Debates of March 1st, 2005

This is page numbers 1631 - 1674 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Protection Against Family Violence Act

Support To The Traditional Economy

Canada Northwest Fasd Partnership Ministers' Meeting

Municipal Status Of Fort Simpson

Justice Budget Reductions In Hay River

Appointment To The Workers' Compensation Board Appeals Tribunal

"crack Busters" Crack Cocaine Outpatient Treatment Program

Ministerial Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Centre

Municipal Property Tax Arrears

Yellowknife Association For Community Living's Respite Care Program

Chief Johnny D. Charlie Memorial Snowmobile Trip

Appointment To The WCB Appeals Tribunal

Capital Health Authority Services

Savings By Closure Of Hay River Remand Unit

Knowledge Of Issues At North Slave Correctional Centre

Outstanding Tax Arrears In Fort Resolution

Healthy Eating In Our Schools

Plans For Yellowknife Respite Program

Issues With Air Carrier Service In Fort Simpson

Independent Review Of The Department Of Justice

Taxation Assessment Process For Communities

Legislation For Healthy Eating In Schools

Plans For Recent Northern Medical Graduates

Written Question 77-15(3): Return Of Federal Funding

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Committee Motion 25-15(3) Recommendation To Accelerate The Planning Of A Gymnasium For Nahanni Butte

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. It's nice to see some of you are all refreshed and awake after that get-active walk we had today. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 99-15(3): Protection Against Family Violence Act

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to update the House on the implementation of the Protection Against Family Violence Act.

This important legislation will come into force on April 1st. It provides a new choice for people who are experiencing family violence. Family members can get an emergency protection order any time of the day or night in only a few hours. This gives people help right away without having to go to court. The emergency protection order is granted by a designated justice and if the abusive person breaches the order, the police can help.

A judge will review the order within three days to make sure it is appropriate. If the judge has questions about the order, he or she might ask the people involved to come to a hearing to tell their sides of the story. An emergency protection order can last up to 90 days and if the person still needs protection, they can hire a lawyer and go to court to ask for a protection order which lasts longer.

The department's first priority is to train RCMP officers and family violence counsellors at Alison McAteer House since they will be assisting people with applications. This training will take place March 7th and 8th. In April, the department's family violence coordinator will begin visiting communities to train key referral sources such as social workers, nurses and people who work for community organizations like shelters.

Advertising for this new choice will begin on April 1st, the day it becomes available. There will be newspaper, radio and TV ads, booklets info-cards and posters. As well, people who are trained as community helpers will have small signs on their desks to indicate that they can help people who are suffering from abuse. The signs will say "Let's Talk" and will have the same images as the posters and other printed materials.

This has been a collaborative process between Justice, Health and Social Services, the RCMP, local social workers and non-government organizations like the YWCA and the Native Women's Association. I'm looking forward to seeing the results of their hard work. I know that together, we can make our communities safer for people suffering from family violence in any of its forms. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Minister's Statement 100-15(3): Support To The Traditional Economy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, the Legislative Assembly's vision for a diversified economy includes a traditional economy capable of creating and maintaining a livelihood and healthy lifestyle for those residents who choose to participate in it.

Today I would like to highlight some of the significant achievements made to support this important economic sector during the past year.

Last year, the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development implemented revisions to the Fur Marketing Program. Elements of this program include:

• a guaranteed advance for all fur harvested by trappers in the NWT;

• a prime fur bonus payable to the trapper if fur is sold at auction for a value equal to or greater than the advance; and

• a grubstake program for eligible trappers at the start of each season to defray a portion of start-up costs.

---Applause

The advances are based upon market estimates for fur prices at auction. Last year, 80 percent of the fur sold through this program resulted in bonus payments to trappers.

This means trappers are bringing in prime pelts that have been properly handled to meet auction requirements. It also shows that prices set under this program accurately reflect market conditions.

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to report that the program combined with sale proceeds generated $1.2 million for trappers in the Northwest Territories.

---Applause

This is an increase of almost $250,000 over previous years.

All indications point to another good year for trappers. Market conditions are excellent with prices stabilizing or increasing, especially for sealskins, marten, beaver and lynx where demand is exceeding supply. This trend is expected to continue with the growth of demand in the Asia Pacific market.

We continue to support our trappers with annual trapper workshops each fall to demonstrate new techniques and technology in the fur trade. This month, Mr. Speaker, a special series of workshops on wolf pelt handling techniques is being held in four communities. These workshops will help trappers obtain higher prices for wolf pelts sent to auction. Roger Catling and Miranda Cassaway of Fort Reliance are leading the workshops. These two individuals are recognized by fur auction houses for their consistent supply of high quality wolf pelts.

Trapper training and land life skills programs are being offered in each region this winter for new trappers and young people, both in and outside the school systems. These programs assist in the transfer of skills and encourage young people to consider trapping as a viable seasonal career choice.

