Debates of Nov. 30th, 1992

This is page numbers 193 - 215 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

The Community Transfer Initiative

Master Development Plan For Corrections

Appreciation Of Mr. Dennis Patterson, M.l.a.

Thanking Mr. Ningark For His Appreciation

Tribute To Mr. Timotee Idlout

Support For Mr. Dennis Patterson, M.l.a.

Inuvik Municipal Election

Nauhaaq Food Bank In Baker Lake

Bella Alexie Turning 100 Years Old

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Position On Support For Forming Credit Unions

Vacant Positions On The Baffin Regional Health Board

Justify Moving Fort Smith Regional Manager Position To Hay River

Changes Within Department Of Culture And Communications

Feasibility Study In Cape Dorset

Update On Transfer Of Adult Education Building In Inuvik

Update On Winter Road From Fort Smith To Fort Chipewyan

Funding For Lake Harbour Airstrip

Justification For Hiring Additional Positions

Natilikmiot Interpreter At Stanton Yellowknife Hospital

Non-violation Of Collective Agreement

Courses For Aboriginal Languages

Result Of Court Case Regarding Egg Marketing

Assessment Of Positions Within Department Of Public Works

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Bill 13: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 4, 1991-92

Bill 14: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1992-93

Bill 11:

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act

Bill 12:

An Act To Amend The Mental Health Act

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1993-94 And Committee Report 1-12(3): Review Of The 1993-94 Capital Estimates

To Adopt Recommendation No. 32

To Adopt Recommendation No. 33

To Adopt Recommendation No. 34

To Defer Elders' Residence In Fort Resolution

To Delete Funding For Video Equipment

To Adopt Recommendation No. 9

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Hon. James Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Mr. Bernhardt , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 193

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' Statements.

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Minister's Statement 13-12(3): The Community Transfer Initiative

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 193

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, last week I tabled the community transfer initiative implementation plan, which represents the government's commitment to recognize and encourage community self-government.

The initiative will transfer government programs and responsibility for decision-making closer to the people, so that program design and delivery will more clearly reflect local needs and traditions. Community governments must be able to decide for themselves what is important and what needs to be done to solve local problems.

In February the government tabled the report entitled "Reshaping Northern Government", which stated that a process needs to be developed for communities to determine if they are ready and able to take on the responsibilities they want. Mr. Speaker, the community transfer initiative implementation plan includes a description of the process which will be used to achieve the goal of transfers to those communities which indicate a desire to take on greater levels of responsibility.

The process represents a broad and flexible approach which will allow communities to proceed at the pace, and on the level best suited to their individual and unique needs. I must say again that this is a voluntary process and the initiative to become involved must come from the communities themselves. So far, over twenty communities from across the territories have expressed an interest in beginning transfer talks. Officials have conducted workshops in a number of communities and for the Keewatin Regional Council, and officials are available to conduct further workshops on request.

The process described in the community transfer initiative implementation plan makes frequent reference to the involvement of M.L.A.s. We welcome involvement from all M.L.A.s and I can assure you that I will keep you informed of requests and transfer talks being considered or conducted in your constituencies. I want to be certain that you are aware of and support the decisions being made. I may need the help of the Members to decide which communities in their constituencies should go first if there are more requests than we can handle at any one time.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I can assure the Members that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, through both its headquarters and regional staff, will be closely involved in all transfers to communities. The implementation plan calls for the setting up of a steering committee to oversee the headquarters and technical aspects of transfers. M.A.C.A. will be a permanent member of that steering committee. Regional committees, chaired by regional directors and including M.A.C.A. representatives, will also be established.

The communities and the government recognize M.A.C.A.'s expertise as essential during the self-assessment phase of the transfer process. The role of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs is one of coordination and, if necessary, that of a referee. Departmental Ministers will retain their accountability and responsibility throughout the process.

Mr. Speaker, the community transfer initiative is a cooperative partnership process which involves communities and government on an equal basis. I look forward to getting on with transfer talks with interested communities. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 13-12(3): The Community Transfer Initiative

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 193

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Ministers' Statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 14-12(3): Master Development Plan For Corrections

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 193

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I tabled a master development plan, prepared by an independent consultant group for the Department of Justice, which reviews the present correctional system in the Northwest Territories, and makes recommendations regarding its direction to the year 2006.

The master development plan takes into account and considers in its recommendations the current and projected population of the Northwest Territories, rates of crime, types of crime and offender issues specific to our jurisdiction. It looks at rates and types of sentencing as provided by the courts, socio-economic trend data as well as the projected useful life of all of our existing correctional facilities.

