Debates of June 3rd, 1997

This is page numbers 1275 - 1303 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was north .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Federal Election

Congratulations To Female Members Of Parliament

Healthy Children Initiative

Pollution Prevention Recognition And Awards Program

Fort Mcpherson Graduation Class

Members' Summer Workload

Transfer Of Federal Positions To The North

Member's Right To Free Speech

North Slave Geographic Location

Nunavut Electoral Boundaries Commission

Congratulations To Members Of Parliament

Long Distance Competition

Special Education Funding Reductions

Legal Training

Congratulations To Members Of Parliament

Workload Facing New Members Of Parliament

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Return To Oral Question 170-13(4): Repatriation Of Northerners From Southern Institutions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Dew Line Site Clean-up

Negotiated Contract Policy

Radar Installation In The North

Policy On Negotiated Contracts

Block Funding For Health Programs

Inventory Of Federal Civil Servants

Responsibility For Recruitment Of Physicians

Staffing The Nunavut Government

Plan For Dealing With The Federal Government

Penalty For Policy Circumvention

Contract Policy Sanctions

Mental Health Funding

Government Procurement Benefits

Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

Return To Written Question No. 16-13(4): Staff Training Participation Levels

Item 10: Petitions

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Extended Adjournment

Relocation Of Federal Civil Servants

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 87-13(4): Federal Election

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories, I would like to extend congratulations to Prime Minister Jean Chretien on his re-election and on the return of a Liberal majority government.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 87-13(4): Federal Election

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, it will be good to see familiar faces as we continue to work with the federal government in negotiating and working together to protect and secure the interests of the north. We also welcome the new faces that will be at the table, including a new Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development and the fresh perspectives they will be able to bring to our discussions.

Closer to home, I would also like to extend congratulations to Western Arctic MP Ethel Blondin-Andrews on her election for a third term as the Member of Parliament and to Nancy Karetak Lindell who was elected yesterday to serve her first term as the Member of Parliament for Nunavut. I look forward to working with both of you in serving the citizens in the north and in tackling the challenges we have as leaders in this historic times in Canada's north. Finally, I would also like to extend congratulations to Louise Hardy, who was elected to serve as the Member of Parliament for the Yukon.

Mr. Speaker, as we work on improving social and economic conditions for the people of the north and as we move toward the creation of two new territories in 1999, a strong working relationship between all levels of government is more important now than it has ever been. The north is a vital part of Canada's political and economic future and as such, we look forward to working with all Members of the newly elected federal government to ensure that future is a strong one for all northerners. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi Cho.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 87-13(4): Federal Election

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Ministers' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 88-13(4): Congratulations To Female Members Of Parliament

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to congratulate three women who were elected to represent Canada's three northern ridings in Parliament. Ethel Blondin-Andrew in the Western Arctic riding, Nancy Karetak Lindell in the Nunavut riding and Louise Hardy in the Yukon riding have proven that you do not need a law to ensure that women are elected to a political office. In fact Mr. Speaker, 25 percent of successful candidates in yesterday's election are women.

These women won because of their skills and determination and because they believe in themselves and their potential. Mr. Speaker, these women are a source of inspiration for other women to take up the political challenge and succeed.

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Minister's Statement 88-13(4): Congratulations To Female Members Of Parliament

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 89-13(4): Healthy Children Initiative

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is widespread recognition that the early childhood years are crucial to the development of healthy children. From conception to age five or six, all children develop the foundation of their physical, social, emotional and intellectual skills and attitudes. Delays in this early development can result from many risk factors during both the prenatal period and early childhood. Potential difficulties in school and later life can be minimized or prevented through

programs and services to support children and their families during these early years.

Today I would like to announce the Healthy Children Initiative in partnership with my colleague, the Honourable Kelvin Ng , Minister of Health and Social Services . The vision of the initiative is healthy children born to healthy parents, growing up in strong and supportive families in caring communities. This year $3.75 million has been allocated this year to help communities support the healthy development of their young children. A formula has been developed to distribute funding to each community. A similar amount will be proposed in the department's 1998/99 business plan.

The Department of Education, Culture and Employment and the Department of Health and Social Services have developed a framework that describes the vision, principles, scope and options for action. The document is designed as a guide for community members, community government, service delivery boards and agencies and government departments in developing and implementing early childhood intervention programs and services. Any project proposed under this initiative must meet its vision and principles.

The framework document and information on how to apply for funding will be sent to communities and stakeholder groups shortly. Further information on how to apply for funding can be obtained from regional offices of the Department of Education, Culture and Employment.

