Debates of March 12th, 2007

This is page numbers 1425 - 1454 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was caribou .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Mallik Gas Hydrates Program

Genuine Mackenzie Valley Fur Program

Waste Of Caribou Meat

Decisive Action Required To Protect Caribou

Consultations With Tlicho Elders On Wildlife Management Decisions

Sustainable Caribou Population Levels

Long-term Impacts Of Caribou Management Decisions

Incorporating Traditional Knowledge In Caribou Management

Value-added Opportunities For Caribou Products

Responsibility Of Individuals For Caribou Management Decisions

Federal Funding For Public Transit System

Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

Traditional Activities At William Mcdonald School

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Mackenzie Mountain Outfitters

Student Financial Assistance Residency Requirements

Land Claim Wildlife Management Provisions

Commercial Caribou Hide Tanning Opportunities

Jurisdiction Of Wildlife Co-management Boards

Protection Of Caribou Calving Grounds

Federal Funding For Public Transit Systems

Tlicho Land Claim Wildlife Management Provisions

Student Financial Assistance Loan Limits

Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

Candidate Protected Areas

Community Funding Under The Water And Sewage Services Policy

Written Question 57-15(5): Catholic Students In Yellowknife Separate School System

Return To Written Question 48-15(5): Interpretive Service In Health Centres

Tabled Document 111-15(5): Interactivity Transfers Over $250,000

Tabled Document 112-15(5): Transportation Of Dangerous Goods Act, 2006 Annual Report

Support For Work Of The Inuvik Caribou Summit

Support For Work Of The Inuvik Caribou Summit

Motion To Amend Motion 23-15(5)

Recorded Vote

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

More Specific Prescription For Use Of Aboriginal Languages

Extending Obligations Of The Official Languages Act To Third Parties That Provide Services On A Contractual Basis

Regulating Basic Services Available In All Official Languages Regardless Of Geographic Area

System For Providing Service Through Toll-free Numbers In French And Aboriginal Languages

Training And Certification Of Interpreters And Translators

Establishment Of A Registry Of Interpreters And Translators For All Official Languages

Comprehensive Response To Cr 10-15(5) Be Tabled Within 120 Days

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 22: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 2006-2007

Item 21: Prorogation

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Lee , Hon. Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Hon. Kevin Menicoche , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Yakeleya

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the House. Orders of the day. Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 84-15(5): Mallik Gas Hydrates Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Aurora College, through the Aurora Research Institute, or ARI, is involved in a major research project in the Beaufort-Delta working with Natural Resources Canada and the Japan Oil, Gas and Metals National Corporation, an arm of the Government of Japan. ARI is assisting with the delivery of a major energy research program involving gas hydrates.

Japan and Canada have collaborated to advance research on gas hydrates for the past 10 years, having completed previous field projects at the Mallik site in 1998 and 2002. Japan has a keen interest in gas hydrates as it has sources offshore where there are immense challenges in conducting research. The work underway is pioneering new methods of extracting gas hydrates and the results of this research will not only benefit the NWT, Canada and Japan, but other locations where deposits of gas hydrates exist. Finding new sources of energy, particularly cleaner sources of energy, is important for the international community.

Mr. Speaker, gas hydrates are a solid form of natural gas, which is believed to be abundant in the Mackenzie Delta. The Mallik Gas Hydrates Research and Development Program is planned over two winters, 2006-07 and 2007-08. The goal is to see the first experimental production from gas hydrates. As gas hydrate deposits also occur in marine settings, Japan is interested in evaluating whether techniques developed and proven in the NWT are applicable to the production of Japanese offshore deposits.

Natural gas is a clean burning hydrocarbon fuel. Canada would benefit if gas hydrates could be developed as an environmentally sustainable resource. The NWT would benefit as estimates suggest the volume of gas hydrates in the Mackenzie Delta may equal or exceed that of conventional gas resources.

Mr. Speaker, the project is on track. Road construction was initiated in December and, in February, drilling equipment was mobilized to the site. Currently two research wells are being drilled. Between 100 and 115 people are working at the camp which has reached full

capacity. Despite harsh weather conditions, good progress is being made.

Mr. Speaker, Members of this House may take pride in this $50 million research project as it has an unprecedented role for Aurora College and ARI. The college is acting as a coordinator for field activities with major contracts following the terms of the access and benefits agreement signed with the Inuvialuit Development Corporation. This ensures that local businesses and joint ventures play a key role in the program with the majority of the program budget being spent on contracts with northern drilling and oilfield companies.

The Gas Hydrates Research Program is a good opportunity for Aurora Research Institute to take an active role in leading-edge research in the energy sector and could improve the ability of ARI to secure funding for other large-scale programs including alternate energy programs related to wind and hydro power.

Mr. Speaker, the NWT is focussed on all aspects of energy development in northern Canada. Responsible development of rich energy resources will play a key role in the economic development of the Northwest Territories and will have an impact on the Energy Strategy of Canada as a whole. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 84-15(5): Mallik Gas Hydrates Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bell .

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Minister's Statement 85-15(5): Genuine Mackenzie Valley Fur Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to report today on the excellent performance of NWT harvested furs at recent fur auctions.

In total, over 9,000 NWT pelts have been sold at three separate auctions since January. In all cases, fur sold through the Genuine Mackenzie Valley Fur Program has outperformed fur from all other jurisdictions at auction...

