Debates of May 27th, 1998

This is page numbers 1433 - 1457 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was judicial .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministers Absent From The House

Hook Lake Bison Recovery Project

Small Boat Safety Awareness Program

Oil And Gas Activity In The Sahtu And Liard Regions

Tribute To Arctic Co-operatives Limited

Unwarranted Criticism Of The Nunavut Interim Commissioner's Office

Northwestel Rate Subsidy Application

Concerns Regarding State Of Education In The Nwt

Sudden Deaths In The Amittuq Constituency

Range Lake Low Water Level

Global Climate Change

Turning Point Alcohol And Drug Facility

Promotion And Usage Of Official Languages

Reflections On Good Government

Equitable Division Of Assets And Liabilities

Return To Oral Question 536-13(5): GNWT Final Settlement Offer

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Keewatin Airport Transfer Project

Arctic Co-operative Marketing Strategy

Telecommunication Services In The Nwt

Addressing Education Concerns

Potential Increase In Market Rents

Possible Closure Of Turning Point Centre

Strategy To Address Global Climate Change

Keewatin Pilot Project

Meeting On Keewatin Pilot Project

Highway Strategy Development

Constitutional Consultation Package

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Written Question 14-13(5): Highwood Resources Project Proposal

Written Question 15-13(5): Discussions Regarding Nunavut Civil Servants

Written Question 16-13(5): Baffin Driver Examiner

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Tabled Document 100-13(5): Letter Regarding A Shortage Of Affordable Housing In Clyde River

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Amend Clause 10 Of Bill 7

To Amend Clause 11 Of Bill 7

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 107-13(5): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise the Members that the Honourable Charles Dent will be absent from the House for the remainder of the week to attend the Third National Forum on Education in St. John's, Newfoundland. Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Kelvin Ng will be absent from the House today due to illness. Mr. Speaker, I also wish to advise Members that I will be absent from the House on Friday, May 29th, to attend a meeting of Ministers responsible for Transportation and Highway Safety in Edmonton on behalf of the Honourable Jim Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 107-13(5): Ministers Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. I understand that Mr. Antoine and Mr. Kakfwi are just on their way from the airport. They will be here. Mr. Morin , are you going to do their statements?

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Minister's Statement 108-13(5): Hook Lake Bison Recovery Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, their plane was late so they will be here in a few minutes. Mr. Speaker, developing partnerships with community organizations is a key ingredient in the success of our wildlife management programs. Today, I am pleased to provide Members with an update on a successful management project in Fort Resolution involving the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development and the Deninu Ku'e First Nation.

For the past several years, community members have been working on a plan to repopulate the Hook Lake area with bison that are free from brucellosis and tuberculosis. There used to be several thousand bison in the Hook Lake area, but due to these diseases, the population is now only a few hundred animals. In the past three years, 62 healthy bison calves have been captured near Hook Lake and brought to a large corral near Fort Resolution. Here, they are tested, treated with antibiotics and vaccinated. The 22 calves that were captured this spring will be held for a year before they are released into a larger corral with 38 adults from previous captures.

Mr. Speaker, this year's capture marks the end of the first phase of this project. During the coming years, the 60 captive bison will be allowed to breed. In five years, there could be as many as 150 disease-free bison in corrals near Fort Resolution, enough to form the basis for a healthy herd which can be reintroduced into the Hook Lake area.

In the meantime, residents of the community will consider what to do with the remaining bison in the wild. Many are likely infected with brucellosis and tuberculosis, and until they are removed, the healthy animals captured during the past three years cannot be returned to their natural home.

Mr. Speaker, the Hook Lake Bison Recovery Project is another example of the government's leadership in effective, responsible wildlife management. It points to the success of working in partnership with community organizations such as the Aboriginal Wildlife Harvesters Committee, which is made up of the Deninu Ku'e First Nation and the Metis Nation Local. This project also demonstrates our commitment to providing a sustainable resource for future generations of northerners. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 108-13(5): Hook Lake Bison Recovery Project

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 109-13(5): Small Boat Safety Awareness Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, this year I would like to ask the Members of the Legislative Assembly to help launch the Small Boat Safety Awareness Program for 1998. The program is an educational initiative aimed at improving public awareness of water and boating safety. Since 1995, the Department of Transportation has managed the program's delivery in the Northwest Territories for the federal Department of Fisheries and Oceans and Canadian Coast Guard. The Northwest Territories has the highest rate of drowning fatalities per capita in Canada. Many, if not all, of these drownings are preventable and prevention is the aim of the Small Boat Safety Program.

Each spring, people from the many organizations participating in the program attend the training seminar. The number of participating organizations has grown over the years to include the Departments of Municipal and Community Affairs; National Defence; Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development; the Royal Canadian Mounted Police; the Canadian Red Cross; Sports North; NWT Canoeing Association; NWT Hunters and Trappers Association; NWT Coast Guard Auxiliary; the Yellowknife Fire Department and both Students Against Drinking and Driving groups at St. Patrick and Sir John Franklin High schools in Yellowknife.

The program enlists people in the communities to teach our young people about the importance and proper use of boating safety equipment, safe loading limits for passengers and cargo, as well as the use of a boat's power rating to match the boat and the motor properly. All our territorial schools are visited before summer begins. As the boating season progresses, meetings are held with Hunters and Trappers Associations, yacht clubs and the general public. Last year, the Small Boat Safety Program reached 20,000 people in 44 communities across the Northwest Territories.

The target audience for 1998 will again be our children. Most boating fatalities are alcohol related and involve young men between 16 and 35 years of age. The program directs its message at young people, so that as they grow up and before they reach the critical age group, safe boating is already part of their thinking.

