Debates of Nov. 7th, 2013

This is page numbers 3413 – 3448 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was education .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Aboriginal Tourism Champions Advisory Council Recommendations

Minister Absent From The House

Policing Services In Tsiigehtchic

Cabinet Mid-Term Report Card

Importance Of Highway No. 7 To Deh Cho Region

Remembrance Day Services

“the Fightin’ Side Of Me” – Sahtu Style

Independent Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project

Cleanup Of Northbelt Recreation Area

Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

Northern Youth Abroad Program

Condolences On The Passing Of Tu Nedhe Residents

Remembrance Day Services

Committee Report 1-17(5): Standing Committee On Economic Development And Infrastructure Report On Bakken Shale Formation Tour

Motion To Receive And Adopt Committee Report 1-17(5), Standing Committee On Economic Development And Infrastructure Report On Bakken Shale Formation Tour 2013

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Council For The Advancement Of Native Development Economic Developer Of The Year Award Recipient Sarah Erasmus

Programs To Support Youth Trapping

Policing Services In Tsiigehtchic

Disclosure Of Chemicals Used In Hydraulic Fracturing

Investments In Highway No. 7

Supporting A Northern Film Industry

Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

Independent Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Process

Inuvik To Tuktoyaktuk Highway Project Costs

Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

Corridors For Canada III Proposal For A Mackenzie Valley Highway

Deh Cho Bridge Project Deficiencies

Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

Written Question 3-17(5): Cost Of Income Support And Related Income Security Programs

Written Question 4-17(5): Cost Effectiveness Of Greenhouse Gas Reduction Initiatives

Tabled Document 13-17(5): Aboriginal Tourism: Recommendations For A Strategic Action Plan

Tabled Document 14-17(5): 2012 Public Service Annual Report, Government Of The Northwest Territories

Tabled Document 15-17(5): Achieving Our Priorities: Believing In People And Building On The Strengths Of Northerners

Tabled Document 16-17(5): Northwest Territories Housing Corporation Annual Report 2012-2013

Tabled Document 17-17(5): Package Of Material In Support Of Motion 6-17(5), Strengthening Municipal Enforcement Of Liquor Laws

Bill 7: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2014-2015

Extended Adjournment Of The House To February 5, 2014

Appointment Of Languages Commissioner

Education Renewal And Innovation

Strengthening Municipal Enforcement Of Liquor Laws

Recorded Vote

Bill 7: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2014-2015

Bill 1: Reindeer Act

Bill 2: Archeological Sites Act

Bill 3: Surface Rights Board Act

Bill 4: Health Information Act

Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The Motor Vehicles Act

Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Medical Care Act

Bill 7: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2014-2015

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Bill 7: Supplementary Appropriation Act (Infrastructure Expenditures), No. 1, 2014-2015

Assent To Bills

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues.

Before we start today, I would like to take this opportunity to recognize the achievements of my aunty in Alaska, Mrs. Sally Smith.

Sally Smith received the Shirley Demientieff Award on October 24, 2013, at the Alaska Federation of Natives Convention in Fairbanks.

The award, presented each year at AFN, was given by Governor Sean Parnell for advocacy on behalf of native women and children in Alaska.

A Yu’pik from Dillingham, Sally Smith has served as a health care advocate and leader for 45 years. Smith has worked tirelessly in Alaska and across the world to improve the health of Alaska natives and native Americans. She has dedicated her life to establishing culturally and scientifically appropriate cancer clinical research for Alaska native people.

Sally Smith serves on the board of directors for the Alaska Native Tribal Health Consortium and has previously chaired the National Indian Health Board of Directors. She is the current chairman of Alaska Native Medical Centre.

On behalf of Members of the 17

Assembly, I would

like to send my congratulations to Mrs. Sally Smith.

Item 2, Ministers’ statements. Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister's Statement 4-17(5): Aboriginal Tourism Champions Advisory Council Recommendations

Ministers’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, tourism is a vital industry here in the Northwest Territories. Of all sectors, tourism presents the greatest likelihood of creating economic opportunities in each region, especially in the smaller communities. This is especially true of our Aboriginal tourism sector. Through the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment, the Government of the Northwest

Territories has been working with the Aboriginal Tourism Champions Advisory Council to advance and develop Aboriginal tourism in the NWT.

This week at the NWT Tourism Conference and Annual General Meeting, the council will publicly launch its recommendations for the Aboriginal Tourism Strategy and Action Plan, a recommendations report that I will be tabling later today. I am happy to share the highlights of these recommendations with all Members.

The Aboriginal Tourism Champions Advisory Council is the lead organization responsible for overseeing the planning, product development, and promotional initiatives and implementation of the Aboriginal Tourism Framework Strategy. The council includes Aboriginal people with a passion for tourism, representing the diversity of Aboriginal cultures in the Northwest Territories. I want to thank the council members Ms. Ria Letcher and Ms. Jenni Bruce, our co-chairs; Mr. Grant Beck, Mr. Knute Hansen, Ms. Peggy Jay, Mr. Doug Lamalice, Ms. Margaret Nazon, Mr. Moise Rabesca, Ms. Judith Wright-Bird, Ms.

Karen Wright-Fraser and Mr. Richard Zieba for bringing us one step closer to making Aboriginal tourism a viable sector in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, the council has recommended increasing awareness and support for Aboriginal tourism among Aboriginal communities, organizations and governments. They have recommended improving skills for Aboriginal businesses involved in the tourism industry.

They want to see us make full use of youth and elders’ involvement in tourism. They have recommended that we promote Aboriginal culture and language through tourism.

The value of developing the Aboriginal tourism sector is not just about additional revenue and jobs at the local level. During the time the council spent talking to people to develop these recommendations, many said that the true value of developing this sector is in revitalizing and invigorating a sense of pride in Aboriginal culture and traditions.

Communities are already benefiting from visitor interest in authentic Aboriginal tourism experiences. For example, the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment worked with the community of

Deline to organize a familiarization tour with a group of travel wholesalers. The visitors were impressed with the experiences available there and have made plans to visit Deline next year with other groups.

We are going to take action to grow Aboriginal tourism in our territory. The need for input from various other departments, agencies and Aboriginal organizations is noted in the report, so the next step we are taking now is to discuss these recommendations with them.

These discussions will take place through this winter and next spring, and on the basis of the feedback received, we will draft a comprehensive strategy outlining how we can develop and promote Aboriginal tourism in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, we will continue to work with communities, the Aboriginal Tourism Champions Advisory Council, and other Government of the Northwest Territories departments to ensure a prosperous Aboriginal tourism industry, which will help to ensure a diversified and healthy economy that provides all regions and communities with opportunities and choices. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 4-17(5): Aboriginal Tourism Champions Advisory Council Recommendations

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 5-17(5): Minister Absent From The House

Ministers’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Jackson Lafferty will be absent from the House today to attend the Labour Ministers federal-provincial-territorial meeting in Toronto. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 5-17(5): Minister Absent From The House

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members’ statements. Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Policing Services In Tsiigehtchic

Members’ Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement today will focus on policing, especially in our smaller communities like Tsiigehtchic.

Mr. Speaker, and Members of the Assembly, it is crucial that the RCMP be seen and heard in our communities. It is crucial for our community members to build a relationship with the RCMP in order to have a safe neighbourhood and safer communities. Back in the day, Tsiigehtchic, known then as Arctic Red River, had one of the strongest detachments in the Delta right up until 1969. Arctic Red River had two members stationed in the community, along with a special constable.

These members used to patrol the Delta with their dog team. Two or three dog teams used to travel to Fort McPherson, visiting people and checking to see if everything was alright. These dog teams then travelled throughout the Delta, visiting families who were at their traplines. Many people remember these old stories of when we had RCMP in Tsiigehtchic.