Mr. Speaker, the Healthy Children Initiative represents an investment in our most important resource, the children of the Northwest Territories. I look forward to seeing the range of programs and services that communities develop to meet the needs of young children and their families. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Minister's Statement 89-13(4): Healthy Children Initiative

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 90-13(4): Pollution Prevention Recognition And Awards Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, in August, 1996, I had the privilege of announcing the creation of the Northwest Territories Pollution Prevention Awards Program. These awards recognize northern companies that demonstrate leadership in reducing pollution which originates from their daily operations. At the April annual general meeting of the Northwest Territories Chamber of Commerce, two northern companies, White Bear Chrysler and Canarctic Graphics were recognized for their achievements in this area.

As a part of this week's Environment Week celebrations, the Canadian Council of Ministers of the Environment announced a national recognition and award program on pollution prevention. By doing so, Canada's Environment Ministers have challenged all Canadian organizations, large and small, to develop ways in which innovation and ingenuity can help them reduce pollution and achieve their goals.

Increasingly, Mr. Speaker, pollution prevention is becoming the strategy of choice for environmental protection in Canada. I am pleased that the Northwest Territories is at the forefront of promoting this strategy through our own northern awards and recognition program. Thank you.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 375-13(4): Fort Mcpherson Graduation Class

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to pay particular attention to a very special group of young people from the community of Fort McPherson. Mr. Speaker, the graduating class of 1997 is made up of Tommy Blake, Shaun Vittrekwa, Joanne Francis, Alisa Blake, Roberta Alexie, and Laura Vittrekwa. This group, Mr. Speaker, certainly have had to work harder than your average student in order to graduate in time this year.

Since their school burnt down in the early part of January, 1996, this group of young people had to deal with the stress and uncertainty, not to mention makeshift classrooms and limited resources. For well over a year, these students were being bumped from one temporary facility to another in order to complete their secondary education.

I am very proud, Mr. Speaker, to say that they did it. On June 13, 1997, the six hardy students will be the first ever graduating class in Fort McPherson's new Chief Julius School. I am sure, Mr. Speaker, that all my colleagues here in the Assembly will join me to congratulate this special group of young people and believe that they will continue on to make better and better endeavours. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Member's Statement 375-13(4): Fort Mcpherson Graduation Class

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 376-13(4): Members' Summer Workload

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In keeping with the Liberal sentiment expressed in this House this afternoon, I would just like to touch briefly on the issue of extended adjournment which we are going to be entering into at the end of Thursday, where we intend to recess until October. Mr. Speaker, I have found that every time we go on extended adjournment or recess, there is a perception out there that we are all on holidays. I would like to point out very clearly, there are many parts to the MLA's work and the Session is only one small part.

Mr. Speaker, while we will be in recess, we will all be working in our constituencies on many issues that have been probably long overlooked or that we have to catch up on. We have to worry about programs for our communities and the Northern Employment Strategy, issues like community empowerment, economic development and in my case, I am interested in a South Slave leaders meetings as well as mine training.

There are also western issues that affect us from the west as there are division issues and Nunavut issues that affect those from the east, things like formula negotiations, the constitutional work, the assemblies over the course of the summer not to mention all the local and regional meetings that we will all be attending during the course of the summer.

In addition there is going to be committee work. For those on the Social Programs Committee, we have the Family Law Review. We have to look at the mid-year review departments that are coming up as well as all the work related to division that will be going on during the course of the summer. We have been away from our ridings for a long time. There is a lot of catching up to do. There is a lot of work to do and this summer, hopefully, will be for our constituents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Member's Statement 376-13(4): Members' Summer Workload

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 377-13(4): Transfer Of Federal Positions To The North

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today on a matter of serious concern to all of us; job losses. It is no secret that we have had many job losses because of the downsizing of our government and in the west will face further losses because of division. But today I wish to propose a constructive proposal to this problem that will benefit not just us here in the west and in my constituency but all of the north, Nunavut and in the western Arctic.

There are many federal public servants in various departments in the south and throughout southern Canada who are working on northern programs and who are more appropriately and should be located here in the north. I am speaking of the Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, Natural Resources Canada, Environment Canada, Fisheries and Oceans, and agencies such as the National Energy Board. Federal employees with responsibilities for the north should be located here in the north. The employees will be more sensitive and more aware of our problems when they are here.

The federal government has a responsibility in this and they have a golden opportunity to replenish lost jobs here in the north and to transfer those to where they belong. It will assist our ailing economy.

I was pleased with the Premier 's statement yesterday about him achieving an endorsement and support from the western Premiers to transfer natural resource responsibilities and many federal employees working in those areas. Having jobs in the north is not only good for our economy and tax base, but it will result in a better delivery of programs to us here in the north.

