Debates of Feb. 19th, 1998

This is page numbers 927 - 958 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was community .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

GNWT Position On Northern Diamonds

Pay Equity Negotiations

Rent Scale Moratorium

Birthday Greetings To Speaker Gargan

World Championship Dog Mushing Results

Literacy Action Day

The Rising Cost Of Power

Inuvik High Temperature System

Alternate Energy Sources

Birth Registration And Certification

Lack Of Police Services

Literacy Action Day

Government Integrity And Credibility

Literacy Action Day

Returns To Oral Question 162-13(5): Details Of Aurora Fund Expenditures

Return To Oral Question 355-13(5): Number Of Businesses Registered Under Business Initiative Policy

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Policing Services In Sachs Harbour

Long Distance Telephone Competition

Purpose Of The Low Water Surcharge

Spread Of Canine Distemper

Appointment Of District Education Authority

Policy On Alternative Energy Sources

Update On National Unity Issue

High Temperature Heating System Costs

Local Income Support Service Delivery

Election Of Local Education Authorities

Literature Available On Breast Cancer Screening

Community Energy Conservation Efforts

Attendance Of Ministers

Public Consultation Re: Education Authority

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Tabled Document 52-13(5): Details Of Aurora Fund Expenditures

Tabled Document 53-13(5): Letter Dated February 11, 1998 From Mrs. Groenewegen To Mr. Morin

Tabled Document 54-13(5): February 6, 1998 Unedited Hansard - Page 1000

Tabled Document 55-13(5): Letter To Mr. Steen From Mayor Of Sachs Harbour Re: Policing

Tabled Document 56-13(5): Nwtpc Notice Of Power Rate Changes To Fort Mcpherson Customers

Item 15: Notices Of Motions For First Reading Of Bills

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation To Review And Amend The Labour Standards Act

Recommendation Respecting The Review Of Corrections

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 927

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Good afternoon. Today is Literacy Day. The purpose of Literacy Action Day is to raise awareness of local and territorial issues and to reaffirm our support for literacy regardless of form in the Northwest Territories. Literacy is not only about reading and writing, but also about effective communication. Reading and writing is not only about reading what is on paper, but also on rock or a piece of wood. This would have been said if I was doing it in my own language, but we are communicating now.

To get my message across sometimes we have to use the services of the interpreter translation staff. Their job is very important when it comes to communication. Sadly enough, the Northwest Territories has the lowest rate of literacy in Canada. The good news is that indigenous languages are alive and well in the Northwest Territories. We have the highest rate of indigenous language practice in Canada, perhaps even in the world.

Literacy is communication. Communication is needed for survival, whether you are saying a prayer or piloting a plane in a life-threatening situation. Sometimes saying one thing in one language may mean another thing in another. For example, in this House, I would address a Member according to the name of his constituency or by his last name. In the aboriginal culture, it is most respectful when we define the person by his first name.

Literacy skills are important. I would like to encourage all aboriginal organizations, business and labour groups and Members to include literacy as their activity, not only for today, but for the rest of their lives. Mahsi cho.

--Applause

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 66-13(5): GNWT Position On Northern Diamonds

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The north is blessed with an abundance of resources including oil and gas, gold, base metals and diamonds. However, as fortunate as we are to have such riches, northerners have mixed feelings about our nonrenewable resources. For example, we worry that these resources will be taken from us, without real benefits to the north. We worry that mining companies will come and prosper and then leave us with a mess to clean up.

Mr. Speaker, we have reason to worry about these things because this has happened before, but as a result of our past experiences, we cannot and we will not allow these situations to be repeated. The fact is these resources represent our greatest potential for economic development, the jobs and revenues that we need to become more self-reliant, both for today and our future generations. We must welcome the investment and the expertise of oil, mining and exploration companies who want to work in partnership with us to share in the benefits.

Mr. Speaker, we will soon join an exclusive club of producers of one of the most valuable commodities on earth, diamonds. The diamond industry is unique and it is highly profitable. BHP Diamonds should recover the capital costs associated with Ekati Mine within the first five to seven years of operation. The company will go on to generate over $14 billion in income during the 25-year life of the mine. We estimate its profit over the same time period will be over $4 billion. Mr. Speaker, this is revenue that will be generated from our resources.

What do we think is fair to the north? First, we must ensure our land and environment are protected. Second, we expect some of the jobs and business opportunities for northerners from construction and operation of this mine. Third, we want a fair share of taxes and royalties. Finally, we want opportunities to participate in the value-added industries that are fed by this resource. Is this asking too much?

--Applause

I do not think so, Mr. Speaker. Let us look where we stand with our first diamond mine. Mr. Speaker, the GNWT, Canada and BHP have negotiated an environmental agreement which we believe provides unprecedented commitments to protect our environment. The socio-economic agreement between the GNWT and BHP complements the impact benefit agreements between BHP and affected aboriginal groups. It is designed to ensure residents of the Northwest Territories will receive training, employment and business opportunities from the construction and operation of Ekati Mine.

These arrangements will help us to meet our first two objectives of protecting our environment and providing northern job opportunities. What about the revenues?

Mr. Speaker, under current arrangements, the federal government will have a net fiscal benefit of over $4 billion over the life of the mine. The NWT will receive only $400 million from this mine in net tax revenue, less than ten percent of the federal revenues. Due to current inequities in the federal royalty and fiscal arrangements, our average annual revenues of $17 million will be less than we will spend on infrastructure and social programs in support of this mine. One option is to add new taxes to these mines. We have thought long and hard about doing that. However, Mr.

