Debates of March 24th, 1999

This is page numbers 91 - 116 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was aboriginal .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Western Boundaries Issue

Joint Nwtam/maca Municipal Finance Review

The Energy Conservation Capital Program

Education Week In The Nwt

Tribute To Yellowknife Artist Ann Timmins

Fort Smith Participants In The 1999 Canada Winter Games

Negotiated Contracts Policy

Funding For Fort Simpson Families

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Administration Of Federal Gun Law

Disposition Of Education Board Surpluses

Economic Strategy For Nunavut

Future Power Rates In Nunavut

GNWT Cost-plus Leases

Pay Equity Benefits To Excluded Employees

Reply 1-13(7)

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Tabled Document 15-13(7): Government Of The Northwest Territories Public Accounts 1997-98

Tabled Document 16-13(7): Division Of Assets And Liabilities Of The Government Of The Northwest Territories As Of March 31, 1999

Tabled Document 17-13(7): Municipal Finance Review

Tabled Document 18-13(7): Letter From South Slave Metis Tribal Council Regarding Appeal From Decisions On Electoral Boundaries

Tabled Document 19-13(7): Paper By Roy Erasmus Entitled

Section 25 And 35, Collective Rights Versus Individual Rights

Tabled Document 20-13(7): Oath Of Office Of MLA Roy Erasmus

Tabled Document 21-13(7): Opening Prayer Of The Legislative Assembly Of The Northwest Territories

Motion: 6-13(7): Amendments To The Rules Of The Legislative Assembly

Motion: 5-13(7): Appeal Of Supreme Court Decision On Electoral Boundaries

Bill 15:

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 7: Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 1999

Bill 9: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 5, 1998-99

Bill 10: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 1998-99

Bill 11: Write-off Of Assets Act, 1998-99

Bill 12: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1998-99

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 91

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 17-13(7): Western Boundaries Issue

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 91

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Western Territory faces a number of important issues in the coming months. One such issue is the proposed revision of electoral districts in the new NWT. A bill was introduced yesterday on this issue, however, the debate that has occurred over the last few months is not only about electoral boundaries. It is about the way we view our future. I would like to speak about that bigger picture, in essence the future of the new Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, the decision to create two new territories on April 1, 1999, provided an unique opportunity for western residents to shape a new beginning, to set its own agenda. Mr. Speaker, I have begun a dialogue with aboriginal and community leaders about our priorities. This dialogue includes the tremendous social and fiscal challenges facing us. However, we also have a chance to define our own way of governing ourselves in the future. We can share control of our natural resources and the economic opportunity they bring.

Mr. Speaker, I have met with the Honourable Jane Stewart on a number of occasions since I have become Premier to talk about our challenges and opportunities, and will be meeting with her again tomorrow.

Given the unique opportunities that we have, it is unfortunate that we have become sidetracked in a divisive debate over electoral boundaries. This debate has the potential of setting back everything we have been trying to build for the last 30 years, derailing the hard work of trying to frame joint priorities and to assert our independence from DIAND's rule. No one northern group can win at this debate but we can all lose.

How many of you Members wish to be replaced by an appointed council. Going back to Ottawa running the Northwest Territories is unacceptable. At a time that the world is congratulating the people of Nunavut for creating their own territory, we risk tearing ours apart.

Mr. Speaker, we are all familiar with the recent court decision of Mr. Justice de Weerdt. This decision means that the Legislative Assembly must pass legislation to amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act. Mr. Justice de Weerdt has set an extremely tight deadline of April 1, 1999, to make the necessary amendments.

Bill 15 has been introduced to comply with the court's decision. There was no other viable option for us. However, Mr. Speaker, the introduction of this bill provides us, as representatives of the people of the NWT, with a number of opportunities.

First, it gives us an opportunity to find a solution to this issue. It is not the intention of this government to try to ram this legislation through even if we could. We know that there is no consensus at this time to resolve this major constitutional issue. Talking the time to build that consensus is important to us. We do not have consensus with our aboriginal leaders or with our community leaders. Indeed, Mr. Speaker, we do not even have consensus within the Western Caucus. In our view, building understanding of the issues and reaching a political resolution is critical if we are to move beyond this issue as a unified new territory.

Mr. Speaker, Western Caucus discussed the issues of an appeal of the merits of the court decision and has found no basis for an appeal. However, I would like to advise Members that the government will be taking the necessary steps to ask the courts to extend the April 1 deadline to facilitate the work we have to do together. We are concerned about the short timeframe set by the court decision and feel that an extension must be granted. Longer timeframes have been allowed in other jurisdictions to address similar issues.

Mr. Speaker, as I have indicated we believe the limited timeframe set out in the court decision is an impediment to finding a western solution to this constitutional issue. We are taking every action necessary to secure the time we need to have a full dialogue. My Cabinet colleagues and I are committed to using this time to work with aboriginal and community leaders to find a solution that can be supported in the west.

Mr. Speaker, we as elected representatives have a responsibility to find a solution to this very difficult divisive issue. I appeal to you, my honourable colleagues, and to all parties in this debate to reach out for a solution that will bring us together. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 17-13(7): Western Boundaries Issue

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 92

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 18-13(7): Joint Nwtam/maca Municipal Finance Review

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 92

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to provide an update on the Municipal Finance Review. The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, in partnership with the NWT Association of Municipalities, are doing this joint review. For many years, community governments have raised concerns about the provisions of MACA's funding programs. Community concerns include the fairness and equitablitity of current funding arrangements, a desire for greater flexibility in how funds can be used and the elimination of needless red tape. The Municipal Finance Review presents an opportunity to redesign the financial relationship between the community and territorial governments.

Mr. Speaker, the department and the association have continued to make progress on many key financial issues. In June, 1998, an introduction to the Municipal Finance Review and the Building Key Concepts document were presented to the association members. This initial information was important for the members' early consideration.

