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to take the time to thank the individual who suggested the title, The Bishop Who Cared, who is Anita Dube; and the subtitle, A Legacy of Leadership, who is George Tuccaro. Bishop Piche believed strongly in education, particularly opportunities of education for the native people in the north. I want to quote a couple of points from the book, and I quote from Anita Dube's assessment of Bishop Piche, where she said, and I quote: "There...". I apologize, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to continue with my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Thebacha is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you. I quote from Anita Dube's assessment of Bishop Piche, and it reads: "There is so much goodness about him. His caring and love of the poor was outstanding. He was also a good listener to anyone who needed to be heard." Another quote from Louise Fraser: "He never missed coming to the health centre to visit the sick and those who could no longer get around."

Mr. Speaker, many people believed that this book should be dedicated to the Grey Nuns and the Oblate Fathers and Brothers, which I fully agree with. Those individuals were Helen Daniels, Anita Dube, Jeannie and Oral Dube, Emelia Gratrix, Charles Issoluk, Rene and Georgina Mercredi, Martha Mercredi, Elsie Yanik, Jo Jo Mercredi, Louise Fraser, Rosalie Dempsey and Karen Price.

Mr. Speaker, I want to take the time not only to congratulate Sister Sutherland but thank the individuals who participated in the Bishop Paul Piche Memoir Committee, who are Pat Burke, Helena Mandeville, Shirley Vandenberghe and John Vogt for all

their work in being able to produce such a beautiful book. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Western Arctic Regional Visitors' Centre In Inuvik

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1284

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, had the opportunity to attend the opening of the Western Arctic Visitors' Centre in Inuvik.

Mr. Speaker, I want to pay additional tribute to Chief James Firth, Willard Hagen, who is the president of the Gwich'in Tribal Council, and to Danny Lennie, who was involved on behalf of the Inuvialuit. I think it was as a result of their persistence that the Western Arctic Visitors' Centre became a reality.

It also, Mr. Speaker, shows that with good planning and good cooperation, aboriginal peoples can cooperate and collaborate in a very successful project and encourage and recommend to our Cabinet Members that the approaches that they are suggesting would be very constructive. I want to say, Mr. Speaker, that the information that has been provided and displayed is a reflection of the advice of many of my constituents from Inuvik, Fort McPherson and Aklavik or Tsiigehtchic, and also as a result of advice from many other people from the Beaufort and Mackenzie Delta region.

So, Mr. Speaker, I wanted to congratulate all those who were involved in this particular project. I know that having seen this display and the information that is provided, I can say that in my term as Minister and as a Member of this Assembly, I've had an opportunity to travel to many other visitors' centres across the Northwest Territories and this is by far, I believe, one of the most informative displays of any region in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Member's statements. Mr. Whitford .

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Retirement Of Teacher Jean Paul Grimard

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1284

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, colleagues. This past weekend, on Saturday, I had the opportunity to represent the Honourable Richard Nerysoo at a retirement get together for Jean Paul Grimard. Jean Paul Grimard was a school teacher, very well-known in the Fort Smith area. He taught math, physics and computers at the JB Tyrrell School and the PW Kaeser High School. He's been a teacher in the north for 30 years. He came from Prud'homme, Saskatchewan. He is from a French-Canadian family, one of 11 boys and girls from that family.

He took up teaching and for his first teaching assignment, he was interviewed by Gordon Devitt to go teach in the Baffin. In the interview, Mr. Devitt asked him what religion he was and he said he was Catholic. He replied that he couldn't work in the Baffin because they were all Protestant and he had to go to the west, so he went to Fort Smith, which was our good fortune.

He was very well-known in the community and he tutored a lot of students in the off hours. He taught during the day but if you needed any help with math, physics or computers, he was always there to help. Mr. Speaker, you will probably recall that I was at the adult school there later on in my life, trying to get my grade 12 so I could go to university. I needed some help in math and Mr. Grimard was right there to pitch in. I had the pleasure of being a student of his for a short period of time and, just recently, my son was also tutored by him, too.

When I talked on behalf of the Minister, I told the people there about his life and there were a good number of people from Fort Smith at the reception. They rose to give him a standing ovation for his 30 years of dedication to the Government of the Northwest Territories and the people of the Northwest Territories as a teacher. These days, it's very rare to have that kind of commitment. I would certainly like to say, on behalf of the people I represent, thank you to Mr. Grimard for his long service.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .

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Passage Of Bill C-68

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1285

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

Today, as we try our best to reflect the views of our constituents, sometimes it is quite hard to be heard by the federal government. I hope that at least some of our views will be included in the amendments to Bill C-68, especially the more serious concerns. I hope they are being dealt with. However, I would like to extend my apologies to our constituents because some of our views were not heard by the federal government task force and the MPs. It is our hope that the implementation of this proposed bill is delayed for the north.

