Oral Questions, Protection Against Family Violence Act, Budget, Health and Social Services — 27 May 2025 (20th Assembly, 1st Session, pp. 2493–2560)

2025-05-27, 20th Assembly 1st Session, pp. 2493–2560

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Oral Questions, Protection Against Family Violence Act, Budget, Health and Social Services — 27 May 2025 (20th Assembly, 1st Session, pp. 2493–2560)

2025-05-27, 20th Assembly 1st Session, pp. 2493–2560

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Debates of May 27th, 2025

This is page numbers 2493 - 2560 of the Hansard for the 20th Assembly, 1st Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was know .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer Or Reflection

Strategic Information Technology Modernization for Enhanced Service Delivery

2025 Canadian Biomass Award

2025 NorthWoods NWT Writers Festival

Updates to Improving Cultural Safety and Anti-Racism

2025 NorthWords Writers Festival

2023 Wildfire Emergency Response After-Action Review

Northwest Territories Nomination Program

Colville Lake School

Crime Legislation

Student Financial Assistance

Canada Health Act Compliance

Treaty 8 Medicine Chest and Health Care Access

Consensus Government

Equitable Access to Sport

Hunting in the Dehcho - Jonathan Antoine

Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Insured Healthcare Services / Public Administrator Workplan - NIHB

2023 Wildfire Emergency Response After-Action Review

Colville Lake School

Timeline Update on Forthcoming Justice Legislation

Student Financial Assistance Eligibility

Drinking Water Quality in Schools

Northwest Territories Nominee Program

Indigenous Governance and Guidance in Healthcare

Aven Manor 2023 Wildfire Evacuation Costs

Northwest Territories Nominee Program

Unmarked Graves and Impacts of Archaeological Sites Act

Unhoused Encampments in yellowknife

Question 731--20(1): Unhoused Encampments in yellowknife

Question 732--20(1): Action Plan of the Public Administrator of the Northwest Territories Health and Social Services Authority

Follow-up To Oral Questions

Follow-up to Oral Question 598-20(1): Seniors' Home HEating Subsidy Program

Tabled Document 348-20(1): 2023/2024 Report on the Departmental Indigenous Employment Plans Results

Tabled Document 349-20(1): Letter dated May 20, 2025, from Yellowknives Dene First Nation to Premier Simpson regarding Burials of Children Who Attended St. Joseph's Residential School

Establishment of Electoral Boundaries Commission

Extended Adjournment of the House to October 16, 2025

Establishment of Electoral Boundaries Commission

Staffing Solutions to Rebuild and Reform Healthcare Now

Recorded Vote

Code of Conduct Referral to the Standing Committee on Procedure and Privileges

Recorded Vote

Bill 27:

An Act to Amend the Protection Against Family Violence Act, Deemed Read

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Concurrence Motion - Tabled Document 341-20(1): Supplementary Estimates (Operations Expenditures and Borrowing Authorization), No. 1, 2025-2026

Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Caitlin Cleveland , Mr. Edjericon , Mr. Hawkins , Hon. Lucy Kuptana , Hon. Jay Macdonald , Hon. Vince McKay , Mr. McNeely , Ms. Morgan , Mr. Morse , Ms. Reid , Mr. Rodgers , Hon. R.J. Simpson , Hon. Lesa Semmler , Mr. Testart , Hon. Shane Thompson , Hon. Caroline Wawzonek , Mrs. Weyallon Armstrong

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer Or Reflection

Prayer Or Reflection

Page 2493

The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Please be seated. Thank you, colleagues. Before we start, I'd like to recognize a very important person to this 19th Assembly, Ms. Caroline Cochrane; Rory, the other half of, so. So Shalene Woodward, Meredith Wilson -- okay, I am going to try this again -- Angela Gzowski and her partner Jeremy Bird. I would like to thank you very much for being here today and giving me the honour to recognize you. Welcome to the Legislative Assembly.

Ministers' statements. Minister of Finance .

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Minister's Statement 134-20(1): Strategic Information Technology Modernization for Enhanced Service Delivery

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I stand before you today to talk about how the Government of the Northwest Territories is making improvements when it comes to our technology systems and online services. Our main goal is simple: We want to make government services easier to access and safer to use. We want people to be able to securely access services like applying for a permit, or accessing a marriage, birth or death certificate, no matter where they live in the Northwest Territories.

Residents can now access a wide array of services digitally, from applying for vital statistics documents or renewing driver's licenses and vehicle registrations, to managing apprenticeship profiles or obtaining fishing licenses.

Businesses benefit from the ability to apply for certain licenses and permits online, including those related to liquor sales or business operations outside of community boundaries, as well as submitting applications for electrical and mechanical safety inspections. We are also making it easier for families to access health care by enabling applications and renewals for healthcare cards online. These additions reflect our efforts to consider online service delivery in our planning processes and ensure that individuals and businesses can obtain services securely and conveniently, no matter where they live in the territory.

Mr. Speaker, over the past year, we have improved how we plan for future technology. Instead of creating systems in silos, we now follow shared principles for every new system. These principles make sure systems are secure to talk to one another systems and can safely share information when needed. This helps different government programs get what they need without repeating the same work and provides a value-add.

To ensure these principles are followed, a group of officials from across government reviews major technology project ideas early on. Previously, they mainly checked budgets and timelines. Now, this group asks important questions such a will this system connect properly with our other systems? Will it keep information safe? Will it help us offer more online services in the future? Only projects that fit within these rules will move forward towards funding approval.

A key part of these improvements is a new program called information technology, or IT, planning studies. These studies help identify exactly what is needed, look at different options, and work out the costs before we spend public money. This year we started six of these studies. They are looking at replacing older systems used for case management, health information, inspections, and various registries. This approach helps reduce risks, saves time in setting up systems, and lets us choose systems that many different program areas can use instead of building separate ones. The plan for how these studies will work has been put together and will start being used this year.

Mr. Speaker, we are also making important improvements to our IT teams and how we manage technology project implementations. This means making sure we have the right people and ways of working to build and handle technology projects efficiently. We have improved our process for planning projects, which will result in shorter, clearer projects with better funding plans, and this will improve the likelihood of projects being completed successfully. We have also spoken to decision-makers about how important it is to think about technology needs when they are creating new policies and programs. Good governance relies on secure, reliable, and modern technology systems.

Sound planning, improved management, and fiscal prudence is going to guide everything we do, and no technology project will be moving ahead unless it benefits the public, follows our IT principles, and the government department or program area is ready to move forward with that project. Simply put, we are treating technology systems like any other major infrastructure project: First we plan carefully, then we build.