In the west, we are building part of our economy around the mining industry and the resource industry such as oil and gas, but we cannot get the tax royalties for that so I feel the least the federal government can do, is assist us by transferring those jobs here. We will soon have a new Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs and I would urge all of us to pursue this initiative. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 378-13(4): Member's Right To Free Speech

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, working in this Assembly can be a challenge. The rules and procedures can be confining. For example, many of us have trouble staying exactly within the two and a half minute time limit for Members' statements. Seldom does a day go by that someone does not have to ask for unanimous consent to finish their statement.

However, the rules are there for a reason. They help to make sure that everyone has an opportunity to contribute and to question. They provide Members with time to think about issues before agreeing to formal motions and critical legislation. One of the things that makes the rules bearable is the courtesy of other Members. For the most part, we accept the opposing views of each other. Although we may not always agree, we have learned that in a democracy, each of us has the right to express the views of our constituents on any topic.

Mr. Speaker, I know the views I have expressed in this House have been contrary to those of other Members on more than one occasion. I would like to take this opportunity to thank my colleagues for the courtesy they have extended in ensuring that I can fulfil my Member's privilege to free speech. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Henry . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 379-13(4): North Slave Geographic Location

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to congratulate Ethel Blondin-Andrew for her convincing victory in last night's election. It will be a privilege working with her over the next few years. I would also like to congratulate all candidates across our nation that took the time and energy to put their names forward to run for this election.

Last night while I was watching the results beginning to flash across my TV, I had a chance to read Monday's edition of the News/North. To my amazement I found that myself and the rest of my residents of Rae Edzo and Rae Lakes were no longer part of the North Slave region but in fact we had miraculously moved to the South Slave. I guess, if nothing else, the move would definitely increase the South Slave population considerably but I wonder what will happen with our landclaim negotiations and all the other projects and negotiations that we in Rae Edzo are working on.

Mr. Speaker, I realize this of course is an error on someone's part, but whose error is it should be the question. Is it Stats Canada or News/North? In closing, Mr. Speaker, for the record let me assure everyone that Rae Edzo and Rae Lakes have not moved to South Slave, but rather they are well situated in North Slave. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 380-13(4): Nunavut Electoral Boundaries Commission

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I have just recently done a written submission to the Nunavut Boundaries Commission and I submit that there should be 20 representatives in the new Nunavut Legislative Assembly. There are a number of factors which I believe should be considered in setting the boundaries for these new ridings. Number one is voter parity. In various court cases it has been determined that

section 3 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms does not demand strict voter equality. Instead, voter parity is used as the guidelines. In both British Columbia and Saskatchewan the same principle has been used and tested in the courts. They try to ensure that voter populations fall within 25 percent of the average voter population per constituency in urban and rural ridings. In Saskatchewan there is also provision that northern ridings should be within 50 percent of the average where there are pressing and substantial concerns. With a 20 seat Legislature, it should be possible to adhere closely to these principles.

The second item I have been looking at, Mr. Speaker, in my written submission is limiting the distances included in a single riding. It is difficult for MLAs to travel long distances between communities in their ridings, therefore the ridings should recognize the need to keep travel down to a minimum to lower costs. Anticipated future growth, although voter priority is based on the actual number of votes, it is also useful to look at the total population statistics to determine whether there will be a dramatic shift in a riding in the foreseeable future.

For example, in Iqaluit, we have seen an 18 percent increase in our population since the 1991 census. Based on these considerations, I would propose that the Nunavut Boundaries Commission consider the ridings as I have outlined them in the attached table. Seventeen of the 20 ridings would fall within the 25 percent variation from average voters. All of the ridings fall within a 50 percent variation.

Mr. Speaker, for example I would suggest that Iqaluit would have three ridings.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, there must be some sort of democracy here, Mr. Speaker, that would allow me to have another opportunity to represent the people of Nunavut and I think those three ridings would do it.

-- Laughter

For the benefit of Mr. Todd , I am recommending two ridings for Rankin Inlet. Mr. Speaker, this submission was sent last week and I would like the opportunity to thank you, the House, Mr. Hamilton and the staff for their support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 381-13(4): Congratulations To Members Of Parliament

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday was the day of voting for Canadians. My colleagues in Nunavut would like to express their congratulations to Prime Minister Chretien, also Ethel Blondin-Andrew and Nancy Karetak-Lindell, who were elected on behalf of the Liberal Party. I stand today to congratulate those voters. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 382-13(4): Long Distance Competition

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, the CRTC recently ruled that NorthwesTel must develop a plan to allow other long distance carriers to the come to the north. Unlike most places in Canada, we only have one phone company in the north and that is NorthwesTel. This should be good news. People in the north are often separated from family and friends by long distances. We cannot drive to the next town. Unfortunately, it is very expensive to use long distance telephone calls to keep in touch. As an MLA, I am very aware of this. I use the phone a lot to talk to my communities and my bills are very high.

