Debates of June 6th, 2008

This is page numbers 955 to 992 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 55-16(2) Traditional Life Skills Program

Minister’s Statement 56-16(2) Implementation Of The New Deal For NWT Community Governments

Government-Wide Reduction Of Paper Documents

Congratulations To High School Graduates

Cost-Of-Living Concerns In Communities

GNWT Market Disruption Policy

Eliminating Plastic Shopping Bags

Closure Of Volunteer NWT

Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

Tailings Spill At Ekati Diamond Mine

Congratulations To All Northern High School Graduates

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Question 276-16(2) Infrastructure And Service Comparison Between Communities

Question 277-16(2) GNWT Market Disruption Policy

Question 278-16(2) Access Road Connecting Aklavik To The Dempster Highway

Question 279-16(2) Elimination Of Plastic Shopping Bags

Question 280-16(2) Government-Wide Reduction Of Paper Documents

Question 281-16(2) Compulsory Requirements To Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions

Question 282-16(2) Financial Support For Volunteer NWT

Question 283-16(2) Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

Question 284-16(2) Summer Mandatory Leave For Public Servants

Question 285-16(2) Private Sector Incentives To Hire Summer Students

Question 18-16(2) Capital Projects With The Department Of Transportation

Tabling of Documents

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Aboriginal Affairs And Intergovernmental Relations

Committee Motion 32-16(2) To Recommend That The Department Of Aboriginal Affairs And Intergovernmental Relations Increase Aboriginal Employment Across The Department To A Minimum Of Representative Levels (Committee Motion Carried)

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Public Works And Services

Committee Motion 33-16(2) To Recommend That The Department Of Public Works And Services Bring Forward A Proposal To Allocate A Portion Of Profits From The Sale Of Petroleum Products To Initiatives To Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions (Committee Motion Carried)

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 10 a.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good morning, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 55-16(2) Traditional Life Skills Program

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr.

Speaker, over 100

students from Kalemi Dene School in N’dilo and Kaw Tay Whee School in Dettah have been taking part this week in a traditional life skills program at the Yellowknife River.

Under the instruction and guidance of our Dene elders these young people are learning and applying traditional and cultural practices for tanning moosehides, preparing traditional foods, creating tools and playing Dene games. The students are also getting the opportunity to take

part in the traditional construction of a birchbark canoe.

The Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment, together with the Yellowknives Dene First Nation and the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, are providing the financial and in-kind resources to support this extremely worthwhile project.

It is just one of many traditional life skills projects provided annually for school-aged youth by Industry, Tourism and Investment under the Take a Kid Trapping Program. We are fortunate that this particular project happens to be taking place while we are sitting here in Yellowknife, and I would like to extend an invitation to all Members of this Assembly to participate in a feast being held as part of this program. The feast will take place this afternoon from 4 to 6 at the Yellowknife River, known to the Yellowknife Dene as Weledeh.

Mr. Speaker, the aboriginal people of our territory have a long, proud history of self-reliance and self-sufficiency. The transfer of traditional life skills ensures that these values are sustained and that important social and cultural links are maintained to the land and its resources. Since 2002 over 4,000 youth have participated in different components of the department’s Take a Kid Trapping Program.

The program’s success is due in large part to the strong partnership that exists between the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment; Municipal and Community Affairs; Environment and Natural Resources; Education, Culture and Employment; and the talents and skills of the many local residents and elders who support the program in various communities.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Minister’s Statement 56-16(2) Implementation Of The New Deal For NWT Community Governments

Ministers’ Statements

Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s my pleasure to share with colleagues some of the positive results that have been realized to date in the first year after the formal implementation of the New Deal for NWT Community Governments.

Implemented April 1, 2007, the New Deal is designed to provide communities with increased authority in decision making on capital projects. Designed in partnership between the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs and community governments, the initiative reflects a huge shift in our government’s approach to planning, designing and implementing community public infrastructure, in response to a long-standing desire of many of our communities. With increased authority comes increased responsibility, and everyone involved recognizes that community governments must be supported if they are to be able to successfully manage these new responsibilities.

The Department of Municipal and Community Affairs has worked to provide a range of supports for community governments. Numerous community,

regional and territorial workshops have been held to support the development of a five-year capital investment plan. Training has been provided in capital-planning methods and best practices. The School of Community Government has developed courses in asset management, infrastructure financing and other related issues.

In addition, through ongoing partnerships with the NWT Association of Communities and the Local Government Administrators of the NWT, MACA is supporting opportunities to share templates and best practices amongst communities so that learning from each other’s experience can be maximized. Pilot projects have demonstrated that communities have the skills and abilities to successfully take on new responsibilities, and I would like to highlight a few examples.

The Hamlet of Fort Liard completed their long-awaited maintenance garage as well as office and fire hall upgrades in one construction season, on time and on budget, by bundling the projects.

The Hamlet of Fort McPherson is planning the grand opening of their new community complex this spring. The building will include the hamlet offices, a youth centre, an elders centre and a community radio station. By levering funds from other sources, the community has acquired a multi-purpose building that will serve a range of needs.

The K’asho Got’ine council in Fort Good Hope will be starting construction on their new community office complex this summer and, through this process, have developed local capacity in project design and management.

The Yellowknives Dene First Nation are proceeding with a new community complex in Dettah and, in the process, are working in partnership with MACA to find a way for all designated authority band governments to deal with restrictions in the Indian Act.

In all cases communities have taken MACA funding and enhanced local projects by accessing other funding sources.

The New Deal is a new way of doing business, one which reflects a more balanced and respectful partnership between the Government of the Northwest Territories and community governments. In a time of strained resources I’m pleased to note that there has been a significant increase in the amount of funding available to the community governments to implement community public infrastructure.

The Government of the Northwest Territories capital formula funding, along with an increase in federal infrastructure funding, will result in an increase of over 250 per cent in funding for community public infrastructure, from an average of $17 million per year in 2004–2005 to $49.5 million

per year in 2009–2010. While this increase does not address the infrastructure deficit that our communities face as a result of the impacts of deferred maintenance on the lifespan of existing infrastructure, it allows them to make great strides in addressing that issue.

Experience over the past year has demonstrated that communities are competent and capable of managing complex infrastructure projects. With ongoing support, advice and mentorship from the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, we will continue to see the development and growth in community capacity and achievement.

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Government-Wide Reduction Of Paper Documents

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As this is Environment Week, I thought I would comment on an affront to Mother Nature, our environment and our pocketbooks perpetrated by our government every day. I had a perfect example of this yesterday. In my mailbox appeared a lovely 16-page, full-colour, glossy report. The accompanying three-line letter told me the report was attached and that it was available on-line and provided the Internet URL.

The letter was a waste of paper, except that I will reuse the back side. The info in the letter could have been sent in an e-mail. The report was lovely to look at but won’t be used. I will read it, maybe file it, quite likely recycle it. I can get the same info, also in colour, by reading the report on-line.

What was the cost to print this document? How many trees did we kill to make it and the letterhead page for how many hundreds of people, and how many of these reports do you think will still be around next week?