Mr. Speaker, this government recognizes the important contributions our harvesters make to their communities and traditional cultures. We want to ensure their special skills and knowledge are passed onto future generations so they can continue the role of caretakers and monitors of our land and wildlife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 100-15(3): Support To The Traditional Economy

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister's Statement 101-15(3): Canada Northwest Fasd Partnership Ministers' Meeting

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past weekend I attended the Canada Northwest Fetal Alcohol Spectrum Disorder Partnership, FASD, meeting of northern and western Ministers in Victoria.

The partnership, established in 1998, is comprised of B.C., the three prairie provinces and the three territories. It represents an alliance of jurisdictions working towards the development and promotion of an inter-provincial/territorial approach to prevention, intervention, care and support of individuals affected by FASD.

The partnership has identified four specific areas of strategic focus:

• research and evaluation

• government leadership

• community capacity

• federal relations

Mr. Speaker, we know that FASD is 100 percent preventable. Therefore, it is critical that awareness and prevention activities continue to be developed and pursued, and individuals be given the support they need to make healthy choices.

Last fall, the partnership established a research network to coordinate research and development, specifically in the four western provinces and three territories. The intention is to compile evidence-based information that will guide progressive, inclusive policy, ultimately better the lives of individuals and families affected by the disorder.

What this means for the NWT is that we will be able to influence and have access to FASD research that is relevant to the NWT, taking into account northern, rural and aboriginal perspectives.

This past weekend was the inaugural meeting of the board of directors for the research network. The board is comprised of 15 members, including leading FASD and health care experts from each of the jurisdictions. Dr. Sterling Clarren, an internationally recognized expert in FASD, has been hired to lead the network as the CEO and scientific director.

As the network begins its work, it will be visiting each jurisdiction in the coming months to assess the public's priorities with respect to FASD.

At the same time as we are meeting, there was a major FASD conference being held, including participants from across Canada. I had an opportunity to sit in for part of the proceedings, including a presentation by a Cree judge from Saskatchewan who talked passionately about her experience in seeing daily in her court, the impacts of FASD on people's lives. It was a stark reminder that we must all work together to better understand and address this disorder, as it has far-reaching implications, including impacts on the justice system, education system, housing and homelessness.

Mr. Speaker, FASD affects about nine in every 1,000 children born in Canada each year and is the result of permanent brain damage. The work of the partnership will contribute to the prevention of FASD and to better the lives of individuals affected by this disorder. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Municipal Status Of Fort Simpson

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it has been over a week now since I last spoke about the unfair treatment of Fort Simpson as a tax-based community. The village has been losing out on formula financing and now stands to lose out on the new deal for community governments because it has been wrongly lumped in with larger municipalities who have the ability to raise substantial property taxes. This is not a governance issue, Mr. Speaker; it's a funding issue. When it comes to funding, it makes more sense for Fort Simpson to be treated like a hamlet.

Mr. Speaker, the Minister spoke about this being a problem that only goes back a few years, but I can assure him that Fort Simpson has struggled with its financial viability off and on for decades, ever since it became a

tax-based community. The GNWT's corporate memory may have failed, but long-time residents of Fort Simpson remember the history well. This is an old issue and it's time it was resolved. There is just no way that 130 ratepayers can be expected to keep a village running. A $40 million tax base is never going to be adequate and the 10-year projections are that it is not going to grow all that much. Everyone knows this. Otherwise, why aren't Tuktoyaktuk and Rae-Edzo municipal taxing authorities? Those are the communities Fort Simpson should be compared to, not Hay River, Inuvik, Norman Wells, Fort Smith and Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, I understand that the Minister is now reviewing the report his department commissioned to look into the village's funding. I hope his review will soon be over and would urge him to keep this at the top of his priority list so that we can see some movement on this in the near future.

There has been a lot of talk on this for a long time and the time for talking is over. I look forward to his actions. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Municipal Status Of Fort Simpson

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Justice Budget Reductions In Hay River

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have been told that it's difficult for people to understand what has transpired in Hay River with respect to Justice and corrections facilities. So today I want to provide a brief

summary of why I find it necessary to challenge the Minister of Justice and the information he's providing with respect to these proposed closures.

In an effort to address budget reduction targets in departments, the Department of Justice proposed savings by the closure of the Dene K'onia Young Offenders Facility and the closure of the remand unit at the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre and the closure of the Hay River court registries. The planned closure of the court registries in Inuvik has since been reversed.

The Dene K'onia Young Offenders Facility employees 12 full-time and 10 casual employees. The stated savings to the government is $1.5 million. It accommodated open custody young offenders from anywhere in the territory. At any given time, those in care might have been from Yellowknife, the Delta or the South Slave and it has operated at near capacity. Since the completion of the North Slave Correctional Centre and the adjoining young offenders facility, it was decided that it would be cheaper to accommodate open custody young offenders in Yellowknife; thus, the planned closure in Hay River.

The young offenders service was in Hay River long before the North Slave facility was built for $50 million, but now that is good justification to save $1.5 million. Do the math on that one, Mr. Speaker.

I have numerous issues with this plan, but let me clarify just a couple of those reasons. The Minister has repeatedly stated that it's less expensive to operate in Yellowknife. Since the Minister asserts that the $1.5 million saved is a net savings, my question was how much does it cost to take care of those same eight young offenders in Yellowknife. I think that's a reasonable question. The impacts of closing Dene K'onia to Hay River and the employees are very significant. Therefore, it's my responsibility to challenge and question the Minister and it's his job to defend his decisions.