It is unfortunate that it was quite confusing for the people of the north to understand the happenings throughout the discussions on this bill. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to voice my concern on this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Pudlat . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms. Mike .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm very pleased to recognize Tim Dialla from Pangnirtung. He's the fire chief and foreman of the hamlet of Pangnirtung. As well, he is the JP and coroner. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I missed one item here, item 4. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Return To Question 547-12(7): Regulations Re Cleaning Of Caribou Carcasses

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Whitford on June 8, 1995 regarding regulations re cleaning of caribou carcasses.

Mr. Speaker, the Wildlife Act and regulations are silent with respect to how and where wild animals are cleaned. Attempting to impose regulations on this activity would be extremely difficult to enforce, simply because of the length of the Ingraham Trail and other highways in the Northwest Territories.

The Motor Vehicles Act, subsection 232.(1), makes it an offence to "litter" highways. The intent of this

section is to ensure safety for motorists. A frozen gut pile, hide or head is obviously a hazard to them. Hunters are expected to use common sense and to clean their animals where the animal is killed or in the nearest appropriate place. The department encourages people to do this and will continue to do so. If this was done, few gut piles would end up on the roads and in ditches. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 586-12(7): Maintenance Of Ingraham Trail

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1285

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Transportation . The Minister is aware that the Ingraham Trail is the most travelled road in the Northwest Territories. There are tourists, people from Dettah, cottagers, day users from the Yellowknife area, and in the wintertime, the mine is supplied.

Recently, I've had some complaints about the condition of the road. I would like to ask the Minister if he would ensure his staff has a look at the road and make sure that the road is put up to the highest standard possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Laughter

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Transportation , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, there is a grader on this road today. There have been numerous complaints from the honourable Member's constituency. It is our intention to put a grader on this road today to try to improve it, to try to repair some of the more dangerous parts of the road this week, and at the end of this month, calcium treat it to ensure it stays in reasonable condition.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Thompson .

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Question 587-12(7): Update On Motion Re Official Languages

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Premier . On April 12, 1995, Dennis Patterson made a motion urging the GNWT to evaluate official language services and develop a plan that would consider both the fiscal realities and priorities set by communities. The motion suggested that the plan should include all official language funding for all GNWT departments, boards and agencies. Can the Premier provide an update on work relating to the motion? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the work that would be included in the process would be what is included in vote 1 and vote 4. The focus is on services to the Assembly. It would also be the work done on interpreting/translation and the role of the language bureau. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mrs. Thompson .

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Question 587-12(7): Update On Motion Re Official Languages

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My supplementary question to the Premier is could the Minister describe how communities were consulted on their priorities for language services. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Mr. Speaker, at this stage, the communities have not been consulted. They will be consulted on the guidelines and also on the Education, Culture and Employment initiatives, which would involve community-based languages. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that the deputy minister for official languages has been away on a Governor General's tour for six weeks and has not been replaced. Has her absence had any impact on finalizing the handbook? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

No, Mr. Speaker. The continuation of the handbook has not been jeopardized by the assistant deputy minister's absence. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. We are all aware that funding has been reduced for official languages. With the reduction of vote 4 funding for official languages, there is a need to review the allocation of funds among the departments, the boards and the agencies. I would like to know who is responsible for reviewing the allocation of funds.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, there is a committee of deputy ministers that meet to do the evaluation. But in their work, they would need Cabinet and MLA decisions as part of the budget. Mr. Speaker, for the year 1995-96, the criteria were French, which meets the legal obligations and infrastructure costs; and aboriginal, which maximizes community-based maintenance revitalization. These are in the agreement. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. I would assume then that the committee of deputy ministers is obviously located in Yellowknife because very few of them have been devolved to the regions or other communities. The Premier mentioned that there is some criteria agreed upon. I would like to know what other consultation has been done because it is my understanding that there was to be consultation with the aboriginal language organizations in terms of the funding that they get. What other consultation has been done, other than by this committee of deputies amongst themselves?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, in terms of the guidelines for services by government to the public set out by Cabinet, in the scope of the exercise there has been a very narrow and intense way to try to get the different departments involved, where they felt it would be appropriate to manage. The guidelines did reflect community priorities and language groups. The guidelines also indicate that it must allow departments to be accountable, and the guidelines are being translated and will be consulted by the language groups and these will be done throughout the summer. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

The impact of languages affects every living human being in the north. The aboriginal groups and the French organizations are the ones that are trying to encourage languages through the various institutions. So I would like to know why it has taken so long to start this consultation process. Why are we waiting until summer? We are now into mid-June of 1995 and a quarter of our year has passed. Why has it taken so long to begin the consultation of these groups?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the reason is that when we attempted to approach this very important subject, it was not as clear and easy to do mainly because we have 11 different language groups and in order to come up with a broad base of our discussions, it was much more difficult than we had anticipated. So it took us longer to establish some of those guidelines. So, Mr. Speaker, perhaps we were overly optimistic at the beginning in saying we could do this much more quickly.