All Members recently received an e-mail from a Yellowknife resident with a novel cost-saving suggestion. He said, and I quote from the e-mail:

“…the GNWT give serious consideration to changing the format for annual reports from hard copy to a disk. If the reports were prepared and submitted on a disk and distributed as such, the savings to the government and agencies would be substantial. The time spent by employees who are tasked to complete the reports would be reduced significantly, thereby saving time and money for the government. Following tabling in

the Legislative Assembly, the reports could be uploaded to the department’s web page or to a central web page containing all the GNWT and agencies’ reports.

“On another note, this would greatly reduce waste (all the reports that eventually end up at the dump) to our landfills and cut greenhouse gases during the production stage.”

It’s small changes like this one that will help our environment. It is small changes like this one that will save us money and force us to think outside the box. I don’t know what policies the government might have in regard to the publication of reports — why, what, when, how — but I suggest that we need to change them and change them now.

To the government, save our trees and send notification of new reports and copies of the document by e-mail; save our expenses and print it to disk or post on-line. To quote again from the e-mail, “It would be a win-win situation for everyone.” Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Congratulations To High School Graduates

Members’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the next few weeks across the Northwest Territories young people are getting ready to celebrate the completion of school by having their grade 12 graduation ceremonies. This is the time for them to acknowledge the achievements that they’ve made. I’m especially honoured to be invited to the Inuvik Samuel Hearne high school grade 12 graduation ceremony tomorrow, and I’m looking forward to that.

I’d like to send a message out there to young people. This is a time to celebrate your achievements. Part of the celebration, I know, for a lot of them is going out and having graduation parties. Although I would discourage it, I know it’s going to happen, so I’m asking all of you out there just to be very careful while you’re out. Especially use this time to reflect on and celebrate your achievements, and thank the people who guided you through those years that you went to school — your parents, your teachers, some of your peers.

There’s a bright future ahead for a lot of kids finishing school. Our post-secondary funding is second to none in the country, and I would encourage you to take advantage of it. You’ve got a whole future out there. Some of you may even end up in this Assembly, and if you do, I’m going to teach you how to say yes once in a while. It’s a new

chapter in the lives of the young people out there. Use it for a time of celebration, reflect on everything

that you’ve done and just be very careful, again, while you’re out there.

As an Assembly we salute your achievements, and we just want all the grads across the Northwest Territories to know that we are very especially proud of them, and we look forward to the contribution that I think they’re going to make to the Northwest Territories in the future. I think we have a bright future; I think we have a bright group of kids coming up. We acknowledge that and try to promote it with the education system we have here.

People do have issues with the quality of the education, but I think we have a post-secondary education that gives a lot of kids up here an opportunity they wouldn’t normally get, and I would encourage them to go grab a hold of that opportunity, because it’s there. Best of luck to all the grads and whatever you decide to do in your future.

Thank you.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Congratulations To High School Graduates

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today is a special day for the residents of Fort McPherson and Chief Julius School. Today some 15 graduates will be graduating from Chief Julius School. Of the 15 graduates there are five sets of brothers — Alyn Charlie, Aryn Charlie; Grant Snowshoe, Waylon Snowshoe; Robert Koe, Desmond Koe; Corey Alexie, Glenn Alexie; Jeffrey Robert, Perry Robert — along with Steven Kimiksana, Jennifer Greenland, Megan McCormick, Bobbie Rose Koe, and Ashlynn Allen.

I’d like to take this time to congratulate each and every one of the graduates and, more importantly, their families and their teachers and the staff of Chief Julius School for everything they have done to make sure that these children were able to graduate.

Mr.

Speaker, it’s an important time for our

communities when we see some 15 graduates graduate from our high schools in our small communities. They are our future; they are the ones that will make the difference to the benefit of all the communities. I encourage the students to continue on with their educational endeavours and to continue on to better themselves and take advantage of those opportunities in the future.

I would also like to recognize three graduates from Tsiigehtchic who will be graduating in Inuvik tomorrow: Darby Blake, Maranda Blake and Shelly Andre. I would like to also recognize my niece

Ashlyn Krutko, who will also be graduating in Inuvik tomorrow.

In closing, I would like to congratulate each and every one of them and, more importantly, their families. Again, it’s our communities that win when we see our students graduating.

With that, all the best, good luck and continue on with your educational endeavours. Mahsi.

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Congratulations To High School Graduates

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Cost-Of-Living Concerns In Communities

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. All week I have been highlighting the differences between small communities like Lutselk’e and Fort Resolution and life in the larger centres. I have talked about the limited resources to medical services, professional counselling, and education and training options, which people in Yellowknife and the towns take for granted.

I have talked about the higher rates of suicide and youth crime; the limited resources available to our schools and RCMP detachments; the lack of municipal infrastructure like paved roads and sidewalks, recreation facilities, piped water and sewer services; and the high costs of travel, food and other essentials. It’s a long list, with which small community residents are all too familiar.

I have questioned the Minister of MACA , the Minister of Health and the Premier on what the government is doing to ensure that policies, procedures and funding formulas are small-community friendly. Mr. Speaker, I have asked what the government is doing to address the high cost of living in communities that people cannot afford to live in, that cannot provide programs and services to their residents; and the lack of infrastructure.

Our territory is vast, with 33 unique communities, some in settlement claim areas, some still under negotiation. We have to realize that a cookie-cutter approach made in Yellowknife cannot fit everyone. We are aware that residents, no matter in which community they live, expect quality programs, services and infrastructure, and hope for more from life than just barely making ends meet.

I was pleased to hear yesterday that the Premier is receptive to the idea of a joint committee that will focus on small-community concerns. I look forward to working with my colleagues in this House on this very important initiative.

The cost-of-living issues have been raised time and time again by my constituents. This is a concern for every resident in our smaller communities. Residents are getting frustrated but participate in

comprehensive consultation processes, where they unanimously voice their concerns and collectively identify the cost of living as a main concern, yet here we are again, talking about the need to do something about it.

Mr. Speaker, an immediate needs assessment and an effective strategy should be developed and delivered for a real long-term sustainable solution. Later I’ll have questions for the Premier .

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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GNWT Market Disruption Policy

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to talk about how the market disruption policy is interpreted in the business development funding guidelines. Under the current policy, market disruption is said to occur when an investment by the government in a community impacts an existing business. Exceptions to this policy will only be considered if it can be demonstrated that a substantial portion of the market cannot be served by existing businesses, and that those existing businesses will not be seriously impacted by the proposed projects.

Recently a constituent who operates a small business informed me that a business located in another South Slave community received a business development contribution. The business that received the funding, however, has a Hay River business licence, and operates each year on a seasonal basis in Hay River and is in direct competition with my constituent. When my constituent raised his concerns with ITI officials and the Minister, he was told that the policy was followed, because the applicant's — in this case — primary place of business was in another community.

Clearly, this constitutes market disruption, and the government, by approving the contribution, is in violation of its own policies. This response also illustrates that the market disruption policy is narrowly interpreted, and does not take into consideration situations where market disruption occurs in other NWT communities other than the applicant's community.

