Debates of Feb. 13th, 1998

This is page numbers 773 - 799 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Valentine's Greetings

Funding Sources For Educational Programs

The High Cost Of Food In Isolated Communities

Valentine's Greetings

Valentine's Greetings

Valentine's Greetings

Valentine's Greetings

Sahtu Health Services Concerns

Valentine's Greetings

Deninoo Health And Social Services Board

The Need For A Yellowknife Mining Museum

Recruitment Of Nursing Staff Difficulties

Reflections On Valentine's Day

Valentine's Greetings

Thoughts And Shots

Rationale For Posing Questions

Return To Oral Question 231-13(5): Broughton Island Airport Garage

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Food Prices In The Nwt

Broughton Island Airport Terminal Replacement

Maintenance Of Arctic Bay - Nanisivik Road

Distribution Of Pay Equity Settlement

Outstanding Information Requests

Support For Community Empowerment

Interest Relief For Business Credit Corporation Loans

Freight Subsidy For Enfalac

Selection Of Keewatin Health Board Chair

Tuktoyaktuk Wildlife Officer

Northwestel Rate Increase

Aurora Fund Status

Communicating Reductions To Health Boards

Impact Of Freight Cost Increases

Evaluation Of Education Authorities

Alternatives To Lahm Ridge Lease

Offer To Purchase The Laing Building

Tabled Document 47-13(5): Letter From Taloyoak Adult Training Program Students Regarding The Students Trip To The Legislative Assembly

Tabled Document 48-13(5): Correspondence To Sahtu Chiefs Regarding Sahtu Residents' Access To Health Services

Bill 11: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1997-98

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Levi Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 234-13(5): Valentine's Greetings

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good Morning. Mr. Speaker, tomorrow is Valentine's Day. I would like to wish my wife a happy Valentine's Day in Clyde River and also my friends Tim Evic and his family in Pangnirtung. Also Joanasie Maniapik, Levi Kulualik, Joanasie Qarpik, Sailoa Metuk, Philip Sangooya and family, Lootie Toomasie and family and Jassie Kuniliusie, happy Valentine's. Have a good day. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 235-13(5): Funding Sources For Educational Programs

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment threw in a challenge to the Ordinary Members to identify where money could be located in the budget in order to direct more of our resources to the area of education. It was interesting to me that the only suggestion or example that the Minister could come up with on the spur of the moment was cutting the meagre money paid to assist seniors with the cost of living in their own homes.

The format of our budget is such that the main estimates do not provide a very useful tool in identifying areas where this government wastes money. Yes, Mr. Speaker, the government has had to make cuts and this has impacted almost everyone. Does this government waste money? I question the value of things like a $750,000 Med-Emerg report. I continue to question the value of a $223,000 report on POL privatization. I question the indeterminate and 20-year inflated leases on unoccupied housing units in our communities.

I question trips abroad for groups which no report, cost benefit achievement or findings ever get tabled in this House after the fact. I question the prolific use of RFPs for procuring goods and services for which we will never know how much we may have overpaid. I know one group who knows how much money this government wastes and that is our constituents. The phone number here is 1-800-661-0784. Phone and have your MLA raise these issues in this House. We will bring them to the attention of Mr.

Dent so that he can use a better example the next time he asks Ordinary Members where he can get more money for the education of our children. Mr. Speaker, on this the anniversary of the death of my father, I wish to wish all seniors of the Northwest Territories happy Valentine's Day.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 236-13(5): The High Cost Of Food In Isolated Communities

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, I raise concern about the price of food in the High Arctic communities. This has been a continuing problem for northern residents living in isolated areas where supplies must be flown into the communities. Mr. Speaker, I would like to use enfalac as an example. Enfalac is a very important part of the diet for many; they need it in order to grow strong and healthy. In Igloolik, the price of a 400 grams can of powdered enfalac is $17.22. The lowest cost of Enfalac in a remote northern community is in Arviat and that cost is $12.95.

However, in Yellowknife, the same 400 grams can is a mere $6.12. The cost in remote communities is more than double the price.

High prices in the Arctic are not a new problem. I raised this issue on February 10, 1997 but still have not received a response from the Premier . The government must realize this is a problem. It was recently announced that it would adjust the food allowance rates within the Income Support Program, but this does nothing to ease the hardship faced by people who are not on this program and are struggling. As I stated in my Member's statement last year, for residents trying to live a traditional Inuit lifestyle, this is quite difficult because prices of food in the NWT increase frequently. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to complete my statement. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 236-13(5): The High Cost Of Food In Isolated Communities

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member from Amittuq is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have

any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Evaloarjuk , you have unanimous consent to conclude your statement. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 236-13(5): The High Cost Of Food In Isolated Communities

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I looked into some of the prices the Baffin and in the Keewatin and some prices from the Natilikmiot area. I will be noting how much the prices are in those regions. This is to show what the prices are in the communities.