After 1969 we have had no one stationed in Tsiigehtchic. Members from the detachment in Fort McPherson do come over to Tsiigehtchic to patrol when they can, but there is a need for law and order right now in Tsiigehtchic. People have to phone to Fort McPherson, and in most cases, they get the station here in Yellowknife. They then need to explain what the emergency is and then wait an hour or more for the RCMP to show up in Tsiigehtchic. If there was a family dispute, can you imagine what the consequences would be?

I’m speaking for the people of Tsiigehtchic when we ask, time and time again, to have RCMP posted in the community. Special constables were a common practice in the past. Special constables were the lifeline to RCMP members. They were translators, guides and more or less introduced them to the Delta. Thank you.

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Policing Services In Tsiigehtchic

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Cabinet Mid-Term Report Card

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. You know that question we all asked our Grade 11 teacher: When am I ever going to use this in the real world? Well, today that question is being put to the test.

I am pleased to say that I took statistics in Grade 11 some 30 years ago, and with this ancient knowledge my office took the liberty to evaluate statistically how well Cabinet responded to Regular Members’ oral questions from October 17

to November 4

of this year.

You’re probably wondering why this Regular Member would go through such trouble. This is a good question, and in truth, the science geek in me thought it would be a fun exercise, but the political side of me wanted to use this opportunity to get a mid-term report card for our Cabinet by evaluating the responses of concerned Regular Members. In essence, a small snapshot in time would speak volumes to the stewardship and effectiveness of Cabinet on how they are seen by the public.

So, before I share the results with you and the Members of this House, I want you to be assured that all the rules pertaining to statistical protocols were adhered to, aggregate parameters, qualifiers, as well as other determinants were clearly established in the onset of data collection. In fact, if

a response failed within the question determinant, the results went in favour to the Cabinet.

So, what did we discover during these 11 sessional days? There were 478 questions asked during oral questions by Regular Members. Of those questions, 313, or 65.48 percent of the time the Minister answered the question asked. Of the remaining questions, 165, or 34.51 percent of the time the Minister did not answer the question asked. The standard deviation or response phrase have a plus/minus rate of 3.8 percent error. Thank you Grade 11 statistics course.

What does this report card tell us? Clearly, we have to ask ourselves is roughly two out of three questions being answered by Cabinet is a good grade or is this something that can be refined during the remaining life of the 17

Assembly.

I will not answer that question today, but I will leave this with Cabinet to reflect on until we return next February and allow the bank of public opinion the opportunity to weigh in. Thank you.

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Cabinet Mid-Term Report Card

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Importance Of Highway No. 7 To Deh Cho Region

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. My statement today is directed toward our new Minister of Transportation . It’s just to let him know about my two favourite words in this Assembly: Highway 7.

I would also like to welcome the Minister to the file. Seriously though, my constituents want to be sure that their new Minister knows just how valuable Highway No. 7 is to the Deh Cho. Road conditions are always at the forefront when it comes to local and territorial elections, federal engagement and budget debates.

Highway No. 7 is the gateway to the North. The highway makes our living and brings work to us. Highway No. 7 is also an asset to tourism in the Dec Cho. From the legendary Nahanni National Park to big game hunt, from the Horne Plateau to day trips on the Mackenzie River, the Deh Cho region and the Nahendeh riding is one of the most spectacular of the Northwest Territories, but road conditions on Highway No. 7 scare most of our tourists away.

I’m sure the new Minister is aware of the dollars added to the budget this year to promote tourism. To pave the way to increase tourism in the Nahendeh, all we have to do is improve Highway No. 7.

Highway No. 7 is also vital to industry. Already, oil companies are travelling through the Nahendeh riding, in Fort Liard, and also on their way to the

central Mackenzie Valley shale resources. Canadian Zinc’s Prairie Creek Mine is in the heart of the Nahanni and adds to the pulse of the Northwest Territories economy. One of the mine’s greatest needs is a reliable transportation corridor.

Finally, Highway No. 7 is the lifeline for the people who live in the Nahendeh. Too often they try to escape to B.C. when the chipseal turns to chowder and they risk their wheels in bathtub-sized potholes.

I hope by now the map to a robust economy, not only for the Nahendeh riding but also the Northwest Territories, is becoming clear to the Minister. Highway No. 7 belongs to the people of the Northwest Territories and reflects the pride we take in our region, the value we place on our resources and the importance of our communities.

I would also like to invite the Minister to ride down Highway No. 7 at his earliest opportunity.

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Importance Of Highway No. 7 To Deh Cho Region

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Remembrance Day Services

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With this being our last day in the Legislature and Remembrance Day coming up on Monday, I’d like to dedicate my statement today to Remembrance Day.

There will be a service in Hay River sponsored by the Royal Canadian Legion. I have been very proud to participate in that service in past years. This year, as well, my colleague MLA Robert Bouchard and I will be proud to lay wreaths at the cenotaph at the Legion Remembrance Day service and read the scriptures for that service as well.

After I mentioned this week earlier, having left home at such a young age and coming from a family of veterans, I adopted the veterans that I learned to know and love in the Northwest Territories and in Hay River. Sadly, many of them have now gone on, have passed on and are fewer and fewer now, and we remember so fondly spending Remembrance Day services with them. I can’t name them because I would surely forget some, but their families know who they are and they are still dear to our heart.

As we commission the Highway of Heroes on Friday with our Minister of Transportation, and as we look for ways to remember the proud tradition and service of the Canadian military in peacekeeping and in war actions, I hope that we will all take the time to live up to the commitment that we make that we will remember them.

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Remembrance Day Services

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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“the Fightin’ Side Of Me” – Sahtu Style

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to do my Member’s statement from a song that is sung by Merle Haggard. No, it’s not the one We Don’t Smoke. It’s called The Fighting Side of Me.

I hear people talking bad about the way we do things here in the House, harping on words we use in debating and griping about the way things ought to be. I don’t mind switching sides and standing up for things I believe in, but when you’re running down my fellow MLAs, they’re walking on the fighting side of me, running down a way of life our countrymen have fought and died to keep. If they don’t love it, leave it. Let these words that I’m reading be a sign. If you are running down my Bill 24, you’re walking on the fighting side of me.

I read about the oil and gas guys who claimed they don’t believe in reporting. I just wonder how long the rest of us can count on being contamination-free. They love our oil and our diamonds and they preach about some other way of living. They are running down my regulatory board. They are walking on the fighting side of me.

They are walking on the fighting side of me, running down my Sahtu winter road funding, which hardworking men and women have fought for and kept it rut-free. If they don’t love it, leave it. Let these words that I’m reading be a sign. They are running down my wish for a $7 a day daycare. They are walking on the fighting side of me.

Finally, I want to say to you all, to all the heroes who give their service, and to the families for lending their support to us so that we could be standing here fighting for our own people. That is truly a grateful thanks from the Sahtu and the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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“the Fightin’ Side Of Me” – Sahtu Style

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Independent Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m going to be speaking on the Deh Cho Bridge and the need for an independent audit and a process regarding a number of the problems.

All I can say is, if FDR was alive today, I’m sure he would describe the Deh Cho Bridge as this: The Deh Cho Bridge is a project that will live in infamy. Why? Because it has been cursed with problems. I may describe it as a ship of our great territory. I would say that it appears to have been launched without the bottle being broken, cursed from the beginning.

We all know that the 1,045 metre structure was supposed to be the pride of every territorial citizen. It has been a dream upon many since the ‘50s, but it wasn’t until that magic pen signed that original deal back in 2007 and the sod was turned. I would say that this project would have never seen the light without that initiative.