You will remember PUKTA, the Water Safety Bear, from last year's program launch. The Canadian Coast Guard has adopted PUKTA as its mascot and PUKTA now appears regularly across Canada promoting water safety. Several Members of the Assembly made public service announcements that were broadcast through the boating season on TVNC and CBC North with great success. This year, there are already a variety of public service announcements related to water safety playing on television.

I am pleased to invite you to take

part in the launching of the 1998 Program in the Great Hall during this afternoon's break. The presentation is centred on the viewing of some public service videos on water safety.

Mr. Speaker, the growing interest of communities in taking a greater

part in the Small Boat Safety Awareness Program indicates its success. As the season progresses, you will see more and more communities taking the lead in encouraging water and boating safety in their areas. I know that Members are with me in hoping that the Small Boat Safety Awareness Program contributes to a safe, accident-free boating season this year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 109-13(5): Small Boat Safety Awareness Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 110-13(5): Oil And Gas Activity In The Sahtu And Liard Regions

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Now that the Sahtu and Gwich'in land claims have been settled, oil and gas exploration in the Mackenzie Valley is well underway. The last three years have resulted in the awarding of 14 exploration licences, with selected companies proposing to spend a minimum of $50 million over the term of their licences. Oil and gas exploration has also been occurring in the Liard region since 1994. Fourteen exploration licences have been awarded. This significant amount of investment sends a very important signal of the resource potential of the region and its increasing role in the economic development of the Mackenzie Valley.

Over the last year, communities in the Sahtu and numerous oil companies have been negotiating land access and benefits agreements, as required by land claim settlements. Tulita has recently announced successful agreements with Cascade Oil and Gas and Imperial Oil. These agreements will pave the way for exploratory drilling to begin next winter.

In the Fort Good Hope region, the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development is mediating between the community and Alberta Energy on access to Alberta Energy's exploration licence. It is anticipated that an agreement can be reached in time for next winter's exploration season.

Mr. Speaker, the oil and gas industry is, and will continue to be, a critical driver of economic development in the Liard and Sahtu regions. Through the provision of meaningful benefits and the development of valuable infrastructures, communities in these regions will have more opportunities to grow and prosper. In the gas industry, the current development of the Ikhil gas field to supply natural gas to Inuvik is a successful example of northerners benefiting from northern resources. Mr. Speaker, our government will continue to look at new ways in which northern resources can be used to enhance other economic opportunities in the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 110-13(5): Oil And Gas Activity In The Sahtu And Liard Regions

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 437-13(5): Tribute To Arctic Co-operatives Limited

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to point out the successes and the accomplishments of the Arctic Co-operatives Limited which is a well-established organization across the Northwest Territories. First, I would like to take this time to thank the Arctic Co-operatives Limited and its affiliated companies for the assistance they gave to the community of Fort McPherson after the Co-op store was destroyed by fire.

At the same time, I would like to thank the residents of Fort McPherson for all the work and effort that has been done to ensure that the Co-op continues to operate and deliver good service to the people of Fort McPherson. Mr. Speaker, the Co-op has been in existence in the Northwest Territories for some 25 years, in which the pioneers of the Co-op had a dream of eventually maintaining and running Co-op stores which are owned and operated by the shareholders and the people in the communities. Mr.

Speaker, Co-ops have served the people of the north well from the days of just running the store operations to now being into the cable industry and to fuel delivery, hotels to gas stations, you name it, they have played a role in developing our communities. Mr. Speaker, the Co-op is one of the leading employers of NWT aboriginal people. Today, they employ some 700 people in the Northwest Territories. They are owned and controlled by some 14,000 dedicated people as

shareholders of this corporation.

At the same time, I would like to pay tribute to those people who have pioneered and had the vision and ambition some 25 years ago to take the step of ensuring that there will be control, ownership and dedication by the people in the communities.

One of the things that the Co-operative effort is presently doing and looking at is the wholesale and marketing of crafts, cravings and other artifacts that are made in the north and produced in the north for which they have established a retail operation and wholesale marketing distribution by establishing a store in Edmonton through Northern Images to sell northern products. With that, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the Co-op movement and the Arctic Co-operatives Limited for their efforts in ensuring that aboriginal people and the people of the north have a say in what happens in our communities. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 437-13(5): Tribute To Arctic Co-operatives Limited

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 438-13(5): Unwarranted Criticism Of The Nunavut Interim Commissioner's Office

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with little more than 300 days left before the official creation of Nunavut, the pressure on our new government officials is at its peak. Mr. Jack Anawak, our Interim Commissioner, and the recently appointed deputy ministers and assistant deputy ministers will be sitting before a very full plate with their collective sleeves rolled up for the foreseeable future.

Mr. Speaker, I have every confidence that each of these individuals will do their best to meet their objectives, to oversee a smooth transition of government services, and carry out the daily responsibilities of the new Nunavut government. Yes, Mr. Speaker, there will be wrinkles and hurdles to overcome.

Unfortunately, there have been a lot of criticism and voices of doom from various quarters regarding our officials and their ability to meet the time lines and to get the new government up and running. Mr. Speaker, I cannot think of anything more destructive to the success of a new government than a barrage of negative comments and ongoing criticism unless, of course, it is constructive criticism.

Mr. Speaker, one only has to listen to the radio and watch television to see that even long established government and their Members have their differences and uphill battles in their efforts to provide effective and efficient government. Differences are to be expected, but they can and should be discussed in a respectful manner as they are usually resolved more effectively and in a friendly and cooperative environment. Mr. Speaker, I believe this is the Nunavut way.

