Budget, Oral Questions, Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, Elections Act — 10 April 1995 (12th Assembly, 7th Session, pp. 913–942)
1995-04-10, 12th Assembly 7th Session, pp. 913–942
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of April 10th, 1995
This is page numbers 913 - 942 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was chairman .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Minister Absent From The House
Rent Scale Implementation
National Wildlife Week
Partnerships In Education
Tour Of Development Projects By Dogrib Treaty 11 Council
Springtime Safety Concerns
St. John Ambulance Volunteers
Pentecostal Sub-arctic Leadership Training College, Fort Smith
Rcmp Staffing In Fort Liard
Turnover Of Panarctic's Assets To Communities
Support To Newfoundland Government For Use Of Seals
Proposal Call For Orthodontic Services In Iqaluit Region
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Support For Maritime Fishing And Sealing Industries
Subsidized Housing For Pentecostal Sub-arctic Leadership Training College
Provision Of Interpreters At Resolute Bay Healing Workshop
Status Of Tourism Zone Association Review
Information On Payroll Tax For New Businesses
Status Of Agricultural Policy
Status Of Updating NWT Minerals Regime
Comparisons Of Royalty Regimes In Other Jurisdictions
Consultation With Legal Profession Re Cuts To Legal Interpreter Services
Evaluation Of Liquor Inspection Program
Revised Business Incentive Policy
Discussions Re Overlap And Duplication Of Programs
Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Bill 32:
An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Bill 22: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 1994-95
Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96Committee Report 4-12(7): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Main Estimates
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Bill 15:
An Act To Amend The Elections Act
Bill 19:
An Act To Amend The Elections Act, No. 2
Bill 20: Loan Authorization Act, 1995-96
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 913
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The chair doesn't recognize a quorum. In accordance with Rule 73, Mr. Clerk, would you record the names of the Members present. The chair recognizes two additional Members in the Chamber now. Thank you.
Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Pollard .
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Minister's Statement 61-12(7): Minister Absent From The House
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 913
John Pollard
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Nellie Cournoyea will be absent from the House today to attend a meeting of provincial and territorial Ministers of Health in Vancouver, British Columbia. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 61-12(7): Minister Absent From The House
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 913
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .
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Minister's Statement 62-12(7): Rent Scale Implementation
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 913
Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the past couple of months, the local housing organizations have been working extremely hard to see that each tenant has been counselled on the new social housing rent scale. I am pleased to announce that except for a few tenants who could not be reached, the households in every community have gone through the initial counselling process. The unfortunate exception is Cape Dorset where illness prevented the community staff from completing the initial counselling of the tenants.
In addition, where tenants have been away from their communities, a one-month grace period for their counselling and rent adjustment has been added. I thank the Members for their advice and suggestions during this implementation.
The local housing organizations will be providing the tenants with more in-depth counselling. They will continue to help tenants to adapt to the new rent scale. The Housing Corporation will continue to provide help to local housing organizations.
Again, I applaud the work the local housing organizations have accomplished. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 62-12(7): Rent Scale Implementation
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 913
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Arngna'naaq .
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Minister's Statement 63-12(7): National Wildlife Week
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 913
Silas Arngna'naaq
Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Wildlife and the environment play an important role in the daily lives of northern residents. Every spring, during the second week of April, our children join other children across Canada, to celebrate National Wildlife Week. National Wildlife Week was created to raise awareness among Canadians about wildlife and wildlife conservation. Each year, a different theme is chosen for National Wildlife Week. This year's theme, "Wildlife...Yours To Recover," reminds us that everyone should make an effort to support wildlife and habitats that are at risk.
For the past 14 years, students across the Northwest Territories have celebrated National Wildlife Week by participating in a poster contest sponsored by the Department of Renewable Resources. Each year, we received 1,500 to 2,000 posters showing how our children interpret the theme for National Wildlife Week. Winning posters are chosen, and for the past few years, a calendar has been produced showing the winning posters. The winning posters are also sent to a national competition, where we have always had posters that receive national recognition. I am making available to all Members copies of our 1995-96 calendars.
It is encouraging and exciting to witness the enthusiasm our youth show towards wildlife and the environment. This year, National Wildlife Week takes place from April 9th -- starting yesterday -- to the 15th, but here in the Northwest Territories, we celebrate the value of wildlife not for just one week, but every week of the year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Minister's Statement 63-12(7): National Wildlife Week
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 913
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Nerysoo .
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Minister's Statement 64-12(7): Partnerships In Education
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 913
Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, governments across Canada are facing the challenge of providing adequate levels of service in the face of declining revenues. In order to provide appropriate levels of service while living within our means, territorial and provincial Ministers responsible for education are developing new partnerships and finding new ways to share resources and expertise in areas of common concern. I would like to inform you of some of the initiatives in which the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and I are involved.
The Council of Ministers of Education, Canada, is working to improve the transfer of credits among universities and colleges for the first two years of undergraduate studies. Right now, the colleges in the Northwest Territories have course transfer arrangements with specific universities in southern Canada.
By improving the transfer of credits among all universities, NWT students will be able to complete their degrees at universities of their choice, rather than only at those institutions with which the colleges have special arrangements. The Council of Ministers would like to see the new arrangements in place by September 1, 1995, and they must be implemented no later than September 1st of the following year.
This means that increased access to colleges, the assistance we provide to post-secondary students, and our plans to change social assistance from passive to active, will have to occur within a framework of shrinking financial resources.
