Debates of Feb. 20th, 2009

This is page numbers 2423 - 2460 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was work .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 31-16(3): Wilderness Camps

Minister’s Statement 32-16(3): Mackenzie Gas Project

Apology To Minister Miltenberger

NWT Power Corporation Basketball Championships

Board Reform Issues

Bridges Over The Liard And Mackenzie Rivers

GNWT Privacy Policies And Issues

Lack Of Territorial Renewable Energy Training Programs

Mental Health Workers In The Mackenzie Delta

Water Treatment Facility In Sachs Harbour

Need For NWT Ombudsman

Business Development In Tu Nedhe

In Appreciation Of Canadian North’s Contribution To Minor Hockey

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Repair Of Water Treatment Plant In Sachs Harbour

Mental Health And Addictions Funding For Mackenzie Delta

Creation Of Ombudsman Office

Privacy Issues Affecting Case Management Processes

Availability Of Energy Monitoring Devices

Availability Of Energy Technician Training Programs

Mandate Of Refocusing Government Committee And Programs Review Office

Respite Care Policy

Construction Of Liard River Bridge

NWT Opportunities Fund

Authority Of Rental Officer Regarding Rent Increases

Volunteer Summit

Water Quality Monitoring

Hay River Hospital Governance Models

Programs To Facilitate Communities In Developing Energy Plans

Meeting To Discuss NGO Funding Policy

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery (Reversion)

Northwest Territories Truth And Reconciliation Commission

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 10:06 a.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 31-16(3): Wilderness Camps

Ministers’ Statements

Monfwi

Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I am pleased to announce the start of our fourth annual Elder Wilderness Camp Project for adult male offenders from the Sahtu.

This program runs for six weeks each winter. It is a specialty program that returns inmates to their home regions to participate in a camp with local elders. They learn from their own elders in a traditional setting close to home. Last year, the team of elders and department staff were honoured with a Premier ’s Collaboration Award. It is truly an example of working together to benefit the entire community.

Charlie and Laura Tobac and Angus Shae are the elders in charge of this program. They provide regular one-on-one counseling to offenders and teach them traditional skills they may never have learned. The direct connection with elders from their own regions also gives offenders the confidence to ask them for support in their communities once they leave the camp.

It is important to note, Mr. Speaker, that this is a specialty program, it may not be appropriate for everyone. Our full-time correctional camp at Kozo Lake is also available for minimum to medium-security adult male offenders who would benefit from this sort of program and are interested in participating. About seven offenders are there each day. They learn bush skills like trapping and fishing, and many of them come away with an improved

sense of who they are. It is an excellent program for reconnecting offenders with the land.

Mr. Speaker, these are not business opportunities. There are other GNWT programs that support outfitters and traditional hunters and trappers. These programs are developed to meet the needs of our inmates. It is not as simple as placing inmates at an existing camp. We have to design programs that meet their needs, and keep them in a camp that will provide appropriate security for the inmates, the staff and the public. Our corrections service has started work to develop other correctional wilderness programming that meets the needs of offenders.

When people are in our custody, we have an obligation to provide programs that help them to stay out of trouble in the future. Our current programs are excellent for certain offenders, but they are not what others may need. That is why we are trying to develop land programs that will specifically deal with the needs of a larger group of offenders.

To address this effectively, a Land Program Development Committee has been established.

This committee, comprised of five aboriginal case managers and liaison officers, will initially develop program objectives and identify inmate needs that can be met in camp settings. Once that work is done, they will help operators develop appropriate programs and will monitor their implementation. This is an important initiative that will provide greater focus on a very important aspect of our corrections programming. I look forward to the results of their work, and will be pleased to report back to this Assembly on their progress.

The department also funds a range of community justice committee activities.

Whereas correctional wilderness programs are just for sentenced offenders in custody, community justice committees have much more flexibility in the programming they offer. These programs are developed and implemented at the local level. The GNWT’s role is to provide financial, programming and training support. Every community is different, so the programs will not be the same from one region to another. But some of the most common activities are diversion programs and crime prevention programs.

In diversion, the committee accepts cases from the Crown and RCMP. These are minor cases, usually property crimes, and the offenders have agreed to plead guilty. The committee reviews these cases and comes up with a sentence that best fits the situation. In this context, on-the-land programming isn’t part of a sentence; it’s a way to reconnect youth with the land and encourage them to stay out of trouble in the future.

Crime prevention programs can be short or long; they can be at established camps or bush-style programs. The justice committee, interested residents and elders often participate in the development of these programs. I am always proud when communities take the initiative to deal with their own justice issues. Our crime rates are far too high. Mr. Speaker, we have to take responsibility for our own actions, and put programs in place that will work for us. It all comes down to community support, community planning, and community partnerships.

Mr. Speaker, I am very proud of these initiatives. They have been developed at the local level to address specific local needs. I would encourage all residents to become more involved in their local justice committees and the activities they run. That will ensure that our system truly represents the people it serves. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 31-16(3): Wilderness Camps

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment .

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Minister’s Statement 32-16(3): Mackenzie Gas Project

Ministers’ Statements

Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Mr. Speaker, the proposed Mackenzie Gas Project promises to be one of the single most important projects for the future of the Northwest Territories and one of the biggest economic development initiatives in Canada in the foreseeable future.

This project alone has the potential to build a thriving economy in our region and provide us with many of the choices and opportunities we require in order to create a vibrant, healthy and sustainable future for the Northwest Territories. It also has the potential to provide jobs, benefits to our country as a whole, and to serve as a much needed stimulus to the national economy.

The current economic downturn has given us the opportunity to highlight to our country's leaders that ours is a region whose economic potential and success promises to have direct and significant impacts on other provinces.

I discussed this potential with the Honourable Lisa Raitt, Minister of Natural Resources Canada, in

January. I emphasized to her that support of the Mackenzie Gas Project

would

contribute to the

economic recovery of almost every other Canadian jurisdiction. By way of our example, the Wright Mansell Report we commissioned determined that Alberta would see an increase in GDP of $9.9 billion and Ontario would see a GDP benefit of $5.1 billion from the construction and operation of the project.

I was pleased to see this support reflected in both announcements by Minister Prentice prior to the federal budget, as well as in the federal budget introduced on January 27, 2009. Minister Prentice indicated that the federal government is moving to work closely with the proponents of the Mackenzie Gas Project to ensure that the financial conditions were right to move forward with this project following the regulatory process.

The federal government committed $ 37.5 million in their recent budget to ensure that the regulatory process could continue to conclusion and federal departments could continue to work on the project for the 2009-10 fiscal year. These are strong signals that the federal government is prepared to support the Mackenzie Gas Project as one of the cornerstones of the new Canadian economy. Clearly this project is of the utmost importance to Canada and indeed to the energy future of North America.