Prices of Powdered Enfalac (400g) Prices do not include GST

Community

Northern Store

Co-op

Arctic Bay

$12.99

$13.99

Arviat

$12.95

$12.95

Cambridge Bay

$15.39

$15.39

Clyde River

$16.29

Grise Fiord

$14.99

Hall Beach

$15.95

Igloolik

$17.22

$17.22

Kimmirt

$16.89

Pangnirtung

$16.64

$15.59

Pelly Bay

$14.99

Pond Inlet

$11.69

$11.99

Rankin Inlet

$13.92

$13.00

Repulse Bay

$16.59

$18.04

Resolute Bay

$12.95

Sanikiluaq

Yellowknife

Extra Foods

$6.12

Those are the rates I looked into. I am talking about this because I think it is important that we know this issue. Mr. Speaker, I will be directing my question on this matter to the Premier later on today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 237-13(5): Valentine's Greetings

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, tomorrow is a special day for all of us and for the ones we love. I would like to just take a moment from the business of the House to extend my best wishes and Valentine greetings to my wife, my daughter and my granddaughter and, of course, my mother. As well as, to my constituents and the loved ones of my colleagues here in the House today and the staff, as well. I would also like to send a reminder to all the men, who may be listening, do not forget that tomorrow is Valentine's Day. It is a very important day and it is much to your benefit to remember that. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I also would like to remember, tomorrow is Valentine's Day, my husband, Tom who takes care of my boys and works very hard when I am in Yellowknife. I would also like to remember my boys who are staying at home, Trevor and Buddy and, also, my parents in Coral Harbour, Mikitok Bruce and Kanayuk Bruce. I would like to thank them for their prayers and I would like to thank them for praying for the Members of the Legislative Assembly.

I wish the community of Coral Harbour a good day tomorrow and people in Chesterfield Inlet and Repulse Bay, I would like to remember them tomorrow being Valentine's Day, I will remember them in my prayers. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 239-13(5): Valentine's Greetings

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize all the elders of Arviat and Baker Lake and wish them a happy Valentine's Day. As well as, my daughter Kelsey and the two ladies in the House, Ms. Thompson and Mrs. Groenewegen , happy Valentine's Day. I would like to let my constituents know that I will be in my home constituency on Monday to meet with the Manitoba Trade Delegation. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to heed Mr. Miltenberger 's advice and send a special Valentine wish to the two women in my life. First of all I would like to send a happy Valentine to the woman who has put up with my shenanigans for many years, my mother. Of course, it started around 47 years ago when I would not wait to see the world and she was forced to give birth in a tent frame in Ndilo in a cold month of February. Mr.

Speaker, our mother has had to put up with a lot and did a lot things for me, from getting me out of bed to go to school, putting up with all mine and my brothers and sisters' endeavours, getting us ready for hockey, boxing, baseball, putting up with my teasing of my younger brothers and sisters. I would like to thank her and, of course, my dad for putting special emphasis on certain things like respect for elders, being honest, hard work, getting an education and many other things. I would also like to thank my

mother for making many fine traditional clothing for myself and my other brothers and sisters, such as slippers and this fine vest that I am wearing today.

Mr. Speaker, the other special woman in my life is my wife. I would also like to send Valentine wishes to her. She has also put up with me for many years, since shortly after high school. Through those years we have gone through lots, too many to get into here, of course, but most recently it was the building of our house. Many people told us if we could go through that without getting a divorce, we would probably be together for life. I am happy to say we are still together and we have moved in.

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, yesterday I read in the Globe and Mail an

article about the fact that men's brains shrink faster than women's and that this causes memory loss starting in their early 30s. Mr. Speaker, my wife said that in my case it probably started in my early 20s because I have forgotten many birthdays and anniversaries and Valentine's Days. This is one time I have not forgotten and I wish both my wife and my mother a very happy Valentine's Day and I wish to send the same to all the Members of this House and our staff here. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I do not know whether or not I was shouting loud enough to remind you that your time was up, but maybe it was because of Valentine's Day, I do not know. I would like to remind the Members that Mr. Erasmus had his birthday yesterday too. Is it 47 or 48 now? Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Member's Statement 241-13(5): Sahtu Health Services Concerns

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Members of this Legislature may have heard recent CBC reports. I have received a copy of a story that ran in the MacKenzie Valley Reviewer out of Norman Wells recently. This was regarding difficulties that my Sahtu constituencies are expressing about changes that have been made in the way health services are provided in the Sahtu. I rise today to dispel any thought that I, as an MLA for the Sahtu, was not paying sufficient attention to their concerns and the outrage that they are expressing.

I apologize to my constituents for the length of time that it has taken to resolve this problem. I have asked the Premier and the Minister of Health and Social Services to assist in finding a solution to the high-handed way in which the Inuvik Health Board is treating my constituents.

Mr. Speaker, without consultation with Sahtu leaders and myself as MLA, the Inuvik Health Board recently overturned a Cabinet directive which was effective April 1, 1995. This directive was communicated in writing by the Premier of the day, to each community leader. The leaders since then, were confident the government would stand by its word, particularly since they had in it writing. This is the reason, Mr. Speaker, why they are so upset and disturbed.