Considering the daunting work load our Interim Commissioner and deputy ministers are facing, I think we should make every effort to work with them and support their staff. They are not, after all, merely sitting on their duffs doing nothing. Finally, Mr. Speaker, we need to keep an eye on the big picture, and that is Nunavut. Nunavut citizens have dreamed, planned and worked for a very long time to set up their own government. We cannot allow petty egos and resentments to slow down this process. After all, Mr. Speaker, the Nunavut dream is at our doorstep. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 438-13(5): Unwarranted Criticism Of The Nunavut Interim Commissioner's Office

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Ms. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 439-13(5): Northwestel Rate Subsidy Application

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, NorthwesTel, a telecommunications company wholly owned by Bell Canada, the largest company in Canada in terms of capitalization, recently stated that it needs an annual subsidy of between $20 and $30 million per year to continue providing phone services in the north after July 1, 2000.

July 1, 2000, Mr. Speaker, is when the telecommunications industry in the Northwest Territories reaches its first milestone in the long distance liberalization game. Long distance providers will be able to compete in NorthwesTel's operating area.

However, if you look at the numbers, the $18 million accounts for $2.5 million averaged annually in expended credits from 1991 to 1998. There are still unreported credits left. NorthwesTel netted $13 million in 1996, and if it did not conveniently write down its cable division last fiscal year, it would have netted $10 million. It is obvious that an annual $2.5 million loss in deferred credit can be easily absorbed by NorthwesTel.

NorthwesTel must have become very comfortable operating as a monopoly. It has requested that Canada's telecommunications company and even the federal government should pay into a national fund aimed at subsidizing service in Canada's high cost regions. I say to NorthwesTel, welcome to reality. Most northern businesses are built on sweat and prowess of determined and insightful entrepreneurs. The telecommunications business should not be any different.

Mr. Speaker, northern business people do not go hat in hand to the government every time there is new competition in town. Northern businesses face competition every day, locally and extra territorially. If anyone deserves an operational subsidy, Mr. Speaker, it would be northern businesses who have been paying the exorbitant rates we have for our phone services for many, many years. If NorthwesTel cannot maintain local services, then I am confident that there is someone out there who can. The more I analyze their proposal, the more apparent it is that NorthwesTel... Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to continue my statement. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 439-13(5): Northwestel Rate Subsidy Application

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? Mrs. Groenewegen , you have unanimous consent.

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Member's Statement 439-13(5): Northwestel Rate Subsidy Application

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The more I analyze their proposal, the more apparent it is that at NorthwesTel, panhandling is a mission statement, competition is a four-letter word and squander is an everyday management tool.

Mr. Speaker, technological progress in the telecommunications industry means that monopolies, government control and protected markets are no longer sustainable. Mr. Speaker, I am going to shorten my statement here just to get to the end of it. Mr. Speaker, I believe there will be many comments and discussion on this subject, and I think it is a good one that we debate, but I believe that the government should do NorthwesTel a favour by telling them to face up to the market conditions. Mr. Speaker, I want to tell NorthwesTel that denial is not just a river in Egypt. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 440-13(5): Concerns Regarding State Of Education In The Nwt

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, for the past two days, we have been discussing and debating the state of education in the NWT. All indications seem to point out that things have not been good in the NWT for the past ten years, although some Members have reported positively that we have come a long way. I think it is important to point out that we may have some serious problems in the area of education.

Mr. Speaker, some of the rationale has pointed out why things have not progressed as they should in the area of education. In the report we have received from Members, leaders, parents and politicians, some are more compelling than inspiring, vice versa. Mr. Speaker, some Members have indicated that some improvisions have to be made or conceded in order to deliver basic or special education. I think we have to think and realize what is happening in education. Some of the indications that came out from Members in the area of inadequacy of funds, erosions, Mr.

Speaker, of pay and benefits to staff, overcrowding in the classrooms, language programs not meeting the need in schools, and there are no or hardly any prospects of graduates having to find a job in the end after their graduation.

We have to ask the questions. What is the problem here, Mr. Speaker and what are we willing to do as politicians? Perhaps each of us can give a little to the future of education, whatever volumes it holds, whatever it is perceived to be. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 441-13(5): Sudden Deaths In The Amittuq Constituency

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to update my fellow colleagues about the trends that have been occurring in our community this past week. First, a member of the Pond Inlet community, Nellie Sangoya, passed away in the hospital in Edmonton. Her relatives, husband, children, brothers and sisters, I feel for all of them, but it cannot be helped. The other announcement I have is in my own community of Igloolik, a young man named Joda Ukaliannuk had committed suicide just this morning. This young man was my nephew.

I would like to pass this information on to my fellow MLAs and I ask that we pray and send our condolences to the families involved. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 441-13(5): Sudden Deaths In The Amittuq Constituency

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 442-13(5): Range Lake Low Water Level

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last night there was a meeting held in Yellowknife for residents to discuss the issues surrounding low water levels in one of the lakes within the city. The meeting was organized by the city of Yellowknife's Department of Public Works for residents to discuss the current Range Lake water level. Mr. Speaker, the gate which controls the lake's water level was accidentally left open which resulted in water running out of the lake this spring. This caused a reduction in the lake's water level.

The lake is in the midst of a residential area in my constituency. Residents of the area have many immediate concerns about this situation, ranging from a foul stench around the lake where there is now exposed bed lake, lack of sufficient water levels to cover previously water filled areas, potential harm to water fowl which inhabit this area, and most importantly, a potential health risk due to emissions of arsenic and now exposed sediment. Mr. Speaker, the residents' concerns are all genuine and must be addressed with satisfactory answers found.

Prior to this meeting, I was made aware of some of the concerns on this matter by area residents. I also know that as of yesterday, concerns have been brought to the offices of Minister Ng and Minister Kakfwi as their offices and mine have received letters from area residents outlining their concerns. At the meeting last night, the city of Yellowknife committed to the residents to refill the lake up to acceptable levels and continue to monitor this level. Mr. Speaker, I also had discussions with Mr. Brad Colpitts.

