Debates of June 22nd, 1995

This is page numbers 1525 - 1578 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was language .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Gun Control Lobby

1994 Annual Report - Workers' Compensation Board

Bowhead Whales

Development Of The Cooperative Movement

Manufacturing Of Northern Products

25th Anniversary Of Buffalo Airways

Evolution Of Government System

Appreciation Of Constituents, Colleagues And Staff

Environmental Concerns

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Review Of Non-insured Health Benefits

High Cost Of Infant Formulas In Eastern Arctic

Maca Minister's Commitment To Visit North Slave Constituency

Employee Layoffs From Legal Interpreting Program

Infrastructure And Communication Concerns In Sanikiluaq

Medical Travel Costs For Seniors

Delay In Response From Labour Standards Division

Update On Bird Dog Officer's Safety Concerns

Translation Of Education Act Into Dene Languages

Status Of Dc-4s Used In Fighting Forest Fires

Sale Of Staff Housing To GNWT Employees

Criteria For Acquiring NWT Birth Certificate

Duties Of Legal Interpreting Program

Improvements To Banking Services In Nwt

Funding For Medical Interpreting Services

Return To Written Question 33-12(7): Resolutions Of The Nunavut Leaders' Summit On Education And Training

Return To Written Question 34-12(7): Person Years To Combat Forest Fires

Item 9: Replies To Opening Address

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Committee Report 11-12(7): Report On The Review Of Bill 25 - The Education ActBill 25: Education Act

To Add A New Clause 4.1 To Bill 25, Withdrawn

To Amend Clause 4 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 10 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 21 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 61 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 71 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 77 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 73 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 79 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 118 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 118 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 126 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 136 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 151 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 151 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 151 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 151 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 151 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 151 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 117 Of Bill 25

To Amend Clause 117 Of Bill 25

To Amend

Preamble Of Bill 25

To Amend

Preamble To Bill 25

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Appreciation To Family And Constituents

Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills

Bill 25: Education Act

Bill 34: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96

Assent To Bills

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mrs. Thompson , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Good morning. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 107-12(7): Gun Control Lobby

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I have an emergency statement. Mr. Speaker, Bill C-68,

An Act Respecting Firearms and Other Weapons, is currently being debated in the Senate during second reading. The bill will soon be sent to the Senate Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs for further review and public hearings. On behalf of the Legislature, the Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson , and I travelled to Ottawa on Monday to meet with aboriginal leaders Ovide Mercredi, Rosemary Kuptana, Jim Sinclair and Gerald Morin. We also met with a number of Senators representing both the Conservatives and the Liberals.

With respect to the Senate, we targeted Members of the standing committee and the Senate House Leader. In addition to pressing for public hearings, we asked the committee Members to consider visiting the Northwest Territories this summer and fall. We encouraged them to see first hand how northern people use guns -- not as weapons, but as tools -- and discover for themselves how impossible it will be to administer the licensing and registration provisions of this bill.

Mr. Speaker, we impressed upon each Senator how important it is for our lawmakers in this country to meet the very people this new law would affect, should it pass. We told them of Helmut Kohl's visit and the surprising, yet welcome, change of mind this leader has had regarding the fur issue. We said that if Chancellor Kohl could take the time to visit, then surely the Members of the Senate committee could do no less.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, during the meeting with national aboriginal leaders, we encouraged them to develop a united position on Bill C-68. To that end, they have agreed and accepted our invitation to meet in Yellowknife during the week of July 10th and plan to make Bill C-68 and the fur issue the main focus.

---Applause

As you know, we have done our best to make the lawmakers in Ottawa understand our point of view. In return, they offered up amendments that are, at best, window dressing. The promised consultation has been frustrating and grossly inadequate. Mr. Speaker, laws must make sense to the people they affect and to the people who must explain, enforce and defend them. In the case of Bill C-68, it is difficult to explain, impossible to defend and it will be incredibly expensive to administer and enforce. In addition, its effectiveness is questionable, at best.

Because of this, opposition to this hastily-drafted and poorly-researched legislation is building. Western provinces are concerned about jurisdiction issues and, like both territories, they are concerned about the costs of administration and enforcement. As well, the new government of Ontario has registered it's concerns and some of the Atlantic Premiers are questioning the costs. With additional opposition from a united aboriginal community, it will be difficult for the federal government to remain indifferent to the criticism.

Mr. Speaker, no firm dates have been set for public hearings planned by the Senate committee. The consensus is that they will likely be held in the last part of September, with an October reporting date. We will know in the coming days, as the bill passes second reading and the Senate Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs releases its timetable.

In conclusion, I want to assure Members that the Caucus Subcommittee on Gun Control remains committed and dedicated to seeking an exemption for the Northwest Territories from the offending provisions of Bill C-68. Unless and until the many practical difficulties can be addressed to our satisfaction, we simply cannot see how this bill can be supported. We will appear again before the public hearings to state our case on behalf of the Legislative Assembly and people of the Northwest Territories. Despite the fall election, we will make this lobby an important priority. Our last hope lies with the Senate.

Hopefully, it will rise to the occasion and offer that sober second thought that Canada so desperately needs. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 107-12(7): Gun Control Lobby

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Mr. Pudluk , your point of order.

Point Of Privilege

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Minister's Statement 107-12(7): Gun Control Lobby

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Point of privilege, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wonder if this very important document will be translated, especially into the Inuktitut language?

Speaker's Ruling

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Minister's Statement 107-12(7): Gun Control Lobby

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The reason, Mr. Pudluk , why the statement wasn't translated is so that Mr. Kakfwi could make an emergency statement. The translation is now available. Mr. Pudluk .

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Minister's Statement 107-12(7): Gun Control Lobby

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Mr. Speaker, my apologies. As I made my point of privilege, the translation did come in. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 107-12(7): Gun Control Lobby

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you.