To meet this challenge, Education, Culture and Employment will review the student financial assistance program in the new fiscal year to increase its access for adult learners and to bring its annual 10 per cent expenditure growth within financially sustainable levels. I expect the department to bring recommendations for this overhaul to the Legislative Assembly at the same time as the 1996-97 budget, with changes implemented in September 1997. The territorial government will also need to review its funding levels to the colleges.
We have reached the point where we must reduce spending and increase our efficiency and effectiveness in order to live within our means, just as every other jurisdiction in Canada has had to do.
Mr. Speaker, I am extremely pleased to advise this House that the Consortium of Western Ministers Responsible for Education is making considerable progress on a joint initiative to develop common curricula. Within the year, and possibly as early as this September, we expect to reach agreement on a common curriculum for mathematics for kindergarten to grade 8 and work is proceeding on the curriculum for grades 9 to 12.
Plans continue for the school achievement indicators program testing in science this spring, and for the first national report on education to be released this fall.
These are some of the initiatives I am pursuing with my colleagues at the national level. They are designed to improve the achievement and outcomes of our systems, as well as overall efficiency, effectiveness and excellence.
Mr. Speaker, a good deal of hard work will be needed to achieve these goals. We will also need the commitment of legislatures across this country to invest in our most important resources -- our students and our constituents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Minister's Statement 64-12(7): Partnerships In Education
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Zoe .
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Tour Of Development Projects By Dogrib Treaty 11 Council
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 914
Henry Zoe
North Slave
This past weekend, however, we were again presented with the opportunity to make the trip and visit these two sites. I was very impressed with the progress that has been made on both of these development initiatives, Mr. Speaker, and I was particularly encouraged by the Snare Cascades project. I was able to talk to several of my constituents who were employed at the site, and it was evident that the economic benefits of both of these projects are being realized in a variety of ways. It is important to remember, Mr. Speaker, responsible economic development is dependent on continuing goodwill and partnership between industry, government and the people of the north.
Projects such as these, if they are approached in a cooperative manner and take into account all of the environmental, social and economic impacts, will provide for a better future for all northern residents. Efforts to develop our resources responsibly will empower our people and give us the ability to shape our own destiny in the very near future.
On behalf of my constituents and the representatives who travelled with me from the Dogrib Treaty 11 Council, I would like to thank the Premier and both the president and chairman of the Power Corporation for their invitation. We appreciate being able to participate in such an interesting and informative tour. I would also like to acknowledge the generous hospitality of our hosts, which serves to illustrate the cooperative nature of these developments.
Mr. Speaker, we must continue to forge rewarding partnership between government, business, industry and aboriginal people if we are to continue on the road to environmental, social and economic health and prosperity. Mahsi.
---Applause
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Tour Of Development Projects By Dogrib Treaty 11 Council
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Zoe . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .
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Springtime Safety Concerns
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 914
Brian Lewis
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the past, I have risen in this House during certain seasons of the year to remind Members that now that summer has come back and young children, who have been indoors for much of the winter, are now out on the streets playing with their bikes. Many of them
have been deprived of all kinds of wonderful outdoor activities throughout the winter. I have noticed, over the last several days, that many young children are out on their bicycles and many of them have forgotten what it felt like since last summer when they had to be aware of traffic, dangers and so on. So I would like to remind Members that as leaders in our community we have to be extra vigilant because all these young children out on the streets again on their bikes are sometimes not as aware as adults are of the dangers that are close to them. Perhaps the press will also play their
part in making sure that the public is made aware that we are in a new season and there are all kinds of dangers out there and if we're not vigilant, then we could have young children involved in accidents which perhaps could be avoided. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Springtime Safety Concerns
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Lewis . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .
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St. John Ambulance Volunteers
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 915
Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to say a few words in recognition of the valuable asset the staff and the volunteers of the St. John Ambulance here in Yellowknife provide in our city's daily lives and special events and Mr. Irwin, the director. The St. John volunteers are always available for major events such as parades and special gatherings. They're out during the Caribou Carnival; the July 1st parade, when the heat of the day can cause some problems; as well, the November 11th parade when the opposite is the case, when the cold can be a problem.
But in addition to assisting at events of this nature, they also teach programs in First Aid; everything from resuscitation to dealing with minor cuts, bruises, scrapes, allergies, to setting of bones if they are at the scene of an accident or something like that, or home events. Over the years that St. John Ambulance has been here in the north, they've played an important role in teaching countless people in the area of First Aid, which, of course, as we all know at some point in time, we hope we don't need it, but if we do it's there.
I just wanted to acknowledge the good work that the St. John people do for the community of Yellowknife and the territories in general. Thank you.
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St. John Ambulance Volunteers
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Pentecostal Sub-arctic Leadership Training College, Fort Smith
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 915
Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you. Mr. Speaker, not only does Fort Smith have Thebacha college, but it also the home of the Pentecostal Sub-Arctic Leadership Training College.
I want, at this time, to congratulate the first five graduates who graduated from the new college building, which is a two-year program. My sincere congratulations are extended to Mr. David Evans from Fort Smith; Ms. Joy Moore from Fort Smith; Mr. Norman Anikina from Tuktoyaktuk; in addition, Ms. Patricia Hiebert from Edmonton and Mr. Vern Fisher from Fort McMurray.
Mr. Speaker, in speaking to Pastor Eva Nichol, I asked whether this college would allow for more students as it is such a good program. I believe what could possibly be better than training northerners to learn about the word of God and going into the communities to preach. Pastor Eva Nichol stated that they certainly could take more students but, as a college, they were unable to give any type of subsidized housing. This government used to give them a housing unit through a charity lease, but the lease has since expired.