I hope this decision by the CRTC will help northerners reduce long distance phone rates. Some other companies may want to come north to compete with NorthwesTel. Even if they do not, there will always be the possibility of competition. This will ensure that NorthwesTel is always trying to provide the best service at the lowest price. Mr. Speaker, we will have to wait and see how the decision will affect local telephone costs. However, for those of us who use long distance calling a lot or who would like to, this is good news. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 383-13(4): Special Education Funding Reductions

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1279

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. While I was in Hay River, I had the opportunity to attend a meeting with about 35 teachers. As their representative, I would like to convey a message to this government on behalf of our teachers. The challenges facing our educators are ever increasing. As we, a government, attempt to hold the line on deficit financing of our programs and services, our school populations are growing, our student teacher ratios are rising and this is further complicated by our high rate of northern children with special education needs.

This is causing a great deal of stress for professional educators who, in spite of this, remain committed to their students not only in their classroom studies but also in the many extra curricular activities to which our teachers donate countless hours which forms an important part of our children's education.

On top of these challenges the teachers, as I am sure everyone is aware, are not pleased with the manner in which reductions were made in the remuneration they receive for their work. They understand the fiscal realities facing our government but have ideas to contribute on how reductions in government expenditures could have been accomplished while upholding a strong commitment to education as a highest priority of this government. Money spent on education and early intervention in the learning needs of challenged children will save money in the future, which we will ultimately have to spend on social programs, incarceration, income support, adult education and so on.

In view of these stresses and challenges facing our teachers, I want to reassure the teachers in my community that I am open to any suggestions they may have on how we, as a government, can provide greater support to them on where they think this government could implement cost-saving measures in other areas of expenditure. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 384-13(4): Legal Training

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1279

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about legal training. Mr. Speaker, today our jails are full and in those jails there is abuse and things happening that we are not able to control. This is a weakness of our current legal system. At the same time, the GNWT is promoting community justice which empowers communities. It recognizes traditional methods of justice of the aboriginal people. However, community justice by itself is not an answer. Those who end up in the legal system must still interface between the courts and community justice. What we need are trained northerners who can help this system.

We now have dedicated individuals who are trying to work in this system, we have court workers, we have JPs and we have other court officers but they have limited formal legal training.

It is not fair to them or to the people that they are working with. We need northerners with real legal training, the type of training that is now going to happen in Nunavut which is a result of the $40 million that they are receiving to implement Nunavut. We need something similar in the west. I am proposing that we start a certificate and a diploma program at Aurora College, which would build on the success of other programs. By this I am talking about a one year academic preparation to help those people who have been out of school for awhile to prepare them for school.

Also, the program could be transferable to a university so that people could go to law school once they have finished or after they work for awhile.

The result of this, we would have court workers who could have a minimum of one year academic legal training and communities with legally trained people to promote and to propel community justice. We could also have JPs with actual legal training that extends beyond workshops and that type of thing. We would also have northern born lawyers and northern born judges as the end result. That is one of my goals for this Assembly, to work towards controlling our own destiny. But we need to find partnerships to create this program. To that end, I have spoken to the Minister of Justice and he has agreed to look into it.

Later this month I will be attending an aboriginal justice conference in Inuvik, at which time I will be promoting this concept. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

-- Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 385-13(4): Congratulations To Members Of Parliament

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to congratulate Ethel on her election last night. I would especially like to congratulate a lady from my home town, Nancy Karetak Lindell on her successful election. We are all very proud of her. I am sure that she will do very well. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Member's Statement 386-13(4): Workload Facing New Members Of Parliament

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1279

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker (Translation) I will be speaking in my language today. There was a Canada wide election yesterday. Ethel Blondin-Andrew was elected for the western Arctic and I am thankful for that. Ethel is from Tulita. She understands the language of the Dene people. She has been in Parliament for quite a few years so she knows how to represent the people from the western Arctic.

There are a lot of difficult things that are in store for us. We will be working on self-government. There are the land claims that still have to be dealt with and also self-government. There are still a lot of these important issues that we have to work on. The election is over. We have somebody in place that we have elected. If we start working together on the right track right from the beginning, we would benefit a lot from it. In 1979 I was elected Chief. What people had said at the time was that there should be some people to represent the native people in the Legislative Assembly and also in Parliament.