The conclusions of the master development plan recommend a broad range of needs and requirements for the correctional system here in the Northwest Territories. Briefly, these recommendations include increases to the fiscal resources, a shifting from high cost custodial services to more effective community corrections, vastly improved information management and staff training services, improved institutional and community programming and the repatriation from southern Canada of all federally sentenced territorial citizens back to correctional centres nearer their home communities.

The common theme of the solutions proposed in the master development plan is the necessity to expand community correctional facilities and open custody release facilities. It is suggested that this overall approach occur as quickly as practicable in order to avoid the much greater costs of institution-based expansions in the future for both adult and young offender populations. Obviously, this extensive report and recommendations, prepared after a broad-based 18 month review process, will require careful analysis by the department, in the context of the overall justice plan which this Assembly recommended to be completed for next October.

That analysis has begun, Mr. Speaker, and I will welcome comments from the Members of this House and from the communities and the public as we proceed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 14-12(3): Master Development Plan For Corrections

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 194

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Ministers' Statements. Item 3, Members' Statements.

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Appreciation Of Mr. Dennis Patterson, M.l.a.

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 194

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Chairman of the Nunavut caucus, I would like to extend to Mr. Patterson our appreciation for the hard work he has performed as a Cabinet Minister for over 10 years.

---Applause

He has helped the government carry out many significant initiatives during the time he spent on the Cabinet and has aided the Nunavut caucus with his wise advice.

With reference to the replacement of Mr. Patterson on Cabinet, the Nunavut Caucus will be prepared to participate in the selection of a new Cabinet Minister later this week. Mr. Speaker, a number of Members have indicated their interest in standing for a Cabinet position. The preference of the caucus is to discuss this matter later this week after allowing Members time to confirm their interest. Thank you.

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Appreciation Of Mr. Dennis Patterson, M.l.a.

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 194

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' Statement. Mr. Patterson .

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Thanking Mr. Ningark For His Appreciation

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 194

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank my honourable colleague for his kind words. Mr. Speaker, I noticed the view from this side is quite different. I feel a little bit more secure over here.

---Applause

---Laughter

Of course, Mr. Speaker, I am honoured to be sitting alongside my elder and the dean of this Legislature, Mr. Pudluk , who I know will help me through the adjustments I will have to make, after 11 years as a Minister on the other side of this Legislature. I have been made to feel very welcome at my first meeting of the Ordinary Members' Caucus this morning, which I found very interesting.

Mr. Speaker, I know that I will get assistance from our capable staff in making this adjustment. In closing, Mr. Speaker, I just want to share a thought I had today as I sat down in this new seat with a new view. Today, for the first time in over a year, I will be relaxed and enjoying myself during question period. I promise not to ask any questions. Qujannamiik.

---Laughter

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Thanking Mr. Ningark For His Appreciation

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 194

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' Statements. Mr. Pudluk .

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Tribute To Mr. Timotee Idlout

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 194

Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement will be brief. I stand today to send my condolences concerning an elder in his 80s, Timotee Idlout. This man is well known by many people in my constituency. He is a wise man and he did not believe in living in a large community. During the days when people were living in outpost camps and they were sending them to the larger communities, he did not change his mind and he stayed at the outpost camp. He stayed at the camp until the end. His family also stayed with him in his camp. He had no desire to move into the larger community.

Although his mind was always at the camp, due to medical problems he had to move to a larger community where medical facilities are available. He is a well-known man and has helped many people by hunting and feeding the larger communities. This man will be greatly missed and will be remembered for a long time in our future. We send our condolences and sympathies to the family and friends. He has lived to an old age and God will bless the family.

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Tribute To Mr. Timotee Idlout

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 194

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Member's statements. Mr. Pudlat .

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Support For Mr. Dennis Patterson, M.l.a.

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 194

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I stand today to say a very short statement. We would like to welcome Mr. Patterson . He has not sat on this side with the ordinary M.L.A.s for many years, but we will be supportive, and work together. It is a good feeling to have him sitting on our side. I will want his support and I will request this from him. I do not want to prolong this, but I would like to welcome him and work with him. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Support For Mr. Dennis Patterson, M.l.a.

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 194

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Member's statements. Mr. Koe .

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Inuvik Municipal Election

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 194

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Inuvik's municipal elections were held in October. The voters elected a new mayor and almost a totally new council; only one incumbent councillor was re-elected. This election is similar to national trends and to other recent elections and votes which were held, which I think gave politicians a clear message to either change the way in which they behave and the way in which they deal with issues, or be replaced. The public is not happy with the status quo.

The new town council has begun its work with vigour and has developed an open door policy of working with the community, the government and the aboriginal organizations. The new council also recognizes that Inuvik is the regional centre and must cater to and be responsive to the needs of the surrounding communities.