From the start it seemed to be under some type of grey cloud. Now, as we start to reflect and look back and, as I say, we look forward, do we want to continue the same types of errors?

The Deh Cho Bridge itself was built on complicated and ever-shifting sands. We are here today because of those things. To begin with, we can’t even continue without mentioning the fact that it was even launched without a reliable design, which was only finished halfway through the project. How do we be proud of a project like this and realize without taking the opportunity to look back? It’s time for an independent audit on this whole process.

As a Member of this Assembly during that time, it was a turbulent and emotional problem. As I recall, there was much political will being tugged and towed in both directions. Do we help the people from Providence who wanted the bridge under their leadership, under their vision and under their guidance, or do we continue to hunker down and plow our way through it and say, shame, this bridge will never work?

I believed in the bridge concept from the start, but there always seemed to be problems with it, even in the Assembly here. I had often heard stories about Members calling and complaining to the Toronto lending company about the instability of the bridge organization and the inability for Members to support the project. It’s things like this that sank the process and caused problems all the way through. We need to find out what the truth was. Why did the GNWT get saddled with the $200 million line of credit, or I should say loan in this case, and in the end that could have collapsed this government?

I will have questions for the Minister who now is the Minister of Transportation , to ask him about some of the failings of this particular project and maybe what we need to look into for public scrutiny. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Independent Audit Of The Deh Cho Bridge Project

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Cleanup Of Northbelt Recreation Area

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the middle of October, over 50 volunteers dragged six truckloads of garbage from the bush north of the Vee Lake Road boat launch. This area hosted events like the annual Yellowknife Ski Loppet and Frostbite 45, and is used by local recreation clubs

as well as individual mountain bikers, bird watchers, hikers, hunters and leaseholders.

I want to offer my thanks and congratulations to all involved. The volunteers came from Great Slave Snowmobile Trail Riders, Scouts Canada, the Yellowknife Multisport Club, NWT Motor Sports Club, Yellowknife Amateur Radio Society, and local cabin owners.

The GNWT and members of the local exploration industry provided $24,000 in funding to the community groups. The City of Yellowknife provided garbage bags and waived tipping fees on small items. The cleanup effort was initiated and coordinated by TerraX Minerals as part of their consultation process with user groups in the area that they are exploring. They have provided, through this work, an excellent example of how to reach out to the community and get something useful done in the process.

Apparently there is still more out there to clean up, including larger items like old cars and fuel tanks. There are plans in the works for a larger cleanup next year and I look forward to it.

I am aware that Weledeh constituents David Connelly and John Stephenson – and I see John in the gallery today – played key roles in this project, and there were certainly others not mentioned here.

Again, I would like to offer, on behalf of all of us here I’m sure, congratulations and thanks to all involved. Mahsi.

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Cleanup Of Northbelt Recreation Area

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to follow up today on Mr. Bromley ’s statement from Monday and express my concerns with the response from the Giant Mine Remediation Team, their response to the recommendations in the environmental assessment report from the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board about the Giant Mine Remediation Project.

It’s been almost four months since the Mackenzie Valley Review Board released its final report on the old gold mine’s remediation. I’m on record that I was pleased with the report’s recommendations, recommendations which directed the federal government to go above and beyond the existing cleanup plan, recommendations which responded to the concerns of residents and Aboriginal governments.

The report has 26 recommendations and it lays out a solid and a collaborative path for remediation. The MVERB report was positive and reflected the views of NWT residents, Yellowknife city council,

the Yellowknives Dene First Nation, the North Slave Metis Alliance, Yellowknife Members of the Legislative Assembly, and our local MP, Dennis Bevington. All have indicated their support for the recommendations.

Now we hear from the proponent, the remediation project managers, one of whom represents the GNWT, “The cleanup team has a responsibility, like any other project proponent, to answer questions and explain how the review board’s report would affect its proposal to clean up the mine. That may include doing cost estimates.” I’m sure they do have that responsibility, but it gives rise to a number of real concerns for me.

It concerns me that the developer, the Remediation Project Team, is the same organization as the decision-maker, Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada, or AANDC. It concerns me that AANDC is getting internal input from the cleanup team on the report. If the team is providing new information to whoever is going to be putting together the response for the Minister, will anyone else have the same opportunity? It concerns me that government officials who have the final say on the project seem to be evaluating the review board’s recommendations based on cost.

The cleanup is already expected to cost almost $1 billion, and in the grand scheme of things, the added cost resulting from the review board’s recommendations are but a drop in the bucket. Costs should not be a limiting factor in doing the project the right way.

I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, it concerns me that the project team speaks as if the decision is done. The team itself responds to the public as if their decision is final. This quote appears on AANDC’s website Frequently Asked Questions: “The answers are in and it’s time to move forward with a solid long-term plan.” For me that solid long-term plan must include an independent oversight of the project. It would help build public confidence if people from this community have further input into this project, rather than just the project team itself.

In closing, I want to quote one of the questions from the AANDC Frequently Asked Questions. It says, “How do you know you’ve got it right?” And that’s exactly the point, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Northern Youth Abroad Program

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Earlier this week I did a Member’s statement on the legacy of

Members in this House who have served for this government. Today I’m going to talk about a different legacy: building a legacy in our youth, in our communities and in our future leaders.

Today I want to talk about the Northern Youth Abroad Program. The Northern Youth Abroad Program specifically is designed to meet the unique needs of youth living in isolated communities in Canada’s North, specifically the Northwest Territories and Nunavut. This program was initially designed to help find Nunavut teachers to help with the success in education. Yesterday we went through a little theme day here, talking about the challenges that we have in the Northwest Territories, and yet we have an organization down in Ottawa that’s providing these types of services to our youth in the Northwest Territories.

Today was the deadline for applications for the Northern Youth Abroad Program. There were 44 applications across the Northwest Territories; however, the group will only select 20 moving forward when they’re putting the program on. Some of the successes that this program has done for students in the Northwest Territories is increased graduation rates, it’s given students high school credit and it’s also given people the opportunity to volunteer in the North, allowed volunteering in the South as well as create volunteer abroad students, specifically in Africa.

This program works on developing leadership development, healthy living, producing self-confidence and self-esteem in our northern youth. Like I said, although today was the deadline, they are going to accept applications until November 12

. I encourage all Members to speak to their

youth in the communities, as well as all educators to get their students signed up for this program. Thank you.

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Northern Youth Abroad Program

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Condolences On The Passing Of Tu Nedhe Residents

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

…who have passed away in the past month; although one was in June, I’ve waited.

Mr. Speaker, George Fabien was born July 15, 1926, and passed away at age 86 on June 23, 2013. The late George Fabien was born and raised in Fort Resolution from a large family. Today Elizabeth Beck of Yellowknife is the only living sibling in his family.

Elder Rosa Fabien was born February 23, 1921. She passed away at the age of 92 on October 10, 2013. The late Rosa was born Mariane Rosa

Lafferty in Fort Rae, daughter to Jean Baptiste-Seehe Lafferty and Adeline Ekfwitcho.

Rosa and George were married in Fort Resolution April 12, 1951, and were married for over 61 years. They lived a long and happy life; however, they had no children of their own. They had many nieces and nephews, great-nieces, great-nephews and great-great-nieces and nephews. They were loved by their families and they dearly loved their family members.

John Bjornson was born on January 26, 1948, and passed away at age 65 on October 28, 2013. John was originally from Estevan, Saskatchewan, and moved to Fort Resolution in 1972 where he decided to make his home permanent. John was a carpenter/contractor as well as a business owner of a building supplies store in Fort Resolution. John is responsible for providing homes for 50 percent of the community through his contracting business. John is survived by his wife and daughters, Rosie, Natasha, and step-daughter Pamela, son Rowen, along with seven grandchildren.

