Legislative Debates — 28 March 1995 (12th Assembly, 7th Session, pp. 643–675)
1995-03-28, 12th Assembly 7th Session, pp. 643–675
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of March 28th, 1995
This is page numbers 643 - 675 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was chairman .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Fair Play Award
Establishment Of Two Colleges
Proposed New Gun Control
Federal-territorial Health Care Billings Dispute Terms Of Agreement For An Out-of-court Settlement
Kivalliq Cup And Opening Of Arena In Whale Cove
Zero Tolerance For Violence
GNWT's Recognition Of Aboriginal Languages
Problems With Social Housing Rent Scale In Nunavut
Minister Kakfwi's Comments Re Hockey Game To Reporter
Problem Solving Without Violence
Editorial On Federal Gun Control Legislation
Alternatives To Our Criminal Justice System
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Funding For Official Languages Directives
Status Of Maca Reorganization Report
Advice From French Association Re Federal Funding Cuts
Electronic Monitoring Of Inmates As Alternative For Nwt
Tabling Of Fire Management Suppression Report
GNWT's Policy On Out-of-community Medical Leave
Minister's Knowledge Re Principles Of Justice Agreement For Crime Victims
Status Of Credit Unions In Nwt
Policy For Ministers Awarding Sole-source Contracts
GNWT's Involvement In Discussions Re Diamond Royalties
Time Frame For Establishment Of Transportation And Ed&t Adm Positions For Nunavut
Status Of Economic Rents Charged For GNWT Parking
Status Of Recommendation Re Government Travel
GNWT Use Of Employees' Air Travel Points
Current Status Of Eda
Monitoring Fish War Between Canada And Spain
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Setting Of Sitting Hours By Speaker
Bill 31: Recall Act
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96Committee Report 4-12(7): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Main Estimates
Bill 29: Interim Appropriation Act, April 1 - June 30, 1995
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Mr. Allooloo , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 643
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Allooloo . The House will come to order. Good afternoon.
Speaker's Ruling
I would like to provide the House with my ruling on the point of order raised on March 27th by the Member for Thebacha , Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
The Member's point of order was that the Member for Iqaluit , in comments he made on March 10th, had used the word "irresponsibly" which Mrs. Marie-Jewell felt was unparliamentary and implied allegations against her. I would like to repeat the exact words that were used by Mr. Patterson as they are contained on page 1371 of unedited Hansard, and I quote:
"But, Mr. Speaker, in my view, if Members are allowed to act irresponsibly and table unsigned documents which may be furnished to Members for malicious or political purposes, then this is, in fact, an abuse of the privileges we enjoy as Members. And, it will diminish the reputation of this Assembly."
I note with a bit of disappointment that Mrs. Marie-Jewell , in making comments on the point of order, indicated, and I quote, "Not only should I request an apology from Mr. Patterson , which I won't..." I would have hoped that all Members would have sufficient respect for each other and that Mrs. Marie-Jewell would have given the Member the benefit of the doubt and at least offered him the opportunity to apologize if he felt he had used unparliamentary language. However, that was not to be the case, therefore, I am required to rule on the point of order.
I note that Beauchesne's 6th edition provides in citation 489, and I quote:
"Since 1958, it has been ruled unparliamentary to use the following expressions:
- Irresponsible Members, Debates, May 8, 1969, page 8476; and,
- Irresponsible reply, Debates, December 5, 1962, page 2346."
In reviewing the point of order, I referred back to the actual House of Commons debates of 1962 and 1969, in which the two incidents I mentioned were ruled upon. I note that in the 1962 debates, the words "irresponsible reply" were used to describe a response made by then Prime Minister, Mr. Diefenbaker, and in the 1969 case the words "irresponsible Members" were used to describe the actions of Members generally and one Member in particular. I would like to quote from Beauchesne's citation 486(1):
"It is impossible to lay down any specific rules in regard to injurious reflections uttered in debate against particular Members, or to declare beforehand what expressions are or are not contrary to order; much depends upon the tone and manner, and intention, of the person speaking; sometimes upon the person to whom the words are addressed, as, whether that person is a public officer, or a private Member not in office, or whether the words are meant to be applied to public conduct or to private character; and sometimes upon the degree of provocation, which the Member speaking had received from the person alluded to; and all these considerations must be attended to at the moment, as they are infinitely various and cannot possibly be foreseen in such a manner that precise rules can be adopted with respect to them."
Under the same citation, subparagraph (3) is also appropriate to bring to the Member's attention:
"3"There are few words that have been judged to be unparliamentary consistently, and any list of unparliamentary words is only a compilation of words that at some time have been found to cause disorder in the House."
I have considered the context in which the apparently offensive words were used and considered the comments of Mr. Patterson in speaking to the point of order. As with any point of order and in particular when unparliamentary language is the issue, you have to consider the tone and manner and the intention of the person speaking. I note that Mr. Patterson did preface his reference to Members with the word "if". I considered Mr. Patterson 's submission of yesterday's date to be sufficient to explain that his intention was not to refer to any specific action undertaken by a specific Member.
The context within which his comments were made dealt with a point of order that focused on the rules and practices of permitting unsigned letters to be tabled in the House. In keeping with the precedent outlined in Beauchesne's, I have considered the tone, manner and intention of the Member for Iqaluit when making his comments.
When there is no clear breach or order, I feel it is important to accept the word of a Member. Therefore, I rule that the words uttered are not unparliamentary and that the Member for Thebacha does not have a point of order.
---Applause
Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statement. Mr. Ng .
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Minister's Statement 47-12(7): Fair Play Award
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 644
Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Mr. Speaker, as Members are aware from earlier Members' statements in this House, today is a proud day for the Kevin Koe junior mens curling team, their families and friends.