Speaker, this government has decided it would prefer to work with the federal government to achieve a fair share of the current taxes and royalties. We are doing just that.

This government would also prefer to work with the industry to achieve benefits through value-added opportunities. Our government is participating in a federal-territorial task force, which we hope will shape future Canadian policies on the diamond industry. We have consistently taken positions that the diamond valuation should take place in a northern community, off the mine site. In doing this, we recognize that BHP Diamonds may incur a small incremental cost. However, government valuation occurs offsite in every major diamond mining jurisdiction. The NWT and Canada should accept no less, Mr. Speaker.

We have been told, we northerners do not have the skills to get involved in this industry, that we should be content with our role as a mining colony for multinational corporations. Mr. Speaker, this is completely unacceptable.

--Applause

The key to developing a diamond cutting and polishing industry is access to a constant reliable supply of diamonds at a fair market price. Let me be very clear on this. We are not asking the mining industry to subsidize development of a new northern industry. BHP Diamonds has stated publicly that it would prefer to sell diamonds in the north, provided they get a fair price under normal commercial terms.

Our wish is to work directly with them to achieve that objective and make a small fraction of the raw resources available for northern use. The supply of rough diamonds will be used to assist the development of a value-added diamond industry in the Northwest Territories. A small but direct involvement of this government in the diamond industry will also provide us with valuable inside information on diamond markets, information we need to protect the interests of the north.

We look forward to working with BHP Diamonds and future diamond producers to ensure northerners share in many benefits from the discovery and mining of NWT diamonds. Mr. Speaker, these are our resources and our future. There are some people who would say, we are asking too much, but I say, we can accept nothing less, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 66-13(5): GNWT Position On Northern Diamonds

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 67-13(5): Pay Equity Negotiations

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Recently, Mr. Speaker, the government decided to speak out openly and factually about pay equity. It is now recognized that a negotiated solution will only be possible if the government provides factual information that puts an end to speculation and corrects perceptions that were based on misleading information.

The government believes it is possible to find common ground that will bring about a negotiated solution to the pay equity complaint. Mr. Speaker, I ask everyone to consider that the government, the union, employees and the people of the NWT have the following common interests. Everyone would like to see men and women paid the same for doing work of equal value.

--Applause

Everyone would like to see a negotiated solution. No one likes this issue to drag on for another ten years, Mr. Speaker. No one wants to solve one inequity by creating greater inequities for other residents. Mr. Speaker, there are ways to find solutions that meet all these interests. I have stated many times that I believe the only way to resolve disagreement is through negotiations. Our best hope for a negotiated solution is to put aside the emotions, rhetoric and concentrate on the facts and on finding reasonable solutions.

Until recently, the government believed that the Canadian Human Rights Act did not apply to the pay equity complaint. Until recently, the government did not have the results of a reliable job evaluation system to determine the extent of any pay equity problem.

Before the new Hay Job Evaluation System was implemented, all we had were evaluations on a sample of jobs from a study done in the early 1990s. These evaluations were inadequate to identify any specific pay equity problem. These evaluations did indicate, however, there was a potential pay equity problem. Efforts to address these potential problems were made at previous rounds of collective bargaining by the restructuring of rates of pay.

Recently, the federal court ruled that the Canadian Human Rights Act applies where there is a complaint against the government. The government has just completed the evaluation of all positions using a bias-free job evaluation system. These evaluation results show that even with the restructuring that has taken place, the rates of pay in the collective agreement do not provide for equal pay for work of equal value. This means that the government cannot knowingly ignore the legal obligations set out in the Canadian Human Rights Act by signing a new collective agreement with rates of pay that may be discriminatory against its female employees.

Mr. Speaker, the UNW is faced with the same dilemma since the Canadian Human Rights Act applies equally to the union as the representative of unionized employees. The UNW cannot knowingly sign a collective agreement that contains rates of pay which may be discriminatory against its female members.

This means that the government and the UNW must find a solution to the pay equity problem before they can sign off a collective agreement. Rates of pay must be based on a bias-free job evaluation system as set out under the Canadian Human Rights guidelines.

Mr. Speaker, I am hopeful and optimistic that a negotiated solution to pay equity will be achieved within the April 1, 1998 deadline the parties have set for themselves. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 67-13(5): Pay Equity Negotiations

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 68-13(5): Rent Scale Moratorium

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am very pleased to rise today to speak about the social housing rent scale. As Members may recall, this government put a halt on raising rents last year for tenants in social housing.

The moratorium on rent increases was to allow work to begin on integrating the social housing and income support programs. A number of important opportunities on the two programs to work more closely together have now been identified.

Some of these opportunities include:

- Developing an appeal process to look at cases where rent increases may be causing true hardship for families.

- Establishing a consistent cost of living indicator, which can be used in both social housing rent calculations and the income support program.

- Developing consistent

definitions of income between the two programs

- Developing a process where social housing construction and maintenance can be used as one of the income support program's productive choices

In order to allow government attention to focus on developing these opportunities for the benefit of both future governments, it has been decided there will be no further rent increases to social housing tenants prior to division. I am also pleased to announce an extension to the Rent Rebate Program.