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...with total sales from all pelts now expected to exceed $800,000.

Marten pelts sold through the Genuine Mackenzie Valley Fur Program continue to fetch a higher-than-average price for harvesters in the NWT; over $79 for NWT pelts compared to the overall average of just over $69.

Mr. Speaker, while prices for marten spiked dramatically last year, those results were an exception to the norm and were fuelled, in part, by exceptional interest from the

Chinese marketplace that was not renewed to the same extent this year.

The price of individual marten pelts is down from last year. However, Mr. Speaker, it is on par with those that have been recorded for the past five years and is, in fact, up slightly from two years ago. This is important to us, Mr. Speaker, because as a government we originated the Genuine Mackenzie Valley Fur Program in 2002 for the exact circumstances we are witnessing today.

The Genuine Mackenzie Valley Fur Program provides: a guaranteed fur advance for NWT trappers while their fur is shipped for sale; a prime bonus fur those whose furs sell for more than the advance; and a grubstake payment of $5 per pelt paid to eligible trappers at the start of each fur trapping season.

It provides NWT trappers with a comprehensive fur marketing service and ensures trappers in the NWT are secure in the knowledge that they will receive a return from their efforts.

Since the program's inception, the price for marten pelts has risen sharply from about $60 per pelt Canadian to the almost $80 we are discussing today. Marten pelts account for almost 80 percent of the total value of the NWT harvest.

Finally, Mr .Speaker, and perhaps most importantly, I am pleased to report that since the introduction of the Genuine Mackenzie Valley Fur Program, the number of youth involved in the trapping industry is continuing to grow.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, this trend indicates that the trapping sector of our traditional economy is getting stronger and continues to benefit residents across the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 85-15(5): Genuine Mackenzie Valley Fur Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Ministers' statements. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Waste Of Caribou Meat

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the last number of years, I have become much more informed about caribou and hunting than I ever was prior to that time. The one issue that kept coming up that caught my attention was a discussion by Members in this House, by people everywhere I travelled in the Northwest Territories, and that's the issue of waste. Mr. Speaker, I am specifically talking of stories where animals are shot and only the back strap and hind quarters are taken. In some cases, the animals aren't even gutted.

I have heard stories of meat being labelled as diseased because they didn't want to bother carrying it back to their boat because it was too far. Stories of animals being shot and they checked the brisket by cutting the brisket to see if there is any fat and if there is no fat, the entire animal is just left and they go on to the next animal that was shot.

I have seen pictures, 120 animals shot on the Dempster Highway, bodies all dragged to the side of the road, a big pile of bodies, antlers, hooves, just thrown together, a monstrous pile, 120 at one time.

I have heard of hunters shooting into the herd; I was told rifles probably not even sighted, hoping to hit something. If nothing dropped, they carry on not checking for wounded animals.

I have heard the stories of people being able to go out on Gordon Lake afterwards just to walk around and harvest all the tongues and all the other parts that have been left behind, the front shoulders, the ribs, because they are not being picked up; of animals being shot far in capacity to take them out of the place they are being hunted.

Mr. Speaker, as we talk about the value of these animals and the precious gift that they are, clearly one of the things we have to keep in mind is that we can't forget that point. As we talk about the caribou numbers and what's happening to the animals, we can't afford to waste what is really and truly a precious resource. Thank you.

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Waste Of Caribou Meat

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Decisive Action Required To Protect Caribou

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in late January of this year, more than 150 harvesters, biologists, regulatory officials and elected leaders met in Inuvik to tackle the critical issue of a declining caribou herds. Those three days of discussions were preceded by a similar meeting in Yellowknife a month earlier, and since then by other meetings among industry and community groups. The strong show of participation in Inuvik, the respectful and businesslike tone and the debates and the wide range of consensus delivers a crystal clear message, Mr. Speaker, that northerners are united on the need and the urgency to take decisive action to protect the caribou.

Delegates at the Inuvik summit delivered more than 20 recommendations on what to do. These ranged from reductions in harvesting to the need for more training, awareness of responsible harvesting practices, to comprehensive monitoring and reporting of harvest levels. That's just a few of the consensus points they delivered.

Later this week, Mr. Speaker, there will be yet one more critical set of meetings when the Wekeezhii Renewable Resources Board holds its hearing into the issue. As the statutory resource board designated by the Tlicho settlement, I am confident that their findings will present further good direction on what should be done. Now, Mr. Speaker, the duty and the responsibility to translate all these recommendations into concrete actions falls on this government. We are the agency with the mandate, resources and the authority to take action.

Mr. Speaker, our government must not be timid. This Assembly needs to heed the messages sent by that unprecedented gathering in Inuvik and the recommendations yet to come from Wekeezhii. We must back them up with equal resolve and determination. We must show that we, too, will do our part as stewards of the

caribou and everything they mean to our people in the Northwest Territories, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Monfwi, Mr. Lafferty .

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Consultations With Tlicho Elders On Wildlife Management Decisions

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, when the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. McLeod, gave his Minister's statement in the House during this session, I was glad to hear him say the co-management boards established under land claims agreements have the primary responsibility for wildlife management in their settlement areas.

Mr. Speaker, before anyone starts any research, identification or monitoring on Tlicho lands,

chapter 12 of the Tlicho Agreement specifically states that proposals have to be submitted by the Wekeezhii Renewable Resources Board for their review before any activity happens on the land. Mr. Speaker, government should also be talking to Tlicho elders before any major decisions are made.

