Debates of Feb. 21st, 1994

This is page numbers 243 - 273 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Youth Initiatives Display

Absence Of Mr. James Arvaluk

Michif Conference

Pauktuutit Inuit Women's Association Agm

Heritage Day

Alcohol And Drug Counsellors' Training

Michif Conference

Illaut Investments Incorporated

Constituents' Concerns Re Rental Increases

Purpose Of Meetings Attended By Premier

Arctic College Position On Nechi Institute Training Program

Development Of Financial Assistance Policy For Students Attending School Outside Nwt

Notification Prior To Rental Increases

Treaty 8 People's Takeover Of Delivery Of Programs And Services

Report On Finance Ministers' Meeting Re Duplication Of Programs

Wage Parity For Employees In Non-government Facilities

Annual Increase For Students' Living Allowances

Premier's Support For Treaty 8 And 11 Chiefs

Review Of Pol Rates

Reason For Community Deficits

Community Justice System Initiative

Status Of Heritage Day In The Nwt

Revert Back To Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 9: Replies To Budget Address

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1994-95Committee Report 2-12(5): Review Of The 1994-95 Main Estimates

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Thank you. Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister of Social Services and Personnel, Ms. Mike .

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Minister's Statement 22-12(5): Youth Initiatives Display

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Madam Speaker, the purpose of the youth initiative program is to strengthen the capacity of youth to lead and find solutions to problems and issues affecting youth. The program provides contribution and grant funding to allow youth the opportunity to plan, implement and participate in programs and services to youth.

The goal of the program is to provide the youth of NWT with the tools and resources necessary to develop their leadership potential, enhance their cultural and traditional awareness, instill self-esteem and confidence and learn the value of working together. The Department of Social Services is pleased to present a display of the youth initiative program in the lobby of the Legislative Assembly. The Government of the Northwest Territories recognizes that we must enhance the role of youth in the NWT by encouraging their active participation in projects, initiatives and special events that will assist in developing their personal potential and developing leadership and advocacy skills.

Madam Speaker, a total of 39 projects received funding this fiscal year. They include cultural camps, youth drop-in centres, outdoor leadership training programs, youth gospel conferences and attendance at school alcohol and drug conferences. The display shows communities that received funding for the 1993-94 fiscal year. I urge you to take a few moments to visit the display.

Also, Madam Speaker, a group of young people representing Generation 2000, a national group, and Youth On The Move, an NWT group established to promote healthy lifestyles and well-being for youth in the north, are present today at the display to promote their mandate. They are also holding presentations in local schools in Yellowknife throughout this week. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 22-12(5): Youth Initiatives Display

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The speaker would like to recognize in the gallery the youth who are in charge of the display, Youth 2000. Welcome to our Assembly.

---Applause

Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Absence Of Mr. James Arvaluk

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I would like to inform Members of this House that the honourable Member for Aivilik , Mr. James Arvaluk , will not be in the House today as he is attending a meeting of the Keewatin Marine Resupply Steering Committee in Rankin Inlet. Mr. Arvaluk will be back in the House tomorrow. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Absence Of Mr. James Arvaluk

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. For the first time today I will speak to you in my mother tongue. Last Sunday I was at a conference in Yellowknife with the Metis Association, the heritage conference. The conference was to examine the Metis language. We were told it was called Michif...

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Absence Of Mr. James Arvaluk

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

I apologize, Mr. Whitford . I believe Mr. Pudlat does not have translation. Mr. Whitford , proceed.

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Michif Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I said for the first time in this Assembly that I would speak a little bit of my mother tongue. The language is called Michif. This Sunday, I attended a conference put on by the Metis Heritage Association on the language Michif, the language of the Metis people. It was attended by Metis elders from Fort Smith, Hay River, Fort Resolution, Fort Simpson, Fort Norman and Yellowknife, as well as facilitators from the province of Manitoba and from North Dakota in the United States.

This weekend I learned that a language of the Metis people evolved, flourished and still exists in small pockets across the west and here in the NWT, particularly along the Slave/Mackenzie river systems and where there was influence of French-speaking nuns, priests and traders. Michif was the working language of the Metis people and the voyageurs, and appears to be a combination of French-Cree, French-Chip, French-Ojibway and other languages with a french base. I seek unanimous consent to continue, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Whitford .