This is not an issue about competition. Businesses — small businesses, all kinds of businesses — expect and deal with competition. This is about the need to have a fair and equitable funding process for businesses that are operating in the same region.

I ask that the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment investigate this issue and take appropriate action to address this gap in policy.

I will have questions for the Minister at the appropriate time today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs.

Groenewegen.

Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Eliminating Plastic Shopping Bags

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, as I always like to begin each Friday, I would like to make special mention that it’s Red Friday and I support my troops.

Today I want to talk about the need for public support in discussion and education in an effort to gradually eliminate the use of plastic bags. Plastic bags are everywhere. For almost every purchase we make, we get a plastic bag. Here in the NWT that adds up to almost 40 tonnes of plastic bag waste each year.

The use of plastic bags has serious impacts on the environment. While some are recycled, most plastic bags go to the garbage and end up in our landfills. It is estimated that plastic bags take up to 1,000 years for them to break down. Plastic bags are also a major part of our litter problem. They clutter our streets, stick to our trees and certainly pollute our waters.

Another reason to consider eliminating plastic bags is that they are made from petroleum products, a major contributor to greenhouse gases. Some people like to say it's Environment Day or Environment Week, but as I see it, to some degree, it's Environment Day every day.

The Department of Environment and Natural Resources has identified plastic bags as something we should consider recycling. I believe we should take it a step further and consult with the residents and businesses on ways to eliminate the use of plastic bags in the NWT.

If I highlight Halifax, for instance, some stores don't even sell plastic bags anymore. They don't allow them. They sell only cloth bags. So if you show up there, you’re out of luck if you forgot your bags. You have to buy new ones.

There's a growing international movement to ban or discourage the use of these manufactured plastic bags. Countries like Ireland, Australia, South Africa, Bangladesh, and even China have either banned these bags or implemented taxes or fees to put pressure on consumers. These taxes and fees have resulted in a significant drop in the use of

plastic bags and have provided millions of dollars to governments to support recycling programs.

Many Northerners recognize the problems associated with plastic bags, and they are saying no to plastic bags by using cloth bags.

I believe that we need to move on this movement and ideals that are best for our environment. I would encourage the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources to make sure he gets out there and engages Northerners, to make sure we take significant steps to reduce and move forward on this issue.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Closure Of Volunteer NWT

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Today is a sad day for the voluntary sector and non-governmental organizations in the Northwest Territories. As of yesterday, due to lack of GNWT funding and support, Volunteer NWT had to close their doors.

Volunteer NWT has been a champion for the voluntary sector, which includes volunteer organizations as well as NGOs, by promoting and supporting this sector. They have worked towards increasing the number of Northerners helping out, providing communities and organizations with the tools to increase volunteerism, and setting up a formal network to support the long-term goals and work of volunteers and voluntary groups.

This Assembly's strategic plan indicates the desire to support the voluntary sector, yet when the rubber hits the road, it is clear that Cabinet does not actually support this sector. As such, Volunteer NWT is dead.

Volunteer NWT was able to find $79,800 in project funding from the Walter and Duncan Gordon Foundation to assist with further work on financing relationship issues between the GNWT and the sector. Unfortunately, the funding does not include Volunteer NWT operating funds. Volunteer NWT does not believe there are reasonable expectations for success with such a project at this time in the absence of GNWT support.

There is still a need for the services that Volunteer NWT has provided. Their united voice has a place. Their dedication to act as a point of contact between the sector and the GNWT will be missed. There is much left to be done on the part of the GNWT to engage this sector.

The GNWT must develop a dialogue and work with this sector. This sector plays an important role in creating healthy communities. The GNWT's unwillingness to support and work with the volunteer sector and Volunteer NWT is the North's loss. I encourage this government to reconsider their decision to not support Volunteer NWT.

At the appropriate time I'll be asking the Minister responsible for MACA questions on this issue. Thank you.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Abernethy.

Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I want to speak again today about sex offender and family violence programming at North Slave Correctional Centre.

I've been greatly concerned over the Minister's comments to me, in previous rounds of questioning, that the two program delivery officers are going to be reassigned to caseworkers, and that other staff at the facility are going to be trained to deliver the programming. This is completely absurd. Does the Minister really and actually believe that other staff could attend a week or ten-day training course and just simply step into delivering a group therapy sex offender or family violence program? If this is the case, what does this say about our commitment as a government to keep our families and communities safe?

We have an obligation to our residents to rehabilitate offenders before we send them back into our communities. Sex offender programming is very specialized training, and it takes years of training, clinic practice and dedicated professionals to effectively deliver the programming. You can't just simply open a manual and teach lessons. It is actual group therapy, and I would really like to know who is going to train these new people.

The existing delivery officers trained for over two years with a psychologist who put the program together. I don't understand how individuals who are caseworkers, who deal with inmates and issues day in and day out, are going to have the non-judgmental attitude the trainers will need. The two positions should not be melded together.

I've had the occasion to speak with some officials from Correctional Service of Canada who have some very deep concerns over our Department of Justice's now nonchalant approach to programming. They tell me that in the federal system all programming must be delivered by qualified staff — the delivery of sex offender and

family violence programs with individuals that must have at least a master's degree. How can we get away with proposing a week or ten days’ worth of training to individuals with no clinical, university, or academic training?

Perhaps the Minister should look at Corrections Canada, at its guidelines for the provision of programming. He might be surprised by what he finds, Mr. Speaker. Mahsi.

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Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Tailings Spill At Ekati Diamond Mine

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

As my colleague Mr. Hawkins has said, every day is Environment Day, and today is the last day of the recognized week called Environment Week.

I'd like to mention the tailings spill at Ekati Mine. Apparently, a large overflow of a contaminant wall — about 4.7 million litres of contaminants — spilled onto the tundra and the lakes where, of course, we have lake trout, grayling, whitefish, and so on, and the whole ecosystem, right from the invertebrates up to the migratory birds, and eventually to where we consume and where we get our energy from for our bodies.

Investigations are ongoing to determine the cause. It's still unknown, apparently. People are also looking at the effectiveness of the monitoring programs, which have come into question. There's a possibility that the spill may actually have been spotted, incidentally, by an employee flying into the mine. So I hope there are going to be some tune-ups there.

Cleanup is apparently happening and is being pursued very aggressively and appropriately. But this whole thing brings into question the design of these development projects. Of course, during environmental reviews we're always assured that everything is well in hand and so on, but these things are based on so-called normals. They are based on the patterns of climate and so on. From having participated, I know that the tailings dams, which have ice cores, are designed for a certain amount of warming, and warming, of course, is much greater than predicted only ten or so years ago.

There really are no normals anymore. We hear a lot about tailings, but not about the greenhouse gas emissions causing the climate change — one of the biggest issues we have today. Greenhouse gas emissions have doubled, largely because of the diamond mine development projects. Yet, Mr. Speaker, we still have no requirement for even 1 per cent renewable energy in any of our development projects. This, to me, is atrocious. We

still need major tune-ups there. Even the youngest child on the street today will be able to tell you that.

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.

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Tailings Spill At Ekati Diamond Mine

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Roland .