He is manager of Environmental Health for Yellowknife Health and Social Services who has also assured me that there is no immediate risk or hazard to residents of the area. His department is continuing to monitor the situation and is working with the city to bring the matter to a close. From discussions with the director of Public Works and Services within the city of Yellowknife, Mr. Gary Craig, I am also confident and assured that the city of Yellowknife is doing their utmost to replenish the water levels of this lake which, Mr.

Speaker, will also eliminate any perceived potential health risk to residents and return the water levels to the previous state. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 443-13(5): Global Climate Change

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1437

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to briefly speak to the issue raised by the Minister of RWED a couple of days ago in the House when he made a Minister's statement on global climate change. I do not think this particular Minister's statement and issue has received the attention it deserves in the Northwest Territories. This is a situation that has worldwide implications.

I have raised it in the House before, as well, in terms of the need to control our carbon gas emissions and the need for energy planning and energy strategies at a time when costs are rising and greenhouse gases are having a significant detrimental effect on our environment. I think that is fairly obvious when you look at the news reports on the growing hole in the ozone layer over the Arctic which puts all of us at risk and increases the chances of cancer and any number of other negative implications.

Mr. Speaker, because of our cold climate, the NWT is one of the heaviest users of petroleum products on a per capita basis. As a result, we are also one of the biggest emitters of carbon gases which contribute to the whole problem of greenhouse gases and things like the ozone layer. As the Minister indicated, Mr. Speaker, I would just like to quote from his statement, "A recent forecast conducted by my department indicates that in the Northwest Territories alone, if action is not taken, emissions could be 30 percent higher in 15 years' time.

That figure could be even higher with the development of our oil and gas reserves." This has tremendous implications for any planning that we do, the kind of energy strategies we need in our territory, in the east and west, we have an incredible dependence on petroleum products. It is going to be critical for this Legislature and the new Legislature of Nunavut to come to grips with this. In the west, I am going to be pushing very hard for a territory-wide energy strategy that is going to address not only consumption, but what do we do to control these emissions?

There is going to be worldwide pressure on Canada by virtue of the fact that we are a northern country and we use so many petroleum products, especially compared to the rest of the known world. We all have a responsibility, as northerners, to deal with this issue for our own sakes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1437

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 444-13(5): Turning Point Alcohol And Drug Facility

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1437

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Turning Point in Inuvik has gone through many difficult times and changes over the last number of years. Turning Point used to be called Delta House, a drug and alcohol facility which was closed down due to the downsizing within our government. The Turning Point staff and the Inuvik Alcohol Committee Board have worked hard to reorganize and restructure to try and provide a program that would continue to benefit the residents of the community, as well as keep some of the workers employed.

They refocussed and turned toward early release programs with the corrections facilities in the territories. When things looked like they were out of the woods, recently some distressing news came my way that a number of employees had received temporary layoff notices due to the lack of inmates or early release of people coming out of facilities going into their program. I had forwarded this concern on to the Minister of Justice and I would like to thank him for looking into this matter. I would also, later on, like to ask him a number of questions to try and get more information.

I would like to commend the board and the staff of the Turning Point. They have come a long way and I hope that we will see them succeed in providing services for those people who are most in need and to try to reintegrate those coming out of our correctional facilities in the community of Inuvik. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1437

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 445-13(5): Promotion And Usage Of Official Languages

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1437

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to express my concern over the lack of use of all of our official aboriginal languages in public by our leaders. I agree with the Language Commissioner's Report, as we leaders do not use or promote our languages as much as we should. To this end, I can say that I do not use my language as often as I should as a leader. Considering most of my life, I have promoted and used my language as a communicator, as well as to ensure that my family does not lose this valuable piece of our culture.

It is important to know your language, so that we can communicate with elders to learn the old ways and stories, as well as, to know our roots and where we come from. Language, in all forms, is one component that makes up our diverse cultures and by having this government recognize the eight different languages as official languages is an important part of our lives. However, to ensure our languages do not die, we must use and promote them in public whenever we can. I also realize that with this government's cutbacks, we have allowed our language programs to suffer. It is up to us as leaders to ensure our future generations know and use our languages. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1437

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 446-13(5): Reflections On Good Government

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1437

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, I want to talk today about good government. Good government means public service renewal is urgent. No government can realize its objectives without the support of a dynamic and supportive civil service. Yet, as we all know and have observed, our public

service is under great stress. This is not surprising.

Over the past two and a half years our public service has taken a great deal of the brunt of our difficulties, whether it has been the budget cutting exercise, the division issue or the ongoing pay equity issue.

Number two, good government also means financial health, not just a balanced budget. Just because there is a balanced budget does not mask the fact that we have a disturbing economic picture on our hands. Just look at our housing needs, demands for more money for education and the need for jobs.

Finally, good government is about: openness, transparency and accountability. The government has introduced many new programs such as: P3 Initiatives, new contracting processes, down loading of services through community empowerment. As we move further and further away from the traditional ways in which things were done, the questions of democratic accountability, openness and transparency come repeatedly to the fore.

What about responsiveness? The government has not been open about many of the motions and questions we have introduced and asked, some of which are no doubt thorny, but they need to be asked and they need to be answered. For example, on Monday, I made a statement and followed up with questions about money in the budget that are now P3 projects. Mr. Todd told me to read my mail. Mr. Speaker, I read my mail. How can I read my mail when it lands on my desk a half an hour after I come into this House?

Improved accountability, a renewed public service, sensitivity to our motions and questions and concerns go the heart of my comments today and while we need to focus on matters of long-term significance to the health of northern democracy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1438

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 447-13(5): Equitable Division Of Assets And Liabilities

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1438

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, considerable time and effort have been put into discussions surrounding the NWT Power Corporation. Recently, public hearings were held in Iqaluit and Yellowknife. Because of concerns with the process of what to do with the Power Corporation after division, the legislation proposal has been delayed.