--Applause

My colleague, the Honourable Charles Dent , and I look forward to the opportunity to further integrate two of the government's most important social programs. This is absolutely essential. The work, to be jointly done by the NWT Housing Corporation and the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, will set a vital framework for future social program implementation for the two new governments in 1999.

Mr. Speaker, when the social housing rent scale was put into effect in 1995, it was intended to bring rents in line across the NWT in all communities. The rent scale has had the desired effect in urging more families to consider the home ownership options offered by the NWT Housing Corporation. The Corporation now gets well over 1,000 home ownership applications annually.

Mr. Speaker, I believe the government's decision to defer further rent increases until this vital work is completed, demonstrates that we have heard the messages being given by the communities, tenants and many of my fellow MLAs that housing and income support programs need to work more closely together to benefit our citizens. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 68-13(5): Rent Scale Moratorium

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Before we go on to Members' statements, I wish to recognize some people in the gallery.

The Honourable Leonard Derkach, Minister of Rural Development; the Honourable David Newman, Minister of Northern Affairs, Energy and Mines; Mayor Spence of the town of Churchill and Mayor Comaskey, from the city of Thompson, Manitoba, with their delegation of public servants. Welcome to the Assembly.

--Applause

Before we proceed with Members' statements, some Members have been commenting that I am hiding something. Just in case I turn redder than I am now, I want to remind the Members that today is half the day of the rest of my life.

--Applause

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 279-13(5): Birthday Greetings To Speaker Gargan

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today one of our own is one step closer to officially becoming an elder. It is 50 years ago today on February 19, 1948, that this Member was born. He was first raised in Red Knife River and has since spent his life in the community of Fort Providence. This Member's years in this House and the growing amount of silver hair have earned him the title of Dean of the Assembly. As you might have guessed, Mr. Speaker, the

birthday I am talking about is yours. You are now a half a century old. On behalf of all your colleagues, I wish you a happy 50th birthday. Mr. Speaker, I hope your next 50 years are filled with as much joy as your first half a century on earth. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

--Applause

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Member's Statement 279-13(5): Birthday Greetings To Speaker Gargan

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . It is very much appreciated. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 280-13(5): World Championship Dog Mushing Results

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to provide an update on the world championship dog races in The Pas, Manitoba. We have several NWT dog mushers who are participating there. This is just hot off the press. It occurred earlier today. Richard Beck came in third. Richard is the defending world champion, six times I might add, and the only person to have won this championship six times. He is a constituent of Yellowknife North.

In fourth place was Frank Kelly of Yellowknife; in fifth place was Raymond Beck of Hay River; in sixth place Grant Beck from Yellowknife; in seventh place Sam Perrino of Yellowknife; ninth was Danny Beck from Hay River; 11th was Ernie Campbell from Yellowknife; 12th, Joe Hickes from Baker Lake; 13th, Heather Beck of Yellowknife; 14th, Arthur Beck of Hay River and 19th, Henry Landry from Kakisa. Mr. Speaker, this race goes on for a couple of more days. I would like to wish all the best to the NWT mushers. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 280-13(5): World Championship Dog Mushing Results

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 281-13(5): Literacy Action Day

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to rise today to speak briefly about literacy and the fact that today is Literacy Action Day. As you noted, Mr. Speaker, unfortunately, the Northwest Territories has the lowest rate of literacy in Canada. I think we have done a good job with our children in the high schools and elementary schools in terms of providing an adequate education. I am concerned about literacy as it relates to adults, adult basic education and literacy. Mr.

Speaker, very clearly in the last two years with our deficit reduction, we have not been able to put the kind of resource that are necessary toward this very important initiative. In fact, in the last three years, there have been reductions in both at the territorial and federal level while the demand for the service has gone up.

If the people are not literate, they are handcuffed, Mr. Speaker. They are handcuffed and have a disability which is easily cured with a little education and motivation on their part. It is very critical that we now look to try to reinforce these programs such as basic adult education. When I say basic adult education, I am not speaking about from grades 10 to 12. I am speaking about the people who are in need, from grades level zero to grade 10. There are a significant number of people in that area.

We have a job market opening up, but in order to be able to be competitive, people have to be literate. We have to look, as we move ahead into the 21st century, at how we can bring these people into the workforce, provide them with the skills they need through literacy programs and give support to Education, Culture and Employment to, in fact, provide that very critical service. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 281-13(5): Literacy Action Day

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 282-13(5): The Rising Cost Of Power

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today with regard to concerns from my constituents in regard to the increases to their power bills. Mr. Speaker, in one sector it basically makes a statement that these temporary rates of increases because of the shortfall this government had to incur over the last two years and because of low levels of water and not more usage of diesel fuel for running the power generator in Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, the increases people see, especially in my riding in Fort McPherson. There was an initiative taken to find ways of conserving energy and new ways to save power. Eventually, these savings would go to the people in those communities by seeing decreases in their power rates. Mr. Speaker, I am talking in regard to the Lottery Corporation effort between the Northwest Territories Power Corporation and the Gwich'in Development Corporation, who developed a program to use heat from the Power Corporation and distribute it to different buildings in the community to bring down the cost of heating fuel and usage of power.