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Michif Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Madam Speaker, this weekend's conference was the second one of its kind in three years and the first one in the NWT, as I understand it. It brought together elders who still remember speaking the dialect in their families, and many still do. Among the many items discussed was the origin, the evolution and the decline in use as well as the efforts by some Metis to preserve and perhaps revive this language, much like the Acadians on the east coast and the Cajuns in Louisiana in the United States.

Madam Speaker, to conclude, I enjoyed the conference and look forward to the next one. I felt comfortable talking my own version of French in company who understood. We had some fun, like Metis people usually do when we get together. I'm not sure whether Michif will ever become an official language in this Assembly but in the rich cultural background of Metis people of the west, it was and may still be an important part of our heritage. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for the High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .

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Pauktuutit Inuit Women's Association Agm

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to take this opportunity to acknowledge an important gathering that is taking place at this time in Iqaluit. The Pauktuutit Inuit Women's Association is holding its annual general assembly starting today, February 21, and ending on February 25. Inuit women from all over Canada will meet to discuss important issues and projects affecting Inuit women and children today. Projects on justice, health and housing, to name only a few, will be reviewed. They will also discuss a code of conduct and economic development.

Madam Speaker, this year's assembly promises to be an exciting one as Pauktuutit also has a fashion show planned for February 24 that will showcase Inuit traditional clothing. Inuit traditional fashion from every region in Canada will be represented, and producers from Alaska, Greenland and Russia are also invited to participate. I would like to express my support to Pauktuutit in their endeavours. I am sure that their assembly will be productive as well as memorable. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Pauktuutit Inuit Women's Association Agm

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Heritage Day

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I was going to make a statement last Tuesday, which was Shrove Tuesday, but I realized that we have so many dates on our calendar that have significance and meaning to them that you could stand up on almost any day of the year and find it is a special day for some reason or another. Instead of talking about going to the priest last Tuesday and asking to be forgiven for all my sins and then having pancakes -- which would be the last good meal I would have for 40 days, until Easter -- I decided people don't do this any more. That is not what people do on Shrove Tuesday.

However, today is a very important day which is meaningful to many of us because it is Heritage Day. It strikes me that in this great country of ours, and particularly in the Northwest Territories where we have so many cultures, it would be an opportunity for us to do something rather special, something different. Instead of just marking it on the calendar and saying this is Heritage Day, we should be doing things within our own society, within our own country, within our own language, which are meaningful right now, today.

The calendar is full of dates that have been set aside by the Christian church and there has been a great civilizing influence throughout the centuries, but many of these customs and traditions are not really part of everyday life in the way we know it today. I would like to urge people today to reflect on this matter. Many of the challenges that we face relate to the fact that we are from different backgrounds, different histories and different cultures, and the challenge for us to live together may be to find respect for the way people look at the world.

We could all live together more fully, I suppose, if we really appreciated the kind of cultural baggage we bring with us, the history we bring with us, so that by looking forward, we can solve the problems ahead. I would particularly urge the Minister of Education and Culture to look at this to see if in future we could do something definite, just more than simply observe it on the calendar. Thank you very much, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Heritage Day

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Alcohol And Drug Counsellors' Training

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I rise today to express some concerns which have been brought to my attention. These relate to the acknowledgement and use of the various types of training taken by alcohol and drug counsellors. I believe that this government has adopted a philosophy of standardizing the training of alcohol and drug counsellors in the Northwest Territories. To achieve this, this government is also using the exclusive services of Arctic College to develop and deliver this program.

Madam Speaker, there are many alcohol and drug programs in the Northwest Territories, and all are committed to the growth, development and training of their workers. However, there are many counsellors, especially ones in the western Arctic, who have been trained through the Nechi Institute on Alcohol and Drugs, in Alberta. These workers are convinced that the training provided by Nechi is more appropriate than that now provided by Arctic College. Therein lies the dilemma.

This government does not recognize and will not assist in sponsoring alcohol and drug counsellors to complete their training through the Nechi Institute. Some of the concerns raised about the current program at Arctic College reflect the reliability, availability and consistency of its courses. Also of concern is the lack of spiritual and cultural components of the programs and, finally, the setting and environment in which courses are delivered.