Mr. Speaker, maybe we should review some of the history of the Power Corporation. Basically, the Northern Canada Power Commission was set up to provide electricity to northern residents and was a federal Crown corporation. Today, the NTPC is a territorially controlled corporation that delivers an essential service to all residents of the Northwest Territories. Some would have us believe that the Power Corporation's customers in the west are subsidizing Nunavut communities. Yesterday, the Minister responsible said, and I quote from the unedited Hansard: "Western communities are in no way subsidizing any Nunavut communities." That is from the unedited Hansard from yesterday, Mr. Speaker.

The Power Corporation is owned by all territorial residents. It was paid for by all residents. A majority of territorial residents voted for division. We did not vote to treat one area of the territories differently or unfairly. We decided as residents, endorsed by a public vote, to divide, Mr. Speaker, to divide equally. Mr. Speaker, that includes liabilities and, Mr. Speaker, that includes assets like the Power Corporation. Mr. Speaker, it is time to move past east/west rhetoric and do what is right for all residents - east and west. The Power Corporation is an asset shared equally by all residents. That is what has to be remembered after division. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1438

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Return To Oral Question 536-13(5): GNWT Final Settlement Offer

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1438

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Return to an oral question asked by Mr. Erasmus on May 25, 1998, with respect to red-circling under the proposed collective agreement.

The Final Settlement Offer includes the following paragraph describing what happens to employees who are red-circled:

-Employees whose March 31, 1998 salaries are greater than the salaries on the new pay schedules will have their current salary level protected by a conversion salary. This conversion salary will make up the difference between their March 31, 1998 salary and their salary on the new pay plan and will be received in addition to their base salary. As employees progress through the steps on the new grid, this conversion salary will continue to be added to their base salary.

Future increases to the new pay grid will correspondingly reduce the conversion salary, therefore gradually eliminating it.

Red-circling will work as follows:

1. If an employee's rate of pay under the proposed new job evaluation system is less than their current rate of pay at the same step on their pay range (i.e., if an employee is at step 3, and step 3 in the new pay range for the position is lower than the employees' current pay) then the new rate of pay for the employee remains the same as their current pay under the old system, but is calculated as follows:

April 1, 1998 pay = rate in new pay plan + (old rate pay - new rate of pay) For example:

Custodial Worker - Currently at Pay Level 12, Step 4 - Current Salary $36,383

Step 3 old range - Step 3 new range = $36,383 - $34,828 = $1,555.00 (conversion pay)

April 1, 1998 pay = $36,383

In addition, employees who are red-circled will receive a 2% increase in pay in 1998-99 as outlined below:

Employees whose March 31, 1998 annual salaries are greater than the April 1, 1998 annual salaries will be paid an annual amount equivalent to 2% of their March 31, 1998 annual salaries which will not be added to their March 31, 1998 salaries but which will be paid in bi-weekly instalments for the period of April 1, 1998 to March 31, 1999.

April 1, 1998 pay = $34,828 + $1,555. (conversion pay) + 2%

April 1, 1998 pay = $36,383 + $727.66

April 1, 1998 pay = $37,565.66

In addition, this employee will also be eligible for an annual increment in the year. The increment does not reduce the conversion salary.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1439

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ningark .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1439

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a pleasure to recognize in the gallery senior administrative officer, Mr. Elwood Johnston, the most qualified person money can buy with Canadian dollars.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1439

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Barnabas .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1439

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Leah Kadluk, mayor of Grise Fiord, her daughter, Caroline, and grandchildren, Katie and Gamailie Akeeagok. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1439

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Antoine .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1439

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, and good afternoon, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to recognize several Canadian Coast Guard officials who are visiting us here in the Legislative Assembly today. Mr. Speaker, these gentlemen work for the Coast Guard Central and Arctic Region and are here to meet with our officials on the partnership on Marine Initiatives as well as to continue to promote and support safe and effective marine transportation across the north. Mr. Speaker, I would like to introduce Mr. Jim Quinn, he is the Regional Director; Mr. Dennis St. Jacques, Director of Programs; Mr.

Chris Hawksworth, Director of Operations; Mr. Michele Paulin, Director of Technical Support Service; Mr. Ross MacDonald, Director of Arctic Affairs office. As well, Mr. Speaker, Ms. Sue MacDonald, from the Office of Boating Safety should be up there as well. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions.

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Question 555-13(5): Keewatin Airport Transfer Project

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1439

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister responsible for Transportation and is in regard to the transfer of Arctic airports. Mr. Speaker, could the Minister tell the House exactly what are the criteria communities must meet and also what resources they would need in order to successfully take on this responsibility? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that is somewhat of a detailed question of exactly what the criteria and resources are. I do not have that information at my fingertips. I will have to take this question as notice. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 556-13(5): Arctic Co-operative Marketing Strategy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1439

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi . It is in regard to my Member's statement about the Arctic Co-operatives Movement. One of the initiatives that the Co-operatives Movement has undertaken is the whole area of marketing strategy of arts and crafts across the Northwest Territories. I would like to ask the Minister, what efforts or initiatives has his department undertaken to ensure that this is streamlined along with his department on the marketing of arts and crafts in the Northwest Territories to benefit all people and communities in the Northwest Territories?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1439

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Co-operative Movement is a part of the economic framework in the

communities throughout the north. Many of the activities that we undertake lead to production of goods that require marketing strategy. It has been our work through the Development Corporation and through the department to assist in developing overall economic strategy as well as marketing strategy specifically to move along goods that we have produced over the years.