It's not good enough to say he doesn't know how many youth are in the facility and it is certainly not good enough to garner support and buy-in by stating misleading numbers such as 22 staff caring for one or two kids.

The same principles apply to information about the closure of the remand unit in Hay River. If it's based purely on economics, as the Minister stated, then I want to know the numbers and data that went into those economics. Again, I find it hard to accept that the net savings is $400,000 per year.

When I asked how that number was arrived at in relation to transport, Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Justice Budget Reductions In Hay River

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays, Mrs. Groenewegen . You may conclude your statement.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. Again, I find it hard to accept that the net savings is $400,000 per year. When I have asked how that number was arrived at in relation to transportation costs, the deployment of RCMP to escort prisoners and the cost of providing the service in Yellowknife, I have not gotten those answers. I have been waiting since question period on Friday to get statistics about utilization numbers and those numbers still haven't been provided.

If these closures were carefully analyzed prior to these decisions being made, then those numbers should be readily available. So, Mr. Speaker, it's a cop-out on the part of the Minister to tell the media yesterday that my statements in this House are because I am unhappy and angry with the cuts in my constituency.

That goes without saying and it's beside the point, Mr. Speaker. The point is I want answers to reasonable questions and it's my job to ask them. Unless we have entered a new era of unaccountable and non-transparent government, it's his job to answer those questions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

----Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Appointment To The Workers' Compensation Board Appeals Tribunal

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. One of the prime responsibilities that we have as the Legislative Assembly and Cabinet of the Northwest Territories is to ensure that the boards and agencies and commissions that we establish are there for the continuance of good governance and good practice. Over the years, Mr. Speaker, this government has established well over 100 different agencies, boards and commissions and they affect many, many different walks of life. The

appointments that are made to these organizations are at the discretion of the Ministers in their various portfolios.

One of the most critical groups that we have in our mandate to continue good governance is the Workers' Compensation Board. There are a few different levels of appointments involved in here and, Mr. Speaker, it has come to my attention that an appointment that was recently made to the Appeals Tribunal of the Workers' Compensation Board was not done appropriately. A vacancy occurred in terms of representing a labour representative on the Appeals Tribunal, Mr.

Speaker, but the Minister chose, in this case, to not follow the input of labour organizations in the Northwest Territories, a condition which is stipulated in the act. My understanding, Mr. Speaker, is that a private businessperson from the Northwest Territories was appointed to this very critical post.

Mr. Speaker, integrity and trust in these agencies is absolutely essential to the conduct, as I have stated, of our mandate to ensure that governance continues along the highest levels. In this case, Mr. Speaker, it appears to be the failure of our government to adhere to those principles. This is not a situation I believe we should tolerate and it should be challenged. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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"crack Busters" Crack Cocaine Outpatient Treatment Program

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I had the opportunity to attend the Social Programs committee meeting and take in a presentation of the Crack Busters program that is offered in the city of Yellowknife. It was a very informative meeting and I would like to thank the committee for hosting the meeting and the Salvation Army and the Tree of Peace addictions counsellors, as well as the men enrolled in the Crack Busters program, for taking the time to talk to us about the program and the insidious nature of crack cocaine.

Mr. Speaker, at this meeting, I learned that crack cocaine is not like the other drugs that we have had to deal with in the Northwest Territories up to this point. Unlike other drugs that have a physical addiction, crack cocaine is a psychological addiction. It works on your mind. It's all you think about and you just want to find that first high you got the first time you tried it. You can try it once and get hooked. Guess what, Mr. Speaker? The drug dealers love that. They love it so much, they would give out free samples because they know you will be back to buy more.

They know you will sell everything you own, you will destroy your marriage, and you will steal from your friend's family or your workplace to buy some.

Back in November, I attended a meeting with 200 people who came out to talk on the drug problem in Inuvik. When the talk turned to drug dealers, all I can say, Mr. Speaker, is that with the mood of the crowd it's a good thing that no one brought a rope. The Crack Busters program has been running in Yellowknife since last September. It appears to be a success. The Tree of Peace and the Salvation Army are to be commended for their support and championing of this program.

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

The people who have taken the program are to be commended for recognizing their problem and taking action. I wish them good luck in conquering their addiction.

What I find interesting, Mr. Speaker, is that this program is up and running with no support from the government or its agencies. It shows that a community can find its own solution to a problem.

I strongly encourage the government and the health and social services authorities to look at the Crack Busters program. It may not fit their present policies, but it certainly fits into the government's vision of people taking responsibility for their own lives.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

In closing, I will be bringing back information to Inuvik on the Crack Busters program, to see if it can be adapted to our needs in the Delta. Make no mistake, Mr. Speaker, the drug dealers will only be about 20 minutes behind the pipeline workers.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. McLeod, your time for your Member's statement has expired.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you, colleagues. Make no mistake, Mr. Speaker, the drug dealers will only be about 20 minutes behind the pipeline workers. All residents will need to be vigilant in protecting their families and in helping the RCMP. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Ministerial Responsibility For North Slave Correctional Centre

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement today is about ministerial responsibility. Ministerial responsibility is a convention within certain democratic systems that defines ultimate accountability within government. According to the tenets of ministerial responsibility, Ministers are responsible for the actions of their department. This means if a department has been found responsible for a major misjudgement, responsibility falls on the Minister, regardless of whether he/she was involved or even aware of the situation. The assumption is that that is the Minister's job, to be aware and responsive to what is going on within his/her own department.