This evening in Toronto Kevin Koe, his brother, Jamie, and Mark and Kevin Whitehead, along with their coach George Gibson, will be recognized with the 1994 fair play in sport award.
Mr. Speaker, the Canadian Sport Council annually recognizes outstanding achievements in sport at the Canadian sport awards dinner. In addition to honouring Canada's greatest male and female athletes, the team of the year and lifetime contributions to sport, the council also recognizes fair play in sport.
Fair Play Canada in conjunction with the Canadian Sport Council will be awarding the national fair play award for the athlete/team category for 1994 to the members of the Northwest Territories 1994 junior men's curling team.
Fair Play Canada has made arrangements for all members of the team to attend the awards dinner and the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has arranged that their coach, George Gibson, will also attend. TSN will be filming the 1995 Canadian sport awards dinner for a one-hour special to air on TSN in April.
I would like to congratulate these four young men and their coach for exemplifying the attitudes and behaviour associated with good sportsmanship. During the final game of the 1994 Pepsi Junior Men's Championship in Truro, Nova Scotia, a controversial ruling awarded the game to the Alberta team. On national television and under the strain of facing a heartbreaking loss, the NWT team accepted the ruling with class and dignity and showed no anger or frustration. These young men's commitment to the principles of fair play was a proud moment for all of us.
Not only did they show respect for the rules, their teammates and their opponents, but they respected, without question, the decision of the officials. Mr. Speaker, there can be no clearer demonstration of good sportsmanship than this.
I am sure all Members will join me in congratulating Kevin and Jamie Koe, Mark and Kevin Whitehead and their coach, George Gibson, for representing the NWT with distinction and for the honour of receiving the 1994 national fair play award. Thank you.
---Applause
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Minister's Statement 47-12(7): Fair Play Award
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 644
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 2, Ministers' statement. Mr. Nerysoo .
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Minister's Statement 48-12(7): Establishment Of Two Colleges
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 644
Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last November, this Assembly passed the Public Colleges Act, which directed the Department of Education, Culture and Employment to establish two colleges; one located in the western Northwest Territories, and one located in the eastern Arctic. I am pleased to announce that these two institutions were established on January 1st of this year. I would like to take this opportunity to bring Members up to date on this initiative.
During the last session of this Assembly, I indicated that I would work with the college board of governors to identify names for our two new public colleges. Since that time, there has been considerable consultation across the north to identify college names. Throughout the fall, Mr. Speaker, the Arctic College board actively solicited recommendations for names for the two new colleges.
They undertook advertising and direct consultation with communities, students and staff as well as a number of other groups and organizations. As a result of their work, I received a list of three possible names for each college.
Selecting a name for a college is an important decision. The name should reflect the communities it serves, it should be distinctive and it should be a name of which we can all be proud as the institution grows and develops. In making a decision on this matter, I have also been guided by the comments and recommendations of the Members of this Assembly. In the past few months, I have received comments from a number of Members indicating their preferences.
I am pleased to announce today that the college serving the eastern Arctic will be known as Nunavut Arctic College. The college in the west will be named Aurora College.
---Applause
Mr. Speaker, investment in adult and post-secondary education is a key element of my department's strategic plan, and the establishment of two colleges is part of the overall strategy to strengthen adult and post-secondary education across the north.
With two colleges it will be possible to better focus on community needs, particularly as we move towards division of the Northwest Territories.
Nunavut Arctic College and Aurora College will continue to operate three campuses and a network of community learning centres. As well, science and technology activities previously carried out by the Science Institute have now been consolidated within the colleges. The colleges will include new offices to guide science and technology activities and to manage the four territorial research centres.
The new colleges are currently finalizing corporate plans which reflect the department's strategic plan and which will guide activities over the next five years.
Nunavut Arctic College and Aurora College replace Arctic College, but they will build on Arctic College's success. Since 1988, when Arctic College was incorporated, considerable progress has been made in offering additional college programs to the people of the Northwest Territories. Over this past year, Arctic College experienced 1,500 full-time and more than 9,000 part-time registrations.
Mr. Speaker, my department and the two colleges are committed to providing northerners with improved access to high-quality programs, which are designed to address their needs and are delivered close to home. The establishment of two colleges is an important step towards this goal and will help prepare northern residents for the division of the Northwest Territories in 1999.
I would like to ask my colleagues to join me in congratulating Nunavut Arctic College and Aurora College on their establishment and to wish them every success in meeting the educational and training challenges of the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Minister's Statement 48-12(7): Establishment Of Two Colleges
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 645
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 2, Ministers' statement. Mr. Kakfwi .
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Minister's Statement 49-12(7): Proposed New Gun Control
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 645
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, this government has had concerns with the proposed new gun control legislation as recently tabled by the federal government. We have had concerns about this proposed gun legislation from the time of the introduction of the federal government's action plan in November 1994.
After reviewing the intentions stated in the consultative package, we expressed our concerns relating to the requirement to obtain a firearms licence and the registration of all firearms, at that time, to the federal Minister of Justice by letter and in person. Other provincial governments and the Yukon territory also stated their concerns on this matter to the federal Minister during a meeting held in Victoria, British Columbia in January of this year. Bill C-68,
An Act Respecting Firearms and Other Weapons which includes amendments to the Criminal Code and a new Firearms Act was introduced by the federal Minister of Justice on the 14th of February of this year. A review of this bill added additional concerns as to the impact this legislation will have.