I would like to congratulate all the elected Members of the Inuvik Town Council, especially the mayor elect, Mr. Paul Komaromi. I would also like to congratulate the newly elected Members of the community education council and the new chairperson, Mr. Lloyd Binder. With strong leadership and by working together, Inuvik can become a model community, representative of its multicultural base. The Inuvik Town Council will be aggressive in proposing to this government initiatives for decentralization and for more control over local decision-making.

I, for one, will be supporting and assisting the council in seeking, through special initiatives and projects, greater autonomy for Inuvik and region. Mahsi.

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Inuvik Municipal Election

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 195

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Nauhaaq Food Bank In Baker Lake

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 195

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wanted to discuss a presentation which was made to the Royal Commission on aboriginal people in Rankin Inlet by a person from Baker Lake, regarding the Nauhaaq Food Bank. I think the presentation made by this lady was very good. She starts off talking about the kinds of problems that ordinary people would have in the community of Baker Lake. I will quote some words that she used, because I think that the presentation was made very well.

I quote, "there are very few wage jobs in Baker Lake and the unemployment is around 80 per cent. It is really hard on people. Most of the men are hunters hunting caribou to feed their families, and it is our tradition to share what we have with people who do not have enough for themselves and their children. There are people in Baker Lake who make good salaries, and there are a few people, kabloona business men, who are getting rich. Many, many people can barely afford to feed their families from one week to the next."

She then goes on to describe the "walk of love" which I made a statement, on February 14, 1992, where she walked from the community of Baker Lake to the hill across the lake.

Further into her presentation, she went on to say, "We have gone on the radio asking for donations of country food and people have given us caribou to distribute. We have to give some people caribou because many people cannot afford to hunt for themselves. It costs money to operate the ski-doo, to buy gas and bullets. People get in a trap when they are on welfare. They are not allowed to spend welfare money on their ski-doo, and so, they cannot afford to hunt for themselves. They have no choice but to stay on welfare and even though they have nothing much to do, it is difficult for them to hunt for meat for their family".

She then goes on to give the reason why they now have the Nauhaaq Food Bank; there are a number of reasons why people need this kind of emergency food. People on welfare simply do not have enough money to make it through the entire month, especially if they have a large families and luxuries like a telephone to pay for, and if you have tried your hardest to make...

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 195

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Arngna'naaq , your allotted time has lapsed. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Nauhaaq Food Bank In Baker Lake

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 195

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue with my statement.

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Nauhaaq Food Bank In Baker Lake

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 195

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Nauhaaq Food Bank In Baker Lake

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 195

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, honourable colleagues. If you have tried your hardest to make your money last, but still you run out four days before the next welfare day, you are in trouble, because they will not give you any more money, period. I guess those are the rules.

She has further descriptions of the different kinds of income that are received, such as pensions and G.S.T. returns. They are written out for people who have low income. She goes on to say, "It is also hard for families like mine which depend on pension cheques. The pension cheques are very small because most people who are old today have worked outside the wage economy most of their lives, and the amount of pension they receive depends on the amount they paid into the pension plan through their work.

I experienced hunger myself many years ago, before we moved into the community. Game was scarce, and there was no welfare to help people out. Many people were very hungry then, but it is really frustrating today to see people trapped in the community who are willing, but not able, to hunt and unable to make it to the end of the month on what they get from welfare. I have been told that you would like to hear recommendations about how aboriginal people's lives could be improved. I guess I could suggest that governments should support food banks like ours. That would not really solve anything.

Instead, I want to tell governments to raise welfare and pension levels so that people in Baker Lake and other communities can at least feed their families without having to go to a food bank. I think it is a disgrace that there have to be food banks in such a rich country as Canada. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Nauhaaq Food Bank In Baker Lake

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 196

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' Statements. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Bella Alexie Turning 100 Years Old

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 196

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wanted to draw the attention of my colleagues here to a celebration that took place in Fort McPherson on Friday, which I did not have the opportunity to attend because of some other factors here in this Assembly. Mr. Speaker, we have another elder who has reached the century mark. Bella Alexie turned 100 years old on Friday.

---Applause

I do not really know what it is, Mr. Speaker, that we feed our people in Fort McPherson, but it seems that they eat properly because they live a long life. We are one of the very few communities that seems to continually celebrate individuals and elders who turn 100. For that we are fortunate, but I do want to say that this elder is also the sister of a recently deceased lady by the name of Charlotte Vehus who was 96 years old. I wanted to draw your attention to the celebration that took place.