For instance, in some cases, we have produced quality goods only to have them stocked in warehouses in southern Canada because we have made a great plan on production, but no plan and subsequent work to make sure that there was a market and marketing strategy in place to get these out to the public. We have been working the last couple of years through the Development Corporation and through the department with the Co-operatives and the subsidiaries of the NWT Development Corporation to address this deficiency. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1440

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the whole area of marketing, the reason I asked the question is there two institutions in my riding, the Aklavik Fur Shop and also the Fort McPherson Canvass Shop, which make quality products, but I think we have to start linking it to the whole marketing, as the Minister stated, where we seem to be lacking. The reason I asked the question of the Minister is, is there a report or basically, a marketing strategy or plan which is presently being developed in-house through his department in relation to marketing of northern crafts and products through the Arctic Co-operative Institute?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is not a single document which I can provide for the Member that would provide the information he is seeking. I think I can prepare some sort of paper which could summarize in general terms the approach we are taking to this problem. The NWT Development Corporation has been reorganizing for the last two years some of the goods that they have historically produced through subsidiaries have been assessed as to whether or not there is actually a market for the things. A classic case is moccasins made by Dene craft people. We produce literally hundreds and hundreds of moccasins.

They flood the stores for a certain price. The question comes up, is that really what the southern market is interested in or would they be more interested in some sewing to hang on the wall that is the sewing part of the flower designs and have those produced on a smaller scale for wall hangings or place mats. These types of questions have been asked.

We produce tents in Fort McPherson, but we do not have a reliable client who says we will require so many of a certain type of your goods every year. We look for it and we have been looking throughout Europe and the United States for markets and we are trying to identify ones which we can realistically accept, knowing that we can meet the requirements of the people whom we are dealing with. The Co-operative movement would be another agency that you would have to actually inquire as to their strategies in dealing with marketing of the goods that are produced. I can produce a

summary document that would explain the work we have been doing and marketing for the Development Corporation for the last couple of years. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is exactly the point I am trying to get at, is that there has to be more initiatives made by this government to work along with organizations such as the Arctic Co-operative Limited, aboriginal organizations and the Development Corporation to assist us in regard to what they do best, which is basically selling products. I think we are good at making them, but we have to have someone out there to do the selling where there are a lot of stores throughout the Northwest Territories.

We have to start taking advantage of the experience and the skill that these organizations have in regard to the Arctic Co-operatives Limited who has been here for 25 years. It has taken them years and years to develop that skill and quality, so I think it is important. If the Minister can tell me or report back to this House on the number of initiatives that have been taken not only with the Arctic Co-operatives Limited but other institutions and agencies such as aboriginal corporations? Can you do that?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi ?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be pleased to provide a prepared document that would explain what the difficulty is and some of the ways in which we are trying to address the particular problem we face, how we think it can be resolved and how the Co-operative movement is addressing it as well. We would be prepared to look at it and provide detail with the different initiatives and projects and development corporations we have, and subsidiaries across the north. Thank you.

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Question 557-13(5): Telecommunication Services In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1440

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today is for the Minister responsible for telecommunications. Mr. Speaker, on February, 1997, 69 first-world and developing countries agreed to liberalize their basic telecommunication services under the general agreement on trade and

services, negotiated through the World Trade Organization. Most participants in the agreement, including Canada, subscribed to a pro-competitive regulatory principal. How will NorthwesTel's request for this $30 million subsidy be reconciled in view of the general agreement on trade and services signed by Canada and 68 other countries? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Public Utilities . I am not too sure. Could I get some direction from the Premier , please?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Antoine will answer that question. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister responsible for Public Works and Services , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the honourable Member was talking about a World Trade Organization motion, which I am not aware of. It is not a document tabled in the House, so I am not familiar with the document. However, understanding the Member's statement in regard to NorthwesTel requesting additional support to carry on the service of providing telephone services in the north, I just wanted to perhaps, do some background to put it in context so it is understood where they may be coming from.

Mr. Speaker, the CRTC initiated the process in early 1997, on the introduction of long distance competition for NorthwesTel's operating area. The Government of the Northwest Territories is registered as an interested party. In June of that year, CRTC conducted hearings in Yellowknife and the Minister of the day made verbal presentations, stating the views of this government and as well, followed through with a written formal position in October.

The Government of the Northwest Territories indicated support for this long distance telephone competition in the north, as long as every citizen in the Northwest Territories continues to have access to affordable long distance telephone service.

The government also called for a way to subsidize high cost service areas, most likely to come from the long distance revenues from telephone companies themselves. This may be the area where NorthwesTel is finding difficulty in trying to deal with long distance competition and at the same time, provide local services in the smaller communities, as they do both now. As long distance competition comes in, then are they going to be able to continue to be able to provide services at the community and regional levels?

As a result of discussion, there is a process in place now, Mr. Speaker. As a result of the discussions and the decision that was issued by the CRTC in February, local access rates will be increased in 1998 and 1999 in order to allow NorthwesTel to prepare for long distance competitions which will begin July 1, 2000. Before that date, there will be a CRTC process on deciding the actual detailed terms of competition such as what rate the long distance providers must pay Northwestel for access to their system. The increase in local rates is to be balanced by a decrease in long distance rates in 1998/1999.

This change should not cost this government any extra money. However, it is going to cost more for people at a community level to use telephone service. The process that I mentioned was introduced by the CRTC, issued Public Notice, calling for consideration of issues associated with providing telecommunication service to high cost areas. All the telephone companies in Canada are involved. At stake is the potential establishment of a national fund to be used in subsidizing high cost serving areas such as the Northwest Territories and our smaller communities.