Madam Speaker, the ultimate objective of our alcohol and drug programs is to assist the people who are ill and in need, and to do this we need properly trained and equipped counsellors. Thus, it would seem beneficial to utilize the various programs and learned people who can help achieve these goals, no matter where they are trained. Our population is so small and the need so huge that we should accept help from whatever source we can. Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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Alcohol And Drug Counsellors' Training

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The Speaker

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Continue, Mr. Koe .

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Alcohol And Drug Counsellors' Training

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. Madam Speaker, I hope this government will review their position on this issue and will use the service and training provided by the Nechi Institute to help deal with our biggest problem in the north, the abuse of alcohol and drugs. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Thank you. Members' statements. The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo .

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Michif Conference

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This weekend I attended part of the very interesting conference here in Yellowknife organized by the Metis Nation and the Metis Heritage Association. I want to thank them for their efforts, especially Bren Kolson and Mr. McSwain, from Rae-Edzo, who organized the conference. Also, thanks to Education, Culture and Employment for funding this conference.

There are many varieties of Michif French -- as my colleague from Yellowknife South mentioned -- but the word is pronounced in a different way. There are also Michif Cree in which all the nouns or names for things are in Cree and all the verbs or action words are in French. There is also Michif spoken in Manitoba. We were trying to determine if the Michif here in the Northwest Territories is different, which is French mixed with Dene languages. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Thank you. Very well timed. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Illaut Investments Incorporated

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. There is a group of Inuit in Coppermine who have established a local development corporation, Illaut Investments Incorporated. On Wednesday, February 16, the shareholders held their first annual general meeting. Madam Speaker, this group of individuals has been struggling since early 1992 to establish itself. During my election campaign in early 1993, I was asked and agreed to support and assist the group. Since late last year, I have actively become involved in providing advice and encouragement to them.

These individuals are long-term residents of Coppermine who have developed a desire, like many other aboriginal people in the NWT, to become involved in the private sector. The shareholders have invested $500 each, which may not seem to be a lot of money to some of us who have well-paying employment, however, to many of these shareholders, becoming involved in business for the first time, the $500 investment of their hard-earned and limited financial resources is a major financial commitment.

Madam Speaker, the Honourable Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , through his department, has now provided funds for a consultant to work with the group, to develop a work plan and identify possible business ventures which the group can possibly become involved in.

The shareholders have committed to a long-term investment. In fact, these investments are not for themselves but, they are hoping, for the benefit of their children and grandchildren. These individuals are not trying to get rich overnight or disrupt any existing businesses. They are only asking for the opportunity, as a broad-base of local individuals, to become involved in a small way in the business sector of their own community.

Madam Speaker, I urge the government to support any reasonable initiative that comes forward from this and any other group which shows a broad community-base of involvement and the initiative to pool and risk their own resources. The newly elected executive of Illaut Investments Incorporated are: Mrs. Elizabeth Joss-MacDonald, president; Mrs. Joanne Taptuna, vice-president, Mrs. Annie Kellegok, treasurer, Ms. Rosie Kagak, secretary. I congratulate these ladies and the rest of the board members elected to pursue the interests of all the shareholders.

Madam Speaker, I will be absent from this House on Tuesday and part of Wednesday in order to meet with the consultant and the new board of directors in continuation of my support for their efforts. Thank you.

---Applause

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Illaut Investments Incorporated

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Constituents' Concerns Re Rental Increases

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. My statement today will be regarding the rental rate review for public housing in the NWT. Madam Speaker, my constituents, most of whom live in public housing units, are very concerned about possible rent increases. The housing association in Lake Harbour, for example, informed me that their tenants are extremely worried about how they will be able to afford their rent, along with the very high cost of living in that community. They have not been officially notified, but the general assumption is that the rents will be increased significantly.

They have instructed me to resist any such increases. The local housing associations are also under pressure from tenants not to increase rents. I am also very concerned with the very high cost of living, especially the high cost of food, and how increased rents would have a very negative impact on many of my people.