---Applause

Thank you, Mr. Pudluk . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 108-12(7): 1994 Annual Report - Workers' Compensation Board

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to present the annual report of the WCB for the period ending December 31, 1994, in accordance with

section 100 of the Financial Management Act.

The financial and statutory responsibilities of the WCB are threefold:

1. It must guarantee that compensation and the pensions awarded to injured workers of their dependants are paid in accordance with entitlement.

2. It must assess employers sufficiently and fairly to meet these obligations.

3. It should maintain stability and achieve a balance, providing benefits to injured workers, while keeping assessment costs to employers as low as possible.

These responsibilities are met by establishing and maintaining adequate reserves.

I am pleased to report, Mr. Speaker, that the financial position of the Workers' Compensation Board improved in 1994. This has allowed the board to restore its reserves to desirable levels.

The future liability reserve ensures that the board is able to pay the total entitlement of its claims. This capability is often referred to as "fully funded."

I am pleased to confirm that again in 1994, the NWT WCB is fully funded. I should add that this is an enviable position to be in compared to the fiscal situation of other boards across Canada.

Mr. Speaker, there are several reasons for the board's positive results:

1. Increased hiring by employers operating in the north resulted in assessment revenue exceeding projections.

2. Thanks to a lower than anticipated consumer price index, supplementary pension increases in 1994 were less than expected.

3. In cooperation with employers, more emphasis was put in training on the job, graduated return to work and alternative job placements.

4. Third-party actions concluded by the board in 1994 recovered additional monies.

Although much of this report focuses on fiscal responsibility, I must emphasize that financial stability is not the only measure of success at the NWT Workers' Compensation Board.

In 1994, the WCB undertook a number of significant initiatives to improve the level of services provided to its clients:

- Implementation of an early intervention claims management model, which will ensure early assessment and diagnosis for injured workers and a quicker return to the workplace;

- A memorandum of understanding with the Department of Renewable Resources to ensure that harvesters injured in the course of their traditional employment receive fair compensation;

- A more "common-sense" approach to rehabilitation services, resulting in greater emphasis on-the-job training, graduated return to work and alternative work programs;

- A Special Needs Committee created to address the special requirements of injured workers and pensions with significant disabilities;

- A comprehensive review and restructuring of the industrial classification system resulted in fewer subclasses and a more equitable system;

- A new multi-industry classification, which allows employers engaged in more than one industry to reduce assessment costs by applying for separate classification;

- The safety incentive rate reduction program which, when it takes effect in 1996, will impose penalties on unsafe businesses within each subclass; and,

- The development of new programs and increased training by the WCB's safety education unit.

Mr. Speaker, the 1994 Annual Report that I will table today confirms that the Workers' Compensation Board continues to operate in an effective and responsible manner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 108-12(7): 1994 Annual Report - Workers' Compensation Board

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Thompson .

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Bowhead Whales

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I rise in this House to voice the thoughts and views of my Inuit elders on the bowhead whale. Muktuk from the bowhead whale is a delicacy to the Inuit people, especially our elders who have sampled its flavour in times long past, and, Mr. Speaker, as has been well reported, in more recent times.

I struggle to express the concept of the delicacy of this fine food to people of other ethnic origins. Mr. Speaker, perhaps haggis, truffles or roast pheasant may bring to mind a comparative exotic flavour of a food my people hold in such high regard.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, between 1820 and 1830, approximately 750 whaling ships journeyed to our Arctic waters and harvested over 8,000 bowhead whales. The Baffin Island bowhead whales were hunted by Dutch whalers in the 18th century. Based on available records for 1719 and 1911, the records say that a minimum of 28,000 bowhead whales were taken from the Baffin Bay stock. This overharvesting not only lead to the shortage of this vital food supply, but also prevented generations of Inuit people from knowing the delicious flavour of bowhead muktuk.

Mr. Speaker, on many occasions, Inuit elders have tried to convey to the younger generation the excitement, the joy and the satisfaction of a successful traditional bowhead hunt and the sharing of muktuk with the entire community. Sadly, Mr. Speaker, this experience can now only be shared legally through the storytelling of our elders and the imagination of the listener.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent from my colleagues to continue.

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Bowhead Whales

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Aivilik is seeking unanimous to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mrs. Thompson , could you conclude your statement?

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Bowhead Whales

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

I have witnessed, Mr. Speaker, over the years, my father, now in his 70s, relay to visitors and students on many occasions the story of a bowhead whale hunt, complete with actions and an ethnic whaler's bowhead harpoon.

As nature takes its course in the Arctic, Mr. Speaker, many Inuit have witnessed the ageless relationship between predator and prey; of killer whales and polar bears feasting on bowhead whales. The retelling of these experiences have left our elders longing with envy, and wishing to reclaim their place in the natural order of life in which they too are hunters.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, I wish to thank the fine people of Igloolik for sharing the recent bowhead muktuk with most of the elders in Nunavut. Mr. Speaker, this was a profoundly emotional moment in which many elders, fortunate enough to again taste the finest of traditional foods, remembered their parents and their relatives who had passed on before them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for allowing the voice of the Inuit elders to speak through me today in this House.

---Applause

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Bowhead Whales

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Development Of The Cooperative Movement

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Throughout the Northwest Territories, one of the major economic developments over the last 30 years has been the development of the cooperative movement. Much of the credit goes to the federal government who saw that this made sense in the kind of jurisdiction that we have.

When I was a young boy, Mr. Speaker, everybody shopped at the co-op in our village. It was locally owned, all the employees were local, all the dividends went to local people, all the staff and management and everything was local, and people had a great attachment to it.