Mr. Speaker, the Mackenzie Gas Project represents our best option to enhance opportunities for our youth and ensure that the population of the Northwest Territories grows in the future. It also offers us the opportunity to reduce the cost of living through gas conversion and reduce greenhouse gas emissions not only in the Northwest Territories, but across North America.

It is the reason why this government continues to support this project, subject to the regulatory review outcome, because of its importance on a continental scale. This is why we are advancing our support to it as a strategic initiative and one of our highest priorities.

Our objective is to see this project completed in a manner that minimizes potential impacts and maximizes benefits to all people of the Northwest Territories.

In the past four years, we have made significant advances towards preparing our residents, businesses and communities to take advantage of the opportunities that this project will offer. We signed a socio-economic agreement with the project proponents which will result in employment and business opportunities, training, reporting and will serve to mitigate impacts on our roads, health care, and social support systems.

We worked with the federal government to realize the Mackenzie Gas Project Impact Fund which will provide half a billion dollars over 10 years to address potential socio-economic impacts in regions affected by the proposed Mackenzie Gas Project.

We have fully participated in the environmental assessment and regulatory processes for this project and eagerly await their conclusion.

Looking forward, we will continue to harmonize our efforts with those of other regulators to ensure no more process hurdles impede the conclusion of the Mackenzie Gas Project regulatory process.

We will continue to be diligent in representing our positions and interests in the National Energy Board process to make certain that the best interests of present and future generations of Northwest Territories residents are heard and taken into account.

And we will continue to support aboriginal organizations such as the Aboriginal Pipeline Group and other Northwest Territories businesses and corporations who will provide the means through which our people will benefit.

Mr. Speaker, we are fully aware that the Mackenzie Gas Project still faces many challenges but we remain confident that it can and will be built.

Our work and role as the Government of the Northwest Territories will be critical to the realization of this goal in a timely, coordinated and consistent manner that will result in the dawn of a new and bright economic future for our residents as a strong and proud part of our Nation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 32-16(3): Mackenzie Gas Project

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Apology To Minister Miltenberger

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on Wednesday, February 18th , I said

some things in the heat of things in terms of the board reform. I have been thinking now for a couple of days about my words that came out in this discussion.

Last night I was with my children at home and was thinking about words that my mother taught me. Especially my grandmother, she always said to strive to work better with other people. Not too long

ago, some of the elders in the Sahtu told me to think about what I am going to say and how I am going to say it because words in the olden days were very powerful. They had a strong message and they could help you or they could hurt you in terms of what you want to do with your life or your people.

So I was thinking about this last night, Mr. Speaker, about the last couple of days here and I remember having some discussions. I want to say, for the record, Mr. Speaker, and I want to say it very sincerely, that I have said some things to Minister Miltenberger in terms of his style. I said something personally to him saying he acted like a dictator in a heated initiative that was happening in the Northwest Territories. I thought about this for a bit and I don’t feel very good about saying that very publicly, because I wanted to say that this is not what my elders have taught me. Sometimes you have to eat your words.

So I want to say that to Mr. Miltenberger himself, and his family, that I do wish to take back those words and say I want to work in cooperation on certain issues and that sometimes words slip out and sometimes you want to take them back. But sometimes it’s very hard. So I want to say that in terms of the teachings of my elders that I’m taking responsibility for looking at where we can work together on this initiative.

These are not the sentiments of the Sahtu people to name call people…

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Apology To Minister Miltenberger

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Yakeleya , your time for Member’s statement has expired.

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Apology To Minister Miltenberger

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Apology To Minister Miltenberger

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

So on behalf of the people of the Sahtu region I do apologize to the Minister and his family for those remarks I made and I will keep an eye on what I have to say in the future.

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Apology To Minister Miltenberger

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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NWT Power Corporation Basketball Championships

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I’d like to take my once a year opportunity to highlight my favourite sport and that would be basketball.

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NWT Power Corporation Basketball Championships

Members’ Statements

An Hon. Member

Hear! Hear!

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NWT Power Corporation Basketball Championships

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Far better than hockey.

---Interjection

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NWT Power Corporation Basketball Championships

Members’ Statements

An Hon. Member

I take it back.

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NWT Power Corporation Basketball Championships

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Over the next two weekends NWT and Nunavut basketball teams will battle it out in Yellowknife at the Annual NWT Power Corporation Junior Cager and Senior Cager Basketball Championships. Starting at 4:00 p.m. today all Members can enjoy watching 37 different junior basketball teams from six Yellowknife schools, Princess Alexandra school in Hay River, SAMS school in Inuvik, the Tulita Wolves, and a team from the Kugluktuk High School right through until late Sunday afternoon. Next weekend the Senior Cagers go to work, again from Friday afternoon until late Sunday. Yellowknife’s high school teams will go up against teams from Fort Simpson, Cambridge Bay, and Inuvik.

These two weekends will showcase both our young up and coming athletes and our current star athletes in the great sport of basketball. There will be competition in five different categories: Grade 6 category, Grade 7, and Grade 8 for the Junior Cager; and under 15 and under 19 divisions in the Senior Cager. Some of these players will represent the NWT at the 2009 Canada Summer Games in August of this year being held in PEI.

This is a big tournament. Last year Yellowknife hosted 39 teams from nine schools with more than 379 athletes who played 88 basketball games in 2.5 days. And that’s just the numbers for the juniors’ weekend. You can almost double that for the two weekends’ totals.

These two tournaments would not be possible without the efforts of volunteers: the numerous teachers and community members who coached the teams, the Yellowknife members of Basketball NWT who volunteer tirelessly before and during these championship weekends to ensure that the kids have a great time and enjoy the competition. Nor would a tournament of this magnitude be possible without the corporate sponsorship of the NWT Power Corporation. As much as we love to hate the Power Corporation, they recognize the value that sports and an active lifestyle can have for our young people.

The Power Corporation’s donation of $7,000 to the Cager tourneys shows their commitment to NWT youth and ensures successful championships.

In closing, I encourage all Members to find a noisy gym this weekend or next and watch our young people in action. I promise you will not be disappointed.

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NWT Power Corporation Basketball Championships

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Board Reform Issues

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Now that the dust has settled on those two dreaded words, “board reform,” I have some suggestions to offer going forward.

Some have suggested a special committee. A special committee is something that is struck by the Legislative Assembly, funded by the Legislative Assembly, commissioned by the Legislative Assembly, and the findings of the special committee reports back to the Legislative Assembly. In the past we’ve had some of these to deal with major issues on our agenda. Very costly. I don’t think we’ve had one yet that’s come back at a cost of under $1 million. I don’t know what we would actually find out if we had a special committee on board reform, so I can’t support that.