Elder Marcel Norn was born on May 8, 1932, and passed away at age 81 on November 1, 2013. Marcel was born and raised in Fort Resolution. Marcel is survived by his children George Lafferty, Dwight Norn, Raymond Norn, Marcella Fabien and Trina Balsillie; his sisters, Nora Rhinlander and Joan Delorme; and his brothers, Bill Norn, Joe Norn and Stanley Norn. Marcel is also survived by many grandchildren, great-grandchildren and great-great-grandchildren, and many nieces and nephews.

The community of Fort Resolution mourns the loss of this respected elder. Marcel always made the point of participating in community meetings, events, and kept himself aware of what was happening in the community. Mr. Speaker, I’d like to pass my condolences on to the family and friends of George and Rosa Fabien – Rosa was originally from Behchoko – John Bjornson and elder Marcel Norn. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Remembrance Day Services

Members’ Statements

Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was glad to hear our colleague from Hay River South talk about Remembrance Day and remembering those who have gone off to battle to give us the freedom that we enjoy today. We have a lot of holidays during the year. Christmas and Easter I always thought as two of the most important ones, but I always thought Remembrance Day was another day that we should always make sure that we pay respect to those that have given their lives so we can enjoy the lifestyle that we have today.

I spoke to students in Inuvik a number of years ago and I talked about the fact that we look up to hockey players and actors and songwriters and rap stars and I think sometimes we have our priorities mixed up. My heroes are those that went to war and sacrificed their lives so we can enjoy the life that we live today. When you’re younger, you don’t pay much mind to it, but as you get older and you have children of your own, grandchildren of your own, you realize that this is an opportunity that so many of these young gentlemen were not able to have, men and women.

I was reading an interesting

article called Letters from the Front and it was excerpts of letters that they had written to their families back home. One line always got me, and that was a 28-year-old private sent a letter home saying, “I give my life willingly for my country, knowing that it was given in a righteous cause.” That was the attitude that so many of them went with. They were scared, the letters talked about the fear that they had, but they still went because they felt it was still the right thing to do.

I think, not only today but as we go on and the memories get older and older, we should teach our children and grandchildren, those who come behind us, to never forget the sacrifice they made. They even made the sacrifice so that people can go out and give white poppies, which a lot of Veterans don’t agree with, but we have that type of freedom because of the sacrifices these gentlemen and ladies made, so let’s never forget that. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Remembrance Day Services

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 4, reports of standing and special committees. Mr. Hawkins .

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Introduction

Committee Report 1-17(5): Standing Committee On Economic Development And Infrastructure Report On Bakken Shale Formation Tour

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

As part of developing the Northwest Territories’ policy approach to hydraulic fracturing, representatives of the Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure joined a delegation led by the Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment on a tour of the Bakken shale formation in Saskatchewan and North Dakota, between September 29

and October 4,

The delegation, made up of the Minister; Members of the Legislative Assembly; staff from the departments of Environment and Natural

Resources, and Industry Tourism and Investment; the Northwest Territories Geoscience Office; the National Energy Board; and leadership from Sahtu communities, travelled to Regina, Stoughton and Estevan, Saskatchewan; and Williston, New Town and Mandaree, North Dakota.

The group met with a large number of people representing the Saskatchewan Ministry of the Economy, including Minister of the Economy, the Honourable Tim McMillan; the Saskatchewan Geological Survey; Cenovus Energy Incorporated; Crescent Point Energy Corporation; Statoil; the City of Williston; the State of North Dakota; the Consul General for North Dakota; members of the Three Affiliated Tribes Mandaree, Hidatsa and Arikara Nation; ONEOK Incorporated; and Cheveyo Energy Incorporated.

The standing committee thanks all presenters for their time in meeting with the delegation and their thoughtful responses to questions and comments. Committee members also thank the Minister and the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment for coordinating the tour and making it possible for the entire delegation to participate.

Existing land use plans, the devolution of land and resource management, and self-government agreements place the Northwest Territories in a much different position than jurisdictions in the Bakken. Our situation also differs widely in terms of volume of activity, infrastructure, workforce and regulatory regime, but valuable lessons can still be drawn from the delegation’s experience. The committee’s observations may be summarized under three broad themes highlighted in a presentation by City of Williston Commissioner Brad Bekkedahl: planning, people and partnerships.

Members would also like to take this opportunity to comment on the tour’s scope and further committee direction on this important issue.

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Planning – Get Ahead of the Challenge

Committee Report 1-17(5): Standing Committee On Economic Development And Infrastructure Report On Bakken Shale Formation Tour

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

A resounding message, by far the most emphasized to the delegation, is the need for effective planning and preparation for development. Presentations at provincial, state and community levels highlighted infrastructure, regulatory, environmental and social needs.

Mr. Speaker, this being a lengthy report, I now would like to pass a portion of it over to my colleague Mr. Bromley , Member for Weledeh , to continue.

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Reports of Standing and Special Committees

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. Bromley .

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Infrastructure

Committee Report 1-17(5): Standing Committee On Economic Development And Infrastructure Report On Bakken Shale Formation Tour

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Shale oil development in the Bakken area has placed immediate and unrelenting strain on all types of infrastructure. Transportation infrastructure is a primary concern. There are currently 9,322

producing wells in North Dakota, and the state expects that an additional 2,000 will be drilled this year. The average drilling rig requires at least 2,000 truckloads of materials and supplies, which has an equivalent impact of 25,000 light vehicles on roadways. A single loaded truck raises approximately 100 pounds of dust per mile on gravel roads, coating vegetation and reducing air quality and visibility. The state has enforced seasonal load restrictions, but allocates millions annually to new road infrastructure, maintenance and dust control to meet industry-related traffic demands.

The increased number of trucks has resulted in hazardous driving conditions and serious accidents. Emergency services continue to be delivered largely by local volunteers, resulting in post-traumatic stress disorders and burnout among their ranks. Presenters in North Dakota strongly recommended identifying main arteries, bolstering existing corridors and working with industry to plan service roads and access needs.

Two exploratory wells will be drilled in the Northwest Territories this season. The impacts on roads highlight the need for responsive planning and maintenance for our comparatively fragile seasonal and all-weather roads.

The committee heard that although it requires more time to develop and incurs greater capital costs, pipeline infrastructure can reduce the amount of truck traffic and mitigate the hazards associated with transporting large volumes of water, wastewater and oil via road and rail. Natural gas pipelines can also reduce the amount of flaring and associated greenhouse gas emissions. It is estimated that a billion dollars’ worth of natural gas is flared annually from the Bakken shale.

Municipal infrastructure is another area that requires well-thought-out planning. State of North Dakota officials highlighted significant demands and need for preparation in the areas of:

zoning and land use planning;

water and sewer services;

electrical

supply;

road

infrastructure;

airports;

housing;

public safety services, including emergency

service providers and law enforcement;

schools;

hospitals;

and

recreational

facilities.

The committee encourages Sahtu leadership and Government of the Northwest Territories

departments to work with industry to determine community needs and plan accordingly.

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Geological Information

Committee Report 1-17(5): Standing Committee On Economic Development And Infrastructure Report On Bakken Shale Formation Tour

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Extensive sampling and geological mapping has allowed the Province of Saskatchewan to collect comprehensive information and three-dimensional imaging of the province’s subsurface. This baseline information can play a key role in industry, research and regulatory decision-making and the protection of water resources. While the Northwest Territories may not have the resources required to offer similar services at the present time, the tour of the Saskatchewan Geological Laboratory highlighted the value of gathering and archiving accurate information and making it accessible, at least on a partly cost-recovery basis.

