Debates of Dec. 10th, 1991

This is page numbers 24 - 48 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 1st Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was report .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Ministers' Statement 5-12(1): Community Transfer Initiative

Ministers' Statement 6-12(1): Seat Belt Usage

Ministers' Statement 7-12(1): Youth Initiatives Program

Motion To Move Ministers' Statement 5-12(1): To Committee Of The Whole

Government Leader's Commitment To Open Government

Acting President Of Tfn

Community Elections

Question O8-12(1): Involvement Of Ordinary Members In Implementation Of Beatty Report Recommendations

Question O9-12(1): Additional Nurse For Chesterfield Inlet

Question O10-12(1): Incorporating Petroleum, Oil And Lubricants Program With Power Corporation

Question O11-91(1): Snare Lake Winter Road

Question O12-12(1): Legislation To Protect Privacy Of Social Assistance Clients

Question O13-12(1): Funding For Chiefs' Salaries

Question O14-12(1): First Class Travel For Expo '92 Personnel

Question O15-12(1): Interest Rate Guidelines For Business Loans And Guarantees Fund

Question O16-12(1): GNWT Approval Of Gwich'in Final Agreement

Question O17-12(1): Undated Letter Of Resignation From Hon. John Pollard

Question O18-12(1): Job Requirements, NWT Power Corporation

Question O19-12(1): Job Requirements Prior To Transfer Of NWT Power Corporation To GNWT

Question O20-12(1): Tabling Of Report Re Disturbance At Yellowknife Correctional Centre

Question O21-12(1): Implementation And Impact Of Combining Petroleum Oil Lubricants With Power Corporation

Question O22-12(1): Implementation Of Beatty Report Recommendations In Relation To Constitutional Development In Western Arctic

Return Question O22-12(1): Implementation Of Beatty Report Recommendations In Relation To Constitutional Development In Western Arctic

Supplementary Question O22-12(1): Implementation Of Beatty Report Recommendations In Relation To Constitutional Development In Western Arctic

Further Return Question O22-12(1): Implementation Of Beatty Report Recommendations In Relation To Constitutional Development In Western Arctic

Question O23-12(1): Workers' Compensation For Hunters And Trappers

Question O24-12(1): Membership On Workers' Compensation Board

Question O25-12(1): Disciplining Government Employees For Releasing Confidential Information

Question O26-12(1): Directive On Breach Of Confidentiality

Question O27-12(1): Internal Review Of NWT Power Corporation

Question O28-12(1): Funding For Fort Providence Church

Question O29-12(1): Freeze On Capital Projects

Question O30-12(1): Freeze On Contributions

Question O31-12(1): Legislation To Protect Women In Divorce Cases

Committee Report 1-12(1): Report Of The Standing Committee On Agencies, Boards And Commissions

Committee Report 2-12(1): Report Of The Standing Committee On Legislation

Item 11: Tabling Of Documents

Notice Of Motion 21-12(1): Appointment To Standing Committee On Rules, Procedures And Privileges

Notice Of Motion 22-12(1): Terms Of Reference For The Standing Committee On Rules, Procedures And Privileges

Notice Of Motion 23-12(1): Walk-in Freezer For Kakisa

Notice Of Motion 24-12(1): Serving Of Alcohol At Government-sponsored Functions

Notice Of Motion 25-12(1): Establishment Of A Tax Reform Commission

Notice Of Motion For First Reading Of Bill 1: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1991-92

Notice Of Motion For First Reading Of Bill 3: Adoption Of The French Version Of Statutes And Statutory Instruments Act

Notice Of Motion For First Reading Of Bill 2: Borrowing Authorization Act

Item 14: Motions

Appointment To The Standing Committee On Rules, Procedures And Privileges

Terms Of Reference For The Standing Committee On Rules, Procedures And Privileges

Tabled Document 3-12(1), "strength At Two Levels," To Committee Of The Whole

Item 17: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Ministers' Statement 2-12(1): And Tabled Document 3-12(1)

Item 18: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 20: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Mr. Bernhardt , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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---Prayer

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 24

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Orders of the day for Tuesday, December 10, 1991. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Ministers' Statement 5-12(1): Community Transfer Initiative

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 24

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you. Yesterday the Government Leader indicated that cabinet agrees with the general direction of the report, "Strength At Two Levels," and in particular the major emphasis the report places on transferring significantly more authority, responsibility and resources to communities. These transfers will give community residents more control over their own lives and will also create more local jobs.

We know that MLAs and communities will judge our performance on this item more than on any other issue and, on behalf of my cabinet colleagues and our Government Leader , I want to state very clearly that community self-government is and will be a major priority. The Ministry of Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs is taking the lead role in implementing community transfer agreements. A community transfer committee, made up of deputy ministers and chaired by my deputy minister, is in place to oversee this process.

A full-time working group which will report to the committee is being established, and each department will be instructed to work closely with them. Regional directors will also be closely linked to the process.