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Congratulations To All Northern High School Graduates

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May and June mark a special time in the North, a sure sign of change. The land returns with its colours, and the sounds of the wildlife once again come alive.

Mr.

Speaker, another sign of change is also

recognized in our schools. Graduations mark that change in many lives of our students and families. The graduates look forward to what the next stage of life may bring — continuing education, jobs, travel, families. As parents we still see our young son or daughter taking their first steps, riding their bike for the first time — I hope my son Justin is watching — running across a field with a Batman cape flapping in the wind.

Mr. Speaker, I want to congratulate the students across the country and the Northwest Territories, and especially the students of Samuel Hearne Secondary School. I am sorry I could not make their graduation ceremonies this weekend as we are busy here in session. As well, I will be watching my son take the walk — I think I said I wouldn’t do this anymore, didn’t I? — take the next step in his life as growing up into a man.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Thebacha , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. While they are not strictly and literally in the gallery, I’d just like to recognize two of the pages, Danielle Soucy and Nicole Labine. I thank them for their services.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

I recognize the two pages from the Sahtu, Miss Emily Collier and Mr. Luc Erb from Norman Wells.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I can’t see whether or not my constituent is still there, but Barb Wyness, a representative with UNW and a constituent of Frame Lake, is in the gallery, I believe. I, too, would like to recognize one of the pages. Harper Sateana-

Barr is working with us this week and doing a fine job.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to represent all of the members of the UNW.

Interjection.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

I don’t represent them all, but I’ve certainly seen them around a lot lately, and I want to thank them for the fine job they are doing, representing their constituents. Thank you.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr.

Speaker, I’d like to

recognize Gayla Wick, a UNW representative and a constituent from Yellowknife South. Also, Mr. Steve Bedingfield, a long-time colleague on the NEBS board.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

I’d also like to recognize a constituent of mine, Roy Courtoreille, in the gallery. He’s the regional vice-president for UNW. If we missed anyone else in the gallery, welcome to the Legislative Assembly. Hope you enjoy the proceedings.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 276-16(2) Infrastructure And Service Comparison Between Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr.

Speaker, all week I drew

comparisons between smaller communities and the larger centres. I understand the smaller communities cannot have high schools with full curriculua like the larger centres, arenas and even indoor swimming pools. However, I’d like to ask the Premier if he has had any Cabinet discussions on closing the gap between larger centres and the smaller communities.

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Question 276-16(2) Infrastructure And Service Comparison Between Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Beaulieu. The

Hon. Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 276-16(2) Infrastructure And Service Comparison Between Communities

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, indeed, we have, when we talked about the services, the vision and goals of the 16th Legislative

Assembly. One of the areas we look at is strategic action supporting small and sustainable remote communities. We’ve had a number of discussions flowing throughout a number of initiatives that we’ve highlighted, whether it’s Reducing the Cost of Living, Building Our Future, Refocusing Government. There are a number of factors in each area that we want to put some energy into and focus on through the life of this Assembly to reduce those gaps the Member has highlighted.

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Question 276-16(2) Infrastructure And Service Comparison Between Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I’d like to ask the Premier : has the Premier initiated any discussions in his Cabinet on the requirement to have a needs assessment to determine the current gap in determining where the small communities are and where they should be?

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Question 276-16(2) Infrastructure And Service Comparison Between Communities

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Mr. Speaker, as we begin the work of the 16th Legislative Assembly to get through

this budget cycle, we’re prepared to move into these areas and look at that work. There has been much work done; for example, the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs, when it comes to their funding formulas; Education, Culture and Employment; Health and Social Services. There are different frameworks out there when it comes to the level of service in communities. We want to bring those to the table, as we’d had the questions in the House by the Member regarding a role with the committees and Members of this Assembly. I think that’s the area we can get into. A number of these approaches we can take through that joint committee.

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, in addition to setting up a joint committee to address these issues, would the Premier put this project or this initiative on the Cabinet agenda so that this does not lose its focus during this Assembly?

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Question 276-16(2) Infrastructure And Service Comparison Between Communities

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

In fact, this morning we were talking in Cabinet about pulling together the information that we can sit down with Members on and come up with a joint process of dealing with these issues. So yes, it will remain on our roles and strategic actions as we work through this Assembly.

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Question 276-16(2) Infrastructure And Service Comparison Between Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Roland. Final

supplementary, Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 276-16(2) Infrastructure And Service Comparison Between Communities

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to seek the Premier ’s opinion. I’d like to ask the Premier if he agrees that the level of service to our citizens is not balanced between small communities and larger centres. Thank you.

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Question 276-16(2) Infrastructure And Service Comparison Between Communities

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

I think it would be fairly straightforward for us, as Members, whether we’re representing small communities or larger centres. When we travel throughout the North, we can clearly see there are differences in our larger centres that have a healthy economic sector versus the small community that could be traditionally based.

There are large gaps; we recognize that. That’s why part of our strategic action is supporting sustainable communities. That is looking at the level of service we provide and the delivery methods. We can also bring to the table the fact that as a government we’ve recognized these when it comes to trying to put more resources into those communities.

Unfortunately, the smaller we go, the harder it is to come up with the right balance when you talk about investment in our communities and the cost per capita. We recognize that, and we’d like to sit down with Members and bring all of the information to the table.

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Question 276-16(2) Infrastructure And Service Comparison Between Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Roland. Oral

questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 277-16(2) GNWT Market Disruption Policy

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, in my Member’s statement today I talked about the way in which the market disruption policy was interpreted when approving applications for business development funding. I’d like to ask the Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment what process his department uses to assess the potential for market disruptions when they’re receiving and reviewing funding applications.

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Question 277-16(2) GNWT Market Disruption Policy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Bob McLeod .

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Question 277-16(2) GNWT Market Disruption Policy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

With regard to the business programs we deliver, market disruption is one of the principles that is at the foundation of all of our programs. So for any applications we receive, we ensure that we do due diligence to ensure there’s no possibility of market disruption.

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Question 277-16(2) GNWT Market Disruption Policy

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

I think the Minister is aware of the situation I brought to his attention, where one business is producing something in a community and getting business development funds to bring that product into Hay River to compete directly and head-on with existing businesses in Hay River. Now, this may be a bit of an anomaly, but it has happened. What could the Minister tell me to assure me that that type of thing would not be accepted — that it would be part of the application for the applicant to tell where they’re planning to market their product?

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Question 277-16(2) GNWT Market Disruption Policy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

As we develop programs — and programs have been in place for some time — we evolve with regard to our policies.

Under the current policy the example the Member outlined is perfectly within our policy, whereby there’s no market disruption because it’s limited to the community where the assistance has been requested and provided. I’d like to advise the Member that we are changing our policies. We are introducing our new SEED program — Support to Entrepreneurs and Economic Development — which will be rolling out sometime this month.

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Question 277-16(2) GNWT Market Disruption Policy

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, since we’re on the verge of a new SEED fund and setting up

policies to go with that, would the Minister commit to undertake to ensure that if someone is applying for that funding to operate a business, which they then plan to operate on a regional basis, you would ensure that regional activity would not be impacting on existing businesses competing with them, causing market disruption?

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Question 277-16(2) GNWT Market Disruption Policy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I guess we don’t want to be presumptuous; we want to make sure we follow all of our consultation requirements and provide early notification and so on. I think that probably within a month or so our new program will be out, which much more clearly identifies and defines market disruption to address exactly the situation the Member raised.

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Question 277-16(2) GNWT Market Disruption Policy

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. Final

supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 277-16(2) GNWT Market Disruption Policy

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

I’ll be happy to inform my constituents that they may be able to have some input into that consultation that will set those policies in place.

Mr.

Speaker, under the current Business

Development Fund process and in the upcoming SEED program, will it be possible for businesses to apply on a consecutive-years basis for those business development funds? Would it be possible for a business, for example, to apply every year and get those funds, or will there be something in the policy that will preclude that from happening?

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Question 277-16(2) GNWT Market Disruption Policy

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

This is an area we’ve been trying to address for some time. We haven’t been able to work it out, principally because for contribution funding, we have to come to the Legislative Assembly every year for our budgets to be approved. I guess until such time as we find a way to deal with that, only at that time will we be able to address the Member’s question. It’s certainly an area we would want to try to achieve.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

McLeod. Oral

questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Krutko .

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Question 278-16(2) Access Road Connecting Aklavik To The Dempster Highway

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier , and it comes down to a question of fairness. Over the years, as long as I’ve been here and as long as the Premier ’s been here, I’ve been asking questions about developing road connections from Aklavik to the Dempster Highway, and also trying to find ways we can do that. I was always told that the only way you’d be able to do that is to be part of the Highway Strategy in the Northwest Territories. In order to make that grid, you have to be part of the strategy.

Yet I seem to see a lot of initiatives that aren’t even in the strategy, and also new initiatives that are coming this way. I find there are projects in place where communities have roads being built into their communities — communities which are not part of the NWT Highway Strategy.

I’d like to ask the Minister if this government is being fair when projects that are not part of the NWT strategy are being put into place without developing around the strategy this government has in place and which is fair to everyone.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Hon. Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 278-16(2) Access Road Connecting Aklavik To The Dempster Highway

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

As the Member has highlighted, the fact is that we do work around our Capital Acquisition Plan, the strategies that are in place. There have been quite a number of them laid out. From time to time we do update them, or the focus becomes around communities instead of territory-wide initiatives.

We will work with communities as we have in the past. Some communities, for example, have gone out and done their own studies or cost-benefit analyses and even some design work, and then we sit down and have those sorts of discussions.

We’re prepared to sit down with communities and do some work together, whether it’s cost sharing or looking at some of these new initiatives that may come forward, and at that point — once we have that type of information — look at how we can put it into our Capital Acquisition Plan.

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Question 278-16(2) Access Road Connecting Aklavik To The Dempster Highway

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

The point I’m trying to make is that we have all these different programs. In the case of my community I was told the only program out there is the community access road project, which is about $50,000 a year and capped at $450,000. You can’t really do much with that, yet you see communities where you’re building roads in excess of $4 million or $5 million that are basically being paid by this government. I’m being told that in order to get your project, you have to come up with half the money.

I’m just wondering where the consistency in this government is with regard to fairness for communities. You have roads being built into communities at no cost to the communities but are being told that if you want the road, you have to come up with half. Where’s the fairness in that?

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Question 278-16(2) Access Road Connecting Aklavik To The Dempster Highway

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

There are a number of different initiatives, whether within our own government or agreements we end up signing or that flow through with the federal government. For example, the Building Canada Fund has a cost-sharing process that we have to match, or the project has to match, going forward.

We have some initiatives within our own policies of cost-sharing arrangements with communities. It

depends on which project it actually aligns with — whether it’s the Building Canada Fund or our own Capital Acquisition Plan. There is no hard and fast line, for example, to say every project has to have a 50/50 share. I’ve spoken with the Minister of Transportation to come up with a cost-sharing arrangement with, for example, the community of Aklavik on a study they can do to come up with the actual financial analysis that’s needed to move this to the next stage.

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Question 278-16(2) Access Road Connecting Aklavik To The Dempster Highway

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Again, the point I’m trying to make is that there are projects in place right now in the capital budget where they’re going into communities. You’re building roads into communities, and basically, the government is paying 100 per cent of the cost. I’d just like to know exactly why it is that communities are being treated differently where now, in order to get a road built, you have to come up with half the funds, but in the capital budget right now before this House we are paying to build roads into communities.

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Question 278-16(2) Access Road Connecting Aklavik To The Dempster Highway

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

In the tight financial frame we’re in, one of the processes that allows us to move projects ahead would be if there’s a cost-sharing arrangement. The only project where we talk about a 50/50 arrangement is, in fact, one that was discussed in this House, which is the Yellowknife bypass road. We’re looking for cost-sharing arrangements, and in fact, there’s been that discussion with the gravel-source 177 discussions with the community of Tuktoyaktuk. This one here, as the Member has highlighted a number of times, has been raised politically a number of times, but there hasn’t been that cost-benefit process.

We’re prepared to sit down and share with the community on putting that one in place so we can move it to the next stage so then it can come into the plan.

We also have to recognize that the Building Canada Fund, for example, that’s triggered a number of these projects…. We’re waiting for the final agreement to be signed with the federal government. They’re having a say as to what actually goes or doesn’t go as part of that package.

It is a seven-year process. We’ll have an opportunity to continue to work with that process as we proceed.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Roland. Final

supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 278-16(2) Access Road Connecting Aklavik To The Dempster Highway

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The road from Aklavik to the Dempster Highway…. There’s a motion passed by the Beaufort-Delta leaders going back to 1991. I believe I’ve moved motions in this House and have supported motions on the floor in regard to this. This item has been on the radar for quite a few years, yet I don’t know if we’ll ever see the light of day under the process we’re using where the rules change every time you try to do

something. One group gets it free and the other group has rules attached to getting something.

I’d just like to ask the Premier exactly what we are doing to connect communities, which is a priority of this 16th Assembly, to improve access to our

communities.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Again, for clarity, the fact is that some of these communities that have pursued initiatives have spent their own money on coming up with their plans and cost-benefit analyses and so on. We realize that in other communities, they don’t have that flexibility, so we’re ready through the Department of Transportation to look at an arrangement where we can help get to the next stage.

The fact is that when we talk about connecting to our actual highway system from communities, we know from our estimates, and we’ve been using these for quite some time…. It’s an estimate that at least starts the basis of our discussions — for example, on the Mackenzie Valley Highway. We’re looking at a highway-level road at about $1 million per kilometre. That has a huge impact as to what we can actually proceed with. But we’re prepared to work with communities and some arrangement…. We’re cost sharing on some of the initial studies so we can advance to the next level. We’re prepared to do that with the community of Aklavik as well.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 279-16(2) Elimination Of Plastic Shopping Bags

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe in practical approaches to everyday problems. I believe we have a solution before us about this plastic bag problem, which is to use cloth bags or recyclable bags. In my household I try to lead by example. I have a six-year-old who often reminds me about stuff like that, because it’s the young kids who know all about this problem. They seem to be teaching us older folks.

We need some leadership from the Department of ENR on this issue. I’d certainly like to know and get some details as to where this government is on working toward eliminating, in a gradual sense, the use of plastic bags.

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Question 279-16(2) Elimination Of Plastic Shopping Bags

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 279-16(2) Elimination Of Plastic Shopping Bags

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d just like to point out that I think ENR has provided fairly significant leadership. If you think back a couple of years, when we first rolled out the recycling program, it was with

considerable consternation, because the plan wasn’t complete enough. We forged ahead anyway, and now we have a very successful program. We continue to work on that program. We’ve been doing consultations, and we plan to come forward here in the next number of weeks with a plan that will look at some fairly significant improvements to the waste reduction and recycling program. On our list are going to be things like plastic bags.

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Question 279-16(2) Elimination Of Plastic Shopping Bags

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr.

Speaker, I appreciate the

Minister taking the time out of the day to give himself a pat on the back. I mean, my issue really is what are we doing with plastic bags — not to make the Minister feel better about himself.

Mr. Speaker, what support programs are we going to provide for our citizens and our businesses to make this happen? You can hardly go to a store without them having a special little rack of recyclable bags. So what support programs and ideas is the Minister bringing forward to this problem?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I was just trying to acknowledge and point out the fact that in reality, ENR has been fairly progressive in terms of how we move on this type of issue, and we’re going to continue to be.

We’re going to come forward with a plan in the next number of weeks. We’re going to work with the committee. We’re going to lay out a fairly, I believe, ambitious plan that’s going to allow us to address things like plastic bags and expand on beverage containers. We’re going to look at cardboard. We want to look at electronic waste. We have the unresolved issue of tires.

I agree with the Member. I’ve been across every community in the Northwest Territories, and plastic bags are a blight on the landscape, literally. There’s no place that you walk in or around communities, from the 60th parallel, where I live in Fort Smith, or Ulukhaktok and any place in between…. If you look at the dumps, in the bush — no matter where you go — there are plastic bags. I agree that they’re a blight on the landscape. It’s time for us to take action on that.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Well, you know, it’s funny. When the Department of Environment and Natural Resources, or government as a whole, says, “We’ll take action,” it could mean years. But when citizens like my constituents Adrian Bell or Paul Falvo, or I should mention Diavik, which will be now known as Rio Tinto…. I mean, when they decided to help clean up the streets, they could make a decision in that day and then run out there and start cleaning up the streets on these types of problems.

Mr. Speaker, what’s taking this problem so long? When can we see some real action on this?

Because it’s not a difficult problem, to move forward on this initiative.

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Question 279-16(2) Elimination Of Plastic Shopping Bags

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, we have about 1,200 days left, so we’re not talking years here. We’re going to be moving fairly quickly. When we do, I look forward to the Member’s support to push this forward and help us deal with all the potential obstacles.

While the Member may think it’s relatively simple, it does take time. If we stood up today and said we’re going to get rid of plastic bags, we have to plan how you’re going to do that, how much lead time, and make sure you have it laid out very clearly. You want to make sure we consult with committee and do this right. We want to do this so that it will succeed, not just give a knee-jerk response and a poor plan.

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Question 279-16(2) Elimination Of Plastic Shopping Bags

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

As the Minister says, when government moves…. Well, I’d better make sure I don’t miss it, because I’ll tell you, it takes a long time waiting for it.

Mr. Speaker, when can we expect this initiative? The Minister says, “Well, we have 1,200 days, yada yada yada.” This is a simple process. We could move on this initiative sooner than later. You know, the people expect some type of leadership. All I’m hearing is, “Let’s find ways to talk longer; let’s find ways to plan longer.” The problem is out there. The solution is out there. If the Minister wanted to do something, he could.

Mr. Speaker, in short, can the Minister guarantee that we’re going to move on this initiative in some direction, in some step, before Christmas this year?

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Question 279-16(2) Elimination Of Plastic Shopping Bags

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, now, for the third time in this set of questions, I will say that in the coming weeks we are coming forward with a plan that will lay out how we intend to move on this particular issue.

If I stood up and just unilaterally and arbitrarily announced we were going to do certain things, the first question I would be asked is, “Why didn’t you consult us? And why did we have to stand up…? Why are we hearing about this in this Legislature and not through the committee process?”

I am very respectful — we are very respectful — of that process. We want to continue to be. We will be coming to committee. It is going to be an ambitious plan. It’s going to address the issues this Member raises, and not just the little narrow issue of plastic bags but the broader scope. I hope that the Member will in fact think outside the box and work with us to make this a reality.

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Question 279-16(2) Elimination Of Plastic Shopping Bags

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Oral questions. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 280-16(2) Government-Wide Reduction Of Paper Documents

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to ask some questions to the Minister of Finance in reference to my Member’s statement.

He should have received the e-mail that I referenced in my statement. I’d like to thank the sender of the e-mail for taking the time and the initiative to act and to forward a suggestion to us. I hope that the Minister has read the e-mail. I’d like to ask whether or not he agrees with the sentiments expressed in that e-mail — that we are wasting money, that this is a cost-saving opportunity, and if he is intending to act on this particular suggestion.

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Question 280-16(2) Government-Wide Reduction Of Paper Documents

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms.

Bisaro. The

honourable Minister of Finance , Mr. Roland .

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Question 280-16(2) Government-Wide Reduction Of Paper Documents

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Minister of Finance

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did receive the e-mail. We’ve had a look at it. In fact, I do believe it is something that we have to put some attention to as we go forward — whether it’s limited copies where we go, or if it is just sending out the disk, as we see that become more and more used. Wherever we attend, there always seems to be a backup along with the document. Maybe we can get to that point where we just do a

summary and then have the full package on a disk. So that is something that…. We will go down that path and start to make it happen as the Government of the Northwest Territories.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I appreciate the Minister’s answer. I would hope we could get to a point where we’re not using paper at all. I don’t see any need for it. Maybe a few copies, as the Minister said, but I think we need to totally limit what we’re putting out there.

I’d like to know from the Minister when we might expect to see some sort of plan, suggestions or ideas that might be coming forward in relation to this problem.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Minister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, the process we’ve been involved with takes a lot of time with departments, Cabinet and Members. Once we’re through this budget process, we’ll be sitting down and putting energy to a lot of the initiatives we’ve talked about. This area will be one of those. In fact, I think we can send out a directive. The staff are getting and listening to this message that, as we prepare for the next level of reports, we have to see how we can barrel back some of those initiatives. We also have to recognize that not all communities are fully up to speed with the e-mail system and the technology, so we’ve got to work on improving that

piece as well. But where it fits, we will be going down that path.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I’d like to tell the Minister that I

certainly understand that not all of our

communities have the opportunities and access to technology that some of the larger centres do, but I feel very strongly that we have the technology and we should be using it. I’m glad that the Minister suggests that staff can act on their own by hearing this particular discussion.