This college does not receive any funds from the GNWT, but it would be greatly appreciated if the Minister of Education would consider allowing a few units designated for Thebacha campus for the use of the college.
In closing, I want to, once again, thank Pastor Eva Nichol and Reverend Heather Marlin for their dedication in developing the program and commend them for all the work they have done. It is also important to note that Pastor Eva Nichol was recently the recipient of the wise woman award given out by the Status of Women Council of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.
---Applause
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Pentecostal Sub-arctic Leadership Training College, Fort Smith
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mrs. Marie-Jewell . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .
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Rcmp Staffing In Fort Liard
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. (Translation) Today I am going to be speaking my own language. I would like to say something about the RCMP, Mr. Speaker. In Fort Liard, there is one RCMP officer. There used to be three, but now there is only one. Not long ago, this RCMP officer...There was supposed to have been another RCMP officer there, but they didn't do that. In Liard, the band council requested another RCMP officer as soon as possible. This is what I wanted to say. (Translation ends)
As a result, the RCMP indicated they would priorize Fort Liard and fill the vacancy as soon as possible. This was the outcome of the meeting. However, as of late, the RCMP have since reneged on their position to fill the Fort Liard vacancy immediately. I understand why the community is becoming very frustrated with the situation. According to the RCMP, the situation in Fort Liard is now pending the staffing requirements of the RCMP detachment in Inuvik. I understand that the Member for Inuvik is going to be transferred to Liard, however, they want to get a replacement for him in Inuvik before they let him go.
I am running out of time, Mr. Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to continue my statement.
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Rcmp Staffing In Fort Liard
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for Nahendeh is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Antoine .
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Rcmp Staffing In Fort Liard
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am sure the RCMP are doing the best they can, however, when you consider the current oil and gas exploration boom that is going on in the Fort Liard region, there is a need for additional, permanent policing in Fort Liard. The community has made an urgent request for immediate permanent staff. Mr. Speaker, this situation must be looked at urgently and looked into by the appropriate administration before it is proven that one RCMP in the community is insufficient. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Rcmp Staffing In Fort Liard
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudluk .
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Turnover Of Panarctic's Assets To Communities
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Ludy Pudluk
High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to talk about PanArctic. During the early 1960s, PanArctic started working in the High Arctic for oil and gas research. Today, they are wrapping up and will be closing down in the High Arctic. They have done a lot of work up there and they have found some oil and gas. PanArctic had employees from Pond Inlet and Arctic Bay. This has been a very big benefit to the communities. I would like to acknowledge and thank them for that. But for Resolute Bay and Grise Fiord, there weren't any benefits at all to those residents.
To date, Resolute is asking PanArctic for some of their assets, if they are to be thrown out, burned or buried, such as vehicles. The hamlet of Resolute Bay has met with officials from PanArctic and...(inaudible)...They were asking if they could have some of their assets, such as vehicles or houses. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue my statement.
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Turnover Of Panarctic's Assets To Communities
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for High Arctic is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude, Mr. Pudluk .
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Turnover Of Panarctic's Assets To Communities
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Ludy Pudluk
High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, colleagues. The response they got was according to their agreements, they have to do this. They have been given different responses from DIAND. They are asking the government how this could be dealt with. The people of Resolute would like to get involved in cleaning the land. We know for sure there are many vehicles that are in good condition. They could be used in those communities. When the hamlet is trying to seek these assets, it costs a lot of money and is very expensive.
Further, today, I will be tabling some documents that were written to me. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Turnover Of Panarctic's Assets To Communities
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Pudluk . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ballantyne .
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Support To Newfoundland Government For Use Of Seals
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the last few weeks, I have raised the issue of this government and this Legislative Assembly raising their profile across the country and around the world, trying to expand our markets to attract investors and to try to solidify our place on the national stage. In the next few weeks, I will give some concrete examples of how this could be achieved.
One example that comes to mind is in the area of fish and seals. Presently, there is an international debate going on about the turbot stock, about the Spanish quota and about over fishing off the nose of the Grand Banks.
Members are aware that our fishermen in the Northwest Territories do have a turbot quota within a 200-mile limit. However, we have to recognize that if the stock is threatened, then our quota is threatened.
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Support To Newfoundland Government For Use Of Seals
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An Hon. Member
Hear! Hear!
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Support To Newfoundland Government For Use Of Seals
Item 3: Members' Statements
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Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Another area I think is very, very important -- and this is again happening in Newfoundland -- is there is a big push on by the federal Minister of Fisheries, Mr. Tobin, to try to revitalize the seal industry and he has given a relatively small grant, I think $1 million, to sealers in Newfoundland. This, along with the fact that Memorial University has come out with some new medical uses of seals, it seems to me that there is an opportunity there.
As an example of what I am talking about, I think it would be an ideal situation if our Minister of Renewable Resources and our Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs go to Newfoundland to support the federal government, the governments of the Maritimes in protecting our very important fish stocks. We should also be supporting the Government of Newfoundland in looking at new markets for seals. Just as importantly, we must convince the federal government and the provincial governments that we are an important player in Confederation and when our issues come to the table, they should be taken seriously.
So this is just one example of the sort of thing I am talking about. In the new few weeks, I hope to bring forward other ideas and question Ministers about their response to these initiatives. Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Support To Newfoundland Government For Use Of Seals
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 916
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Ballantyne . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Patterson .