Since that time, working group members have expanded on each of the financial issues and prepared a third document entitled, Understanding the Funding Distribution Options. This discussion paper covers four key areas and begins with a description of how things are currently done, explains why changes should be made, and proposes options for further consideration.

Mr. Speaker, the NWT Association of Municipalities and the Nunavut Association of Municipalities reconfirmed support for the joint Municipal Finance Review at their annual general meeting held in Cambridge Bay earlier this month. Two motions were passed that support the progress made to date and call for the continuation of the review. I have also received a letter of support from the Review's Steering Committee recommending that MACA's partnership with the Association of Municipalities continue.

I will be tabling parts 1, 2 and 3 of the Municipal Finance Review this session. Mr. Speaker, I invite all Members to take the time to review these documents and discuss them with their constituents. Any comments, concerns or other feedback from Members would be very much appreciated.

Next steps include

part 4, the consultation phase, where we plan to consult with community governments and a number of other stakeholders on the proposed municipal financing options. I am hopeful that after division, both this government and the new Nunavut government will proceed with the consultation phase, which would last until fall. This will ensure that feedback and advice can be consolidated and presented to the territorial governments for consideration.

Mr. Speaker, the Municipal Finance Review can achieve greater authority, flexibility, accountability and financial stability for community governments. It is my hope, Mr. Speaker, that the two new governments will continue with the Municipal Finance Review and build a new financial relationship with community governments. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 18-13(7): Joint Nwtam/maca Municipal Finance Review

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 92

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 19-13(7): The Energy Conservation Capital Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 92

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories encourages the efficient use of energy. By reducing energy consumption, we save money and reduce emissions of greenhouse gases that contribute to climate change.

The Energy Conservation Capital Program is available to assist territorial and community-funded departments, boards and agencies as well as non-profit organizations in reducing their energy consumption. This program is administered by the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. It provides funding for projects that reduce the use of water, electricity and heat.

During the past fiscal year, fifteen projects have been approved with resulting savings expected to exceed $140,000 annually. Eight of the projects involve the conversion to more energy-efficient lighting systems. Other projects include mechanical and electrical system upgrades or replacements, a series of energy management training workshops and a workshop on climate change.

These projects are benefiting three different government departments, four communities, one education district, three non-profit organizations and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

Mr. Speaker, it is estimated that these projects will reduce annual electrical consumption by more than 600,000 kilowatt hours. This is the equivalent to the average electrical consumption of 60 houses. In addition, the annual production of carbon dioxide, which contributes to global warming, will be reduced by more that 400 tonnes.

The Energy Conservation Capital Program was developed in the mid 1980's. Since 1990, a variety of programs have resulted in a savings of $6.70 in utility costs, 11.5 million kilowatt hours of electricity have been saved, and the production of carbon dioxide has been reduced by 8,000 tonnes. This small but highly effective program contributes significantly to saving energy, saving money and reducing emissions of greenhouse gases. It will continue to play an effective role as we work to develop our Greenhouse Gas Strategy. Mahsi cho.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 19-13(7): The Energy Conservation Capital Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 92

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 20-13(7): Education Week In The Nwt

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 92

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce that the NWT will celebrate Education

Week from March 24 to 31. The purpose of Education Week is to increase the public's understanding of the importance of learning, and highlight the components of a well-rounded education.

Like other aspects of northern society, education has undergone a great deal of change in a relatively short period of time. As we near the new millennium, we are faced with even more changes. April 1st will see the creation of two new territories. This makes it both a challenging and exciting time to be a northerner. In honour of this historical event, I am pleased to announce the theme for Education Week is, Creating Two Territories.

To meet the demands of both new territories, we will continue to co-operate with each other, share ideas and experiences to help shape a new and unique identity that reflects the rich heritage and strength of northern peoples.

We can be proud of how far we have come in advancing quality educational opportunities for the residents of the Northwest Territories. Participation rates are on a par with the rest of Canada, and the number of students graduating is steadily increasing. As people continue to learn throughout life, curricula and programs are continually being assessed and modified to make sure they meet the needs of all northerners and reflect our unique cultural heritage.

In this time of shrinking resources and growing demands, educators in the north are to be congratulated on their accomplishments. The celebration of Education Week is the perfect opportunity for us to recognize the efforts and hard work of all those involved in the provision of quality education to our residents.

Today's graduates must be able to adapt, adjust and communicate effectively to meet the demands of an ever-changing society. Self-reliant, capable and well-informed young people will be our leaders of tomorrow. We can all look forward to the many challenges the creation of our two new territories will bring. Mr. Speaker, together we can develop a truly northern system of education that reflects the rich heritage of the people it serves. Mahsi.

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Minister's Statement 20-13(7): Education Week In The Nwt

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 93

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 47-13(7): Tribute To Yellowknife Artist Ann Timmins

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 93

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to publicly acknowledge and thank Ann Timmins for her work in designing the banners that hang in the Great Hall of the Legislative Assembly. As every one of us can appreciate, when we engage in a creative process such as writing, drawing, carving or sewing, it is an evolving process that takes effort, dedication and life experience in order to allow others to see our ideas and visions.

Ann has titled the series of banners she made for the Legislative Assembly, The Web of Life. Prior to beginning her work on the banners, Ann's energy and dedication went to helping her daughter fight to survive cancer. It was a very lonely and fearful experience, devoting every waking moment to a young child with a life-threatening disease. But the good news is that her daughter has healed and along the way Ann encountered many individuals within the health care environment who, in spite of the often stressful work conditions, were sensitive and supportive.