The Government of the Northwest Territories is very much involved in these proceedings and submitted a formal position supporting the introduction on competition, provided that a high cost serving area fund is established. This government believes that without such a fund, competition could place a financial burden on Northwestel that could put at risk the local and long distance telephone services now available in our remote communities. I think that, Mr. Speaker, trying to put this issue in context is perhaps where the honourable Member is coming from. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that Mr. Antoine may have had this within his answer some place, but could I find out, please, what this government's position is on the subsidy proposal for Northwestel?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in our presentations to the CRTC hearings last year, the government's position was that we took a formal position, supporting the introduction of competition as well as that a fund be established for providing the high cost serving areas. In a way, that may be a way of subsidizing NorthwesTel's request for this subsidy. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It would appear that there has been a subsidy in some remote and rural areas for the past seven years. It would appear that a subsidy of approximately $2.5 million per year was ample to address that. Does the Minister know why NorthwesTel projects that with the introduction of long distance competition, they are going to require $30 million worth of subsidies? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know why NorthwesTel wants $20 million. I am just going to speculate that if long distance competition comes in and an outside company would probably grab the lucrative long distance market in our major communities that would leave the outlying smaller communities without a way of subsidizing their operation as it currently is. I am just speculating on that. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It does not sound like NorthwesTel is very optimistic about their fortunes when competition arrives. In fact other large monopolistic companies have had to sharpen their operations and have done very well in competitive market places in other jurisdictions. Would the Minister concede or acknowledge that competition may actually lower costs to consumers and actually improve local and regional service as has been proven when monopolies have been challenged by competition in other areas in the past? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, again, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, whenever there is competition, the competitors normally sharpen their pencils and try to become competitive in the area of providing programs and services, in this case telephone services to the residents of the Northwest Territories. Within our small communities, we have high cost operations and without having long distance competition in there as well as the local services, there might be a problem. NorthwesTel is here. It is already established. Depending on what happens, when this competition comes in, they are in a very good position having been here already. Knowing the system, they may be in a position to be competitive. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 558-13(5): Addressing Education Concerns

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Page 1442

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the leader of the Executive Council, the Premier . As I indicated in my Member's statement, earlier, the last two days we have discussed and debated the state of education in the NWT. I think the exercise, Mr. Speaker, was good which reflects the state and importance of education. Some Members speeches were, as I indicated, more compelling rather than aspiring, but the objective, Mr. Speaker, having heard the concern from Members, are the Premier and his Cabinet Ministers planning or in the process of planning to address the serious consideration of education in the NWT? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As all Members know that, soon, we will be in the process of planning two new budgets for two territories. The Members are concerned about education, housing, economic development and many other issues. Members have raised concerns and made some very good comments these past few days. We will take those into consideration, and I hope the Members take those into consideration when they review those budgets as well. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have heard about the current state of education whereby teaching staff are resigning left, right and centre and whereby improvision, Mr. Speaker, has to be made because the resources are not there to deliver basic special education. Is the Minister willing to look at the current state and do something about it?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin . Two questions.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member is aware, we spend approximately $300 million on education now, as a government. The Minister of Finance is in charge of staff housing in the Northwest Territories. They are selling off that housing. They said if it is needed, we would look at those cases, community by community, and we are willing to do that. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 559-13(5): Potential Increase In Market Rents

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1442

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, I had asked the Minister for the FMBS about a concern in Iqaluit of the potential major increase in market rents leased by the GNWT after division. Mr. Speaker, the Minister told me that he would have an answer for me today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The questions were asked yesterday. Today is a new day. Mr. Picco , do you wish to ask your question to the proper Minister?

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a new day. Mr. Speaker, yesterday, I had asked the Minister of FMBS, Mr. Todd , a concern I had with the potential major increase of market rates leased by the GNWT in Iqaluit and what the government is going to do about these leases after December 31, 1998. I wonder if the Minister could update us today on that situation?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

I believe that we are prepared to commit to extending the program we currently have until March 31, 1999.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just for clarification purposes, the Minister is saying that in writing or somehow he is going to be informing the people who are maintaining those units and also the people who are leasing it to them that, indeed, the current program will be in place up until and including December 31, 1999; is that correct? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

My honourable colleague is so eloquent. Yes, he is correct.

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Question 560-13(5): Possible Closure Of Turning Point Centre

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as in my Member's statement, the issue of Turning Point has come up in the community I represent, Inuvik, once again with concerns of possible closure and layoff of staff. I would like to thank the Minister for responding to my earlier concerns. I would like to know at this point from the Minister if the department is willing to work with the board of Turning Point to try to come to reasonable agreement on how clients would be assessed and referred to the facility? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Justice , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do acknowledge the fact the MLA has been working closely with us in trying to deal with this issue. I want to assure the Member that I, as a Minister in the government, am very interested in keeping the facility open. We are working closely with the management staff of Turning Point, in particular with the executive director. We are in the process of sending our Director of Corrections, Mr. John Dillon, up to Inuvik next week to discuss what options they may have. The main issue here is the shortage of clients that fit the criteria in the correctional system.

We are trying to work on the problem on two fronts. One is to ensure that as many potential clients know of the program as possible and also to try to look at the criteria itself and see if there are changes we can make to it to open it up to more offenders. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for that response. As he mentioned, the director of corrections will be travelling to Inuvik next week. When can we expect to see some results? Would it be shortly afterward that we might be able to come to some formal agreement on the necessary changes, as you mentioned, to the programs? As the board had stated, they are willing to look at the necessary changes that they would have to make to make sure they fit the criteria that are put before them. Thank you.

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Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

I am informed there are three clients who are transferring to the facility this week that will assist in the revenues of the operation in a limited way. The way the facility is funded from the Department of Justice is that we pay a per diem of $80 per day per client. The more clients that we can transfer to the facility, the more feasible it is. The facility does run an important program.

The problem up to now has been that of the 50 or so offenders in the correctional system who are from the region and the surrounding area, of that limited number, who fits into the criteria of being low risk, or being interested in taking the program and have good potential of benefiting from the program. I would hope that shortly after Mr. Dillion's visit to Inuvik that we will be able to come up with some additional ways of helping the organization. We are doing what we can.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Minister stated, there are quite a high number of inmates within the southern facility who come from the Inuvik region. I would like to know from the Minister, is there any way possible of notifying all the inmates from the region that Turning Point is operating and have some programs available to them? Is there a way of

getting that information out? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am informed that since the executive director of Turning Point has been working closely with the Corrections Division that there has been some actions taken, including leaving information pamphlets in all the facilities to ensure that all potential clients are made aware of the program such as during their incoming interviews and also that our counsellors are well aware of the program and in a position to let offenders know that they have this option.