Mr. Speaker, the Cabinet directive says the following:

1. All residents of Fort Norman, now Tulita, Norman Wells and Deline will be required to obtain medevac, hospital and medical specialists, referral services from the Stanton Hospital in Yellowknife.

2. Residents of Colville Lake and Fort Good Hope will have the choice of obtaining these services from either Inuvik or Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, a spokesman for the Inuvik Regional Health Board said today on CBC, they had made changes for medical services in the Sahtu which I say are contrary to the Cabinet directive because he says they had heard people were complaining about having to go to Yellowknife for specialist services more than once.

Since when, Mr. Speaker, do governments make arbitrary decisions in isolation of any consultation with MLAs or the communities and their leaders? Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 241-13(5): Sahtu Health Services Concerns

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Sahtu is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Kakfwi , you have unanimous consent.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, since when do governments start to make arbitrary decisions in isolation of any consultation with the MLA or the communities and the leaders involved, particularly about something so sensitive as to where and how health services are delivered? Mr. Speaker, the Sahtu has two members on the Inuvik Health Board. One member from the Sahtu resigned over this issue last fall. I have just received word this morning that the remaining representative has also resigned.

Last night, in Deline, a five-hour meeting of the community took place, and another meeting has been called for Monday, February 16, 1998. I believe that the health board has acted inappropriately and I look forward to Cabinet resolving this issue in the very near future. This will be what the Sahtu residents will be expecting, and I believe they will be receiving that. Thank you.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be speaking in Inuktitut. Tomorrow is Valentine's Day and I would like to recognize my wife, my children, my daughters, Lynn, Marie and my sons, Paingut and Robert. I also wish to acknowledge... (Translation ends)

Point of Order

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Mr. Speaker, I rise on a point of order. I believe the Member from Sahtu has referred to a Cabinet

document and used it in reference to the Inuvik Regional Health Board which I, as an Ordinary Member, do not have a copy of. I believe he is using his position to further his point as an Ordinary Member. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

On the point of order of Mr. Roland , Member for Inuvik , you do not have a point of order. However, by way of procedures or protocol, the Minister should table a document that he would be making reference to in order to quote from it. Mr. Morin , on the point of order.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Minister Kakfwi , the MLA for Sahtu, in his Member's statement and I quote: " This directive was communicated in writing by the Premier of the day to each community." Mr. Speaker, I will be pleased to get that letter and table that in this House, so all Members are able to see the same information. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

We would appreciate that. Mr. Barnabas , you will continue your Member's statement. We will start from the beginning again. Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I was saying earlier, tomorrow is Valentine's Day. I want to say, I love you to my wife and my children. My daughters, Lynn and Marie, my sons, Robert and Paingut and to the people in Igloolik, including my mother and father, sister and my older and younger brothers, as well. I also want to say, I love you to my sister in Baker Lake, your husband and your children. I also want to remember my constituent members in Resolute Bay and Grise Fiord. I wish them a very good day tomorrow. To my fellow Members here in this House, I love you because tomorrow is Valentine's Day, so I wish you well tomorrow. (Translation ends)

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Member's Statement 243-13(5): Deninoo Health And Social Services Board

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me an honour and pleasure today to recognize some very hard working individuals from Fort Resolution, the Dene community Health and Social Services Board. They are in Yellowknife to take board training. They run the health care system in Fort Resolution. They are all local people. They are all very committed and have the full faith and confidence of our community and me as their MLA. I would like to introduce Don Balsillie, the chief of Fort Resolution who is the chairperson. Raymond King is the director who represents the Metis Local.

Philip (Peppy) Beaulieu as we know him in Resolute, also represents the Metis Local. Diane Girouk represents the Deninu Ku'e First Nation, Patrick Simon represents the Deninu community council and Elizabeth-Ann Lafferty-Mackey (Bess-Ann) represents Deninu Ku'e First Nation. We also have an ex-Member of this Legislative Assembly, who is living in Fort Resolution now, Pete Fraser, is also a board member. Paul Bucher is a trainee and Jackie Coulter is chief executive officer. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 244-13(5): The Need For A Yellowknife Mining Museum

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to talk about the dream of a long time Yellowknifer. Eric Watt is an author of Walk on Terre, who appreciates the rich history of Yellowknife. For a long time he and his friends in the Spirit of Yellowknife have dreamed of opening a mining museum, something for tourists and newcomers alike who want to discover the roots of our capital. It is no secret that many tourists come to Yellowknife to capture that northern spirit many of them heard about when they were kids listening to tales of the frontier. What do we have to offer them here in Yellowknife? Yes, there are a couple of producing mines here in town, but you just cannot walk up and ask for a tour.