I want to thank Robert Alexie Sr., who is the sub-chief, and the son of Bella Alexie, who invited me to the celebrations, but again, I was unable to attend. I just want to say congratulations to Bella Alexie. I know that her family, Ann Walter, Robert, her grandchildren, her great-grandchildren and probably her great-great-grandchildren all would want me to say how proud we are of the elder, Bella Alexie. I would like to thank the chief in council, the mayor, and the hamlet council and all those who participated in preparing for the festivities that took place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 196

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' Statements. Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Mr. Allooloo .

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Further Return To Question 77-12(3): Clean Up Of Gas Drums

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 196

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Pudlat on November 24, 1992. The Member for Baffin South is correct in stating that many fuel drums remain on the land as a result of past activities. I have expressed my personal concern over these practices on many occasions. Responsibility for removing these drums rests firstly with those who placed them there. Unfortunately, many of these drums are old, and the owners cannot be found. To address this concern, the petroleum and products division of the Department of Government Services and Public Works has a drum crushing program.

In recent years, residents of several communities in Kitikmeot, Keewatin, Baffin, and South Slave regions have been hired to crush fuel drums located near these communities using the mechanical drum crusher. In three years of operation, the program has crushed more than 28,000 drums in seven communities. The drum crusher is currently located in Baker Lake. The Department of Government Services and Public Works will send the drum crusher to other communities if the service is required. The federal Department of Indian and Northern Affairs also owns four drum crushers located in the Keewatin and Baffin regions.

The federal government also plans to purchase a further four crushers to be located in the Baffin, Inuvik, and Fort Simpson regions, along with two metal shredders to be located in Coral Harbour and the western Arctic. The green plan's Arctic Environmental Strategy is providing funding for the operation of this equipment. Mr. Speaker, as these programs move old drums, we must take care that our own activities no longer leave drums on the land. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 77-12(3): Clean Up Of Gas Drums

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 196

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 4, Returns to Oral Questions. Item 5, Oral Questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 124-12(3): Position On Support For Forming Credit Unions

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 196

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister responsible for the Department of Economic Development and Tourism. Mr. Speaker, banking in today's time is very important to the people of this country, especially in the N.W.T. Banking is important to all the staff, to go through training, and to all the customers, to save money and borrow money for essential items such as hunting equipment in smaller and remote communities. Mr. Speaker, my question is what is, the Department of Economic Development and Tourism's position on supporting the initiative of the Arctic co-ops to form credit unions across the territories? Thank you.

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Question 124-12(3): Position On Support For Forming Credit Unions

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 196

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pollard .

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Return To Question 124-12(3): Position On Support For Forming Credit Unions

Question 124-12(3): Position On Support For Forming Credit Unions

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 196

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our position is supportive, but not to the point where we are prepared at this time to look at putting any money into that venture. We have talked to the federal government on behalf of the cooperatives, and we have met with them on two occasions. We are supportive, Mr. Speaker, and we will lend them assistance in the future. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 196

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the highest employers of native people may be the government. Mr. Speaker, when will the Minister consider financial support for the initiative which has been requested by the Arctic co-ops on behalf of the co-op within this jurisdiction? Thank you.

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 196

John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I have made it very clear to Arctic co-operatives on a number of occasions that this

government does not have any money to put into that particular venture. I have never stated differently. I have never given them cause to believe that the territorial government will put money into credit unions, and my position has not changed. We will assist them, however, in receiving or accessing federal funding for that venture. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 125-12(3): Vacant Positions On The Baffin Regional Health Board

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 197

Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Health . The Baffin Regional Health Board has vacant positions for Lake Harbour, Clyde River and Broughton Island. The health board has given names to the Minister of available people who could be appointed. They will be having a meeting this weekend and would like to know who has been appointed by the Minister. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I do not have the information right here but I will provide it to the Member at the earliest possible time today.

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Question 126-12(3): Justify Moving Fort Smith Regional Manager Position To Hay River

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Page 197

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Culture and Communications . Mr. Speaker, I was recently advised that the regional manager's position in Fort Smith has been moved to Hay River. I have been told that the number of positions moving from Fort Smith to Hay River is on the increase. I will have to find out the details and check whether that comment is correct. I would like to ask the Minister what the justification is for the position moving to Hay River where there are very few fluent Cree and Chipewyan speaking individuals using this position compared to Fort Smith. Thank you.