It's been a terrible battle for the co-op to get itself established in the Northwest Territories despite the sense that it made, simply because there was another huge corporation that had been here for 350 years: the Hudson Bay Company, who fought like fury to stop it from getting a foothold. Many of the people who worked for that company remember the battles they had with local co-op people who were trying to provide competition with this monolithic force, which was at that time based in London and Europe.

Mr. Speaker, now that the Hudson Bay Company really doesn't operate in the Northwest Territories, we should not have opposition any more to this kind of development. I believe that our government should recognize what it has done, it's achievements and importance to northern people and we should find in our hearts enough sympathy and understanding to provide the kind of support that this operation needs if it is going to survive into the future.

I shall be asking the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism some questions about this later. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Ms. Mike .

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Manufacturing Of Northern Products

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Two weeks ago, I asked a question in this House about the origin of the sealskin products passed out by the Minister of Renewable Resources during his department's O and M budget presentation last March. In his opening comments on the Renewable Resources budget on March 3, 1995, the Minister stated, and I quote from page 1064 of the unedited Hansard:

"In the eastern Arctic, we have been working hard to promote the sealing and fishing industry. This past year, in cooperation with Economic Development and Tourism, we researched consumer interest in seal and sealskin products. In 1995-96, we are working with the Broughton Island tannery and residents on the pilot project to produce and market these examples of high quality products. Mr. Chairman, if I may, I would like to pass out some samples of products that are being produced. Mr. Chairman, we are providing seal pelts to the tannery through the fur pricing program." This all sounds very promising, Mr.

Speaker, but I am concerned that it does not seem to be consistent with what the Minister was telling me in response to my question of two weeks ago. He indicated he was aware that the sealskin products were merely prototypes made by a southern company as a demonstration of the kinds of products that could be made in the NWT. However, the prototypes have Minnguq Sewing Group labels on them, despite the fact that Minnguq was not aware of their existence.

In addition, Mr. Speaker, despite the fact that the Minister assures us that there is active promotion of sealskin products and even a pilot project involving the Broughton Island tannery, the information I have indicates this is not the case. I have heard that there are plans being made to initiate a production line of products under the Minnguq name but the Broughton Island tannery, which is in dire need of work, is not a part of the picture.

Mr. Speaker, it doesn't make any sense to me that this government spends considerable amounts of money on the fur incentive program and other renewable resource...Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue by Member's statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin Central is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and my colleagues. As I was saying, Mr. Speaker, it doesn't make any sense to me that this government spends considerable amounts of money on the fur incentive program and other renewable resource and economic development programs and, yet, when an opportunity comes along, our northern processors are left out in the cold. More must be done, Mr.

Speaker, to ensure that this government and agents of this government continue to pursue economic development initiatives within the Northwest Territories, we should continue to market our products nationally and internationally, but they must be made in the north by northerners and all the benefits must flow to northerners. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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25th Anniversary Of Buffalo Airways

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, good morning; and good morning, colleagues. Colleagues, I rise today to extend congratulations to a truly northern aviation company celebrating 25 years of service to northerners and to maybe set the record straight about a company that people across the north have come to rely on for hauling everything from foodstuffs, personal mail, mining companies, trappers, fishermen and little league baseball players, who either fly free or at a minimum cost. That company is Buffalo Airways.

---Applause

Congratulations to a company that draws positive international recognition for it's operating standards, standards proven to be so exceptional that leading insurance companies offer prime rates, providing an opportunity for this government to save millions of dollars over the next five years.

---Applause

Congratulations for a level of expertise demonstrated by a professional staff hand-picked by the company's president Mr. McBryan. Congratulations for building a reputation that's unbeatable for the quality of service and the degree of respect offered each and every customer. Congratulations to a company that northerners recognize for the Buffalo green that stands out so well against our snow-covered runways.

Here's a genuine northern company with a history that started at a small mining camp north of Yellowknife in 1946, a history that began in the imagination of a five-year-old boy playing on the shores of Gordon Lake, where he lived with his parents. At a time, Mr. Speaker, when toys were in short supply, young McBryan's toys were a couple of wooden airplanes that his father meticulously carved from the trunk of a jack pine tree, a territorial tree.

This, Mr. Speaker -- what I'm holding in my hand -- is the flagship of the Buffalo fleet as it's known today. This is a little airplane, the first airplane of the fleet, which would eventually become the larger Buffalo airplanes of today. In 1970, a young bush pilot showed up in Fort Smith with an Aztec, the first instrumental flight-rated airplane for hire in that community.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue.

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25th Anniversary Of Buffalo Airways

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Whitford .

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25th Anniversary Of Buffalo Airways

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. In 1970, a young bush pilot showed up in Fort Smith with an Aztec, the first instrumental flight-rated airplane for hire in that community. Over the years, Mr. McBryan became a sincere friend and supporter of the trappers around Fort Smith. Indeed, in many cases, he was their lifeline back to civilization after months in the bush. Whether or not the trappers had the money to pay for the service, McBryan hauled them out to their trap lines, gear and all, including their dogteams, and then picked them up at the end of the season without fail.

That same Aztec doubled as a Bird Dog aircraft during the fire season and maintained a base in Fort Smith for medevac service for the rest of the year. It did not go south, Mr. Speaker. During that 10-year period, Buffalo Joe, as he became known, was called on to fly so many medevacs that in one instance, he had a mother from Fort Resolution give birth to her 11th child in the back of the Aztec, and she named the boy after the pilot -- Joe.