Environment and Natural Resources should be talking to the elders, not just the wildlife biologists, before they come onto our land to monitor caribou herds. Mr. Speaker, traditional knowledge is respecting Tlicho. Any decision made without consulting the elders will not be respected by us as the Tlicho Government. Mr. Speaker, specifically, the elders need to be consulted about the wolves and the increase in population in our region.

I have stood here before this House and talked about the people in the Tlicho communities and their concern about how close the predators are coming to them and how they are concerned for their children's safety. Mr. Speaker, we are worried that it is only a matter of time that the wolves start attacking our children.

Mr. Speaker, I must stress again the need for ENR to work more closely with the elders before any final decisions are made about the caribou and other issues such as predators before any decision is made. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nunakput , Mr. Pokiak .

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Sustainable Caribou Population Levels

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Calvin Pokiak

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Envision the caribou roaming on this vast countryside of tundra and forests. The caribou, once in large numbers, continue to migrate in search of food and eventually locate to their calving grounds to start the cycle all over again. The caribou do not understand the meaning of boundaries, because they need to continue to move from feeding place to feeding place to survive.

Mr. Speaker, the caribou have provided meat and clothing to the people of the Northwest Territories for generations and generations and they are known to survive predation and hunting. Over the past 20 years or so, with the invention of snowmobiles and aircraft, people in the Northwest Territories find it a lot easier to hunt this free-roaming species.

Mr. Speaker, recently, over the last few months, the Department of Environment and Natural Resources conducted photo census aerial surveys of the Cape Bathurst, Bluenose West, Bluenose East, Tuk Peninsula, Porcupine and Bathurst herds, and much to ENR's co-management board's surprise, to find the numbers in these herds declining. Why? There are many reasons that can relate to the decline of the herds. A few examples are predation by wolves, bears and over hunting by the people of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, in response to the surveys, the Department of ENR held community hearings with the local hunters and trappers committees along the Beaufort and Mackenzie Valley to discuss the numbers. The department of ENR and some of the co-management boards agreed that something had to be done to address the decline of the herds. Mr. Speaker, we, as legislators, but more specifically the Minister of ENR , must continue to work with the co-management boards to make sure the caribou will be around for generations to come. We owe it to our children and their children.

Mr. Speaker, I will not put the blame on anyone, but I will continue to support the decision of the Minister in ensuring the caribou numbers increase to a level where they are sustainable. My continued support for the Minister's decision is dependent on whether the department does a thorough consultation process with the Behchoko Management Board established under the respective land claim agreement. Those groups without a land claim will need to take care of their interests. In closing, Mr.

Speaker, the Minister has taken a precautionary step to address the concerns of the caribou herds that we must continue to do more for the benefit of all Northwest Territories residents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Pokiak . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Long-term Impacts Of Caribou Management Decisions

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for generations, caribou have taken care of the aboriginal people of the Northwest Territories. They fed us, clothed us, and provided tools for us. Mr. Speaker, we have been told lately that the numbers are declining and now it is our turn to look after the future of the caribou. Aboriginal governments and the co-management boards recognize that there may be a problem and want to do what they can to ensure the survival of the caribou for future generations.

Mr. Speaker, caribou are a way of life for the aboriginal people. They always have been. We have to do now what is best for the survival of the caribou. Let us not wait until the herds are depleted to the point of where they cannot recover.

Mr. Speaker, there is a story I always like to tell. I ran into an elder while I was driving on the Dempster Highway. This is a guy who has been around for years. He has hunted caribou for years. He is driving up and down the highway picking up piles of guts from the side of the road. I asked him why he was doing that. He said we tell people that we can govern ourselves, but yet we leave garbage on the side of the road. That wasn't sending a very good message to people. So he took it upon himself to pick up these piles of guts and go throw them away, because that is how much he didn't want people to think badly of his people.

Mr. Speaker, sadly, this elder is now gone but I think a lot of us here are getting close to being elders; some closer than others. It is now our turn to carry his message forward and do what we can to teach the future generations to respect the caribou. My grandson is nine months old, Mr.

Speaker, and I want to come to a point as he gets older to be able to enjoy the benefits of the caribou like we all have and not just have it a story in history that his grandpa tells him when the caribou were plentiful and roaming the Northwest Territories and we didn't do what we could to manage these caribou and sadly, grandson, there are no caribou left for you. We have to go to Northern and buy pork chops or beef from Alberta. We don't want that day to come, Mr. Speaker.

We are in a position, along with the rest of the leadership of the Northwest Territories, that we can do something about it and leave something for the future generations and not deplete it today. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members' statements. The honourable Member for the Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Incorporating Traditional Knowledge In Caribou Management

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is one thing that binds the people of the Sahtu more strongly than the land and the culture and it is the caribou. Mr. Speaker, our region has over 70 licensed tourism establishments, including outfitters, outpost camps, catering to the outdoor tourists as well as big game outfitters and sports fishermen. They are welcome to our region, Mr. Speaker, but they need to respect the land they operate. It is our land and not theirs. I talked about some of the stories. I talked to one young guide who worked in the Mackenzie Mountains. I asked him, do you guys shoot sheep?