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Proposal Call For Orthodontic Services In Iqaluit Region
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 916
Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was delighted with the proposal, made undoubtedly with the
encouragement of the Minister of Health , to provide orthodontic services in the Baffin region recently. However, I was very concerned that the Iqaluit Dental Clinic, which has existed since 1987, was not informed about the proposal call for orthodontic services. The proposal call was advertised in a Yellowknife-based newspaper and only at the very last minute was it advertised in Nunatsiaq News, published in Iqaluit.
I was even more disappointed to learn that the proposal call issued by the Baffin Regional Health Board seems intent on setting up its own dental facility through this proposal call. I do not know if this direction has been encouraged or authorized by the Minister of Health , but it certainly seems to be contrary to the GNWT policy of supporting established local businesses, as is done in the communities with our hotel accommodations, for example.
The Iqaluit dental facility is far bigger than the population requires and, therefore, will easily accommodate visiting orthodontic services, as it already does for visiting oral surgeons.
Mr. Speaker, the proposed
schedule for the proposal call also seems oriented, both towards short-term orthodontic care and also to a very large and unnecessary involvement in its management by the Baffin Regional Health Board. I believe that where local clinics exist, the proposal call should be structured so as to encourage orthodontists to make arrangements with local clinics for space, equipment, et cetera. The Baffin Regional Health Board should only be involved in providing the direct costs for travel and accommodation, as is done and seems to be working in Yellowknife.
Finally, Mr. Speaker, the Iqaluit Dental Clinic has been established since 1987. As this is the only service providing dental care to the people in Iqaluit and the Baffin region today, this clinic saw it as its duty to increase specialist dental care.
Now, the proposal call has been issued and it seems designed to leave out the Iqaluit Dental Clinic. This proposal call should be reviewed and improved so as to recognize the existence of existing clinics like the Iqaluit Dental Clinic as a basis for new orthodontic services. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Patterson . Item 3, Members' statements. Are there any further Members' statements? Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .
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Further Return To Question 423-12(7): Responsibility For Collection Of Damage Deposits
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 917
Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Koe regarding the responsibility for collection of damage deposits. The responsibility to pay for damages to rental units belongs first to the tenant. When the local housing organization makes repairs, the money is paid out of the maintenance budget. A bill is then sent to the tenant. When the bill is paid, the money is put back into the maintenance budget.
Sometimes a bill is not paid, and this means that the money from the maintenance budget will not be returned. This is a problem because it can mean that some maintenance work cannot be done because the budget has run out.
The corporation helps the local housing organizations to collect for these damages, and encourages LHOs to act to prevent damage to these homes.
The corporation's funding of local housing organizations allows for the LHOs to recover the money from the corporation for uncollectible tenant damages after every effort has been made by the LHOs to collect from the tenants. This makes sure that other tenants are not penalized because someone damages their unit and cannot pay for the repairs. I want to make sure that good tenants still have good homes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Further Return To Question 423-12(7): Responsibility For Collection Of Damage Deposits
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 917
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Arngna'naaq .
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Further Return To Question 397-12(7): Consultation Re Amendments To Migratory Birds Convention
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 917
Silas Arngna'naaq
Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Zoe concerning consultation regarding amendment to Migratory Bird Convention Act. To develop a national position on amending the migratory bird convention, which is the treaty between US and Canada, the federal government began its three-year consultation process in 1990. Bilateral meetings were held between the federal government and migratory bird management stakeholders, including in the Northwest Territories, the Denendeh Conservation Board, the Wildlife Management Advisory Council in the Inuvialuit settlement area and the then Nunavut Wildlife Management Advisory Board.
In April 1992, the last formal public consultations occurred with regional meetings in Iqaluit and Yellowknife. Chief Joe Rabesca of Rae attended the Yellowknife session and capably provided input from his people. Subsequent additional ad hoc meetings were held in Canada to permit further input from aboriginal organizations. The federal government is currently assessing the options for recognizing aboriginal and treaty rights in either the convention or Canada's Migratory Bird Convention Act.
The Department of Renewable Resources attended most meetings and facilitated territorial input so that territorial concerns could be incorporated into the final Canadian position. Throughout this process, the Department of Renewable Resources provided advice to the federal government and promoted the concept of fair, legitimate, northern access to this renewable resources.
The Government of the Northwest Territories does not have a representative on the Canadian negotiating team for the amendment to the migratory bird convention nor have we had any contact with the negotiating team. Three aboriginal representatives have been appointed to the negotiating team: Mr. Phillip Awashish, who represents the Assembly of First Nations; Ms. Rosemarie Kuptana, who represents Inuit; and, Mr. Jim Bourque, who represents the Metis. The other members are three from Foreign Affairs Canada, two from Environment Canada and one representing the provinces and territories.
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Further Return To Question 397-12(7): Consultation Re Amendments To Migratory Birds Convention
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 918
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Patterson .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 918
Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank an honourable Member for pointing out to me that Mr. Ben McDonald of the UNW is in the gallery, but he's not in his usual seat, directly across from me. I don't know if that means he no longer feels he has to monitor my performance representing workers, that he isn't flattered by my frequent recognition of his presence in the gallery or maybe it just means that someone else is sitting in his seat today.
---Laughter
---Applause
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Page 918
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Lewis .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 918
Brian Lewis
Yellowknife Centre
I don't know if our rules permit this, Mr. Speaker, but I also would like to recognize Mr. Ben McDonald in the gallery. He is sitting opposite me. He has lived in my constituency for many, many years. He has been a colleague in different community things. I would like to commend him for his dedication, endurance and patience in attending our Legislature as part of his work. I do this, Mr. Speaker, because it takes a special individual to sit through all this without any opportunity to participate. Thank you.