Ann began her work on the banners, never quite sure where the creative process would bring her, but it is not surprising that what emerged are a series of scenes conveying a love of life and the connections that we all share; hence the name, The Web of Life, and a reminder that we are all connected by invisible threads to a caring and compassionate human community.

The banners show, and indeed most works of art show, how creativity stretches our horizons and enriches our lives. A plaque is presently being prepared to be mounted on the wall in the Great Hall, providing something of an introduction and acknowledgement to the Web of Life banners and I want to thank Mr. Speaker for that. Once again, many thanks to Ann for her work, and indeed, thanks to the continued efforts of all our northern artists in continuing to share with us their creative visions and ideas. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 47-13(7): Tribute To Yellowknife Artist Ann Timmins

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 93

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger

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Member's Statement 48-13(7): Fort Smith Participants In The 1999 Canada Winter Games

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 93

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a few weeks ago the 1999 Canada Winter Games were held in Newfoundland and a contingent went from the Northwest Territories. Of that contingent there were a number from Fort Smith: Patricia Parker for ringette; Terry Freund for curling; Sarah Daitch for cross country skiing; Joanne Burrill for ringette; William Blyth for hockey; Brandy Thompson for ringette; Geronimo Paulette for hockey; Don True, manager of the biathlon team; Jonathon McDonald for biathlon team; Patti-Kay Hamilton, biathlon coach; Janie Hobart as mission staff.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to congratulate all these people, especially the athletes, for the work and effort they put into getting to be chosen to go to the Canada Winter Games, an experience that many of us will never ever have the opportunity to take

part in and something I hope that they found very, very worthwhile. They were a credit to the community, to their families and to their parents and of course, to the Northwest Territories. I would like to extend my heartfelt congratulations and thanks to them. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 48-13(7): Fort Smith Participants In The 1999 Canada Winter Games

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 93

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 49-13(7): Negotiated Contracts Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 93

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the last while, Mr. Speaker, I have sat here and listened to my colleagues discussing the topic of negotiated contracts. I have a hard time

supporting a move away from the position that the government has taken on this.

Smaller communities see capital projects as a way to train local residents, develop good business practices and ensure that the local companies and residents get the most benefits that can be achieved, either by employment directly or indirectly with the communities own companies. In most small communities the following is true and I quote from a letter the Chief of Gameti, Henry Gon sent:

The process of negotiated contracts is essential to the survival of economic development in the smaller aboriginal communities. We rely on capital projects as our main source, and often the only source, of economic activity.

In larger centres there are many companies to bid on contracts and all have the expertise and staff to provide for the best prices to be submitted. I do not see the reason to allow for negotiated contracts in larger centres but the smaller communities are where the concentration of these contracts originally came from and that is where they should be used.

Our smaller communities should continue to be supported in their pursuit of economic development and self-reliance. Through negotiated contracts we are supporting these smaller communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 49-13(7): Negotiated Contracts Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 94

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Member's Statement 50-13(7): Funding For Fort Simpson Families

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 94

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Two families in Fort Simpson in my constituency of Nahendeh are going through a very difficult time right now with members of their families having to be sent out on medevacs to Edmonton within the past couple of weeks on two separate occasions.

Community members organized a fund-raising loonie auction to assist these families in coping with expenses. There were approximately 96 local businesses and individuals, and ten outside businesses which were all from Yellowknife, and individuals some of whom, I am proud to say, are honourable Members of the Legislative Assembly, that donated numerous gifts and other items to be auctioned off.

I am proud to say that due to the enormous support and the numerous items received for the auction, which took two evenings to conclude, they raised $12,000 to be divided up evenly between the two families. I would like to thank all the individuals, especially the Members of this Legislative Assembly and the Deh Cho First Nations who helped organize this successful event. I would also like to thank the community of Fort Simpson for coming together to provide tremendous support to its members through their difficult ordeals. I would also like to express my sincere compassion for the families and the individuals involved in these tragic circumstances. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 50-13(7): Funding For Fort Simpson Families

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 94

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a pleasure today to recognize from my community an aboriginal leader, Mr. Paul Harrington.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to proudly recognize from Fort Smith, Chief Jerry Paulette from Fort Fitzgerald Band.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Morin .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, it gives me pleasure today to recognize Grand Chief of the Akaitcho territory, Felix Lockhart, Treaty 8.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 94

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Marina Devine, the executive director of the Aboriginal Summit.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 94

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to also welcome anybody else that has not been recognized. Welcome to the Assembly. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 35-13(7): Administration Of Federal Gun Law

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 94

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, yesterday I had the opportunity to review the gun law situation and the fact that the territorial government has handed back responsibility for the administration of the gun law back to the federal government. I dealt with the question of who is administering and issuing permits in the communities. My question would be for the Minister of Justice , are the RCMP issuing permits and handling the gun legislation in the communities? Thank you.

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Question 35-13(7): Administration Of Federal Gun Law

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 94

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Justice , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be very pleased to provide the Member and all Members of the House with the latest information on the exact administration procedures occurring in the communities presently. What I can pass on also right now is that the Government of the Northwest Territories has joined as we announced during the last session the Government of Alberta, who was taking the issue to the Supreme Court. We have joined

the Yukon Territory, the provinces of Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario in supporting Alberta in opposing certain parts of the gun law as it relates to the division of powers and responsibilities in administering such a law, and that this issue will be going to the Supreme Court in the not too distant future. Unfortunately, on the administrative areas I do not have that information on hand, but I will be more than pleased to fax it to all Members of the House.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The concern I had relates to the cost to this territorial government. Any costs incurred I understand are billed back to the federal government. For example, the administration of the head office to take care of this, what I am wondering is, the question of the police services throughout the territory are handling the administration of gun permits and so forth, presumably; are we billing back that portion, or is that an oversight on the part of the government? I would like to know if we are following through with ensuring that all areas that cost us money are being billed back to the federal government.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I do not have that information right in front of me, but I can confirm to the Member that there are specific programs that the federal government does in partnership with the territorial government in the policing program, different training and enforcement programs that are cost-shared and some that we charge back to the federal government. I would think that this would be one area, but once again, I will have to confirm that and provide it to the Member.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. One further area, Mr. Speaker, is the staff that are administering this particular program, are they regular RCMP members that are seconded to this particular office, or are they non-members? I am all in support of whoever that may be, I am not trying to speak against it being RCMP members, I am trying to get at the fact, are we billing back for this? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again, that will be the type of information that I will be only to happy to provide. Thank you.