Mr. Speaker, later on I would like to ask the Minister a few questions, especially in regard to the process of the NWT Utilities Board, and the hearings which took place and these new rate increases. Is there is a possibility, if not a public outcry, to consider looking at calling for another review, in light of not taking into account the savings that are going to take place from this new initiative in Fort McPherson? My constituents want to know when will they see these savings? Exactly when will it show up on their power bills? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 282-13(5): The Rising Cost Of Power

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 283-13(5): Inuvik High Temperature System

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have raised the issue of Inuvik's high temperature system many times. This system was built back in the days of the federal government and has been handed down to the Government of the Northwest Territories and is managed by the NWT Power Corporation.

The system was built to provide water and sewer services as well as provide heat to many government buildings such as the hospital, schools and government staff houses. Mr. Speaker, since the sale of staff houses, many people have pulled off the system as a cost-saving measure. As people pulled off the system, the revenues dropped. As the revenues dropped, the cost of operating the system was passed on to the remaining customers.

The majority of these customers are government departments. There are, however, a number of private customers who are being severely impacted by the decision to pass the full cost of operating the high temperature system onto the remaining customers.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank Mr. Todd and the Members of Cabinet for agreeing to put forward the dollars to convert the system and bringing it up to the 20th century standards. This will, indeed, help the government departments provide a cost efficient service, but we must also address the issue of private customers affected by these added costs. For example, Mr. Speaker, a private customer on the high temperature system, during the colder months of the year could be paying as much as $1,300 per month for the heat alone. Mr. Speaker, I will be addressing questions to the appropriate Minister at the appropriate time. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 283-13(5): Inuvik High Temperature System

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 284-13(5): Alternate Energy Sources

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to mention a very interesting and beneficial idea that a community in my riding is investigating. The community of Wha Ti is currently investigating the cost effectiveness and the practicality of alternate energy sources for electricity.

It is my understanding the community has met with a company out of Vancouver, which manufacturers low cost turbines that a person anchors into a river bed and ties to the shore. This turbine, apparently, will produce the electricity and is environmentally safe. There are also no apparent ill effects caused to the fish or river, as this turbine only spins at the speed of the current, which allows fish to swim through the turbine.

Mr. Speaker, in this day conservation in all forms is the common practice and I applaud Wha Ti in pursuing alternatives to reduce the high cost of diesel generation for their residents and to also save the environment in doing so. Mr. Speaker, I wish the community the best of luck in this venture and am certain our Power Corporation will provide any assistance they can to ensure this will help the residents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 284-13(5): Alternate Energy Sources

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Member's Statement 285-13(5): Birth Registration And Certification

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will speak in Inuktitut. (Translation) Mr. Speaker, I rise today to talk about birth registration. I have just assisted two of my communities in registering a child's name.

One of the constituents I represent is in their early thirties and the other is in their late twenties. There was a problem that arose with regard to Revenue Canada. When they were filing their income tax returns, if they wanted to travel outside of Canada, they would not be able to get a passport.

I would like to send a message to the new parents today to strongly encourage them to register their children's name with their proper certification so that situations like this will not happen again.

Mr. Speaker, we have to have proper registration ahead of time, so that we will be issued passports when they are needed. When requesting passports you also have to make sure there were no criminal activities involved in the beginning. These types of issues have to be included. (Translation ends)

In conclusion, I would like to thank the Department of Health and Social Services, Vital Statistics Bureau for all of their help in addressing the problems of my constituents. Their professional approach in dealing with the concerns of my constituents is appreciated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 285-13(5): Birth Registration And Certification

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 931

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 286-13(5): Lack Of Police Services

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 931

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to bring the attention of the House to the lack of police services in the outlying communities of Sachs Harbour, Holman Island and Paulatuk.

Mr. Speaker, I will be quoting from a letter I received from Sachs Harbour, which I will table later. Mr. Speaker, Sachs Harbour is 300 miles north of Inuvik. At this time Inuvik is supplying police services to Sachs Harbour. At the best of times, it would take two to six hours for the RCMP to arrive in Sachs Harbour, weather permitting of course. According to the letter, we have been forced to live with the situation of no police presence in the community for more than two years now. Residents have brought to the council's attention their concern of lack of police services and presence in the community.

Council has acted on this concern and recently had a local individual trained in Regina, who is currently employed with the community as a community constable by-law enforcement officer.

Residents still question the safety of our communities. The hamlet council feels with the community constables limited authority as the law enforcement officer, his services alone are not a justifiable solution to the ever increasing criminal activity, much of which is of a violent nature involving firearms. Mr. Speaker, I am sure the Members of this House will agree the residents of Sachs Harbour are entitled to the same level and standards of safety and police protection as any other citizen in Canada. With that, Mr. Speaker, I will be asking the honourable Minister of Justice questions, at the appropriate time on this subject. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 932

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 287-13(5): Literacy Action Day

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 932

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

Literacy Action Day is designed to raise awareness of literacy issues and encourage ongoing support for literacy efforts.

Literacy is an important long-term development issue that affects each and every one of us. It is a sad fact that more than one-third of our adults have a grade 9 education or less. That figure nearly doubles to 60 percent when our focus is narrowed to aboriginal adults. Although more and more young people are finishing high school, the NWT's completion rate remains far lower than that of the rest of Canada. When we look at these numbers, it is no surprise that adult literacy programs are full to bursting, mostly with young adults who have come to realize literacy skills are necessary for holding a decent job.

Yet, the funding for these programs has consistently been cut by both the territorial and federal governments for each of the last three years. Between 70 and 80 percent of adult education students are enroled in programs without base funding, which means they are in tentative year-to-year projects. As the workforce grows and demands for literacy increase, we must be able to meet that demand quickly and effectively. Adult education programs have to receive solid base funding so students can depend on them being there from year to year. It is an investment in all our futures.