As well, the Members will recognize that in the interim, the language agreement with the federal government did not bear the amounts of dollars that we thought they would and that would come through in support of this important area of government policy. So there were a number of issues that got in the way and we weren't able to deal as quickly with the issue as we wanted to. So it was a series of unplanned issues that were thrown in the way of us completing those guidelines. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, all Members are aware that there were significant cuts to money available for languages through the federal/GNWT agreement signed in March. A number of employees were funded through this vote 4 money. Mr. Speaker, can the Premier advise us how many employees have been laid off as a result of the cuts from the agreement? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, in terms of the cuts to the agreement, the individuals who were laid off term positions, some of which ended and some were vacant. In French, there was 1.5 person years cut. In the aboriginal section, there were 10.5 person years cut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In making the decision to cut positions, there must have been a process of evaluating the need for each position. Was the decision regarding which positions to cut made after consultation with communities regarding their priorities for language services? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, in terms of the decisions, they were management decisions and they were primarily at headquarters. The intent was to make sure that the community-based education and language programs were secure. So the area was headquarters that the positions were cut in.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When positions are cut, they receive a severance package. When employees are hired under vote 4 funding, is there some payment out of the vote 4 funding?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take that question as notice.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier with regard to legal interpreting. In April, the Minister of Justice announced that two employees from the legal interpreting program were laid off. However, the future

responsibility and status of legal interpreting was not clear. Can the Minister provide an update on what is happening with legal interpreting, including who is responsible and what changes have been made to the operations of the program? Mahsi.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the enhancement and maintenance of languages in that category is the role of Education, Culture and Employment. As I indicated before, in that move, emphasis was retained to move to more community-based language programs. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. Can the Premier explain her answer? What I wanted to know is in the area of legal interpreting, two people were involved in the program but they are not laid off. The Premier stated that this role was moved to Education, Culture and Employment, and the move was to emphasize more community-based language programs. Can the Premier explain to me what she means by "more community-based?"

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, if I may suggest that, because of the responsibility in that certain area, this question can be more appropriately answered by the Minister of Education .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just quick information before I get into the detail of the question. I would like to advise the honourable Member, these were not interpreters. These were terminologists. In other words, these were the individuals who were involved in developing the language or defining new words to respond to aboriginal languages that didn't have the words that were being used. So they were legal terminologists.

Secondly, Mr. Speaker, our attempt right now is to ensure the language development enhancement responsibility rests with the appropriate language group and language community. For so long, the government has assumed the responsibility for the development of this particular area. After an analysis of the languages agreement, it's our view that the responsibility and the financial resources should be placed in the hands of the language groups, rather than the government assuming the responsibility. That's the direction we intend to take.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My supplementary question is for the Premier . During the recent trial in Dettah about hunting on the Ingraham Trail, there were complaints about the legal interpreting being provided. Some people felt that the legal arguments were not interpreted so that the Dene people could understand them. In light of the concern raised, has the department taken a second look at the changes to the legal interpreting program? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the language agreement and the programs under the language agreement are an ongoing issue. The government is aware that there is a requirement to develop a better base for enhancing the programs. I believe in terms of the enhancement and maintenance of the program, that the Minister of Education would be in a better position to answer that particular question. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just for the information of my honourable colleagues, I believe that is one of the reasons we had concern about the various locations in our government with regard to terminologists. In other words, we had groups that were in different departments. What we needed to do was bring together a collective approach on addressing technical terms, whether they be in health or in the area of legal

definitions. Part of that also requires us to review the whole matter of interpreter/translator training, because that work has to be part of the delivery of that particular component.

So we take the concern that the honourable Member has raised seriously. That is why we're trying to ensure that we deliver the best training programs and the best support services that we can in a collective manner. That is why we have raised that particular concern. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to address, through you, a question to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . The question is with regard to legal interpreting. We have a situation in Dettah where the services of the two people who were laid off would have come in very usefully. However, they were laid off. Now we're waiting for a program to take shape. My point here is that we had people in place who could do the work, but they've been laid off, and now another department has taken over this responsibility and

we're into an area where these programs are being developed. What changes have been made to the operations of the program, if such a program exists now? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to advise the honourable Member that that particular matter is presently under review. We had a contract for a group to carry out that review. In fact, one of the portions was to consult the appropriate language groups so they were satisfied with the approach we were taking or the training we were offering. The other component is that we had to meet the determination as to which organization actually assumed the responsibility for the delivery of training.