---Applause
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Page 918
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Whitford .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 918
Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, colleagues. Today I would like to recognize some of the students from the Range Lake North primary grades, the enrichment program, grades three and five. Their teacher is Ms. Teri Arngna'naaq. She is not able to accompany them today, but the parents who did accompany them are Mrs. Barbara Bilodeau and Rennie Carlson. Welcome to the Assembly.
---Applause
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
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Page 918
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ballantyne .
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Question 440-12(7): Support For Maritime Fishing And Sealing Industries
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 918
Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not quite sure who this question should go to, it could be the Premier , but she is not here; or the Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs , but he's not here. It could either be Mr. Arngna'naaq or Mr. Todd . Why don't I try Mr. Arngna'naaq , and if that is the wrong place, feel free to have one of those more appropriate to answer.
Mr. Speaker, I brought up in my Member's statement the whole area of major issues, national issues, happening right now that directly affect us. And I see a tremendous opportunity for us to support both Maritime governments and the federal government in their efforts to protect the turbot fishery.
And I see an opportunity right now with the province of Newfoundland, for us to support the efforts of the Newfoundland government and again, Mr. Tobin, to revitalize the seal industry. Would the Minister be prepared, along with a delegation of Inuit seal hunters and turbot fishermen, to travel to the Maritime provinces and demonstrate some strong support for the efforts of our government with these areas? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 440-12(7): Support For Maritime Fishing And Sealing Industries
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 918
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .
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Question 440-12(7): Support For Maritime Fishing And Sealing Industries
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 918
Silas Arngna'naaq
Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We, in the Northwest Territories, have been actively involved although it may not necessarily be at the ministerial level. We certainly have been active at the regional level.
The Nunavut Wildlife Management Board, which is the newly-formed organization of the Nunavut final agreement, has over the last year been very active in trying to organize themselves to be able to face many of the issues that affect the coastal communities in the east. We have had departmental officials involved in many of the fisheries activities that have been going on.
My involvement has been limited to Minister of Fisheries conferences, up until this point. In the most recent ministerial meeting, I was able to confirm with the Minister that Inuit have to take an active role in the goings-on in research that may be taking place regarding seals. The area of sealing and marketing of this new idea about making use of seal oil for medicinal purposes has been a Newfoundland effort and we certainly have been giving them our moral support.
But so far the efforts have been limited to the Nunavut Wildlife Management Board, the efforts of the regional Baffin hunters' and trappers' association, who are very active in trying to maintain the turbot quota that they have received in the fishing area. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 918
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .
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Supplementary To Question 440-12(7): Support For Maritime Fishing And Sealing Industries
Question 440-12(7): Support For Maritime Fishing And Sealing Industries
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 918
Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I didn't get a response to my question. It is well and good that the Minister's staff is involved in some way with regional groups. It is well and good that the Minister's staff is looking at providing some kind of technical support. But I really think
the time has come for this government to use the offices of Ministers and the office of the Premier to provide a catalyst for these regional groups, for community groups, to make their concerns known on the national/international scene.
I think that it is time that we got very verbal, very vocal, very aggressive, and on the national stage. My question to the Minister; is the Minister prepared to lead a delegation of turbot fishermen, and Inuit seal hunters, to the Maritime provinces to demonstrate our support of the federal government and the Maritime governments, to protect these very important industries? Thank you.
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Supplementary To Question 440-12(7): Support For Maritime Fishing And Sealing Industries
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 919
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Mr. Arngna'naaq .
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Further Return To Question 440-12(7): Support For Maritime Fishing And Sealing Industries
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 919
Silas Arngna'naaq
Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 919
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ballantyne .
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Supplementary To Question 440-12(7): Support For Maritime Fishing And Sealing Industries
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 919
Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
It is good to hear that, I would have liked to hear a more passionate yes, but...
---Laughter
...I certainly will accept a yes. Mr. Speaker, if I could ask the Minister, when can we expect this particular trip to happen? Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 919
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Mr. Arngna'naaq .
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Further Return To Question 440-12(7): Support For Maritime Fishing And Sealing Industries
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 919
Silas Arngna'naaq
Kivallivik
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have actually been in contact with the Minister in the format of letters. However, I have not been in contact with him over the last week or so; I have been sitting here as everybody else has. My schedule, at this point, has been quite well laid out for the next few weeks, so I don't know when I will be able to set it up, but I will certainly make a good effort in the very near future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 919
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Question 441-12(7): Subsidized Housing For Pentecostal Sub-arctic Leadership Training College
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 919
Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Earlier today, in my Member's statement, I had stated that there is the Pentecostal Sub-Arctic Leadership Training College in Fort Smith, and I had indicated that there is a shortage of subsidized housing on the part of the college. I am wondering whether or not it would be possible for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment to consider assisting this college by looking at designating a couple of Thebacha Campus housing units for the purpose of supporting the Sub-Arctic Leadership Training College in order to house students in Fort Smith. Thank you.
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Question 441-12(7): Subsidized Housing For Pentecostal Sub-arctic Leadership Training College
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 919
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 919
Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just so that we are clear, I don't have a problem, Mr. Speaker, of looking into this particular matter, but it is still important that we ensure that there are units available for the Thebacha Campus; our own students who are in Fort Smith are our first priority. But I will take the advice of the honourable Member and look into this matter and see how we might be able to be of assistance.
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Page 919
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Pudluk .