Mr. Speaker, yesterday, I asked the Minister of Justice to take responsibility for the human resource problems out at North Slave Correctional Centre. I asked him to offer an apology to the employees who endured the appalling treatment from management. All the while at the ministerial level, there was a complete denial of any wrongdoing or problems whatsoever. Even now that an internal review has made it clear that significant problems existed, the Minister still refuses to apologize. Not only is that an insult to correctional workers, it's an insult to all Northwest Territories residents who have to foot the bill for this debacle. It is a substantial bill, Mr. Speaker.

Together with some colleagues on this side of the House, I have previously asked the Minister to provide actual figures to account for the cost of mismanagement. In many cases, the government won't provide these actual figures, citing protection of privacy and confidentiality. We do know that the Department of Justice spent $216,395 on overtime for the period of one year leading up to May 31, 2004, and between June 1, 2004, and September 30, 2004, they spent another $243,913 on overtime.

From this we can see the department spent more on overtime for that three-month period than the normal costs for an entire year. My simple calculations estimate approximately $400,000, for the three of the nine wrongful dismissal suits that required compensation.

We will never know the entire cost of the abuse of sick leave, stress leave and extended medical leave, but my estimation puts this figure at about $500,000.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Mr. Ramsay , your time for Member's statement has expired.

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Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The cost of the review of the corporate human resources was probably $200,000, the cost of Corrections Canada help in implementing the recommendations that came from the report and their ongoing support would be, at the very least, $150,000. If you add these costs up, it totals over $1.5 million, Mr. Speaker.

In addition to his official response in the House that there were no problems out at North Slave Correctional Centre, he repeatedly told me that there were many happy employees at North Slave Correctional Centre and that the review would prove that nothing was wrong.

My point, Mr. Speaker, is that the Minister refuses to take responsibility for what went on at North Slave Correctional Centre under his watch. The Minister should pay attention to the fact that, as a government, we have spent at least $1.5 million as a direct result of the management decisions at North Slave Correctional Centre. Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the Minister questions at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Municipal Property Tax Arrears

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to talk about the sensitive issue of outstanding property taxes that many communities are working to address and find a resolution or a plan that is mutually acceptable by all parties affected.

This issue has always been met with very little action or no headway being made by this government to do justice. Now it has been outstanding for at least 10 years, Mr. Speaker.

Mr. Speaker, the new deal for the Northwest Territories community governments is being rolled out and the implementation of the program will commence in one month and continue over the next four years. This government's new deal does not make any reference to this important outstanding issue or how it fits into the new deal initiative, even though many communities still have grave concerns with how this should be addressed or resolved.

One main concern, Mr. Speaker, is that as we sit and talk about the reasons for the delays and lack of progress in developing a plan to address these concerns, because of the sensitive nature of the topic, this interest is still accumulating every day on these outstanding property tax accounts. Mr. Speaker, besides all the stress and anxiety this issue creates, especially with the elders and the new homeowners, this also has detrimental effects to people's credit ratings and their ability to borrow money from any financial institutions.

Mr. Speaker, I fully support the new deal initiative and look forward to achieving more independent, strong, autonomous communities through this project. But I also support healthy communities and building individual self-esteem and self-respect amongst my constituents. If the issue of outstanding property taxes is left with the communities to deal with on behalf of the Department of Finance, with the new deal rolled out, the people are going to approach it with the same level of apathy and disdain as they do with many government plans put before them. I will be asking the Minister responsible for this department, some questions during question period today. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Yellowknife Association For Community Living's Respite Care Program

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was inspired by very compelling correspondence I received from a constituent of mine. I would like to speak today in support of the Yellowknife Association for Community Living respite service...

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Some Hon. Members

Hear, hear!

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

...currently funded by the GNWT Department of Health and Social Services.

Mr. Speaker, the goal of the respite services is to provide safe individual lives and flexible respite support to

families, as well as offer children and adults with disabilities more opportunities for inclusion in community activities.

It is an essential support service that provides planned relief for parents, families and the people with disabilities that they care for. Such relief is necessary in order to decrease burnout, stress and family breakdown. It also helps families provide the best possible support and care to their loved ones with disabilities, and it ensures that people with disabilities experience a high quality of life.

Mr. Speaker, I have long been a supporter of this program and I was very happy to see it get started over a year ago. It has been in service since December 2003, and I understand that currently there are 15 families in Yellowknife who are able to access this, but there are about 11 families who are on a waiting list.

Mr. Speaker, I need to quote a letter from a constituent of mine, who said, "The respite services have greatly enriched the lives of my family members. It is difficult to imagine returning to life without this invaluable service. Our respite worker was matched with my family, based on our specific needs, goals and preferences. I feel confident leaving my loved one with our highly-trained and caring respite worker."