Today, it seems that their wishes have come true. I would like to say how thankful I am and I would like to congratulate Ethel on her election yesterday. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Ng .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1280

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to oral question asked by Mrs. Groenewegen on January 30, 1997, on the repatriation of northerners from southern institutions.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1280

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Repatriation of Northerners from Southern Institutions

The Department has had a number of successes through repatriation, in the areas of both health and social services.

One specific initiative includes the introduction of a dialysis treatment program at Stanton Regional Hospital. There were five patients repatriated from southern facilities in 1996/97 who now receive treatment in Yellowknife.

Other repatriation successes include the return of eight mentally and physically challenged adults, not only to live in northern group homes, but to be introduced to Independent Assisted Living arrangements. Six clients have been successfully placed. However, two have had to return to their former southern placement, as northern caregivers were unable to respond and cope with their higher needs.

There are currently 38 mentally and physically challenged adults in southern institutions and community placements in the provinces of Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Ontario and Quebec.

Under Child Welfare, there were a total of nine children repatriated through a continuum of care. Initial case planning for short and long term clients has repatriation of all clients in southern facilities as the desired result. It should also be noted that children initially sent south for treatment may eventually be repatriated as adults.

There are no specific developments in the Child Welfare Program. However, the department is evaluating northern facilities to identify further repatriation opportunities. As of March 31, 1997, 28 children were in southern facilities.

The north will have to develop resources to deal with the category of individuals with higher needs before repatriation can proceed further. Northern staff must be trained to deal with these people, facilities will have to be renovated to higher security levels and community based services and supports will need to be developed. As a beginning, the department has developed a draft paper entitled Development of Northern Resources for Special Needs, dated April 17, 1998, in which is outlined a process to develop northern resources in this important area. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1280

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Morin .

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Page 1280

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great honour and pleasure today to recognize our MP for the Western Arctic who was re-elected last night, Ethel Blondin-Andrew and her husband, Leon.

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Page 1280

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Rabesca .

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Page 1280

James Rabesca

North Slave

Today, Mr. Speaker, I would like to welcome Grade 7, 8 and 9 classes as well as their teachers, supervisors and bus drivers from Chief Jimmy Bruneau School. They have come to Yellowknife to tour this building as well as interesting sites in Yellowknife. It is always a pleasure to have younger constituents visit this fabulous facility to get an idea as to how this government works. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1280

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Erasmus .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 1280

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize the Yellowknives Dene First Nation translating students. Their instructor is Mary Rose Sundberg and their students are Stella Johnson, Lena Drygeese, Berna Martin, Julia Lynn, Celine Charlo, Adeline Crapeau and Doreen Liske, who is not here and also Mary Pepper, an instructor who is not here. Thank you.

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Page 1280

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Antoine .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 1280

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, (Translation) today, Nick Sibbeston is sitting in the Gallery. He used to be an MLA and also a government leader. I would like to welcome him to the Assembly. (Translation ends)

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Page 1280

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to also recognize some students from School Draw, open custody, and their teacher, Jean Robertson and supervisor, Cathy Shick. The students

are from all over the Northwest Territories. Welcome to the Assembly.

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Page 1281

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Lyla Fraser. Her father is Pete Fraser, a Member of this Legislative Assembly in years gone by. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I would like to recognize Mr. David Sangris from Fort Smith also by way of Nahendeh. He should be in the gallery. He was earlier on. Thank you very much.

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Page 1281

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, just to make sure that we are not excluding anyone, I would like to recognize Clair Barnabe formerly of Norman Wells.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize all those people who have not been recognized. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 524-13(4): Dew Line Site Clean-up

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1281

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be speaking in Inuktitut. Mr. Speaker, in Broughton Island, there is a DEW line that needs to be cleaned up. The buildings on the DEW line site need to be cleaned. My question is directed to the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . I would like to get an update as to what has been done in that area to clean up the DEW line site. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Kakfwi .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

(Translation unavailable) Mahsi.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Department of National Defence has been discussing and has had discussions with the Inuit claimant groups earlier this year about ways to clean up the DEW line sites.

It is my understanding that the Inuit claimant groups have been in discussions with the Department of National Defence and also the Department of Environment on the ways in which these DEW line sites could be cleaned up. The last specific suggestion that was made was that the Department of National Defence was requesting land use permits and permission to use land fill sites to dispose of materials and buildings from these DEW line sites.