The controls and conditions that are placed on the lending, selling and giving of firearms as well as the storage of the same, we believe, obstruct the traditional lifestyle of the Dene, the Metis and the Inuit people. Penalties which will occur if individuals are convicted of firearms offences are severe and may result in a term of imprisonment. Once again, I have stated my concerns relating to Bill C-68 to the federal Minister by letter. Issues surrounding this legislation are real and the proposed gun controls will have a negative impact on the freedom to fulfil a traditional lifestyle.
We support several aspects of the proposed legislation, for example: the sections dealing with the smuggling of firearms; the use of a firearm in the commission of an offence; restriction on handguns; and, a ban on military assault weapons are all recognized as required changes. However, the negative impact that will result from the concerns we have registered will outweigh the importance of these changes. We stated our concerns on the restrictions placed on the purchasing and transportation of ammunition to the federal Minister of Justice . These concerns have since been addressed by the federal government through changes to allow for purchasing flexibility.
In addition, we expressed concerns over the subject matter of the Canadian firearms safety course as being too complicated and overly technical and called for flexibility in the delivery of the course. As a result, the federal government is now working with our officials in the Department of Justice and the Department of Renewable Resources to make appropriate modifications. The proclamation date of the course will be deferred to January 1, 1996 in order to allow for the required changes to the course content.
As a result of negotiations on the part of the Department of Justice, the federal government has accepted financial responsibility for the delivery and maintenance of the Canadian firearms safety course.
The federal Department of Justice has also assigned members of the firearms task force to consult with aboriginal and Inuit groups across Canada. The task force members will be visiting a number of communities in the Northwest Territories during the month of April 1995. These are positive things that have happened as a result of our intervention and we are pleased with the corrective action taken to date. However, the issues surrounding firearms registration and the penalties for firearm offenses are still outstanding. To deal with these issues, we have established a Caucus Subcommittee on Bill C-68.
This committee is actively reviewing the concerns relating to gun control and taking steps to inform the public and community leader in a way which answers the questions which are most frequently asked. This committee will also make a presentation to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs that are reviewing the proposed legislation.
Mr. Speaker, the impact that this proposed new gun control legislation will have on the people of the north should not be trivialized, nor should they be underestimated. It's my intention to continue to take steps necessary to see that the traditional ways of the Dene, the Metis and the Inuit people are respected and taken into full consideration by the federal government. I believe that our concerns will be heard and dealt with appropriately. Thank you.
---Applause
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Minister's Statement 49-12(7): Proposed New Gun Control
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 645
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 2, Ministers' statements. Ms. Cournoyea .
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Minister's Statement 50-12(7): Federal-territorial Health Care Billings Dispute Terms Of Agreement For An Out-of-court Settlement
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 645
Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, during the past year, the federal and territorial governments have been negotiating an out- of-court settlement for the health care billings dispute. The dispute arose over the federal government's refusal to pay territorial claims for hospital services provided to status Indians and Inuit. Court action was taken against the federal government in December of 1992, after extensive efforts to resolve the dispute failed. The court
action sought $79 million from the federal government for outstanding hospital claims.
Mr. Speaker, over the past six months, the terms of an acceptable settlement have been reached on the dispute over billings for the period 1986-87 to 1991-92. The terms of settlement also contain provisions which relate to the period 1992 to 1995, and a contribution agreement for the next three fiscal years.
Mr. Speaker, the terms of settlement make the following financial arrangements:
- A one-time payment of $24 million in settlement of claims;
- A contribution agreement for 1994-95 with payment of up to $33.5 million for hospital and physician services to NWT status Indians and Inuit;
- A three-year contribution agreement, including an option for a one-year extension, with payments escalated from 1994-95 by six per cent, three per cent and three per cent in the first, second and third years of the agreement; and,
- At the conclusion of the third or fourth year, the escalated amount will be added to the gross expenditure base of the territorial government and increased thereafter under the terms of the formula financing agreement.
The agreement also includes provisions which are important for the territorial government, status and aboriginal residents and Nunavut. More specifically:
- The terms of settlement cannot be used to impede discussions surrounding the administration and financing of health services in the two new territories created by division;
- The terms cannot be used to restrict access by the government to federal assistance to help in dealing with emergencies;
- The terms cannot be used to restrict access by the government or aboriginal residents to national health programs; and,
- The terms cannot be interpreted to prejudice treaty or aboriginal rights, or future self-government arrangements.
Mr. Speaker, because this dispute concerned the delivery of health care services by the GNWT to status Indians and Inuit, discussions with representatives of aboriginal organizations were initiated when the territorial government decided to take the federal government to court.
Aboriginal organizations in the Northwest Territories were advised in writing on March 15th that we were close to settling out of court and were provided with the terms of settlement for the health care billings dispute. The letter was also provided to all health boards, our Members of Parliament and copies were sent to MLAs. Follow-up phone calls by myself and the Minister of Finance were arranged to provide additional details and answer questions. No major concerns or opposition to the settlement were raised during the discussions.
As a result, I have signed the terms of settlement for the health care billings dispute, as well as contribution agreements for 1994-95 and the period 1995-96 to 1997-98.
Mr. Speaker, the territorial government has negotiated the best possible terms of settlement, especially given the federal government's current and ongoing deficit and debt situation.
However, even though the package calls for increases in federal contributions for the next three years, measures will be required to make the best possible use of resources available, particularly in view of future federal cutbacks to territorial transfer payments. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Minister's Statement 50-12(7): Federal-territorial Health Care Billings Dispute Terms Of Agreement For An Out-of-court Settlement
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 646
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Todd .
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Kivalliq Cup And Opening Of Arena In Whale Cove
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 646
John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This past weekend, the community of Whale Cove hosted the annual Kivalliq Cup. This hockey tournament brings together teams from all the Keewatin communities and is certainly the highlight of the hockey season in the Keewatin.