He said yes. Do you guys skin the sheep also for the people? He said yes. I said how do you skin the sheep? He was telling me. I said, don't you know the traditional knowledge and what our people have been telling is that when you shoot a sheep, you cannot skin it where you shot it. You have to pack it a mile or two away, then you have to skin it. But there is a certain way you have to skin this animal because it is a precious animal to us. It is a gift to us. So traditional laws like that, we are losing them fast in the mountains.

Mr. Speaker, that meat from the various animals we shoot in the mountains gets distributed to people in the Sahtu communities and older people that want this meat. The delicacy sometimes is not brought into the communities. Some of the meat is sometimes not distributed fast enough. It is old. Sometimes the meat is full of sand on it. Sometimes the meat is spoiled. People sometimes don't understand why this is happening, that people in the North in my country here are wondering why certain parts of their skills are not being used by the outfitters. Mr. Speaker, Mr.

Pokiak from Nunakput talked about our land here in terms of our land claim agreements, in terms of an agreement that should be respected. I, for one, support the Sahtu Renewable Resources Board in terms of their decision on this issue here with caribou.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to say that one day I hope we will see our free-roaming caribou and that we don't have to walk into a Legislative Assembly and see an animal in our foyer that is stuffed and that is the only thing that we can see and are the results of our caribou in the future. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Value-added Opportunities For Caribou Products

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today we are having a theme day on the value of the natural resource of caribou in our territory. Like most wildlife species, there are many factors that affect the populations in nature. Their numbers rise and fall in historical cyclic patterns. Whether in times of plenty or in times of decline, it is always in season to consider treating this precious resource with respect. For many generations, the caribou have been a source of food and hides for garments.

In this day and age, I think it would still be respectful to think of every way possible that value could be derived from these creatures. When hunted for meat, many hides and racks of antlers are left with the animals that are hunted. Fewer and fewer people are willing or have the knowledge to process the hides with traditional tanning methods.

I know that caribou are a way of life for aboriginal people. We don't have to visit very many homes in the small community and you will see caribou ribs on the stove boiling and you will see caribou slabs drying and hanging on racks in the kitchen drying for dry meat. But, Mr. Speaker, I think it is time to consider some value-added aspects of the caribou, including value to hunters for the hides that could be traditionally or commercially tanned. Hides can be processed with hair on or hair off. There are many uses for such hides.

In the past, the government conducted a pilot project associated with the muskox harvest that saw value realized from the hair made into beautiful garments, commercially processing the hides which produced unique material for garments and furniture upholstery. Why not the same available for caribou hides so that harvesters can have their hunting costs offset through the value of the hides? There would also be economy created in the commercial tanning process. Caribou hair is also dyed or left natural for tufting in works of art such as that we see decorating birch bark baskets, garments and framed art.

Then there are the beautiful items created by the antlers either left in their natural state or sawn up to make all types of jewellery and accessories.

I believe this government has a role to play in organizing and creating opportunities for the many value-added opportunities that would create an incentive for every and

all parts of the caribou to be used. To do less is to waste this valuable resource and what it has to offer and to deprive those involved in the harvest for realizing as much economic value from these creatures as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Responsibility Of Individuals For Caribou Management Decisions

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today, too, I would also like to use my Member's statement to talk about our caribou and the crisis that the caribou are in. Caribou, Mr. Speaker, is our most important renewable resource here in the NWT, second only to the people of the NWT whose survival is directly attributable to our caribou and our other wildlife.

Although there are issues that are before the courts that we cannot discuss here in the House which are directly related to this caribou crisis and the recommendations for recovery of our herds by this government, I feel that it is now time to send a strong message out to the public that each individual's actions to address the declining numbers is a first step towards a full recovery of our herds' numbers.

Mr. Speaker, the coffee shop talk-of-the-day is either about climate change, energy conservation or caribou hunting. I hear about people going out and getting caribou. Being an avid hunter myself, I am never hesitant to ask how many caribou that were successfully hunted. Many people will be glad to tell you just how many they harvested over the hunt that they went out on and what they did with the meat. This is all good information for everybody in the coffee shop because now everybody will know who to go to visit to get some caribou meat. By letting people in the coffee shop know how many you harvested, Mr.

Speaker, it is just no longer considered coffee shop talk. This is really very important and vital information on our caribou survival. We all have to show our support for our caribou by being more diligent and informative as to how many caribou were actually taken by informing our local wildlife officers after each successful hunt.

With more and better details on exactly how many caribou are actually being harvested by all northerners, aboriginal and non-aboriginal, we can all be confident that any future management actions that may restrict or place certain conditions on sectors of our society from exercising their historical harvesting practices are the right decisions and that we should, and will, stand behind these actions without resolve or reservation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Federal Funding For Public Transit System

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I will be talking about an urgent matter for the City of Yellowknife. I want to discuss the federal funding for the public transit system, or what I should be calling the stalled federal funding transit initiative that was promised by the federal government to the City of Yellowknife. It is about time that the Minister of MACA remembers that he works for big communities and small communities equally. The federal government has recognized how important a strong and sustainable public transit system is and they have, to their credit, even introduced a tax deduction that highlights that. So where is the City of Yellowknife's transit money?

I have addressed this issue in previous Member's statements with no answers, although I continue to be very hopeful. I am concerned about the federal transit funding promised to the City of Yellowknife, Mr. Speaker. In addition to the funding available under the New Deal for cities and communities, the federal government was going to make over $1 million available for existing NWT public transit systems, Mr. Speaker. As we all know, this money has been available for some time and still the City of Yellowknife has not received a dime or even a bus token on this matter.

An initial announcement was made on June 1, 2005, which further underscores how this issue has been stalled by the Minister of MACA . Further, Mr. Speaker, B.C. and Ontario have been spending their money since September 2005, and still we have no idea of where this money is and what the Minister is planning to do with it. This money can improve our transit ridership in Yellowknife and decrease our greenhouse gas emissions by encouraging more people to use public transit.

Yellowknife is a growing city. Our economy depends on a good transit system, Mr. Speaker. I would like to see some support from our MACA Minister to deliver on that money. Mr. Speaker, if you want to encourage people to ride the bus, you need to have buses. If you want buses, you need the money that was promised to get them on the street. So, Mr. Speaker, I have to remind the Minister; what is he doing? Is he re-engineering the definition that promised the City of Yellowknife transit money, or what is he doing? I don't know. Mr.

Speaker, in closing, I will have questions for the Minister of MACA yet again, who is supposed to represent big and small communities equally. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Stanton Territorial Hospital Deficit

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1429

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to speak today about Stanton Territorial Hospital. I want to address the deficit that is facing this hospital. As well, I want to clarify an item I mentioned on Friday during discussions on the supplementary appropriation act.

Mr. Speaker, I want to state, for the record, that on Friday I did mention that the Department of Health and Social Services had not informed the House that Stanton Hospital's deficit for 2005-06 was $5.8 million. Mr. Speaker, upon further review, this information was in fact contained in the public accounts for 2005-06. The fact of the matter is, Mr. Speaker, the flagship of our health care system, Stanton Territorial Hospital, is awash in $13 million of red ink: $5.8 million in 2005-06 and another $7 million in 2006-07. On Friday, through the supplementary

appropriation, $2.9 million, or half of the deficit for 2005-06, was approved. That leaves us now in a $10 million dilemma. There is little doubt that the hospital has been chronically underfunded for the past four years. Many issues have been raised in the House in the areas of staffing, morale, cleanliness and laundry services. The Minister has an obligation to plan to address this deficit through working with Regular Members on the Standing Committee on Social Programs. It would appear that Stanton has been underfunded and denied its request for proper funding and, Mr. Speaker, it is little wonder why there are morale issues and staffing concerns at this hospital.

Mr. Speaker, I thank the Minister for disclosing the fact that, this year, the deficit is close to $7 million at Stanton. I appreciate his honesty. However, we need to come up with a plan to fund that hospital more effectively. Requests for funding coming from the hospital have to be acted on in a manner that is more becoming of the essential service that it provides to this territory. The fear I have, Mr. Speaker, and all Members of this House should have, is that the department may now be looking at imposing a deficit recovery plan at Stanton. Mr.

Speaker, this would come after years of chronic underfunding and this action would cause untold duress to this hospital. We need a recovery plan that includes increased funding for the future. We also need to be talking about ways in which we can make this the best hospital that we can. Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Traditional Activities At William Mcdonald School

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in keeping with today's theme of learning about and respecting the traditional way of life and preserving our wildlife, I would like to take this opportunity to speak about some very interesting and exciting activities William McDonald School is involved in, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday morning, twelve Grade 8 students and five teachers, led by Mr. Radcliffe, set off on a five-day dog mushing trip to Behchoko and back. They will be travelling with five dog teams under the supervision of the world-renowned expert dog musher, our very own Grant Beck.

---Applause

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

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Traditional Activities At William Mcdonald School

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

This is the first time such an endeavour has been undertaken by any school in Yellowknife. They stopped in Enodah last night. With the technology of satellite, we were able to track them down there. They lodged at Trout Rock. Today, as we speak, they are taking their turns mushing the dog teams toward Behchoko. Tonight they will be staying with Moise and Joyce Rabesca. Mr. Speaker, they won't be stopping at comfortable lodges all the way. They will be camping and learning how to survive in the cold for the last three days.

They will also be stopping at Blackduck Lake and meet and learn from Eddie Rabesca who will teach them traditional knowledge including how he sets the nets and all the other things that go on in the bush.

Mr. Speaker, there is another team of William McDonald students travelling by skidoo to another area around the city to learn about traditional and outdoor living, under the direction of Mr. Jeff Seabrook.

Mr. Speaker, we are very proud of the excellent academic work our students do in our schools, but they do a lot more. Some of the William McDonald students have spent a lot of time Paging with us during this long session as well. Mr. Speaker, I know that the students and teachers involved in this dog mushing trip spent countless hours planning, raising money and organizing. This would not have happened without the leadership of principal Dean MacInnis and generous involvement by Grant Beck and his beautiful dogs. A lot of businesses and parents contributed to make this happen.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank each and every one of them and to encourage everyone involved to have this as a regular event in their school curriculum. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Members' statements. Returns to oral questions. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize my wife, Judy.

---Applause

I would also like to recognize my new CA, Ms. Billie Lennie. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a special guest in the gallery. Mr. Andrew Chatwood is a former Member of Parliament for the riding that used to be called Grand Falls-White Bay, Labrador, which included an eastern island of Newfoundland, all of Labrador and the southern tip of the Northwest Territories that is now part of Nunavut. He would like to be recognized more as the grandfather of one of our Pages from William McDonald School, Sandra Chatwood. He is also the father-in-law of someone well known to us all, Dr. Ewin Affleck. He is up there with his daughter, Susan Chatwood-Affleck. I would like to welcome them to the House.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a member of the Fort Resolution Seniors' Society, the president of the Native Women's Association of the NWT, my mother, Ms. Terry Villeneuve. Welcome.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. If we missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to the gallery. It's always nice to have an audience here. I hope you're enjoying the proceedings. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 473-15(5): Mackenzie Mountain Outfitters

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said in my Member's statement, our region has over 70 licensed tours and establishments, including outfitters, outpost camps that cater to the outdoor tourist, as well as big game outfitters and sports fishermen. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister of ITI if he is aware of how many aboriginal people are employed by outfitters in the Mackenzie Mountain region. Thank you.

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Question 473-15(5): Mackenzie Mountain Outfitters

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't have the exact number at my fingertips here, but I would say unfortunately not many; not enough. We believe that if we're going to be serious about economic diversification, tourism holds out a lot of potential. But it will only work if we effectively involve local people, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Member's statement, talking about traditional knowledge and how important it is that we adhere to that and understand that. I think we can only do that with the involvement of local people, obviously. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'll ask the Minister of ITI , is his department keeping stats on the numbers of people hired in the Mackenzie Mountain region? Is his department keeping stats? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Yes, Mr. Speaker. Between my department and the Department of ENR, we can get that information. I don't have it in front of me. We work through our regional offices, we work with the tourism operators, and we do collect that kind of information. I can certainly provide that for the Member and will commit to do so. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I look forward to the information the Minister is going to provide to me. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister, has his department or his people in our region heard about any types of complaints in terms of the conditions of the meat that is brought into our communities and when those meats are brought in and how they're looked after? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, yes, anecdotally I can tell you that the last time I was in the region I did talk to our regional staff. They raised a number of these concerns that had been brought forward to them. We will sit down with our regional staff, we'll sit down with our tourism outfitters and make sure that they understand the requirements and understand how they can...I mean it may just be a matter of informing people properly, Mr. Speaker. We're certainly prepared to do that and that is a good role for government to play. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I ask the Minister of ITI , can he update the Tourism Act that can sort out some of these things that we're talking about today and maybe some of the concerns that we have from our region in terms of the Tourism Act? Can the Minister provide me an update as to that act? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Members know, the Tourism Act has been passed, the regs are in development, and it will help to speak to a number of these issues as we move forward. Obviously a renewed commitment to consultation with land claimant organizations, if somebody's proposing a new tourism development they're very much going to have to do so with the support and with the cooperation and collaboration of the land claimant organizations of the region, which makes absolute sense, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Question 474-15(5): Student Financial Assistance Residency Requirements

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1431

Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment just about the student financial assistance policies and procedures. Mr. Speaker, I have received some inquiries from constituents of mine whose kids have been residents of the NWT pretty much most of their lives, have gone to school here pretty much 11 of the

12 years that they did go to school. They chose to go out of province to complete their high school because of peer pressure, because of social pressures that they were receiving, and they actually did go down and graduate. These people have graduated, they have applied for university and college, and they have been accepted, but they've been rejected by our student financial assistance because they have not resided continuously for the past 12 months in the NWT. That's in the policy here, Mr. Speaker, that would make you eligible for 12 continuous months before start of program.

I want to know what the Department of Education can do for these students who are ordinarily residents of the NWT, but chose to live the last 12 months, complete their high school, enrol in post-secondary education, but be refused student financial assistance. How can we help those students, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Question 474-15(5): Student Financial Assistance Residency Requirements

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . The honourable Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have agreements with jurisdictions across Canada. All jurisdictions have a similar rule so that if somebody is ordinarily a resident in that jurisdiction, then student financial assistance from that province or territory would assist them. So for instance, if somebody spent 12 months in Alberta they would qualify for student financial assistance from the Province of Alberta and, conversely, we would provide student financial assistance for somebody who has resided in the Northwest Territories for 12 months. Thank you.

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The level of assistance, I guess, is another issue that we can talk about at a different time, but even though you are only a resident of Alberta for 12 months you are not entitled to as much student financial assistance as what you would be entitled to here in the NWT should you have been a resident here.

I just want to know if we are going to get more and more students, with the better transportation mode, better able to move people around, students around in the NWT, there's going to be more students that will be going to private schools down in the South to finish off their high school diplomas, and I think the numbers are going to be going up because people are going to be seeing some success in that. These people want to come back to the NWT, move back to their communities and work for their people here in the NWT.

How can our student financial assistance ensure that these students won't be struggling down in some place where they don't have any programs or eligibility requirements, if there's nothing like that? How can we help them from the NWT standpoint, Mr. Speaker?

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said, all the programs across Canada are designed to work together so that each jurisdiction has agreed that we will support people who have lived in our jurisdiction for 12 months. Otherwise people could be moving across or around the country to take advantage of programs where one jurisdiction might provide better support than another does. As the Member has pointed out, our levels of support are very high and what we're concentrating on is making sure that we have good high schools so that people don't have to leave the Northwest Territories.

We're making sure -- and we're seeing it in our graduation rate -- that we have competent education facilities and we're seeing a higher level of graduation. Thank you.

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Nobody's arguing the graduation rates and that's great. I know I even have some of my nephews have gone down south to private schools also just because of their social structure and it helps them to complete their high school and stuff. I just want to know what a simple adjustment here in the policy and procedures manuals would entail here. You know, to be considered. It says ordinarily a resident here in the NWT.

I just want to know if they could just change it to something like ordinarily a resident, which is what these students are because they do come back in the summers and they're going to come back here and work every summer while they're in college. So can we tweak this eligibility requirement that would umbrella, I guess, all these other students that are down south? Can we do something like that, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The rules of the program have been set up. As I said, we work with other jurisdictions to try and make sure that people can't just take advantage of the higher rates of support that we offer in comparison to other jurisdictions. So every jurisdiction has agreed that if somebody is in their jurisdiction for a year that they'll provide student financial assistance. That's a typical rule across the Territories.

We don't want to be in a situation where somebody who may have lived in the Northwest Territories for a period of time and has left with their family automatically qualifies for student financial assistance. We couldn't afford a program that would allow everybody in. That's why we looked for a way that we could limit the program and keep its cost affordable while making sure that we have the best levels of support out there. Thank you.

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't know. I'm not talking about a whole bunch of people here, Mr. Speaker. Our student financial assistance programs do provide support to about 1,500 students from the NWT. I'm just wondering, you know, if there's a student who we know whose family is definitely living here in the NWT, they've been here for generations and they don't plan on going anywhere, but they have a student down south who's attended, finished their Grade 12, graduated.

Maybe they might not have graduated here in the NWT, but they did succeed in graduating and they're trying to get into college now, but they just don't have the financial backing that they would like here that they could receive here in the NWT. Is there any kind of alternative program here in the student financial assistance portfolio that would be able to top up, like the Minister likes to refer to, top up their out-of-province student financial assistance to NWT levels? Thank you.

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Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For post-secondary education, the Student Financial Assistance Program is targeted entirely at NWT residents. In looking at how the program was drawn up, we think that's the fairest way to limit it. We have a good school system, Mr. Speaker, and we're proud of it and we would like to see more people making sure that they stay here and take advantage of that school system. Thank you.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we've been hearing for a while that there may be a decline in the caribou numbers and I'd like to ask the Minister of ENR if the aboriginal governments and the co-management boards, the HTAs, have acknowledged the fact that the numbers may be declining? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have to be careful how I respond to the question. I can say very safely that we have been talking to the co-management boards and we have been working together with all the boards, including a lot of the communities. We've had information sharing sessions in most of the communities in the Tlicho area and the Yellowknife area, and also other areas across the Territories. Things have been progressing. Thank you.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask the Minister if these boards and aboriginal governments have come forward to ENR with a plan to do their

part in preserving the numbers? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we've worked very closely with the co-management board in the Member's region. There are a number of initiatives that have come forward. We've agreed to work on different areas, including increasing monitoring and also check stations and trying to get a handle on the types of harvesting that's going on. So there are a number of initiatives that are out there. Some of it is voluntary, some of it is still in discussion stages, but things are being shared with co-management boards and they are making decisions in the Member's riding. Thank you.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask the Minister, many of the land claimant groups have clauses in their agreements as to the harvesting of caribou. I'd like to ask the Minister if those agreements take precedence over any legislation that we may introduce? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the management agreements or the land claim agreements are protected by federal legislation, and we certainly honour those agreements and we follow what's outlined in those agreements and have been with the co-management groups. Thank you.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister, if caribou were to reach a very critical point or point of no return, who would have the authority to ban the harvesting of caribou? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There's a couple of ways it can be done. First of all, it can

be a decision made by the co-management group. There is also still authority within the government to make some of those decisions. The federal government has also some jurisdictions where if the herd became close to extinction, that they could make some decisions also. So there's a number of different ways that it could be handled, but for the most part we plan to work with the co-management group and the federal government so together we can make those informed decisions. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment with regard to my Member's statement. I asked questions about the viability of realizing some economic value from the hides and the antlers that are often left at the site where these caribou are hunted and killed. I made reference to a muskox project where there was a commercial harvesting of muskox and the hair, the hides, and the meat were all harvested. I'd like to ask the Minister if his department has even given consideration to a processing opportunity here in the Northwest Territories that would see caribou hides processed on a commercial basis? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That's a very good question and it's not one I have, unfortunately, an answer to right now. I'll certainly talk with the department to go back and we can look historically at whether or not there have been any undertakings in that respect. I do know, and I'm glad the Member pointed it out, the muskox harvest, I think that's a very good example of where we've been able to work together with the Inuvialuit to create some opportunities. We've all seen the results of that muskox hair, the quiviq in the garments that are made.

That's something that we're very proud of in the Northwest Territories and I think is a very good example of something that we should try to emulate in other areas if we can. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in stores and in various kinds of outlets you can buy deer hide that's commercially tanned. I'd like to suggest that deer aren't much smaller than a caribou, so if you can buy deer hide you should be able to buy caribou hide. When I was in Alaska recently also, they had commercially tanned reindeer hides with the fur still on; a beautiful looking thing that could be put on the back of a sofa or used as a bedside mat.

I would like to ask the Minister if a proponent came forward with a proposal to process caribou hides in all different manners here in the Northwest Territories, would there be assistance or funding available to undertake such a venture? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, that's certainly something that I think we would sit down and consider and talk about. We do have a BDF

schedule that seeks to provide raw materials for those who are interested in arts and crafts so that they can purchase caribou hides, but I think to take the Member's point, if there aren't any hides to purchase, that is certainly of not much help. So it's something that we'd be prepared to talk about. I do understand that sometimes the caribou hides come in in not the greatest condition. That's something that we'd have to talk about. But if there's an opportunity and if we've got a proponent interested and they'd like to come forward with a submission, certainly it's something that we would take seriously.

I agree with the Member that it is a shame to waste any part of the animal, and where there are value-added opportunities, we want to pursue them. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as time goes on there are less and less people in the Northwest Territories; it's a bit of a dying art, the traditional tanning of caribou hides. It's something extremely labour intensive and it's also something that not a lot of people know how to do anymore. Under the program whereby harvesters bring furs to the Northwest Territories which then go to auction in southern Canada, there's a lot of support for that.

Is there any chance that caribou hides could be treated in a similar manner if we don't have a processing facility here right away, something that might be implemented in a more timely basis would be to collect these hides from harvesters and actually have them processed at a southern operation for now? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, thank you. It's an interesting proposal and something that we could talk about. I'm not aware that there is caribou hide currently auctioned in the same way that we have these other hides, Mr. Speaker. But if there's a way that we can get this done, if there's a way that we can provide more raw materials for our arts and crafts sector, it is something that we are looking to give a boost to, so it's something that we would want to sit down and discuss the practicality of. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wasn't so much thinking about sending the caribou hides out to auction. I was more thinking sending to a central place where they could be processed, where they could be commercially tanned and then returned to the Northwest Territories. That might, as an incentive, require the government to set up some kind of a deposit where if hunters bring them in they get a certain amount of money, at least as an incentive and then perhaps some share of a future pot of money once the hides have been commercially tanned. I was thinking more of that kind of support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I take the Member's point. We've already established the policy line. We do support harvesters in this regard with the prime for a bonus, with the grub stake. It's certainly something that if we could expand it to other areas, such as the one the Member is proposing, I think it's something that has some merit and something that I'd certainly like to talk about. Thank you.

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Question 477-15(5): Jurisdiction Of Wildlife Co-management Boards

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this afternoon are for the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . I'm following up a bit, I think, on the questions of my colleague from Inuvik Twin Lakes on the jurisdiction that we now have or share with the co-management boards in land claims settlement areas, Mr. Speaker. One that I'd appreciate some clarification on is the jurisdiction of these co-management boards related to the jurisdiction and responsibility that the Minister has. Just to give this a little bit more definition, Mr.

Speaker, do the co-management boards, for instance, have jurisdiction or authority in areas such as enforcement or licensing or setting fees? This is the kind of thing that I'm wondering about: the powers of the Minister compared to those of these co-management boards, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I'm not prepared to respond to that question. That is an issue that's being challenged in the courts right now. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, thank you. When someone has a concern or an issue related to wildlife management, where do they go to get answers? To the GNWT, to the Minister's department, or to the relevant co-management board?

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm still the Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources and if it's a day-to-day issue around wildlife and natural resources, they would come to our department, Mr. Speaker. The board itself would be making decisions overall on other issues, but the day-to-day information and the requirements for information would come to us. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Braden , supplementary. Thank you, Mr. Braden . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 478-15(5): Protection Of Caribou Calving Grounds

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources with regard to one of the main recommendations of the Inuvik Caribou Summit and it has to do with the protection of the calving grounds. The Premier indicated he talked to Premier Okalik, and I just wanted to ask the Minister whether he'd had an opportunity to call his counterpart in Nunavut yet to discuss this issue. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we've been in contact with the two jurisdictions, Nunavut and Saskatchewan, and received support to do some work this summer on calving grounds. We are requesting to have a sit down discussion with the people from both those jurisdictions to talk about other initiatives we can do together. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate what steps he envisions, or his department has laid out, as part of the work plan to actually move this process forward formally so that there's a discussion paper or whatever's required next to advance this very critical issue? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We are working with the different jurisdictions. We'd like to, first of all, make a contract and have the support to put together a plan that will allow us to monitor and also identify the different calving grounds. We're also looking at this as part of possibly an initiative through the International Polar Year, where there is some desire to look at all the calving grounds across North America. So there are a number of different ways we're looking at this, but the first step would be to sit down with the different jurisdictions and start putting the next steps together so that we're all on the same page on this. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the Northwest Territories we, of course, have the two calving grounds of our own, one of which is partially protected. Could the Minister indicate what steps he's taking internally which should be somewhat easier for us to be able to advance the protection of our own calving grounds, as well, so that we'll not only be asking other jurisdictions but we are getting our own house in order? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, that's something that we're looking at as part of our proposal, so I can't comment on that.

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I didn't quite catch the last part of the Minister's answer, but I'm assuming he said he can't talk about it for some reason. Could the Minister tell us why we can talk about calving grounds in Nunavut but not in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is asking specific questions about reduction and protection for calving grounds in what is part of our proposal. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 479-15(5): Federal Funding For Public Transit Systems

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I highlighted in my Member's statement, that if this government is serious about reducing greenhouse gas emissions, a well-functioning public transit system in its largest community should be the cornerstone of a conservation plan. A year ago I asked the Minister where is Yellowknife's transit money and he said, well, we're being held up from signing some type of deal because there were an agreement and there was some discussions going on. Well, Mr.

Speaker, I'd like to ask the Minister today what is the status of these discussions because, as I understand it, the City of Yellowknife still has not received a single dime on this issue as of yet. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member keeps referring to the public transit funding as Yellowkni