As a single parent of a special needs child, Mr. Speaker, he says that he couldn't really have a normal life without this kind of service. I would just like to join my constituent in thanking the Department of Health and Social Services and the Yellowknife Association for Community Living for providing this service. I would like to take this opportunity to urge the Minister to not only maintain the service, but to expand it so those on the waiting list could access it and that this program is made available in other communities as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Chief Johnny D. Charlie Memorial Snowmobile Trip

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a group of some 32 people will be travelling to Fort McPherson by snowmobile tomorrow morning to take

part in the 7th Annual Johnny D. Charlie Memorial Snowmobile Trip. This trip is made each year in memory of the late Chief Johnny D. Charlie of Fort McPherson.

Johnny D. Charlie made this trip frequently, first by dog team and later each year by snowmobile. After this death in 1998, his family decided to continue making the trip in memory of their father and to keep his dream alive, by way of teaching our younger people the traditional trails as well as keeping close communication ties with the family in Old Crow.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to wish all the people taking the trip all the best and be safe and enjoy God's country. At this time, I would like to thank the students and staff of the Natural Resources Program in Inuvik who are also taking

part in this trip. To them, too, I wish them all the best.

Mr. Speaker, this trip takes the traveller over the traditional trails by way of Fort McPherson over the Yukon border, over the Richardson Mountains, down the Bell River and down the Porcupine River to Old Crow. This trip will take approximately five days and will be definitely one of the longest skidoo trips we've been on, from the experience I have had taking this trip a few times. Again, Mr. Speaker, I wish them all the best and enjoy their trip. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to welcome any visitors who are in the gallery today to observe our proceedings. It is always nice to have somebody watching our proceedings in the House. Welcome.

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Paul Delorey

Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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Question 505-15(3): Appointment To The WCB Appeals Tribunal

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, my questions this afternoon are for Mr. Krutko , the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board and in his capacity as the Minister who ultimately makes appointments to boards. In my Member's statement, I outlined my understanding of the recent appointment to the Appeals Tribunal, which was a vacancy that should have been designated to a representative of workers and that the individual that was ultimately appointed was not an individual who was recognized by that sector. I would like the Minister to explain why he chose to ignore the advice of workers, as stipulated in the act. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . The honourable Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there have been vacancies on the Appeals Tribunal, but we have been filling those vacancies by way of appointments. The Member sort of touches on one area, but there are also vacancies in the areas of employee representatives. There is a public interest representative. There is also the worker's representative, and also to ensure we have balance. We also realize that this board represents Nunavut and the Northwest Territories. In order to get that balance, you have to make decisions to ensure you have geographical makeup on this board.

So, again, that is basically the appointments that have been out there. With those vacancies that are being filled, it is through an application-based program. In most cases, they are appointed in those categories; not only the worker's representative, like the Member has mentioned.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, the Minister points out some valid areas there. The sharing of our board with Nunavut puts that extra stipulation on us, but I would come back to the act. Those are the rules that this House set and that workers and employers have agreed to. It says that the Minister shall appoint members on the recommendation of representatives of workers. The vacancy was for that spot. Why didn't the Minister follow the advice of workers and appoint a member that they felt they should see on their board? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the act is clear with regard to those appointments. Again, the final decision is with the Minister, based on the applications received. If someone does not accept the idea that someone is appointed, all positions have been filled on those vacancies that I mentioned including the worker's representative, which has been appointed. Again, to ensure the Member we have fairness and consistency, this board has to be made up of a reflection of the Northwest Territories and Nunavut. It can't be simply all the people appointed out of Yellowknife.

That is one of the reasons that we are hearing these complaints. Again, we have to have representation geographically throughout Nunavut and the Northwest Territories.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, is the Minister suggesting that we should rewrite the act to look after the geography instead of the interests of the prime stakeholders on this board, who are workers and employers? How are we going to maintain the trust and the integrity of those people in this board if we don't follow the rules that we have here?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, we do have a vibrant economy. We have different segments of the economy. We have to realize the segments in the mining economy. We have employee representatives who represent people in the different segments. Again, those appointments are based on applications that I receive. I review the application to make sure they fit the criteria that is mentioned and make the appointment. That is the process that is out there. Again, I would just like to make it clear; the legislation is clear, the Minister makes the appointment.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Final supplementary, Mr. Braden .

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

The Minister makes the appointment and there has to be accountability at that level, but I have to come back to the expectation of the prime stakeholders. They have been ignored. What is the Minister going to say to a worker who goes to file an appeal and that worker does not see someone who he has the faith and the trust in there that will represent his interests? What is the Minister going to say to that worker?