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Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The language bureau regional manager position in Fort Smith must supervise community-based interpreter/translators outside of Fort Smith, for example, in Snowdrift, Hay River, Fort Simpson and Rae-Edzo. There are no aboriginal languages interpreter/translator staff members in Fort Smith. Our records indicate no call for government interpreting services within the community. The reason is, Mr. Speaker, that this remote management situation has proven to be difficult and inefficient. We have decided to relocate the supervisor closer to the people he is working with. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, it was my understanding that the position was to assist not only the community but the individuals who needed any type of service of program delivery with regard to Cree and Chipewyan. Now the Minister is indicating to me that the position is moved for the convenience of supervising communities such as Fort Simpson, Rae-Edzo, Snowdrift or Hay River. There are different dialects in those communities. I would like to ask the Minister, what was the purpose of that particular position? Thank you.

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Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, I do not know exactly what languages are spoken by these individual interpreters and translators. I will have to take that question as notice and report back.

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Michael Ballantyne

Question has been taken as notice. Item 5, Oral Questions. Mr. Gargan .

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Question 127-12(3): Changes Within Department Of Culture And Communications

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Page 197

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Culture and Communications . Last week, Mr. Speaker, I asked the Minister a question with regard to the interpreter position in Hay River. He replied that he wanted Culture and Education to amalgamate before making any decisions. Once the amalgamation has taken place, the Minister indicated that he did not wish to make any major changes until he had a plan in place.

I do not know if the plan is in place, or if he have been able to relocate the translator position from Fort Smith to Hay River, but I would like to ask the Minister whether he is making these major changes with the Department of Culture and Communications.

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Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Fort Smith position the Member is asking about is being moved to Hay River government offices to supervise the interpreter/translators in that region from closer offices. I do not think that not relocating a position from Hay River to the Hay River Reserve is a similar situation because as I said in answer to the previous questions two days ago, in the government offices in Hay River the interpreter/translator position is serving those government offices. I do not think there is a relationship between those two questions, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister with regard to the interpreter position in Hay River, who is Raymond Sonfrere? Is the Minister telling me now that

the regional director's position is being transferred to Hay River to supervise this individual? Is that what I am hearing?

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Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, no, it is not to supervise one individual. It is also to supervise other offices in the communities which I have mentioned.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you. If the individual is going to be supervising more than the one translator position, which other employees is this individual going to be supervising?

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This supervisor will be supervising aboriginal language interpreter/translator staff members in four communities: Hay River; Rae-Edzo; Fort Simpson; and one more.

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Question 128-12(3): Feasibility Study In Cape Dorset

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Page 198

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , regarding the Cape Dorset initiative for the museum. Could I have an update on the feasibility study that was going on in the fall of last year?

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Michael Ballantyne

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I will have the department write Mr. Pudlat a letter and bring him up to date on the activities in Cape Dorset. Thank you.

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Question 129-12(3): Update On Transfer Of Adult Education Building In Inuvik

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Page 198

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Education . Earlier this year the Northwest Territories Native Women's Association in Inuvik applied to take over the old adult education building to be used as a training facility. Can the Minister please let us know the status of this transfer?

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I recognize the Native Women's Association is a valid program. I have visited the centre myself. Right now the department is investigating the situation with D.P.W. to look at the funding for that association. Although the Education Act has agreed to turn over the old adult education building to Native Women's Association for $1, the facilities would cost about $15,000 to upgrade. As soon as we are able to come up with something to help the Native Women's Association in that regard, I will report to the Member.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Why is this investigation taking so long? They have been investigating for six months, and I do not believe that it takes that long just to look at this building. According to my information, this work was done last spring. Why are we waiting for more investigations?

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, I think the Member would appreciate that there are a lot of things involved in moving our own Members to new locations. The adult education centre is not in very good shape and it takes two departments to determine how much work needs to be done. What I will do, Mr. Speaker, is try to get something going as quickly as possible because I am also anxious to get that resolved.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the Minister's response. You mentioned that you visited the existing facility and it is very overcrowded. Please have your officials talk with each other and get something done. How soon do you expect this asset to be turned over?

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be requesting the Minister of Public Works to meet with me and see if we can speed this up. I cannot tell you exactly when. That centre, like any other small community, is having an upgrading program for the low level grades and has helped many of these women tremendously. I think it deserves attention as quickly as possible and I will be asking the Minister about it as quickly as possible.