People with literary skills can get and hold jobs. This gives them a sense of self-reliance and cuts our social program needs. This is a win-win situation for all northerners and we need to do all we can to ensure its viability and survival. On Literacy Action Day, it is a good time to take stock of what we as a government are doing to promote literacy and continue to come up with ways to improve our services. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Page 932

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 288-13(5): Government Integrity And Credibility

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 932

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe that I have been very clear as to my mission between now and division. I am firmly of the belief that the people of the Northwest Territories are entitled to a government and leaders that they can put their confidence in. I am on a quest or crusade to ensure that this government functions in as open and transparent a fashion as possible. In the days ahead, I will be speaking to the issues which could enhance the credibility of our government. Maybe it is time that we take another critical look at the merits of consensus government versus party politics.

Maybe we need an ombudsman. Maybe we should look at the possibility of a comprehensive audit by the Auditor General prior to division to determine if long-term leases and contracts extending past April 1, 1999 are of good value or a VFM audit, as they are called, and numerous other ideas that I have and have had suggested to me. In response to calls by some Members about getting on with substantive issues, I want to ensure you that I consider the integrity of this government to be a very substantive issue which affects every other issue of this government.

I have shown respect for the decorum and purpose of this House by raising many serious issues reflecting the concerns of many honest northerners. If our government is perceived to lack integrity, this does affect us all and it behooves us all to face it and deal with it. I am doing my part, Mr. Speaker, to get answers and I thank my colleagues who have also been on the credibility trail. To the highly principled other Members who have been very quiet, maybe it is time to get involved.

To all of my colleagues, let us take our two new territories into existence on a ticket of integrity, credibility and equal opportunity for all. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Page 932

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 289-13(5): Literacy Action Day

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

--Applause

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Page 932

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Returns To Oral Question 162-13(5): Details Of Aurora Fund Expenditures

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 932

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mrs. Groenewegen on January 30, 1998 with respect to the details of the Aurora Fund expenditure. In my Minister's statement of January 27, 1998, I stated that approximately $1.5 million was spent on sales fees, marketing expenses and initial start-up costs. The actual amount was $1,351,323. Later today, I will table a document which shows the breakdown of these expenses. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 933

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Return To Oral Question 355-13(5): Number Of Businesses Registered Under Business Initiative Policy

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 933

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is in response to the question asked by Mr. Barnabas on February 17, 1998. It in regard to a number of businesses registered under the Business Incentive Policy. As of February 17, 1998, there was a total of 2,133 northern businesses registered with the business incentive policy monitoring office. The total amount was broken down as follows: in the North Slave, 847; South Slave, 429; Inuvik region, 306; Baffin, 187; Keewatin, 118; Kitikmeot, 69; De Cho. 91; and the Sahtu, 71. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 933

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 933

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am very proud today to stand up and recognize members and the instructor from Mine Tap Training Program from Thebacha Campus of Aurora College. This is a course that was put together with the government and BHP to gear northerners to take apprenticeships in BHP Mine when it is up and running in the next few months. I have in the gallery, Mr. Speaker, the instructor, Mr. Paul Taylor; Craig Johnson, my son-in-law and father of my beautiful granddaughter; Glen Villebrun; George Cummings; Aleide Gagnon; Jason Landry; Ken Mercredi; Rene Mercredi, fine northerners, one and all. Thank you.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 933

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly and good afternoon. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Barnabas .

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Page 933

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is not every day I recognize people from the gallery. I would like to recognize Rhoda Arreak, chairperson from Baffin, Member of Chamber of Commerce and also Russel Arreak, different family, representative of Grise Fiord. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Page 933

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Dent .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 933

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too would like to recognize some members of the Mine Trades Access Program who are from the Yellowknife Campus who are here in the gallery. As the Member for Thebacha was noting, this is a partnership program but he forgot to mention that one of the partners is the Mine Training Committee. Members who are attending at the Yellowknife Campus are: Clayton Smith, Chris Dawe, Tony Dryneck, June Eronchi, Alice Sanderson, Peter Huskey and Patrick Goulet.

--Applause

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Page 933

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Pat Thomas of NWTTA being it is Literacy Day today and also the MLA from Thebacha, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Page 933

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize David Connelly. He is a member of the diamond industry development task force. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 933

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Steen .

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Question 373-13(5): Policing Services In Sachs Harbour

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 933

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today in my Member's statement, I referred to the lack of police presence in the community of Sachs Harbour. I was quoting from a letter I intend to table in the House later. Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Minister of Justice has a copy of it. It says, we must know why the money once committed to police services in Sachs Harbour has now been diverted. Was this justifiable and can the new function of this money take precedence over the safety and the lives of the people in our community.

The people of Sachs Harbour, furthermore, request the staffing of an RCMP police officer on a year-round basis in the community. Can the Minister respond as to the last portion of the question whether or not an RCMP officer would be stationed on a year-round basis in the community of Sachs Harbour? Thank you.

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Question 373-13(5): Policing Services In Sachs Harbour

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 933

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Justice , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 373-13(5): Policing Services In Sachs Harbour

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that is the same letter that the Member provided to myself and the Department of Justice, one which I have passed on to the chief superintendent of the RCMP. As I understand it, the RCMP is drafting together a response, but as we have been discussing the last few days, the RCMP is not immune to the shortage of funds that all government agencies have been experiencing over the past few years. I understand that although there have been no visible or net cuts to the budget, there have been no increases either.