However, we know that this project will not succeed if it is shaped and driven by headquarters. Community and aboriginal leaders and Members of this House have a critically important role to play. We have some ideas, but we need your views and your active involvement to make this initiative work.

Our goal is to help interested communities establish much stronger governments at the community level. This is not a simple matter. Each of our communities is unique, and each may have its own problems and priorities. What we must do, together, is develop an approach that has some basic guidelines and consistencies yet is flexible enough to accommodate the differing needs of interested communities.

Some communities may be ready to assume broad responsibilities; others may want to focus on one or two program areas; others may want to start by consolidating, under one roof, the responsibilities being currently exercised in the community before they assume new ones; and still others may want to continue as they are now. I must also stress that we can only deal with a reasonable number of communities at any one time.

One important issue we must come to grips with, especially with the chiefs and band councils in Dene communities, is the role aboriginal self-government should play in this initiative. While this is a question we are willing to address, it is not one for which we have the answers. We will be seeking your advice on this sensitive but important issue.

The community transfer committee is in the process of developing a comprehensive strategy for implementing community transfer agreements. A kick-off phase will give us an opportunity to inform northern residents about our intentions and to seek advice from community and aboriginal leaders, and MLAs, on the major elements of the strategy. A somewhat longer pre-negotiation phase will provide the government and interested communities with time to properly prepare themselves for negotiations.

We are serious about making community self-government a major focus of our term of office. We are prepared to go one step further and commit this government to making every effort possible to incorporate aspirations for aboriginal self-government into policies and a process for implementing community self-government.

Implementing community transfer agreements will be no simple task. The lack of success in past years bears this out. However, with the advice and active participation of MLAs, aboriginal and community leaders, I am certain that important changes in the areas of community and aboriginal self-government will be realized during the term of this government. Thank you.

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Ministers' Statement 5-12(1): Community Transfer Initiative

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 24

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I would like to take this opportunity to welcome to the Assembly, sitting in the gallery, Mr. Louis Pilakapsi, who is the acting president of Tungavik Federation of Nunavut.

---Applause

Ministers' statements. Mr. Allooloo .

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Ministers' Statement 6-12(1): Seat Belt Usage

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 24

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to bring to Members' attention that seat belt usage in the Northwest Territories has increased this year to 68.9 per cent from the previous level of 39 per cent in 1990, and 10 per cent in 1989.

At the same time, fatalities in the Northwest Territories have dropped from the 1989 rate of 4.2 per 10,000 vehicles to a low of 1.5 per 10,000 vehicles at the end of 1990; a rate equal to the lowest in Canada.

I would encourage all residents of the Northwest Territories to buckle up in order to achieve the national objective of a 95 per cent seat belt usage rate by 1995. Combined with other safety measures, this will assist us in preventing the unnecessary deaths of the motorists and pedestrians who use our roadways. Qujannamiik.

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Ministers' Statement 6-12(1): Seat Belt Usage

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 24

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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Ministers' Statement 7-12(1): Youth Initiatives Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 25

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the youth initiatives program provides support directly to young people on issues related to the concerns of alcohol and drug prevention and intervention. I am pleased to announce that through this program there will be a booth for the youth initiatives program at the community-based Careers and Trades Occupation Fair being held tomorrow, Wednesday, December 11, 1991, at the Explorer Hotel in the Katimavik Rooms.

The student council of Akaitcho Hall, in conjunction with students attending school in Yellowknife from the various regions, have been working together setting up the display booth for this event. A poster and a booklet entitled "A Guide to Programs and Services for Young People in the Northwest Territories" will be distributed at this fair. The Department of Social Services is pleased to assist the youth of the Northwest Territories to participate in drug-free, fun-filled events.

I encourage my colleagues, my constituency members and everyone else to take

part in this career fair and to stop by their booth, thereby showing support for their worthwhile venture. Thank you.

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Ministers' Statement 7-12(1): Youth Initiatives Program

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 25

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Ministers' statements. Mr. Zoe .

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Motion To Move Ministers' Statement 5-12(1): To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 25

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Inuvik , that the Ministers' Statement 5-12(1), entitled "Community Transfer Initiative" presented by the Minister for Intergovernmental and Aboriginal Affairs , be moved into committee of the whole.

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Motion To Move Ministers' Statement 5-12(1): To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 25

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The motion is in order at any time. All those in favour of the motion? Opposed? The motion is carried.

---Carried

Ministers' statements. Government Leader .

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Motion To Move Ministers' Statement 5-12(1): To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 25

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I would like to mention to the House that Mr. John Ningark will not be attending the session today because of a family illness. He asked me to express his apologies.

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Motion To Move Ministers' Statement 5-12(1): To Committee Of The Whole, Carried

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 25

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Government Leader's Commitment To Open Government

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 25

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as the chairperson of the ordinary Members committee, I have taken the responsibility to advise the government that on November 15, 1991, the Government Leader indicated a commitment, and I quote: "...to a more open style of government and greater ordinary Member involvement in decision-making."