I am aware of the difficult position that the Minister of Housing has been put in by the CMHC, but the legitimate concerns of public housing tenants must be heard and responded to. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Constituents' Concerns Re Rental Increases

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Question 152-12(5): Purpose Of Meetings Attended By Premier

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I understand that the Premier attended meetings over the weekend with the Minister of Indian Affairs and representatives of the Treaty 8 group. I wonder if the Premier could advise the House of the purpose of these meetings.

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Question 152-12(5): Purpose Of Meetings Attended By Premier

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Question 152-12(5): Purpose Of Meetings Attended By Premier

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The initial request for us to travel to Edmonton was from the Treaty 8 Nation, who asked us if we would go down in support of them at the beginning of their negotiations on their land entitlement. They also wished that a parallel negotiation process be put in place to discuss programs and services to Treaty 8 people in the Northwest Territories. The Minister of Indian Affairs, Mr. Irwin, was conducting a series of meetings with all Treaty 8 people across Alberta and had set up a generous amount of time to meet with the Treaty 8 of the Northwest Territories. They requested that we be there in support of getting their negotiations going.

While we were down there, we also asked to have a meeting with the Minister of Indian Affairs in relation to setting up a process to deal with our overall financial arrangements for the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Question 152-12(5): Purpose Of Meetings Attended By Premier

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Supplementary To Question 152-12(5): Purpose Of Meetings Attended By Premier

Question 152-12(5): Purpose Of Meetings Attended By Premier

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the Premier just mentioned that the meetings were with the intent of setting up a parallel negotiating system with the territories and the federal government. Could the Premier advise this House whether she committed to that parallel process with Treaty 8 representatives?

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Supplementary To Question 152-12(5): Purpose Of Meetings Attended By Premier

Question 152-12(5): Purpose Of Meetings Attended By Premier

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Thank you. Madam Premier .

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Further Return To Question 152-12(5): Purpose Of Meetings Attended By Premier

Question 152-12(5): Purpose Of Meetings Attended By Premier

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. There were many people at those meetings with Mr. Irwin, and he had gone through at least a month of steady sessions before he got to the meetings with Treaty 8. We are attempting to get the federal government to deal with that outstanding issue. We did commit that we would be willing to go on a working group if the process could be established. I would like to refer a further explanation of this question, Madam Speaker, if it is permissible, to the Minister responsible for Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs .

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Unfortunately, I don't believe our rules allow for one question to be directed to two Ministers to answer. Unless Mr. Dent asks this question to the Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs Minister, our rules do not allow it. Supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I may follow up with the Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs later. Could the Premier advise the House if she is aware of any commitments made by Mr. Irwin to Treaty 8, to get the process under way that Treaty 8 representatives were looking for?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, it appears that the Minister wants to begin some type of process. I don't think it is quite clear from our discussion exactly what that process will be. The federal government of the day is committing to respective inherent rights and also aboriginal self-government. The suggestion was that perhaps Treaty 8 could be part of the overall review regarding the parameters of those two phrases, but that would take a whole year to do.

The Minister did, without our provocation, state that he was interested in a one-window approach to deal with the treaty land entitlement and self-government. But I don't think it was very clear to us exactly how he was going to approach that, although he indicated that if we formed a working group, we could work toward what that process would be to allow Treaty 8 to proceed with their claim. I don't think I can clearly say to the honourable Member that there was a great deal of clarity. We did commit to support a process to try to deal with it and get it on the table. Thank you.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Will the Premier commit to this House that she will keep the Constitutional Development Steering Committee in the West fully informed of all developments that may take place in terms of negotiations with Treaty 8 on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories?

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Madam Speaker, I think it would be in our very best interests to do so, yes.

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Question 153-12(5): Arctic College Position On Nechi Institute Training Program

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . In my Member's statement today I mentioned a concern raised by some people in the western Arctic about training provided by the Nechi Institute on Alcohol and Drugs. My question to the Minister is, has this issue been reviewed and what is Arctic College's position on the training program provided by the Nechi Institute for Alcohol and Drugs as compared to the program run by Arctic College? Mahsi.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. There has been no position taken by Arctic College, per se. They are a delivery agent for training on behalf of our government. They're not involved in the philosophical decisions of this government.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