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Question 442-12(7): Provision Of Interpreters At Resolute Bay Healing Workshop
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 919
Ludy Pudluk
High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On March 30, 1995, I made a Member's statement regarding the healing workshop being conducted in Resolute Bay. On May 11th, this workshop or seminar is going to go ahead. At that time, I asked a question about
interpretation services, whether the GNWT would be able to provide
interpretation services to the workshop. Now, I would like to ask Mr. Nerysoo whether his department will be making their interpreters available for the healing workshop in Resolute Bay. I think this workshop is going to be very important to the future of the community. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can advise the honourable Member that I'm not certain whether staff is going to be available but I believe the event is a worthwhile one for us to provide support to. I will look at how we can be of assistance, whether it is with our own interpreters or through a contract arrangement so that service can be provided. We will give priority to this issue.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Antoine .
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Question 443-12(7): Status Of Tourism Zone Association Review
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 919
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Mr. Speaker, on behalf of my constituents and, in particular, the Nahanni Ram Tourism Association, I raised an issue about tourism zone association cutbacks. I would like to ask the Minister, what is the current status of his department's zone association review? Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 920
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Todd .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The consultant for the zone association review is in the final throes right now of finalizing his report. This report will go back into the respective areas for comment.
Parallel to that, I met with one of the executive directors of the Frontier Visitors' Association and I encouraged her to try to bring together all of the western zone associations in the not-too-distant future -- and I indicated we were prepared to assist in financing it -- to see if we can reach an arrangement with the zones in the industry as to how we can proceed in the coming months with respect to the initiatives we've taken for overall tourist associations, one for the east and one for the west. Thank you.
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It was brought to my attention that his review committee breezed through my constituency very quickly. It seems as if they already know what the report is going to say. The Nahanni Ram Tourism Association did not submit any written recommendations to the visiting review committee. It's my understanding that each zone was asked a standard set of questions and their respective positions were based on voter response. I would like to ask the Minister if written recommendations or positions were required for submission to the zone review committee, outlining each zone association's position. Thank you.
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John Todd
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not aware of the methodology they used at the community level. I know that, as the Minister responsible for this initiative, it's important to me that we seek community input into this new strategy that has come about for two reasons: one, because there are fundamental differences in tourism development in the east and west. There is a highway system in the west, there is different geography in terms of where the client comes from and there is a non-highway air system in the east. Coupled with that, division is imminent in 1999. Those were the primary reasons for looking at establishing two associations that were more reflective of the industry.
I would suggest to the honourable Member that if there was a request for written submissions, that would be one way of doing it. I would hope there would also be the opportunity for oral submissions. If, in fact, the consultant did, as the Member suggested, move quickly through his constituency, particularly the Nahanni area, I'll look into that and see what we can do to ensure that the Nahanni Ram Tourism Association is given adequate time to send in their comments.
We should seek their counsel on how we would go about reorganizing two tourist associations in the east and the west, and how we're going to go about running the zone associations in a more cost-effective way, given the fact that we're looking at some budget restraints and cutbacks in the overall category of support for zones. Thank you.
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My concern with this review is that tourism in my area has a huge potential and could develop further in a lot of jobs and a lot of business opportunities for people in my constituency. This review was to develop a strategy that the department is going to follow in the future. My concern is that this review be done in a way where everybody who has a concern in my constituency has a say in it. I'm told that this review only went to Fort Simpson and they talked only to executives. They did not go into the communities to listen to the members of the tourism associations.
I would like to ask the Minister, what provisions have been made to allow each zone to comment on the review's findings? Thank you.
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It's unfortunate if the consultant didn't travel into the honourable Member's riding. He knows I've spoken on a number of occasions on the importance of the Nahanni area. I think it's probably one of the most beautiful places in the Northwest Territories so I will have a look into that issue. However, there is a sense of urgency in terms of trying to find a new way of doing things. We've had to look at cutbacks, as instructed by the FMB, with respect to our zone association budgets. I guess that's the urgency.
To answer the question, I'm saying on the one hand, I'll check into why his communities didn't get an opportunity, two, that there has to be recognition that there is a sense of urgency because of budget restraints; and, three, in terms of ongoing input, I would suggest two things: one, I believe there is a move approved by some of the existing zones to call a meeting in the not-too-distant future of all the zones in an effort to reach an arrangement with each other as to how a western tourist association should be formalized. That might be one area where the Nahanni Ram Tourism Association could participate.
Two, I will discuss with the deputy minister what steps we intend to take once the report has come forward to see if, in fact, we have consensus on the results of the report and report back to the honourable Member. Thank you.
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister, what is the total dollar value the department is
spending to do this review? Thank you.
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I'm sorry, Mr. Speaker, I'm not aware of the actual total costs so I'd have to take that question as notice and report back to the honourable Member. Thank you.
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, in the normal course of establishing a new business in the Northwest Territories, businesses are informed about requirements to have a business licence and to register with the Workers' Compensation Board. A new corporate constituent of mine recently complained to the Minister of Finance and myself that, at present, there seems to be no information provided to new businesses about obligations to register and pay for the NWT payroll tax. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance if he's willing to do anything about this complaint. Thank you.
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Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker, it has been brought to my attention. Not wanting to cause any new businesses any problems because, obviously, if six months down the road they suddenly find out they haven't been paying the tax, they have to pay it retroactively. They may be responsible themselves. Obviously, not wishing to forego any taxes, I would like to get my hands on them as soon as possible.