There has already been some work done there. What we are doing is to see what more we can do. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Before going on to Mr. Miltenberger , I would like to recognize a former member from Central Arctic, Kane Tologanak.

--Applause

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Question 561-13(5): Strategy To Address Global Climate Change

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . It is in relation to some of the critical issues that he touched on in his statement a number of days ago in regard to global climate changes and the fact that we are such heavy users of petroleum products and as a result, we are contributing heavily to emissions. There is a hole in the ozone layer and over the Arctic that has an impact on us and the provision of energy in the north is one of our single biggest costs.

Could the Minister indicate how the proposed strategy he references in his global climate change's statement is going to address these situations and not just speak strictly to emission standards? Thank you.

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The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Canada went to Kyoto and made some commitments that now, the federal Ministers in partnership with the provincial governments, the provincial Ministers, have to strategize on how to meet those targets. The targets that were set in Kyoto are felt to have economic consequences, cost implications that have not yet been clarified and addressed. There is agreement with the different governments to work on costing out the implications for each jurisdiction in Canada on meeting the targets that were set in Kyoto. We have agreed on a process for working on that.

There will be a number of different ways of meeting the emission targets. I am not certain if I can provide detail on it, but I know that there have been a number of initiatives here in the north, like the creation of the Arctic Energy Alliance. We have seen specific initiatives internationally such as money being spent in Mexico City, a city of 20 million people that is heavily polluted changing their aging diesel burning bus, public transit systems to propane.

The same is being done in cities such as Athens and other cities across the world that are currently suffering from severe pollution and staggering greenhouse gas emissions. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question is in relation to more specifics and the fact that emissions are only one key component for the need of a broader energy strategy as we have talked about before in this House, and the Minister has responded to the questions on. Would the Minister indicate the timeframe for this strategic framework he is talking about in dealing with emission standards and how that would tie in, hopefully, with the broader energy strategy for the Western Territory and maybe a framework for the eastern territory as well? Thank you.

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Minister Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the target that Canada set and agreed to in Kyoto is a 6 percent reduction from the 1990 levels by the year 2013. In the Northwest Territories, we cannot realistically talk about any significant reduction to greenhouse gas emissions. For instance, by the time BHP mine goes into full production, our greenhouse gas emissions will jump by a quarter to half of the current levels because we have so few large industrial production sites. We do not have 1000 factories in the Northwest Territories, as you would find in certain parts of Ontario.

For Ontario, the scale at which they can look at greenhouse gas emissions is very different from us. Having said that, we are looking at ways by looking at, for instance, energy conservation measures where this government can actually save money by asking people to come forward with projects that they have identified, projects which could help reduce the cost of operations for government services. It would save money for the government, and it could reduce the greenhouse gas emissions by reducing the volume of diesel, for instance, that is required under the current operations.

The Environment Ministers across Canada will continue to meet. There will be a meeting, hopefully, in the Northwest Territories this fall, as I am the Chair for the Canadian Council of Environment Ministers. There will continue to be discussions in ways in which we can work together and how to reach those targets, and looking at economic measures that we can take on as well. Thank you.

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Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to suggest to the Minister that it may be somewhat premature to say before there is a strategy in place that we cannot lower our emissions before we look at alternative energy options. The conservation measures that the Minister, himself, just referenced, community energy planning and a whole host of other areas. I believe the Northwest Territories could play a cutting edge role in terms of those kinds of activities. Could the Minister indicate what the timeframe is for the completion of the strategic framework that he has made reference to?

He wants to start the process, but I am interested in knowing what the time lines are in terms of completion once consultation has been done with the communities and all the other groups he mentioned in his statement. Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Ministers have agreed to a process to address the need to develop a National Implementation Strategy on climate change as of the target date. As to when we are going to finish that, I cannot tell the Member at this time. I do know that we are also looking at establishing some way of giving credit for early action by companies in the private sector on most reduced greenhouse gas emissions. We are looking at ways to strengthen and support voluntary action. We want, as well, to engage in a national public education program on climate change.

Most school children today are aware of the looming problem we have on global climate change. They are, I think, in need of a national program that would help focus and streamline the discussion and help focus on public attention on this very significant issue. I should tell the Member that the Northwest Territories emissions are only about one half of one percent of the national total. Our emissions are expected to continue to increase much faster than the national average.

A forecast prepared by our department indicates that emissions could be 30 percent higher than of the 1990 levels by 2003 if more oil and gas developments proceed. We know that reducing emissions to 6 percent below 1990 rates will have significant impact on the north's economic growth. For instance, if we said that there should be no significant increase in the greenhouse gas emission levels in the north as of today, we will not be able to allow any mines to go into production at this time. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The quote the Minister just read out is, indeed, a good one as I have, in fact, made use of it today as well. It speaks to the issue that while we are small in number on a per capita basis, people of the north are by far the largest emitters of carbon gases and greenhouse gases. The issues the Minister raises about how we do this to ensure we have still economic development and we do not damage our economy are critical and speak to the need for a broader energy strategy.

The Minister, a couple of months ago, committed to, in fact, perusing that objective of a Made in the North Energy Strategy which is going to be critical for us as we move into the 21st century. Can the Minister, I suppose, recommit or indicate that he is still going to pursue that very critical objective, one component of which would be emission of greenhouse gases? Thank you.

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Stephen Kakfwi

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Mr. Speaker. I can make that commitment again. Thank you.

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Thank you. Ther