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that is exactly the reason that we have a board appointed; to have a balance so that we have people representing the different interest groups, but also ensuring that those people bring with their experience a fair appeals decision that you know, at the end of the day, those people will make good decisions and that we won't have decisions disputed. Again, those people who have been appointed, I have faith in them to allow their name to stand for appointment to this board. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 506-15(3): Capital Health Authority Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . I am just curious, Mr. Speaker, about our arrangement with Alberta; I believe it is the Capital Health Authority. What type of reciprocal arrangement do we have? Thank you very much.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have a long-term contract with Capital Health Authority that is negotiated. It is for services that we don't provide in the Northwest Territories. It covers a range of services. Referrals are done from the regions and the authorities through Stanton and then to the South, if it's determined that the services provided there are necessary and can be provided in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I'm bringing this up because of some of my constituents in Fort Liard. The arrangement we have is they actually travel by taxi to Fort Simpson then fly over to Yellowknife for treatment. Then if there are special needs, they are flown down to Edmonton. It makes sense to them if they could get their treatment or initial visits done in Fort

Nelson, which is in B.C. Mr. Speaker, my question is do we have such an arrangement with the Province of British Columbia?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, our main arrangement is with the Capital Health Authority in Edmonton. There may be occasion where there is use of B.C. services, but the key for us is that we have Stanton, which is staffed with a number of doctors and specialists and it's the primary facility for tertiary care in the Northwest Territories. Clearly it makes only good sense to us that we use our own northern services that we're paying for first, before we send people south. Thank you.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand the Minister's comment about it making sense, but it also makes sense to go get your treatment or initial visit at a community that is a two-hour drive away, rather than going the round about way of taking a taxi, driving to Fort Simpson, then flying to Yellowknife. Actually what you're doing is just getting an initial visit to set up the real visit two months later. So can we not get this type of checkup or service done in, say, Fort Nelson, which is the closest community to Fort Liard that offers these services, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Member's concern and what I'll commit to do is I'll talk to the department and we'll get in touch with the Deh Cho Health Authority and I'll just make sure I'm very conversant on the detailed arrangements they do have. But I can tell you, we've had this concern raised in other jurisdictions that are close to northern Alberta. The key for us is if we're not going to invest in our northern resources, then it makes it even more expensive to run them.

We've had circumstances in the past where there was considerable flying over to Stanton, to the point where we were paying for over 1,000 bed-nights in the Capital Health Authority when the service could have been provided at Stanton. So keeping those considerations in mind, I'll follow up on that issue. Thank you.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister's commitment. I think that's all the residents of Fort Liard are looking for, is that if it's just going to be a quick visit, why am I going to Yellowknife when I can just go to Fort Nelson and be back home the same day? If I can get the Minister's commitment to at least get his officials to look at that and see the sense of it all. Thank you.

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Question 507-15(3): Savings By Closure Of Hay River Remand Unit

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today my questions are for the Minister of Justice and I would like to talk about the alleged $400,000 net savings by the closure of the six-bed remand unit in the Hay River South Mackenzie Correctional Centre. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has indicated in communications that this savings will be realized in this budget year, in this fiscal year coming up, and yet the representations to MLAs and to others is that these savings will be realized by attrition; and also that the employees will be integrated into the general workforce. I'd like to ask him what exactly that means. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One thing, before I answer the Member's question; I'd like to point out that I have not said that 22 staff were caring for one or two kids at Dene K'onia. I've always agreed with the Member that there is a staff of 14 full-time employees plus some casuals.

The Member asked about the remand facility and how the savings would take place. At any given time at the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre, on pretty well every shift there will be some casual employees who will be brought in. What would happen after the remand unit is closed down is that the full-time staff would be worked into the full-time complement at South Mackenzie Correctional Centre and there would be fewer casual staff called in on an ongoing basis. So the reductions would start immediately, because the casual staff would not be called in. The full-time staff would cover off more of the operation of the facility.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So not calling in casual staff then constitutes the loss of positions through attrition. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

No, Mr. Speaker, I was answering as to how the savings would start immediately. The loss of positions through attrition is that, over time, the full-time complement at SMCC will be reduced to what it is right now, exclusive of the positions which are dedicated to remand.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So right now, today, at the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre, if there's a position vacant, will that position automatically not be filled in order to attain this loss of positions by attrition? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That would be a likely situation, yes. Although I can't speak for a position that might be open today, that would be the way it would be handled in the future for positions that become vacant. They wouldn't necessarily become filled until the full-time staff complement was reduced by the five people that will be added into the full-time staff complement.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are about 15 different types of workers at the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre. Is Mr. Dent suggesting that if any of those positions become open they may not be refilled to achieve this loss of jobs through attrition, or would that only be corrections officer positions? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It would have to apply to positions that the people who were affected could fill. So it wouldn't apply necessarily to all positions, no. It would be positions that were specific to the training and capability of the people who were on staff. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 508-15(3): Knowledge Of Issues At North Slave Correctional Centre

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask the Minister of Justice a few questions today in regard to my Member's statement about ministerial responsibility. I'd like to ask the Minister the first question; that is, why didn't the Minister of Justice know what was going on at the North Slave Correctional Centre? He had the Regular Members asking him questions and he had numbers from his own department backing up the fact that there were substantial problems there, and I'm wondering why he didn't know what was going on at North Slave Correctional Centre. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today, in his Member's statement, the Member talked about ministerial responsibility and I can't quibble with anything he said in terms of what goes along with ministerial responsibility, and I accept that I am responsible for any issues that happen within the departments for which I am responsible. Mr. Speaker, the corrections human resources review and report clearly confirmed that there were human resource problems that went back some time. Some of the issues identified, in fact, go back well before I was appointed Minister for the department.