This year the tournament was also tied with another exciting event. We were honoured to have the Honourable Kelvin Ng , Minister of MACA, in attendance to officially open the new Peter Ongashimna arena.
Mr. Speaker, the people of Whale Cove wanted me to thank the Minister personally for travelling to their community for this event, for taking the time to attend a number of meetings over the course of the weekend.
Mr. Speaker, this year's tournament was a rousing success. With the teams from all communities, the referees, volunteers and fans from all the other six communities in the region, the population of Whale Cove, normally around 300, more than doubled this past weekend.
To the credit of the organizers, despite the number of people involved, the tournament went off with barely a hitch. The hockey was exciting and excellent, and I was especially pleased to see that the Whale Cove team performed so well.
Mr. Speaker, all in all it was a great weekend. All the credit for handling the logistics of this event should go to the mayor of Whale Cove, Mr. Percy Kabloona, the hamlet council, the hamlet staff and the people of Whale Cove who opened their arms to visitors of all communities. I would especially like to thank the regional staff of MACA for assisting with all the arrangements. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Kivalliq Cup And Opening Of Arena In Whale Cove
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 646
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .
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Zero Tolerance For Violence
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 646
Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi made a statement which he
indicated was to address an issue I raised last November about our declaration of zero tolerance for violence. Today I would like to respond to that statement.
Mr. Speaker, the Minister, yesterday, agreed with my premise that a declaration is not enough. People expect, quite rightly, to see action to back up our words. I believe the Minister was correct in his assertion that family violence is a problem all across the country and that we need to change societal attitudes so people start to realize that family violence is a crime.
I agree with the Minister when he says that declarations such as ours are but one element in the process of changing society's views about family violence, and that MLAs should be leaders in that process of change. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Kakfwi also pointed out that Members of this Assembly can do more to send out the message that violence is always unacceptable by introducing a requirement that any Member who is convicted of a violent offence be required to resign their seat.
Since it would appear from that statement that the government is not prepared to introduce such legislation, Mr. Speaker, I would like to advise the House that in the next little while I plan to introduce an amendment to the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act which would force a Member to resign should they be convicted of an offence involving violence against another person. Minister Kakfwi said yesterday that he would support such a measure; I hope all Members of this House will, as well.
Mr. Speaker, the Minister's statement yesterday addressed the concern that has been expressed that we seem to have almost unlimited funds to deal with offenders, while those who have been victimized or those who have been victims often feel further victimized by our legal system and the courts. Mr. Speaker, the holistic approach is a long-term approach. I cannot disagree that ultimately changing the behaviour of offenders so there is less violence and addressing the root causes of violence through the community wellness program is the proper approach.
But, as the Minister said yesterday, change is not something that happens over night. While we work to effect such change, how can we in any conscience ignore the victims?
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude by statement.
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Zero Tolerance For Violence
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 647
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Dent .
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Zero Tolerance For Violence
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 647
Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and honourable Members. Mr. Speaker, as the Minister said yesterday, community-based victims' service groups provide a much-needed service. Volunteers and staff with these groups deserve our recognition and our thanks for the good work they do. Mr. Speaker, unless we find more funding for these groups, there will be no one to thank.
These programs should be seen by the government as fundamental partners in the process of eliminating violence in communities. I know the Minister has pointed out that the federal government initiated these programs and has now walked away from them. Mr. Speaker, they were wrong to have done that and that is no excuse for us to do the same. Given the cost-effective service the public gets from these programs for the minimal investment provided by government, we must find a way to keep them going.
Using information from the North of 60 Victim Witness Association, we know that a majority of the clients being served by these programs result from family violence and sexual assault. Volunteers and staff provide crisis intervention, emotional support, information about the judicial system and process, and other assistance to help traumatized people get through the process. The emotional needs of victims completely justify the programs, but, Mr. Speaker, if you want a bottom line reason to support them, don't forget that better prepared and supported victims make better witnesses.
That ensures that offenders less often get away with their crimes. Too often, in the absence of support, the victim is again victimized by the adversarial nature of our court system and the perpetrator gets off.
Mr. Speaker, the Minister has, in the past, suggested the government needs to consider whether it has the philosophical requirement to deal with victims of crime. I suggest this question has already been answered. In 1988, in recognition of the United Nations declaration of basic principles of justice for victims of crime, federal, provincial and territorial Ministers responsible for criminal justice signed a document outlining some statements of basic principles of justice for victims of crime. This document was signed on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories, by the then Minister of Justice , the Honourable Michael Ballantyne .
Mr. Speaker, there are 10 principles in this document. I had intended to read them into the record, but that would probably take a considerable amount of time so I will instead table them later on.
But, Mr. Speaker, I would suggest that without the victims service programs, the principles that this government has signed to uphold, to respect and provide justice for victims of crime, cannot be met. I continue to urge the Minister of Justice to look for ways to ensure that the existing victims service programs are able to continue and for ways to expand the programs to other communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Zero Tolerance For Violence
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 647
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Allooloo .
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GNWT's Recognition Of Aboriginal Languages
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 647
Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise to extend my gratitude to the government and our participation as they were recognized in our territories. We are the Inuit and the only aboriginal government within Canada and this is something that we have to be proud of as a government. (Translation ends)
I am very proud to be part of this government which recognizes our aboriginal language as one of the official languages of this government. I am also proud that in June 1984 this act came into force, 11 years ago, and was further amended in 1990. I am also very proud that in our education system our kids who are in the communities -- I'm not sure of those in central locations -- could take our aboriginal languages as courses. That does not happen in many other jurisdictions.