Yesterday, Mr. Speaker, the Government Leader read a statement entitled "Living Within Our Means" and advised the Members of this House of significant changes to the organization of this government, such as the consolidation of the petroleum, oils and lubricants program under the NWT Power Corporation. After announcing these major changes, the Government Leader subsequently tabled the Beatty report in this House.

Mr. Speaker, although the ordinary Members of this House generally support the Beatty report, we are concerned with some of the recommendations. There was no discussion and no opportunity for their views to be known or expressed prior to the announcement yesterday. And if this government is truly dedicated to a more open style of government, it would have provided the ordinary Members of this House an opportunity to express those concerns prior to announcing its recommendations in the House yesterday.

Due to these recent developments, Mr. Speaker, the ordinary Members of this House feel that the intention of the Government Leader is contradictory to the Government Leader 's statement on a more open style of government. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Government Leader's Commitment To Open Government

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 25

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Mr. Arvaluk .

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Acting President Of Tfn

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 25

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. As you have heard, the TFN president was accused before the court. I do not want to state that again, but the acting president, Louis Pilakapsi, is capable and he has been with TFN for a long time. This is not going to affect the activities of the TFN and their ultimate goals and objectives.

I think the MLAs from Nunavut will have to welcome him and keep open the lines of communication and to accept him as such. I do not want anybody in this House thinking that TFN is going in a different direction than before. They are still going to be working for us, and by no means have their responsibilities been lessened. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Acting President Of Tfn

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Arvaluk . Members' statements. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Community Elections

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 25

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

The hamlet elections were held yesterday in the communities of Baker Laker and Arviat, as well as the election for the Keewatin Inuit Association. I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate those people who were elected to those respected councils. At a time when the people in the NWT are looking for a change, we, as Members of this Legislature, are responding to their requests by taking the report, "Strength at Two Levels", seriously. I only hope that the implementation will be at a pace that is acceptable to the communities.

I would also like to congratulate those people who were elected to the community education councils in my constituency of Baker Lake and Arviat. They play a very important role in the NWT because education is the first step in the development of any country or community.

I know those people who were elected will work in the best interests of their respective communities. I made it a commitment during my campaign, Mr. Speaker, to work together with the community organizations and will gladly give myself to the people and the organizations of Baker Lake and Arviat. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Community Elections

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Members' statement.

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Question O8-12(1): Involvement Of Ordinary Members In Implementation Of Beatty Report Recommendations

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 26

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, there has been a great deal of comment, both in the Government Leader 's statement yesterday and in Mr. Kakfwi 's statement today, of the need to involve ordinary MLAs as it relates to the Beatty report. However, there seems to be no reference as to the specifics of how MLAs are going to be involved. Therefore, will the Government Leader commit today to involving ordinary MLAs or a committee of MLAs to be directly involved now with cabinet in developing a phased implementation strategy which will reflect consensus of this House?

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Question O8-12(1): Involvement Of Ordinary Members In Implementation Of Beatty Report Recommendations

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Madam Government Leader .

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Question O8-12(1): Involvement Of Ordinary Members In Implementation Of Beatty Report Recommendations

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I think I mentioned before that we are putting together an implementation process which is almost complete and will be presented to the ordinary Members to ensure the involvement of all MLAs.

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Question O8-12(1): Involvement Of Ordinary Members In Implementation Of Beatty Report Recommendations

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mr. Arvaluk .

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Question O9-12(1): Additional Nurse For Chesterfield Inlet

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 26

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will direct this to the Minister of Health . The council of the hamlet of Chesterfield Inlet felt that the workload for a single nurse stationed in the community of 331 is overwhelming, especially when she is on call for 24 hours a day, seven days a week. We feel that the well-being of the nurse is very important, and it would be less stressful for the nurse if there were two nurses stationed in the community. I would like to ask the Minister of Health if this letter, written November 19, 1991, has been responded to.

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Question O9-12(1): Additional Nurse For Chesterfield Inlet

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 26

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Health , Mr. Whitford .

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Question O9-12(1): Additional Nurse For Chesterfield Inlet

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 26

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I have not seen the letter, and if I could get a copy of that letter, I will endeavour to follow up on the request of the Member for some attention to be paid to that problem he has outlined in Chesterfield Inlet.

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Question O9-12(1): Additional Nurse For Chesterfield Inlet

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 26

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Question O10-12(1): Incorporating Petroleum, Oil And Lubricants Program With Power Corporation

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 26

John Todd

Keewatin Central

In the Government Leader 's statement yesterday, it was clear to this House that the government intends to incorporate the POL, petroleum, oil and lubricants program, with the NWT Power Corporation. We are told in the speech that this incorporation is to gain greater efficiencies. On what basis did we determine that the Power Corporation has the ability to take on greater responsibilities, as there was little or no review done of the Power Corporation during preparation of the Beatty report?