The little company was eventually sold to a young bush pilot that he had trained, the late Billy Burke of Fort Smith, who bought the float plane operation and renamed it Loon Air. During those years in Fort Smith, Mr. McBryan entered into a partnership with a couple of southern boys who eventually migrated back home and sold their partnership shares to McBryan who became the sole owner and operator of Buffalo Airways, as we know it today. The company continued to grow from a couple of float planes to a DC-3 service, combined with a small fleet of helicopters. Buffalo today now owns the largest operating fleet of DC-3s in Canada, if not in all North

America. And this is a model of one of their airplanes, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

My colleague brought a cod head here one time, so I thought a model airplane wouldn't be so bad.

---Laughter

Long-time northerners will easily recall that Buffalo Airways has already provided 15 years of solid service to the forest firefighting industry at its base at Fort Smith and at Fort Simpson. Furthermore, Buffalo Airways has always been a leader in the support, hiring and training of young northerners wanting to enter the aviation industry. Pilots have come up through the training ranks and are held in such high regard in the industry.

Today young pilots, bubbling with more ambition than DC-3s and DC-4s can contain, have gone on to fly in the big leagues with the international airlines on jet planes. Mr. Speaker, I take great pride in being a Member of a government that is willing to demonstrate support for northern entrepreneurs. I am proud to be part of a government that is confident enough to take the necessary steps to ensure that millions of northern dollars will stay in the north. Indeed, a reputable northern company built, according to the dreams of a little northern boy, who used to play on the shores of Gordon Lake with wooden airplanes, who now owns real ones.

I rise today to point out the positive aspects of a genuine northern company that is caught up in the cross fire of a political battle that is taking place in this House and is detracting from the true meaning of northern entrepreneurship. I ask this House to joint me in extending congratulations to Buffalo Airways, a genuine northern company celebrating 25 years of quality aviation services. Thank you.

---Applause

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25th Anniversary Of Buffalo Airways

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ballantyne .

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Evolution Of Government System

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1529

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For the last day, I thought I would talk a bit about the need for increased cooperation amongst the elected leaders of the Northwest Territories. I think the misunderstanding we recently had between the aboriginal leaders and our Legislative Assembly brings home a plight, at least to me, that we probably have to rethink how we approach some of these things.

Any misunderstanding that has happened is definitely not the fault of any individual Minister or of this government. I think our government can be quite proud of the fact that we have better relationships with aboriginal organizations than any government in the country.

However, times are changing quickly. The reality is that the regional land claims have given constitutional status to many of the aboriginal organizations. The division legislation has given legislative status to organizations such as NIC and self-government discussions have raised expectations and, at some point, many aboriginal organizations will be lost in the Constitution of Canada. That is a reality.

Another reality is that public government in the Northwest Territories has a legislative base. It has a very strong elected mandate and it is supported by a large number of people in the Northwest Territories and it isn't going away.

The third reality is we have a strong history in the Northwest Territories of community governments, mayors and chiefs, and our communities are well respected and are taking on new responsibilities. So unless we come up with some new structures in our government, we are inevitably going to head towards clashes. I think we will see that more and more unless we look at changing the way we do business here in the Legislative Assembly. The present system is too rigid to deal with these new realities.

There is no doubt in my mind that there is going to be a lot of frustration in self-government negotiations, a lot of misunderstandings, as well as frustration in the division negotiations. Unless we find mechanisms where people can work out these problems, we are going to end up fighting amongst ourselves. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1529

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think now, when Mr. Pollard and the government are putting together the transition document, is the time to think about some of these things. If we don't do them, the results could be quite disastrous.

Next time, we should look at institutionalizing regular meetings of Cabinet with aboriginal/municipal leaders. There have to be regular opportunities for aboriginal/municipal leaders to meet with the Legislative Assembly and with committees of the Legislative Assembly. The next government should follow the recommendations of the Standing Committee on Finance, to have a separate intergovernmental affairs secretariat and aboriginal affairs secretariat, and we should look at setting up some bureaucratic structure that includes bureaucrats from aboriginal organizations that meet on a regular basis.

Unless there is a free flow of information some formalized mechanisms to work out problems and strategize, inevitably we will be turning on ourselves. I think the future of the Northwest Territories will depend on increased cooperation and problem solving amongst all the elected leaders of the Northwest Territories. It is my own feeling that we are not going to have the luxury to be able to fight amongst ourselves. There is too much at stake. At the end of the day, either we hang together or we are going to be hung separately one by one. Thank you very much.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ballantyne . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Appreciation Of Constituents, Colleagues And Staff

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1530

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker, or as my eastern colleagues would say, qujannamiik, uqaqtii.

---Applause

Mr. Speaker, you see, I have learned something in this House in the last four years.

---Laughter

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, I will be speaking in my language. It seems that today will be the last day we will be meeting. So if all goes well, we should be finished our meeting today. We are representing the people who have elected us into office. Our term is just about over. I hope we have worked well for people who have elected us. I would like to thank you for being the Speaker. In your term of being an elected official with the territorial government, you have learned the system of the territorial government, so I feel you have done the job well.

Four years ago, when we asked the Minister...I hope I work well with the people who are elected as Ministers. At the time, she said yes. Today I would like to thank the Premier . In the four years that I have been an MLA, I hope I have worked well for my constituency. I would also like to thank the Ministers who I have worked with. I would like to say thank you to her for working well with the Minister. When I questioned the Ministers and also asked for things, I feel I worked well with them. I would also like to thank the Ministers from the past. There are many things that we still have to work for in the future, whoever is in government after us.

Mr. Speaker, my time has run out, so if it is okay with everyone, I would like to continue my speech.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Antoine . The MLA for Nahendeh is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Antoine .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It has been four years since we were elected. I have learned quite a bit from my four years as an MLA, how the system operates. I feel I've done okay in the four years that I've been an MLA.

We are representing our constituency and we to have to keep in mind: who are we sitting here for and what are we here for? These things should be thought out and remembered. That is the only way I feel things will turn out well for us in the future.