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Regulatory Preparation

Committee Report 1-17(5): Standing Committee On Economic Development And Infrastructure Report On Bakken Shale Formation Tour

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

The devolution of land and resource management affords the Northwest Territories a significant opportunity to design and implement a responsible regulatory regime. Representatives of the Saskatchewan Ministry of the Economy recommended enacting legislative and regulatory instruments that establish and enforce meaningful consequences for industry. Saskatchewan has looked to Alberta for many of its regulations.

Some features of the Saskatchewan self-disclosure-based regulatory approach include:

comprehensive baseline water and geological

information;

disclosure of the chemical composition of

fracturing fluid and, more importantly, in their view, identifying and monitoring transformed chemicals in well flowback;

explicit guidelines for the management and

disposal of contaminated water; and

environmental protection, remediation and

enforcement provisions.

The province has scheduled Crown land sales six times a year, and makes land available through leases, exploration licences and special exploratory permits. A liability management program includes a requirement for operators to pay a monthly security deposit to fund environmental protection and remediation programs.

The committee heard that despite ever-increasing permit applications and oil and gas revenues reaching over 1.5 billion annually, Saskatchewan regulatory staff and program funding has remained stable. The division experiences greater position vacancies than before, and few positions are dedicated to fieldwork.

Both Saskatchewan and North Dakota had established regulatory regimes, royalty and taxation structures before intense development of the Bakken began. The establishment of an effective

royalty regime is a significant area of planning for the Northwest Territories to address.

The committee heard the view that a key to successful development is to implement taxation that balances economic viability for industry and a jurisdiction’s revenue needs. The Saskatchewan Ministry of the Economy felt it had reached a competitive level of taxation, while still being able to collect resources for government priorities. The committee members noted, however, that Saskatchewan royalty rates had decreased while the amount of drilling activity increased. Unlike either the Northwest Territories or North Dakota, the province has not established a heritage fund.

North Dakota collects a combined production and extraction tax, with revenues divided between the state and municipalities. Thirty percent of all royalty revenues are directed to the state’s Legacy Fund. The fund is established under legislation that does not allow any portion to be accessed until 2017, and then, only with the consent of two-thirds of the state legislature. In addition to the Legacy Fund, North Dakota allocates royalty revenues to six other trusts established to fund infrastructure projects and community needs related to intense development.

Unlike the Northwest Territories, North Dakota also has the ability to tax its non-resident workforce based on earnings within their jurisdiction.

Large oil revenues have resulted in disparities between oil-producing and non-oil-producing counties. The state notes that it is a challenge to mitigate regional disparities since infrastructure and programming pressures are greater in areas with more industrial activity.

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Wildlife

Committee Report 1-17(5): Standing Committee On Economic Development And Infrastructure Report On Bakken Shale Formation Tour

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

A significant concern for members of the delegation was the lack of a clear plan to address wildlife. The tour did not include a presentation from the Saskatchewan Ministry of the Environment, and in North Dakota, members heard that a plan to address wildlife and habitat issues had been delayed due to the rapid pace and scale of development. When questioned about wildlife concerns, a state legislator noted his view that wildlife could move and take care of itself!

This situation demonstrates to the committee that if adequate planning to address wildlife and other environmental concerns does not take place in advance of, and alongside, development, it will likely be neglected. Wildlife is highly valued in the Northwest Territories and the Department of Environment and Natural Resources and Sahtu leadership have significant roles in ensuring continued wildlife and habitat protection.

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People – Leadership Working Toward Common Goals

Committee Report 1-17(5): Standing Committee On Economic Development And Infrastructure Report On Bakken Shale Formation Tour

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Workforce development has been identified as a key piece of Sahtu exploration readiness.

Presentations highlighted the need to enhance and establish training facilities and opportunities for workers, both in the oil industry and related service fields.

Shale oil development has significant socio-economic impacts associated with the creation of many permanent and temporary high-paying jobs. The Northwest Territories should anticipate that a large number of non-resident workers will be housed in industry camps. Presenters described crew camps as a “necessary evil.” They provide an appropriate solution to the accommodation needs of non-resident workers, but have resulted in many negative social impacts, and increased pressure on municipal services.

The Three Affiliated Tribes put a moratorium on crew camps on their land, due to disruptive behaviour in their communities. The City of Williston is making significant investments in housing, schools, health care and recreational facilities to encourage workers and their families to relocate to the area more permanently.

The Three Affiliated Tribes offered a lot of comment on the impact of development on their people. Benefits include 99 percent employment, unparalleled opportunities for Aboriginal entrepreneurs and businesses, improved community programming, and profits from royalties that, with proper planning, will secure the financial future of tribal beneficiaries for generations. Drawbacks include increased crime and substance abuse, disorganized road construction and heavy truck traffic throughout traditional territory, flaring, spills, impacts on wildlife and housing shortages.

People who lack financial responsibility and life skills have suffered rather than benefited from increased activity and resource royalty collection.

Presenters recommended the Northwest Territories promote cultural awareness and understanding between communities, industry, and new residents, as well as education in healthy lifestyles and financial management. They also see that right now, the Northwest Territories has the opportunity to take control of the pace and scale of development.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would ask that you have Mr. Hawkins continue with the report. Mahsi.

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Reports of Standing and Special Committees

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Mr. Hawkins .

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Partnerships – With All Those Willing to Share the Risks

Committee Report 1-17(5): Standing Committee On Economic Development And Infrastructure Report On Bakken Shale Formation Tour

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The North Dakota Association of Oil and Gas Producing Counties noted its generally positive experiences with its industry partners. A representative of the Three Affiliated Tribes Tribal Economic Development Office, or TERO, shared his experience that oil companies’ priority is to make a profit, but they are generally willing to work

with communities and governments. Statoil emphasized its commitment to collaboration and open communication with stakeholders. North Dakota officials recommended that governments work closely with industry to determine needs and priorities.

The Three Affiliated Tribes deal directly with industry as a self-government. Through TERO, it implements a priority procurement policy and, like Saskatchewan, has developed a database of Aboriginal-owned businesses that industry can access to source goods and services. The TERO database also verifies the capacity of a company to perform the work a potential contractor is seeking.

The Saskatchewan Ministry of the Economy discussed a number of other initiatives designed to encourage partnerships and business development:

The Empower Program provides coaching,

mentoring and training for entrepreneurs and established small business, through a funding partnership with industry.

The annual Aboriginal Business Match provides

an opportunity for businesses and industry to form partnerships through an e-profiling system that connects potential business partners on-line before they meet in person at this increasingly popular event.

The Saskatchewan government is currently

working on a northern opportunities forum to further support the Aboriginal Business Match.

As groups cooperate on creative solutions to challenges, and identify and work toward common goals, we share the risks, but also the benefits, which may be far greater than we could realize on our own. The committee recommends that, as much as possible, the Government of the Northwest Territories look for opportunities to form and foster strong partnerships between industry, communities and Aboriginal governments.

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Scope of Tour

Committee Report 1-17(5): Standing Committee On Economic Development And Infrastructure Report On Bakken Shale Formation Tour

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

As committee members reflect on their experience of the Bakken tour, they identify elements of shale oil development that were not included on the agenda, such as water withdrawal and permitting processes, waste confinement and disposal, pipeline infrastructure, and in-depth discussion of the social and environmental impacts of the resource boom.