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Question O10-12(1): Incorporating Petroleum, Oil And Lubricants Program With Power Corporation

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 26

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Minister responsible for the Power Corporation , Ms. Cournoyea .

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Question O10-12(1): Incorporating Petroleum, Oil And Lubricants Program With Power Corporation

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 26

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the suggestion for turning the POL over and incorporating it with the Power Corporation has been on the books for a number of years. The former standing committee on finance had made that recommendation. We are now conducting the strategy on how that is going to be incorporated.

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Question O10-12(1): Incorporating Petroleum, Oil And Lubricants Program With Power Corporation

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 26

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Zoe .

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Question O11-91(1): Snare Lake Winter Road

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 26

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Transportation , a follow-up on yesterday's question. Would the Minister advise the House before the end of this week, Friday, if the government will be putting in a winter road to Snare Lake?

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Question O11-91(1): Snare Lake Winter Road

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Transportation , Mr. Allooloo .

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Question O11-91(1): Snare Lake Winter Road

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 26

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would hope I would have a bit more time for the department to assess what is needed to be shipped to Snare Lake. But if the Member wants to know by the end of this week, I will attempt to do that, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question O11-91(1): Snare Lake Winter Road

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Page 26

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Michael Ballantyne

The Minister is taking the question as notice. Oral questions. Oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Question O12-12(1): Legislation To Protect Privacy Of Social Assistance Clients

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 26

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, this question will be directed to the Minister of Social Services . Last summer when the Department of Social Services was somewhat in an uproar -- I even believe it was called a "Social Services scandal" -- there were three social workers, specifically Ann Enge, who had released a lot of confidential documents, with the assistance of Priscilla Hamann and Marjorie Sakundiak. These particular social workers, in my opinion, acted in a very unprofessional and unethical manner.

Mr. Speaker, recognizing that the current Social Services Minister is related to two of those workers, it probably would be difficult for him to address the issue. However, Mr. Speaker, to avoid future confidential information such as social assistance files being released to the public, will the Minister introduce legislation such as a privacy act for social assistance clients to be protected in the future?

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Page 26

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Social Services , Mr. Whitford .

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Question O12-12(1): Legislation To Protect Privacy Of Social Assistance Clients

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Page 26

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the House had been moving toward a freedom of information act, and now I hear we want a confidentiality act. I think the Member would recollect my concerns expressed last year when this debate was taking place about the privacy of government and individuals. I hear what she is saying, and I think that the government will take the question seriously and review its necessity.

I do not wish to respond entirely to the Member's allegations of my being related to everybody -- I have a lot of relatives around, but it does not hinder me from doing my work. I will take the question seriously, and I will put it to the government to take a look at and see where this can apply.

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Michael Ballantyne

The Minister is taking the question as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Question O13-12(1): Funding For Chiefs' Salaries

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Page 27

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to, probably, the Minister of Aboriginal Rights, and it is with regard to chiefs' salaries. During the week of November 18 in Fort Rae at the Dene leadership meeting, six of the present cabinet Members were present at the meeting where the chiefs requested funding for chiefs' salaries. What is the Minister of Aboriginal Rights doing about this? Mahsi.

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Michael Ballantyne

Madam Government Leader .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I had a meeting with Bill Erasmus after the meeting that took place in Fort Rae. I asked Mr. Erasmus to come with a proposal, and I am waiting to receive that so we can consider it. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O14-12(1): First Class Travel For Expo '92 Personnel

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Page 27

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Mr. Speaker, last year we approved four million dollars to have the Department of Economic Development and Tourism develop a plan for Seville, Spain, and I understand we do have some liaison officers that do travel back and forth between the Northwest Territories and Seville, Spain. I would like to ask the Minister why the liaison people are travelling first class when we are in a difficult situation financially.

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Page 27

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Pollard .

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Page 27

John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I am not aware that they are travelling first class, but I will look into it and get back to the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 27

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Michael Ballantyne

The Minister has taken the question as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Zoe .

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Question O15-12(1): Interest Rate Guidelines For Business Loans And Guarantees Fund

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 27

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will direct my question to the same Minister. I would like to ask him a question pertaining to the Business Loans and Guarantees Fund regarding its interest rate guidelines. Mr. Speaker, the bank rate is now the lowest it has been for the past number of years. It is my understanding that the Business Loans and Guarantees Fund interest rates are fixed on a quarterly basis where the rate is adjusted to two per cent below the prime rate. Is the rate adjusted automatically on a quarterly basis, or is it adjusted only upon application by the client?

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Page 27

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Economic Development and Tourism , Mr. Pollard .

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Page 27

John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, the rate is Royal Bank plus two per cent, not less two per cent. We set that every 90 days. This is the rate somebody would get if they applied in a particular 90-day period.