But, I am sad to say that our government officials -- directors, deputy ministers -- who are in the positions of decision-making, do not have direction from this government as to what sorts of services should be available, even though there's
an act that would obligate our government to do so. It has been 11 years since the act came into force, yet our government does not have the direction it needs to provide their managers in giving out information and also communicating with the public. I am sad to say that that direction is not here yet. I hope in the near future, as was responded to me yesterday from the Premier , that direction to the managers of this government will be given by the Executive Council.
(Translation) I would like to extend my gratitude to the people who worked hard in sustaining aboriginal languages within the territorial government, as well as within other sections of the government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Problems With Social Housing Rent Scale In Nunavut
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Rebecca Mike
Baffin Central
Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker. I have very serious concerns on the new rent scale, which is to be implemented in just a few days.
The scale is based on the theory that high income tenants would be in private homes. To save funds, CMHC is cutting back to free up public housing for those in need. These theories are well intended; however, off the highway system, like in Nunavut level II and III communities, the new rent scale will cause some undue hardship and a lot of headaches for the Cabinet and NWT Housing Corporation because the level II and III communities in Nunavut, Mr. Speaker, do not have a market for private homes.
I realize the Housing Corporation has various programs for home ownership. For example, in Pangnirtung there will be 42 tenants affected, yet this fiscal year there are only 12 applicants approved for home ownership. What other alternatives do the other 30 tenants have, as there is no private home market in this community. Will the NWT Housing Corporation assist these 30 people for home ownership next year? It has been difficult for these high-income earners to get financing from the banks because the lots available in Nunavut communities are only available on leased basis.
Another problem that I have a concern on is in the way the rent scale is based on family disposable income. Many Inuit in level II communities live with the family members not by choice, but because of the shortage of housing in these communities. That is the reality today, Mr. Speaker.
There are real facts that are of concern to many Inuit that are legitimate concerns. Such as, what do you do when a family member refuses to pay the rent and accumulates a debt.
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Rebecca Mike
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I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Samuel Gargan
The Member for Baffin Centre is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude you statement, Ms. Mike .
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Rebecca Mike
Baffin Central
Thank you colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I do not envy the local community housing associations and authorities who are implementing this rent scale on behalf of the NWT Housing Corporation; especially when they are so close to the division of the NWT, where our government will have to work harder in managing our dollars to arrive at a zero deficit by 1999. This rent scale will do the opposite.
I hope that this government will take another good look at some of the real problems that this new rent scale will create in Nunavut. Mr. Speaker, in the next few weeks, I will be asking the honourable Minister responsible during question period. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .
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Minister Kakfwi's Comments Re Hockey Game To Reporter
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I wish to inform Members, the public and members of the media, before Ms. Devine does, that yesterday I approached Ms. Devine inquiring as to whether she was going to play hockey on Friday or not. And that if she was up to the challenge, and if she agreed to play, I would do so as well. She very quickly concluded that I meant to inflict some violence on her...
---Laughter
...and scampered off to the media room. I was sorry for it because that was not the intent. It was only my intention that if I was going to try to play hockey with members of the media and my colleagues, I didn't want her to be sitting in the bleachers furiously scribbling down her observations about my, perhaps, rather futile attempts. At the very least, I would like some comfort in knowing that she would also be on the ice at the same time, trying to skate gracefully amongst her colleagues as well as ours.
I wanted the Members to know that because we never know what the good lady decides to put in her columns, but surely I have been there with great regularity. If it should come up, I wanted Members to know the context in which those comments were made to her yesterday. Thank you.
---Applause
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .
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Problem Solving Without Violence
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Brian Lewis
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is late in the life of this Assembly to begin grappling with the problem of violence and finding some proposal to change people's behaviours. After racking up thousands and thousands of words about what is right, what we should do and so on, it is good to see people suddenly taking an interest in accountability, trying to do something to solve the problem.
I would like to point out that one of the graces of an Assembly like this -- and they exist throughout the world -- is that we try to resolve our problems through reason, argument, and persuasion and so on, but we don't put fists and boots to people if they don't agree with us. So, if we are going to suddenly confine our activities to doing something about what we call family violence, how do you define it? How far are you going to go?
As far as I am concerned, if you decide to solve your problems with your boots or your fists, whether it is in a bar, on the streets or in the house, that is not the way to solve problems. I learned that when I was a very young man, especially when you get beaten once or twice.
I would say that the civilized way in which we do business, if we are going to really seriously look at this and really look at the issue of violence, we have to look in totality at the way we solve our problems and not just simply limit it to what may or may not happen inside the walls of somebody's house. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 3, Members' statements. Are there any further Members' statements? Mr. Patterson .
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Editorial On Federal Gun Control Legislation
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Page 649
Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in a recent column in Nunatsiaq News by my former executive assistant, Marina Devine, and in an editorial in News/North, March 13, 1995, entitled "What's the fuss", MLAs are accused of jumping on a band wagon, of creating hot air over gun control because it is an election year; we are accused of trying to scare community people silly, that they will be jailed for acting as they ordinarily do in loaning guns or storing them in other people's houses.
We are told calm down, the law hasn't yet been passed and that we will have our opportunity to modify the bill through the parliamentary committee or through the team of officials -- some of which, by the way, helped write this bill, I am told -- which are being sent around to aboriginal communities to try to make sure the new law doesn't interfere with treaty and aboriginal hunting rights.
I am upset with these comments and I would like to make a few points in response. I will only speak for myself. I am not running for office again, I am not electioneering on this issue, this is a very serious issue on which I feel very strongly.
---Applause
And, I think it's unfair to accuse MLAs who express strong views on an issue in the fourth year of their mandate of electioneering, whether they're running again or they're not. This issue not only affects aboriginal people but a lot of people who are my constituents who live an outdoor lifestyle.