When concerns started to be raised after my appointment, I felt at the time that it was reasonable to believe that the change in the function for the operations and that the impending move from one facility to another were part of the issues that were causing the problems. Knowing the results of the review; clearly, I am sorry that I didn't order a review to take place sooner.

Just to the Member's point in his statement as well, yesterday he asked if I would apologize, and I used the word "regrettable." I meant to use the word "regret" which does mean the same as an apology. So, yes, I am sorry that the problems developed to the level that they did. Clearly the report that was done has identified that there were issues. Clearly we should have moved on them more quickly and, Mr. Speaker, some of them go back to well before my time. But that said, since the report has come out, I have moved very quickly to address the issues that have been identified. We are going to address all of them all with the staff involved. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for his admission here today. One thing I didn't hear the Minister say was an apology to the employees at North Slave Correctional Centre. I know he's sorry for what took place, but it wasn't directed at the employees and that's the group of folks who are in need of an apology. So if I could ask the Minister for an apology to the employees of the North Slave Correctional Centre. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think we're almost splitting hairs here. I said that I was sorry that the problems developed to the level they had. Clearly, I'm sorry for what was identified as problems in the human resources review and report. That talks explicitly to staff not only at the North Slave Correctional Centre, but at other centres as well. So I think I've already done as the Member has asked. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are to the Minister of Finance with respect to the outstanding property taxes that are going to be coming around for another year now, Mr. Speaker. The letters of the notice of assessment to owners are going to be coming out this April to all these outstanding property tax owners. Of course, everybody's interests are going to be accumulating taxes. The outstanding amounts are going to go up by another $50,000, I'm sure. I just wanted to ask the Minister of Finance if the department has taken any action or made any recommendations on how they're going to address this outstanding concern. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . The honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the area of the tax arrears in the community the Member is speaking about, we have, as the Department of Finance, tried to work with the community, worked with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and the Member to try to come up with a solution or a way of trying to deal with the issue. There were a number of meetings held to try and get an updated assessment of all the properties.

Once we have that assessment, then we will be able to evaluate, in fact, if some properties were being over-taxed, so to speak, as well as if there may be some areas that are under-assessed in areas. But our goal initially is to go in, have an assessment done to ensure that the rates or amount of taxes being charged are accurate. From that work, then we can go and decide if there needs to be changes to what was being held in arrears. Unfortunately, those meetings didn't pan out.

We had requested to go in and, in fact, there were a number of calls as late as September, an opportunity to go in and do some assessments. There was no agreement to the timing of that and we haven't moved on that initiative. We're hoping that we can still set up a time to go in and do some updated assessments in that community. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I commend the Minister for trying, I guess, to resolve the issue, because I think I heard "try" about five times in that response.

I guess I wanted to ask the Minister, have there been any discussions with the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs about how this issue can be dealt with at the community level and with the effects that these communities are going to feel with the burden of these outstanding property tax issues breathing down their necks, the Department of Finance breathing down the community's neck when this new deal rolls out and the communities assume responsibility for their property taxation issues.

I'm just wondering what discussions are going on between the Minister of Finance and the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs and with the communities that are affected with these outstanding issues. Has there been any progress to date? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the first area we're working on is to ensure the transition from where we are today with our existing tax structure and to transition to the new community deal, is to ensure that process moves smoothly. For example, in the upcoming year of 2005-06 what will happen is the communities will get a grant of the taxes collected in that community. So the taxes that are collected, that community will get a grant for those. So if the taxes are not collected, then that would reduce the amount of grant they would receive.

Following that, in 2006-07 the plan is with the same situation to issue a grant to that community, based on the taxes collected. As well, in that year of 2006-07, a community can request an increase to the mill rate and we will apply that increase. In 2007-08, the full transfer will happen where the municipality can set its own mill rate and start its collection process. The arrears portion is under review. We haven't come up with a solution yet. Thank you.

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So I guess the bottom line is these community governments are going to receive this tax revenue and they're going to be receiving a grant-in-lieu of these taxes that are supposedly collected and administered by the territorial government. But the territorial government hasn't collected any taxes yet and they're still having a hard time collecting anything out of these communities. Is the government just passing the buck on to the community level and saying, well, we can't collect the taxes so you might as well collect the taxes?

We still have the issue of the outstanding taxes, not to mention the taxes for the upcoming years of 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008 when this new deal rolls out. How is a community's financial status going to be able to stand if they are just handed a $160,000 outstanding bill from the government saying you have to collect taxes for the next 20 years and it all comes back to the government, or they just don't get any grants?

What is the government going to do to ensure that the communities are going to get a fair deal and a new deal with reference to their outstanding arrears? How is the Department of Finance going to address that?

---Applause

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, let's make sure that the understanding from people out there is correct. There are taxes being collected. Not all of the properties are in arrears. There are 315 assessed properties in that community; 92 of them are private; about 41 are in arrears. So there are people paying taxes, businesses paying taxes, and those monies collected will go to the community. On the arrears side, we still have to work with Municipal and Community Affairs and the government overall to see how we would deal with that situation.