The Ministers have a hard job too, but they sometimes have to remember that their constituents are the people who have elected them and where they are from. Whether they're white people, Dene or Inuit, they should remember where they are from. They have to inform their constituents well. (Translation ends)

...four years. I have thanked the Government Leader , the Ministers and my colleagues, the Members of the Legislative Assembly, for support in the things that I wanted to do in my constituency over the last four years. I would also like to thank

the Legislative Assembly staff; Mr. David Hamilton and his staff.

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An Hon. Member

Hear! Hear!

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1530

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I still don't know all the rules that well, but Mr. Hamilton and his staff are very able and they always guide me in areas where I have to work through this maze of rules that govern this Legislative Assembly. So for that, I would like to thank Mr. Hamilton.

Mr. Speaker, I have been talking to my constituents and I will be taking another run at this position on October 16th.

---Applause

I have been telling them that in their requests and in their questioning, and I've been saying that I'm going to run again. Because of the work that has to be done ahead of us...There's a lot of work to be done. I would like to thank all the Members in this House for working with me in the last four years. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine , and good luck. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudluk .

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Environmental Concerns

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1530

Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Those of us who are here are all aware that today might be the last day of this session, the last session of the 12th Assembly. I would just like to make a short statement. I know that we have to speak on one particular item when we make Members' statements, but I think I will be making a statement on two items.

First of all, I would like to talk about the environment. We have a great concern about our environment today, and we have to take very good care of our lands in today's world. Early in the 1960s, various companies came to the north for oil and gas exploration projects. At that time, they had to get permission from Indian and Northern Affairs so they could come up north to explore. But today, looking at the northern environment, there are a lot of items that have been left behind by those companies; particularly old, rusty barrels have been lying around all over the northern environment.

Although we would like to take good care of our environment and our lands, it's very difficult to try and clean up our environment.

The companies that have been up here have been the ones that have destroyed the natural beauty of our country. Although they have stated that we should be taking good care of the environment around us...

Mr. Speaker, I would like to receive unanimous consent to continue my statement. Thank you.

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Environmental Concerns

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for High Arctic is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Pudluk .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker and my colleagues. As I stated, we are very concerned about our environment. For instance, Panarctic went up to the High Arctic during the early 1960s. When they first started exploring they were very friendly to the people of the north, but now that they're almost concluding their projects in the High Arctic, they have stated that they would like to bury their equipment. They want to discharge all this old equipment out into the Arctic Ocean. Now they're very uncooperative with the people of my constituency. It seems like they're going against the very rules that DIAND has set out for them.

At the time, the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs and the company made an agreement that they would look after their own garbage and whatever junk they might have, and they would have to do away with the things that they have left behind, but it seems that they are going against the very agreement they had agreed upon years ago. Now they just seem to be doing away with the toxic waste and equipment for the people of the north to deal with. It's not just Panarctic, there are other companies that have just abandoned their waste.

There is a lot of junk lying around in the Arctic, and they won't go back to clean it up. There are all kinds of barrels and heavy equipment that they're leaving behind.

I would like to, for the people who will be running in the future to become Members, encourage them to pursue this issue. Although the Indian and Northern Affairs department is responsible for this, they don't travel to the communities to see just how much junk there may be left behind by the companies.

The federal staff don't even bother to come up here. I know the Department of Fisheries and Oceans has a lot of power to do what they should do to clean up our Arctic waters, but they're not doing anything about this. We don't see any officials coming up north to see just how much damage may have been done to our waters or our lakes. They have no idea how big a problem this is.

I would like to encourage those future MLAs to pursue this. They should work hard to try and work with the federal government so they can clean up our environment, the northern waters and lands as we are very concerned about our environment. I wanted to talk about this issue, particularly.

Secondly, as I stated, I will make two statements on two different items. I would like to thank you all, all the new and veteran Members of the Legislative Assembly. I have worked with you very closely. Although it gets very stressful at times during our meetings, I think we have learned to work well together. I would like to thank the staff members of the Legislative Assembly for having helped us out in the long four years. I wish you the best in the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Environmental Concerns

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1531

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Pudluk . As the dean of the Assembly, when you said you were going to make two statements under Members' statements, I was going to make reference to the rules with regard to a Member only making one statement, but the statement that you made on the environment and pollution was part of the issue too, just as baseball and football are part of sports.

---Laughter

So, I don't think you were out of order in this case.

---Applause

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Further Return To Question 654-12(7): Alberta Company Hired To Assist Dc-4 Fire Crews

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1531

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell regarding Alberta companies contracted to assist DC-4 fire crews. Foulger Aviation Services and Ken Harvey and Associates were hired to work exclusively with the DC-4 crews and related support Bird Dog aircraft. Air Spray 1967 Limited of Alberta provided supplementary training to one of the Bird Dog pilots only. In the training flights, Air Spray deemed the Bird Dog pilot to be a well-prepared and above-average pilot who would qualify as an entry-level Bird Dog pilot with Air Spray. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 654-12(7): Alberta Company Hired To Assist Dc-4 Fire Crews

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Are there further returns? Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Ms Cournoyea, item 4, returns to oral questions.

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Further Return To Question 563-12(7): Aircraft Services Used In Fighting Sahtu Forest Fire

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, my apologies. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on June 9th regarding the aircraft services used in fighting the Sahtu forest fire.

Mr. Speaker, depending on the smoke, wind and other conditions, the following resources were used to suppress the forest fire near Fort Norman and Norman Wells: four CL-215s, one DC-4, up to five helicopters, nine caterpillar tractors, nine fire crews and up to 40 extra firefighters. Mr. Speaker, in our opinion, this was the maximum number of resources we could safely deploy on this fire at one time. At one point, when conditions allowed aircraft to fly, we were circling about 3,000 feet above the fire.