It is recognized though, that Arctic College does deliver a program to train alcohol and drug counsellors and I believe it's supposed to be standardized across the Northwest Territories. That is a government policy and philosophy. My question to the Minister is, does this government then recognize the training that people have taken through the Nechi Institute and the equivalency of those programs and training to the courses at Arctic College?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. There is an

interpretation of how one recognizes a particular course. I want to inform the Members that there is only really one institution, I believe, at present -- I'm not aware of any others -- and that is the University of Alaska that makes recognition of the Nechi program. Our attempt to develop an alcohol and drug counselling program in the NWT, through Arctic College, is to associate it with other post-secondary institutions in Canada where you can continue in a program to receive a degree. That is where we're at, at this particular juncture.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. Arctic College's alcohol and drug program is fairly new and is trying to be enhanced. What changes are being made to include some of the spiritual and cultural components that Nechi has into the alcohol and drug programs provided by Arctic College?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I will just indicate that many appropriate changes can be accommodated to respond to the training needs and cultural differences of the residents of the Northwest Territories. What seems to be the big debate at this particular time between a number of communities is whether they want to participate in

the northern training program or whether they want to continue in the Nechi program. That is the crux of the problem. My suggestion to the residents of the Northwest Territories is to help Arctic College develop a program that is more responsive to these needs, including spiritual and cultural requirements, in the northern training program. We would be prepared to consider these program changes if necessary.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I thank the Minister for that response. I assume, though, that Arctic College programs for alcohol and drug treatment are delivered in central locations. Is Arctic College willing to look at delivering the alcohol and drug counsellor training programs at some of our alcohol and drug treatment centres?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Any of those considerations could be made by Arctic College and by the department, but I would be a bit cautious about indicating to the honourable Member in the affirmative until we see what the design of the program is. I think we could consider the concept, as with the teacher education program where we run it on a community by community basis, with modules being run in a central location. There is nothing to suggest we can't consider that.

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Question 154-12(5): Development Of Financial Assistance Policy For Students Attending School Outside Nwt

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education . The Minister knows that there are quite a few students attending school outside the NWT, and there is no policy to guide the parents on what sort of financial assistance they can gather if schooling is available in their community or region. I would like to ask the Minister if the department is drafting a policy that would address those students attending school outside the NWT.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The basic policy we've adopted as a government is to deliver our education programs in the NWT. It is not my intention to promote the idea of not developing the educational system. While I understand the issue the honourable Member is raising, I think our main focus should be developing quality educational programs in the NWT. That's our first priority and that's the approach I'm taking at this point in time.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Madam Speaker, I don't dispute that the quality of education in the community is going to improve. I believe it is still improving and it will continue to do so for a long time. For those students who are interested in taking courses that are not available in their community or region, would the Minister be willing to develop a policy to address that sort of requirement? These students are mostly very bright. I know the first priority of the Minister, his staff and Cabinet is to educate our kids to the fullest.

There are students who are very bright, and the courses they want to take are not available in their communities or regions so their parents are sending them out. Is the Minister willing to support developing a policy that would address those particular students? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am prepared to consider the idea but I'm not going to suggest to the Member that I'm going to support a policy of that nature. I would rather, if I could suggest, support a programming initiative in the Northwest Territories that would respond to those students. I would be very careful about how a policy that is being suggested by the honourable Member is considered or, for that matter, implemented. It could mean that a lot of students or parents could find ways to suggest that their child could qualify for a program of that nature.