Just to make it easy to do business in the Northwest Territories and not have to root around for the information, I've asked the department to investigate if we can use the same sort of mechanism that WCB does or the municipal councils do with business licences, and advise new companies that they should register to pay payroll tax. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism what is the status of the development of the agricultural policy that his department was working on. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that the agricultural policy, at least the initial report, has been completed. We're in discussions with some of the industry, particular in the honourable Member's area. I'll have to give the honourable Member a clearer update as to when I believe we'll be in a position to table it. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since the session is coming to an end, can the Minister give me a timetable as to when he would be able to let us know the status of being able to table the policy? Thank you.
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The Territorial Farmers' Association...
---Laughter
...three guys who grow potatoes in Fort Smith. No, I'm just joking.
---Laughter
One cow and Felix from Iqaluit. The Territorial Farmers' Association has developed this draft policy. The notes say that we've sent it out to the departments of Renewable Resources, Health, MACA and everything else because you have to get everybody's input into this thing because it's federal and heaven knows what. We're hoping that we can finalize the agricultural policy...
I'm afraid I'll have to take that question as notice, Mr. Chairman.
---Laughter
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Question 446-12(7): Status Of Updating NWT Minerals Regime
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On March 9th, I asked the Minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources questions concerning the federal royalties to the NWT mining activities. I would like to thank the Minister for the response to that. I would like to follow up and ask the Minister what is the current status of the process which directly addresses the issue of updating the NWT mineral revenues regime to bring it in line with other jurisdictions. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good question. As the honourable Member know, we are in some fairly
sensitive negotiations right now with the aboriginal groups that are directly affected with some of this mineral exploration that's going on, particularly right across the territories. As a matter of fact, they're meeting today, I believe, in an effort to see if we can find appropriate language that would satisfy everybody so we can move forward collectively to the federal government to reach an arrangement with respect to the transfer of responsibilities.
Hypothetically, if this transfer took place tomorrow, then the royalty regime would be a priority in our eyes. We've done a whole bunch of consultative work as to what kind of competitive tax regime we would want in the territories, and there are a number of scenarios that we've been working on. However, that is not the case right now; we don't have that legislative responsibility.
However, the federal government and Mr. Irwin recently made an announcement that they're prepared to review the current royalty and tax regime as it relates to both the federal and territorial governments. I wrote a letter to Mr. Irwin last week applauding him for this effort because I think it's important.
I think we're going to be able to reach an arrangement with him where it's a joint initiative between the federal and territorial governments, because ultimately if there's any change prior to minerals being transferred to this government we will inherit that change and it's extremely important that the new regime, whatever it may be, is done in a manner that's in the best interests of all northerners.
So to answer the honourable Member's question; in short form, we've undertaken an internal review of what we would see as options for a new tax royalty regime should we get the responsibility for minerals. Parallel with that, the federal government has said that they are going to review it and they have agreed that we would participate in that review and we will share with them all the work we have done with respect to royalty and tax regimes. Thank you.
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister, is there a department policy or directive in place now that specifically addresses the issue of oil and gas royalties, in light of the oil and gas exploration boom that's happening in the Fort Liard region? Thank you.
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We have a policy in place that was an arrangement reached many years ago. I stand to be corrected, but I believe it's as old as somewhere in the mid-1940s in terms of the current regime. So we have a policy in place. It's inadequate. It's almost antiquated. There's clearly a need to look at a new policy as it relates to the current structure of a public government. Ultimately, as I've been saying over the last six or seven months, any new policy that we develop will be to the benefit of whatever constitutional change takes place in the west and whatever forms of government take place, because I view it as being transferred down when those changes take place.
So there is a policy in place. It's not adequate and we need to make changes. I'm encouraged by the fact that the federal government in conjunction with ourselves are going to be able to do that in the coming months, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It looks like the results of this oil and gas exploration are giving some positive results, and the extracting of resources is quite imminent in the future. I would like to ask the Minister what measures are being taken by the Minister and his department to ensure a royalty regime that will ensure the GNWT will benefit from the oil and gas resources. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The reality is that the current regime is, at least in my opinion and I believe in the opinion of Cabinet, totally inadequate. As I said, we're striving hard to reach an arrangement with the First Nations and aboriginal groups where we can collectively go forward to the federal government to reach an appropriate transfer of responsibility. With this transfer of responsibility, we believe that will give us the leverage necessary to restructure a royalty and tax regime that is fairer to all northerners and First Nations and is competitive with the industry itself. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Jim Antoine
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister and his department are currently working on the northern accord which includes minerals and oil and gas in the north. I would like to get the Government of the Northwest Territories to administer that and work with the First Nations to achieve this. Once that is done, then the department is working on an internal strategy on how to revamp the current royalty system. Today, Mr. Speaker, from the media this morning I heard a mining executive saying that, instead of trying to squeeze the last drop out of the mining industry, it is better to create more mines.
I would like to ask the Minister about the work they're doing to develop a new mining strategy for the royalty regime. I wonder if he could tell the House how he and his department are developing this strategy. Thank you.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think I used the word "competitive." Let me assure that whatever royalty regime we put in place will not impede environmentally-sound development in the mining industry. I want to assure the honourable Member and I certainly want to assure the mining industry that if they think the current royalty regime should stay in place as we move forward in the development of major diamond mines, et cetera, then quite frankly, they better revise their thinking. I've said that consistently and I have no intention of changing it.