We watched as the five air tankers dropped a load on the fire every three minutes, helicopters moved men and equipment back and forth, and crews and caterpillars worked on the ground. This is a tremendous amount of activity to coordinate under difficult and dangerous conditions and I supported the decision not to bring in more resources.

Since the forest fire risk was extreme in other parts of the territories, we also needed to keep some resources in these areas. Fire crews were not moved out of those areas and one DC-4 remained in Hay River. As well, we issued a request for two CL-215s under the mutual aid resources sharing agreement. Since Quebec's were not available, Newfoundland agreed to provide the air tankers and they arrived in Fort Smith on June 11th. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Question 563-12(7): Aircraft Services Used In Fighting Sahtu Forest Fire

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Further Return To Question 539-12(7): Problems In Contacting Maintenance Enforcement Officers

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, thank you. This is in response to a question by Mrs. Marie-Jewell , asked on June 7th regarding problems with contacting maintenance enforcement officers. There's a very heavy workload handled in that program by only three staff members. The program receives a large volume of phone calls daily, which are being handled by the staff throughout the day. Although handling phone calls as they come in is important, it is also important for the staff to devote a good deal of time to the enforcement of files. It is difficult to work on enforcement while constantly taking phone calls.

The administrator of the program decided to conduct a pilot project to see if efficiency could be increased by directing the phone calls to an answering machine during the day and regularly collecting messages and returning phone calls. However, there have been several complaints from members of the public about the phones being connected to answering machines, so the pilot project has been discontinued. Effective immediately, phones will be answered from 8:30 am to 12:00 noon each workday and will be connected to the answering machine from 1:00 pm to 5:00 pm each workday.

Since the answering machine will still be used for partial days, the toll-free number will be discontinued. A new toll-reversal number will be available for people to call long distance and the charges for these calls will be automatically billed to the program. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question 539-12(7): Problems In Contacting Maintenance Enforcement Officers

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Return To Question 664-12(7): Date Employees Hired To Replace Dismissed Bird Dog Officers

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on June 21, 1995, regarding the date employees were hired to replace dismissed Bird Dog officers.

Mr. Speaker, only one employee has been hired to replace the dismissed air attack officer and assistant manager of air operations. Mr. Ernie Campeau was hired as a casual air attack officer from June 19, 1995 to August 25, 1995. Mr. Campeau recently retired from the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources where he was a regional air coordinator. He has been involved in air attack activities since the 1970s and has also prepared Ontario's air attack manual.

Over the years, he has bird dogged many different tanker types including CL-215s, heavy land-based, Cansos, Avengers and others. Mr. Campeau comes highly recommended by the Ontario government because of his extensive experience. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Question 664-12(7): Date Employees Hired To Replace Dismissed Bird Dog Officers

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Are there further returns? Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Dent .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a couple of people who have given me an awful lot of political guidance over the years, along with guidance in other things, I must admit. My parents are in the gallery this morning: Doctor and Mrs. Dent . They were accompanied by my wife and young son but my wife had to take Tyler out of the gallery before he was thrown out for creating a disturbance.

---Laughter

---Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. I can see now why Mr. Dent looks pretty good in this House.

---Laughter

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would also like to recognize three seniors sitting in the gallery. I don't know if they are from Yellowknife or not, but welcome to the Assembly.

---Applause

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Question 674-12(7): Review Of Non-insured Health Benefits

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1532

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Yesterday, the Minister of Finance advised the House that if Canada unilaterally cuts the non-insured health benefits for aboriginal people, it would affect services in the NWT. He also advised that the Minister of Health and Social Services is corresponding with the federal Minister regarding the current review of the NIHB program.

Since two options the feds are considering would limit benefits to on-reserve Status Indians or on-reserve Indians on welfare, and either would be disastrous for us in the NWT, will the Minister commit to not only corresponding with Diane Marleau but to meet with her in person to discuss the issue?

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Question 674-12(7): Review Of Non-insured Health Benefits

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Cournoyea .

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Question 674-12(7): Review Of Non-insured Health Benefits

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the meeting is being arranged. It is being set as soon as we can find an appropriate time for Ms. Marleau. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 674-12(7): Review Of Non-insured Health Benefits

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Question 674-12(7): Review Of Non-insured Health Benefits

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1533

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Given the importance of this issue and the special relationship of aboriginal people with the federal government, will the Minister commit to keeping aboriginal groups informed and encourage their involvement in the federal review which is taking place right now?

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Samuel Gargan

Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I can answer that in the affirmative. It has been because of the Department of Health and Social Services, from the time the Government of the Northwest Territories has taken over the responsibility of the management of health, that the aboriginal organizations have been informed on a continual basis on what we are doing and what our plans are. They are also informed of any recent information that we receive.

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Question 675-12(7): High Cost Of Infant Formulas In Eastern Arctic

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1533

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A few weeks ago, through a Member's statement, I brought up an issue regarding some formula for infants. For ladies who are single and are bringing up their family or for families that don't have a regular income...Mr. Speaker, I made a Member's statement regarding infant formula and the high cost of having to acquire infant formula. A lot of mothers don't choose to breastfeed. My question is to the Minister of Finance . I apologize for not directing my question to a Minister before hand. However, my question is to the Minister of Finance . Can he give me a response as to what could be done regarding this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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Page 1533

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if there is a problem in this regard, I would suggest that those mothers, if they are unable to provide that formula to the baby, should see Social Services. Mr. Speaker, that probably is not the long-term answer to this particular problem. I think we see, across the Arctic, the price of food is outrageous in some of the communities. We recognize that the high prices are extremely difficult for people who are not on a fixed income or are young single mothers. In the interim, if we could direct those people to see Social Services to get

some assistance, I am sure they will look at a longer term strategy in this regard. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Zoe .