Therefore, the amount of forced-growth in the RCMP expenses, such things as benefits, travel and other expenses, have continued to increase while the budget has stayed the same. Therefore, you have the effect of the RCMP having to cut back services in some areas. Having said that, we have been discussing other options such as a

Community Constable Program. I am looking forward to the response from the RCMP, which I will pass on to the Member. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Steen .

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Question 373-13(5): Policing Services In Sachs Harbour

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 934

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the community referred to the Community Constable Program which they undertook and obviously residents were not feeling that this was adequate police protection in light of the amount of increased crime that has been taking place in the community. One of the things mentioned, Mr. Speaker, by the community was the increase in bootlegging, drug trafficking and drug use, which contributes toward serious crime. My next question to the Minister, Mr.

Speaker, would be, I understand the RCMP is going to be responding to the community, but I wonder if there is still opportunity for the RCMP or the Department of Justice to actually go and discuss the problem face to face with the community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 373-13(5): Policing Services In Sachs Harbour

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 373-13(5): Policing Services In Sachs Harbour

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 934

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The answer is yes. I can certainly arrange for the Department of Justice and the RCMP to go to the community and speak with them. We have our community policing coordinator, at this moment, in another community in the Beaufort Delta area doing that exact thing. I wanted to indicate too that we are as concerned as the community and the MLA is about the level of crime and law enforcement. We take the concerns very seriously that have been brought forward to myself by the Member to the Department of Justice recently. I will make arrangements for the Department of Justice officials and possibly with the RCMP to go to the community to talk about possible solutions.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Steen .

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Question 373-13(5): Policing Services In Sachs Harbour

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 934

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to thank the honourable Minister for that response. I will be looking forward to a copy of his correspondence to the community. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 374-13(5): Long Distance Telephone Competition

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 934

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister Responsible for Public Works and Services . Earlier this week the Minister had indicated that the Government of the NWT had made a presentation to the CRTC in relation to the long distance rates in the Northwest Territories regarding opening up competition for long distance in the north. I would like to know whether the Minister can elaborate on whether or not the presentation supported or went against opening competition in the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories' presentation with the CRTC regarding long distance competition was in favour of long distance competition starting immediately. However, we also support a subsidy for provision of local services in the high cost areas, and we need the protection of the service we are currently provided by NorthwesTel to the smallest community, at the same time. The Northwest Territories local rates are among the lowest in Canada. Local rates are rising to be more in line with the cost to provide the service and rates charged in southern Canada.

Shifting the balance of local and long distance rates will reduce overall telephone costs. The majority of the customers in the north will lower long distance rates which could increase economic development. Taking all these factors into account, the Government of the Northwest Territories has supported increases to local rates with a strong recommendation to the CRTC to explore subsidies for the north. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 374-13(5): Long Distance Telephone Competition

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, long distance competition will not occur for a couple of years yet, but NorthwesTel is being allowed to increase its rates in August, and again next year. Will NorthwesTel not be getting a windfall for a couple of years prior to the long distance competition actually coming into force? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. NorthwesTel will not be allowed to make any extra revenue from the changes. This is part of the CRTC's control on NorthwesTel. There is a restriction on the amount of profit they can make. In this case, the rules are the new revenues from the higher local rates must equal the lower revenues from decreasing long distance rates. In this way, the CRTC puts restrictions on NorthwesTel. Even if we have to wait for long distance competition to come into effect, NorthwesTel will not be making windfall profits from its higher local rates for the next two years. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand in the smaller centres there is not enough revenue coming from those local rates to actually fully support the phone system there. At the same time, people on limited incomes have to have phones, particularly, for emergency services. Is there any potential relief on rates for those people in the smaller communities? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are going to be hearings that CRTC will have, starting in May through June. At these hearings, presentations will be made and will explore the need to have a high cost serving area fund in Canada. There will be a move for all telephone companies in Canada to contribute to a fund. This fund would help telephone companies support areas in the country where cost of providing local service is very high. This would help lower local rates over the long term. There is a move toward all these telephone companies in Canada contributing toward a fund that would be there to help these people who are unfortunate, if the costs of telephones are too high. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister indicated there will be further hearings. Could the Minister elaborate on these hearings in the north, particularly where and when they are going to be held and who is allowed to speak at them?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand there will be a hearing in only one place in the Northwest Territories which would be in Iqaluit on June 25th. NorthwesTel has asked the CRTC to establish video conferencing to link people from Yellowknife for this hearing and to also establish audio links from some of the other centres, like Hay River, Inuvik, Rankin Inlet and Cambridge Bay.

There are other regional hearings. Each of them will last for just one day. They have been scheduled for other parts of the country. The other one in the north would be Whitehorse and throughout the rest of the country. Who would be able to speak? Anybody who could make a presentation in Iqaluit or if the video link up is done from Yellowknife, there would be opportunity for people from Yellowknife to participate in that video link up. There will also be audio link ups from these other communities I mentioned, so anybody that is interested could take that opportunity. This government will be making an oral statement at the Iqaluit hearing, as well as making a variety of written submissions.