This isn’t a question. Well, maybe it is a question. I’d like to ask the Minister how, for the second day in a row, a Cabinet Minister was able to anticipate my next question. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Minister of Finance

Mr. Speaker, all I can say is that we have been sensitized by working with committee members and trying to do the best job we can. Hopefully, we can continue down that path and be as prepared as we are and responsive. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Roland. The

honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 281-16(2) Compulsory Requirements To Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to request a response to my question from the Minister, who must know what I’m going to ask. Thank you very much.

Laughter.

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Question 281-16(2) Compulsory Requirements To Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I don’t actually know whether this is the Minister of ENR or ITI, but as I mentioned during my statement, there is zero requirement for development projects, large industry, to provide even 1 per cent of their energy requirements from renewable energy or to offset, and no compulsory requirement to gradually wrap that up to increasing amounts to address the climate change issue. Is the appropriate Minister working on getting that legislation in place?

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Question 281-16(2) Compulsory Requirements To Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . I’ll put the question to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 281-16(2) Compulsory Requirements To Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is one of the issues on the list that we have to come to grips with. The federal government has come out with their own suggested plan. Now they’re indicating they’re prepared to look at alternative suggestions. It’s a discussion, as a government, that we have to have. Some of our existing policies, like the Greenhouse Gas Strategy, are mainly focused on how government does business, how we’re going to control our own

emissions. But as we look at development, existing and to come, it is an issue that we’re going to, as a government, have to put our minds around in a policy sense.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you to the Minister for that response. Our people are demanding that this government respond to the situation and not slough this off to the federal government. We’re also not talking policy; we’re talking about compulsory measures, which requires legislation. The MGP will triple our emissions. The diamond mines almost doubled them. How is the Minister planning to mitigate these impacts, which are on the backs of our people, as they walk away with their large profits?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to point out that we are moving to occupy a field where some would question the issue of jurisdiction. I’m speaking specifically about the area of water. We’re moving forward — in a very proactive way, I think. We have a framework that we’re going to be taking to committee here. The Premier ’s mentioned that. We have a broad land-use framework that we’re working on, and we intend to work with committee. We have a joint climate change committee that’s going to give us advice on how to move forward on this.

This is an issue that has work required to be done. We don’t have clear answers, but clearly, we recognize that there is an increase. There’s the JRP report that we’re waiting to come out with, in terms of the Mackenzie gas pipeline, and as we move forward with further developments, this issue is going to be becoming clearer and clearer. We have to sort out, as a government and as a Legislature, what’s the most appropriate step. I know the Member has very clear ideas. As the Member would respect and acknowledge, there is a wide range of opinions as well. We have to try to bring those together into one solid policy.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

The residents and communities are actually doing quite a bit on this sort of thing, but we’re looking for some response to industry. The non-government organizations have shouldered the costs in the joint review process of the Mackenzie Gas Project. They are the ones who hired the economists to look at what the carbon-neutral approach would cost. And it’s quite modest, in the order of less than a 10 per cent increase in costs — 5 to 7 per cent. When is this government going to start playing that role and, instead of being open for business and subsidizing this industry, get some answers on what it would cost to make it responsible for development that benefits the local people?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, even Imperial Oil, from what I’ve been reading, is getting

enormous pressure from its major shareholders to be more environmentally responsible. We recognize and we have to make sure that business does not get by on the backs of Northerners, that they acknowledge the impact of what they’re doing in terms of development. While it may not be a perfect system, we are moving more and more down that path to not only a recognition, but as I

indicated to the Member, we’re going to be

developing the policies with the help and guidance of the MLAs and the climate change committee, for example, of how best to do this.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr.

Speaker. The

Minister acknowledged Imperial, which, of course, is part of the largest profit-making machine in the world. Northerners are paying the cost once again. Our foundations are disintegrating. We’re losing our species. The polar bears are having problems in some areas, and there are much more dire predictions and so on. Will this Minister commit to looking at and aggressively pursuing some compulsory requirements for reduction of greenhouse gas emissions by large industry?

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Question 281-16(2) Compulsory Requirements To Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I would be happy to commit to the Member that I will come forward, along with our Cabinet colleagues, with a paper that outlines those policy implications and the jurisdictional issues and lays out the landscape as we plan to move forward collectively here at the Legislature, and how can we best do that to address the issue that Mr. Bromley has raised.

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Question 281-16(2) Compulsory Requirements To Reduce Greenhouse Gas Emissions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The honourable

Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 282-16(2) Financial Support For Volunteer NWT

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are in follow-up to my Member's statement on the end of operations of Volunteer NWT.

Given that the voluntary sector is a key player in helping us develop and maintain healthy communities, I was sad to hear that Volunteer NWT, which is a champion for the sector, is shutting down operations due to limited and/or no funding from the GNWT. In the past the GNWT has supported them and has provided some funding. Now it appears that they've cut them completely off.

My question is to the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs . I'm curious, specifically, given the strategic plan of this Legislative Assembly, how is it that MACA has decided that the sector no longer warrants some financial support, given that they are our partners in

helping us develop some financing framework in the sector?

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Question 282-16(2) Financial Support For Volunteer NWT

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Abernethy. The

honourable Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 282-16(2) Financial Support For Volunteer NWT

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think, first of all, we should be clear on who has cut funding to Volunteer NWT. We never did provide any core funding to Volunteer NWT. We had an arrangement with the federal government and Volunteer NWT to be partners on a number of initiatives. The core funding came through the federal government’s funding sources. A couple of years ago that funding lapsed and was not going to be renewed. Our investment in Volunteer NWT was on specific small initiatives.

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Question 282-16(2) Financial Support For Volunteer NWT

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Where that is actually true, in the past, is the feds had provided money. The feds, in their wisdom, had actually cut the money last year, and the GNWT stood up and helped support the voluntary sector through the Volunteer NWT. Regardless of whether the feds are doing it or not, they play an incredibly important role in the Northwest Territories, which has clearly been acknowledged through our strategic plan.

I'd like to ask the Minister to commit to meeting with Volunteer NWT and working out some form of financial arrangement that will help them sustain their existence and continue to do the good work that they do on behalf of the people in the Northwest Territories.

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Question 282-16(2) Financial Support For Volunteer NWT

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

We have been meeting with Volunteer NWT as recently as last week, or several weeks ago at least. The dollars that were provided to Volunteer NWT was $50,000. That money was to be used to explore new and other sources of revenue for that organization, as we indicated to them that we were not in a position to core fund them or pick up where the federal government cut the funding. So those dollars were provided to them. I don't believe we have seen a report of what they have found. Our information tells us that Volunteer has decided to wind up their organization as they haven't been able to identify any new sources.

From the government's standpoint we still think that there is a lot of merit in having an organization or a good support system in place, and we want to continue moving towards that. The Premier has mentioned that there should be a review or more investment or discussion in this area. We'd like to do that. First of all, we have to get our house in order. We are also expecting to have further discussions with the Building Our Future Committee to see where we can play a role in supporting Volunteer NWT and the volunteer sector.

However, having said that, we still have our own initiatives that we'll continue to fund. We have dollars in our budget, providing it gets approved, to do our own initiatives that support volunteers.