Materials and buildings that apparently contain high levels of PCBs and because of the recent guidelines adopted by the Department of Environment, the levels of PCBs contained in the materials and buildings at these sites are of a level considered far too high and do not meet the minimum level required in order to qualify for being disposed of in land fill sites. At this time it is unclear what is going to be done with these DEW line sites. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

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Samuel Gargan

I will ask the Member for Baffin Central if he might be able to rephrase his question so that it is not a new question. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will rephrase my question to the honourable Minister. Can the Minister keep me updated in the future about the activities that will be happening in Broughton Island? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mahsi. (Translation unavailable) Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

Point of Privilege

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, to the question. What I said, in Dene, is that if there is activity in regard to the clean up of the DEW line sites near Broughton, if there is activity going on in the Arctic that is in proximity to any of the Members communities or constituencies, I would be pleased to ask my department to provide updates and briefings to each Member respectively. Specifically to the Member's request, I would be happy to try to arrange for a regular briefing for the Member specifically for any activity in regard to the DEW line site that is in proximity to Broughton Island. Thank you.

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Question 525-13(4): Negotiated Contract Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is in regards to negotiated contracts and it is directed to Mr. Antoine . There have been several statements made in this House about negotiated contracts in regards to the Chamber of Commerce who makes reference that they do not support it. Negotiated contracts do not really deal with the Chamber of Commerce. It is more in relation to aboriginal organizations who are starting out their own businesses in communities.

There has been a lot said and as a Member for the Mackenzie Delta riding, we see a lot of negotiated contracts the benefits that I see coming from it, especially for the aboriginal community where we have a large ratio of unemployment. Looking at the statistics that the aboriginal communities seems to be the ones hit the hardest when you look at education statistics, health statistics and employment statistics.

I would like to ask how soon can the Minister, in relation to his colleagues, come down with the policy so that the Members here could feel comfortable in their minds and also that the policy be put into force so that people that presently depend on this policy will be able to continue, knowing that it will not end because of a few individuals making statements in this House? Thank you.

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Thank you. I know the question is directed to Mr. Antoine , but I believe this is the responsibility of the Deputy Premier, Mr. Arlooktoo , or to the Premier . Do you wish to redirect to the Premier ? Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I could not quite hear the full question. If I could have the Member repeat it please. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question was regarding the negotiated contract policy and how soon this government will have it completed and ready for Members of this House so that they can take a look at it and have it available to the public? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do have staff working on a negotiated contracts policy for this government. It will be going to Cabinet very shortly, then to committee, then to this Legislative Assembly, then to the public in general. That should happen all within the next ten days. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is nice to hear that the policy will be completed and ready in the next couple of weeks and hopefully it will put some people to ease. I would also like to ask the Premier if he can inform the people that will be affected by this policy, especially at this time, so that they are also aware of what is happening with the policy?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the interest of open government and to make sure our communication lines are open, all metis locals, band councils, hamlet councils and organizations in the Northwest Territories, for example the

NWT Construction Organization, will be informed as well. Thank you.

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Question 526-13(4): Radar Installation In The North

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is to the Premier . A couple of weeks back I had the opportunity to learn first hand some of the employment and financial benefits that the 50th Space Wing situated in Colorado Springs bring to the Northwest Territories. It is a direct impact on the NWT economy, as I mentioned, in jobs. We had the construction of the DEW line station in the early 1950s, and then it was replaced by the early warning system. Today, the maintenance of that particular facility employs approximately 200 northerners.

Also, the 50th Space Wing, they maintain and control the global positioning satellite systems which aids hunters, trappers, prospectors and surveyors in helping them in many cases to get to safety.

On that visit I became aware of some of the requirements to construct a ground based radar system. It was suggested that it would be best located north of 60. My question to the Premier is, would the Premier tell us about his findings on this particular topic and also if he would support this initiative that could bring some additional jobs to the north in the way of employment and also the location of this particular system and construction in the north? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a large meteor shower will bombard the earth in the very near future.

-- Laughter

The specific cloud is called a leonit meteor storm. It is forecasted to arrive April 1, 1999. No, it is forecasted to arrive in 1999, Mr. Speaker. When it does, the incidence of meteors will increase ten thousand fold. The shower will particularly threaten all man made objects in orbit around the earth today. In order to take evasive action with satellites such as turning the antennas to present the smallest cross sections or change in orbit, the operators need to know more about the shower. They need to be able to predict the storms as accurately as possible.

The world leading experts in this field are Canadian scientists. They operate from a number of universities. In order for them to better gather data to support their work they need to have a radar deployed, ideally north of 68 degrees, to be able to track the leonit storm continuously.