The issue here can't be simply a matter of personalities. The fact is that there is still a lot of work with regard to terminology, both in the legal and in the health sense, that is very important to our people. The Dene languages, particularly, need to have the work done in a collective sense.

In other words, we can't have one department assuming the responsibility for dealing with terminology, another department dealing with that issue, then having, for instance, the language bureau responsible for one portion of the training, Arctic College assuming the responsibility for another component of the training; then, we also have the cultural institutes that are also wanting to get involved in the whole matter of training.

So this issue of all these components has to be reviewed, and we have to deliver the best services -- as the honourable Member has suggested -- to our aboriginal community; both the Inuktitut-speaking community and the Dene community.

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Thank you. You have one final supplementary to the Minister of Education , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final supplementary to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment ; if the present training program has been developed...There was a training program that was field-monitored and tested, is it going to be modified by interpreters? Thank you.

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Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I think there is a necessity for us to ensure we're responding to the appropriate language community in order for them to receive the best support possible. If there is a requirement to address the issue of training and to improve that training program consultation, Mr. Speaker, we will certainly ensure that that happens. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Again, I will remind Members that when they ask questions, they ask the questions of the appropriate Ministers. It is quite unfair to other Members when Members ask questions and another Minister has to respond. We have in this case, Mr. Antoine asking at least six questions at any given one time. I will ask the Members to make sure the appropriate Ministers respond to the questions asked. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Whitford .

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Question 591-12(7): Notification Of Licence Plate Renewals

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister responsible for Transportation . Recently, Mr. Speaker, a number of my constituents complained to me about receiving tickets from the RCMP for failing to have vehicle licences. In fact, their plates had expired, the reason being that they were never notified that the plates were expiring. The police apparently made enquiries and they were told by the department that there was a glitch in the computer system that had prevented them from doing that.

I would like to ask the Minister if he's aware of this problem and if he could see to it that some corrections are made forthwith, not so much because of the inconvenience, but it brings people into conflict with the law as a result of this.

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Minister of Transportation , Mr. Todd .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wasn't aware of this problem. I'll have it looked into and if there was a glitch in the computer system, we'll have that corrected post-haste. Thank you.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to further direct a question to the Minister concerning the notification of renewals. I would like to ask the Minister whether it is a policy of the department to issue renewals. I've looked into the matter and in Alberta, it has been a policy for the last little while. I would like to ask if this is a policy in the territories as well.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I don't believe that we give notice of renewals of licences at this time. Do we? I'm not sure about the answer to this question, so I'll take it as notice. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Todd . The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Premier a question. Last week, Mr. Speaker, Mr. Koe asked when the handbook for official languages implementation would be ready. We are now six months past the time when the Minister originally said the document would be ready. In developing the handbook, it is critical that there be consultation with aboriginal groups. These groups represent the people directly affected by the process and procedures which will be established in the handbook. Can the Premier describe how aboriginal groups and other language interest groups were consulted during the development of the handbook? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, aboriginal groups and other language interest groups had a general discussion this winter on the handbook and it is anticipated that the detailed discussions on the document will begin almost immediately. Thank you.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary, in the Premier 's answer she said there had been general discussions with aboriginal groups. What sort of general discussions? Were they discussing how the handbook was going to be developed? What was the discussion about?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the general discussion considered the concept of the handbook, what had to be involved and the general content of the handbook.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you. Would the Premier be able to provide to the Legislative Assembly the list of those aboriginal groups who had general discussions with the officials of the department? Thank you.

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Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I will provide that. Thank you.

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Final supplementary, Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In April, the Premier indicated that the draft handbook had to be reviewed due to a reduction in funding. Does the Premier have a date for when this very important guiding document will be ready? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the handbook is ready and complete. Presently, it is in for translation. It should be available very soon, once that translation has been concluded. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Zoe .

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Question 593-12(7): Projects Approved Under Canada/nwt Infrastructure Program

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On June 8th, the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment made a Minister's statement with regard to the Canada-NWT infrastructure program. In his statement, he indicated that 61 proposals valued at $6.8 million was approved for 35 communities in six regions. Could I ask the honourable Minister if he could provide these specific proposals, community by community, and the values? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can, Mr. Speaker, but that is a detailed information item. I think Members should be aware that we can't always gi

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