Let's look at our situation, Mr. Speaker. First of all, the Liberal government has a huge majority. Government Members dominate the parliamentary committee which will review the bill and the Prime Minister, himself, has stated that he will support this measure. Unless we make noise now, and that's about all we can do here in the north, we have very little chance of our concerns being dealt with. We don't have a lot of leverage, especially since both of our MPs for the Northwest Territories are somewhat constrained by being Members of the government party.
Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous consent to make a few other points on this matter. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The honourable Member for Iqaluit is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Patterson .
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would just like to outline some of the real problems that the draft bill proposes. First of all, let's look at the requirement that all firearms be registered. We own a tremendous amount of firearms in the Northwest Territories. As this bill is drafted, each and every gun in each and every community, in each and every household, will have to be registered with the RCMP. This will be a nightmare to administer in the Northwest Territories and very costly.
Secondly, Mr. Speaker, people who do not meet these provisions as the law is now drafted will be subject to a criminal record; will be charged, not by
summary offence, but by indictment; and, will face a minimum penalty of one year in jail for a second offence. I can easily see people who are in trouble with the law having these firearm offences added to the list of charges and, yes, without control of prosecutions we are very vulnerable to inappropriate values and misplaced priorities from the Attorney General for the Northwest Territories in Ottawa.
Right now, Mr. Speaker, as the bill is drafted, a registration card must be with the rifle if a firearm is loaned. I've heard defenders of this legislation compare it to having a licence to drive a car but not having a licence to drive a car is not a criminal offence. Mr. Speaker, these are some of the problems with this bill as it's drafted.
I'm concerned that members of the press have not given Members of this Assembly credit for the hard work that has been done -- along, of course, with the Minister -- for progress that has already been made in dealing with issues such as: gun safety training; modifying the legislation in relation to areas such as the purchase of ammunition; and, perhaps, in securing no fees for general hunting licence holders.
We have made some progress in some areas, this should be acknowledged by the press. And now is certainly not the time to let up. I would like to say again that gun control is okay for jurisdictions such as Ontario which perceive it as needed. We don't need it here and I think we should continue to pursue a blanket exemption for the Northwest Territories. It won't work here, it's not needed and I'm going to continue to work on this, along with Members of this House and Members of the subcommittee that has been established. I think it's important to our people and our constituents, whether the press knows that or not. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Patterson . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ballantyne .
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Alternatives To Our Criminal Justice System
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Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think that all Members of the House got a flyer about "Electronic Monitoring: A British Columbia Success Story." I think the Minister of Justice also got it. Normally unsolicited advertising ends up in my garbage can but this one is really quite interesting and I just wanted to share it with Members who might not have read it.
As you know, over the last year we've spent a lot of money on corrections -- I think there were 25 or 27 new PYs and probably $15 million in capital expenditures over the next few years -- and this seems to be one way to try to cut down costs. They say in British Columbia they've cut down $10 million in O and M and $30 million in capital. They eliminated three 100-bed open minimal security institutions in BC and they also say that additional savings were achieved through the positive affect on the tax base and reduced welfare payments, and 70 to 75 per cent on EMP have jobs and are paying taxes, et cetera.
For those who don't know what electronic monitoring is, an inmate, rather than spending time in a facility, wears an electronic ankle bracelet and has very strict supervision. They have to adhere to an individualized case management plan and have a very strict curfew.
It seems to me, when we're talking about community justice, that this process might have some place in our criminal justice system. I just wanted, Mr. Speaker, to bring this to the attention of Members and I'm going to ask the Minister a question about this in question period. Thank you.
---Applause
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Patterson .
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Mr. Speaker, once again, unfortunately, I don't recognize any of my constituents today but I do recognize Mr. Ben McDonald from the Union of Northern Workers.
---Applause
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize two of my constituents, Mr. Eddie Amagonaloak and his stepdaughter. Thank you.
---Applause
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Samuel Gargan
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Question 327-12(7): Funding For Official Languages Directives
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 650
Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I asked the Premier about the status of the official language directives and I had a chance to read the unedited Hansard. Mr. Speaker, the Premier seemed to be saying that the directives will be based on the availability of funding that the federal government provides. I wonder if that is true.
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Samuel Gargan
Madam Premier .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I believe the answer was that, given the new agreement and the new numbers, we would have to take that into consideration in terms of finishing off the guidelines. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Samuel Gargan
Supplementary, Mr. Allooloo .
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Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have
an act passed in June 1984 and amended in 1990 called the Official Languages Act. Under the act, there are certain obligations that the territorial government has to adhere to. Would those sections that require the government to do certain things be adhered to regardless of the funding or would we have to break the law to avoid those expenditures that the territorial government has if they don't have the funding? Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Madam Premier .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I hope that the Member could be more clear and definitive on what areas he
feels that we might break the law. Within the resources we have -- and we are not only obligated to the resources under the official languages agreement -- the Government of the Northwest Territories does contribute to language development outside the official languages agreement with the federal government. So the only reference I was alluding to was that in writing the guidelines they take into consideration the responsibilities we have and how we can best apply the guidelines to make sure that we live up to those responsibilities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Allooloo .
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Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In order to answer the question, to be more specific about what areas I feel need clarification from the Executive Council, in terms of sections in the act that have to be adhered to by the territorial government, I am specifically citing
section 9,
section 10(3),
section 10(1),
section 10(2),
section 11(1),
section 12(2),
section 12(3),
section 13(4),
section 14(1), and
section 14(2). I feel these sections have to be clarified by the territorial government in order to give more direction to their managers, in terms of giving information or communicating to aboriginal people; they should have clear directions.