The radar is a BHF radar. The data it would gather would help with the predictive models for meteor showers. There is an urgency, Mr. Speaker, in this requirement. Ideally, the radar should be purchased and used in England in 1997 and set up north of the 68 degrees in 1998-99. The SWR 503 by Rathion Canada is ideally suited to the task. The radar cost is in the vicinity of $2 million. The total cost of the project is estimated at $5.5 million. Mr. Speaker, a fraction of this would be spent in the Northwest Territories. A number of NWT sites, such as Inuvik, are well suited to this project. And, Mr.

Speaker, many times this government has said that we will facilitate and work to attract investment in the Northwest Territories, so it goes without saying that very shortly I will be writing a letter in support of this project to try to get as much benefit to the Northwest Territories as possible. Thank you.

-- Applause

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Question 527-13(4): Policy On Negotiated Contracts

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it was very good following the debate just now between Mr. Henry and Mr. Morin , to see that Mr. Morin is on top of things and progressing. It is too bad the government has not been progressing that way when it comes to the negotiated and sole sourced contracts, especially when now we have just learned that there is a policy being written and is going to be submitted to this government for the past ten days. So my question to the Premier is what policy has this government been following for the last year and a half if we are just writing a policy now? Maybe some clarification? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is the same old question again. I am getting used to answering it. Like I have said before, the Transportation Department does not have a policy for negotiated contracts, Cabinet does follow a directive on negotiated contracts and that is what we have done for the past many, many years. Now there will be one clear policy for all government departments to follow. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question to the Premier then is if we had all these different policies within the different government departments, from the various Hansards and answers across the floor, I understand from the Premier that everything was working fine. I wonder why now has the Premier decided to have just one policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member has requested it.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I did request, I believe Mr. Ootes and myself about 15 months ago, did request this policy. If this is in actuality going ahead, I will await it. And I would like to follow up with the sole sourced which is in the same vein. There is no policy for sole sourced contracts. I wonder what is happening with the sole sourced contract policy?

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Thank you. I do not know if there is any difference between sole sourced and negotiated contracts. It is still non competitive contracts. Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Under sole sourced contracts, both follow the contract regulations of this government. It is fairly straightforward and we will continue to follow the contract regulations of this government. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I just recently had a situation in my riding where that policy seems to be circumvented. I wonder if the Minister could tell me and the people of the Northwest Territories, what happens when that policy is circumvented? What does he have in place to discipline the people who circumvent that sole sourced policy which is not a policy? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be pleased to address the issue the Member raises if he would be specific and let me know what he is talking about? What specific contract he is referring to? I would then be pleased to address it. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions, Mr. O'Brien . Mr. Picco , your point of order.

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Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, my question and I think the Hansard will back me up on this, I asked what is the penalty when that sole sourced policy is being circumvented. That was my question and he came back and asked me, well give me the incident. I am asking what are the penalties in place for any contract. He did not answer my question so I would like an answer to my question.

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That is not a point of order. What was your point of order?

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Iqaluit

My point, Mr. Speaker was that the Minister did not answer my question. He came back with a reply that did not answer my question. I asked a specific question. I would like a specific answer.

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Thank you. Mr. Picco , under the rules when answering a question a Minister may answer it, take it as notice or decline to answer by saying nothing, so just to remind the Members those are the rules. If you look at it, you will be clear. Oral questions, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . Can the Minister advise this House whether or not there are any hamlets or communities that have been provided block funding in order to take over medical facilities and programs? Thank you.

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The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe as it stands now the Hay River Hospital has an operating agreement with the department and that is the only municipality in that situation, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe there are a number of other communities that have been afforded this opportunity. Mr. Speaker, early this week a request was put to the Minister on behalf of the two communities that I represent asking that they be given consideration for block funding to take over partial medical services or full medical services in my riding. The Minister indicated that he would not be supportive of this request.

The Minister at the time did not indicate why he would not be supportive and in view that there are other communities that have been given this block funding which we would consider community empowerment, why is the Minister refusing this community? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr.

Speaker, first of all in respect of the Hay River agreement, the Hay River Hospital Board had a board in place and was administering the delivery of health services at the time that the contractual agreement was entered into and I do believe that in response to the honourable Member's question about why I would not consider it for his communities of Arviat and Baker Lake, I said at the time and I will repeat, that there are certain economies of scale and doing things on a regional basis, particularly when you are dealing with issues as complex as health and social services issues where you have some regional support mechanisms that are required, that it is not cost effective and efficient to segregate the funding on a regional basis and to dish it out for some communities that may want it and others that may not, Mr.

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Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, just a point of clarification. I just want to make it perfectly clear that the Minister is stating that there is only one case where medical facilities or services have been block funded in the GNWT.