It's no different than the student residence/home boarding policy. Once you make a change to it and allow options, then it seems to fall apart. I would be very careful about that, but I will consider the comments that are being made by the honourable Member.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Would the Minister agree with me, in sending a certain group of students outside the Northwest Territories may cost the government less money? Madam Speaker, recently I received a letter from the Minister saying that in order to send a student from Pond Inlet to Iqaluit to attend high school, it costs this government $24,000 a year. I have a student in a southern institution whose parents are paying all of the costs and it's not as much as that. Would the Minister agree with me that in some cases it will cost this government less to send the students outside? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would not argue with the point that is being made by the honourable Member, however, the concept of building an educational system in the Northwest Territories is expensive no matter how we look at it. Our first commitment is to build a quality educational system in the north. That's our first priority.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. A little while ago I made a Member's statement with regard to the rental increases. This question is directed to the Minister of Housing . In the Baffin South region, in my constituency and other communities, there is a review being done with regard to rental increases. I have been getting a lot of phone calls from my constituents that if the rents are increased they will have a hardship. Madam Speaker, my question is, before the approval of the rental increases, would the Minister please notify the communities just before the rental increases become effective? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The process for reviewing the rental structure in the Northwest Territories for the Housing Corporation is, right now we're out in the communities gathering all the information from your constituents. Once the information is documented, then the Member will be informed of how it would effect his riding, also the community will be informed. A new rental structure will be discussed through the advisory committee, through Cabinet and through Members of the Assembly, then the community will be informed. There will be no adjustments for rent until 90 days after the process has all gone through. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs . I was wondering if the Minister could advise us whether at the meetings this weekend or at any prior time, if there have been any discussions with Treaty 8 representatives which might lead to their taking over delivery of services similar to what is taking place under the community transfer initiative. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, Treaty 8 had indicated to the Government Leader in meetings a few weeks ago, that they were interested in exploring options through which they could take over programs and services for their own members. The Government Leader and myself had indicated that the community transfer initiative does not lend itself to the kind of programs and services that they want to deliver, simply because we don't have the legislative capacity to set up programs and services specifically for aboriginal people.

The best recourse for them would be to discuss it with the federal government since they have that legislative power, and that we would support them in setting up discussions with the federal government to explore options or ways in which this could be negotiated with the view of Treaty 8 making that offer to their members respectively. Thank you.

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Question 157-12(5): Report On Finance Ministers' Meeting Re Duplication Of Programs

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance , and it's to deal with a meeting that the Minister attended in January. A meeting that was put together of the federal Intergovernmental Affairs Minister, Marcel Masse, about the possible elimination of duplication between federal, provincial and territorial programs. I wonder if the Minister could give us a brief report as to what transpired in that particular meeting. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It was actually a Finance Ministers' meeting, in which Mr. Martin had asked Mr. Masse to attend to talk to Finance Ministers about overlap in duplication. It involves areas of concern expressed by both levels of government, where we're both doing similar things. It involves the regulatory process. It involves the environment. It involves programs that are delivered by sometimes three levels of government: municipal; territorial or provincial; and, federal. It is hoped that after Mr.

Masse has looked at this problem and gotten more comfortable with it, that individually, as provinces, territories and in some cases municipalities, we can agree on areas that do overlap, that do duplicate and we can come to some arrangement whereby the program would be delivered by one level of government and get some efficiency in the others. That was the gist. It was a get-to-know-you kind of meeting.

I have to write to Mr. Masse and give him our position with things that we see in the Northwest Territories that overlap and duplicate. Many of those things involve DIAND, of course, and the transfers of program responsibility that we have not yet received. I will be doing that, then Mr. Masse will respond and we'll see if we can work some of those issues out, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I find this process very interesting for us, probably as much if not more than other jurisdictions. It's a very, very important one. As the Minister has said there is a lot of overlap now. Many programs that DIAND carries out I am quite sure we are very capable of carrying out. Is the Minister of Finance the designated Minister in this process?

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Yes, I am, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Could the Minister give us a time frame where we can expect the Minister to report back to this House as to what progress he has made in these negotiations?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I hope to be able to isolate some fairly simple things this summer and pass them on to Mr. Masse. The overall strategy has to involve the rest of Cabinet, sitting as FMB, simply because of the complexity -- as Mr. Ballantyne points out -- of the problem in the Northwest Territories. It involves a huge government department and we are going to have to sit down and look at this before we make suggestions of an immense size. We will probably be able to report with some small successes in the fall session, and with the strategy then of how we intend to approach the larger picture. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Then would we expect this initiative to be put into the package of initiatives that the government now is negotiating with the federal government?

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John Pollard

Hay River

It is ironic that Mr. Ballantyne should ask that question, Madam Speaker, but of course he is very swift of mind. Just as a little insurance, shall we say, when I was meeting privately with Mr. Masse, I mentioned that we had experienced some problems with transfers from the federal government to ourselves, namely minerals and the northern accord, and would he be interested in attacking that problem from the aspect of overlap and duplication. He said he would be willing to look at that situation after we had exhausted the efforts that we have under way right now with the federal Finance Minister . I think Mr.