Mr. Speaker, my question was would the territorial government fulfil their obligations under these sections, regardless of whether they have money or not. Or would that be based on the funding available to them, thereby contravening the law of the official languages agreement? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
That was two supplementaries. Madam Premier .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I don't have the agreement in front of me to refer specifically to those sections. I want to assure the honourable Member that it's the intention of the government to attain as many of the obligations and do what we can in terms of language development. I'm not sure what sections he's referring to, so in that regard I'll take a look at the agreement tomorrow and provide a response as it relates to those sections. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Final supplementary.
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Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In looking at the Canada/NWT cooperation agreements and the financial statement that both governments have to sign for the years 1994 and 1995, the Executive department, specifically the official languages unit, lapsed money to the tune of $80,000 for contracting services that could have been used to contract someone to come up with a recommendation to the territorial government on the directives. I wonder, Mr. Speaker, why that money was not used for contracting services so they would at
least have recommendations in front of them to guide them as they are developing guidelines. Thank you.
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I would have to ask for clarification on what $80,000 the Member is referring to. I'm not aware that we lapsed any dollars at all this year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Mr. Allooloo , would you clarify the $80,000.
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Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
Mr. Speaker, I'm specifically referring to the financial statement that is under the agreement as an activity report signed by both governments. I can see the Premier 's aide was one of the signatories to the statement stating that there was a sum of $80,000 that was returned to the federal government as unspent money in the previous year. Thank you.
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Nellie Cournoyea
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Mr. Speaker, I would like some clarification on what previous year. Specifically, which year are we talking about, Mr. Speaker?
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Titus Allooloo
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The previous fiscal year. Not this fiscal year; the previous one, 1993-94.
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At this point in time, I will take that question as notice and try to look into it. I assume that it's 1993-94, and in relation to the consultant that could have been hired. Thank you.
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Henry Zoe
North Slave
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. On February 22nd, I asked the Minister when he was anticipating the report of the MACA reorganization to be completed. At that time, he indicated that he anticipated a
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Kelvin Ng
Kitikmeot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The draft report has been submitted to the steering committee currently overseeing the report, and they expect to make their comments back to the consultants very shortly after the review which is taking place this week. Thank you.
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Henry Zoe
North Slave
Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, could I ask the Minister if he still anticipates that he will be tabling this report in early April, prior to us adjourning?
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'll endeavour to consult with the department and the steering committee to see what kind of time frame they are looking at now, but I can say that I intend to table the report before the House adjourns. Thank you.
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premier . Mr. Speaker, I've learned that reduced funding under the languages agreement with Heritage Canada will cut back French services in the Northwest Territories even more than aboriginal languages. I would like to ask the Premier if she and her government are open to receiving advice from L'Association Franco-Tenoise on how the GNWT's legal obligations to deliver French language services might be modified in light of the reduced funding now available. Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, we have in the past had continuing consultation with the association and continue to do so. If there is any help or direction that can be provided, we would be pleased to continue the working relationship. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm pleased to hear that but the president of L'Association Franco-Tenoise, Le Territoire du Nord-ouest, M. Daniel Cuerrier when interviewed by CBC recently, said that the GNWT was reluctant to come to the table. I would like to ask the Premier if her earlier answer means that she will make sure that such a meeting is convened to discuss these issues as soon as possible. Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, I'm not aware of any incident when the association has requested a meeting with myself or some of my officials where we have denied the request, and the practice will continue, as I indicated to the honourable Member. Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Justice and it has to do with the concept of electronic monitoring. The concept has been used with some success in, I think, four Canadian jurisdictions including the Yukon, and some American jurisdictions. My question to the Minister is, is the Minister looking at the possibility that, at least in some cases, it might be an alternative for offenders?
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Yes, Mr. Speaker, it may be.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It seems to be a conflicting answer -- yes and may be. So perhaps I could ask again. I think it's something that's worth pursuing. It seems to work in other jurisdictions and it seems to me it might fit into some of our community justice concepts here in the Northwest Territories. If I could, I would like to ask the Minister if he would give it a serious look and perhaps bring back to the House the results of his investigation.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I should clarify my first response. I said, yes, it's worth looking at and maybe it's worth pursuing. That's the context in which my response was made. We need to look at all the ideas and innovative approaches taken by other jurisdictions across this country, certainly in the United States, Australia and other parts of the world where people are dealing with overpopulation of inmates, staggering costs of incarceration and, even more importantly, more effective ways of dealing with offenders so they don't continue to offend.
We also have the need to find more cost-effective ways of incarcerating and providing relevant programs so we will be looking at these other measures and approaches taken by other governments in countries across the world and will be actively working to reduce costs significantly. I think, personally, that we need to do that, facing the fiscal reductions set by the federal government at this time. Thank you.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask a question of the Minister of Renewable Resources . Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Renewable Resources' department completed a study done by Peat Marwick, Stevenson & Kellogg on the fire management suppression report. This study cost this government $392,000. I would like to ask the Minister, does he plan to table the completed fire management suppression report?
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Silas Arngna'naaq
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had not planned to table the report. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can I ask the Minister why he doesn't plan to table the report after spending $392,000? Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that the report was intended to be a management tool whereby the department will be able to use the material in the
report to make decisions regarding forest fire management in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I've had constituents who have asked for this report to be tabled and I have a copy of it but I find it only appropriate if the government tables this report. The Minister indicated that it is to be used as a management tool by his department officials. Does the Minister not feel his department officials have the expertise to provide the proper advice for fire management suppression? Thank you.
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Silas Arngna'naaq
Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that the staff we have in the forest fire management
section of the department are very well qualified and have been working in this area for quite some time. However, with the hiring of the consultants, I believe it was the intent of the department to have an independent group who would be able to consult with all residents and all those who would be involved in forest fires in the Northwest Territories; to get their views and then be able to take the recommendations and be able to come up with a forest fire management strategy.