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Question 130-12(3): Update On Winter Road From Fort Smith To Fort Chipewyan

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 199

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Transportation . Mr. Speaker, the Minister is aware that a motion was put forth in this House last June to get assistance from the Government of the Northwest Territories to attempt to keep the winter road open between Fort Smith and Fort Chipewyan through Wood Buffalo National Park. The Minister wrote me in September stating that he was looking into it. I have recognized that he has met with the federal Minister and the Alberta Minister. Has the Minister received any word or update as to the result of the request and the motion placed in the House for assistance of in keeping that winter road open?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, Mr. Speaker, I have not received a yes or no from the federal people as to whether or not they were going to continue with this road. I have made telephone calls to various places to ascertain whether or not the federal government will continue with the winter road. I was hoping to have an answer by tomorrow, as I had told to the Member last week that I would have some answer for her. At this present time, no.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, Oral Questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 131-12(3): Funding For Lake Harbour Airstrip

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Transportation . In the month of September I asked the same question and received a reply. I would like to know if there is going to be any funding for our airstrip. It used to be a lake before, and it is getting worse. I am sure that the airstrip could be lengthened. I would like to know if there were to be an emergency situation that would arise before then, would there be funding available? Would the Minister be able to come and see the airstrip himself sometime in the future? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would be pleased to accept the invitation of the Member to visit Lake Harbour and to have a look at the airstrip at some point in the future.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question 132-12(3): Justification For Hiring Additional Positions

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Page 199

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Government Services and Public Works . Recently both departments were amalgamated and the intent was to consolidate services and in some cases eliminate the duplication of positions and save money. Today, Mr. Speaker, in the News/North, I noted two advertisements; one for three regional manager positions, for regional managers of supply services; and I am not sure whether it is six or nine positions for information technology professionals. From the advertisements it looks like these are all new positions. What is the justification for hiring for these positions?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know that the Department of Public Works cut the most PYs of any government department in this year's cuts. The justification of advertising those positions is, we need them. I am fairly sure that I have no more PYs in those departments. I will look into it for the Member and I will get back to him. I will take the question as notice.

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Michael Ballantyne

The question has been taken as notice. Oral Questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 133-12(3): Natilikmiot Interpreter At Stanton Yellowknife Hospital

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 199

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Government Leader . Mr. Speaker, on a number of occasions since session has started I have directed my questions to the former Minister of Health regarding interpreting staff who speak the Natilikmiot dialect at the Stanton Yellowknife Hospital. To my disappointment, Mr. Speaker, I was provided with the name of someone from another community who does not speak the dialect of Natilikmiot.

Given that the medical profession is highly recognized and that there has to be an understanding between the doctor and the patient in order for the treatment...(microphone turned off)...did I speak without the microphone?

The medical profession is highly recognized, and one of the most important requirements for treatment to be successful, is that the doctor and patient be able to understand one another.

Since we do not have any interpreting staff which speaks my dialect and we have a number of unilingual patients coming from Pelly Bay, Gjoa Haven and Spence Bay to Yellowknife for medical treatment, would the Minister consider, before the hiring of new staff, providing an escort who would be able to translate/interpret for patients travelling to Yellowknife? Thank you.

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Page 199

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Page 199

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I will have the Department of Health evaluate that situation with the Stanton Yellowknife Board to see if we can accommodate that request. I know that it is a concern to all Members that the proper

dialect be delivered when the relationship between the doctor and patient is being conducted. I will check into the matter to see if we can resolve the issue. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral Questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Question 143-12(3): Non-violation Of Collective Agreement

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 200

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Personnel . Mr. Speaker, I posed to the Minister of Personnel a written question with respect to a treatment coordinator position at the Trailcross facility in Fort Smith. I am aware that the position is currently vacant, with different individuals acting in that position. This position was advertised. Apparently there was an agreement made between the individual and the department. However, that particular agreement did not have a signature block for the union.

Article 301 of the U.N.W. agreement indicates that the employer must recognize the union as the exclusive bargaining agent for all employees in the bargaining unit. In my written question I asked if the U.N.W. agreement was violated and the Minister indicated in his response that the collective agreement was not violated. Can the Minister indicate to me why he stated that the collective agreement was not violated? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the person who held the job had asked for a transfer. It was a voluntary request for a transfer. The employee was informed of his right to union representation. I understand the employee declined that right. That is why I was advised that the collective agreement was not violated.

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Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My facts are different. According to a number of letters which I reviewed on this issue, the employee did not ask for a voluntary transfer, but was pressed into a transfer. Therefore, this deal was struck between the employee and the department. Since the Minister indicated that the union-negotiated agreement was not violated and since he indicated that the employee declined that right, is it the practice of the Department of Personnel to allow for voluntary transfers, or any type of transfer from an individual's position to another position without notice being granted to the union? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it is not the practice of the department. As I understand it, the employee had agreed to a transfer and was advised that union representation was available. The employee understood this very clearly and still declined to use that right. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not agree with the Minister's comments, Mr. Speaker. I received a call from the regional vice president from the Union of Northern Workers, which indicated to me that the Minister was categorically incorrect, and that

article 301 was broken. Since that particular

article was broken and this individual was placed in a different position, but, from my understanding, has been asked whether or not he would consider going back to the treatment coordinator position, would the Minister review this particular issue and determine whether that treatment coordinator position is in fact the proper position that should be available to the individual? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I will review this case again. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, Oral Questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Question 135-12(3): Courses For Aboriginal Languages

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 200

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister who is responsible for the Language Commissioner. The concern I have is about the standardization of the Dene language in my part of the world. It was brought to my attention that there are a number of different courses offered to Dene people in our languages. There is no coordinated effort, at this point, to have one standard form. There seem to be different courses: the justice course at Arctic College and the interpreters' course, and there seems to be a different way of approaching it.