Ballantyne was probably thinking ahead and I was doing the same thing in trying to cover some bases. We may be able to attack that problem from an angle of overlap and duplication, which would perhaps speed the process up and save the federal government some money. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Question 158-12(5): Wage Parity For Employees In Non-government Facilities

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Social Services . The Department of Social Services has done a lot of work and have been able to find some money to resolve the salary and benefits issue for alcohol and drug workers. For this, the workers are very grateful. But other than alcohol and drugs, there are many different programs within the department. One of these is the care for elderly residents. They are cared for in either government-owned and operated facilities or self-standing facilities, which are managed by other agencies and they receive contributions from the department.

What is the department doing to ensure that the salaries and benefits of employees in the free-standing facilities are compatible with the work and responsibilities they do?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Department of Social Services has already compiled a list of where there is wage parity with the facilities we have. But there are ongoing talks within Cabinet. Social Services is not the only department that has wage parity. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I understand that a study was done reviewing the salaries and benefits in all the long-term care facilities. Can the Minister confirm whether a study was done of all long-term care facilities funded by the department in order to ascertain the salary and benefit levels of all the staff?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am not aware if there was a study done, but our staff did collect information on the staff who are hired through the contributions and grants we provide. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

I have also been lead to believe that the levels of salaries which employees receive and work in government-owned and operated facilities are quite different than those owned by employees of free-standing or contracted out facilities. Can the Minister confirm that there is a difference in the salaries paid to employees in government-owned and operated facilities as compared to non-government-owned facilities?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, that was one of the reasons why the alcohol and drug counsellors' wages were increased to bring them up to the GNWT employee wage level. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Can the Minister then assure this House that employees who are qualified and have responsibilities in caring for aged and handicapped people should be paid salary and benefits which are commensurate and equivalent with their duties and equivalent to those in government-owned and operated facilities?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I have the full commitment to try to increase the levels of wages where it lapses. It will come when the reorganization and the realigning of the programs within the department, where the funding can be found, are complete.

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to direct this question to the Minister of Education . The students in universities, outside of the communities...Since the...(inaudible)...quite rapidly, the price of clothes and food. Can their living allowances be raised annually? Thank you.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. A year ago, there were changes that allowed for increases to student financial assistance, specifically in the area related to aboriginal students. The honourable Member has raised a concern. It is not our intention to cover things like clothing. That is not part of the ongoing responsibility we have. What student financial assistance does is deal with the matter of financing students to attend an institution, a college or a university.

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(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. In Iqaluit campus, do the students who are single parents and do not have their children with them receive the same kind of assistance as the ones who do have children there? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Richard Nerysoo

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm unable to say at this particular juncture, unless I know the specific situation the honourable Member wishes me to address. If single parents have their children, then additional support is provided to their children if they take them, for instance, to Iqaluit. That would be the case for married students, as well. It depends on the circumstances of the individual.

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Question 160-12(5): Premier's Support For Treaty 8 And 11 Chiefs

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Premier . On two occasions now, the Caucus has met with representatives of Treaty 8 and Treaty 11 chiefs. Members were given a presentation on an oral

interpretation of the treaties. The Premier was asked to provide support to the effort of the chiefs, and the Premier agreed to do so. Is it on the basis of the oral tradition, that the Premier has agreed to support the Treaty 8 and Treaty 11 chiefs?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I have not studied or researched the intent of the treaties. The basis of my support for the Treaty 8 chiefs is to get negotiations going with the federal government. The area the Treaty 8 chiefs are asking us to determine are areas directly related to the fiduciary responsibility of the federal government to the Treaty 8 people. We are merely there to support them to try to get the process going. We don't want to stand in their way. We want the federal government to take their responsibility as determined by the treaties.

If it is an assessment or an analysis of what the treaty says, I don't believe that can be overcome unless the federal government sits down seriously with these people and take on their particular responsibilities.

It is my understanding, and it has been stated in this Legislative Assembly for many, many years over and over again, that this government does not have the legislative authority to deal with the particular questions Treaty 8 people are asking. We can help, but we can't answer to the treaty entitlement. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Premier was at a meeting on the weekend at the invitation of the Treaty 8 chiefs. We've been given some account of what went on at that meeting. Would the Premier tell the House whether Mr. Irwin agreed to negotiate with the Treaty 8 people on the basis of their version of the treaty, rather than the written one?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, it is very difficult when you're in a meeting where there are about 25 or 30 representatives of Treaty 8 in the NWT. They were expressing to the federal Minister of Indian Affairs, Mr. Irwin, that they wished to try to get a broader mandate on how they would negotiate with the federal government, in response to what the Minister of Indian Affairs stated as the parameters of the treaty land entitlement mandate.

I would say that the Friday night meeting was fairly optimistic that he would take a parallel or coordinated approach. There were many words to describe this approach. We wanted to make sure that everyone understood, including the Treaty 8 people and the Minister of Indian Affairs, that we were not about to be used in a parallel situation when it was his direct responsibility. As I've stated before, it is the federal government that is stating that they wish to support the inherent right to self-government.

There is some indication from some Members of the present government that it is in

section 35. These are the areas on which the federal government is making statements. The Treaty 8 people wanted us to support them in trying to get this stance clarified so they would know what process they could take to deal with both the treaty land entitlement and self-government. They wanted to know if that was parallel or if there was another way to do it. We were there to make sure the discussions didn't go as they usually go where they have meetings and say the programs are funded from GNWT coffers. Our argument is, it doesn't matter where the funding comes from, the final decisions are up to the federal government to make.

I would like to be more clear, but Friday night seemed to be optimistic. On Saturday morning some of the officials met and some details were worked out. Right now, we are composing a letter to the federal government. Our Minister of Aboriginal Rights and Constitutional Development is putting a letter together indicating what we understood happened at the meeting. The fact is, the only thing I can be clear about is that the federal minister, Treaty 8 people and ourselves did agree we would have a process to deal with it so people wouldn't be going around slipshod to all the jurisdictions.

That's what we agreed to, but there weren't any details determined on what that was going to be. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

I appreciate that in all these negotiations unless you make it clear where you stand, if you're not on somebody's side, people automatically assume you're against someone. I appreciate the efforts of the Premier and the Ministers who were there to show an interest in this process. Would the Premier confirm that all that has been agreed to is that there has to be a process, nothing else? That's the sum total of what's been agreed to. Can she confirm that?

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Nellie Cournoyea

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Yes, Madam Speaker. The short answer is yes. What has been agreed to is a process should be set up to look at the desire of Treaty 8 people to take over programs and services provided to their specific people.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 161-12(5): Review Of Pol Rates

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Public Works and Services, and it has to do with the review of POL rates, including heating oil and gasoline prices that the government charges to consumers. I would like to ask the Minister when he expects the review to be complete. Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. By March 31.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if there will be a consultative process where Members who are interested will be allowed to review these rates prior to them being enacted. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I will be happy to discuss it with interested Members. Thank you.

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Kitikmeot

I'd like to clarify, is the intent of the review to eliminate the large differences between communities and between regions? Thank you.

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. I missed that one part of the question. I didn't hear it.

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Mr. Ng , may I ask you to clarify your question.

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Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The question was, is it the intent of the review to eliminate the large differences between communities and between regions, the rates between those communities and regions? Thank you.

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. The intention of the review is to make it fair for everyone. Thank you.

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Thank you. Item 5, oral questions. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. Sometimes the communities are not aware of accumulating a deficit. Can the Minister indicate how much of a deficit is expected by the end of the fiscal year? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Point of order, Mr. Pudluk .

Point Of Order

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My question was directed to the Minister of MACA. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Pudluk . There appears to be some confusion on the question not coming across clearly on translation. If I could just ask you again to briefly clarify the question for the Minister of MACA. Thank you, Mr. Pudluk .

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Ludy Pudluk

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. I will speak very slowly. Madam Speaker...

---Laughter

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Sorry, Mr. Pudluk , you're speaking too fast. We didn't get any translation, but I think they were starting to finally translate. Proceed.

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Question 162-12(5): Reason For Community Deficits

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

I'm going to repeat that question for the third time now. (Translation) My question is directed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. The hamlets accumulate deficits. Sometimes the hamlet board members are not aware they will have a deficit. At this time, today, the hamlets with deficits are not aware of how they end up with deficits. Can the Minister indicate what causes the deficits, and respond to my question? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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