At the last CRTC hearing, for your information, that was held in Yellowknife, there were very little political presentations made at that time. MLAs, if you are interested, I would like to encourage you, as well as community groups, businesses and mainly the general public, to take

part in the CRTC process. You could do it either through the regional hearings or through written submissions. Thank you.

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Question 375-13(5): Purpose Of The Low Water Surcharge

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My question is to the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation. In regard to my Member's statement, there were concerns from my constituents who have been calling me about a temporary rate which is in place because of a shortfall over the last two years, especially, the people with homes. They are the ones seeing the rate increase in their power bills. Could the Minister clarify what is the purpose of that and what is happening in regard to that item?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the low water surcharge was a charge that has been in effect for the past couple of years as the Member has noted. Three million dollars for that surcharge was collected from residents of the Snare system and $1 million was collected from residents of communities all across the Northwest Territories. The impact on residential rates for any individual across the territories has been relatively small. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell me when do they expect this rate to be done away with in regard to the present condition we find ourselves, where there are no real increases in usage of fuel this year?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that next month's bills will be the last ones on which the surcharge appears. Starting in April, the surcharge will not

appear in communities.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister or his department make a public statement on this in regard to some press release or something that can go out in the newspaper so people are aware this will be concluded and they will no longer see it on their power bill? Maybe you could give them some comfort.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A press release may have already gone out. However, I will check with the Power Corporation and ensure that one is sent out at the end of the surcharge. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding the public hearing process, I mentioned. There are initiatives such as the AADRII Corporation in Fort McPherson where they have found a new way of possibly saving customers money in the long run, bringing down the rates in the communities that make such an effort to try such an initiative. Is there a possibility of these initiatives coming into effect sooner than the present timeframe because of the latest Public Utility Board hearings?

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Thank you. I will rule the question out of order. It is a new question. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi . The Minister provided information to Members today regarding canine distemper. My honourable colleague, Mr. Erasmus , spoke earlier today about the credit that comes to the north and particularly Yellowknife, with some professional dog mushers who have animals that mush on a professional basis. There are also numerous pet owners. My question to the Minister is, I understand where the disease comes from, but how is it transmitted from community to community?

I understand it is a problem at the present time in some communities in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not certain I know how the disease is transported from community-to-community. I have always gone on the assumption that it is dog-to-dog, but I shall have a scientific response for the Member and I will share it with him. Thank you.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have part of it right, from dog-to-dog, but I just noticed the Minister in his note to Ordinary Members has identified there have been reported cases in Repulse Bay, Gjoa Haven, Cambridge Bay, Pond Inlet, Clyde River, Arctic Bay and Resolute Bay. I do not think the dogs are travelling that far. In cases such as this, I suspect it is going to be transmitted by foot. Does the department have any policy or would they consider producing some type of an advertising campaign making pet owners aware of the potential for this disease and providing the means they can take to prevent this within their own animals? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our department has been working with Municipal and Community Affairs and municipal councils in an effort to address the difficulties and the problems that have arisen as a result of what you might call an outbreak. I am not even sure that is an accurate word to use, but part of our problem is we are not clear who is responsible for addressing this problem.

In most cases, it is the responsibility taken on by municipalities, but we are down to even quibbling about who is responsible for paying for the shots that have to be administered, where the money should come from and who should be carrying out the vaccinations. I have asked my department to simply take the lead in making sure the job is done and sort out the details of who should be carrying this on as a normal practice and responsibility, later on. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . It is in relation to local district education authorities. In Fort Smith a request has been made to the Minister by the band and Metis to look at moving from an elected to a permanent board. This issue also came up in my constituency meeting a while back. I indicated, in my opinion, it was an issue that had to be addressed through the DEA and at the community level, through an extensive consultation process before any further steps could take place. However, I would like the Minister to clarify the process that would be required, if in fact any changes were going to be made to the

board structure? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the first instance, the requirement is that a petition be submitted to myself for consideration. The department and I would review the request and determine whether any further consultation was required. That consultation could be in the form of a plebiscite, a public meeting or resolutions from the DEA. There is no set formula for what the consultation could be. It would depend entirely on the situation of the individual community and our assessment of what would demonstrate there being clear public support. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate to this House on the issue of the petition as to how many signatures are required? Is it a percentage of the population? Is it three names? Is it 25 percent of the ratepayers on the electoral list? Could the Minister please elaborate, since it is a critical first step? Thank you.

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Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the number is 50 names on the petition but I will provide the Member with the correct number if that is not, in fact, the requirement.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate what he sees or what is the role of the DEA in this process? Do they have a role to play in terms of garnering the community feedback? Do they handle the consultation process? Is there a function for the current elected board in this process? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 937

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is no process outlined specifically in the Education Act. It is left to the discretion of the Minister. Would the DEA have a role in this? I would say, yes, because the DEA is made up of elected officials. Therefore, having been elected by the population of the community, I would take them to be representatives of the population. They would have to be involved in some way. Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 377-13(5): Appointment Of District Education Authority

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate in terms of process, since it is not clearly laid out, how would the Minister respond to a petition of 50 names? Would he be prepared to act on that alone or would he, in the case of Fort Smith, ensure thorough public consultation did take place? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

I will rule the question out of order. It is hypothetical. Oral questions. Mr. Rabesca .