I don’t think that a joint committee of Cabinet and MLAs at this point would really serve this purpose very well either because when I mentioned the words ”constitutional development’ I was suggesting that what we were proposing as a government in terms of board reform could launch us into constitutional development talks and a full constitutional forum, because the federal government devolves authority to our territorial government and our territorial government devolves authority to the regions and communities.

If we were going to, with one fell swoop, wipe out that participation in the communities and regions, I would suggest that we would have some extremely unhappy aboriginal governments throughout our Territory. And they would necessarily be looking to the federal government to come in here and solve this problem. I wouldn’t really support just Cabinet and Regular Members either. I think if we want to go back to our priorities of the 16th Assembly and

talk about political development, we have to be very cognizant and inclusive of our aboriginal leaders as well.

We have something under our Refocusing Government Strategic Initiative Committee called the program review office. I think that we would be wise to encourage that committee and that office to continue to look at efficiencies and effectiveness department by department, and wait for and invite regions to come forward with efficiencies that they may be able to identify themselves. I’ve said before we have a lot of very pressing issues on our plate right now and I think we should totally dial back any further actions with respect to board reform.

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Board Reform Issues

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Bridges Over The Liard And Mackenzie Rivers

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I have always supported the Mackenzie Valley Highway Expansion Project and the benefits that this project will bring to communities throughout the Mackenzie Valley.

The key piece of infrastructure in this expansion project is the construction of permanent bridges over the Liard and Mackenzie rivers. Not only would these bridges complete the Mackenzie Highway and open up the Mackenzie Valley to the Arctic Coast, it would also provide much needed benefits to my people in my region and riding of Nahendeh. Permanent all-weather bridges for the residents of Fort Simpson and other Deh Cho communities would reduce the cost of living, expand economic opportunities, increase tourism opportunities, and overall enhance their quality of life. All of these benefits are fundamental to the goals that we established in this Assembly.

Residents of Fort Simpson in particular have waited a long time for some indication that a bridge over the Liard may be a reality. I am requesting that the Department of Transportation works with the communities to begin baseline studies, conceptual plans, and the Class D estimate process in order to move these projects into the government’s capital planning process. I would be asking the Minister questions at the appropriate time.

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Bridges Over The Liard And Mackenzie Rivers

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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GNWT Privacy Policies And Issues

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the debate about board reform on Wednesday the Premier identified that privacy policies seemed to block departments from working together. The issue was identified as one of the reasons for board reform. I guess the idea is that if nurses and teachers as well as housing and income support officials were co-located under one CEO they could freely exchange personal information about their clients. I’m not sure that it would work that way and it concerns me for two reasons.

First, if privacy policies are not operating now, then that’s a problem we need to work on and solve. Board reform won’t automatically solve that problem. The Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act was prepared and enacted by this government. If it needs to be amended or changed, then the Minister of Justice should bring forward

those proposals. It seems like an awfully long detour around a problem to rearrange a government structure of three major departments in order to improve employee access to personal information of their clients when that information is held by another agency.

Second, both the Premier and the Minister of Finance have talked about improving case management in the context of access to personal information of clients. The basis of good case management is client participation. The basis of being able to access and share a client’s personal information is client consent. If a client with various problems refuses to participate in understanding and determining his or her own needs and next steps, then the good deeds of social workers and nurses and housing representatives are not likely to help.

If a client does not consent to letting social workers and teachers have access to his or her medical records, then our laws say that we have to respect that. I, for one, don’t think that an income support worker should be able to access a client’s medical records without his or her consent.

I think this is a topic that deserves more work and attention as opposed to board amalgamation. Privacy issues often take two forms: to share individual information such as the case and topic that I just mentioned or in the form of the management of program IT systems which have lots and lots of personal information in them. Perhaps the Ministers were suggesting that the teachers should be able to access the income support records or electronic health records. This goes far beyond one worker dipping into a person’s file or another worker.

This would start a move towards Big Brother of George Orwell’s 1984, the government keeping a master file on its citizens. This is what the privacy laws are intended to prevent.

I do think the government needs to make more of an effort to tackle these issues. I do think the government needs to acquire additional expertise and privacy issues and work with relevant boards…

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Abernethy , your time for your Member’s statement has expired.

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Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do think the government needs to acquire additional expertise in privacy issues and work with relevant boards and authorities to develop the lawful protocols and agreements that would support improved case management and improved system

practices. There are methods and ways to properly sort through some of these issues. Agencies in southern provinces have figured out many of these issues.

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will be asking the Premier some questions. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Lack Of Territorial Renewable Energy Training Programs

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this government has recognized the need to reduce our environmental impacts, our cost of living by moving away from fossil fuels and mitigating climate change.

In fact, we’ve said we are going to dedicate $60 million over the next few years to energy initiatives. We have already started on the installation of biomass heating systems, wood pellet boilers and so on. We are looking at wood gasification. Mr. Speaker, every single community in the NWT is required to have an energy plan by 2010. They are working frantically to complete those and you will notice a lot of consultants throughout the Territory from down south working on this.

Mr. Speaker, in May of last year, the Standing Committee on Social Programs recommended that we get going on a Renewable Energy Technician Program at Aurora College and a Sustainable Communities Program to develop the expertise we need here.

The Alberta Energy Plan, which just came out, in every

section of that plan they highlight the need to develop the professionals and the expertise needed to achieve their goals. Mr. Speaker, where are our efforts in this area?

We know that expertise is needed in areas like home energy retrofits which we are embarking on through the Housing Corporation and so on in the area of renewable energy such as wind, solar, geothermal, biomass energy and, of course, the whole area of energy efficiency that can enter all aspects of our community systems and homes.

Mr. Speaker, we know that there are hundreds or thousands of opportunities for replacing fossil fuel systems or enhancing them with renewable energy systems throughout the NWT with attractive payback times of one to seven years. Solar hot water heating is an example of that, biomass space heating, et cetera.

Where are our programs to meet these training needs, Mr. Speaker? We’ve raised this before. There are so many opportunities out there. I am aware of training programs across Canada in communities or jurisdictions like New Brunswick, a number of community colleges: Seneca College Native Education Centre, Landon College, and other areas. Clearly there is a current and accelerating need for expertise and…

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Lack Of Territorial Renewable Energy Training Programs

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, colleagues. Clearly there is a current and accelerating need for expertise in community energy systems, energy efficiency and renewable energy, both for technical planning, administrative and government purposes. Let’s get these training programs on the ground now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Mental Health Workers In The Mackenzie Delta

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we all got elected to the 16th Assembly

from our constituents who gave us the direction to represent them in this House regardless of who they voted for or who they didn’t vote for. I think, Mr. Speaker, we have to ensure that we represent all our constituents in this Legislature and not just one group over another.

Mr. Speaker, we all have similar problems regardless of whether it’s in our larger centres or communities; the issue with regard to health and social services and delivery of programs and services. We cannot pit one group off against the other.

Mr. Speaker, the Inuvik region expends some $13 million with regard to health care, but in a lot of the communities I represent, a lot of these services that are being paid for by this government are not being delivered.

Mr. Speaker, to take an example, this government spends in the area of mental health and addictions $1.2 million in the Inuvik region. Yet, Mr. Speaker, I had to beg the Minister of Health to get money into my community so we could fill that position and not have the money sitting in the Inuvik board of health office to send someone to my community once a

month. Mr. Speaker, there again it shows that this government is not listening.

Mr. Speaker, the budget for mental health in Fort McPherson is $184,000. The Minister is committed to give the community $75,000, again shortchanging the community. Mr. Speaker, I, for one, will not take the injustice with regard to programs and services or even with regard to how capital is being allocated by this government. I think it’s very much underhandedly driven. I think it’s important that we sit down with those organizations and work with them and not work against them by using policy decisions or saying sorry you don’t have a qualified position or you don’t have a business case.

Mr. Speaker, I am still frustrated after yesterday’s events, but I think this government has to do something more than little gestures to say here, I’ll write you a letter and give it to the chair of the Beaufort-Delta Health Authority and see if they react to it. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has to do more than sending out a letter.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Krutko , your time for your Member’s statement has expired.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the Minister of Health and Social Services what action has been taken with regard to her letter.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Water Treatment Facility In Sachs Harbour

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I am speaking again on water treatment facility deficiencies in Sachs Harbour.

Mr. Speaker, I have always supported drinking tap water to eliminate the unnecessary use of bottled water. But for the community of Sachs Harbour, it would be irresponsible to do so.

I have spoken about the boil water advisory and the water treatment facility problems in Sachs Harbour recently. This problem is so important for the people of Sachs Harbour it must be mentioned again and again.

Mr. Speaker, when I think of Sachs Harbour now, I think about the water treatment plant. According to

leadership in the community, the water treatment facility is the only type still in Canada and it’s so problematic, when parts are needed they must come from the United States or other parts of the world. I believe the primary responsibility of this government is to provide basic necessities of life to the residents of the Northwest Territories. I also believe the water is one of those necessities, so I can say I don’t…Sorry. So I can understand why this government is taking so long to resolve this problem with the water treatment facility. With the cost of electricity, boiling water in Sachs Harbour is not only time consuming, but is also costly.

This is another issue with a long list of disparages between small isolated communities like Sachs Harbour and larger centres.

Mr. Speaker, I know the Minister of MACA and his predecessor have forwarded me correspondence on this issue and I greatly appreciate that. But the frustration of the community is still boiling over, no pun intended.

---Laughter

The cost is escalating year after year. According to the community members, it makes more cost saving sense to just replace the entire facility.

Why is MACA so persistent in signing over the water treatment plant to the community when there are so many problems unresolved?

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Water Treatment Facility In Sachs Harbour

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Why is MACA so committed to trying to sign this program over to the community? The proper way has always been to fix the problem, develop a plan. This will ensure the problems won’t occur again. Mr. Speaker, I’ll have questions for the Minister of MACA at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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Water Treatment Facility In Sachs Harbour

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Need For NWT Ombudsman

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are times when people believe very strongly that government has made a decision that is wrong, bad and even sometimes can be described as unfair and unbalanced. There have been numerous cases over the years where MLAs have had difficulty getting full information about circumstances and to be able to get to the bottom of an issue because

often we hit a wall when the reply comes back as this is an internal decision and the details cannot be pursued further due to reasons related to internal management, confidentiality, et cetera.

Mr. Speaker, some of those reasons are fair, and I can respect that, but not all. There are cases out there, for example, when a person has a concern with a staffing issue, whether it was fair or not, the UNW and the government have an appeal mechanism for people to use. Even income support assistance has an appeal board where applicants can have their chance to request their concern to be reviewed. Conversely though, if a person is denied public housing there is no available appeal mechanism.

What’s typically left is the person has to request their MLA to write to the department to get the Minister to go back and review the earlier decision. Guess what happens. The person who just said no goes back to their notes to say no again.

Mr. Speaker, I believe there’s a straightforward process and a solution that we could move forward to help our constituents and our people of the North. Many provinces across Canada including the Yukon have established an ombudsman. An ombudsman is an independent and objective investigator who follows up on people’s complaints. Mr. Speaker, they take into consideration the privacy issues and are able to balance them in a fair, respectful and certainly an objective way. The ombudsman can help all parties understand the differences and help resolve the decision and find a solution.

This ombudsman could be a statutory officer, of which we have several, and they could be accountable to the government as are other statutory officers, Mr. Speaker, such as we have access to information, privacy protection, language and human rights. We also have ombudsman who could deal with various...Sorry. I’ll have questions for the Premier later today.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Business Development In Tu Nedhe

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I want to talk about business development in Tu Nedhe. Mr. Speaker, today I wish to talk about the need for this government to increase support to communities in the area of business development. Mr. Speaker, in Tu Nedhe we have very few small businesses and very few government and private industry jobs. The people of Tu Nedhe can work in the traditional economy by hunting and trapping; however, that is never enough to sustain a family for the full year. Mr. Speaker, the current alternatives are few and many

families need income support to make ends meet. However, Mr. Speaker, this government may be able to help these small businesses by stepping up their support for development of small businesses.

Mr. Speaker, currently the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment along with the Business Development and Investment Corporation are mandated to develop businesses across the North. For various reasons, Mr. Speaker, the system does not seem to work. Mr. Speaker, any time you have an organization that is set up to rely on another organization to complete their work for them but have no authority over that organization, it doesn’t work well.

Currently, the Business Development and Investment Corporation is responsible for small business development or business development, however, they have to ask the ITI regional staff to complete community work for them. At this time the structure does not work. Mr. Speaker, these types of organizational structures usually do not work. The ITI staff have their own work and staff tend to do the work that is directed by their supervisors and not a corporation that has no direct authority over them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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In Appreciation Of Canadian North’s Contribution To Minor Hockey

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I was on the phone this morning with the president of the Inuvik Minor Hockey Association, Mr. Les Skinner, and he informed me that he’d received a call the other day from Canadian North asking him if he could find 10 kids to bring down to Edmonton to take

part in an Oilers game. After some negotiating, Mr. Skinner managed to get 16 nine and 10-year-old kids down to Edmonton. Canadian North in partnership with the Edmonton Oilers...

They get to go down to Rexall Place, they’ll practice tomorrow with the Oiler coaching staff, and tomorrow night they’re going to be part of the honour guard. They’ll get to go into the dressing room and meet the players. They’re also going to be on the after-hours show, again, I think that’s the game tomorrow night that’s televised on CBC.

Our colleague from Frame Lake pointed out to one of the corporate citizens sponsoring the basketball tournament this weekend and I think we don’t do enough to acknowledge the corporate citizenship across the Northwest Territories who put a lot of money into giving these kids an opportunity which a lot of them may not have had if not for this. I think we should acknowledge the work of Canadian

North in bringing these kids down and the Edmonton Oilers for taking time out in their busy day to mingle with the kids. I’ve always said that anything we do for children across the Northwest Territories, if we could make a difference in the life of one child across the Northwest Territories then anything we have done will have been worth it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Colleagues, it’s my pleasure today to introduce a constituent of mine in the gallery today, Karen Bouchard. She’s here as a chaperone for two lovely young ladies that are here paging for us this week from Hay River North, Desiree Bouchard and Chantel Beck. Both of these gals are students from Ecole Boreale in Hay River. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to recognize my wife, Judy, who’s down here for a few days taking a course and visiting me. I’m trying to talk a little longer until she comes right around the corner there. She’s not quite in there yet but she’ll appear shortly. Thank you.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 6, acknowledgements. No acknowledgements today. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Jacobson .

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Question 174-16(3): Repair Of Water Treatment Plant In Sachs Harbour

Oral Questions

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is for the Minister of MACA . Given the complexities of the problem with the water treatment plant in Sachs Harbour, the repair costs associated and continued uncertainty of the water treatment plant operations, is the government committed to having the repair completed prior to transferring responsibilities for the water treatment facility over to the Hamlet of Sachs Harbour? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 174-16(3): Repair Of Water Treatment Plant In Sachs Harbour

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 174-16(3): Repair Of Water Treatment Plant In Sachs Harbour

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, it is government’s position that anything that we do

decide to turn over to the communities has to be in top working order before it’s turned over. Thank you.

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Question 174-16(3): Repair Of Water Treatment Plant In Sachs Harbour

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 175-16(3): Mental Health And Addictions Funding For Mackenzie Delta

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services and it’s in regard to a letter that she wrote to myself saying that she was going direct the Beaufort-Delta Health and Social Services Authority to transfer $75,000 to the community of Fort McPherson to administer the program. Yet, Mr. Speaker, I noted under the budget item for mental health in the Inuvik region that for Fort McPherson it’s $184,000 for mental health and addictions. I’d like to ask the Minister, have you received a response to that letter? More importantly, why is it the community is being short changed by way of $75,000 versus the $185,000 that is in the budget?

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Question 175-16(3): Mental Health And Addictions Funding For Mackenzie Delta

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 175-16(3): Mental Health And Addictions Funding For Mackenzie Delta

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The letter that I wrote to the Beaufort Health and Social Services Authority directing them to transfer $75,000 to a community government who may be willing to deliver this program is as a result of the fact that the Tl’oondih Healing Society and the authority, their discussions have not resulted in a resolution as to how this program could be delivered there. The amount of $75,000 is in line with the money that the authority had given to Tl’oondih Healing Society in the last fiscal year.

The dollar amount that the Member is speaking about is bigger than the contribution that the authority used to give to Tl’oondih Healing Society. The Member is mistaken in mixing the two funds. I just want to indicate to the Member I did this because that was what the Member wanted for the community. If he would like me to revisit that and tell the authority not to do it, I would be happy to do that as well. Thank you.

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Question 175-16(3): Mental Health And Addictions Funding For Mackenzie Delta

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I have been getting calls from my leadership wondering where is this position, how soon can they see the money and how soon can they fill that position. I would like to ask the Minister, have you got any direction back that the health authority will agree to releasing that money to the community? How soon will it happen?

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, I directed the authority last week. I would be happy to check with the Member if that is what he wishes me to do and to make sure this has been followed through. I have no reason to believe that it would not be. Thank you.

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Question 175-16(3): Mental Health And Addictions Funding For Mackenzie Delta

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

The Minister is more hopeful than I am. This is something I have been dealing with for 12 years. Again, I would like to get back to the original question. Mental health and addiction services in Fort McPherson is $184,815 for two positions. One is a mental health position and one is an alcohol and drug position. The mental health position is more costly than the alcohol and drug position. Also there is O and M dollars there to operate and maintain an office. I would like to ask the Minister, in light of this budget item, can the Minister direct the health authority to give all the dollars that are for that position including the O and M that goes along with it?

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Question 175-16(3): Mental Health And Addictions Funding For Mackenzie Delta

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

My discussion with the Member from Mackenzie Delta for the last six months has revolved around the contract the Tl’oondih Healing Society has had with the Beaufort-Delta Health and Social Services Authority. The Member would like us to expend that. Mr. Speaker, I think it is important we ask the authority and the band office or the community government to work on this position and then see from there how we could expend that. We know that there are two or three positions on the Mental Health and Wellness Program.

The focus right now is to use the money that used to be allocated to the Tl’oondih Healing Society which has not been used for a very long time. I am hearing from the communities as well as the Member that we need to do something there right away. I would like to ask the Member to let us just focus on this first and then go from there as to how we expend that. Thank you.

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Question 175-16(3): Mental Health And Addictions Funding For Mackenzie Delta

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 175-16(3): Mental Health And Addictions Funding For Mackenzie Delta

Oral Questions

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister get back to me and the community leaders as soon as possible that this has been prescribed and in which direction it has been given. The divisional board of health in Inuvik has agreed they will transfer that money and will allow the community to fill that position in regards to who they like to run the programs and services. Can the Minister keep me and the community involved in when this decision is made and when the action is going to take place to move on it? Thank you.

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Yes, Mr. Speaker. I would be happy to do that. Thank you.

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Question 175-16(3): Mental Health And Addictions Funding For Mackenzie Delta

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 176-16(3): Creation Of Ombudsman Office

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Despite my flu, I am still willing to go at it. Mr. Speaker, the issue I raised today in my Member’s statement is the idea of establishing an ombudsman’s office. I can go into numerous examples, but I think even our good Premier has probably had some experience where some decisions have been made in the past when he was a Regular MLA. It was tough to get to the bottom of them.

What I am suggesting is that we establish an ombudsman’s office, not unlike any of the other statutory offices we have here in the Northwest Territories, to help both constituents and ourselves to get to the bottom of why certain decisions are made and to make sure that they are both fair, balanced and definitely respectful. Mr. Speaker, my question directed to the Premier , of course, is would he take a look at this initiative and see if there are certain merits to do something similar as they do in the Yukon to establish an NWT ombudsman’s office here in the North? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be prepared to, through our business planning process and cycle, work with Members of the Assembly if they feel that this is an initiative that should be added to that process for consideration. I would be prepared to do that. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 177-16(3): Privacy Issues Affecting Case Management Processes

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Premier and a follow up to my Member’s statement. Can the Premier explain to me how an improved case management approach to clients with multiple issues could be based on something other than consent and participation of the client in determining his or her needs whether or not the various case workers are employed by the same board? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That response will probably require taking up a fair

bit of time. If we want to go into all the details of our processes that are in place, some of it existing in legislation, some of it on professional responsibilities and all the different professions, but there are examples where people fall between the cracks between one department and another and it is a case management process that we need to look at. It is not an issue of the access to information piece; it is more our own process whether it is in legislation or professional responsibility.

If we are to proceed down this path, we would have to look at that type of area and make some changes which would have been, I believe, incorporated in the process we were initially undertaking. But we could look at trying to do something in a different manner as we progress forward. Thank you.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I appreciate that response. Following up on that, currently there is only one position allocated in the GNWT as the GNWT’s resource for access to information and protection of privacy legislation. That position is located within the Department of Justice. Does the Premier agree that, since privacy is an issue, the government needs to allocate more than one position to this responsibility? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, if going with the issue of case management on these files, again, I don’t believe that is an issue of access to information. It is the professionals working together and looking at our legislation that we have in place or regulations. The access to information office, again, if they feel that they are in need of expanding their services, we would have to look through that as the next business planning cycle approaches us. Thank you.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I think that the two are actually related. Training could be an issue. I don’t believe that all the staff is aware that there are ways to share information legally and work together. The departments tend to live in silos. Client consent is effective. Would the Premier commit to ensure that staff from senior managers down to program delivery staff are adequately trained and understand the concepts of consent for release and sharing of information? I believe that many residents wouldn’t resist releasing their information if they understand why it is in their best interest and how it could help government provide holistic care. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, I think this is a systematic issue that we need to deal with where we talk about what the Members have mentioned, silos and departments working from time to time, we have been trying to change that approach and that work environment. I think that with the work that we can do, if we want to move

forward, we can look at options of trying to level that out. If it requires on the other side trying to come up with a process for staff to better share information, we can do that, but that work will have to be undertaken. We will have to look at professional designations, our legislation and regulations as well. We are prepared to look at that. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Premier for that response. He did talk about legislation. Would the Premier commit to reviewing legislation related to providing health, housing and education services to residents of the North that ensures certain necessary pieces of information can be shared without unnecessarily or inappropriately compromising the privacy of our residents? For example, when is it appropriate or reasonable for a department to share generic information with another department, things like health care and cards for determining residency? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, I believe the fact is that our employees all swear an oath to confidentiality on the files, that should be a fairly clear step that we should be able to share information. But there are a lot of groups out there in other areas outside of government that look at how we hold information or use that information and how it is shared even amongst departments within one government. We will have to take a good look at this and take the appropriate approach and work with Members to come up with a solution that would work.

I believe we all work, our staff work, whether it is health, education, justice or housing, they work for the Government of the Northwest Territories. Whether it is through an authority or not, the funding does flow. The legislation exists at this level and we should be able to make it work. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 178-16(3): Availability Of Energy Monitoring Devices

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On October 23, 2008, I had questions for the Minister of NTPC on initiatives that the communities can use in terms of how they can conserve their energy in terms of a device that was used in B.C. I think it is called an electrical monitoring device. The Minister responded very favourably to my question. I would like to ask the Minister in regards to these monitoring devices, when will they be available to the residents in the Northwest Territories to use as

a tool to conserve the energy and also to save on the power bill?

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Question 178-16(3): Availability Of Energy Monitoring Devices

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The monitoring device is one that would measure the use of electricity in homes and the homeowner could then decide what appliances they are using, how much energy and if they should be changing that appliance or changing the method of use of that appliance. It is something that we are in the process of purchasing additional monitors. They would be, in a sense, not just for one unit. We would have to use them in different communities and places so that they are transferable. They would be, in a sense, borrowed or put on a unit for a number of days or a week or so. I am not sure the extent.

Once the homeowner finds out the type of consumption, maybe they can do some adjustment in that manner and then that unit would be taken to the next home in a community. We would rotate them. That is the process we are looking at doing. I know that we have ordered additional units and looking at how we can get them out to communities. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, certainly the Minister is correct in terms of the usage and the advantages of having monitoring devices in the communities. I would ask the Minister in terms of identifying locations and where these offices are situated throughout the Northwest Territories, if he would give some careful consideration to some of the communities that are more isolated communities that would help them with their consumption or monitoring, educating the people in terms of the use of energy in their homes and that they be provided some direction also in terms of how they can take advantage of these monitoring devices.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, that is the reason why we are ordering additional monitors, so that we can spread it around the Territory. We would look at a number of communities or areas when it comes to the high cost of living and try to spread it out as much as possible. Again, there are only so many units we can have and rotate around the communities in the Territory. Once we get this plan set up, I will share that with the Members. Thank you.

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I also understand from the response from the Minister’s office in terms of these monitoring devices, that they are available at some of the local hardware stores in the Northwest Territories. Is there any way that some of the private homeowners that may not be eligible but would like some of these monitoring

devices be put in their houses, any way within NTPC’s operations that they somehow can get some reimbursement or a discount in terms of when they purchase it through these local hardware stores as in terms of their effort to conserve energy and to reduce the cost of living in their communities?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, the Power Corporation itself has set up a process where real purchase and real use of those devices around the Territory, we are not in a position to buy them and give them away. That process may be better used through Arctic Energy Alliance’s process where there could be that type of support through a number of other departments. Our goal within the Power Corporation, because of the structure and the way we have to account for our funding, we have agreed to purchase more of these units and rotate them around the North to try and help out as many people across the North. Thank you.

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Question 178-16(3): Availability Of Energy Monitoring Devices

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Your final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister then somehow communicate to the Arctic Energy Alliance in terms if residents knowing that the NTPC has a limited amount of power monitoring devices that he can communicate this to the Power Corp to meet with the Arctic Energy Alliance to see if they are willing to set aside a certain amount of dollars so individuals who are in private units in small communities and somehow can work out an arrangement to receive these monitoring devices in the North?

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, the approach I will take is work with the Ministers, the Energy Coordinating Committee, and make the approach to the appropriate bodies, whether it would be the Arctic Energy Alliance or through this process. We will look at what we can do to try to expand this program as much as possible. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 179-16(3): Availability Of Energy Technician Training Programs

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and environment. I am wondering, as a follow up to my statement earlier today, what renewable energy, energy efficiency and energy planning programs are currently available at Aurora College or other institutions in the Northwest Territories and/or under planning to be implemented soon. My question, of

course, is based on the opportunity we have here to achieve many of the goals of this Assembly by using our own people to address this very important…I think we have seen it reflected in the questions already today. I would appreciate that response. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly we have a partnership through Aurora College and Aurora Research Institute which is the hub of the Arctic Research Initiative. Certainly through that avenue students are taking specific programs through Aurora College with the partnership with southern institutions as well and the universities. There is the pan-territorial discussion on how we can expand with our programming at that level. We are open to suggestions and ideas. I think we are making great progress in the North. Mahsi.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Somehow that doesn’t develop my confidence a lot. I am not aware of any training programs currently offered in this area in Aurora College, but I would be happy to learn anything specific the Minister is aware of. This was awarded a year ago by the Standing Committee on Social Programs to the department. What partnerships are we currently developing specifically with other institutions? Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, there was some discussion on environmental studies, possibly programming at the Aurora College facility. We are working close with ENR in that area, along with environmental monitoring boards. There is been some discussion and it’s at the preliminary stages. Certainly we will be making strides in that area because it is important to have that programming in the North. Certainly the ARI, Aurora Research Institute, will be actively involved in this area.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I appreciate the comments from the Minister. Mr. Speaker, we’re planning to spend $15 million this year on energy initiatives. Those are new initiatives and that’s not to mention the programs that we’ve already got going, so there is an urgency to this. I know we’re filling up our planes with consultants from the South but that’s not the best use of our resources. We do have some progressive entrepreneurs in the North; for example, Arctic Green Energy, which is working with pellet boilers and so on.

I think there’s an Energy Wall Construction company and probably several people could mention companies in their own towns. Are we planning strong, effective and immediate support for an apprenticeship program to ensure that we get the technical expertise

developed by our own people with these progressive companies that are actually struggling because of the shortage of expertise now and would appreciate that support? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, with apprenticeship programming there has been a review in that area. We’re always looking for suggestions and ideas on how or where we can improve in our programming. Certainly working along with other various boards and agencies throughout the North we get valuable input into our educational system. Certainly I’ll be more than willing to hear from the Member on what he has to provide to our educational system.

With respect to if it’s going to be an environmental aspect, he’s talking about trades, that’s another area. Those are the areas that we are currently working with. Like I said, we’re open to any suggestions from the Members. Mahsi.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you for that response by the Minister and the openness that he’s extended. Would the Minister, therefore, commit to modifying the existing programs of building maintainer, electrician, plumber and gas fitting courses to incorporate energy savings into their curriculum and will the Minister commit immediately to developing apprenticeship opportunities for the progressive companies in this area? Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, certainly, like I said earlier, there has been a review being done on the programming within Aurora College. Certainly we’ll take those into consideration during our review of the programming again. I think we are at a stage where we need to integrate those into our programs, what the Member has alluded to. I think it’s an important aspect. On a moving-forward basis, we will be going through the business planning process and we’ll certainly take those into consideration. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 180-16(3): Mandate Of Refocusing Government Committee And Programs Review Office

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m not sure who these questions should be directed to; at first I thought the Premier , but maybe actually the Minister in charge of the Refocusing Government Strategic Initiative Committee.

Mr. Speaker, we have a committee concentrating on refocusing government. I’d like, for the public’s

benefit, to hear what the mandate of that Strategic Initiative committee is and maybe also have the Minister or Premier elaborate a bit on what is the program review office. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we’re having a side discussion here on the approach to being the lead Minister. On the Strategic Initiative committees, as we’ve structured them, Refocusing Government Initiative is looking at the broad categories within government and how we operate and deliver programs and services. The specific area of program services review office has structured within the Refocusing Government Initiative and that is an area where we would be looking at the type of programming we’re delivering now in the environment, looking at is that the best way of delivery of a program.

For example, we’re gathering information in a number of areas to get the baseline data on how the initiatives are working or how existing programs are working and then going to look at are there ways of improving on that service delivery or changing the way it’s delivered in our communities so it makes better use of the dollars. For the actual structure set-up, I will make that available again to Members and provide that. Thank you.

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Question 180-16(3): Mandate Of Refocusing Government Committee And Programs Review Office

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

I’d like to ask the Premier if the review of the programs of various departments, department by department, if that would include the governance related to the delivery of those programs and services. Thank you.

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Question 180-16(3): Mandate Of Refocusing Government Committee And Programs Review Office

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, the program review office right now looks at the effective and efficiency side of current government operations. For example, a number of areas we’ve started doing some work on earlier this winter and gathering the initial information was, for example, the growth and health expenditures, adult education and training aspect, the K to 12 schooling program and the impact of the funding changes related to, for example, the pupil-teacher ratio. Those are things we’re gathering information on, that type of system. We’ve not looked at the governance side of things as of yet. Thank you.

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Question 180-16(3): Mandate Of Refocusing Government Committee And Programs Review Office

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Could the examination of the governance within a department related to the delivery of programs and services be an appropriate thing to look into under the mandate of the program review office? Thank you.

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Question 180-16(3): Mandate Of Refocusing Government Committee And Programs Review Office

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, right now we’re structured...For example, one of the other areas is within the Refocusing Government Initiative the appropriate deputies and Ministers

lead their conduct of ongoing program reviews by interdepartmental working groups and clarify and confirm mandates. At that level we’re doing the work. We haven’t looked at the expansion to, for example, the governance section, how authorities work and so on. We’re looking more at the program delivery side. We could sit down with Members and look at should we expand that look and do that work in that area. It is an opportunity, but right now it is more specific to actual program delivery area. Thank you.

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Question 180-16(3): Mandate Of Refocusing Government Committee And Programs Review Office

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 180-16(3): Mandate Of Refocusing Government Committee And Programs Review Office

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

I think that looking at those mechanisms for management and advisory within departments would be a natural fit for a program review office. I think that we are trying to create a separate vehicle here to look for effectiveness and efficiencies and I think we’ve already got it set right up there. How many people work in the program review office? How many people are dedicated to this exercise? Thank you.