There are also some researchers who are also creating their own courses. The concern is that the Language Commissioner has not been to the Dene area in the southwestern Nahendeh and Deh Cho area since she got in there, so I was wondering if she could be asked to go into this area and deal with it? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

To clarify the role of the Language Commissioner, she is responsible to the Legislative Assembly through the office of the Speaker. So perhaps the Government Leader or the Minister responsible for Culture and Communications would like to deal with this question. Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I believe the Member is asking us to relay a concern, and a messenger will do that to whomever the concern should be relayed to. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Madam Premier . Item 5, Oral Questions. Mr. Gargan .

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Question 136-12(3): Result Of Court Case Regarding Egg Marketing

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Friday, the territorial government was taken to court by the Canadian Egg Marketing Agency with regard to the transportation of eggs outside the territories. I would like to ask the Minister of Economic Development what the result of the court case was.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are two court cases; one federal and one in the territorial supreme court. Mr. Gargan is correct, the supreme court case went ahead on Friday and the judge reserved his decision, so we expect a decision this week, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question 137-12(3): Assessment Of Positions Within Department Of Public Works

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 201

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Personnel . This Assembly has heard a lot with regard to the matter of privatization and the downsizing of government. I want to ask the honourable Member if he has done an assessment of the number of positions that could be lost, which are now occupied by aboriginal people, in particular in the Department of Public Works?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the answer is no.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. I would like to ask the Minister if he could embark upon a review process to indicate the potential consequences to aboriginal or northern workers in the privatization policy.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, yes.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I would like to take this opportunity to welcome in the public gallery students from the Sir John Franklin High School northern studies class and their instructor George Diveky.

---Applause

Item 5, Oral Questions. Item 6, Written Questions. Item 7, Returns to Written Questions. Item 8, Replies to Opening Address. Item 9, Petitions. Item 10, Reports of Standing and Special Committees. Item 11, Reports of Committees on the Review of Bills. Item 12, Tabling of Documents. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to table the following document, Tabled Document 20-12(3), a copy of a survey form entitled "Questionnaire for Northern Trade Unions about the N.W.T. Workers' Compensation System."

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 12, Tabling of Documents. Item 13, Notices of Motion. Item 14, Notices of Motions for First Reading of Bills. Mr. Pollard .

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Bill 13: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 4, 1991-92

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I give notice that on Wednesday, December 2, 1992 I shall move that Bill 13, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 4, 1991-92, be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

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Bill 14: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1992-93

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Wednesday, December 2, 1992, I shall move that Bill 14, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1992-93, be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Bill 11:

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Nunakput , that Bill 11,

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Your motion is in order, Mr. Pollard . All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 11 has had first reading. Item 16, First Reading of Bills. Ms. Cournoyea .

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Bill 12:

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Sahtu , that Bill 12,

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Your motion is in order, Ms. Cournoyea . All those in favour of the motion? All those opposed to the motion? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Bill 12 has had first reading. Item 17, Second Reading of Bills. Bill 8 and Bill 10 have been stood down for today and will be on the order paper for tomorrow. Item 18, Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters: Committee Report 1-12(3), Standing Committee on Finance Report on the Review of the 1993-94 Capital Estimates; and Bill 1, Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1993-94 with Mr. Ningark in the Chair.

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Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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The Chair

John Ningark

We will now come to order. When we concluded Friday in this committee, we concluded the Department of Health of the 1993-94 Capital Estimates. What is the wish of the committee? Mr. Nerysoo , did you have your hand up earlier?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Chairman, I was going to suggest that we deal with the Department of Social Services, the Department of Renewable Resources and the Legislative Assembly in that particular order this afternoon.

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The Chair

John Ningark

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . Do we have the concurrence of this committee that we deal with Social Services, Renewable Resources and the Legislative Assembly?

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Some Hon. Members

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---Agreed

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Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1993-94 And Committee Report 1-12(3): Review Of The 1993-94 Capital Estimates

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The Chair

John Ningark

Thank you. Since we have been moving fairly quickly since 1:30 p.m., I will reward the committee and take a 15 minute recess.