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Question 378-13(5): Policy On Alternative Energy Sources

Item 6: Oral Questions

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, you may recall in my Member's statement today regarding Wha Ti and their quest for alternative energy sources. My question to the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation is what is the policy the Power Corporation is using in regard to alternative energy sources? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Power Corporation is always interested in alternate energy. The driving force for most decisions by the Power Corporation is, of course, cost. Because of the high cost of power in the north, we work to find the lowest cost means of power. The Power Corporation is always willing to look at alternate energy sources.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Rabesca .

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was trying to get more information as to whether the Power Corporation would assist the community of Wha Ti to see if this initiative is viable? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Power Corporation would welcome the opportunity to investigate any opportunity or any chance of alternate energy that could be used. The Corporation, for instance, has met with the community of Lutselk'e to discuss a run of river project close to their community. I see no reason why the Power Corporation would not be interested in discussing this with the community of Wha Ti.

Given our relationship with the Dogrib Power Corporation, we would probably want to tie them into the project as well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 379-13(5): Update On National Unity Issue

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 938

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, earlier this week the GNWT made a submission on the ongoing national unity question debate at the Supreme Court, I believe. I think this government was represented by Mr. Funston. Could the Premier update us on that situation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Funston is forcefully, and with integrity, defending the borders of the Northwest Territories and all members of this House should applaud his efforts. As they say, our borders are frozen. Quebec cannot move them north. Mr. Funston does represent us. We have an intervener on the whole issue that has gone to the Supreme Court of Canada on Quebec being able to unilaterally declare sovereignty through Quebec. Mr. Funston does represent us on contract to represent our government. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understood that Mr. Funston was, indeed, representing the Government of the Northwest Territories. I was wondering if that was a slight contradiction in what had happened in this House before Christmas, when this House supported in motion form and debated the Calgary Declaration which then appeared before the Supreme Court on this issue. Does the Premier see both of those things in conjunction? Is that a contradiction, Mr. Speaker, the one main point being in favour of the Calgary Declaration, the other one appearing saying that Quebec does not have the opportunity, legally or whatever to take itself out of the federation?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Can I ask the Member to rephrase the question? You cannot ask for particulars about a proceeding which is in the courts right now. Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, how was this decision made to have Mr. Funston represent us at the Supreme Court? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The decision was made by us, as Cabinet, to hire Mr. Funston on contract. We looked around and we knew what Mr. Funston's credentials are. He is one of the most sought over constitutional experts in this country. Many other provincial jurisdictions as well as the federal jurisdiction would like to hire Mr. Funston. Mr. Funston is still committed to working with the Northwest Territories through contracted services. Mr. Funston was raised in the Northwest Territories, Fort Smith, Thebacha, which has produced many fine people. We are very lucky to have him. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was not questioning the credibility or the legal skills of Mr. Funston. Mr. Speaker, the reason behind my question, of course, was the jurisdictional concern of the Northwest Territories in this regard. That was the adjacent islands that are in Hudson Bay and James Bay and the effect of those. That is my question. I would ask the Premier , is that the representation this government is presenting that if, indeed, Quebec had separated, would they not have a claim on those islands? Was that what the Premier tried to explain in his opening comment? That was my question. Is that the reason why we were there? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I have to rule the question out of order. You are asking for an opinion that has not been determined yet in the courts and cannot be determined until the proceedings are over. I am sorry. The question is out of order. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 380-13(5): High Temperature Heating System Costs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 938

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement, I raised the concerns of the high temperature system and its impact on the private citizens of Inuvik.

Mr. Speaker, as I said we are thankful. The community of Inuvik is thankful to Cabinet and Mr. Todd for coming forward with the money to change over the system, but there is an impact being felt by residents of Inuvik who are still on the system.

Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned, I have a couple of copies of bills from residents who are on the system. When you include their electrical bill along with their heating bill and water, they are paying out in a month $1,700 to $1,800 which is absolutely ridiculous. Compared to other constituencies, and I spoke to Mr. Miltenberger from Thebacha, he pays on average $36 a month for his water and sewer and $120 for his electrical. Although some would suggest we move further south, Inuvik is a good place to live. We just have to bring our technology up to current levels and efficiencies.

My concern, again, is for the private residents. There are not too many left on the system. It costs them approximately between $15,000 to $20,000 to convert. Right now, there are a number of them still paying out these monthly bills in the winter season. My question is directed to the Minister of FMBS. I brought this issue up before, but I would like to know if there is anything this government can do to lessen the impact of the system that was handed down from past governments, to lessen the impact on these peoples' pocket books? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 939

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do appreciate my honourable colleague's kind words. It is not often you get them in this House. Thank you. Secondly, my understanding is we are not looking at a large number of people, somewhere around eight or nine domestic tenants or clients, if you want to call them. I will address the problem tomorrow morning with my deputy minister and see if we can reach, as quickly as possible, an appropriate course of action that will ensure these costs that have been outlined to me and shown by my honourable colleague, Mr. Roland , are adjusted to reflect the affordability aspect as it relates to those eight or nine people. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of individuals who have been pulled off the system this summer when they heard the rate increase was 125 percent. Hopefully, the Minister will look at all individuals who were impacted by the rate increase. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

We put a considerable amount of money, as my honourable colleague has said in his statement, into that system to try to convert some of the commercial users. It is in the millions, I understand. Millions. We will take a hard look at the domestic users who are still on the system. I will try to work with my colleague as quickly as we can to solve the problem and have the conversion done, so that everybody has an affordable heating system in their house. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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