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Question 180-16(3): Mandate Of Refocusing Government Committee And Programs Review Office

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, the program review office is four staff working in this specific area. Again, the delivery side is what our focus is on and I’m sure we can do some work to look at a better efficiency process of doing work on behalf of the people of the Northwest Territories. The governance structures and so on are, right now, outside that mandate, but I’m prepared to talk to Members if we should look at that avenue. Thank you.

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Question 180-16(3): Mandate Of Refocusing Government Committee And Programs Review Office

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 181-16(3): Respite Care Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are addressed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . I know that the Minister is aware of the respite service that is run out of Stanton Hospital for caregivers of patients with chronic conditions. I know that the Minister also knows of difficulties experienced by one of my constituents last year who is now so frustrated with the inconsistency of the service that she hasn’t used it in almost a year. I want to ask the Minister, first, have there been any improvements in the guidelines for the Respite Care Program since last fall when we discussed this issue? Thank you.

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Question 181-16(3): Respite Care Policy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Lee .

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Question 181-16(3): Respite Care Policy

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I thank the Member for the question and

I’m very familiar with the individual situation that she’s been working on. I can advise the Member, yes, the authority issued a guideline that specifies more clearly about what the procedure is in terms of how that one respite care bed at the hospital is to be used for those who need it. Thank you.

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Question 181-16(3): Respite Care Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I think those guidelines are the ones that I was referencing, so I presume they haven’t changed. The major concern with the program for my constituent is that the system does not guarantee that the dates booked by the caregiver will be honoured. How is a family supposed to plan for a holiday when the respite booking can be cancelled mere days before it’s going to start? I want to know if the Minister finds this acceptable and, if not, what she is prepared to do about it. Thank you.

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Question 181-16(3): Respite Care Policy

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

I would agree with the Member that this is not adequate. It’s not possible for a hospital to be able to guarantee these respite beds. Hospital administrators have to be able to make decisions under last minute notice. I think at best a respite bed here could be confirmed with a week in advance, but I know that for many families, especially large families with a holiday planned, they need to be able to plan months in advance.

What’s being done about it? The Territorial Dementia Centre, which is on time right now and hopefully it will be open by the end of the year, and it will have respite beds as well as day programming which I think will help a lot. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 181-16(3): Respite Care Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I thank the Minister for the explanation. I do understand that there are emergency situations when the respite bed cannot be released as has been booked, but except for emergency situations, can the Minister advise that one week’s notice...The caregiver is required to provide a one-week, kind of, confirmation to the hospital that the patient or the client will be coming in. So it seems unfair to me that the hospital cannot also provide the same one-week notice to the caregiver when a cancellation has to be done. Emergent situations aside, can the Minister advise that the guidelines will guarantee one week’s notice if a cancellation has to occur? Thank you.

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Question 181-16(3): Respite Care Policy

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

My information is that the authority has put this in practice to increase the chance of being able to do that. I think we need to be mindful of the fact, Mr. Speaker, that all beds have to be available in situations, and especially with this respite care bed, if a patient walks in who goes into a palliative care with no notice or less than a week’s notice, it is really hard to guarantee the bed for respite services. Because respite service, as important as it is to families, will not be on top of the priorities.

Mr. Speaker, I totally agree with the Member and the family that this is less than an ideal situation and we need to increase the respite care beds outside of the hospital. We are doing that with the Territorial Dementia Centre. Thank you.

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Question 181-16(3): Respite Care Policy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Final supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 181-16(3): Respite Care Policy

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I’m looking for a guarantee outside of emergency situations. It’s understood that there may be situations as the one that the Minister has mentioned with palliative care. It may be that the previous user of the respite bed isn’t picked up on time. Those things are understood. But all things being equal, if a cancellation has to be made for a reason other than an emergency, where is the one-week notice? Can the Minister guarantee that? Thank you.

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Question 181-16(3): Respite Care Policy

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

I suppose I could guarantee outside of emergency, yes, you could have that bed, but to me that’s almost a meaningless guarantee because my understanding is that family wants to be able to book respite care, plan accordingly, and be able to take advantage of this. Under the current system that’s not possible because there are always emergencies that could come in. I will make the commitment to the Member that I will revisit the policy and see how it works, have we had any problems with the last-minute cancellation on the part of the hospital, and we will continue to work on this until we get the real respite beds at the Territorial Dementia Centre. Thank you.

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Question 181-16(3): Respite Care Policy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 182-16(3): Construction Of Liard River Bridge

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement I raised the issue of the permanent bridges across the Liard and Mackenzie Rivers as part of the Mackenzie Highway expansion. My questions are for the Minister of Transportation . Can the Minister advise me of any previous work that was done on the bridge at the Liard River Crossing near Fort Simpson, any cost estimates and/or scoping? As well, can that information be shared? Thank you.

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Question 182-16(3): Construction Of Liard River Bridge

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Question 182-16(3): Construction Of Liard River Bridge

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Deh Cho

Michael McLeod

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Chairman, I believe most of our river crossings, the major river crossings in the Northwest Territories have been reviewed by the federal government in the ‘70s and perhaps even earlier. I certainly would be happy to have our staff go see what kind of documents were

put together in those days and anything pertaining to the Liard River and share it with the Member. Thank you.

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Question 182-16(3): Construction Of Liard River Bridge

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I would like to know if the Minister will know how much work would be involved in developing a new and current cost estimate and/or scoping plan for the Liard River Bridge. Thank you.

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Question 182-16(3): Construction Of Liard River Bridge

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Deh Cho

Michael McLeod

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, I’m not an engineer and it would be very difficult for me to assess what it would cost. I would assume it would be fairly significant and we would probably not be very willing to do that until we knew there was a potential project in the works. Thank you.

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Question 182-16(3): Construction Of Liard River Bridge

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Well, I’d like to help him with a potential project there, Mr. Speaker.

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, in my Member’s statement I spoke about capital planning process and a bridge. I just want to clarify that my request for the capital planning process was for the planning and engineering costs not so much as a resource to build a bridge. Will the Minister consider resourcing some dollars in the capital planning process to provide resources for an engineering and/or scoping study? Thank you.

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Question 182-16(3): Construction Of Liard River Bridge

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Deh Cho

Michael McLeod

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, it’s always been our intention to try to encourage the federal government to move on to larger projects, especially in this day and age as an economic stimulus. The Mackenzie Valley Highway is a very good project for the long term. It would involve many businesses across the North, many companies that are currently looking for work. We expect, as we move forward, that we would include bridges such as Liard and the Bear and Ndulee as part of these projects. We also have to recognize, Mr. Speaker, that there are other bridge projects that are being actively promoted. The Peel River and the crossing at Tsiigehtchic are ones that we have to look at.

Mr. Speaker, at this point, our resources are stretched to the limit and we would be very reluctant to engage in doing any more resea