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Question 36-13(7): Disposition Of Education Board Surpluses

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . The education councils and districts which operate here in our territory are sometimes successful at accumulating surpluses in various areas. Until recently, it had been my understanding that when this occurred these councils could then have the reward of retaining those surpluses and spending them on priorities within their area. It has come to my attention that just recently for the year ended June 30, 1998, the South Slave Division Education Council had to return $7,004 to this government.

Subsequent to that, initiatives were announced for spending what I would say are probably the surpluses, but in a very narrow scope of initiatives. My question to the Minister is, does he foresee his department changing this to allow councils to retain these and spend them on the priorities which they see as a priority in their regions? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The answer is yes, we do intend to change the process to ensure that funds transferred to divisional education councils are left to their discretion. What has happened is that with user pay/user say, there has been a change in the way utilities are paid for in public buildings and, as a result of not having enough history to know what constitutes a fair amount of money needed to pay for utilities and some infrastructure costs, it was felt that we would recover under-expenditures and work to develop a better understanding of what the requirements will be in the formula funding that is provided to all divisional education councils. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So, I could offer some assurance to the Divisional Education Council of South Slave that if they were successful in cost savings in various areas, they could re-profile those funds into areas such as more teachers to reduce the student/teacher ratio, and other such important priorities that the regions have, is that to my understanding of the Minister's comments?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we need to develop some baseline understanding of what communities require throughout the north for funding things like

utilities. Once we have that and work the figures into the formula, it will then be up to the divisional education councils to deal with the yearly fluctuations that can occur. We would hope that things would average out over a period of time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. How soon does the Minister think that this kind of baseline information data would be available? Would it be during the next fiscal year that we could expect this discretion on surplus dollars to be given to the boards? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the record, divisional education councils already have that kind of discretion on surplus dollars if they are able to find ways to save monies. I would expect that utilities will be worked into the formula within the next two fiscal years and we will be able to ensure that all funds are transferred by way of formula. Boards will then have complete jurisdiction in all areas. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, Mr. Minister. The Minister has referred to the area of utilities and leases, surplus in that area. In fact, the South Slave Divisional Education Council also returned $408,000 under the heading of personnel infrastructure, and I am wondering if this change will also affect this area when there is a savings? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I cannot answer that question at present. I will take it as notice and get back to the Member.

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Question 37-13(7): Economic Strategy For Nunavut

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for RWED , Mr. Kakfwi . Mr. Speaker, a number of months ago this government awarded a $500,000 contract to Roland Bailey and Associates to develop two economic strategies one for the west, and one for Nunavut. I wonder if the Minister could update me or refresh my memory as to where this stands to date, especially as it relates to the Nunavut Strategy? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The contract was given to Bailey and Associates last spring. The intent was to develop an economic strategy for Nunavut and for the western Northwest Territories. In the end, the agreement was to let Nunavut develop their own strategy at a time of their own choosing and we focused on developing a paper that would outline an economic strategy for the western Arctic. The initial draft was given to the government in November, we asked for substantive revisions and it came back in February as a discussion paper. The contract has been considered fulfilled and Bailey and Associates have finished their work and their contract with us as a government. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister saying that, just for point of clarification, that the portion of the contract that was awarded to Bailey and Associates to do the economic strategy for Nunavut is now in the hands of another company, corporation or consultant to do that work? Is that correct?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the people of Nunavut have indicated early last year that they would prefer to develop an economic strategy at a time and of a nature of their own choosing and did not wish to necessarily have one developed at this time or in tandem with one for the Western Territory, so a draft economic strategy was prepared only for the western part of the Northwest Territories, initially by Bailey and Associates, and presented to this government in November.

The government received the document, as Members are aware, the MLAs were not provided with copies of that draft because we felt substantive revisions had to be made to it; so we held the original draft and sent it back to the contractors with requests for substantive revisions.

It came back in February as a discussion paper to facilitate discussions in the Western Territory about what an economic strategy might look like in the Western Territory. I was assigned responsibility for the economic strategy in January, and discussions with Cabinet and various community leaders in the Western Territory felt it was not prudent for us to advance a draft economic strategy that was developed at the territorial level largely by consultants.

We had the paper revised to basically be a discussion paper that we could use in advancing the idea of an economic strategy, and we took the view that we have to go to the community leaders, largely the aboriginal leaders in the Western Territory, and ask them to work with us in developing an economic strategy for the Western Territory. That is really where we are now at this time. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, given the fact that the terms of reference for this contract when it was awarded, I believe stated that there be two economic strategies developed by Bailey and Associates, I assume that the costs of the contract, whether that was $400,000 or $500,000; that was altered, given the fact that Nunavut will not receive an economic strategy by Bailey and Associates?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the economic strategy was assigned to John Todd , the Minister of Finance , from last March up until January, when I assumed responsibility for it. The original contract and the details of that would have to be answered by the Premier , since I am not privy to the information since the responsibility for the terms of reference and the contract with the consultants was not done through my department, but rather through the Department of Finance.