The tour did not include the opportunity to view any of North Dakota’s open waste pits, nor was there any formal discussion of the impacts of flooding in the area earlier this year. While many presenters spoke candidly, there was limited discussion about how jurisdictions quantify environmental liabilities or how communities cope with homelessness and addictions.

Through committee initiative, the tour group heard from a regional wildlife manager and local resident who shared observations that taxes and cost of living have increased substantially while, for many people, quality of life has declined overall, especially for those who have not been able to take advantage of the activity. The same individual commented that effects on wildlife and habitat were not being addressed in mitigation activities and encouraged tour participants to ask further questions in this area.

After the tour’s conclusion, members learned that a large oil spill, linked to inadequate monitoring, occurred in the area during the time the committee was there. This significant event was not mentioned to participants, and only appeared in the media two weeks after the spill began.

The committee recognizes that in order to accommodate some of these issues, other components of the tour would have been missed. The exclusion of these elements highlights areas where the committee might focus in the future. Members raise these issues to draw awareness to impacts that cannot be overlooked as the Northwest Territories develops policy on the use of hydraulic fracturing.

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Next Steps

Committee Report 1-17(5): Standing Committee On Economic Development And Infrastructure Report On Bakken Shale Formation Tour

Reports of Standing and Special Committees

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Hydraulic fracturing continues to gain public attention in the Northwest Territories. It is to our immediate and long-term advantage to develop a responsible, well-informed policy on the use of this technology and ensure that all voices are heard on this important issue. The tour of the Bakken formation increased participants’ awareness of the impacts of shale development, and the need for planning and action.

While the Northwest Territories is in a very different position than either North Dakota or Saskatchewan in terms of its level of development, to the degree that lessons learned in the development of the Bakken are accurately shared, they are valuable to future development in the Northwest Territories.

The standing committee would like to embark on further fact-finding and explore areas that were overlooked on its Calgary and Bakken tours, and hear from the public and interested organizations on the use of hydraulic fracturing in our jurisdiction. As leaders and decision-makers, the committee wants to ensure we act in the best interest of the Northwest Territories, our land, our people and our resources.

Mr. Speaker, that concludes the report of the Standing Committee on Economic Development and Infrastructure on the Bakken shale formation tour.

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Motion To Receive And Adopt Committee Report 1-17(5), Standing Committee On Economic Development And Infrastructure Report On Bakken Shale Formation Tour 2013, Carried

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River North , that Committee Report 1-17(5) be received by the Assembly and adopted. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The motion is in order. To the motion.

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Reports of Standing and Special Committees

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Question has been called.

---Carried

Committee Report 1-17(5) is received and adopted. Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 5, returns to oral questions. Item 6, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Premier .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to recognize all the Pages that work in this session and specifically two Pages from Yellowknife South, Kaitlyn Hayward and Matt Walker. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to recognize a couple of Pages from Inuvik Twin Lakes. We have Mr. Cameron Wolki-Jacobson and Mr. Andrew Clark. We appreciate the work that all the Pages have done this past session. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you Mr. Speaker. I, again, would like to recognize some Pages: Shiri MacPherson is actually in the House this time, daughter of our Law Clerk; Jacob Shubert, I don’t know if he’s in the House; and Niva Stephenson. I know Niva’s proud papa is in the gallery today and I’d also like to recognize John Stephenson, a constituent of Weledeh. Mahsi.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . I’d like to welcome my good friend Mr. Jai Zachary. He’s in from Summerland visiting for the next few days. Welcome to the House. I thank everybody here for taking in our proceedings here today. Thank you very much. Item 7, acknowledgements. Mr. Bromley .

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Acknowledgement 1-17(5): Council For The Advancement Of Native Development Economic Developer Of The Year Award Recipient Sarah Erasmus

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to recognize constituent Ms. Sarah Erasmus, co-owner of Erasmus Apparel, in recognition of her receipt of the Economic Developer of the Year Award during the Council for the Advancement of Native Development Officers Annual General Meeting in Winnipeg last week.

Ms. Erasmus was nominated for the award and selected by the board as one of two candidates from nominees across the country. While actually attending the AGM to speak at the youth panel there, she learned of the board’s selection. Sarah’s presentation at the AGM sealed the deal and she won the award.

Mr. Speaker, all of us in Weledeh, indeed across the NWT, are proud of this local young entrepreneur. Well done, Sarah.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Item 8, oral questions. Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 22-17(5): Programs To Support Youth Trapping

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of ITI . Yesterday we talked about education with Minister Lafferty , and another view of education is with the hunters and trappers in the Sahtu region. I want to ask the Minister of ITI what types of programs we have for our on-the-land professors who want to take out young students to train them how to be a good hunter and trapper, and also to be a good person.

What kinds of programs are there that young people can apply for and what types of programs are there for the elders and trappers to take these young people on the land to sustain our traditional economy? Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 22-17(5): Programs To Support Youth Trapping

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have the highly successful Take a Kid Trapping Program that is provided through the Department of Industry, Tourism and Investment. We also involve the departments of ENR and MACA in that work. It is aimed at school-age children in getting them out on the land with trained trappers in the smaller communities. Thank you.

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Question 22-17(5): Programs To Support Youth Trapping

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

The Take a Kid Program is one of the most successful programs that I’ve witnessed in this government. It’s a good program; however, it’s geared towards high school students. I would like to ask the Minister what about the students who are outside the school-age system, the 18, 19 and 20-year-olds that are walking around, young men, ladies, where they want to go out with a trapper, what type of funding support can they give to them so that they can go out to the trapline.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. The current program, the Take a Kid Trapping Program, does not have the capacity or the financial resources to allow for it to take kids that are outside of the school system. I think the Member is talking about young adults or youth between 17 and 22 or 23. That’s something that perhaps as we move forward it’s something that I could talk to the officials at the Department of Justice, also the officials at Health and Social Services and the Ministers about perhaps getting some programming dollars for that segment of the population. It’s important that they are given the ability to get out trapping and learn the trade by folks that know it well. Thank you.

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Question 22-17(5): Programs To Support Youth Trapping

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you. With this idea that the Minister is putting out there, would he be able to, within this fiscal year, direct his staff to work with the other departments such as Justice, Health and Social Services, and Education, Culture and Employment to look at a new structure of a program through their working groups or the committees in the Sahtu to say this is something that’s unique, it’s different, where we can support these younger adults that want to learn about trapping and their way of life?

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. Like I mentioned, it’s an area that we don’t cover off currently. It was highlighted in the Economic Opportunities Strategy as well. Again, by working with Justice, Health and Social Services and ITI, and also perhaps ENR, we can look at a way to address that segment of the population the Member speaks of and get some programming for those individuals as well. Thank you.

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Question 22-17(5): Programs To Support Youth Trapping

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 22-17(5): Programs To Support Youth Trapping

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We know the government is going to be entertaining some of the main estimates in the next couple of months. Is this something that the Minister can foresee that it’s something where we could have some of these discussions within the main estimates?

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Question 22-17(5): Programs To Support Youth Trapping

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. Time will be very tight and I don’t want to get expectations up, but certainly I will discuss this idea, this option with folks at ITI and at Justice. I know the Ministers are listening, as well, to the Member’s concerns. Whether or not we can actually get something up

and running for the business plans that are coming up, that remains to be seen. I don’t want to make any promises I can’t keep, but I’ll certainly take the idea and try to do something with it. Thank you.

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Question 22-17(5): Programs To Support Youth Trapping

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 23-17(5): Policing Services In Tsiigehtchic

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions will be for the new sheriff in town, Mr. Ramsay .