With regard to changing the rates for people who have loans with the Government of the Northwest Territories, they have to apply to have their loans rewritten. When they do that, Mr. Speaker, they have to be a client in good standing. Also, they have to be prepared to pay the legal costs of registering any future securities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Zoe , supplementary.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that it is not automatically adjusted on a quarterly basis. Is this what the Minister indicated?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pollard .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 27

John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, we adjust the rate that we loan money at each 90 days; every three months. It is based on Royal Bank plus two per cent, sir. If there is an existing loan that a client has with us at a particular rate that he or she received in a particular 90-day period, and they want to change that rate because, as the Member says, the rate has gone down, then they must apply to the department to reregister that loan. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, I am having a difficult time here. Why does the Business Loans and Guarantees Fund not offer the floating rate options like the banks do? Why was this not considered when we put this program in?

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I am not sure if it is fair to ask the Minister what was considered when the program was first put in. Mr. Pollard , would you like to try to answer the question?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 27

John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, under the Northwest Territories Business Credit Corporation Act, regulation 51(i), it can be done by by making interest rates to certain classes of loans or to particular loans. I would think that we may be able to look at a floating interest rate, although some clients prefer to be locked in at a particular rate so they at least know what their payments are going to be. But certainly, if the Member wants us to look at it, we will do so.

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mr. Koe .

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Question O16-12(1): GNWT Approval Of Gwich'in Final Agreement

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 27

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Government Leader to clarify the government's position in regard to the approval of the Gwich'in final agreement. The final agreement, if approved, will position the Gwich'in to benefit from economic development, especially in areas of resource management and resource development and allow the Gwich'in to become major stakeholders in development of their area.

This is a simple statement of the positive impacts of the land claim, but it is apparent that the Government of the NWT takes a narrow vision of some of these benefits and is keen on the negative impacts of the government's budget, in particular, in the negotiations of their implementation plan seek only assurance that the land claim obligations will be carried out. Some of these are within the mandate of the GNWT, yet this government refuses to accept any financial burden over and above existing programs and services.

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Page 28

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you. Mr. Koe , your

preamble went on a little bit too long. I would ask Members if they would be short and to the point with their

preamble and get to the question. Madam Government Leader .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take the question under advisement and answer it tomorrow.

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Michael Ballantyne

The Government Leader is taking the question as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Lewis .

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Question O17-12(1): Undated Letter Of Resignation From Hon. John Pollard

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Page 28

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Government Leader . I know Mr. Pollard is a man of his word because I served with him for four years. Would the Government Leader confirm that he did hand her his undated letter of resignation when he took his seat in the cabinet?

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Michael Ballantyne

Madam Government Leader .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Yes, Mr. Speaker, he did, and I am prepared to table it in the House.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Lewis , supplementary.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Government Leader , because I believe she needs to have this kind of clout in our kind of government -- would she tell this House whether other Members of her cabinet have taken Mr. Pollard 's lead to give her an undated letter of resignation following Mr. Pollard 's example?

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Michael Ballantyne

Madam Government Leader .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have received from one other Member the indication that he plans to proceed in giving me a letter the same as Mr. Pollard , however, we have been very busy and I have not been hounding anyone to give me the letter. We have one coming and the others have not, at this time, given me a letter.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Further supplementary, Mr. Lewis .

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Government Leader make a formal request to every Member of her cabinet to follow Mr. Pollard 's example that they would, in fact, give her an undated letter of resignation?

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Michael Ballantyne

Madam Government Leader .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I think Mr. Pollard has indicated to the rest of the Members that he did give the letter and they were shown a copy of the letter, and we have discussed the issue. I would hope at this time that this would be coming voluntarily, and I would appreciate if I did not have to give a formal request in writing because we have discussed it, and I feel confident that these letters will be forthcoming. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O18-12(1): Job Requirements, NWT Power Corporation

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 28

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation. The Power Corporation, previously the Northern Canada Power Commission, has over the years employed many northern residents in supervisory and management roles. Would the Minister table in this House the current job requirements for community or area superintendents?

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Minister responsible for the Power Corporation , Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, yes.

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Question O19-12(1): Job Requirements Prior To Transfer Of NWT Power Corporation To GNWT

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

A new question to the same Minister. Would the Minister include the original job requirements for community or area superintendents prior to the transfer of Northern Canada Power Commission to the Government of the Northwest Territories?

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Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, if I can find it and if we do have it. It should be recognized that a lot of times, in the transfer from federal to territorial responsibility, these documents are not transferred along with the transfer. However, I will make my best effort. If I can find it I will table it. Thank you.

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Question O20-12(1): Tabling Of Report Re Disturbance At Yellowknife Correctional Centre

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Social Services and is with regard to the riot at the Yellowknife Correctional Centre on January 1, 1991. On at least four occasions during the eighth session of the 11th Assembly, you requested the Minister of the day to table the complete report of the investigation into the disturbance at YCC. An Executive

summary of this report was tabled on March 20, 1991, but we still have not seen the report he was seeking, Mr. Speaker. My question to the new Minister is this: Will the Minister now table the complete report on the investigation into the January 1, 1991, disturbance at the Yellowknife Correctional Centre?