---SHORT BREAK

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Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1993-94 And Committee Report 1-12(3): Review Of The 1993-94 Capital Estimates

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The Chair

John Ningark

Good afternoon, the committee will now come to order. Concerning page 13-10 of the 1993-94 Capital Estimates, there was a request from the committee to deal with Social Services and there was an agreement by the committee to deal with that department. I will now go to Madam Premier , who represents the whole department for the time being. Madam Premier , please make your opening remarks.

Department of Social Services, Introductory Remarks

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Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1993-94 And Committee Report 1-12(3): Review Of The 1993-94 Capital Estimates

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Page 202

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Yes, Mr. Chairman. In the presentation of the Department of Social Services, the 1993-94 Capital Estimates include 13 projects, which total $3.468 million. Due to the continuation of the financial restraint program, the department's capital budget remains at a reduced level, although there are growing demands on our services during these tough economic times. The major thrust in the department of the coming year, in family and children's services, is to complete the group home in Baker Lake.

In the community and family support services area the thrust is to commence and planning for an elders' residence in Fort Resolution and Gjoa Haven and to build a handicapped group home in Rankin Inlet and to commence planning for one in Inuvik. The remainder of the budget is for renovations to existing facilities, purchases of minor items of furniture and equipment and planning and design for new facilities.

I hope that there will be support from the Members for these requests, and I want to bring in the departmental official to help me answer any questions that the Members may have. Thank you.

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Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1993-94 And Committee Report 1-12(3): Review Of The 1993-94 Capital Estimates

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Page 202

The Chair

John Ningark

Thank you, Madam Premier . Before we bring in the witnesses, I wonder if the Standing Committee on Finance or the Standing Committee on Legislation have any presentations to make? Ms. Mike .

Standing Committee On Finance Comments

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Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1993-94 And Committee Report 1-12(3): Review Of The 1993-94 Capital Estimates

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Page 202

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The recommendations from the Standing Committee on Finance...(translation ends)

...feeling that alcohol and drug addiction is a disease, and as a result it seems to natural to integrate health and hospital facilities to achieve economy of scale. This should result in cost savings. The committee feels that the government should conduct a feasibility study on the merits of integrating these facilities. However, this study should take into consideration the development of culturally appropriate treatment models.

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Committee Motion 32-12(3): To Adopt Recommendation No. 32

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

I move that this committee recommends that the Departments of Social Services and Health conduct a feasibility study on the merits of integrating alcohol and drug facilities with health and hospital facilities.

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The Chair

John Ningark

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion.

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An Hon. Member

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The Chair

John Ningark

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Continue, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The committee has recommended that planning for the new Inuvik hospital commence in 1993-94 and that alcohol and drug facilities be planned in conjunction with hospital facilities.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

I move that this committee recommends that the Departments of Social Services and Health carry out a needs study and program plan for an alcohol and drug treatment centre in Inuvik, in conjunction with the programming for a new or renovated hospital in Inuvik during 1993-94.

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John Ningark

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion.

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John Ningark

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

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Page 203

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. During the review of the 1992-93 Capital Estimates the committee recommended that the planning proceed and a specific location be committed for the group home in the Fort Smith region, based on serving the most people in the best way possible. To the committee's shock, this item has been removed completely from the 1993-94 capital plan, to meet the department's capital target provided by the financial board, we were told. However, there are funds set aside for additions to museums. We are greatly disappointed by this behaviour.

The N.W.T. residents in need of treatment must live in Alberta, instead of being closer to their families. Our capital management has to be better than this. Staff and politicians have to be trained, reinforced, reprimanded or otherwise motivated to do better for the people of the Northwest Territories.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

I move that this committee recommends that the Department of Social Services put the Fort Smith region handicapped adults group home back into the 1993-94 Capital Estimates, $1.041 million, and designate a site for it.

That concludes the recommendations.

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John Ningark

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion.

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John Ningark

Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.

---Carried

Thank you. That concludes the recommendations, Ms. Mike ?

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Baffin Central

Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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John Ningark

Thank you. Prior to the presentation by the Standing Committee on Finance, Madam Premier was requesting to bring in the witnesses. Do we have the blessing of the committee for Madam Premier to bring in the witnesses?

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--- Agreed

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John Ningark

Thank you. Proceed, Madam Premier . Thank you. Madam Premier , for the record, would you please introduce the witnesses?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I have with me Deputy Minister for Social Services , Mr. Blair Dunbar.

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The Chair

John Ningark

Welcome, to the committee, Mr. Dunbar. Are there any general comments on the department? Shall we proceed line by line? Agreed?

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---Agreed

Family And Children's Services

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The Chair

John Ningark

Social Services, family and children's services, buildings and works, headquarters, total region $136,000. Agreed?

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