I do know as I said, Nunavut was consulted throughout the process and there was some discussion of the draft economic strategy through the Nunavut Economic Forum in November. I was aware that members of the Nunavut Economic Forum were given copies of the draft economic strategy that Bailey and Associates submitted to this government in November, but we chose not to circulate or make that available here in the West, or to the public because of concerns we had about the paper, so we resubmitted to the contractors for substantive revisions.

The details of whether Nunavut was to be included, what was provided to them, and whether the costs of the contract included providing some product, some paper to the Nunavut government is unknown to me at this time and would have to be answered by the Premier . Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure if I should continue my question with the Minister of RWED or if I can ask the Minister if he would find out from Mr. Todd if the dollar value for the contract was altered or reduced, given the fact that only half of the work would be completed. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What I will do is work with the Premier and the Minister of Finance to provide some answers to the Member's question. I will review Hansard tomorrow and make sure I have done everything that should be done to answer the questions posed by the Member. Thank you.

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Question 38-13(7): Future Power Rates In Nunavut

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 97

Barnabas

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of the Power Corporation, the Honourable Charles Dent . We understand that NTPC is going to have a division. There will be 50 percent and 30 percent in Nunavut, but we never heard the rate. How much will there be? It will be seven percent in Nunavut and five percent in the west? The reason why I am asking this question is because I am aware that the Nunavut people will be paying more. I know we have one year to make a decision as to how the rates will be set. (Translation ends)

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Page 97

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have a transition agreement now with Nunavut to cover the terms of operation of the Power Corporation for the next year, and the one following if the two parties cannot come to an agreement on a long-term solution. Under the terms of the transition agreement, for two years at least, of the division of the Power Corporation, should result in no increase in rates to residents of Nunavut or the west. During this two-year transition period, the corporation will operate pretty much the same as it does right now.

There may be some rate adjustments in some communities at the end of March this year, but those are a result of changes approved by the Public Utilities Board in 1997. They have not been implemented until this year.

There is no proposal to raise the rates during the transition agreement because of any extra costs for division. That would not take place during the two-year transition agreement. However, Mr. Speaker, if the Power Corporation is divided, we have projected there will be at least a seven percent increase, and as much as ten or 11 percent in the cost of power in Nunavut to pay for the increased cost of overhead and loss of efficiency in having a smaller corporation. In the west, we see a projected increase of approximately five percent if we are not successful in keeping the corporation together after two years. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 98

Barnabas

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, maybe if I rephrase my question the Minister will understand. In Nunavut we will be paying seven percent after division of the NWT Power Corporation. On top of that we will be paying to the headquarters, which is in the west in Hay River. How long will this be? I understand we have one year to decide if the headquarters will be moved to Nunavut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 98

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member has suggested there would be a seven percent increase in cost during the transition agreement and that is not correct. Through the transition agreement, there will be no increase in costs because the corporation is continuing to run as it is. Until another headquarters is established, there is no increase. That seven or 10 percent increase was projected as a result of creating a new headquarters in Nunavut. Until that headquarters is created there is nothing that drives up the costs in Nunavut. There is no cost increase proposed during the two-year life of this transition agreement, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 39-13(7): GNWT Cost-plus Leases

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 98

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Public Works in regards to the government leasing policy that is in place presently, and also the benefit that this government gets from leases that we presently have. My concern, Mr. Speaker, the ones that are basically are classified as leases which are considered cost-plus, which means that they are over and above the prime rate that this government pays. I would like the Minister, if possible, to provide a list of all leases which are cost-plus and the possibility of those leases being posted publicly.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department can look at what is available. I am not familiar with this area of the different leases and the cost-plus portion of them. I will get back to my department and receive some information on that and then forward the information on to the Member to see if we can clarify what the specific concern is. Thank you

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Page 98

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we hear a lot of statements made in this House about how the government should save money, especially in areas of negotiated contracts. I think if we are going to look at all aspects of savings to this government, I also feel it is time we assessed the value of leases this government has in the Northwest Territories, and the cost to this government of these leases, which are classified as a cost-plus, which is over and above the prime rate that this government will pay for leases in the communities and in the larger centres.

I would like to ask again, can the Minister provide such a list and identify who we are leasing this space from and exactly what the amounts of those leases are?

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Mr. Roland.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said earlier, I will get back to my department to try and get some specific information. There are some areas we are going to have to look into as to confidentiality of some agreements, or what is put out there. What can be brought together and brought forward. I will look at doing that and providing the information to the Member. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The other half of my question was the possibility of having this information made public, put in the newspaper or wherever else, so the public knows how this government is spending its money. Thank you

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member stated earlier, in an earlier part of his question was, is the government looking at trying to save money and looking at the way it does business. We can try and do something in the area providing information to the Member if there are some specific cases he would like to address, but in the case of putting out adds in the papers, that would just drive up the cost of this government to provide information to everybody. If there are some specific cases, we can look at doing something and providing that information to the Member or to this House if that is the case. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the question of cost, I believe there are several calls for reviews of negotiated contracts, there are calls for review of affirmative action candidates. I do not see why the cost factor has to be a barrier on getting this information and being made public. I believe you do have that information in-house and I do not see why cost should be a barrier. I am asking for information in this

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I stated earlier, we will look at having the information provided to the Member as well as to Members of this House. There are other ways of providing the information out there to the public and we will look at doing what we can do that is available. One other thing that is available that this government does provide, on a quarterly basis, is the contract report which would include any contract for leases. That already is made available to this House and to the public. Thank you, Mr. Speaker

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Question 40-13(7): Pay Equity Benefits To Excluded Employees

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for Mr. Todd, Minister of the Financial Management Board , and it is a follow-up to my question from yesterday, regarding the employment equity benefits for non-unionized government employees. Yesterday the Minister confirmed that benefits are available to non-unionized employees who are currently working for the government. Certainly it is heartwarming to see that employment equity payouts will be equally available to union and non-union members, but there are a couple of matters I would like to ask questions on.