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Social Services , Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

As I used to say from across the floor, Mr. Speaker, "Good question." I guess we see things differently here. Now we are on the other side, the shoe is on the other foot. The honourable Member will be pleased to know that I have read parts of that report and I will tell you it is pretty dry reading. It is not something that is going to make good news.

---Laughter

There is nothing that you do not already know that the honourable Minister from last year has not already told the House. Maybe the names could be concealed or initialled or something like that to prevent any breach of confidentiality or privacy. I will review that situation and take a look at seeing whether I will table the report in its entirety, but I will tell you it is not that great.

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Michael Ballantyne

I take it the question is taken as notice, Mr. Whitford . Oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Question O21-12(1): Implementation And Impact Of Combining Petroleum Oil Lubricants With Power Corporation

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Government Leader . Given the indication that we have had some discussion previously of combining POL with the NWT Power Corporation, could the Government Leader clarify how far along the implementation plans are right now and, specifically, what the impact is? Does this mean that POL positions are looking at being moved to Hay River, or has that been considered yet?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the overall implementation plan on how we are going to proceed with the tasks that have been mentioned up to this point in time should be complete soon. At this point in time, there has been no decision on moving any positions anywhere. The review, study, or the gathering of information is taking place right now. There has been no decision on what the process is, or what is going to be done at this point in time in terms of where the work force is best assigned, but the indications are that there is no intention of moving positions elsewhere.

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Question O22-12(1): Implementation Of Beatty Report Recommendations In Relation To Constitutional Development In Western Arctic

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, in the 11th Assembly, we commenced two things: the government established the review of government resulting in the Beatty report; and the Assembly set up a commission to look at constitutional development in the Western Arctic. I would like to ask the Government Leader if it is her intention to wait for that commission report dealing with constitutional arrangements in the West before she begins to reorganize all the government, which may be very severely impacted by that commission report?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, we are starting the process now in terms of consolidation of the work force of the Northwest Territories government. This issue, to my understanding, has no impact on the broad constitutional discussions that are going on. If communities are not prepared at this point in time to take on added responsibility, that has to be done at the community level. These discussions will take some time to be put into place. I believe that some communities want to proceed as quickly as possible because they believe the best place for decision-making and accountability is at the community level.

In consolidating some of the departments, I hope that at that point in time we will be able to ease far better the aspirations of the communities in terms of taking over responsibilities. At this point in time, the process is getting into place. Perhaps the commission will have its recommendations before we move significantly in terms of community transfers, but at this point in time I believe these things are two different issues. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Since the commission has yet to report to this Assembly indicating how, in fact, arrangements will be made for the delivery of government in the Western Arctic, on what basis has the Government Leader assumed that this commission will have no impact on what the government is proposing in the Beatty report which talks about two levels of government? On what basis has she made that assumption?

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Government Leader , Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, it does not really matter what we do as a total central government agency. Communities have indicated for a long time that they want the programs and services, as much as possible, to be done at a community level. Some people have a little bit of a different idea but they want that at a community level. If there are other forums, regarding the politics of that community government, it does not take away from the fact that communities say they are the best people to take over much of the responsibilities and programs and services that relate to the people.

I see the attempt to reach the aspirations of community people to be a positive approach; that it would only complement further responsibility in terms of the political make-up that the commission will be making recommendations on. Thank you.

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Mr. Lewis , your second supplementary.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Will the Government Leader commit to this House today that she will not move toward the allocation of powers which could have a constitutional impact, before we have had a chance to see

what it is that this commission recommends to this House about constitutional arrangements in the Western Arctic?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that at this phase the commission is talking about very broad principles of political evolution in the Western Arctic. I believe that there are a lot of concerns here that life has to go on. These political discussions will take place on an ongoing basis. The recommendations of the commission also takes into consideration -- I am very sure -- what we are doing as a government to support the day-to-day initiatives and desires of communities. I believe while we are proceeding these things will be taken into consideration.

But I do not believe that the lives of people at the community level, what they want to do, how they want to carry on their lives, should be stopped. These things gradually work in; people exercise their responsibilities, and they are far better to be brought into a political responsibility, which is exactly what will happen once those broad principles have been established by the commission. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O23-12(1): Workers' Compensation For Hunters And Trappers

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

I would like to direct my question to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. Mr. Speaker, under

section 10(1) of the Workers' Compensation Board, it describes the occupations of hunters and trappers as "principally engaged in hunting and trapping." But under the regulation it also puts a price tag on what that means. In other words a person has to make over $10,000 in order for them to be principally engaged in hunting and trapping. I would like to know why the Minister or the department has chosen to put a price tag on what "principally engaged" means, since the definition does not necessarily restrict it to only money.

I think it is a way of life for aboriginal people and I do not think there should be a price tag on it. Why did they decide to put $10,000 on it in order for a hunter or trapper to be eligible for compensation?