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Question 676-12(7): Maca Minister's Commitment To Visit North Slave Constituency

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1533

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on a number of occasions, the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs indicated that he would be planning a visit to my constituency; the constituency of North Slave. I wonder if the Minister is still committed to going to North Slave? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Can I ask the Minister if he would be able to do this tour as soon as possible? As you are well aware, Mr. Speaker, the writ will be issued at the end of August. Could it be early July? Thank you.

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Page 1533

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have been planning a tour of Mr. Zoe 's constituency and a number of others right after the end of this session. The tentative plan is to undertake that trip next week, possibly. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 677-12(7): Employee Layoffs From Legal Interpreting Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1533

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . On June 13th, the Minister stated that neither of the two people laid off by the Department of Justice from the legal interpreting program were interpreters. It was the Department of Justice that was responsible for these layoffs. Is the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment aware that one of the people laid off was a certified legal interpreter/translator who speaks Dogrib, who has interpreted regularly for the courts in the last few years and that she was the only terminologist

responsible for collecting, documenting, verifying and distributing legal terms for all the Dene languages and in Cree? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. What I want to indicate to the honourable Member is what I said before; the work that was being done primarily by these individuals was a matter of terminology development. We have other terminologists who were in the government and we needed to put together a group who dealt with terminology. I did not indicate that these individuals did not interpret, I said their prime responsibility was terminology development. We had a number of other departments involved and we needed to coordinate our approach to terminology development. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1534

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister also stated, at that time, that the development of legal and medical terminology for Dene languages and in Cree would go back to the language bureau in an effort to consolidate these activities under one department.

The Minister must be aware that the language bureau has received a $294,000 cut in funding under the Canada/NWT language agreement in 1995-96, more than a 50 per cent reduction in their funding under vote 4; and that other departments, boards and agencies of the GNWT, as well as other groups, have expressed concern that they cannot obtain services from the language bureau because the interpreters and translators are usually busy with other assignments.

The Minister must also be aware that the Task Force on Aboriginal Languages in 1985 recommended that specialized medical and legal interpreter/translator training be developed because the language bureau had not been able to devote adequate time to training and terminology development in these specialized areas.

I would like to ask the Minister were the language bureau's Dene interpreter/translators consulted on whether or not they would be able to handle these additional duties which originally rested with them, but which were transferred to the departments of Justice and Health after the task force made its recommendation? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just for the information of the Member again, there are departments in which terminologists are located. There has been no indication on my part or the government's to remove the development of terminology for aboriginal languages. The suggestion being made is that, somehow, the responsibility is going to rest with the existing interpreter/translators. But there has to be a working relationship developed between the terminologists and the interpreter/translators.

If there is no relationship between the people involved in translating in the communities and another group is developing terminology of which they have no knowledge, then what is the purpose of developing new terminology? It is clear that needs to be done, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. I have a question, again, for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . The question is, who will be responsible for the legal and medical terminology development in Cree, since the Language Bureau does not employ any Cree interpreter/translators? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. It's a new question, but nonetheless, I would like to indicate to the honourable Member that if there's a requirement for an individual, we will address that matter when the request is made.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Supplementary, Mr. Speaker, on the same issue of language transfer. I would like to ask the Minister, why wasn't the responsibility for Inuktitut legal and medical terminology development also transferred back to the Language Bureau if the aim was to consolidate these activities? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the honourable Member for the advice. We'll take the suggestion and consider transferring the responsibility. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .

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Question 678-12(7): Infrastructure And Communication Concerns In Sanikiluaq

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1534

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will direct this question to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . In my constituency, the community of Sanikiluaq is getting larger and larger. I know the school board has changed their responsibility for that region, and it's very difficult in terms of transportation and communication. There's also a lake in between the school and the community. At this time, I know it's not possible to make arrangements for the planning

of municipal structures for school services for that community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will look into the concern that the honourable Member is raising.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 679-12(7): Medical Travel Costs For Seniors

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1535

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question I would like to direct to the Minister of Health . Mr. Speaker, I have been approached by some seniors who are quite concerned about a number of initiatives being put forward by the government, at least they have the impression they are new initiatives. In this case, I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Health . I would like to ask whether or not seniors are being required to pay for part or all medical travel to southern facilities, where in the past they were not required to pay?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I have recently received a series of questions from seniors on this matter. There are a number of issues they have raised and want clarification on, but I have not been able to look at all the issues they've identified or to get an analysis of the impact of the changes we are making on seniors. We're presently working on that and I will be in a better situation to answer, once I've made the analysis on the impacts, if there are any. Mr. Speaker, there are some changes that have been made and we will try to address the number of issues the seniors have presented.

Therefore, I'm not in a position to answer in detail whether all the issues are legitimate and to what extent there will be impacts on seniors, but I will make a commitment to deal with it as quickly as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this concern is not only with the Department of Health and Social Services, but there are also concerns from seniors regarding departments such as Transportation and Municipal and Community Affairs where there are a numbers of different programs now being assessed fees. I would like to ask the Minister if she would assure this House that all the government initiatives that deal with seniors will be conveyed to seniors before they are surprised at the ticket booths and government offices they have to deal with. Could she assure that there will be some communication before they end up experiencing these initiatives first hand?