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Kelvin Ng

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, first of all I want to say that I did not say that the community was block funded. I said there was a contractual arrangement with the town of Hay River for provision of some of the health care services in that community, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister talks of economies of scale and so on and so forth in reference to allowing the communities to take on these additional responsibilities. Given the fact that my two communities of Arviat and Baker Lake are two of the larger communities in the Keewatin with over 3,000 people, would the Minister not revisit this and give this further consideration to see if it is possible to allow either partial or full block funding for medical services in my riding? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again I say no, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier and it is regarding my statement this morning about the fact that there are potentially federal civil servants located in the south that perhaps more appropriately should be located here in the north. I was thinking of several various departments, more than just the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs. I am wondering if the Premier could tell me if the territorial government may have on hand or has ever had an indication of an inventory of federal positions that are located in the south that could potentially be transferred to the territories. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There has been a bit of work done on this whole issue already. Myself, I have taken the initiative to talk to Minister Irwin, the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development when he came to the Northwest Territories recently. My understanding is that there are approximately over 100 PYs. That is just within mineral and oil and gas development for the north alone. We can undertake to look at the other ones as well. But at this time I would like to stay focused and try to get this part transferred to the north immediately with the help of our MP. Thanks.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Premier . Yes, I quite appreciate that the Premier feels that we should focus and rightly so. It is very important to ensure that we address specific areas, but I do feel that there is potential for more. Certainly, as I said earlier, there is a golden opportunity here for us to be able to identify those at this particular time, especially with the new Minister coming on stream. He or she potentially will be in position within a month. I wonder if the Premier could tell me if we could pursue the idea of an inventory of positions with various departments. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, we can find out what positions are in the south that affect decision-making in the Northwest Territories and what positions can possibly be moved north. We will do that work, but we will also

proceed politically immediately, starting as soon as possible to try to get the political support to move things north. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I think that the political support is very essential and I was pleased that the Premier had the opportunity at the Premiers' Conference to be able to initiate and address this question. I think that is very good for the north. I am wondering how, if the Premier could tell us how that may translate. Can we call on the Premiers when we make a proposal? Can we call on their support to address this to the Prime Minister? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the Western Premiers' Conference that I just returned from a few days ago, we did get support from the western Premiers on this whole issue. Once we do that at a Western Premiers' Conference than we will pursue it at the Premiers Conference in Canada. All the Premiers will be meeting, I believe it is in August in New Brunswick, and I have the western Premiers' support already on record, so I can pursue it there as well to get the support of all the Premiers across this country to devolve that authority to the Northwest Territories as well as moving PYs as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I think this can be a really good news story for us all here in the north because as the Premier stated they have identified some 100 positions, perhaps we may be a bit optimistic there but that can be a really good outlook for the north and can replace some of the lost positions that we have had happen. I am wondering if the Premier could tell me, just out of curiosity, when the Premiers' Conference will be, the National Premiers' Conference. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not have my

schedule with me so I cannot give the exact dates. It is, I believe, in the early part of August and it will be in New Brunswick. I do know that it is in August. I would be pleased to share those dates with the Members of the Assembly. Let me assure the Members that we will also be working diligently starting immediately with meeting both our MPs as soon as we can, as well as talking to the Prime Minister either today or tomorrow, as well as talking to the new Minister of Indian Affairs immediately after he or she is appointed into their position. We are going to be aggressively going after this issue so that we can get positions moved to the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Health and Social Services and it has to do with the subject of recruitment of doctors for the north. Hay River as a community has indeed been very fortunate in the past in that we have had a fairly good number of doctors and doctors who have committed to stay in the community for a number of years. However, with the departure of Dr. Culvert last year, we as a community are very concerned about recruiting and retaining physicians in our community.

I would like to ask the Minister, who has the responsibility for this task of recruitment at the present time? Is it done by each individual community or the regional health boards? What is the process for the recruitment of positions at this time?

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Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, currently the regional or local Health and Social Services authorities have the responsibilities for recruitment. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to that, I am just wondering if there are any further incentives or inducements that the department could think of that would assist in getting doctors to consider the north. There is a tremendous amount of competition for Canadian graduates at this point. Many Canadian graduates are actually opting to practice in the US. I am wondering if it is not something that we should be looking at on a territorial basis to come up with standard options for encouraging doctors to consider the north?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are aware of the issue of recruitment and retention of physicians and other health care professionals. I cannot say that although it is a board responsibility now that the department has an active role in trying to support the boards in putting together a strategy to try to deal with this issue. As I indicated in the quest