If you come to town any time other than mining week, there are precious few exhibits which capture the golden years. Some of the mining flavour can be had the at Wildcat Café and the Prospector Café across the street, which is a fine collection of memorabilia and maps. There is no museum dedicated to frontier development that is where Eric Watt comes in. There are a number of abandoned mine sites close to town that could be cleaned up and outfitted like a vintage camp. There has been talk of setting up shop at the old Thompson Lumbard Mine which is on a hiking trail and fully accessible in the winter.

The idea of a mining museum is a good one. We need to preserve what made us special and we are losing pieces of our history every day. Setting up a museum on an old mine site would give tourists the thing they want to see while preserving our heritage for new generations. It would even generate some jobs and economic spin-offs in the process. It seems to me, Mr. Speaker, this idea cannot lose. I would urge the Department of Education, Culture and Employment to initiate some discussions with the Spirit of Yellowknife on this idea, seeing how Monday is Heritage Day.

I want to wish all of our listeners and all the people who are watching on television happy Valentine's Day, as well as my partner in life, Margaret. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 245-13(5): Recruitment Of Nursing Staff Difficulties

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 776

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to wish my wife and everyone else a happy Valentine's Day for tomorrow. I would like to raise a concern we may experience in Rae-Edzo. This concern not only affects Rae-Edzo, but rather, all health boards across the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, I am referring to the increasing need for qualified

nursing staff. In Rae-Edzo, we have a health centre with seven nursing staff. However, by mid-March this could be down to four. It is very difficult to hire staff. Advertisements placed in southern and northern papers have no effect. I understand the reasons for leaving are high rent costs, poor accommodations, very expensive travel, heavy workloads, under staffing, high community expectations, no continuing education opportunities, salary scales and benefit packages are no longer competitive to the rest of Canada.

It seems that the people we train in the north are more valuable to the rest of Canada than they are to their own homeland. These graduates in the north can now go south and get the same jobs as they would have up here with lighter workloads, no on-call time, much cheaper cost of living and the same or more salary. In Rae-Edzo, we are trying to provide a desirable place to live and work. We can however only do so much. We need assistance from the Department of Health and Social Services to attract these very important individuals to our communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 246-13(5): Reflections On Valentine's Day

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, to do a little bit of refocusing here, we have heard a number of Members' statements today on what tomorrow, Valentine's Day holds. The symbol of Valentine's Day, Mr. Speaker, is the heart. I look at that for a number of reasons, not just for the idea it is Valentine and it is good to give a gift of chocolate and so on. As I grew up, and now that I have children, my heart is filled with many happy memories of being with my family and children when I comfort them when they scrape their knees or have a fight with one of their brothers or sisters.

The heart is a place where you store up these treasures and you allow yourself to grow with those and move forward. All of us here have had times in our lives when we can look back, whether it is our children or parents and some events of that has happened which made a significant difference in our lives. Mr. Speaker, in this forum, at times, we do not get to show that. Days like this, we get to experience and share a little bit. I would like to share something with my little friend, Mr. Todd . Mr.

Speaker, where the heart is, is just above his hope chest and I hope he finds it, so that the rest of the people can see he does have a heart.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 246-13(5): Reflections On Valentine's Day

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 247-13(5): Valentine's Greetings

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to pass on Valentine's Day greetings to my wife and family. I wish you and the rest of my colleagues a happy Friday the 13th. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 247-13(5): Valentine's Greetings

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Steen . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 248-13(5): Thoughts And Shots

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In keeping with the tradition of holding an occasional roast of the Members of this body, the working title of this statement will be thoughts and shots. Before I get going, Mr. Speaker, I would like to send greetings to my wife and family back in Yellowknife South. Mr. Speaker, my honourable colleague, Mr. Todd , is a prime example of what happens to a socialist when they discover money, a man of short stature, fast on his feet and doing a difficult job in difficult times. I would like to provide some clarity and remind Mr. Todd of one thing, it is getting toward the end of the day.

Moving on to Mr. Kakfwi , one of our busier Ministers, sometimes I think Mr. Kakfwi spends more time on a plane getting to those meetings than he actually spends at the meetings. We should, in fact, Mr. Speaker, add a new Minister of Southern portfolio to his agenda. I am always amazed when I look through Hansard at his ability to sound good and say nothing. By the way, I will be taking bets in the Members' lounge later on today whether this House finishes before Mr. Erasmus finishes building his house.

Our Premier , the Honourable Don Morin , confessed to me recently that he missed Sesame Street on the day they did they the letter "G". I cannot imagine that he calls the Deputy Premier, "Oo."

I will try not to be flippant when I talk about my honourable colleague from hard luck bay, sorry Iqaluit. Mr. Picco , had informed me he is considering quitting because he has his 12 weeks of stamps in now.

If my colleague from Hay River thought she might be spared because of her gender, I am sorry to disappoint her. What can you say about Jane, the "Dragonslayer," Groenewegen? There is some talk that in a previous life, Mr. Speaker, she was on Senator McCarthy's staff and is still looking for reds under the bed.