But I think that the department has gone further by taking a look at the report and consulting directly with communities at the same time, to try to come up with a strategy that will not cost the government the fiscal or financial resources that we used last year. I think that the report will be made very good use of by the forest fire centre in Fort Smith. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister, through you, whether or not he is going to plan to table this fire management suppression report in the near future.
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Silas Arngna'naaq
Kivallivik
Mr. Speaker, I had indicated earlier that it was not my intent to table the report. But I will take a look at it again. I am not, at this time, able to commit to say that I will table it in the House. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Allooloo .
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Question 332-12(7): GNWT's Policy On Out-of-community Medical Leave
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance about his department, which was Personnel. When a government employee's dependant is sick and requires a doctor's attention, if there are no babysitters or any other people to look after them, that employee is able to take special leave, with pay, to go and see the doctor. But I am told that if the dependant has to go outside the community, the same employee requiring a doctor's attention has to take annual leave. Is that true? Is that the government policy? Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
The Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .
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John Pollard
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice. Thank you.
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Question 333-12(7): Minister's Knowledge Re Principles Of Justice Agreement For Crime Victims
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Justice . Mr. Speaker, on Monday, March 6th, in reply to a question by Mr. Lewis , the Minister of Justice said that the government had to visit the question as to whether the state is responsible for victims of crime. He indicated that that was a very difficult philosophical question to address. The question was whether or not, at the time he made that response to Mr. Lewis , he was aware that the previous Minister of Justice had signed, on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories, the statements of basic principles of justice for victims of crime.
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Samuel Gargan
Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I was aware of that agreement. I was also aware that the federal government has entered into a great number of agreements, that they have long since left the scene, and have left this government holding the bag. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware that the federal government is backing away from many of its obligations. And, as I said in my Member's statement today, I think that it is inexcusable, but I don't think that it is any excuse for this government to back away from its responsibilities. Just a supplementary to the same Minister, does this now indicate that the government is considering backing away from these basic principles that the government had previously signed?
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Samuel Gargan
Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, in the social envelope where Ministers of certain departments are involved in social issues and are committed to the community wellness strategy, there is a commitment to discuss issues like this with, for instance, the Minister of Health and Social Services, in deciding what are the priorities of the community in partnership with the communities and the social action oriented organizations that we are in consultation with, in order to set the stage on where the very rapidly dwindling resources of this government should go in the future.
We have lots of principles that we believe in. Members know that we are all committed 100 per cent to the principle of aboriginal languages and we have, after years of wrangling on it, decided to put it to legislation, making financial commitments. Even those principles are being eroded at this time by the federal government reducing their financial commitments to them. In the face of those, I have to tell the Member that all commitments made by this government will have to be reviewed, because I do not believe that we can live up to all the principle we laid before ourselves.
We will be barely able, in the foreseeable future, to live up to commitments we have set ourselves in legislation and have committed to live up to. Thank you.
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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent .
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I find it troubling that it would appear that all of our principles might be subject to question. I guess, for clarity's sake, there is one that I would like to know about for certain, and that is, Mr. Speaker, could the Minister advise if the government will also be re-examining our commitment to the principle of zero tolerance for violence.
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Samuel Gargan
Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, it has always been my view that the first and most fundamental initiative that we have taken with zero tolerance is the verbal, personal commitment made by each of us individually as elected official, as elected leaders, as people set in responsibility by the public -- that means every mayor, every counsellor in this territory, it means every chief, every band counsellor, every Metis leader, every president of a metis local and all the members, it means every elected person -- as this country should make the commitment.
Once we have that basic tenet, we know by nature that a great number of offences will begin to drop, as the size of the public that have made the commitment starts to grow.
We have to build on that. It is up to the community organizations, the women's groups, the advocate groups, to tell us the community wellness strategy, where the priorities are in placing the dwindling available funds to do work in a social front, which includes the commitments we will make to zero tolerance. We have increasingly less money to do the work and it's up to this government, in partnership with these groups, to decide where our scarce dollars should go. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Allooloo .
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Question 334-12(7): Status Of Credit Unions In Nwt
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Titus Allooloo
Amittuq
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Economic Development a question. Some time ago we were talking about credit unions in the Northwest Territories and he told us he would do everything in his power to give them assistance. What is the status of the credit unions in the Northwest Territories?
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Samuel Gargan
Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Todd .
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is correct, we were going to make every effort we could to assist the Arctic co-ops to provide them with some seed funding to look at the possibility of opening credit unions. The current status is -- of course, due to the fact that the EDA arrangement which I'm trying to find the funding from has arbitrarily been cut by 50 per cent and that is going to cause us some problems -- we're still actively pursuing other possible funding, alternative options, to assist the ACL in their ongoing effort to establish credit unions in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Question 335-12(7): Policy For Ministers Awarding Sole-source Contracts
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question to the Premier . Does this government have a policy which allows Ministers to award sole-source contracts for the purpose of seeking information which does not fall within their ministerial responsibility or their ministerial mandate? Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Madam Premier .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I'll take that as notice. Thank you.
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The question is taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Dent .
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Question 336-12(7): GNWT's Involvement In Discussions Re Diamond Royalties
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 655
Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources . Mr. Speaker, recent articles in the press have indicated the federal government is reviewing the royalty regime for diamond mines and these same reports have indicated that BHP, the company thought most likely to proceed with a mine in the new future, is opposed to any change in the royalty regime. Has the Government of the Northwest Territories been involved in discussing diamond royalties with the federal government?
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Samuel Gargan
Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources , Mr. Todd .
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