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I am not sure if that is within the knowledge of the Minister, but if Mr. Patterson would like to attempt it.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not sure that the definition of "principally engaged in hunting and trapping" is being applied precisely the way the honourable Member suggests; for example, by a dollar figure. However, I would like to explain that, as I understand it, the previous government had made a policy decision that there should be some limits on the definition of "principally engaged in hunting and trapping" because the previous

interpretation of the policy had been that the only question that was asked, in order to determine whether a person was principally engaged in hunting and trapping for purposes of being eligible for WCB coverage, the only question that was asked was, "Does this person have a general hunting licence?" I am sure the honourable Member will agree that not every general hunting licence holder is a person who is an active hunter or trapper.

So Mr. Speaker, it was felt that there was a need to give the definition a little more precision because a completely open-ended definition could expose the government to considerable, and perhaps, open-ended kinds of financial obligations.

Mr. Speaker, I will tell the honourable Member that I am aware this issue needs to be paid attention to. I think it is also tied up with the whole question of support for hunters and trappers, which I know the Minister of Renewable Resources is also concerned about dealing with, and I will assure the honourable Member -- I am not trying to take the question as notice -- that it is an issue that I want to pursue in my connection with my new responsibilities for the WCB, but also in consultation with the Minister of Renewable Resources and perhaps other departments of our government that are concerned about this issue.

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Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister responsible for Workers' Compensation whether any of the Members of the board are of aboriginal descent?

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Michael Ballantyne

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I have not asked that particular question. I can tell the honourable Member who the current Members of the Workers' Compensation Board are, but I am not aware of their ethnic origin.

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Michael Ballantyne

For the record, that was a new question to the Minister. Oral questions. Mr. Gargan , supplementary to that question. I understood that the Minister was not taking it as notice.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

I am aware that there are no aboriginal people on the board, but those are non-aboriginal people who have drafted up a regulation on "principally engaged", without really any consultation with aboriginal organizations, or for that matter, hunters and trappers. If you read the document, you need to be a lawyer to do that. Most people have limited education. I would like to ask the Minister if he can assure me that aboriginal people will be consulted, including Members of this House, when the definition of "principally engaged" is worked on.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have not enquired as to the ethnic origin of members of the Workers' Compensation Board, and I am not sure he is correct that there are no aboriginal members on the board, but I do not know for sure. His question as to Members of the Assembly being consulted in the process of dealing with the issue of definition of hunters and trappers for the purpose of WCB coverage, I would want to assure the honourable Member that I will consult Members of this Assembly as I deal with this issue, along with other Ministers of this government. I will keep Members informed and I will seek their views.

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Mr. Gargan , supplementary.

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Samuel Gargan

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Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister if he could provide the Members of this House with the names of the people who are serving on the Workers' Compensation Board and where they come from.

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Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Question O25-12(1): Disciplining Government Employees For Releasing Confidential Information

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, since I advised the Minister of Social Services that three particular workers, Ann Enge, Priscilla Hamann and Marjorie Sakundiak, had acted in a very unprofessional and unethical way in releasing documents, I would like to ask the Minister of Personnel whether he will consider taking steps in respect to looking at the releasing of the documents and why the conduct of work ethics was not used by these particular workers, in particular, the breach of confidential information. Will the Minister of Personnel advise this House on whether steps will be taken by labour relations to avoid the release of confidential information of this sort in the future by civil servants?

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Michael Ballantyne

I just want to make the House aware of the fact that I am having a little problem with the question because some of the information contained in the question may not be in the general knowledge of all Members, and there are some inferences contained within the question. So I will ask if the Minister would like to respond to the question, keeping in mind I am having a little bit of difficulty with it. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, during the summer, as a Member of the last cabinet I was a little involved and interested in the goings on by the media and the union and all the politicking that went on at the expense of certain individuals. I know at the time I had looked at whether or not certain staff may or may not be acting properly in the course of their jobs. It was my view at the time that nothing that was brought to my attention warranted any action on the part of government. I left it at that and there is nothing to suggest it should be revisited at this time.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mrs. Marie-Jewell , supplementary.

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Question O26-12(1): Directive On Breach Of Confidentiality

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, will the Minister be able to advise this House whether or not there is a directive in respect to work ethics used by civil servants regarding breach of confidentiality?

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Personnel , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Question O26-12(1): Directive On Breach Of Confidentiality

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, if there is a directive I am not aware of it and I am not sure of the total parameters the directive would cover. I know that within the Department of Personnel there are certain restrictions placed on members, staff of the department. I am not aware of the directives that would govern the behaviour and conduct of members of the different departments, like Justice, Social Services, Health. I will have to take the question as notice and get back to the Member.

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Michael Ballantyne

The question is taken as notice. Mr. Todd .