Mr. Speaker, by taking this careful approach to our technology system investments, the government is getting ready to provide services that are modern, dependable, and easier for Northerners to use. We are focused on using public funds responsibly in this space and keeping information safe. I look forward to continuing to share updates with the Legislative Assembly as we work to make these plans a reality. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 134-20(1): Strategic Information Technology Modernization for Enhanced Service Delivery

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Page 2493

The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Finance . Ministers' statements. Minister responsible for Housing NWT .

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Minister's Statement 135-20(1): 2025 Canadian Biomass Award

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Lucy Kuptana

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I am proud to recognize the outstanding achievement of staff at Housing NWT who were recently honoured with the Community Project of the Year award from Canadian Biomass. This award celebrates the district heating wood-pellet boiler system installed at Sissons Court housing complex in Yellowknife.I want to extend my sincere gratitude to the dedicated staff of infrastructure services at Housing NWT, as well as those from the Department of Infrastructure's energy, design and technical services group, for their support and commitment.

In 2022, Sissons Court's biomass heating plant replaced 45 aging fuel-oil furnaces and now provides renewable heating to 53 public housing units. This transition to wood pellets has lowered energy costs and reduced greenhouse gas emissions, advancing the Government of the Northwest Territory's mandate to deliver affordable and sustainable housing. The project was a locally driven and supplied initiative relying on partnerships between government and the private sector. The system was designed by a northern consultant team, TAG Engineering, with assistance from a technical team at the GNWT and was installed by Hay River-based contractor Taylor and Company.

The Yellowknife Housing Authority, with assistance from the local contractor J&R Mechanical, are dedicated to the ongoing operation and maintenance of the heat plant to ensure reliable heat for residents.

The Sissons Court project was funded in part by a federal funding program called the Low Carbon Economy Leadership Fund and showcases the power of collaboration between Housing NWT and local contractors. It is expected to generate significant long-term benefits, saving approximately $125,000 annually in energy costs and offsetting 300 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions in its first year of operation.

Mr. Speaker, biomass energy in the form of wood pellets is an important alternative in the Northwest Territories where traditional fuels such as oil and propane are costly and prone to market volatility. As demonstrated by this project, biomass is a proven and practical solution to implementing the GNWT's commitment to net zero by 2050. This biomass award marks a meaningful step forward in Housing NWT's mission demonstrating that sustainable energy solutions can be part of how we build stronger, more resilient communities across the North. Quyananni, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister responsible for Housing NWT . Ministers' statements. Minister for Education, Culture and Employment .

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Minister's Statement 136-20(1): 2025 NorthWoods NWT Writers Festival

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize an important cultural milestone. The NorthWords NWT Writers Festival is celebrating its 20th anniversary: Twenty years of championing northern voices and building community through storytelling.

Launched in 2006, NorthWords was born from a vision to bring Canada's most celebrated literary voices to the North and to elevate the powerful stories already being told in our own communities. That vision was realized by dedicated literary champions, including Judith Drinnan, Cathy Jewison, Doris McCann, Larry Adamson, and Richard Van Camp. With early support from partners like the Tlicho government and De Beers Canada, they created a festival that has become nationally respected for its celebration of storytelling, mentorship, and northern culture.

Over the years, NorthWords has welcomed major Canadian authors like Linden MacIntyre and Elizabeth Hay. These guests brought fresh perspectives and returned home with stories of the North's people, land, and creative talent.

NorthWords has also proudly amplified Indigenous voices. Esteemed authors and knowledge-keepers such as the late Lee Maracle, the late Richard Wagamese, Katherena Vermette, Duke Redbird, Niigaan Sinclair, and Rosanna Deerchild, have shared stories rooted in truth, history, identity, and cultural resurgence. Their contributions have fostered meaningful conversations and affirmed the essential place of Indigenous storytelling in our collective narrative.

Mr. Speaker, what makes NorthWords truly special is its ongoing commitment to northern writers. It has given a platform for authors from across the territory, like Richard Van Camp, Allison McCreesh, Fran Hurcomb, whose voices reflect the humour, complexity, and resilience of life in the North. Through NorthWords, these voices are being heard far beyond our borders. That is why the government has supported NorthWords over the years.

With that support, the festival has grown into a year-round literary organization offering mentorships, open mics, workshops, and publications like Coming Home: Stories from the NWT, which helped many Northerners publish their work for the first time.

Mr. Speaker, the anniversary is not just about looking back. It is a moment to recognize the role of the arts in building stronger communities, preserving culture, and helping people, especially youth, express who they are and where they come from.

I want to thank the organizers, the board members, and volunteers who have helped grow NorthWords into what it is today. NorthWords makes us as the North proud. As we mark this anniversary, let us celebrate the stories already told and commit to creating space for many more to come. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Ministers' statements. Minister of Health and Social Services .

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Minister's Statement 137-20(1): Updates to Improving Cultural Safety and Anti-Racism

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to update this House on the work that's being done by the health and social services system on cultural safety and anti-racism, one of my top three priorities as Minister.

First and foremost, Mr. Speaker, our government has a duty to confront the persistent health inequities faced by Indigenous residents. Our commitment to cultural safety and anti-racism tackles a difficult reality and that is that these inequities stem from a health and social services system founded on colonial values that have marginalized Indigenous peoples and excluded them from decision-making. Those foundations continue to influence our legislation, policies, funding formulas, and clinical standards, embedding racism in the very structures that shape and care we provide.

Undoing this legacy is challenging work. It requires us to rethink governance models, realign resources, and place Indigenous knowledge and legal orders on equal footing with public government approaches. We have begun a sustained effort to audit existing policies for colonial bias, co-develop new accountability mechanisms with Indigenous governments, and elevate Indigenous leadership at every level of the system. This is complex and, at times, uncomfortable work, but it is essential if we are to create a health system that serves all residents equitably and without colonial harm.

Part of this work includes offering training to all GNWT employees, Mr. Speaker, and I want to commend my colleagues for participating in the cultural safety and anti-racism training offered by the department. We will continue to offer this training, including to GNWT deputy ministers and assistant deputy ministers in the coming year. I believe that any genuine organizational shift towards cultural safety must start with the commitment from leadership, and I am pleased to see the leaders of our public service fully engaging with this principle.

Like any effective work addressing anti-Indigenous racism, our work originates from within, guided by a dedicated team of Indigenous staff from across the Northwest Territories. They bring rich insights rooted in lived experience and Indigenous knowledge reinforced by extensive professional expertise. This team is responsible for developing an Indigenous made-in-the-North approach to cultural safety that challenges the status quo by identifying and addressing anti-Indigenous racism head-on.

Mr. Speaker, our goal is to support equitable access to culturally-safe relationship-based care that tangibly improves health outcomes for Indigenous people. We are doing this through the Office of Client Experience, primary care reform, and by improving access to care in small communities. Our team, with staff from across the health and social services system, is piloting a new equity tool to generate deep reflection, relationship-building, and accountability, to Indigenous communities.

The work to date has been informed by community voices and our progress has been driven by the principle of nothing about us without us. Instead of top-down directives, we are listening to the advice and guidance of the health and social services Indigenous advisory body. Our leadership in cultural safety and anti-racism is gaining wide recognition and respect with other departments and jurisdictions now seeking our expertise. We are proud of that. Real progress means embracing discomfort and rethinking long-held assumptions about expertise and decision-making power.

Our team is guiding these candid discussions, fostering safe, productive learning spaces and, most importantly, building relationships rooted in trust with each other and with the communities we serve.

Mr. Speaker, racism is more than individual acts. It is embedded in the way we do business, from the beliefs and values that we have as an organization to the policies, practices, and unwritten rules we adopt. Racism is often unchecked, and systemic. If left unaddressed, racism flourishes and spreads. We will continue to bring these systemic barriers to light, placing Indigenous priorities at the centre, and delivering a meaningful change where it is needed the most. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Health and Social Services . Ministers' statements. Members' statements. Member from Yellowknife North .

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Member's Statement 661-20(1): 2025 NorthWords Writers Festival

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Shauna Morgan

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to echo the words of our Minister of education in congratulating the NorthWords Festival on its 20th year.

The NorthWords Festival is a celebration of northern writers and storytellers, bringing together authors, readers, and community members for readings, panel discussions, workshops, and special events. And one of the most anticipated event for the festival is tonight's book launch. It's called Book of Hope: Healthcare and Survival in the North, hosted by Hoteth Dega // at Yellowknife Books starting at 6:30 p.m.

As much as we've been focused lately on supporting healthcare staff, I think it's essential that we keep coming back to the experiences of patients, their journeys, both their literal travel and their life journeys, to understand the ways that our system as a whole works and doesn't work well. And on that note, I also want to take a moment to express any appreciation for the NWT cancer navigation team at the health authorities which is doing incredible work supporting members of our communities going through some of the toughest times of their lives. I am hoping that session doesn't go too long this evening so that we can all go over and attend the launch of this important book of hope.

Mr. Speaker, the NorthWords Festival so much for everyone of all ages. Some of the events this week are free, and others do require the purchase of tickets, but they're incredibly accessible. So I encourage everyone to try to get out to at least one event this week before the last day, which is Sunday.

Finally, a big thanks and congratulations to the NorthWords organizers, volunteers, and all of the participating writers and storytellers. Happy 20 years, NorthWords. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Yellowknife North . Members' statements. Member from Frame Lake .

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Member's Statement 662-20(1): 2023 Wildfire Emergency Response After-Action Review

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Julian Morse

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at my recent constituency meeting, I had a good discussion with Frame Lake residents about their reaction to the after-action review of the 2023 wildfire season. One of the key concerns we discussed was the lack of trust and confidence in GNWT communications during the event, and I do want to take a second to acknowledge that the report made a point of noting that NWT Fires' regular updates were received positively.

My constituents were clear, Mr. Speaker, that it is important to them that the government rebuild trust with residents, as it's crucial that residents feel confident to look to their government for guidance during times of crisis. My constituents expressed concern that due to experiences of past evacuations, when there are future evacuation orders residents may not take them seriously. That concern in particular is one I want us to pay close attention to as its implications are very serious.

I know that the GNWT is in the process of preparing a response to the report, and I want to suggest that rebuilding trust should be a main theme which informs that response. Rebuilding trust and confidence in the public to look to their government for guidance and support first and foremost but also building stronger relationships and understanding with Indigenous and municipal governments and with the many NGOs we rely on to help deliver services to residents.

Building trust and fostering confidence in the public and our partners that we are prepared and have solid plans and response structures in place is the key to ensuring future emergency response will be safe and successful. Just as critical as trust is ensuring that everyone implicated in planning is fully aware of their role and responsibilities from full-time emergency response staff to indirectly involved GNWT staff, all the way down to individual residents.

One of the key recommendations of the review that I think needs to be looked at closely, and taken seriously, is the recommendation to establish a dedicated territorial emergency management agency. This may be what's needed to ensure that trust and relationship building I have discussed above takes place. We have a lot of work to do, Mr. Speaker. I would like to explore more of the review's recommendations, but don't have time in a short statement. I wanted to highlight the primary concerns of my constituents today and will be following up comprehensively on the report going forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Frame Lake . Members' statements. Member from Great Slave .

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Member's Statement 663-20(1): Northwest Territories Nomination Program

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Kate Reid

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to continue the line of questioning and talk a little bit about my constituency experience with the NWT nomination program.

The Minister yesterday expanded on some of what she is going to be going to Ottawa and advocating for on behalf of the program and our residents, including restoring the allocation to 300, engaging -- asking the federal government to engage directly with GNWT and NWT stakeholders, allow the GNWT to extend work permits for a two-year NWT-specific frame, and to enhance support for settlement services. These are all fantastic pieces, Mr. Speaker, but I am most crucially interested in the third ask, which is to extend those work permits for a two-year NWT-specific work permit.

Constituents don't want to extend their work permits right now, Mr. Speaker, because the way that the program is structured means that if they extend their work permit, they are then losing out on the ability to get into the allotment that it currently exists, and then they are ineligible to seek that permanent residency track from our program.

Mr. Speaker, it's really important for newcomers who are on temporary work permits right now, it's important for them to get clarity on whether the GNWT will continue to only consider applications of those applicant who are -- whose permits are set to expire within a year or less. There's a lot of anxiety and frustration, Mr. Speaker. I've spoken about this many times, and I will be seeking clarity from the Minister of ECE later today. Thank you.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Great Slave . Members' statements. Member from the Sahtu .

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Member's Statement 664-20(1): Colville Lake School

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Colville Lake school was a capital project approved in the later part of the 18th Assembly, 2019. Mr. Speaker, the residents, students, local DEA, and teachers of the community of Colville Lake was and remain steadfast on their new school's arrival. The completed procurement, construction, certifications, now the transportation.

Mr. Speaker, the winter road journey, after the highgrade at Fort Wrigley north, can be very challenging at best, creating difficulties on logistics and trucking companies.

Mr. Speaker, the journey, the winter road journey to Colville Lake is 645 kilometers with three ice crossings. These crossings represent additional weight limitations. Prior to this challenging journey, the over-dimensional three-part modular buildings first must be transferred from Edmonton to Wrigley, a distance of 1,618 kilometers, a

section with challenges of overhead structures and structural bridges. As you can understand, Mr. Speaker, there are many considerations when planning a journey of this mobilization.

This coming transportation season, we cannot afford to let our community and the children down. Mr. Speaker, I raised these questions on numerous occasions: When will these long overdue learning facility units be delivered? Investing in our community, describing, upgrading our education environment to suit the positive outcomes and bring smiles to the residents, in particular our students, is the right thing to do and our mandate. An example to that, behind the dejishu, there sits four classes in one cubical room. Later, Mr. Speaker, I will have questions to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mahsi.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from the Sahtu . Members' statements. Member from Inuvik Boot Lake .

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Member's Statement 665-20(1): Crime Legislation

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Denny Rodgers

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, drugs and the criminal activity associated with drugs are ravaging our communities. All communities large and small are feeling the effects, Mr. Speaker. We've heard that loud and clear from Members in this House many times. We have legislation being considered to provide additional tools in our fight to deal with this dire situation:

The safer communities and neighbourhoods legislation, allowing residents to make confidential complaints to investigators on illegal activity;

The civil forfeiture legislation, designed to recover proceeds and instruments used to facilitate crime;

Mr. Speaker, the trespass legislation to protect landowners from trespassers by deferring potential criminal behaviour or inadvertent damages that trespassers may cause; and, Mr. Speaker,

Reviewing the Residential Tenancies Act give it the teeth required to assist in dealing with this illegal activity.

Moving this legislation forward as quickly as possible is paramount in our fight to deal with this problem. If there was ever a time to fast track legislation, Mr. Speaker, and put put all the resources necessary to expedite our process, this is it.

This is no time to drag our feet, Mr. Speaker. We need to move timelines up. We need to pull out all the stops. This is a key part of the mandate of this government, Mr. Speaker, and all of us in this House. Let's get it done. Let's let the residents know we are serious about dealing with drugs and crime in our communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Inuvik Boot Lake . Member from Monfwi .

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Member's Statement 666-20(1): Student Financial Assistance

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Monfwi

Student financial assistance. Mr. Speaker, as another school year ends, I want to recognize the high school students graduating across the Northwest Territories. This is an exciting time for our young people, filled with hope and ambition, as they prepare to leave their communities to pursue post-secondary education. However, Mr. Speaker, the reality for Indigenous students in our smaller communities is more complicated. The education outcomes in small communities continue to fall behind those in our regional centres.

Mr. Speaker, too many of our graduates do not meet the entry requirement for direct admission into the programs of their choice. Instead, they are forced to pursue academic upgrading before continuing their studies.

Mr. Speaker, we discussed this in the last sitting with the closure of the community learning centres. Our students do not want to return to high school or even Aurora College to complete their upgrading. Unfortunately, Mr. Speaker, our current Student Financial Assistance Policy does not support students upgrading outside of Aurora College. Students and families who want to explore other institutions are denied funding. It feels like we are holding them hostage to limited options in Fort Smith, Yellowknife, or Inuvik. We also lack financial assistance for part-time studies.

Students on income support or those working full-time in small communities deserve access to programs like personal support worker training without financial barriers.

Mr. Speaker, if we want to create a strong workforce and reduce dependency, we must invest in flexible, accessible education for all our youth, especially our Indigenous students in small communities. I will have questions for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 667-20(1): Canada Health Act Compliance

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Kieron Testart

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, while healthcare administration is a territorial responsibility, the federal government still plays an important role in ensuring all provinces and territories comply with the Canada Health Act,

an Act which guarantees universal, comprehensive health care to all Canadians based solely on their needs and not their financial abilities. While not an outright guarantee to a right to health care, it is compliance which determines the eligibility of provinces and territories to receive health care funding through the Canada health transfer and a cherished part of Canadian identity.

Clearly, funding available through the Canada health transfer is not enough for our needs here in the North, and the Minister of Health and Social Services is always ready to press her federal counterparts in efforts to secure more resources to address the systemic challenges Northerners face. However, given that these systemic challenges have escalated into what can now only be described as an urgent crisis with no clear end in sight, it can be safely assumed that the Minister is gearing up for another round of lobbying when the point of failure is reached.

Before this Minister turns, however, to admonish her counterparts in Ottawa for their perceived inaction, we should first examine our own record as a government in upholding the very laws we are responsible for enforcing. Is the North's health care truly comprehensive without primary care? Is it universal when communities and small communities are serviced by hospitals, health centres, and health cabins that have no doctors, nurses, or other trained medical professionals on staff? Even on an operational standard, is it still a trauma bay if it is eventually run by the same staff who run a flu clinic?

Maybe we should stop calling this a health care crisis, and we should start calling this a leadership crisis. We have the same geography, logistics, and unique northern challenges we've always had. How can we turn to the federal government to ask for more when, to many, it feels like we aren't meeting the minimum standards required to be compliant with the Canada Health Act?

Mr. Speaker, nurses are asking. Doctors are asking. Northerners are asking. It's time that the Minister answer those questions with a real plan, not a work plan to a public administer -- administrator, but a real plan to fix health care in the NWT. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 668-20(1): Treaty 8 Medicine Chest and Health Care Access

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Richard Edjericon

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When our ancestors entered treaty 8 in the spirit of peace and friendship, they also did so with the understanding of the "medicine chest clause" and how it would significantly lasting commitments to health and well-being for our people. Through our oral history, we continue to remember and uphold these rights which are now constitutionally-protected under

section 35 of the Canadian Constitution. These rights have been further reinforced by the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People, UNDRIP, which this very House has adopted.

UNDRIP clearly affirms the rights of Indigenous people to the highest attainable standard of health. The truth and reconciliation also identified and improved access to health services as essential to reconciliation, a message echoed by the UNDRIP // final report.

Mr. Speaker, Indigenous people of the Northwest Territories continue to experience substandard health care and inequitable access to essential services. Here in the NWT, only 59 percent of residents report having access to regular healthcare providers. In small communities like Lutselk'e and Fort Resolution, the numbers are even worse.

I have heard directly from the chiefs and my constituents in my communities who are calling for the creation of an intergovernmental working group to ensure Indigenous governments have a seat at the table in shaping health and social services. They are watching the innovative healthcare model being advanced by other First Nations across Canada, whether administered through Indigenous governments or through private First Nations run health centres, and they hope to replicate these successes here. It's time to work with leaders to build a healthcare system that truly serves all Northerners and uphold our treaty rights.

Mr. Speaker, I look forward to working with Indigenous governments on this issue, and I will have questions for the Minister at the appropriate time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 669-20(1): Consensus Government

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I've never seen consensus government as frustrating as I've seen it today in my four terms. Mr. Speaker, I repeatedly ask and point out to this Premier to involve Members as part of the team. Let them feel part of the solution as we work on these problems together. Members needs wins. You know what his response to me was? Write a letter.

Mr. Speaker, I've seen this letter writing exercise, or even questioned exercise, which is they're just waiting for our comments to officially trigger their official disagreement why we're wrong. But don't worry, it's already drafted and in the queue.

Mr. Speaker, some people are saying we were here to be sent to work together. That is true. There is some truth in that, Mr. Speaker. But what I've noticed and seen is the informal expectation that you are not allowed to challenge the government, Mr. Speaker. And if you don't agree, then you're defined as being disagreeable. Mr. Speaker, it leaves me to wonder, are Members just members of the Simpson-ettes? I don't know.

Perhaps, Mr. Speaker, there are many other concerns. So when Members like myself are questioning the $440,000 envoy appointed to Ottawa, it's because it's a bad decision. Premier says, it's my decision. Mr. Speaker, when you challenge these things, you know, you expect a little more discussion. But no, it's his decision, too darn bad.

Mr. Speaker, I feel like it's no longer consensus government; it's more -- it feels more like akin to an ill repute regime by being able to make these types of decisions without them really being fulsomely discussed.

Mr. Speaker, has this government become drunk on power because they can? Mr. Speaker, why is the Premier on his own getting to appoint a $440,000 employee?

Mr. Speaker, because he can, because others do so? Well, Mr. Speaker, by way of example, Ontario does it. That's not a good answer. Quebec does it. That's a terrible answer. Mr. Speaker, I'll tell you, that's almost like the beginning of a bad dad joke. Oh, what one lemming said to the other? Well, because they did it.

Mr. Speaker, the envoy in Ontario costs around $140,000 per year. The envoy in Quebec costs $140,000 a year. How does ours cost more than twice as much? Mr. Speaker, are we getting more than twice as much value? Mr. Speaker, there's so much more to talk about but I'll tell you, when I'm holding court in the coffee shops and in the communities, in the grocery stores, no one likes this position because they don't see a stinking element of value. They want transparency, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 670-20(1): Equitable Access to Sport

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, equitable access to sport is fundamental to creating inclusive communities where everyone can experience the physical, social, and mental health benefits of athletic participation. Barriers like cost, equipment, and lack of safe spaces prevent many from participating, particularly affecting low-income communities, people with disabilities, and marginalized groups. Sport creates safe spaces when people find the right spaces, and a new volunteer-led organization is working to do just that.

Northwest Territories Equitable Sport Access, affectionately referred to as NTESA, connects youth with sport mentors, hosts teams in Yellowknife's leagues, and organizes accessible pop-up events where donation dollars raised are turned around to help all NWT residents access sports. NTESA is fully volunteer-based, an organizational pillar that upholds the importance of adults investing in youth and community without expecting pay. These volunteers don't just run programs; they shape lives and they save them.

They create welcoming spaces that make sport accessible to all, including a sold-out dodgeball tournament this past Sunday that saw a diverse roster battle for hours, raising hundreds of dollars for NWT youth, sport, and recreation.

Mr. Speaker, you've made it clear where sport sits in your priorities, and our perspectives have always aligned on the court, field, and ice. Sport isn't just a game. Teamwork builds trust, game setbacks teach resilience, and discipline develops character.

The impact is measurable: high school athletes have 40 percent lower dropout rates and are twice as likely to graduate. Youth in organized sports are 50 percent less likely to experience depression and 25 percent less anxious. Sports participants are three times more likely to do community volunteer, 50 percent less likely to use drugs, and have higher adult employment rates. Beyond individual benefits, sport strengthens communities by reducing youth crime and creating connections that truly last a lifetime.

Mr. Speaker, access to sport and recreation saves lives and builds stronger communities. Those aren't my words but those of NWT residents who participated in multiple Standing Committee on Social Development reports in the 19th Assembly. Every dollar and hour we, as residents, invest in sport and recreation changes our territory's trajectory one athlete, one volunteer, one community at a time. If you want to get involved in NTESA, it's as easy as showing up. And, together, we can ensure sport remains a bridge to opportunity rather than a barrier. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 671-20(1): Hunting in the Dehcho - Jonathan Antoine

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Colleagues, this past December, I had the opportunity to chat with Jonathan Antoine about his recent trip to Los Angeles. He explained that they were able to announce the debut of the short documentary Hunting in the Deh Cho, directed by himself at the prestigious LA Skins Film Festival on November 24th at 12 p.m. This significant event took place at the iconic Chinese Theatre in Los Angeles, California.

He explained that this remarkable experience would not have been possible without the unwavering dedication of the festival organizers, and sincere gratitude is owed to them for selecting this important work to be showcased. This is his second time showcasing his films in Los Angeles.

He explained to me that he extends his heartfelt appreciation to Ricky Tsetso and Errol Villeneuve whose courage in sharing their invaluable stories is pivotal in highlighting the rich cultural heritage of Dene people of Liidlii Kue. Additionally, the generous support from the Deh Cho GNWT ITI team was instrumental in bringing this project to fruition.

In true Jonathan fashion, he made special mention to Dustin Dewar, whose artistic vision has transformed the team's ideas into a compelling narrative. He spent days working to provide the final product that was Jonathan vision. He stressed that the wonderful community and residents of Liidlii Kue and Fort Simpson deserve recognition for their steadfast encouragement and belief in this mission and his dream of being a film director.

As the conversation came full circle, he talked about the immense support from his family and friends which cannot be overlooked. Their unwavering faith has helped him do this type of adventure in film and they are very much part of his achievements.

Moving forward with this journey, he has a strong commitment to continue to screen this documentary wherever opportunities arise. Together, he and his team will share these important stories and foster greater understanding within our communities. I look forward to seeing what he does next. Thank you.

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R.J. Simpson

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's an honour today to do what I've actually seen one of the visitors in the gallery do before. As Premier , it's an honour to recognize former Premier Caroline Cochrane who is joining us today along with Shalene Woodward, both of whom I served with and worked with in the last Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Premier . Member from Range Lake .

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Kieron Testart

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's a real privilege to have a former Premier in the chamber today, and it's a real privilege to represent that former Premier as my constituent in Range Lake. So thank you, Caroline Cochrane, for being here today with your partner Rory. It's always great to have eyes in this the gallery, and you are definitely a VIP. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Member from Range Lake . Member from Yellowknife Centre .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have some Tree of Peace adult ed students I'd like to recognize, three of them in particular. We have first Jasmine Powder. Secondly, I have Anastazie Goulet. And the third, and certainly not least, Margo Remnant. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you.

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Thank you, Member from Yellowknife Centre . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from the Sahtu .

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to recognize former Premier of the Northwest Territories, Caroline Cochrane. We had the opportunity to work together during the 18th Assembly. Mahsi.

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Thank you, Member from the Sahtu . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Frame Lake .

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Julian Morse

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's hard to see from my seat but you recognized them earlier, and I'm not sure if they're still there. But Frame Lake constituents, Jeremy Bird and Angela Gzowski were in this the House earlier. And I'd also like to recognize the Premier who I had the pleasure of working with in her capacity as education Minister and a Premier when I was working as a city councillor. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Member from Frame Lake . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh .

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Richard Edjericon

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I, too, want to recognize the former Premier of the NWT from the 19th Assembly, Caroline Cochrane. And, also, I'd like to welcome Shalene Woodward and Anatasia Goulet. Mahsi.

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Thank you, Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh . Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Member from Inuvik Twin Lakes .

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to also recognize former Premier Cochrane. I had the pleasure to be in the 19th Assembly and have her at the helm of this Assembly with all of the things that we did, and as well as her partner. The last time I saw him, we were jumping on a plane, and we won't say when. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Member from Inuvik Twin Lakes . Recognition of visitors in the gallery.

If we've missed anyone in the gallery today, welcome to your chamber. I hope you enjoy the proceedings. It's always nice to see people in the gallery, and I'd, again, like to thank you very much for allowing us the opportunity to represent the people of the Northwest Territories.

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Reports of committees on the review of bills. Reports of standing and special committees. Returns to oral questions. Acknowledgements. Oral questions. Member from Yellowknife Centre .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are to the Premier in follow-up to my Member's statement, Mr. Speaker, and for the record, we all know that the full costs of the -- his envoy, his friend there, is $440,000. So my question specifically is how many political appointments does the -- sorry, how many politically-appointed GNWT staff are paid more than the Prime Minister of Canada? Thank you.

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Thank you, Member from Yellowknife Centre . Mr. Premier .

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R.J. Simpson

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't know what the salary of the Prime Minister of Canada is. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Well, Mr. Speaker, I'll ask the same question. The Prime Minister of Canada's paid about $300,000. I believe the base pay of all MPs is about $200,000, and he receives a hundred thousand additional on top. That's how you get to 300,000. So now that we've set the table, Mr. Speaker, the question still stands, how many politically-appointed GNWT staff are paid more than the Prime Minister of Canada? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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R.J. Simpson

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, I'd say probably one. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Premier . Final supplementary. Member from Yellowknife Centre .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, we all know that -- we all know who this envoy is, but we don't know where the envoy is. He has no office, not on the GNWT website. Nobody knows anything about how to track him down but he's worth $440,000, the top paid -- top paid --

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-- ask the question. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

How many politically-appointed GNWT staff are able to work remotely from outside the NWT who are paid more than the Prime Minister of Canada?

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R.J. Simpson

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So the envoy to Ottawa works in the Northwest Territories and works in Ottawa. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Premier . Oral questions. Member from Range Lake .

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Kieron Testart

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the public administrator for NTHSSA's work plan, it tasks him to, quote, "work with NTHSSA and DHSS to find ways to increase and reduce expenditures within the health and social services system, including supporting the establishment of income assessment and fee collection structures as applicable."

I've had two people reach out to me today, constituents, who are concerned what this actually means. So can the Minister clarify, are we looking to recoup the costs of the health system on the back of patients and people who need health care in the Northwest Territories?

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Range Lake . Minister of Health and Social Services .

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the services that we provide in the Northwest Territories, what that statement means is that we look across jurisdictions and we compare for non-insured services what they are charging residents for, how are they charging residents for, and is that something that, you know, to be able to pay for our extended health benefits and other programs that aren't covered by the federal government, how can we find funding. It doesn't mean that we are -- made those decisions.

It's looking at ways to be able to continue to provide non-insured services to the residents of the Northwest Territories without any costs as a lot of them are now. So we'll continue to do those reviews, and those decisions would definitely be decisions that we bring back to this -- or to the Members and having those discussions if there were any changes. Thank you.

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Kieron Testart

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, many of these non-insured services are critical services. I believe the urology department at Stanton is non-funded. So what services are we -- well, let's just get into that.

What services might we lose or might cost people to use after this review is done? Could the Minister give people a heads up, because if they're getting free care right now and they turn around and start charging them, we're going to hear about it in this chamber. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if a patient is referred to neurology -- and I know that the Member is just using that as an example -- that would be an insured service. I could go on and talk about all of the different insured services, but if Members wanted to understand what non-insured services are, those are the services that we provide through extended health benefits. So many of the services that are provided through that. But, however, there are other services that we do provide free of charge so outpatient rehab services, things like that. In many jurisdictions, insurances cover those.

We provide those free. They're not even added to our extended health benefits list. So those are types of things. If you're inpatient and you're getting rehab services, then those are part of the insured services. If there is more information, you know, I'd be more than willing to provide standing committee on this kind of information. Thank you.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Health and Social Services . Final supplementary. Member from Range Lake .

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Kieron Testart

Range Lake

Thank you to the Minister for clarifying some of these points. The problem is when the work plan says as applicable, that's a very big window, and I think when people read that without that clarification. So will the Minister agree to update this work plan to make it clear that insured services will not be a fee-for-service in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yes, I will direct the PA to update what needs to be updated in that area. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister of Health and Social Services . Oral questions. Member from Frame Lake .

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Julian Morse

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, does the Premier agree that rebuilding trust needs to be a key goal of the government response to the after-action review on the wildfire season in 2023? And, Mr. Speaker, what does he feel is needed to achieve that goal? Thank you.

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Thank you, Member from Frame Lake . Mr. Premier .

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R.J. Simpson

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know we're not supposed to discuss opinions in this House, but I'll indulge the Member. Yes, obviously, we needed to improve trust of government in emergency situations. I think that is, you know, one of the primary lessons that we've learned from this last series of evacuations that we had. The work to do that has already begun. It began at the beginning of this government.

When I drove out of Hay River, there was no one there to close the highway because people didn't understand what their roles were. And no fault of their own. But we weren't organized enough as a government to ensure that people knew where to people, when to be there, and what to do. And so as a result, we had vehicles driving out of the community into the middle of an active forest fire. So that is one of the very first things that I really focused on, ensuring that there were business continuity plans across government, that everyone's role was defined, so that they knew what they were going to do.

So doing things like that and letting the public know that we've done those types of things, we've seen the issues that happened, and we are taking steps to correct them, I think that's important. And as we provide a response to the after-action review, the public will see the action that we've taken and understand that we've taken this seriously. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Julian Morse

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I note that the report contains some short-term recommendations but also some very long-term recommendations as far as four years into the future. Mr. Speaker, how will the government ensure these recommendations are followed up on and not forgotten? Thank you.

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R.J. Simpson

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And, of course, we are going to be providing a response, and this is wading into the Minister of MACA's territory, so I don't want to get too ahead of things. But the long-term work begins now. And so a lot of that long-term work - the planning, the relationships - that's already begun. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Mr. Premier . Final supplementary. Member from Frame Lake .

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Julian Morse

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And the Premier started to touch on the answer to this question already, but he noted that the GNWT has already taken some action. Can the Premier detail for the House what has been done to date in response to this report or to the 2023 wildfires and lessons learned? Thank you.

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R.J. Simpson

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So noting that there will be a full review -- or sorry, a report back on the recommendations, I can note a few things.

So one of the -- obviously, one of the very first things was the realization that fire seasons start earlier than ever and so because of that, the GNWT has been bringing on fire crews, aircraft, seasonal wildfire personnel, earlier than they were before, and there's been significant investments made in mitigation and prevention efforts.

We've been working with Indigenous governments. We heard in the last -- during the 2023 evacuations that Indigenous governments, not just the community governments that might be run by the band but even regional Indigenous governments, wanted more of a role in emergency management. And so we've struck a working group with the Council of Leaders to look at how we can amend the Emergency Management Act. And we've done the same thing with the NWTAC and with LGANT to ensure that communities are engaged in that work.

We are further supporting communities by delivering community emergency planning workshops and desktop exercises to better understand, so communities can better understand emergency management and how it would play out in the real world. We are working with them to update their community emergency plans, and we are increasing preparedness through practice, Mr. Speaker.

We're working on staffing, so building the GNWT's surge capacity by providing incident command system training, and the Minister of MACA spoke about that earlier this week.

We're also taking steps to ensure there's more coordination, so establishing emergency management training and development advisor position to help coordinate and track emergency management training requirements, as well as an emergency preparedness planner position, and staffing up -- and I believe they're all fully staffed now -- the regional emergency management coordinators. So those are some of the activities that I can speak to at this moment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Premier . Oral questions. Member from the Sahtu .

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Following up on my questions here related to the Colville Lake school to the Minister of ECE , my first question to the Minister is are the three modular units completed, certified, and ready for transportation? Mahsi.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from the Sahtu . Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment .

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have to start off by saying I share the Member's frustration and the community's frustration on this one very much. Mr. Speaker, we were anticipating shipping of these units this previous winter road season. We had worked diligently with the Department of Infrastructure and the company to get this done and were then advised in February of 2025 that the contractor's transportation company would no longer be able to deliver the units during that winter road season, the one that we have just, just passed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister for that information here. My next question there to the same Minister is the procurement closed aside from the final shipping costs? Thank you.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as part of the contract, it is the company's responsibility to ship the units to Colville Lake. Thank you.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Final supplementary. Member from Sahtu .

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Daniel McNeely

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thanks to the Minister for that information. My next question and final one, will the Minister supply my office with the new 2026 winter road transportation schedule. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Shane Thompson

Minister of Education -- I don't know if that's the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment question. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , she's prepared to answer the question. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment .

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I know it's one that certainly straddles two departments but as infrastructure does -- or sorry, as education, culture and employment does not actually build our capital projects in the territory, I do work very closely with my colleagues on this House and would be more than happy to work with the Minister of Infrastructure on developing some information for the Member for the Sahtu . Thank you.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Oral questions. Member from Inuvik Boot Lake .

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Denny Rodgers

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement I mentioned three pieces of legislation that are in the queue. This legislation is paramount to our war on drugs and the criminal activity that comes with drugs. Mr. Speaker, my questions are for the Minister of Justice . Can he give this House an update and what the status is of these three very important pieces of legislation - safer communities and neighbourhoods legislation, civil forfeiture legislation, and the trespass legislation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Inuvik Boot Lake . Minister of Justice .

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Jay MacDonald

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as was so well stated in the Member's statement, I think that, you know, as we look at the challenges that we're facing in every community regarding drugs and crime, it's certainly top of mind, I know for all of the Members of this House, and certainly one of my priorities since I've become Minister of Justice . So the plan for these three specific pieces of legislation is to have legislative proposals developed during the summer of 2025 and pending approval by Cabinet to advance those legislative proposals.

A couple of -- I'll speak maybe to the SCAN legislation and the Civil Forfeiture Act, which are a lot more complex than the trespass legislation and will require extensive engagement with the public and stakeholders as we move those two forward. So the plan with those is to -- based on approval of obviously of the legislative proposals is to advance those and to have a bill brought to the floor in the winter sitting of 2026.

With regard to the Trespass Act, as I stated yesterday that's a little less complex piece of legislation, and we're currently working on the legislative proposal and, again, pending approval of the legislative proposal we'll bring that forward for a somewhat limited public engagement on that and with the target of bringing a bill to the floor in the fall sitting. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Denny Rodgers

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I know the Minister has also said to this House and committed to reviewing the Residential Tenancies Act to give that some strength as well to help us with this drug crisis. Can the Minister give an update on where they are with the Residential Tenancies Act review. Thank you.

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Jay MacDonald

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you to the Member for the question. Certainly another very critical piece of legislation that will support the work of the different, you know, agencies that are trying to combat the drugs and the crime across the NWT and certainly as important to the territory to help us in that endeavour as the other three pieces.

So currently the department is doing a review of the Residential Tenancies Act, and that review will continue through the summer of 2025. And the information that's gathered from that review will be used to develop the legislative proposal for the Act and determine what future public engagement will also be required as we move that forward.

So we have essentially four really important pieces of legislation and, you know, so moving those first three pieces forward has been the priority direction that we've given to the department right now, and we will continue to pursue the Residential Tenancies Act review and ensure that we're meeting with the stakeholders and the residents of the Northwest Territories, you know, taking into consideration the information from the rental officer, the information from this House and media, as well as our stakeholders that are involved in the conversation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Minister of Justice . Final supplementary. Member from Inuvik Boot Lake .

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Denny Rodgers

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I know I can speak for AOC when I say we're ready for these LPs. You know, we're ready to get working on this. I appreciate that it's been brought up a little, that's going to be introduced in the winter sitting. My question, I guess, would be I know there's public engagement that has to be done on that. Can that public engagement on those three important pieces of legislation be done through the summer months to move this up even further, Mr. Speaker? We'd welcome these LPs as soon as they come forward, so the quicker we can get this work done, the better. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jay MacDonald

Thebacha

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you to the Member for the question. I think, you know, all Members of this House on both sides, Cabinet and Regular Members, are anxious to move these forward, and I think that was expressed yesterday and, you know, the advancement of the Trespass Act and shortening that timeline from our original plan to have all three pieces of legislation together and brought forward in the summer of 2026, so now we're looking at the fall of 2025 for the Trespass Act. We're looking at the winter sitting for the other two pieces of legislation.

And the Trespass Act, I think is certainly an easier consultation with the public and the stakeholders. The other two are much more complex and, really, you know, to get those advanced to a state where we could bring a bill forward in the fall would be -- I don't think that's possible with the complexities that were faced there and the amount of engagement that would be required because of the fact that they are -- the SCAN legislation, particularly, is a little bit more contentious, and we'll need to ensure that we are engaging everyone on that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister of Justice . Oral questions. Member from Monfwi .

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Monfwi

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, will the Minister commit to reviewing the current student financial assistance policy to allow students to receive funding for academic upgrading at institutions outside of Aurora College, either online or outside of the territory, so that our students with -- our students with financial assistance needs have a greater choice and access to quality education?

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, some of this work has recently just happened where Aurora College is transitioning a lot of their programs online in recognition that a lot of students do want to stay in their home community when they are pursuing some education so that they have those home supports as well and understanding that not every city or every place is where students want to go.

In addition to the college access program and the occupations and college access program at Aurora College and their online offerings, there's also the University of Alberta's transition year program that is also included and funded by student financial assistance. Thank you.

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Monfwi

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister say what's step is the department taking to address the lack of financial support for part-time studies, especially for students on income support or those working full-time in small communities who want to pursue programs, like personal support worker training? Thank you.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in it regards to part-time studies, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment does fund students up to $880 per course with a maximum of $8,800 per year with the idea that beyond that, they're probably actually potentially looking at more of full-time studies, depending on what they're taking.

In the end of the previous Assembly, there were steps taken to increase our student financial assistance, and especially student financial assistance for Indigenous students in the territory, and also changed the number of semesters that they were eligible for to an unlimited number of semesters. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Final supplementary. Member from Monfwi .

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Jane Weyallon Armstrong

Monfwi

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, given the closure of community learning centres and the limited upgrading options available, how does the department plan to ensure that Indigenous students from small communities can meet post-secondary admission requirements without being forced to leave home or return to institutions they are not comfortable attending? Thank you.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, so some of this has to do with the change that's recently occurred within Aurora College where students would be able to be supported to take learning in a digitally and online environment but supported with wraparound services through Aurora College.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, later on this week, I have the honour of having conversations with my colleagues on the other side of the House in regards to some upcoming suggested approaches to adult learning and basic education for the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Question 723-20(1): Student Financial Assistance Eligibility

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Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Oral questions. Member from Yellowknife North .

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Question 724-20(1): Drinking Water Quality in Schools

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Shauna Morgan

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Education . So within the past day, parents of students at Ecole William McDonald Middle School and Range Lake North School received news that drinking water in those schools is dangerously high in lead. At William McDonald School, the levels were almost twice the maximum acceptable concentration according to Health Canada's guidelines. And we know that exposure to high levels of lead over time can cause adverse health effects and given that the city's water supply is regularly tested and deemed safe, the problem must be with some part of the plumbing or distribution systems at the schools.

So, Mr. Speaker, to the Minister, how many schools in the NWT have had their drinking water tested this year? In other words, how many were determined to have safe drinking water versus how many of the water quality tests have come back as unsafe to drink? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Member from Yellowknife North . Minister of Education, Culture and Employment .

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, all of our schools' water systems were tested, and two of the schools came back as needing confirmation testing and so, proactively, the departments of education, health and social services, and the school board, worked together to make sure that that water is not used right now for drinking or for cooking purposes. Thank you.

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Shauna Morgan

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Okay, so that's good to know that the only two schools with problems are William Mac and Range Lake North. However, I'm wondering has the drinking water at Ecole William McDonald School and Range Lake North School been tested on a regular basis and determined to be safe up until now, or is this the first time that the drinking water at those schools has been tested? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, drinking water is routinely tested in communities throughout the territory. This project was done as a pilot to test drinking water from the school sources, and so this is the first time this work has been done.

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Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Final supplementary. Member from Yellowknife North .

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Shauna Morgan

Yellowknife North

Okay, thank you, Mr. Speaker. So it sounds like we don't know for how long the concern has been there.

The final question is if the plumbing and distribution systems in these two schools are the source of these high lead levels, does the Minister know how quickly they can be fixed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the course of the next week, confirmation testing will be done in both of the schools and until we determine what those results are and then also from there do some exploration as to what the source of the issue is, I would have -- it would be impossible for me to say kind of what the next steps are for remediating that and fixing that until I know what the issue is and if there is, in fact, a longstanding challenge there that needs to be fixed. Thank you.

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Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Oral questions. Member from Great Slave .

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Question 725-20(1): Northwest Territories Nominee Program

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Kate Reid

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And my questions are also for the Minister of ECE . I don't want to preclude conversations she will have in Ottawa, but when can constituents expect more information of a redesigned -- equitably designed NTNP program intake for 2026 applications? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Member from Great Slave . Minister of Education, Culture and Employment .

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment will be working with all stakeholders, redesigning that program over the summer and the fall of this year, and working with businesses, working with advocates, working with Canadian newcomers who want to be part of the program and are part of the program. Thank you.

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Kate Reid

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, will this program, as it's being redesigned, make reasonable allowances so as not to create an extension gap where people are put in limbo needing to extend their work permit and not be able to seek their PR? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. In the re-release of the program this year, one thing that quickly became apparent was that there was concern over people whose work permits would be expiring in January and February of 2026. That quickly became apparent. And so while there is never an intention to design a program that has a gap, certainly I do know that going into next year that we have more people interested in the program than we currently have spaces for. Thank you.

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Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Final supplementary. Member from Great Slave .

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Kate Reid

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't know if I heard an answer there so I'll put it in a different way. Is there contemplation in the redesign that will give affordances to the fact that your application, if you do not -- if you're not successful on the NTNP application, you have to then extend your work permit. This is creating a cycle of gap and anxiety for people. Will that begin to become addressed? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Oral questions. Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh .

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Question 726-20(1): Indigenous Governance and Guidance in Healthcare

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Richard Edjericon

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a big part of our health and social services has been falling short with Indigenous governments and in our small communities because Indigenous governments are not closely involved with healthcare administration. The leaders from my communities are calling for a creation of intergovernmental working group to ensure Indigenous governments have a seat at the table. Would the Minister agree to a proposal like this in her deliberation? Thank you.

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Shane Thompson

Thank you, Member from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh . Minister of Health and Social Services .

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Lesa Semmler

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And thank you for the questio

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CollectionNorthwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
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