I might suggest to Mr. O'Brien that he not wear that seal skin jacket anymore. If I were to advise him that he should not wear it in case Mr. Todd clubs him again.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank you for your wisdom and for you ability to keep a finely ... Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays. There are no nays. Mr. Henry , you have unanimous consent.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would say again, finally, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank you for your wisdom and your ability to keep a firmly tooled cowboy boot on the throat, sorry, I mean on this Assembly. Mr. Speaker, I would like to finish off by wishing my wife and daughter a happy Valentine's Day and I would like to extend that to all Members

of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 249-13(5): Rationale For Posing Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is about being known as the person who asks a 1000 questions. Mr. Speaker, there are times when I ask questions to try to get answers and information and try to find a way to lead up to the next question. A lot of times, Mr. Speaker, the reason for our questions is to get information to clarify issues with our concern for our constituents and ourselves in this House. Mr.

Speaker, there are times when we raise questions which may cause grief to some people in the public, especially regarding the Lahm Ridge Tower, questions that are being asked in this House or in committee of the whole regarding the budget, questions on the block funding arrangements and transfer agreements that this government has in place. Mr. Speaker, I do not ask questions for the sake of asking questions. I ask questions to try and receive answers. Mr.

Speaker, there are questions we ask in regard to the way this government operates and to keep this government in line regarding the activities and work that it does day in and day out. It is my responsibility as an elected representative of the Mackenzie Delta to I try to make things better for the people I represent and deal with issues such as water problems, funds to the municipalities, infrastructure for the communities and health care and social problems we see eroding in our communities based on the cuts we made that deal with our deficit. Mr. Speaker, we have dealt with our deficit.

We do have to have a heart for the people in the communities to ensure that we allow them the ability to do things and have the resources to do those things with. With that, Mr. Speaker, in regard to the question about the heart, I would like to wish everyone out there a very happy Valentine's Day. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Ms. Thompson .

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Return To Oral Question 231-13(5): Broughton Island Airport Garage

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Enuaraq , on February 6, 1998. It is regarding the Broughton Island airport garage. The garage at the airport in Broughton Island belongs to the hamlet. Through an agreement with the hamlet, the Department of Transportation, Arctic Airports has used part of the garage for parking their vehicles. The hamlet now requires the full use of the garage and has requested that the Department of Transportation remove their equipment by the spring.

When the Department of Transportation removes their equipment, the hamlet will have sufficient space to park their equipment. I understand the regional superintendent for the Department of Transportation is aware of this issue and is looking at alternatives for their equipment. Thank you.

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Return To Oral Question 231-13(5): Broughton Island Airport Garage

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Page 778

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a few people I would like to recognize today. I would like to recognize Alek Morin, a respected elder and fisherman from Hay River. I would also like to recognize Georgina Rolt-Kaiser, my friend and UNW vice-president. Mr. Speaker, I am especially pleased today to recognize a life long friend of my late father it seems that after four years of dating, my father was having difficulty convincing my mother to marry him and at the home of his pastor, he was engaged to her. I owe a debt of gratitude to Reverend Ken Sweigard. Welcome.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 778

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Erasmus .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a constituent of Yellowknife North, Mr. Fred Turner, who has been a life long resident of the Northwest Territories, born here. Mr. Turner is a local businessman with many interests. He is a carpenter, he has owned construction companies, he has owned an airline company, he has been a real estate salesman. He also promotes Treaty and aboriginal rights and Mr. Turner is currently developing a mineral deposit very close to Yellowknife here. I would like to welcome Fred to the Assembly. Thank you.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 309-13(5): Food Prices In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 778

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Premier . As we are well aware, prices in the High Arctic communities of the NWT are much higher than those of southern Canada. The Premier stated last year he would review this problem of the high cost of food in the communities. Can the Premier tell me what he has found out regarding his review? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Question 309-13(5): Food Prices In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 778

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are many factors that affect the cost of foods in the High Arctic communities relative to the cost in Yellowknife. Even Yellowknife itself experiences high food costs when compared to southern Canada, like Edmonton. Transportation costs are

the primary factor that directly impacts retail prices. Some food stuffs such as frozen food, fresh vegetables must be frequently flown into the communities. While the government is working on reducing the cost of air travel in the north through improvement to airports, it is still extremely costly as compared to the frequent road transportation that is available for Yellowknife and other communities on the highway system. Other foods are delivered on the annual sealift at a much lower cost. However, the transportation costs of sealift are very significant as well.

In addition, the overall cost of doing business is a lot higher in our remote communities. Businesses must reflect these high costs in their prices. Competition and the relative size of a local marketplace also affect retail prices. Small communities are served by few business outlets which result in less competition than larger centres such as Yellowknife. It is difficult for small businesses to obtain low prices available to large national food chains such as Extra Foods. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 309-13(5): Food Prices In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Premier commit to investigating the possibilities of subsidization for the essentials which are needed? (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our government is as concerned as the Member is about the high cost of food in remote communities. As a government, we provide indirect subsidies to the communities that are not served by regular transportation methods through the Transportation Assistance Program. This applies only to the communities that are not serviced by road or sealift. Presently, the only community on this subsidy, Mr. Speaker, is Colville Lake. I think we are doing all that we can with the limited financial resources that are available at this time.

We provided support for overall business development through programs provided by RWED in order to provide better service to residents and to lower the costs. We are continually exploring ways to reduce transportation costs in the NWT. Fuel resupply contracts have been restructured which has reduced the cost of fuel. The Department of Transportation is continually looking for new ways to bring down the cost of our northern transportation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Premier aware of any other subsidy in other jurisdictions? (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The one that comes to mind is the Canada Post Food Mail Program. This provides communities with lower postal rates for food shipments to remote areas of Canada. The NWT is included in that federal government program. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 310-13(5): Broughton Island Airport Terminal Replacement

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 779

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the Minister of Transportation , the honourable Mr. Antoine . As I indicated in my Member's statement yesterday, the community of Broughton Island needs a proper airport. The airport terminal failure will continue to put an additional unnecessary burden on maintenance and repairs as well as power consumption. Can the Minister assure me, replacement funding for the airport will be moved forward to the upcoming fiscal year? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Broughton Island airport rehabilitation the department has been working with the municipality for some time now and the plan is to improve the airport. We had to make some changes to the municipal roadway and from the runway that is in conflict with zoning of the airport. There is a lot of major work to be done. The hamlet had asked the department to make some changes to our original plans and look at realignment. It will take some time to do. The department had asked the hamlet to do the work and there was some arrangement with the department and the municipality.

We entered into a full-authority agreement and the hamlet did some work on the airport on behalf of the community. There are some working arrangements along with the hamlet. We are fully aware there is concern about speeding up the process, but we are working with the hamlet to try to do the work that is there right now. Once some arrangements are worked out, then we would proceed with the project. Thank you.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the honourable Minister for that response. My second question, Mr. Speaker, is to the same honourable Minister. How can the Department of Transportation proceed with the work if the funding for the new terminal building is not even in capital plans? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the airport terminal building in Broughton Island is in the five-year capital plan. At the present time, we have had to do some air-side repairs. We had to build up an apron at the airport and realign the work. We had to find the material and these things take time. Once the air-side improvements are done and the road is realigned, then that is when we bring in the capital project, the airport terminal building. The way the plans are right now, we had to get the foundation, the base, for the airport terminal building in there.

That is the reason why it is in the five-year capital plan. It is not for this year. We have to do the groundwork first, before we start planning for putting a building up. Thank you.

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Question 311-13(5): Maintenance Of Arctic Bay - Nanisivik Road

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 780

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will have a question for the same Minister, Mr. Antoine . Mr. Speaker, I have learned that the road from Arctic Bay to Nanisivik, the maintenance funding, was deleted. I also learned that Nanisivik is going to be open for another 10 years and there is no maintenance funding for this road. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister, how will the road be maintained?

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the only highway system that we have in Nunavut is between Nanisivik and Arctic Bay. It is a 36-kilometre road. This department has been maintaining it. We also have some capital improvements for the airport and the highway at Nanisivik and Arctic Bay. This department has been negotiating with the owners of the mine there. The honourable Member is aware there are discussions between Nanisivik Mines and this department to see if the mine would be interested in taking over the responsibility of that roadway from the dock to the airport and taking over the airport.

This department will continue to maintain that road. At the present time, we are still in negotiation with Breakwater Resources, the owner of Nanisivik Mine. We should come to some conclusion in this discussion sometime in the next few months, but at the present time, we are still maintaining the road and the airport. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the mine is trying to make money like any other business. I have talked to the mine manager have the concurrence that they are not planning to maintain the road. There are some people from Arctic Bay that are working, going back and forth, and the people of Arctic Bay are using the road to the airport. What will happen if the mine does not want to maintain the road? Will this government still maintain the road? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Yes, Mr. Speaker. In our discussions with the mine owners and with the municipality in Arctic Bay last year, we covered this area. This department will continue to maintain that

section of road. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 312-13(5): Distribution Of Pay Equity Settlement

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 780

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for FMBS, Mr. Todd . Last week, the Minister announced in regard to the pay equity issue, talks had broken off with the UNW. The Minister at that time had also committed to providing information to the House regarding how the make-up or break-up of the pay equity would be regarding employees living in the Northwest Territories or living in southern Canada. My question to the Minister is, does he have that information available at this time? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. While I do have some preliminary numbers which I am prepared to share with the House, I would add the caveat that we do not have it finalized right now, but those people who are on the retroactivity side, approximately 50 percent of the employees who were there then, are no longer there. In other words, they have gone somewhere else in terms of employment opportunities. I am advised and I caution everybody, I am advised because I want to get it very accurate, approximately 70 percent of them have moved south. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister had indicated previously that there was a percentage of these people who were no longer residents of the Northwest Territories. I did not anticipate it was going to be to that degree. I did not quite hear the Minister. I think he said it rather low at the end, but could the Minister confirm the actual percentage of people living in Southern Canada? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

As my colleague knows, this is a highly sensitive and political issue right now, so I am a little reticent in giving defined numbers. We are working very hard to try to get that for our own benefit. When we make an agreement, which I am still optimistic, we can, we can get the cheques in the hands of the people, whether they live in Toronto or Whale Cove. But, my understanding is, in the preliminary review my staff had done with respect to the retroactivity side, in other words, what we owe people who were originally there, half of these people have now terminated their employment.

I am advised, again, I qualify it by saying, I need to see the numbers clearly, I am advised it seems that about 70 percent of these people now reside somewhere besides the territories. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Still on the issue of pay equity. It is my understanding, Mr. Speaker, at one point, there were representatives of the GNWT and the UNW who came together in a joint equity pay study, known as JEPS. Subsequently, the Government of the Northwest Territories employed the services of Hay and Associates in determining a settlement. Can the Minister please advise the House why there was a change in the GNWT's position in employing the organization called Hay and Associates? Why was there a difference in amounts at that time? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will try to answer that question. The JEPS system was a research committee which relied solely on employee questionnaires to evaluate sample positions in the government. We believe the quality and the rate of responses to the questionnaires varied considerably. There was not an in-depth evaluation of job by job. The Hay Plan Associates is a system we have been using for the past 20 years. We asked them, because of their Canada-wide experience, if they could do a position by position evaluation. We now have that and that is how we determined the retroactivity in terms of pay equity.

The ongoing costs, I think we identified them as $9 million, I believe. It was a question of accuracy and taking the time to do, not just a sample view of jobs in the government, but to do each and every one of the individual jobs, with an organization that has the credible, professional standing in the job evaluation business and who have done numerous job evaluations for other provincial jurisdictions. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . Mr. Speaker, this House has spent in committee of the whole six days reviewing the budget and going over the finances of the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs. This review took six days and it would have proceeded much more efficiently if Members had received answers to their questions in a more expeditious way. There are still several outstanding matters that have been raised which have not been answered by the Minister.

I wonder if the Minister will agree to conduct a review of Hansard, prepare comprehensive responses to all the outstanding questions asked during the review of her budget in committee of the whole and table these responses in the House?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will answer all of the questions. I thought we had answered them. We will go through the Hansards and answer the questions which were asked. If they felt they did not receive enough information from the department, we always provide that. We will do that for the Member.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the Minister would commit to table that in this House by Tuesday, February 17th? Thank you.

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Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Member was more specific, I would be able to give him the answers right away. We have to go through quite a bit of detailed information if that is what they are looking for. Is it going to take longer than Tuesday? I will give the answers as soon as they are available from the department. I cannot promise for Tuesday. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wonder if the Minister will commit to at least tabling this in the House next week? Thank you.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will table it when the staff have it ready. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. I would like to at this time on behalf of the Member for North Slave recognize two people in the gallery, Jack Webb and Alice Mercredi. Welcome to the Assembly. Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question at this time would be directed to the Premier . Mr. Speaker, in this House on numerous occasions we have heard of the concern of community empowerment and the level of effort which goes into it or the concern there is too much going out and the control is not there. I would like to know from the Premier , does he still stand behind the community empowerment initiative?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I stand fully behind the community empowerment initiative of this government. I had the pleasure today to introduce to this House, for example, a health board from one of my communities, Fort Resolution. The people in the community with the proper assistance of this government and proper training can govern themselves at the community level. I have said that since the first day I came here, ten years ago and I will continue to say it. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a relief to hear the Premier state that in the way that he does, especially when he brings up health boards. I would like to know with all the direction we have done downturn, we have said that communities and the health boards can make the decisions efficiently and effectively. Is that the process we are following that the general area of direction is, if they can make the decision, the community will let them?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our community organizations are those people who are elected at the community level, or who are appointed to boards. They are quite capable of making decisions and knowing what their communities want. We, as a government, are committed to working with them to achieve what they would like at the community level. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In continuing in the area of empowerment and guidelines, some concern has been brought up with the matter of who has the final control to changes in the system. Is there right now in place guidelines that would let boards make their decisions without having decisions made by, for example, Cabinet? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a tough one to answer because we do have so many different types of boards and organizations in the communities. There would be guidelines to assist those community boards to develop, and how their working relationship is, with this government. That would be the right way to govern and the right way to help the communities to achieve what they want. Whether or not there are specific guidelines for every board, I do not know that. I could find that out for the Member and get back to him. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Of course, I have raised these questions in specific concern for the community I represent, which the Inuvik Regional Health Board operates out of, although it is a regional centre. I would like to know if the Inuvik Regional Health Board will have the same ability as you have said. As community members elected to the positions, it will have an opportunity to fix things and operate things as efficiently and effectively as they see it being done? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All boards will have to live and work within certain parameters. I do know that. What we, as a government, are committed to doing is working with boards to ensure they can achieve the best results for the people they represent and do it in a cost-effective manner. In the specific case of the Inuvik Regional Health Board, there are some very specific guidelines of where the medical health services come from and things as such, that are still on record of this government. They have to work within those parameters and achieve their efficiency within those parameters. Thank