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Question O27-12(1): Internal Review Of NWT Power Corporation

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, given the previous discussions by the Government Leader with respect that there have been ongoing discussions regarding the transfer of POL and the Power Corporation being amalgamated, at any point over the short period of time that the Power Corporation has been turned over from the federal government to the territorial government, has there been an internal review done to determine the efficiency of the Power Corporation?

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister responsible for the Power Corporation , Ms. Cournoyea .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the Power Corporation in itself continues to review what they have been doing since the turnover, mainly because it is a new responsibility. At the first outset, in looking at the employees who were employed in many small communities, to upgrade their salaries to the jobs they are doing, because we found at the beginning that a lot of the people that are working at the community level were grossly underpaid, and compensated for the work they were doing.

On a continuing basis the board themselves have gone into looking at how they are operating, how they can do things better, as well as when there are changes in the relationship with the Public Utilities Board, and they are continually looking at how the Power Corporation is operating as well. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Mr. Gargan .

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Question O28-12(1): Funding For Fort Providence Church

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Culture and Communications . On the committee that I represent in Fort Providence I made a motion and had asked for $25,000 to help them out with this project. Last Thursday they said they had changed their mind and they said that they cannot supply them with the $25,000 toward this project. Now that they cannot get this $25,000 the community will not have a church. With Christmas coming on they will not have any Mass for the people. We have been working on this project for a long time now, and they have changed their mind and said they will not help them with the funding.

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Question O28-12(1): Funding For Fort Providence Church

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Michael Ballantyne

Quite a long question, Mr. Gargan . Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that the previous Government Leader had agreed to give the $25,000 for the church in Fort Providence. Up to today we have been told by the Financial Management Board that they will not approve the $25,000 this year because of the budget.

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Michael Ballantyne

Supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask a supplementary question to the Minister of Culture and Communications . I have worked on this project for almost 20 years. What he had to say was not very hard to say. I wonder if the Minister had really worked toward that and if he had told cabinet that.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not really understand the question that has been asked. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Gargan , would you like to try that one again?

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, all I said is that I have worked just about three years on this whole issue of the church in Fort Providence, and I realize that there is a new Executive and there is a restraint. But what I have also asked the Minister responsible is whether or not he made a point to his other colleagues to make an argument on my behalf to the Executive Council so that it could be approved.

I do not know whether he has consulted with his colleagues on the circumstances leading to the request, and so I would like to ask the Minister whether or not he did, in fact, consult with his Executive Members to make an argument on my behalf so that the community might be able to receive $25,000, which is not very much, from the original $150,000.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you for the clarification, Mr. Speaker. Because of the 90 days freeze on capital projects, I am told that I cannot come forward for funding for capital projects. After the 90 day period is over, I am willing to come to my cabinet colleagues to see if they would approve such funding. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I realize that there is a freeze, but the request was made prior to the government's position on putting on a freeze. The other issue is that there was also an agreement signed by the community, which I believe the Minister only had to sign and then the transaction is completed, but I guess, while the community did sign, and before it got to the Minister, the government decided to establish a position on restricting expenditures. I think that in this case the government would view that as one of the bases for maybe approving the $25,000. I would like to ask the Minister whether he would consider that.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Last supplementary, Mr. Gargan . Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just stated that we will look at the project again after the 90-day period is over. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Zoe .

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Question O29-12(1): Freeze On Capital Projects

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In light of the comments made by the honourable Member for Amittuq responding to my colleague, I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Finance . Is it true what the Minister is saying that all approved capital projects for 1991-92 are frozen within the 90-day period? I sit on the standing committee on finance and I was not informed that this was the case. Is this something new?

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, in this case I think my colleague meant to say a contribution which was $25,000 for the church in Fort Providence. Capital projects are not frozen, although I would advise the House that contracting departments, all departments of the government, are advising us of projects that are budgeted for this year that have not been started. FMB will be looking at that next week, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Todd .

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Question O30-12(1): Freeze On Contributions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

My question would be to Mr. Pollard . Did I hear you say that all contributions are frozen?

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, in this particular instance the FMB turned down the submission by the Minister with regard to the church in Fort Providence. Not all contributions are frozen, but they are going up to Ministers, and they may go on to the Government Leader 's office and be approved there. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Question O31-12(1): Legislation To Protect Women In Divorce Cases

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 32

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Justice . In our jurisdiction we do not have any legislation in respect to protection of women when it comes to the area of divorces. Women sometimes help their spouses build up businesses, and there is basically no protection that allows them a 50 per cent settlement made in their favour.

I would like to know if the Minister of Justice will consider formulating legislation to ensure that women are protected and recognized when they assist their spouses in building businesses or whatever, and do it basically by working; or sometimes spouses live on the women's salaries, and when their businesses come to fruition and divorces are in process, there is currently nothing to protect the interests of the women. Would it be possible for this type of legislation to be considered for women to fall back on in the event of a divorce case.

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Michael Ballantyne

Minister of Justice , Mr. Patterson .

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