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Question 282-16(2) Financial Support For Volunteer NWT

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I'm quite happy to hear that the department is willing to work with the sector. I think that's great. It's great that they understand the value and hope to work with, but on the other side, they turn around and say, “But we're not giving you any money.”

The sector actually has gone out and has found some money. I indicated it in my Member's statement. They also have a great relationship with Sport North, which helps them with some infrastructure and whatnot. So they still do require some operating funds from time to time.

As an example, the board consists of members from all over the Northwest Territories who are coming together to put together a common message and a common theme on the voluntary sector, which includes those pure-volunteer organizations as well as NGOs, and trying to work with the government to find a solid finance framework that will ensure health of the sector as a whole. So as champions, they are incredibly important, and I think we're missing the point.

I would once again like to encourage the Minister to dig in and to see if there's any opportunity to find some additional funds. They're not asking for a lot of money at this point in time but some money to help with their basic operation.

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Question 282-16(2) Financial Support For Volunteer NWT

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

As indicated, we still have a considerable amount of time to deal with a number of issues that are not, maybe, at the top of our list, as some Members would like to see.

The volunteer sector and Volunteer NWT, I think, are two separate issues at this point. We are still investing in the volunteer sector. We don't have any money to provide core funding to Volunteer NWT. We would like to take a step back and start looking at this issue and look at all the issues of interest to the volunteer sector and make sure that each department across the government is involved and that we provide appropriate leadership. We would like to be able to work with the Building Our Future Committee and look at ways we can identify resources and start funding some of these priorities in the volunteer area.

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Question 282-16(2) Financial Support For Volunteer NWT

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 282-16(2) Financial Support For Volunteer NWT

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Once again that all sounds great. Unfortunately, it also sounds like you're going to be doing to the voluntary sector what you're occasionally doing to us, which is telling them what you're going to do, rather than working with them.

Volunteer NWT is a central organization, a champion for all these groups, and would be a great group to engage and involve in conversation to help set a direction that's going to be acceptable to all the groups that are out there.

If you're not going to give them money, will you at least meet with Volunteer NWT and find some way to engage the actual individuals who are the champions for the sector as a whole? I think it's not the right answer, but at least we could find some way to engage them. If there's no money, we have no choice, but will you engage the individuals involved?

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Question 282-16(2) Financial Support For Volunteer NWT

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

That's something that we have been doing on a fairly regular basis in the last while, trying to find ways to support Volunteer NWT. We have been meeting with their executive.

Our information is that they have since dissolved their organization. To bring in the board and representatives from across the Northwest Territories is going to be a very extensive undertaking. At this point we don't have the resources to do that. We'd like to bring people from across the North to talk about volunteerism and to see how we can improve our system and support. However, until we identify the resources and come up with a plan, we are not going to be able to do that.

We will commit to seeing if there's any desire from…. I'm not sure there's an organization to meet with anymore, but we can commit to contacting at least the former members.

Mr. Speaker, we did not kill the organization. We never had any support dollars for core funding. That was the responsibility of the federal government.

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Question 282-16(2) Financial Support For Volunteer NWT

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 283-16(2) Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to follow up on my Member's statement. Again, I want to question the Minister of Justice today, in this House, regarding the delivery and provision of sex offender programming and family violence programming at North Slave Correctional Centre.

The more I think about this and the more digging around that I'm able to do, it raises a number of concerns for me. I've asked the Minister this question before, about how the qualifications and the delivery of programming at North Slave Correctional Centre could potentially impact the federal inmates that are housed at that centre. Now, the answer I got back from the Minister was

that it wouldn’t impact it. But that’s not what I’m hearing today, Mr. Speaker.

I want to ask the Minister of Justice : will the change in personnel and the changes that he’s looking at implementing there impact our ability to house federal inmates at North Slave Correctional Facility?

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Question 283-16(2) Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr.

Ramsay. The

honourable Minister responsible for Justice , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 283-16(2) Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

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Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The North Slave Correctional Facility offers, through Corrections Canada services, an ex-offender relapse program, a family violence program, the national substance abuse program and also the anger emotion program, which the program delivery officers provided for a number of years. We certainly will continue with the program. There’s no such impact to the program itself. We will continue to deliver a program, so there is no impact. Mahsi.

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Question 283-16(2) Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

But again, I am having trouble understanding the rationale the Minister uses. I want to ask him: what standards and policies does Corrections in the Department of Justice have when it comes to programming? Do those policies and standards mirror the federal government’s Correctional Service of Canada?

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Question 283-16(2) Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

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Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, we do follow the Corrections Canada services guidelines and criteria when it comes to program delivery. The three individuals we are talking about — the program delivery officer and two case managers and also the psychologists that deliver this program — were mentored and trained to deliver the offender program and accredited by the Correctional Service of Canada. So it is certified through the Correctional Service of Canada to deliver the program. It is a highly recognized program and a highly recognized accreditation that these individuals receive. Mahsi.

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Question 283-16(2) Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I am having trouble understanding how…. I don’t see anywhere in what I’ve read — the information that I’ve read from the Correctional Service of Canada — where they say it’s okay to train somebody for a week or ten days and send them into a classroom in group therapy so they can train or program sex offenders so they can be rehabilitated and go back into the community. I am not sure where it says that anywhere.

I want to ask the Minister: does he understand that having a “train the trainer” that he talked about the other day and backfilling positions…? We are talking about rehabilitating sex offenders. I am not sure how the Minister can say that it is okay to train

somebody for a week or ten days and send inmates back into our communities. It doesn’t make any sense to me, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 283-16(2) Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

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Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, I think it’s important that we recognize the program delivery criteria. It came down from the federal government, federal Corrections. What more can we offer? It is accredited for these individuals to deliver a program — the four key areas for rehabilitation — into the community. So we have trained these individuals for, as the Member states, a couple of weeks, a few weeks. We train these individuals, and they are trained. They are certified by the Correctional Service of Canada because it is their program, as well, so we are meeting the standards of their criteria at North Slave Correctional Facility. Mahsi.

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Question 283-16(2) Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 283-16(2) Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess I am going to be interested in seeing what happens here and how long the program at North Slave Correctional Facility continues to be, as the Minister said, certified by the federal government. I think that’s going to change with some of the job cuts out there and the re-profiling of positions. I think that’s going to change.

I want to ask the Minister: can he tell us today what qualifications program-delivery officers or whoever is going to be conducting the programming…? What qualifications do they have — clinical, academic and professional expertise — to deliver those programs, Mr. Speaker?

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Question 283-16(2) Rehabilitation Programming At North Slave Correctional Centre

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Jackson Lafferty

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, I can’t speak specifically to the position. It is a confidential matter. If we do highlight their credentials and qualifications, we are specifically targeting those individuals, and I certainly cannot speak to that. But I can speak to the criteria that we follow: again, it’s the Correctional Service of Canada. My staff will be meeting with Corrections next week.

Just to move forward on this, we want to train more individuals at Corrections as well. We want the program to be successful. It has been very successful to date. We want to continue the progress. So we are moving in the right direction. We do have trained people, certified and accredited by the Correctional Service of Canada.

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