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 315-13(5): Interest Relief For Business Credit Corporation Loans

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of RWED and is in relation to his statement yesterday and his reference to the one-time interest relief for BCC loan holders. I wonder if the Minister could elaborate somewhat on what that means? How many people would be influenced and are there such details as he may have available? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there have been a number of Members of this Legislature who have requested, including the Standing Committee on Government Operations, Cabinet and the Minister, to look at the idea of doing a general roll back interest rates on all loans in good standing with the Business Credit Corporation. This is to provide some relief to our businesses in the north, who have been recipients of loans in the past. Loans that may have been locked in at a higher interest rate than the interest rate at this time. It was felt that there was merit in looking at that.

We have done that and we have approved a general roll back to be effective April 1st. This means a prime lending rate that is prevailing on April 1, 1998, plus two percent, would be the rate we charge to all outstanding loans that are in the portfolio of the Business Credit Corporation. It would apply to all loans that have interest rates higher than the rate at that time. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate or does the Minister have the information available as to how many businesses or outstanding loans that it would possibly affect? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can request the information from the department and give the statistics to the Member at a later date, I will take that question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 316-13(5): Freight Subsidy For Enfalac

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Premier . I will take it from where my colleague from Amittuq, Mr. Evaloarjuk left off, in regard to the cost of enfalac, which seems to vary from community to community, not only from region to region. I understand, Mr. Speaker, that this government provides a different form of subsidy on different programs. I also understand we provide a subsidy to ship alcohol across the country. We talk about fetal alcohol syndrome, we talk about healthy babies, we talk about fetal alcohol effects in our jurisdiction.

Can this government look into adding a fringe subsidy to enfalac. We seem to be providing all kinds of subsidies across the board. Will the Minister, the Premier of this government, look into the possibility, seriously, of providing a subsidy across the board to ship enfalac? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member is well aware, we do in one way or the other, supply subsidy for transportation on all the goods in the Northwest Territories. We do have resupply contracts. We have been working through our Transportation Departments and other departments in this government, to try to reduce the cost of doing business in the Northwest Territories, as well as reducing the cost of our goods for sale in the stores in the Northwest Territories. I know we have worked with Arctic Co-ops to assist them in businesses and they pretty well own the vast majority of stores in our remote communities.

We are working with the people to reduce the cost. We can only do so much as a government and then from there, it is up to the private sector. I stand to be corrected, but I understand, as well, that we do not subsidize the transportation of alcohol. I believe they have to pay what they have to pay and it is the cost of getting it there. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the Premier , I find the Premier does not reply. Mr. Speaker, yes, I do understand we provide some type of subsidy to many things across the board, but what bothers me and my colleague from Amittuq is, in our community, there are times when a child, a baby, is forced to drink juice or water, just to save that extra few spoonfuls for the evening. Will the honourable Minister seriously look at paying a little more attention to enfalac? Can we at least take a look at it and see what we can do in this case? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will talk to the

Ministers responsible for income support. We have put more money into that program. The Minister made a statement in this House and we have to make sure that the parents understand that the dollars are given to them on behalf of the children, as well, to make sure that they can budget properly, so that no child in the Northwest Territories goes hungry. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

My supplementary to the honourable Premier is, our stand here, Mr. Evaloarjuk and I, is enfalac. We are not talking about the Income Support Program. We are talking about the item, which we know as enfalac, in the store, on the shelf. Mr. Evaloarjuk talks about the price varying from community to community, in some cases by $5 even. Can the Minister try and find equalization for this unfair pricing across the board? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said earlier, there are many different ways to subsidize all articles or all food in the Northwest Territories, whether it is reinvesting in an airport so a bigger plane can land, or it is assisting people to marshall dry goods out of the south. We are committed as a government, to try to keep the cost of living down, try to work with people to reduce that cost of living, but enfalac is one item children need. As I have said earlier, we have put more money into the Income Support Program. I will talk to the Minister.

I do not know if it is proper or right to itemize one item that should get a subsidy. I think food in general, we have to look at and that is why we have done that. I will take the Members' request seriously and I will look into it. I do not know if we will do one item or one brand name. Thank you.

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Question 317-13(5): Selection Of Keewatin Health Board Chair

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . In reference to the selection of the new chairperson for the Keewatin Health Board, I realize the Minister recently requested names of individuals who may be interested in this position from various parties. Can the Minister tell me, which stakeholders were invited to submit names, aside from the MLAs? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the letters went to the mayors of all the municipalities, the president of the KIA, MLAs and the trustees.

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Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Given the fact that there will be various names submitted by various parties, what process is the Minister planning to use to make the final selection? Thank you.

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