---Laughter

Following my statement, as you know, the community of Tsiigehtchic has been requesting a detachment for a number of years. So I’d like to ask the Minister if the community were to build a detachment, would the department enter into negotiations to lease the building and have a police officer stationed in Tsiigehtchic? Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Minister of Justice , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 23-17(5): Policing Services In Tsiigehtchic

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’ve been Justice Minister now for just over a week and I have yet to be fully briefed by the RCMP on the situation of detachments around the Northwest Territories. But with the community of Tsiigehtchic, I know that the RCMP is working with the community on the idea of getting accommodations in the community for RCMP members that are travelling in from Fort McPherson, which could have RCMP members staying in the community for up to eight days a month, which certainly improves the situation currently.

We’re also looking at RCMP community officers in Tsiigehtchic, as well, that would act as a liaison between the RCMP and the community with help in investigations and certainly be on the front line in the community in the event of an occurrence that the Member spoke of during his statement. Thank you.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you. That’s good news. I’d like to ask the Minister, will the Minister work with the community to have a special constable situated in Tsiigehtchic. Thank you.

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Question 23-17(5): Policing Services In Tsiigehtchic

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. As I highlighted in my previous response, that is something that the Department of Justice and the RCMP are currently working on to help address the needs in Tsiigehtchic. Thank you.

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Question 23-17(5): Policing Services In Tsiigehtchic

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 24-17(5): Disclosure Of Chemicals Used In Hydraulic Fracturing

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of Environment today and I would like to follow up on the Minister’s refusal to our citizens’ request to investigate the issue of unknown fracking chemicals being released into the environment.

While on a fracking tour, we learned that not only are the chemicals that are injected in the wells often not disclosed, but that under the intense pressure and heat found deep in these wells, the injected chemicals react with each other and with the stuff that is in the ground and create new chemicals.

Is the Minister of the Environment aware that what goes down is not necessarily the same as what comes back up? Mahsi.

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Question 24-17(5): Disclosure Of Chemicals Used In Hydraulic Fracturing

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 24-17(5): Disclosure Of Chemicals Used In Hydraulic Fracturing

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe so, especially based on the edifying comments and statements I’ve listened to the Member make in this House over the last couple of weeks about the issue of fracking, the trips and some of the particulars as it relates to those particular practices. Thank you.

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Question 24-17(5): Disclosure Of Chemicals Used In Hydraulic Fracturing

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you. Great to hear the Minister was listening.

Section 2.(3) of the NWT Environmental Rights Act states: “Where there is a conflict between the terms of this act and the terms of any other enactment, this act shall prevail to the extent of the conflict.” The approvals given under the MVRMA do not demonstrate that the release of the unknown chemicals into the environment is safe.

Is it not clear to the Minister that there is a conflict here and the environmental rights of NWT citizens should prevail? Mahsi.

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Question 24-17(5): Disclosure Of Chemicals Used In Hydraulic Fracturing

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. In regard to the first part of the Member’s comment and question about which law would prevail, it relates to other territorial legislation. When there’s territorial legislation and federal legislation, then it has paramountcy. It overrules territorial legislation. That’s one issue.

The other issue is I’m convinced that the process that was put in place to approve those two wells, those two applications, was under the NEB, what’s voluntary and what they say in the questions part of their filing is they fully expect the proponents to disclose, which they’ve done. At the same time, we are currently, as well, as a government, working on our own fracking guidance document, which we have shared with the committee and we want to

make sure we have the best practices there that will capture those specific concerns. Thank you.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you. Such power. The Minister can shove aside the environmental rights of our citizens at his will.

Under

Section 4.(4) the Minister is obliged to carry out an investigation and that the only reason that the Minister may discontinue an investigation is

whereas per

section 4.(6) “the Minister is of the opinion that the release or the likely release does not constitute a threat to the environment.”

Is the Minister of the opinion that the release of unknown contaminants into the environment does not constitute a threat to the environment and the public trust? Mahsi.

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Question 24-17(5): Disclosure Of Chemicals Used In Hydraulic Fracturing

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. What I am satisfied with is that we have a process under the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act, with the boards, with the environmental assessments that were done, the Sahtu Land and Water Board, with the NEB that addressed the issues, that we have a piece of legislation that pre-dates those acts. It does not have the ability to overrule federal legislation just from a legal point of view, and even if it did, I don’t believe that would be a requirement because I don’t think there are the concerns raised by the Members.

I think it’s been covered by the NEB, by their document, by their new filings, and as we move forward there will be continued full disclosure, and as we take over we will be putting in place those best practices as well. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 24-17(5): Disclosure Of Chemicals Used In Hydraulic Fracturing

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you. Clearly, the Minister is breaching through smoke and mirrors now. The NWT Environmental Rights Act is clear. The Minister is obliged to investigate the environmental rights of our citizens in our own legislation for the Northwest Territories people. We all know that in spite of talk of best practices, things don’t always go according to plan. When something does happen, how will he explain to NWT taxpayers that they are on the hook for a polluted lake and that he refused to even investigate when he had a legal obligation to do so? Hopefully it’s as small a concern as that. Mahsi.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you. Those concerns are captured in the approvals and in all the conditions that were attached through the approvals for those two projects. Thank you.

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Question 24-17(5): Disclosure Of Chemicals Used In Hydraulic Fracturing

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 25-17(5): Investments In Highway No. 7

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to follow up on my Member’s statement on Highway No. 7 with the Minister of Transportation . I’d like to know the type of investment in Highway No. 7 for the years 2014-15. Can he outline how much work they will be doing to Highway No. 7 for the next fiscal year? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Minister of Transportation , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 25-17(5): Investments In Highway No. 7

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. In the plan, DOT has $3 million scheduled for 2014-15. That would be used for resurfacing and chipsealing sections of that highway. Thank you.

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Question 25-17(5): Investments In Highway No. 7

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you. Just in terms of chipsealing a

section of Highway No. 7 from the B.C. border towards Fort Liard, it’s about 36 kilometres. Twenty kilometres of it has already been reconstructed, so we’re looking at reconstruction of another 16 kilometres. Residents are looking for chipsealing some of those kilometres, the ones that have already been constructed, about 20 kilometres. Is that in the plan? Thank you.

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Question 25-17(5): Investments In Highway No. 7

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. That is part of the plan, plus I think there will be some more gravel put on some other parts of the highway, but chipsealing the balance of that is part of the plan.

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Question 25-17(5): Investments In Highway No. 7

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I am glad to hear that. Also, recent developments around Fort Liard, Highway No. 7, lots of traffic coming through. There’s some exploration going on across from Fort Liard. I’d like to know, does the Minister know if industry is also helping us invest in our roads this particular summer and perhaps this winter as well. Thank you.

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Question 25-17(5): Investments In Highway No. 7

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. The department has been discussing with industry, increased usage of the road due to economic activity. So, yes, the department is aware of that and has been discussing the possible impacts to the road with industry.

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Question 25-17(5): Investments In Highway No. 7

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 25-17(5): Investments In Highway No. 7

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. At the end of my Member’s statement, I also invited the Minister to come and tour Highway No. 7 and speak with the chief of Fort Liard. His first reaction was I’m glad there’s a new Minister, but that Minister must come and ride Highway No. 7 probably closer towards the springtime if we can organize it. Can the Minister do that? Thank you very much.

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Question 25-17(5): Investments In Highway No. 7

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you. I would like to travel down Highway No. 7 with the Member,

provided I drive. I’m afraid he will hit every pothole. Thank you.

---Laughter

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Question 25-17(5): Investments In Highway No. 7

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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Question 26-17(5): Supporting A Northern Film Industry

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I will have some questions for the Minister of ITI dealing with a different type of industry in the Northwest Territories and that’s the film industry.