I wonder if the Minister could tell us, since there is a deadline of March 31st that has been given on notice and payout, and yesterday he indicated that no decision had been made regarding non-unionized employees who are no longer with this government; could he tell us when that decision will be made, so that those no longer with the government can know where they stand on this issue? Thank you.

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The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well I am off tonight to Ottawa for a quick meeting with Mr. Martin Stewart. I will be back Friday. There is a FMB meeting on Thursday, so I suspect that a decision on this issue will probably be made by the new Finance Minister . I would like to get it done, but I think I am basically running out of time. Thank you

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understood there was a deadline of March 31st. Could the Minister tell us if that will be changed? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What I will try to do is have a discussion with my Cabinet colleagues on Monday and determine what their opinion is and what steps we should take. Should we decided that the pay equity for people who are no longer working for the government is something we will do, then we probably more than likely have to extend the deadline. I am not in a position today to answer unequivocally my honourable colleague what action we will take. I will commit to trying to get some of it resolved by Monday.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I also wonder if the Minister could address the issue of the rationale for the classification codes. I understand that in considering who should benefit, in one case, for example, librarians were grouped in with wildlife officers, and it is based upon the majority in that classification code. Naturally, the number of wildlife officers would exceed the number of librarians and it would stand, at the moment, I understand, the number of wildlife officers are predominantly male. Therefore that particular classification is not fair in other words.

I wonder if the Minister could address that question as well with his colleagues? I would ask that the rationale for this be looked at and if the Minister could do that? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe I have said on a number of occasions in this House that there is a process in place to appeal classifications. That process allows each individual employee to determine whether or not their classification under the new pay equity system was fair. If my honourable colleague has some particular cases where he feels that the employees are not comfortable with their pay equity; if you will advise me, I will advise them on the route to take. There is a system in place right now for that to take place. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That would individualize it. As I pointed out, I think someone has pointed out to me the grouping of classifications, librarians with wildlife officers, as an example. I have a number of people who are former employees, no longer with this government, still in the north, but they cannot find anybody who seems to be eligible in this particular area. It is important for me to have the Minister address the classification codes. I wonder if he could, along

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I have said on a number of occasions, Mr. Speaker, there is a process in place to address classification codes. The Hay Plan evaluation system is one that we put into place just this last year, it is not going to be without some of its warts, as they say, and the system is there, it is in place. If my honourable colleague would provide me with some particulars about the particular classification, I would be only too happy to have that addressed. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Mr. Ng

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Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Page 100

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I hope you bear with me ladies and gentlemen. Mr. Speaker, since May of 1993, I have had the honour to serve as the MLA representing residents of Kugluktuk, Cambridge Bay, and Umingmaktok and Bathurst Inlet. I have also had the honour since 1995 to serve as a Minister representing all NWT residents. In eight days the boundaries in Canada will change, something that has not happened in over 50 years. There is a lot of excitement and anticipation of this historic event, and all of us are a part.

Whether we are Members of the last NWT Legislative Assembly, as we know it today, Members of the first Nunavut Assembly coming into office, or as Members of the first NWT Legislative Assembly post-division this coming fall.

Mr. Speaker, we have undertaken dramatic changes since taking office in preparation for division and the restructuring of government. There have been changes to programs and services as we have moved to balance our budget. We have also had a concerted effort to give greater control to communities and regions. There have been lots of hardships and growing pains as we have undertaken these initiatives, but we all believe it is for the overall benefit of all our residents.

For the past six years, as the MLA, there have been many developments in my constituency. In Kugluktuk and Cambridge Bay, we have had new primary schools. We had the establishment of high schools, new air terminal buildings, fire halls, and municipal garages. We have had daycares established, independent seniors' housing units, and significant private housing developments. In Kugluktuk, they have also had a maintenance garage and a major runway expansion. In Cambridge Bay, there has been a major arena expansion and a new Nunavut Arctic College Learning Centre, a new Kitikmeot Foods Facility, and the establishment of the Mount Pelly Territorial Park.

Both communities have also had significant private investments. There have been dental clinics and new co-op stores in both communities. In Cambridge Bay, they have been further fortunate to have the establishment of a Royal Bank, CBC and a new Northern Store that is housed in the Kitikmeot Centre which also holds the NTI and KIA offices. There have also been significant local business investments in the hotel and retail sectors.

Umingmaktok and Bathurst Inlet have had all new alternative housing units and new fuel storage facilities. There has also been a new assembly building in Umingmaktok. By the same token, there have been new programs or enhancements to existing programs that have impacted all constituents. There have been fuel price reductions, a homecare program, hunters' support program, Northern Employment Strategy, Community Futures, small grants and contributions, home ownership programs, child care programs, a commercial harvesting program, income support increases, and the child tax benefit. All of these have been significant developments.

But we have also had our share of setbacks. There has been major fire loss in both Kugluktuk and Cambridge Bay. Kugluktuk lost their arena in the winter of 1996 but were fortunate that it was a fully insured loss. They recuperated and had a new facility that opened in the spring of 1998. As we all know, in the summer of 1998, Cambridge Bay lost its Kiilinik High School. Right now there is work ongoing in the replacement of that significant project. We also have work ongoing for the regional health facility and Nunavut Arctic College residence under our P3 initiative that we hope to see finished off in the future.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to speak on my Cabinet responsibilities over the past four years. In February to October, 1995, I was the Minister of MACA in the last government. Mr. David Ramsden was the deputy minister. We were fortunate to have the first block funding agreements completed, initiatives for SAO training, and for firefighter training. From October, 1995, to March, 1996, for a brief time I was responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation with Mr. Al Menard and Penny Ballantyne as the presidents.