On an ongoing basis, as the act sits now, we are, on an annual basis, sending out the tax notice of what's being owed and the arrears. That is in legislation; we do that every year and it causes some grief at this time of year. But we've tried to open the door to finding some solutions and we can't find it on our own; the community is going to have to work with us on this. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Roland . Final supplementary, Mr. Villeneuve .

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister is not short in saying that it does cause a lot of grief in communities. I just want to get the Minister to maybe put some constituents' minds at ease. I know over the last few years they have mentioned to myself and told me to tell my constituents that the letter that they get from FMBS, or the Department of Finance, which basically states that your property may be offered for sale at a public auction, pursuant to the PATA, should you not remit your outstanding property taxes.

In the past I've had recommendations saying to just tell my constituents to disregard the letter; it's just part of the Property Assessment Taxation Act, the Finance Act, that we have to send out this letter. But a lot of people don't...

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Do you have a question, Mr. Villeneuve ? Do you have a question?

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

My question is, can the Minister tell all the people that are going to be receiving this notice that it is okay to put it aside or just put it in the garbage, because obviously...

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Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . I'll allow the Minister to answer that question. Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess if I were to say that, then all over the North people would be throwing their tax filing notice into the garbage bin. I cannot say that. The notice goes out, it lists the value of the taxes that are attached to that property, and the arrears. At some point we're going to have to move on this. We're going to have to act. The government has been trying to work with them in the situation of those arrears. At one point we had sat back, because there was a court case that was going forward that may have affected the government's ability to collect on tax arrears with First Nations.

That has now concluded. In fact, it has been proven, as a government, that we have the authority to collect those taxes. Now we have to work with the community and ensure that we come up with some arrangement that is workable. So our door is open to work out that arrangement. The arrears have to go out on an annual basis. We don't have a plan to go in there and clear out a bunch people and sell those properties, but we have to work with them. At some point somebody is going to have to act on that.

In tax-based municipalities in this day, if somebody is in arrears, it's that community council that acts on that, not the GNWT. So at some point we're going to have to clear that up and hopefully we can work an arrangement out with the community. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I'd like to ask questions in regard to healthy eating, because I truly think healthy eating is everyone's business in this Assembly. Mr. Speaker, more specifically, I am bringing the attention to this cause regarding the kids and their healthy eating. My questions will be directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services about what are we truly doing about getting healthy eating into our schools. Mr. Speaker, I could speak about endless statistics, but simply I'll start off by saying what is the Minister of Health and Social Services doing to help promote healthy eating in our schools and to our families? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first I'd like to give credit to a region that has taken the initiative. I understand in Inuvik the mayor has been bugging me to match what was done by the DEA, where I understand that they've set up a policy where they don't have pop and chips and junk food in the schools anymore.

---Applause

I think they're to be commended for that. As well, I have, in fact, written to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment about how we can move ahead to further that kind of initiative. I've also indicated to the Department of Health and Social Services that I would like to come out in the very near future with a directive that in all the facilities that Health and Social Services operates and funds, that we have the same kind of approach in terms of healthy eating. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister jumping to my third question so quickly, which was what are we doing about this? Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the Minister is obviously on cue with the fact that obviously we know the kids don't do well if they're not fed. We know they miss a lot of school if they're not fed well and healthy living is very important. One last thing I want to acknowledge before my question is, in the city of Yellowknife, the Rotary Club, a service organization, helps provide breakfast to a group of kids at Mildred Hall.

So we have community groups stepping up to the cause of making sure our kids eat healthy. All of that being said, can the Minister tell me if he's willing to come forward with some type of policy to at least investigate the pros and cons about taking on a mandate that we eliminate junk food from our schools? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I've indicated, I've been in written communication with the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment and clearly today with the kickoff of the "Get Active" campaign that's going to be part of what we're talking about, leading by example, making sure that in fact we do as the Member suggests to a greater degree, which is making sure there are healthy choices for the youth to make, not to mention the adults. So, yes, Mr. Speaker, I intend to follow up with the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment further. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Ontario was proceeding down this road and investigating this quite seriously about eliminating junk food from our schools. Mr. Speaker, could we maybe get some timelines and time frames on the seriousness of this issue that this Minister has agreed to sort of follow down that road of questioning and ideas of eliminating junk food from our schools? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Inuvik demonstrated, if there's a will at the local level, the authority is there to make those decisions. They're to be commended for taking that proactive approach. As a government, we want to give the signal as well that we are encouraging and promoting that kind of approach. So there's nothing to stop the DEAs, as far as I'm aware, or the health authorities for that matter, to move on this. I just want to make sure on the health side that I give the ministerial encouragement that they need to deal with this issue. As I indicated, I'll be talking further with the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister commit today to provide all district education authorities the resources needed to investigate this problem so they have the knowledge in order to proceed with this idea, understanding the full pros and cons of this process? Would he commit to supplying the resources to investigate this at the district education level? Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker.