Debates of Oct. 18th, 2012

This is page numbers 1243 - 1280 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 56-17(3): October 2012 Fiscal Update

Minister’s Statement 57-17(3): Council Of The Federation Mission To China

Mental Health First Aid Project

Anti-Bullying Legislation

Yellowknife Municipal Election Campaign Issues

Seniors Home Heating Subsidy

Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

Nahanni Butte Flood

Official Opening Of The Inuvik East Three School

Housing And Poverty Issues In Yellowknife

Empowering Small Community Leadership

Sessional Business

Mackenzie Delta Recipients Of The Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medals

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

97th Birthday Of Peter Kay Sr.

Mental Health First Aid Project

Anti-Bullying Legislation

GNWT Mine Remediation Financial Liability Issues

Seniors Home Heating Subsidy

Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

Nahanni Butte Flood

Aboriginal Student Achievement Committees

Emergency Housing Need

Pilings Remediation At ?ehtseo Ayha School In Deline

Renovations To Joe Greenland Centre

Clawback Of Other Income Under Income Security

Deline Water Treatment Plant Site Remediation

Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

Tabled Document 70-17(3): Interim Public Accounts (Unaudited) Of The GNWT For The Year Ended March 31, 2012 Tabled Document 71-17(3): 2011-2012 58th Annual Report Of The NWT Liquor Commission And Liquor Licensing Board

Tabled Document 72-17(3): NWT Coroner’s Service 2010 Annual Report Including 10-Year Review 2001-2010

Establishment Of Electoral Boundaries Commission

Guidelines For NWT Electoral Boundaries Commission, 2012

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:29 p.m.

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Prayer

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. Minister of Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Minister’s Statement 56-17(3): October 2012 Fiscal Update

Ministers’ Statements

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to take this opportunity to update the Members on our fiscal situation.

I tabled the first budget of the 17th Legislative

Assembly in May, just five short months ago. Our commitment to protect programs and services has not changed, and our strategy of limiting new expenditure growth to ensure surpluses has become even more important as global economic instability persists.

While our economy is recovering slowly from the global slowdown, we remain vulnerable to uncertain economic conditions. Statistics Canada’s latest estimate shows a 2 percent decline in the NWT population from 2011 and reinforces our concerns about how our economy is doing and future revenues. Beginning in 2013-14, the five-year annual average territorial formula financing growth forecast is 1.7 percent. That’s compared to the 6.3 percent average annual growth over the last five years. We must remain committed to our path of fiscal sustainability by curtailing expenditure growth because revenues are not expected to grow as quickly as in the past.

There is good news, however. As you will see in the interim public accounts that will be tabled in the House later today, the government has a small surplus of $1.3 million for 2011-12. That’s our first surplus since 2007 and it’s a significant improvement from the previous year’s $23 million deficit. This demonstrates that we are getting our fiscal house in order, which will help us achieve our goal of increasing our infrastructure spending in the last two years of this Assembly.

Turning to this fiscal year, we are still projecting a moderate operating surplus of $69 million, but we have already had some unexpected costs. We had a severe fire suppression season. We had to implement an emergency anthrax response, and the costs of the Nahanni flood are not yet accounted for. We will have to be resolute in our commitment to fiscal restraint to ensure we generate another surplus this year.

These surpluses are crucial to our long-term debt management and infrastructure investment plans. As you all know, we have returned to a conservative capital investment plan in order to adhere to our Fiscal Responsibility Policy. We need operating surpluses to fund at least 50 percent of our capital expenditures. Without these surpluses we will not be able to increase our infrastructure investments by 2014. For that reason, the fiscal strategy to limit annual expenditure growth confirmed in this year’s budget remains unchanged.

We are targeting April 1, 2014, as the implementation date for devolution, when decisions about the management of NWT lands, water and non-renewable resources are finally the responsibility of our own residents. This includes management of the NWT share of resource revenues.

This Assembly recognizes that these revenues must be managed responsibly. Responsible management means not using resource revenues to fund day-to-day operations. It means investments and savings that convert non-renewable resource wealth into other assets to benefit both current and future generations.

This new revenue source is very volatile and fluctuates with the boom-bust cycle. We need to ensure stability and sustainability of our revenues. This is a high priority for our government and we are investigating the possibility of creating a Revenue Stabilization Fund.

We need to maintain tight control over our operating expenditures. We are challenged to manage the growth at 2 percent. That’s about $30 million annually. As you know, the Department of Finance is engaging residents in a conversation about the budget, to ensure that their priorities are reflected in our response to the challenge.

The budget dialogue process began in September and has brought budget discussions to the regions for the first time. In just four short weeks, I have met with over 80 residents in Inuvik, Norman Wells, Fort Simpson, Fort Smith and Hay River. I appreciate the time and effort NWT residents have taken to participate in the sessions or send written submissions.

Some common themes are emerging. First, residents appreciated hearing about the GNWT’s fiscal reality following four years of stimulus spending. They told us we need to allocate more resources to prevention, particularly in the period from conception to four years old. We need to remove red tape, duplication and program overlap. They want our government to be as supportive of sustainable development as it can. They also want us to address our infrastructure deficit.

I look forward to concluding the final budget dialogues in Yellowknife on October 23rd and

Behchoko on October 24th . I commit to report back

to residents next month.

Mr. Speaker, we are on the right fiscal track. With the support of our residents and this Assembly, we will remain fiscally sustainable and yet still have the funds to invest in individuals, families and communities. Our investment will pay off by helping them grasp the opportunities to share in the benefits and responsibilities of a unified, environmentally sustainable and prosperous Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Minister’s Statement 56-17(3): October 2012 Fiscal Update

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Before we go on today, I’d like to welcome Mr. Lorne Kusugak, Minister of Sport from Rankin Inlet. Welcome to the House, Member of the Legislative Assembly of Nunavut. Good to see you here, Lorne. The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister’s Statement 57-17(3): Council Of The Federation Mission To China

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, last month I travelled to China with my colleague Mr. Robert Hawkins and business delegates from the Northwest Territories as part of the Council of the Federation Trade Mission. The business representatives from the Northwest Territories were Don Bubar, president and CEO of Avalon Rare Metals; Mark Downey, CEO of Fur Harvesters Auction Limited; Verda Law, the operations manager of Yellowknife Tours; Huizhong Yang representing Blachford Lake Lodge; and Yanny Cordero, project development consultant.

This mission was intended to secure trade and investment opportunities and we have already had follow-up meetings with business representatives from China who travelled to Yellowknife shortly after we returned from China. I also had the

opportunity to meet with the consul general from China in Calgary soon after returning from China, and committed to speaking with the over 20 Calgary-based corporations in the near future. The Government of the Northwest Territories will be developing a strategic approach to our ongoing involvement with China and I look forward to input from Members of this House as we move forward with that process.

Building relationships with Chinese leaders, expanding markets for our products and encouraging investment all strengthen and diversify our economy, a priority of the 17th Legislative

Assembly.

While the Northwest Territories has participated in trade missions to China in the past, this was the first time we participated as part of the Council of the Federation. We benefited greatly from this approach. It gave us a higher profile, and I participated in productive meetings with the Chinese Vice- Premier , Minister of Finance and others.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank Mr. Robert Hawkins , the members of the Northwest Territories business delegation and the businesses that supported us in preparing for this important trade mission.

Partnering with Northwest Territories businesses to promote our territory internationally makes sense. Working together allowed us to leverage additional opportunities to meet with Chinese leaders and businesses. As a government, we have an important role to play in showing countries such as China that we are committed to supporting business and development to flourish.

China is a growing segment of Canada’s global trade market, especially tourism, oil and gas, diamonds, mining and wild fur harvesting.

Tourism is a huge draw for the Chinese market and many people are interested in authentic cultural experiences and viewing the northern lights. We have experienced good growth in visits by Chinese tourists, from fewer than 20 visits a year to 300 a year, since Canada received Approved Destination Status from China in 2010. During the mission, the Chairman of the Hong Kong Association of Travel Agents gave us advice on how to build a market within China, working closely with the travel trade. We were fortunate that the managing director of the Canadian Tourism Commission for China had recently visited the Northwest Territories and was very enthusiastic.

We also met with potential Chinese investors and business partners to discuss ways to diversify the Northwest Territories economy and keep the territory prosperous. The meetings focused on the potential for developing Chinese markets.

We saw great interest in our oil and gas resources and our mineral resources, including some positive developments for Avalon Rare Metals. They are leading the Nechalacho Rare Earth Elements Project near Thor Lake, which is now ranked as the largest rare earth deposit outside of China. Members from our delegation met with representatives from the jewellery industry, including Chow Tai Fook, the largest jewellery company in Hong Kong. They confirmed their interest in Northwest Territories diamonds and diamond mining.

We also visited a world-leading solar panel manufacturing facility that designs, develops, manufactures and markets high-output, cost-effective solar products for electric power applications. Exploring the use of environmentally friendly alternative energy solutions is part of the Government of the Northwest Territories’ ongoing commitment to reducing our dependence on imported diesel and lowering our greenhouse gas emissions.

Chinese interest in Northwest Territories wild furs is another opportunity to further diversify the economy. China is the world’s leading manufacturer of fur garments, and demand for our high-end wild fur is high and increasing year after year. Our fur is always in high demand at auctions, with China as one of the top buyers. The Yuanlong Fur and Leather Company president, Mr. Li Qing Yuan, met with us and told us they are anticipating growth in the sector due to high-end fashion outlets and designers using wild fur as accent pieces on garments.

Now is the time to build on the opportunities that opened up as the result of this mission. I look forward to seeing the benefits of this work reach our territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 57-17(3): Council Of The Federation Mission To China

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Mental Health First Aid Project

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have all seen tragedies in our communities. Many of them happen while someone is struggling with mental health, and too often people, our constituents, don’t get the help they need.

In general, there’s a lack of support for families and friends and even lack of support for the agencies who have to work with people who are mentally ill. People are often faced with really hard questions. What do you do when a mentally ill person refuses help or someone with a mental illness refuses to take their medication?

It’s also fairly common for someone to be hospitalized under the Mental Health Act, only to get themselves released a short time later. They come home and the uncertainty begins again for their family, friends and neighbours.

If a person is abusive, they typically cannot be admitted to the hospital; but if they haven’t committed a crime, the RCMP is not there to help either. I have experienced this personally, Mr. Speaker, in a small town like Hay River where a person who was suffering from a mental illness could not be received at the hospital because of verbal abuse, could not be received by the RCMP because they hadn’t committed a crime, could not be received at social services because there was no hotel or anywhere in town that would actually take them in because of their condition.

What do you do when it’s 40 below, and it’s the middle of winter and you have a person in this situation? It’s very, very frustrating. Sometimes I think there is too much emphasis on police in our so-called mental health system. If a person commits a crime, it’s actually easier for them to get help.

I’m very glad to hear the Health and Social Services is starting a Mental Health First Aid project. It’s based on a course designed by the Canadian Mental Health Commission. I read in the paper that the first two communities to take part will be Tuktoyaktuk and Fort McPherson. I wish them every success, but I would like to see people taught Mental Health First Aid all over our territory. Next maybe try a regional centre. I think Hay River would welcome it.

Thirty years ago there was very little known about anxiety disorder, panic attacks, schizophrenia, bi-polar, all of these mental illnesses for which now there is a lot more knowledge and understanding, and a lot more awareness. I think we as a government have a long ways to go yet in terms of addressing the supports and the facilities needed to address the issue of mental illness. If we come across a person who is having a heart attack, people know CPR; if somebody’s choking, they know how to do the Heimlich manoeuvre; but when someone is suffering and having some kind of crises that is mentally ill, we have very little support.

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Mental Health First Aid Project

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Anti-Bullying Legislation

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A number of months ago this House took a stance on bullying. We wore the colours, we each spoke passionately on why we needed to make a stand against bullying, and the department listened. Shortly thereafter, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment joined Regular Members

in a promise to come forward with legislation to address this issue for the latter part of 2013.

So why am I bringing this up again? Well, it seems that a young BC teenager’s life has been taken away and the world has gone viral once again. The question of why this happened is swirling around the Internet and media mainstreams. Watching the YouTube video of this young teenager’s despair clearly made me angry. How did we let this person down? Was there not at least one friend to come forward and help her in her darkest hours?

What about here in the NWT? Are we immune from another Amanda Todd from happening? A recent CBC report clearly depicts that this very issue is in our own backyard and yet many of us go on with our daily lives oblivious of such occurrences. Many may say, let’s wait for new legislation to help take a stand against bullies. I say, don’t wait for us to magically put discussion papers, policies, guidelines and regulations to the issue, because this in itself is not going to stop the action.

Take the distracted driving legislation, for example. We know it’s out there, yet coming to work this morning I counted at least six people with their phones to their ear. This legislation in itself didn’t worry these drivers and it was apparently so.

My message is clear: as parents, as teachers, as adults, as concerned citizens of the NWT we all need to take an active stand on our kids’ behaviour. Legislation is only one tool in our anti-bullying tool belt. We need to band together to collectively keep a watchful eye on our children’s use of social networks and mobile phone usage. We need to spend time talking to our children about the harm of bullying. We need to listen but more importantly hear their concerns. Moreover, while the situation like Amanda Todd’s is tragic, news reports can also be used as a teachable moment. As I said months ago, together we can change behaviour and together we must.

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Anti-Bullying Legislation

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Yellowknife Municipal Election Campaign Issues

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to follow up today on my colleagues’ comments made yesterday about this week’s municipal elections.

I offer congratulations to all elected councillors, trustees and mayors, especially those who ran in Yellowknife. I say thank you to everyone who entered the race. Your commitment and sacrifice are much appreciated.

Across the North, six cities, towns and villages felt the wind of change on their faces. We have five new mayors, and here in Yellowknife, six of our eight council members are new to the game.

I attended several election forums last week, and I heard many concerns expressed by the Yellowknife candidates and I was struck by how intertwined municipal issues are with those of the territorial government. Here is some of what I heard: Yellowknife is struggling to find solutions to deal with an increasing homeless population. Yellowknife’s downtown core was described as a mess and unsafe. Some residents avoid the core because they don’t feel comfortable there. Many candidates used the words “revitalize the downtown.” Yet, homelessness is a housing issue and housing is a territorial responsibility.

Infrastructure was also often mentioned during the campaign. Members know that all of our communities have a large infrastructure deficit, and by that I mean repairs, retrofits and replacement of buildings, roads, water and sewer pipes. But what is our NWT government doing to bring down that deficit, other than pointing to the federal gas tax revenue as our communities’ saviour?

Candidates also spoke of new government regulations that demand different treatment of YK’s water source. To comply with those regulations, Yellowknife is building a new water treatment plant, to the tune of some $20 million but without any assistance from the GNWT or the federal government. If the GNWT demands upgrades to our water systems, the GNWT should provide financial help to get it done.

As mentioned by my colleague Mr. Hawkins yesterday, many candidates spoke of the need for an addictions treatment centre other than Stanton Hospital. Like homelessness, health programs and services are a territorial responsibility. There seems to be general acceptance that YK has the worst record of people with addictions. It only makes sense to provide treatment here, but there’s little appetite on the part of the GNWT to provide the necessary financial support to the city to help with this problem.

It’s time for the GNWT to recognize the needs of our capital city, to accept that the city has greater needs than other communities because it is a magnet community for residents from all of our communities. It’s time for the GNWT to act on Yellowknife’s needs.

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Yellowknife Municipal Election Campaign Issues

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Seniors Home Heating Subsidy

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Northwest Territories has established a way to help elders with home heating costs over the fall and winter months. Eligible residents 60 years of age and older can benefit from the seniors home

heating subsidy. This program has been in place for a long time now.

Last year 448 households applied for a subsidy that provides assistance for the cost of heating fuel, cut wood, pellets and electricity. This is a good program. I can see that a lot of thought has gone into updating it to reflect the cost of living in the North and to refine it to make it fair to residents. However, there are still challenges.

Lately some elders in my riding received notices that they are ineligible for the subsidy because they have other people living in their home. In one case there are three elder siblings living in one home, each receiving old age pensions. The policy is such that the total household income is assessed and if it exceeds a certain limit, they are not entitled to the benefit. In this situation I believe the policy is being applied unfairly. These people live together to reduce their overall cost of living and find ways to support one another. They are being unreasonably disqualified from the very program designed to assist with their needs.

There are also an increasing number of situations where children and grandchildren live with grandparents. Some younger adults live with their parents and grandparents because of limited opportunities for employment or because of unfortunate experiences that impact their housing situation, rental arrears, evictions or domestic violence. We are all too familiar with the cases of younger people taking advantage of the benefits that older family members may receive.

It is important to protect seniors from elder abuse, but it is the custom in more traditional cultures for two or three generations of a family to share one home. We need to find realistic solutions to accommodate elders who have immediate and extended family living with them, especially if a younger family member is caring for an elder as well as working outside the home.

The Department of Education, Culture and Employment works with an average of 467 home heating subsidy cases every year. Our population is aging and the cost of heating our homes continues to rise. I’m also concerned about how long we’ll be able to sustain the program at its current level. This is an important subsidy and it should be available to eligible applicants in a fair and consistent manner. We need to help our elders continue to live independently, and contribute to our families and communities in meaningful ways.

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Seniors Home Heating Subsidy

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This winter is closing in on us very quickly and I want to

revisit the subject of the Yellowknife downtown day shelter. This is a very important service and the people who are homeless out there need somewhere safe and warm to go. It may come to the Minister as news, as well as many Members of this House, but the fact is the shelter is not just about Yellowknife.

Only a third of the people using the downtown day shelter call themselves Yellowknifers, then about half of the other people that attend the shelter identify themselves as from other communities, while the remaining small percent is made up of people from Nunavut as well as other places and provinces across Canada. Rather than just referring to it as the Yellowknife day shelter, it should truthfully be referred to as a territorial day shelter in the downtown of Yellowknife.

As many already know, as the winter months are fast approaching, we have at least 16 different individuals that attend the shelter every day, and with the existence of the shelter it has been a much needed respite on many of the problems in downtown, so malls, businesses, public libraries and even the hospital’s emergency room has been very thankful for this shelter and why it exists.

The shelter’s three-year contract, as we all know, is about to run out at the end of this fiscal year, so a lot of people are asking, what next? All Yellowknifers are waiting to hear the lead from the Health Minister to talk about the future of the new downtown day shelter.

What does the Minister envision for phase two of this particular project? At the same time, not knowing the Minister’s plan, this community has a number of concerns about phase two and where it will take us, such as people want to know will the shelter get support financially from the Department of Health. Will it continue? Many others have suggested should we change the operator and make sure we have an open competition to ensure we bring in someone for change.

Everyone agrees, and I have spoken to, that phase two definitely needs daily programming. As we all know very well, we have a very credible society called the Tree of Peace that offers great programming only a few feet away. If this downtown day shelter is going to continue at the same location, the department must take a bit of courage and address some of the concerns raised by the residents who only live a few feet away from the shelter. I stand to be corrected, but the fact is I have heard that they have never had a knock on the door from the department to ask them how it has worked out for them.

The fact is the Department of Health needs to build a relationship, needs programming and needs to work with the riding and the residents of that area. I believe it is a service that needs to continue and

definitely warrants attention from this government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Nahanni Butte Flood

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The flooding in Nahanni Butte that happened this spring might not be making headlines anymore, but it still is very much part of the day-to-day reality of the residents of the community. I have heard from other communities that have had similar disasters, that it takes about a year to get back to normal.

After my visit of last week, I can surely say that life is still not the same in the community of Nahanni Butte. I want to commend the people of Nahanni Butte for their patience so far, and encourage them to continue being patient as they go through the rebuilding effort. It is going to take time. Our GNWT emergency response effort through Mr. Mike Drake and all regional managers in Nahendeh have to be applauded, as well, during that time. But mostly I really want to commend the residents for how they have responded to the situation and helped each other out. For example, one family recently took the initiative to re-open a much needed store out of their own home.

As we go about rebuilding, I think it is important that we also learn from our experiences of this, that we also need a long-term plan for Nahanni Butte which may even include relocating the community over the flood plains it currently sits in.

Also, repair to the access road has been delayed. That takes patience, even though residents are very upset about it.

At the territorial level we often need to take a look at what we can do to improve our emergency response plan and our disaster systems policy. Most importantly, I think the real lesson of this experience is how the people of Nahanni Butte and Nahendeh can really pull together in a time of need. We should all be inspired by the example that they have set.

I would also like to express sincere appreciation to all the workers, volunteers and community members who helped Nahanni Butte through this crisis and who continue to help as we work to get things back to normal, and also to the many groups, businesses and communities that contributed and raised funds to assist them. It will take time but we will get there.

Throughout the remainder of this session, I will speak more specifically to some of these concerns that have not been addressed yet during our session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Nahanni Butte Flood

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Official Opening Of The Inuvik East Three School

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. On October 10, 2012, the community of Inuvik celebrated the official opening of the much anticipated East Three School/East Three Illisavik/East Three Gah Tronadeh Zheh. The event had a great turnout as guests, students, staff and community members listened to encouraging speeches about the newly constructed facility and the importance of education.

The facility is a great environment for learning and promoting culture among new education and trades programs that could not be done in the previous school. The school also provides a great teaching environment that will allow staff to excel in their jobs. It also provides a strong, healthy and safe environment for all staff and students so that all can be productive this year and succeed, as well as in the years to come.

East Three School is not just another infrastructure project for this government. It is an investment into our children, our youth, families, communities and for the future of our territory as we develop strong, educated adults. It also shows that the Government of the Northwest Territories is committed to creating infrastructure projects throughout the NWT to support our regional centres and our small communities.

The official opening wrapped up with students Don Gruben and Julian Chipesia joining our two longest serving staff members, Shane Brewster and Ross McCallum, on stage for the official ribbon cutting.

I’d like to take this opportunity to thank Mr. Shane Brewster and Mr. Ross McCallum for their ongoing commitment to education. I’d also like to thank Members Frederick Blake Jr. and the Honourable Robert C. McLeod for attending this significant event.

The official opening of East Three School is a great story for all the hard work, dedication, support and effort of community members, and also the GNWT to make this become a reality.

East Three School/East Three Illisavik/East Three Gah Tronadeh Zheh was completed a year ahead of

schedule and under budget. However, at the end of the day, this project is really about the education of our children in a safe, stable and healthy environment. I’d like to thank Members of the 16th Legislative Assembly, as well as the Honourable Robert C. McLeod and former Premier Floyd Roland and the Minister of Public Works and

Services, for making this project become a reality for the people of Inuvik and the region. Thank you.

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Official Opening Of The Inuvik East Three School

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Housing And Poverty Issues In Yellowknife

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday was the International Day for the Eradication of Poverty and today I want to focus on the need for housing to help people get out of poverty.

Housing provides the basis for productive, dignified lives. The ability to cook, wash, get adequate rest, be called for a job, having a place for children to study and families to enjoy leisure are huge challenges when there’s no place to call home.

Research proves that lack of housing can double or even triple the cost of government services from reliance on emergency room medicines and overnight shelters to income assistance and the justice system costs when some homeless people become desperate.

Experience across Canada is showing remarkable results when we put housing first. Calgary, Vancouver and other centres are showing huge improvements in social conditions and dramatic cost reductions. A National Housing First movement is growing.

The need is drastic. There were 137 names on the Yellowknife Housing Authority waiting list on September 22nd . There’s a waiting list of 500 names

right across all our local housing authorities. Last week the YWCA received 10 calls for housing in one day. Rockhill Transitional Housing hasn’t had anything like it in 15 years of operation. Staff there say, “the size of the need scares us.”

Urgent action is needed, starting with better use of Housing Corporation stock. Public housing vacancy rates must drop to zero. We need Housing Corporation policies that enable families to purchase the many vacant home ownership units, or we should put these units into public housing.

Local housing authorities must repair damaged units and place them with tenants. The new Transitional Rent Supplement Program is a positive step, but many low-income residents are ineligible, like YWCA tenants and those renting rooms in landlord occupied homes. With our 0.8 percent vacancy rate in Yellowknife, people must turn to rooming houses and transitional housing; they shouldn’t be penalized for lack of housing choices.

We are making some progress. We’ve adjusted the rent to income ratio in public housing. Bailey House is up and operating and we are contributing to Betty House, but clearly a crisis is at hand.

As Members come to work here in the morning, we pass the homeless walking to town from their tents behind this building, and the waiting list for housing expands.

Winter is coming, people are suffering, and meeting their housing needs must come first.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Empowering Small Community Leadership

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This morning I met with the leadership of Deline. They want to work with this government. They understand the tight fiscal restraints and limitations we are under, and also that there are a certain amount of projects that can be done in this government.

Over the last Assemblies I have heard from many Members from this side of the House who have very good ideas how to work on some of the projects in their community. Sometimes we wonder if the government on this side is listening because we’ve passed information to them and somehow it gets lost or we get resistance. We can’t do it because it doesn’t quite fit the system or doesn’t quite fit the criteria.

The Minister of Health and Social Services and I visited Colville Lake. We were trying, and we finally did it. With the Minister’s help, we put washrooms in the health centre.

When I hear Members talk about other situations in the North that our communities and small, isolated communities don’t quite have the same type of infrastructure or programs and services. The communities know best how to fix their solution but sometimes the policy doesn’t recognize that. It says, we have to do it for everybody else, everybody has to be the same. It’s not the same.

Only when the Minister of Health sat down with the leadership in Colville Lake and got some straight answers, and Colville Lake said, we could do this under budget and in a timely manner. If you went to PWS it would be too late, too long, and a whole bunch of policies would be put in place. I thank the Minister and thank PWS for allowing this to happen. We allowed to let go some of the control of our communities to give them the dignity and partnership to say, you know best in your community how this is to get done. It will get done.

When we hold tight to the community, like Colville Lake says, we want the government’s hand off our throat. We want to breathe. We know what to do. Give it to us. Case in point, the transportation airport in Colville Lake was done 95 percent because the community was allowed to do it. Thank

you, government, for doing that. I hope we can do this throughout the next three years. Mahsi cho.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Sessional Business

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s good to be back here in the House with my colleagues dealing with the important issues of the Northwest Territories. I will equate it to coming to a big family reunion. Everyone is happy to see each other, shake each other’s hand, and shortly after that give each other a jab or two. This morning I was a recipient of most of the jabs, the ribbing, because I wasn’t here for the first day of session. I was travelling with the Minister for Arctic Winter Games. My colleagues know that, but they still had no problem giving me not-so-smart comments. Glad you could make it. Travelling again?

Even staff, do you know we start work on Monday? That’s okay. As my family and friends know, I will take these comments and I will take my chances when I get a chance to make comments to them.

Just like family, I’d like to remind everybody, after we’re here for a while we’re going to get short with each other, so let’s just remember when we do get together we remember it fondly.

Seriously, I know we have a great deal of work to do over the next four weeks and the capital budget is one of them. I’m here. Let’s get to work.

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Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Mackenzie Delta Recipients Of The Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medals

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last Friday in Aklavik we were very honoured to have Premier Bob McLeod visit and pay tribute to the recipients of the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Awards. Dean McLeod, Barbara Archie, Mary Kendi and Nellie Cournoyea were the four recipients in Aklavik.

The residents of Aklavik and the Mackenzie Delta joined the Premier in extending congratulatory greetings to the recipients and wish to commend them for their tireless effort in making their community a better place to live, and for contributing to Aklavik, the Northwest Territories and Canada.

The Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Awards are unique and very special. The recipients were honoured during a community feast and the medals were awarded and presented by leaders from Aklavik,

the president of the Gwich’in Tribal Council and the chair of the Inuvialuit Development Corporation.

Thank you, and again I would like to thank Dean McLeod, Barbara Archie, Mary Kendi and Nellie Cournoyea for their tremendous efforts in making Canada a special place to live.

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Mackenzie Delta Recipients Of The Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medals

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to take this opportunity to recognize a good friend of mine, Minister Lorne Kusugak from Nunavut, who I’ve had the opportunity to work with over the last number of years and I’ve always been very impressed with his commitment to the people of Nunavut. Welcome to the Assembly, Quasa.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Monfwi , Mr. Lafferty .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to recognize Minister Kusugak from the Nunavut government for joining us today. He’s also a counterpart to the Minister responsible for WSCC .

Also, I would like to recognize Gayla Meredith, president of the NWTTA, who is here with us. Welcome.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize a couple of interns working for the Government of the Northwest Territories. Krystal Shaben, who is the Public Works and Services policy and communication assistant intern; Rebecca Dupuis, who is the Justice policy intern; and Harjot Sidhu who is the HR policy intern.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d also like to recognize Lorne Kusugak from Nunavut, who I also had a chance to travel with over the last couple days. Welcome to the House.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . I’d like to welcome all our visitors here in the public gallery today. Thank you for taking an interest in our proceedings. Again, Lorne, thank you for coming.

Item 7, acknowledgements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Acknowledgement 8-17(3): 97th Birthday Of Peter Kay Sr.

Acknowledgements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure today to wish one of the most respected elders of the Mackenzie Delta a very happy 97th birthday.

Gwich’in elder Peter Kay Sr. from Fort McPherson is to be commended on healthy living and for taking care of his family, and also living the Gwich’in cultural lifestyle.

Mr. Kay’s livelihood, active living and positive outlook on life and family have given him the opportunity today to spend precious time with his family at 97 years young.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Members of the Assembly. Please join me in congratulating Peter Kay on his 97th birthday.

---Applause

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Acknowledgement 8-17(3): 97th Birthday Of Peter Kay Sr.

Acknowledgements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Item 8, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 175-17(3): Mental Health First Aid Project

Oral Questions

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today I talked about what I see as a lack of support in the smaller communities for people suffering from mental illness. This is a problem which has come into very clear focus in Hay River in the last month. I am very interested in this Mental Health First Aid program which is rolling out in a couple of small communities and I would like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services what the plan is for the roll-out of this. If he could just describe it for us briefly and give people some hope that maybe there is something coming here that will help smaller communities deal with issues of mental illness.

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Question 175-17(3): Mental Health First Aid Project

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 175-17(3): Mental Health First Aid Project

Oral Questions

Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Mental Health First Aid course is something that our department is offering to professionals from the regions and communities, that they go back to their communities to put on workshops on mental health that would be open to the citizens, teachers, anybody that wishes to learn more about mental health issues at the community or regional levels.

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Question 175-17(3): Mental Health First Aid Project

Oral Questions

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

I mentioned that two communities have so far had the opportunity to partake in this: Tuktoyaktuk and Fort McPherson.

What’s the agenda, what’s the

schedule look like for taking this important training, workshop information to other communities?

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Question 175-17(3): Mental Health First Aid Project

Oral Questions

Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

This week we are running the course again, the Mental Health First Aid course. It’s going to be offered to all the regions, and some of the major communities that I notice on the list – I don’t have the list here with me - but I believe one is Hay River. Somebody from Hay River is here. For sure someone from Smith, Yellowknife, Deh Cho, Sahtu, and the Tlicho communities are here taking that course that they will take back to their regions.

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Question 175-17(3): Mental Health First Aid Project

Oral Questions

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

I see this as only being helpful. When there is a crisis of mental health issues in a community, what are we doing about protocol so that everybody knows what the plan is? You don’t hear very often of people being medevaced because there’s a mental health crisis. You do certainly when there’s a physical illness, you hear that, but, when there’s a mental illness and there’s a crisis, you don’t hear of what the protocols are for dealing with that.

We live in a severe climate and environment, and when you’re in the smaller communities, if we do not have those kinds of protocols and infrastructure in place, it can be a dire consequence for the person that’s ill and those trying to help them. Is there any work going on in the department to come up with a protocol so that everybody knows who is in the social services or health care profession and the policy or whatever services are in those communities what the plan is?

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Question 175-17(3): Mental Health First Aid Project

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Laid out in the Mental Health and Addictions Action Plan was the attempt to try to remove the stigma of mental health so that individuals are able to work freely with people who are afflicted with mental health issues. It’s a very, very difficult area.

As the Member indicated, you can’t just, you know, if somebody gets hurt, a physical injury, people know what to do. There’s a certain process. You get the person into the hospital. Mental health cases are different.

We are trying to train people. We are trying to set up a system where individuals are able to identify mental health. We’re trying to set up a system where individuals are able to deal with mental health issues. It’s a very difficult situation that we are starting to get more heavily involved at this point and by the time we get rolling into the Mental Health and Addictions Action Plan, we should be able to develop some protocols on how to deal with mental health cases as well.

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Question 175-17(3): Mental Health First Aid Project

Oral Questions

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Because of the remoteness of some of our communities, I would like to ask the Minister if he is aware if there is still any kind of a crisis helpline that is available for

people that they can call into when they are experiencing difficulties and what role does our government play in sustaining such a service.

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

I don’t have that information with me. I don’t remember if the crisis line is still open or not. I can verify that information for the Member and advise the House whether or not that crisis line is still open.

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Question 175-17(3): Mental Health First Aid Project

Oral Questions

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 176-17(3): Anti-Bullying Legislation

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier today, in my Member’s statement, I talked about anti-bullying legislation. It’s unfortunate that tragedies usually put a lens on subjects such as this. I think the public and also Members need to be reassured that we’re working towards good legislation.

My question for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment is: Maybe giving us an update, what’s happening in the department as we’re preparing for this anti-bullying legislation for the Northwest Territories?

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Question 176-17(3): Anti-Bullying Legislation

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 176-17(3): Anti-Bullying Legislation

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Since the motion was brought forward to this House, my department has been working on various other jurisdictions to identify, or do a complete review of the anti-bullying legislation in other jurisdictions, as well, and developing a safe school proposal, which will be developed, and implementation of a safe school plan as well. Those are the areas that my department has taken on the initiative.

There are two major projects or pieces of proposals that will be introduced in the spring session. In the spring 2013 session we want to introduce the bill and also, at the same time, develop a territorial-wide plan to denounce bullying in NWT schools. That is part of the plan as we move forward.

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Question 176-17(3): Anti-Bullying Legislation

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I think what the Minister indicated here is that it sounds like we’ve got legislation ongoing here and there’s talk about a safe school plan in a bill format. I guess the question I need to ask the Minister is: Why are we doing both at the same time? Should one not follow the other?

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Question 176-17(3): Anti-Bullying Legislation

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

The legislation can set a clear definition on this particular anti-bullying legislation and mandate the need for policies and training. Also, ground involvement of effective resources is required to address the complex issue of generating safe schools in the NWT to meet the

challenge of both legislation and comprehensive territorial-wide to prevent bullying in the NWT schools are needed. Both pieces are needed as we move forward on a comprehensive plan that we are currently working on. We are moving forward on those two initiatives.

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Question 176-17(3): Anti-Bullying Legislation

Oral Questions

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

The Minister indicated a safe schools plan. I guess the question we should ask is: When will this be implemented? Are we seeing this early on in 2013 or in the latter part of 2013?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, part of the plan is to introduce the safe schools plan completed and implemented at the beginning of the 2013 school year. That is the overall plan, so we are moving forward on that.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is all very good information, and I think many parents, many students out there are looking forward to seeing this come forward. As the department is preparing the final steps, the final journey, so to speak, and the consulting piece and where amendments are going to be taking place, who is going to be invited to the table to be doing this in the consulting phase, and will Members have an opportunity to be a participant?

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

There will be various consultations that will take place with the stakeholders, prior to putting forward the legislation to addressing the bullying. From December 2012 until January 2013, the consultation will take place, and they will consist of, of course, Regular Members, their input, and also those involved within the education field. The NWTTA, divisional education councils, district education authorities, superintendents, principals, teachers, the parents, and also those parents, students and Members of the Legislative Assembly, Corrections Division, Justice, RCMP. A variety of organizations will be part of the stakeholders that we’ll be consulting with.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 177-17(3): GNWT Mine Remediation Financial Liability Issues

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Finance . I’d like to ask him some questions around the issue of financial liability at Giant Mine. With the environmental hearings that were held a couple weeks ago here in Yellowknife, a number of constituents have spoken to me about Giant and about the financial situation that we are in as a territorial government. My first question to the Minister would be if he could advise me and advise

the public and my constituents what is the nature of our partnership with AANDC, the federal government department responsible for the cleanup at Giant Mine?

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The Minister of Finance , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is a federal waste site that they’re remediating. We are in partnership with them. We’ve booked about $27 million, the federal government in the neighbourhood of $300 million, as initial figures. Clearly, it is one of the biggest waste site remediations in the country, so it is fundamentally a federal responsibility.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister for that explanation. I have to say, I’m a little bit concerned when I hear the Minister say that $27 million is an initial figure. I have to say, I’m a little concerned when I hear him say that it is basically a federal responsibility. I’d like to know from the Minister: Do we anticipate further financial requirements on this government to do with the cleanup of Giant Mine? If the $27 million is an initial figure, what are we in the long haul for?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We have committed to that amount of money. This is a federal responsibly. In fact, as we take over devolution, the signed devolution to take over land, water and resource development, Giant will be a separate issue that will stay under the purview of the federal government. At this point, the hope is, the plan is that that money will be sufficient. If there’s any more money required, once again, this is a federal responsibly.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I appreciate the Minister’s response. He says that it is a federal responsibility. A question from my constituent was pretty much relative to devolution and our current situation and the situation following devolution. My question to the Minister would be: If it is basically a federal responsibility, once devolution occurs will the federal government be able to come back to us and tell us as a territorial government that we will have responsibility for cleanup there?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

As I indicated, this particular waste site, Giant, is separate and not included in the devolution agreement. It is going to stay within the responsibility of the federal government to maintain and clean up and do all the things necessary to bring it back to proper use.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess my last question to the Minister would be, again, about money. If we are committed at this point to $27 million, and that we – as the Minister says he hopes we don’t use more than that – are we going to see a supplementary appropriation sometime down the

road to go beyond the $27 million that we’re now committed to?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

There is no such anticipation at this juncture. Our involvement is for a lot of the ancillary land and commitment to try to assist to the extent that we have with the $27 million. At this point, that is the extent of our commitment and there are no indications as Finance Minister , nor am I aware of any at this point that would require any further contribution on the part of the territorial government.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 178-17(3): Seniors Home Heating Subsidy

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to my Member’s statement on the seniors fuel subsidy, I wanted to ask the question to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . At this point in the Northwest Territories we have a very large population of aging senior citizens and elders, as we call them, and of course, we hold them in high regard. We respect them and we try to do our

part in serving their needs and looking after them as our parents and sometimes as our grandparents.

With that, with winter coming on, it is concerning that some elders are being told that they are ineligible for this fuel subsidy. What are some of the main reasons applications are turned down? Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Part of the eligibility is those individuals have to claim household income, who are all living in the house, and sometimes there is a denial in subsidy due to the fact that some individuals are working within the household. They are making fair enough money that can go towards the fuel, as well, to heat the residence. Those are some of the examples, but it is all based on household income of the elders who are living in the residence.

Each individual would have to claim what they are making. It is not only our program. There is Housing and other programs that are based on household income as well. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, as I pointed out, it is customary to try to be inclusive in terms of our communities. One practice is ensuring that we uphold the whole principle of extended families. In some cases we have children and grandchildren living with their grandparents. We try to maintain that practice. What solutions has the department considered to accommodate elders who have extended families living with them? Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, we did add the zoning, I believe, a couple of years back, by $10,000. We are always exploring areas that we need to improve our programming. I did instruct my department to look at some options to deal with those individuals, children or grandchildren that are living with their grandparents, how we can remedy the situation so they can be eligible for home heating subsidy. We are exploring those areas. I believe we are at the final stages of going through those options. I will be presenting that to the Members once that is available.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

It is reassuring that the department is exploring some options in terms of trying to remedy the situation. It can be very bleak in terms of looking forward to this time of the year, especially for elders as they prepare for the winter. What is the current budget for the seniors fuel subsidy at this time? Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, I have to provide the detailed information to the Members, but there is a threshold income and also the type of fuel and by zoning. I will provide all of that information to the Members so they are aware of what is within a subsidy area. I will provide the actual budget for the detailed information. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Mr. Nadli , your final, short supplementary.

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, this is kind of a long-term dilemma that traces this government, because we have an aging seniors population plus, at the same time, rising costs for fuel. Is there a long-term strategy that this government and especially this department is examining? Thank you.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Part of the changes that we make from time to time are reflecting on high cost of fuel or high cost of, let’s say, food in the community. With respect to this seniors home heating subsidy, there is an increase in the cost of heating, the fuel. That will reflect on the zoning which we did a couple of years back. We increased the $10,000 on each zoning. From time to time we will be making those changes. I appreciate the Member referring to this important piece of work that we will continue to monitor. Mahsi.

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Question 178-17(3): Seniors Home Heating Subsidy

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 179-17(3): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to use this occasion to refer back to my Member’s statement today when I talk about the downtown day centre. It is important that I continue to emphasize this. This is more like a territorial shelter that offers no programming as of yet, that I hope will happen, but it offers opportunity for people

from around the North a place to go, who are homeless.

As I highlighted in my comments, there have been some stats taken that about a third of the daily users actually only identify themselves as Yellowknifers and it is the rest, actually, that sort of draws some strange attention to the problem.

I would like the Minister maybe to talk about what he plans to do in the upcoming budget and fiscal year to help support this downtown day shelter. Will his department be financially committed to continuing the operation of a downtown day shelter? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 179-17(3): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Department of Health and Social Services, through the YK Health and Social Services Authority, is contributing their $125,000, plus are now contributing the share that used to be contributed in a three-year pilot project by BHP for $50,000, for a total of $175,000. That money will run to the end of the 2012-13 fiscal year, at which point we will re-examine our position. Thank you.

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Question 179-17(3): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I want to acknowledge how, with great delicacy, the Minister avoided, really, the question.

Is the department going to fund the downtown day shelter in the next fiscal year? We already well know, in this room and on the street, that the day shelter is being funded by the Yellowknife Health and Social Services Authority up until March 31st of

next year. We already know that. Tell us something we don’t know.

Will this new funding, if available, which I am waiting to be confirmed by the Minister here today, include programming funding so we can provide people with services more than just doors open?

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, I don’t know if we are going to be funding it beyond March 2013, because this was originally a three-year pilot. All the partners were in for three years. Now we are alone. We are continuing to fund it. We have funded it for one more year. It has its opposition; there is no question about it.

We want to evaluate what is there. We want to see if there are programs that we are putting in there now such as a navigator type of service to help individuals to pursue employment, education opportunities. I am going to see if those things actually have an impact.

We are going to run this year out, this fiscal year up until March 31, 2013. We will take a look at those impacts and then make a decision on whether or not we will continue to fund the shelter. Thank you.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Clearly, that is not the answer I am looking for per se, but at least finally we have an answer.

There is no plan to fund it beyond this coming end of fiscal year. If that is what the Minister is truly saying, then we should make sure we are clear.

I want to know today that the people going to this centre, that the businesses depending on this particular centre to provide homeless people opportunities and places to go, we need to be clear to the public that we are going to pull out from the process. Is the Minister saying clearly today that there is no funding in the upcoming budget for this centre? Thank you.

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, like I indicated, we will fund it for the rest of this fiscal year. That still gives us an opportunity to evaluate and get some funding into the shelter, if that is the decision we make beyond March 31, 2013.

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Question 179-17(3): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don’t think the Minister is clear on his answer one way or the other. It is a yes or no question. Are we going to fund it into the following fiscal year? Yes or no. Why do we keep talking about we are funding it to the end of this fiscal year? Why do you keep telling me that? We already know that. Everybody in the public knows. I want to know and the public wants to know, yes or no.

Is the government going to get behind this project and fund it starting in the next fiscal year that starts April 1, 2013? Yes or no. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tu Nedhe

Tom Beaulieu

Minister of Health and Social Services

Thank you. Maybe yes, maybe no.

---Laughter

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Question 179-17(3): Yellowknife Downtown Day Shelter

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Order! If I can remind the Members, people are watching in their communities expecting us to do our job. Make your questions short, to the point and the same thing with the Ministers. You’re Ministers. Answer with all the respect as possible to the Members. Thank you.

The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 180-17(3): Nahanni Butte Flood

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . In my Member’s statement on the Nahanni flood disaster, I raised a few concerns, but I will be more specific later on in this session. I just wanted to get some idea about has the department began looking at a post-mortem report on the flood disaster and when can I as the MLA for Nahendeh begin looking at some preliminary report, or at least the report on the response actions and

some of the things that happened at Nahanni Butte. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We haven’t started the report yet. Work is still ongoing right now, but once a lot of the work is completed, there will obviously be a report and we’ll be sure that we share that with the Member for Nahendeh . Thank you.

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Question 180-17(3): Nahanni Butte Flood

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. Just along a similar line, I know that the Disaster Committee is evaluating loss for claims, et cetera. Maybe the Minister can correct me; but is there a deadline for this? Because I know that some of the repairs, some of the damages sometimes it takes three months, six months, maybe even up to a year for damages to show up. Is there a mechanism in our Disaster Relief Policy to address situations like that?

Just for an example, there were some housing repairs done and in my visit last week there was a woman homeowner. She said, well, since they repaired my house, my house shifted a little bit. Is there room in our Disaster Policy to address situations like that? Thank you.

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Question 180-17(3): Nahanni Butte Flood

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you. All the homeowners’ repairs were done. I think they were finalized and inspected on September 28th . If there

are other issues that may have evolved because of the work that was done to repair those homes, then obviously we’d have to go in there and have a look at that, and assess it and see if there is any other way that we’d be able to assist so that the homes get back to their pre-disaster state. Thank you.

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Question 180-17(3): Nahanni Butte Flood

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much. It’s a concern that there’s no firm cut-off date, because these homes are still impacted by the flood, and I don’t believe there should be a cut-off date and hopefully the Minister can raise that with his department.

Also, just getting back to a post-mortem on the community, it was pointed out that I think they have one piece of equipment, a large piece of equipment that surely could have been used, but it was damaged at that time. Can I ask the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs when they do their post-mortem, also to look at the heavy equipment needs of the community and how we can assist in future floods for any community? Thank you.

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Question 180-17(3): Nahanni Butte Flood

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I can commit to the Member that we’ll look at all infrastructure and ones that may have been damaged by the flood. If they’re municipal-owned infrastructure, obviously insurance would cover those, but as part of the post-mortem I’ll commit to the Member that we’ll

look at all aspects of the equipment in the community, and we’ll go from there and see what could be improved to try and alleviate some of the damage for the next time. Thank you.

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Question 180-17(3): Nahanni Butte Flood

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 180-17(3): Nahanni Butte Flood

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The situation in this case with the heavy equipment was that they were all pre-owned vehicles which did not work during the flood. They were looking at all communities should have at least like a track vehicle available to help with their needs.

Aside from that, I’d like to invite the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs to come to Nahanni Butte this fall or this winter to see the community for himself. As well, we may even finally do a gymnasium opening ceremony in the community of Nahanni Butte. Thank you.

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Question 180-17(3): Nahanni Butte Flood

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you. I look forward to the opportunity of going into Nahanni Butte, the only community in the Northwest Territories I haven’t been to so far. We’ve had many opportunities to try to get there to open the gymnasium and I hope the gymnasium doesn’t flood before we have a chance to open it.

I will commit to the Member and I think we are working on a possible tour of the Nahendeh, and Nahanni Butte would be one of my priority stops. Thank you.

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Question 180-17(3): Nahanni Butte Flood

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 181-17(3): Aboriginal Student Achievement Committees

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Continuing on with the theme of education, I’ll ask the Minister of Education a question in regard to the Aboriginal Student Achievement committees that he’s been talking about for quite a while. However, before I begin on that, I’d just like to apologize, as I forgot to recognize the Honourable Glen Abernethy , Public Works and Services, who attended the opening of Inuvik’s school as well.

Moving on, one of the questions that I had was in regard to the Aboriginal Student Achievement committees that have been working very hard over the past year to develop some initiatives into increasing our Aboriginal education in the small communities. What funding is allocated, if any, for these committees to make sure that their initiatives get started up this fall, this winter, or this spring? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 181-17(3): Aboriginal Student Achievement Committees

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. First, I’d like to commend the committee of Inuvik working on this ASA, one of the priorities of this government, my department.

The funding that we do provide through ASA, Aboriginal Student Achievement Initiative, is approximately $1.8 million for ASA initiatives to fund a number of activities such as literacy coaches, the libraries, the cultural orientation for all teachers, an ASA coordinator and also an Aboriginal Student Achievement Initiative public awareness campaign. This also deals with those communities that are initiating their own committee to work with the Beaufort-Delta Department of Education as well. So it has been made clear. The Member made a statement in the House last time.

I did make inquiries to the superintendent to work closely with the committee to make it a real successful project. So I’m looking forward to seeing the outcome of that. Mahsi.

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Question 181-17(3): Aboriginal Student Achievement Committees

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Out of the $1.8 million to the ASA committees throughout the Northwest Territories and all the good work that’s going on within that money, how much of this money is actually being filtered into the initiatives that these committees have developed on their own, these innovative and unique initiatives that they’ve developed on their own? How much of that money is actually going into those programs so that we know that the work those committees are doing is not going unnoticed or not going unfunded or not being supported?

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Question 181-17(3): Aboriginal Student Achievement Committees

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Again, this money is flowed through the Beaufort-Delta Board of Education, and the funding that flows through would consist of various activities that the committee can access, as well, through the Beaufort-Delta Board of Education. Also, working closely with my staff that deal with ASA, we are currently discussing that. At the current stage we’re establishing an ASA steering committee to deal with these matters because we want to support the local ASA committees, such as Inuvik. They are part of the school system and others that take on the responsibility on a volunteer basis.

So we need to make this an effort and we are working towards that. So we establish a committee to work with them. Mahsi.

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Question 181-17(3): Aboriginal Student Achievement Committees

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

A couple of weeks ago I got an e-mail from one of the committee members asking about when funding will start flowing to their committee so the initiatives that they’re looking at implementing can actually start running. Can the Minister confirm that his department, his staff, is working with the Department of Education, the councils and with the ASA committees, that all three are working together so that the funding is actually going to initiatives that these committees have been working on for over a year now?

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Question 181-17(3): Aboriginal Student Achievement Committees

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

The simplest answer would be yes. If they haven’t done so, as of today they need to start working with my department, with BDAC, and also with the committee that’s been established. Not only the Beaufort-Delta but other regions as well. We need to support those individual committees on a volunteer basis doing what they can. They are committed so we need to support them. I’m a firm believer in that.

I’m also meeting with the board chairs in December. I will raise that issue, as well, that we need to start implementing. It’s a shared responsibility. We need to move forward and make it a successful project.

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Question 181-17(3): Aboriginal Student Achievement Committees

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Final supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 181-17(3): Aboriginal Student Achievement Committees

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister provide me with some details on how many of these ASA committees have actually started implementing some of their action plans throughout the regions of the Northwest Territories, and if this side of the House will get a report on these committees and how many of them have actually implemented their action plan?

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Question 181-17(3): Aboriginal Student Achievement Committees

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

I’ll definitely provide the detailed information of the committee that’s been established. To date we do have three communities that are working towards implementing the ASA. I’ll provide that detailed information to the Members.

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Question 181-17(3): Aboriginal Student Achievement Committees

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 182-17(3): Emergency Housing Need

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation. In my statement I outlined the desperate housing situation people are facing going into winter. There are 137 names on the Yellowknife Housing Authority waiting list, 500 across the territory, and several service organizations say that the situation is so bad it’s scaring them. There have been some good changes in our approach to housing, but the facts, unfortunately, show that things are just getting worse. The statistics essentially reflect an emergency.

I’m wondering what the Minister is contemplating to deal with this situation and how are we going to get people housed as winter comes on.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 182-17(3): Emergency Housing Need

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We do have vacant units across the

Northwest Territories where the public housing stock units are vacant, but those units are being worked on. We have approximately 130, I think, where there’s some major M and I work done. We’ve tried to encourage our LHOs to have this work completed as quickly as possible so we can turn them over and get tenants into them. Unfortunately, sometimes due to lack of capacity, that does become very challenging. A lot of the units are under repair, and once the repairs are completed we will move tenants back in, which should shorten up the waiting lists in each community.

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Question 182-17(3): Emergency Housing Need

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

We have heard that answer before, yet here we have this situation where we have a huge waiting list that is building rapidly.

At my constituency meeting a couple of nights ago in Ndilo/Detah, I was told there are up to 10 vacant home ownership units in the community. Most are all still empty while un-housed people sit on these waiting lists, often because household income thresholds do not match reality. There are about 30 empty units in Behchoko for want of money to do repairs. We’ve been hearing about that for over a year now. Again, this is an emergency.

What steps will the Minister take now to get families into the vacant home ownership units, for example, and what steps will he take now to get damaged units repaired and back into the housing pool on an expedited schedule?

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Question 182-17(3): Emergency Housing Need

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Members have heard the answer before and they will continue to hear it: As long as we have vacant units that need to be repaired every year, we will have vacant units that are being worked on. That answer will never change.

As to what we’re doing right now, I understand the Member is concerned over the vacant home ownership units. That is one that we’ve aggressively been trying to address. Sometimes we can’t get folks in there because the income doesn’t match or there are other reasons. It’s not always just the income. The ones that we’ve had in the past, we have tried to convert to public housing so we can utilize more of them.

I’ll have to follow up on the 10 that are in the Member’s constituency, because I do know we had 135 a couple of years ago and we had very aggressive plans, and we had converted a lot of these into public housing units so we could utilize them, because we’ve heard from across the Northwest Territories that we have all these vacant units. We don’t want them vacant. Some have been vacant for five years. We’ve been trying to address that.

Again, I will follow up on the 10 that the Member speaks of and find out where they’re at and how we can go about filling these vacant units, because we

don’t want to see vacant units in the Northwest Territories. That’s not our goal.

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Question 182-17(3): Emergency Housing Need

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I was told at my constituency meeting – the Minister talked about the vacant home ownership units – that people are being turned down for home ownership units because the income ceilings are unrealistic. Obviously, with up to 10 vacant units in a community as small as Ndilo/Detah, there’s something wrong with the program practicality. The Minister knows that. He just told us. Knowing that, let’s do something about it.

Will the Minister commit to review those guidelines again and consider means to place home ownership units or transfer them into the public housing stock, which I know he said he would do the latter?

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Question 182-17(3): Emergency Housing Need

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

We’ve tried every which way to get as many people into these home ownership units as possible. We’ve tried having a 10 percent gap where if they were over the ceilin