We do realize that industry has to be competitive but anyone who is suggesting that the current royalties, which are totally inadequate, are okay, is wrong. We clearly need to make sure that any benefits that are taken out of this country, whether it is gold, lead, zinc or diamonds, that there is some return for investment, if you want, to aboriginal northerners, First Nations, and public government. That's my position. Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you. I think Members of this House support the Minister's approach on that. Just so northerners really know some comparative values of our royalty regime in the Northwest Territories and royalty regimes in other parts of Canada, perhaps the Minister could give us some comparisons, if he has them available. Perhaps he can table some comparisons between the royalty regime here in the Northwest Territories and that of other provinces and territories in the country. Thank you.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that's an important question. I would like to elaborate on that by saying we're prepared to table not only tax regimes that are in Canada but tax regimes in the rest of the world, whether it's Chile, Australia or Brazil. These mining companies, and we're very sympathetic to them, are international in their focus in terms of where they get the best return for investment. I would suggest to you again that the current tax regime we have here is simply inadequate.
We have to ensure that it's competitive so that the mining industry can move forward in its development and get a reasonable return for its investment for their shareholders. But, surely to goodness, all northerners have to equally get a return on investment, for taking these valuable resources out of our country. Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to confirm that the Minister will then table those comparisons here in the House.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes. While we don't currently have the legislative responsibility for oil, gas and minerals, we have done an enormous amount of work, internally, as to the options and looked at tax regimes and value-added components of this industry, right across the continent. I would be only too happy, Mr. Speaker, to table as quickly as I can the kinds of regimes that are in place both in Canada and across the continent. Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
I think it would be very useful to put it into some context so people can really see the royalty regime here compared to the rest of the country. If the information is available, I wonder if the Minister could table in this House the exact revenues, or as close an approximation as the Minister can find, presently received in royalties by the federal government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That question was asked earlier last week by Mr. Antoine and I would be only too happy to table it, but I would also like to tell the Member that it is $13.4 million. Thank you.
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Justice -- who I'm glad to see is back in the House -- about the legal interpreting program. Mr. Speaker, as I understand it, there are really four positions for Inuktitut terminologists now vacant which have not been refilled and there are two other positions scheduled to terminate June 1st. I would like to ask the Minister if he has consulted with judges, the defence bar, Crown prosecutors and legal aid clinics -- all of whom depend on this vital service -- about the major cutbacks and changes proposed for the legal interpreting program. Thank you.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, the major cuts that the Member is referring to were made, not by this government, but by the federal government. As I said last week, the reductions we're making in the Department of Justice are reductions we feel are manageable and do not impede the ability of the government or courts to carry on with the levels of service that they expect. Thank you.
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Mr. Speaker, I note the Minister is confident that the proposed changes which were at least implemented by his department -- it was his department that gave notice to these employees -- won't affect the administration of justice. I would like to again ask the Minister, has he talked to judges, the defence bar, Crown prosecutors, and legal aid clinics about whether they think these proposed changes will affect the administration of justice? Thank you.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, personally, I have not spoken to a judge, perhaps but twice in my life. I haven't talked to the other officials the Member is referring to, no.
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Well, Mr. Speaker, I'm not particularly happy with that answer. When a Minister is asked about whether he has consulted, the question includes whether or not he has had his officials and deputy -- who is in regular liaison with judges, the defence bar, Crown prosecutors, et cetera -- consult about proposed changes. I'd like to ask the Minister whether he has talked to these organizations or people, directly or not. Has his department consulted with the major users of this service about substantial changes that are proposed in this vital service? Thank you.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I would have to take the question as notice and check with the department to see whether officials in the Department of Justice have spoken to the persons that the Member is referring to. Thank you.
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Thank you. The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Question 449-12(7): Evaluation Of Liquor Inspection Program
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Safety and Public Services . Mr. Speaker, last week I spoke about liquor inspectors and commended the liquor inspector in Fort Smith for being able to do many inspections and ensure the liquor facilities in our community are establishments that people feel safe to go to. I think through the Minister's office, there certainly has been some comprehensive review and public consultation, taking into account the development of the new Liquor Act. At the same time, Mr.
Speaker, I think the best legislation in the world would not address liquor control problems unless we take a serious approach to enforcement. I'd like to ask the Minister whether or not he would agree to make a formal evaluation of the way the liquor inspection program is being implemented in the Northwest Territories, prior to the June sitting of this House. Thank you.
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Mr. Speaker, prior to dealing with the immediate question, just so it is clear, I think the honourable Member has taken note of the 1993-94 annual report of the NWT Liquor Commission which reports on the statistics of the number of liquor inspections in each community. I just want to advise the honourable Members that this information had not been included in any of the previous reports. In fact, what it now does is give us a better understanding of the work and the commitment of this department in making sure the public knows what is happening with liquor regulation in the Northwest Territories.
The honourable Member also pointed out, Mr. Speaker, her concern about the number of inspections that were carried out in Yellowknife, in particular in 1993-94. There were 205 inspections in Yellowknife and she pointed out that, in comparative terms, there were more inspections carried out in Fort Smith. What's interesting, Mr. Speaker, is that the inspection frequency that occurred in Yellowknife increased by 49 per cent since 1993-94 in Yellowknife. In other words, we've increased the total amount of inspections, as a result of the information that has been brought to our attention.
So we are, in fact, already carrying out more inspections than we ever have before here in the city of Yellowknife and generally, right across the Northwest Territories.
I also want to make the honourable Member aware that her concern regarding the frequency of inspections is a very valid one and we're certainly trying to do our best, as a department, to determine how often we carry out our inspections. I would like to thank the honourable Member for raising those elements of our responsibility. It's our view that we should carry out our responsibility in a responsible fashion.
The "where" and "when" questions that she also raised previously with regard to the policy are also valid ones and we should, as a department, be able to work those issues out over the next year. Certainly as a result of our consultations and the legislative work we're carrying out, we'll be able to identify those issues as part of legislative requirements as well.
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