We have a growing and a strong, dynamic group of individuals in the Beaufort-Delta region, as well as here in Yellowknife. There was a report that came out called the Review of the Film Commission Mandate, so I want to ask the Minister, has there been any progress on work being developed on rebates for people that want to come up and do work, production companies that want to come up to the North and do work. Has there been any progress in looking at rebates for the film industry? Thank you.

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Question 26-17(5): Supporting A Northern Film Industry

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 26-17(5): Supporting A Northern Film Industry

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Work does continue in that area. We have an application into CanNor, seeking some funding to allow us to continue to look at the best possible way to rebate or provide grants. Tax incentives obviously aren’t going to work here, are deemed not to be the best option. So we need to look at other options to attract more of the film industry and filming to take place here in the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Question 26-17(5): Supporting A Northern Film Industry

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you. Currently the Yukon government and the Nunavut government offer rebates. Why can’t the NWT come up with a policy of their own that offers rebates to some of these production companies? We have a very great group of individuals in the Northwest Territories looking at development and training.

Does the Minister see any type of funding to go into development and training for some of our individuals that are in the industry? Thank you.

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Question 26-17(5): Supporting A Northern Film Industry

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you. Work continues, again, in this area. It’s something we feel very strongly about. Obviously, it was highlighted, as well, in the Economic Opportunities Strategy. Last year we provided $114,000 to 12 recipients to help with film projects here in the NWT through our SEED program.

As we move forward, it is very important that we ensure that we get this right. We can’t just automatically create a program. We need to find where we fit in the scheme of things in providing

rebates or incentives to get filming taking place here in the Northwest Territories. We’ve had some great success. We need to see that success continue and it’s important, again, that we make sure that we get this right. Thank you.

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Question 26-17(5): Supporting A Northern Film Industry

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Moses .

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Question 26-17(5): Supporting A Northern Film Industry

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister mentioned there was a SEED program, and the SEED program for the current individuals and productions that do work in the NWT, there are some limitations such as the policy and the time and date of reporting.

I wonder if the Minister would look at reviewing the SEED policy and possibly adding more funding, increasing the funding that is allowed to these people in the film industry.

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Question 26-17(5): Supporting A Northern Film Industry

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Again, through the Economic Opportunities Strategy that we just launched, it was identified that ITI should develop a pilot project to assess the merits of a northern expenditure-based rebate program. This is something we are going to look at. Options for funding the program are currently under consideration. It’s something, I think, that has the potential to be very successful if we, again, do it right.

As far as SEED goes, that is something pertaining to the film industry that I can take back to the department if there is need, and I believe there is need to get more money out there to support the film industry here in the Northwest Territories. We have to find a way and a means to make that happen.

With SEED, there certainly could be some constraints to accessing funding through that avenue, but again, we have helped out. We’ve provided $114,000 through that program, so that program is still going to be available to folks who want to avail themselves of that.

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Question 26-17(5): Supporting A Northern Film Industry

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

The NWT Film Commission falls under the Industry, Tourism and Investment portfolio of the department. Would it be in the best interest to allow a little bit more flexibility that if, possibly like the NWT Tourism, this commission becomes independent of the government so that they can run on their own timelines but also access funding from the government? Has the Minister had any discussions on that with his colleagues, in terms of possibly looking at that as a stepping away from the government?

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Question 26-17(5): Supporting A Northern Film Industry

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

That’s a very novel idea that the Member has and I believe it probably has some merit. It’s something I’ll take back to the department for consideration. We work very closely with NWT Tourism and continue to do so. We also work very closely with my colleague, Minister Lafferty at ECE. If there’s a way to do this, we want

to, again, make sure we’re doing the right things. Again, the Member has a good idea and it’s something we’ll take into consideration.

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Question 26-17(5): Supporting A Northern Film Industry

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 27-17(5): Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions today are addressed to the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . I’d like to follow up on my Member’s statement. I want to ask the Minister with regard to the project team’s response to the environmental assessment on the Giant Mine.

On October 21

this House passed a motion which

said, “that the Government of the Northwest Territories accept the measures and suggestions contained in the report of the environmental assessment,” and that motion was passed by the House.

Eleven days later the project team released a letter to the public, and that was signed by an assistant deputy minister from the Department of Environment and Natural Resources. I’m finding it very difficult that we have, as a government, a motion that was passed to accept the recommendations of this report and we then get a response signed by an assistant deputy minister of one of our government departments which basically refutes the recommendation.

I’d like to ask the Minister if he can explain to the House who authorized the signing of the letter which was the response to the MVERB’s report.

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Question 27-17(5): Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Minister responsible for Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 27-17(5): Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m the responsible Minister in this instance, and that responsibility is mine.

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Question 27-17(5): Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I understand he’s the responsible Minister; I accept that, but he’s also the Minister responsible for the environment in the NWT. He should be, in my mind, looking after the best interests of the residents of the NWT.

I’d like to know if the Minister can advise me, and advise the House and the general public, how he can be responsible for the cleanup at the mine on behalf of NWT residents, and at the same time, he is responsible for the regulation of the project, which in this case is rejecting the recommendations.

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Question 27-17(5): Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I can assure the Member and this House, and everybody listening, that I am indeed very cognizant in my responsibility as the Minister of Environment and

Natural Resources, and my responsibility to make sure that we do in fact protect the environment.

As the government, one of the governments involved, the federal government and territorial government, we have a responsibility to clean up one of the worst environmentally contaminated sites in the country. It’s going to be a billion dollar project at the end of the day, and we are hard at work doing that. We get advice and recommendations from many quarters. We don’t disagree with a lot of the work or intent of what’s being presented to us through this report, but we definitely are of the opinion that they required some modification. We are the folks on the ground.

We are the governments responsible; they’re going to have to be accountable, and are accountable, for how that project is carried out.

We intend to continue working with all the involved parties, but we have an obligation, and our job is to make sure, at the end of the day, we have to pull all those pieces together and make the appropriate decisions, which is what we’re doing in this case.

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Question 27-17(5): Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I’m afraid we have to agree the work that the Minister is doing is going to be in the best interest of NWT residents. This project, albeit they may be working hard at trying to do the cleanup, it’s not in the best interests of residents. Over half of the recommendations are suggested by the Giant team. The project team is suggesting that over half of the recommendations be modified or rejected.

I’d like to know from the Minister why is it so important that 50 percent, more than 50 percent of the recommendations from the MVERB report, why is it so important that they be rejected. Cost should be a factor, as I mentioned earlier.

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Question 27-17(5): Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

There is not a question of have to be rejected. We did a review of the recommendations. We looked at them closely. We looked at how they all fit together. Some of them are sequential. There are issues related to time, to cost and to scope of the project. In spite of the Member’s comments that money is no object, when you’re in government, in fact, money is a constant object.

But very clearly, the concern is cleaning up the site. We don’t want any delays. Some of the concerns, in our opinion, are that some of their recommendations, because they’re sequential, for example, could add up to three to four years to the project. There is existing degradation that’s going to continue, and we have to get on with the process of doing the freezing that’s been agreed to of the 237,000 metric tonnes of arsenic trioxide.

We’re going to continue to do all the work necessary and we’re going to continue to work with the folks here. There are some issues that we don’t agree with, and so, as the Member is fond of

saying, on some of these issues we’re going to have to agree to disagree, I would imagine.

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Question 27-17(5): Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 27-17(5): Environmental Assessment Of Giant Mine Remediation Project

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s unfortunate that the Minister feels we have to disagree on something which would go towards assuaging the concerns of residents, particularly here in Yellowknife.

I’d like to ask the Minister if he can tell me, one of the recommendations w