We initiated a major reorganization, and we finalized a seniors' independent housing strategy. In March, 1996, to November, 1997, I had responsibilities for the Ministry of Justice with Mr. Don Cooper as the deputy minister. There were deficiencies and corrections that were resolved. We initiated an independent review of the whole corrections system which became known as the Evan's Report. We refocussed on community justice initiatives.

From October, 1995, up until now, Health and Social Services and the Minister responsible for the Social Union Framework Agreement; I have had three deputy ministers, Ken Lovely, David Ramsden, and Penny Ballantyne. There has been a lot that has happened in that department, as we all know. We have been fortunate, we have completed the amalgamation of Health and Social Services.

There has been the completion of the MacKenzie Region Decentralization which saw the establishment of numerous boards, the Dogrib Board, Fort Resolution, Lutselk'e, Hay River, Fort Smith, Deh Cho, and the soon to be up and running Yellowknife Board. We have seen the stabilization of funding and reinvestment in the health care system through the Healthy Children Initiatives, Strategic Initiatives Fund, reinvestment in the Social Worker Income Support Programs, the capital and recruitment and retention.

We have also seen the start of the P3 projects for the replacement of hospitals in Inuvik and Baffin, the health centre in Arviat, and the regional facilities in Rankin and Cambridge Bay. We have also had major reforms under alcohol and drug initiatives, long-term care facilities, and we formalized a strategic plan that is forming the foundation to guide two new territories in the ongoing reform of the health and social services system. We have also been successful in concluding the Social Union Framework Agreement.

Mr. Speaker, this is, as we all know, a high turnover field. There has been tremendous demand and pressure on the system, on Ministers, and on boards. In three and a half years, I have become the senior Health Minister in this country. I have seen three federal ministers and numerous jurisdictional turnover. In 48 hours from now, I will be fortunate, there will be a relief I think, in that I will become one of the former Health Ministers in this country. There is no doubt that we have had our share of controversy, and there have been a lot of concerns raised.

I will have to recognize the health and social services boards across the Northwest Territories. Many times I feel that they have come under unwarranted criticism. But these are the individuals who have the commitment and the interest to offer their services to represent us in trying to make things better for the people they represent. I have to say that given the difficulties that we operate under in our country, with the remoteness, the distances, the isolation, the weather conditions, and the small communities and service base that we have, I have to recognize the dedicated front line staff. And I say to that we have one of, if not the best, health and social services system in Canada.

--Applause

I have to acknowledge our deputies once again, the deputies that I have been fortunate to serve with. I want to thank them for their dedication. I have been fortunate. I think they are some of the hardest working deputies that we have had in the government. I also would like to recognize the departmental staff. I want to recognize the Legislative Assembly staff for their guidance and assistance over the past six years, particularly our well-seasoned clerk, Mr. David Hamilton, who is the longest serving individual in this Assembly.

My ministerial staff, both Joan Irwin and Kat Nicholson; Joan has been with me for four years and Kat for three. I have to recognize and thank them for their dedication to their positions, all the extra time they put in, well over and above the call of duty. I am proud to have had both of them as my staff members.

--Applause

To my colleagues in this House, Mr. Barnabas , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Picco and Ms. Thompson , who will be my future Nunavut Assembly and Cabinet colleagues, I look forward to another four and a half years with them. To Mr. Enuaraq and Mr. Evaloarjuk , who were unfortunate in not being re-elected in their bids, I wish them all the best. To Mr. Arlooktoo , the rookie MLA, Cabinet Member, and Deputy Premier, I have seen him develop, in leaps and bounds, over the past three and a half years.

I think it is a loss to Nunavut on the basis of experience that he would have been able to offer, but I have no doubt that with his talents and experience, he will play a prominent role after April 1st, no matter what he chooses to do.

--Applause

Mr. Ningark , who is entering retirement as the longest continuous-serving Nunavut Caucus member, I am sure that he will also offer some experience, in some future capacity, in Nunavut. To John Todd , my friend and Cabinet colleague, who also chose not to seek re-election in Nunavut; only he has received more attention, publicity and pressure resulting from program changes and government policy than I. I believe he is a true visionary, someone who is totally dedicated and committed to carrying out his responsibilities.

He is extremely opinionated to the point of being stubborn, but of course, we all know he also has his humble side. He says that, on those rare occasions where he is wrong, he will acknowledge that he made a mistake. I will miss our friendly competition of being the first to the office in the morning, I will miss his often candid advice, his humour and his wit. Donny Morin, another friend and Cabinet colleague.

--Applause

When I first met Donny, I became attached to him almost immediately. I found him to be very upfront and direct on issues and when he gave his word, I knew that he meant it. He is a sincere individual who is always addressing the interests of his constituents. I think it is really unfortunate that his twelve years of hard work as an MLA and as an Executive Council Member will be overshadowed by a few errors of judgement. But I want to thank both Donny and John for their support that they have provided to me when I first took office right up until today.

--Applause

Mr. Dent , Mr. Kakfwi , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Gargan . It has been a memorable past six years serving with you. I know we have had differences on occasion, but I have certainly enjoyed our experiences. Mr. Roland and Mr. Miltenberger , our morning coffee discussion sessions will be definitely missed. I have enjoyed the debates and the issues, along with Mr. Todd and any other foolish individual who might have stumbled into the office at 6:30 or 7:00 in the morning. I do not know what will happen on the Nunavut side and who will be there.

To the rest of my western colleagues, and I apologize if I do not mention you by name, it has also been a pleasure serving with you in this historic 13th Assembly which, a week from now, will be changed forever. I wish you all luck whether you choose to seek re-election or choose other pursuits.