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1535

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I've made a commitment to the seniors and I will make a commitment to this House that we will move on the matter as quickly as possible to ensure that when changes are made, communications get out early. I can make that commitment, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 680-12(7): Delay In Response From Labour Standards Division

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1535

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on June 6th when I asked the Minister of Safety and Public Services about why it was taking so long for a constituent's complaint to be dealt with by the labour services people, the Minister advised that he would look into the problem and get back to us. I was wondering if the Minister has a reply yet to that question.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Safety and Public Services , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1535

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can advise that, in general, labour standards disputes take various lengths of time to resolve. Claims require a certain amount of communication between both the employer and employee, a process which can be more complicated if either or both the employee and employer reside outside of the Northwest Territories. The length of time for investigation and resolution is also determined by their complexity and, therefore, it is difficult to determine whether or not a matter will be resolved in a timely fashion or will take an extended period of time to address and resolve.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 680-12(7): Delay In Response From Labour Standards Division

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1535

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The main problem that I brought up on June 6th was that a complaint had not even been actioned. The first steps have not been taken in the complaint for over six months. In fact, it appeared that there were some complaints that were almost a year old, and the investigation into the complaint had not even started. So the question was not about the length of time it takes to resolve an issue once the information is being sought; the concern that was being expressed, Mr. Speaker, was that it was taking too long to even get started on it. Can the Minister advise us if we have been able to deal with the delay in getting started on investigations?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1536

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we will try to resolve that matter, so we can bring to a conclusion, or at least bring about the investigation into the claims in a much more timely fashion. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Whitford .

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Question 681-12(7): Update On Bird Dog Officer's Safety Concerns

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1536

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Safety and Public Services . It concerns the air attack officers who have booked off sick. I understand there is an investigation under way concerning this dispute. I hope it isn't a dispute, I hope it is simply a misunderstanding. I would like an update on this investigation by his department into these concerns.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Safety and Public Services , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can advise the House that on June 16, 1995, the chief safety officer wrote to Mr. Bob Robertson of the Union of Northern Workers to confirm that the refusal to work by air attack officers on Thursday, June 15, 1995, could not be upheld as constituting a legitimate right to refuse in the face of unusual danger. This ruling is on the air attack officers' refusal to attend the orientation session on June 15, 1995 and is separate from the original right to refuse, which is still the subject of an ongoing investigation.

A large number of witnesses have been interviewed and more witnesses will be interviewed today. I can advise the Member that the chief safety officer is hopeful that he can conclude the investigation by June 30, 1995. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 682-12(7): Translation Of Education Act Into Dene Languages

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I don't know the details of that, so I will have to take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Whitford .

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Question 683-12(7): Status Of Dc-4s Used In Fighting Forest Fires

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1536

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for fire suppression. We have heard a lot of controversy dealing with the DC-4s in forest firefighting. I would like to ask the Minister if these DC-4s are flying. Are they fighting any fires with them?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1536

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Samuel Gargan

Minister responsible for forest fire management, Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1536

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last weekend in the Fort Good Hope area, a DC-4 did action a fire and it worked very well, along with two Bird Dog pilots to bird dog a DC-4 into the fire in Fort Good Hope. It worked out quite well. We have been lucky all week. We have had cool conditions and rain, so we haven't had many fires. The DC-4s are able and willing, along with the pilots, to work and we will call on them when needed. They were used on the Fort Good Hope fire. They hit the head of that fire; hit their target right on.

Then the ground crew came in behind them from Fort Good Hope and put that fire out in very short order. So the procedures we have in place to fight fires are working quite well. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Thompson .

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Question 684-12(7): Sale Of Staff Housing To GNWT Employees

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1536

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be directing this question to the Minister of the Housing Corporation . In smaller communities, the government staff want to buy the government staff houses. Can government staff buy staff houses in small communities up to this day? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of the Housing Corporation , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In every small community or every community that has staff housing, we do an inventory of that housing and work with other departments to see what they need to keep on stock for staff housing.

Those houses that become surplus will be available, but we do every community individually and work with the community as well as the local MLA to assist in selling those units. I will restate that they have to be surplus units. We can't sell off units we need for teachers, et cetera, in that community. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 685-12(7): Criteria For Acquiring NWT Birth Certificate

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1537

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I asked the Minister of Safety and Public Services about what was needed in order to get a birth certificate. He took the question as notice and since it may be our last day, I was wondering if the Minister could respond to that question today.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Safety and Public Services , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1537

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to advise the honourable Member, the criteria that is used for acquiring NWT birth certificates when a person is born in the Northwest Territories and applies for a birth certificate, is they must fill out an application for certificate of birth, which can be obtained by the vital statistics branch.

In Yellowknife, for a fee of $10, vital statistics requires that the applicant provide the following information: their full name; their date of birth; the place of birth; their father's surname; and, their mother's maiden name. After the application is filled out, vital statistics search their records to ensure that information on the application is the same as what they have on file. If any of the information is inaccurate, vital statistics requests that the applicant either provide the correct information or provide another document, such as a baptismal certificate or an immunization card.

Vital statistics does not ask for any personal identification from the applicant to process their application because birth certificates are recognized as being an essential document for citizens of Canada. This practice is consistent with other provincial jurisdictions which accept applications for birth certificates by mail. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1537

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I thank the Minister for that answer. Mr. Speaker, since you can use a birth certificate to get a social insurance number, and since a social insurance number and birth certificate could then be used to obtain a passport, and in spite of the fact that other jurisdictions seem not to require personal identification, has this government considered the need for more security to ensure we're not making it easy for the criminal element to fraudulently obtain passports?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1537

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's certainly not our intention to make it much easier. It was to ensure that there was simplicity in the process. I take note of the concern raised by the honourable Member, and will try to ensure...At least, I will discuss the matter with the department and ensure that we make the process not only simple for the communities, but also ensure that there are some considerations for security when filling out the applications.

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Question 686-12(7): Duties Of Legal Interpreting Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1537

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Justice . It's with regard to the duties of the legal interpreting program. I understand that the training component of legal interpreting has been transferred to the colleges, and the terminology department has been transferred back to the language bureau. Who is responsible for any remaining duties of the legal interpreting pro