Mr. Speaker, all of us are privileged to be given the trust and the responsibility to represent our constituents. Many of us take our positions very seriously and we put in an inordinate effort into doing the best job possible. I believe many of our constituents realize this, however, I doubt if any of them realize the toll it takes on us but, more importantly, on our families. Only our predecessors and us know of the long hours, the travel, the briefings, the meetings, the deadlines, the missed family events that we have all experienced over the past years. I want to thank my family for their support and understanding.

Mr. Speaker, both new territories are in the midst of historic and dramatic change. As politicians, we all want glitzy programs, infrastructure, and immediate impact that we can show our constituents. As the Minister of Health and Social Services a soon to be outgoing Minister, my advice to future new Ministers, to future legislators and to future governments; I ask you to consider focusing on the long term preventative programs which will deal with reducing FAS/FAE, tobacco use and planned parenting.

They may have no immediate impact, but they have significant long-term benefits in attaining a healthier society and ensuring that sustainable social programs remain in place to serve our constituents.

--Applause

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Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Page 102

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Mr. Barnabas .

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Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Page 102

Barnabas

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to report to the Legislative Assembly that the Standing Committee on Infrastructure has reviewed Bill 13,

An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act , and Bill 14 ,

An Act to Amend the Risk Capital Investments Tax Credits Act, and the Income Tax Act, and wish to report that Bill 13 and Bill 14 are now ready for committee of the whole. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to waive rule 70(5) and have Bill 13 and Bill 14 moved to committee of the whole for today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Page 102

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for High Arctic is seeking unanimous consent to waive rule 70(5). Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Barnabas , you have unanimous consent. Bill 13 and Bill 14 will be moved into committee of the whole for today. Reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Todd .

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Tabled Document 15-13(7): Government Of The Northwest Territories Public Accounts 1997-98

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 102

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have two documents that I would like to table today. I wish to table the following document entitled, Government of the Northwest Territories Public Accounts 1997-98.

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Tabled Document 16-13(7): Division Of Assets And Liabilities Of The Government Of The Northwest Territories As Of March 31, 1999

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 102

John Todd

Keewatin Central

And I wish to table the following document entitled, the Division of Assets and Liabilities of the Government of the NWT as of March 31, 1999. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tabled Document 16-13(7): Division Of Assets And Liabilities Of The Government Of The Northwest Territories As Of March 31, 1999

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 102

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Tabling of documents. Ms. Thompson .

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Tabled Document 17-13(7): Municipal Finance Review

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 102

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker I wish to table the following document entitled Municipal Finance Review. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tabled Document 17-13(7): Municipal Finance Review

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 102

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Tabling of documents. Mr. Morin .

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Tabled Document 18-13(7): Letter From South Slave Metis Tribal Council Regarding Appeal From Decisions On Electoral Boundaries

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 102

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to table a letter from the South Slave Metis Tribal Council to the Honourable Jim Antoine , Premier . It is signed by Mr. Paul Harrington, President of the South Slave Tribal Council dated March 24, 1999.

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Tabled Document 18-13(7): Letter From South Slave Metis Tribal Council Regarding Appeal From Decisions On Electoral Boundaries

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 102

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Tabling of documents. Mr. Erasmus .

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Tabled Document 19-13(7): Paper By Roy Erasmus Entitled

Section 25 And 35, Collective Rights Versus Individual Rights

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 102

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to table a document entitled,

Section 25 and 35, Collective Rights versus Individual Rights by Roy Erasmus .

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Tabled Document 19-13(7): Paper By Roy Erasmus Entitled

Section 25 And 35, Collective Rights Versus Individual Rights

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 102

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Tabled Document 20-13(7): Oath Of Office Of MLA Roy Erasmus

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 102

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to table this document entitled the Oath of Office by Roy Erasmus . Thank you.

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Tabled Document 20-13(7): Oath Of Office Of MLA Roy Erasmus

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 102

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Tabling of documents. Mr. Morin .

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Tabled Document 21-13(7): Opening Prayer Of The Legislative Assembly Of The Northwest Territories

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 102

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to table a document, it is a document that every Member is familiar with in this House. It is the prayer that the Members of this House use prior to the start of the business of the day. Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen. Thank you.

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Tabled Document 21-13(7): Opening Prayer Of The Legislative Assembly Of The Northwest Territories

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 102

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Just to remind the Members if you table a document to table it under the heading. That would be sufficient. Tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Mr. Henry .

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Motion: 6-13(7): Amendments To The Rules Of The Legislative Assembly

Item 14: Notices Of Motion

Page 103

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Friday March 26, 1999, I will move the following motion.

Now therefore I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Thebacha , that the rules of the Legislative Assembly be amended by:

Striking out that portion of Rule 12(9) that follows, "When in the Assembly, every Member shall be attired..." and substituting "... in traditional aboriginal clothing or in a manner that does not offend the dignity of the Assembly.";

And Further that Rules 85 and 85.1 be rescinded and the following adopted:

85(1) At its first sitting after a general election, the Assembly shall appoint a Striking Committee of three Members to report and recommend, with all convenient speed, Members to comprise the following standing committees of the Assembly;

On Government Operations

On Resource Management and Infrastructure

On Rules and Procedures

On Social Programs

and any other standing and special committees as directed by the Assembly.

(2) The Standing Committee on Government Operations shall:

a) Review issues which have government wide implications;

b) Consider items and issues referred from other committees and the House;

c) Conduct the overview of the budget and the fiscal framework;

d) Consider the budgets and financial management of boards and agencies that are outside the responsibility of any standing committee, including the Office of the Legislative Assembly;

e) Examine the reports on the annual financial statements and public accounts of the Government of the Northwest Territories and the Report of the Auditor General;

f) Allocate to any other standing committee its examination of any estimates and any review of departmental performance;

g) Examine and consider the overall issues that affect the operation of the Government of the Northwest Territories relating to division.