Budget, Oral Questions, Limitation Of Actions Act, Income Tax Act — 21 February 1995 (12th Assembly, 7th Session, pp. 205–225)
1995-02-21, 12th Assembly 7th Session, pp. 205–225
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of Feb. 21st, 1995
This is page numbers 205 - 225 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was ---agreed .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Omc Response To Proposed Federal Gun Control Legislation
Achieving Consensus On Capital Site Area
Long-service Award Recipients In The Inuvik Region
Effect Of Restraint Measures On Communities
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Status Of Skills Inventory For Potential Diamond Mine
Proclamation Of Aboriginal Custom Adoption Recognition Act
Lay-off Notice To Glos
Status Of "drunkenness" Defence Used In Court
Interim Measures For Crime Situation In Yellowknife
Social Services Replacement Workers
Status Of Human Resources Strategy For Diamond Industry
Difference In Py Figures In Budget Address Vs Budget Estimates
Budget Estimate Increases In Forecasted Revenues
GNWT Strategy Re Quebec Referendum
Established Public Policies Re Procurement Procedures
Status Of GNWT Deficit
Criteria For Hap Housing
Written Question 8-12(7): Community-based Organizations
Return To Written Question 4-12(7): Nursing Training
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Bill 4:
An Act To Amend The Limitation Of Actions Act
Bill 11:
An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act
Bill 12:
An Act To Amend The Judicature Act, No. 2
To Amend Clause 6 Of Bill 12
To Amend Clause 7 Of Bill 12
Bill 10:
An Act To Amend The Liquor Act
Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 23: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe
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---Prayer
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 205
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .
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Omc Response To Proposed Federal Gun Control Legislation
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 205
John Ningark
Natilikmiot
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last October I rose in this House to make a statement on behalf of the Ordinary Members' Caucus regarding gun control. We had just met with the Honourable Allan Rock, the federal Minister of Justice, and shared with him our many concerns regarding potential gun control legislation.
The issues we raised with the Minister included: the use of firearms as tools in traditional lifestyles; the negative impact that the registration of all firearms would have in the north; the need of a large bureaucracy to support this type of registration; and, concern regarding restrictions on sales of ammunition.
Members had a positive feeling about the meeting and felt that Minister Rock listened to and understood our concerns. In concluding our statement in October, I said, Mr. Speaker, "We hope in preparing legislation the Minister will acknowledge our unique situation and provide an exemption or other mechanisms which will provide legislation which is practical, sage and realistic in the northern environment."
Well, Mr. Speaker, as we all know, the legislation tabled by Minister Rock last week did not address any of the concerns we raised with him. There is no acknowledgement in the legislation of the unique circumstances of northern people. Members are not satisfied with many aspects of the gun control legislation tabled by the federal government.
Obviously the meeting with Allan Rock was not sufficient to ensure our concerns were heard and addressed. Therefore, tomorrow I will be introducing a motion on behalf of the Ordinary Members' Caucus which should send a message to the federal government that we are not satisfied and the legislation must be changed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Omc Response To Proposed Federal Gun Control Legislation
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 205
An Hon. Member
Hear, hear.
---Applause
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Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 205
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .
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Achieving Consensus On Capital Site Area
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 205
Brian Lewis
Yellowknife Centre
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last February, a bomb shell was dropped when the Capital City Liaison Committee announced restrictions on development around the capital site area. What annoyed Yellowknife MLAs, Mr. Speaker, was the fact that they were blamed for the most contentious restrictions imposed for the capital area even though MLAs were not involved in any way in developing the plan.
As a result of a public outcry by stakeholders, I'm pleased to note that the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs has now taken charge and will develop a better way to build consensus on developing this plan. At a meeting between the city and the Government of the Northwest Territories in January, a list was made of the most contentious elements and it was proposed to talk to various stakeholders about them and achieve consensus by this summer. I look forward to seeing a reasonable plan for development of the capital site and hope that our new Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Mr. Ng , will give this matter his close attention. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Achieving Consensus On Capital Site Area
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 205
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Lewis . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .
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Long-service Award Recipients In The Inuvik Region
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 205
Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Across the north in the past few months, there have been many long service award dinners recognizing employees of this government. In January, there was a dinner held in Inuvik to recognize long-service employees in the Inuvik region. As we all know, employees are the backbone of any organization, especially ones who demonstrate, through long service, their dedication and commitment to their job and to their employer. They provide a valuable service, not in the community or communities in which they have lived, but to northerners in general.
---Applause
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Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 206
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .
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Effect Of Restraint Measures On Communities
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 206
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I would like to talk today about how our government's budget restraint measures are going to affect our communities. We know that the government is taking steps to maintain, as healthy as possible, the financial situation. We also know that this involves spending cuts. But what we don't know, Mr. Speaker, is exactly how the government will go about this and what impact this will have in our communities.
Prior to this session, about two weeks ago, like many of my colleagues, Mr. Speaker, I spent a lot of time visiting people in the communities in my constituency. These people know that governments across the country are cutting back on programs, Mr. Speaker. They want to know how it will affect them. They want some assurance that the government will act responsibly when it comes to cutting spending. They want the government to seriously consider each of their proposed actions in terms of how it will affect communities.
Our hope for the future lies with our communities. In order to survive and flourish, our people need strong communities. We have to focus our efforts on developing strong communities; that is, communities that stand on their own and provide for their people.
Mr. Speaker, I think that this will require some thinking about how we deliver public services. I have heard this referred to as "re-thinking government." We cannot continue to rely on methods of the past. We cannot continue to build huge bureaucratic structures that are supposed to provide people in the communities with what they need. We have to think about how we can help communities to help themselves.
It isn't good enough to filter limited money through a huge bureaucracy. It isn't good enough to have people in the headquarters office telling people in communities how to run their affairs. We need to take a community development approach. We need to restructure our government and its approach to providing community service.
Mr. Speaker, our Finance Minister has delivered his budget address; next week, the federal Finance Minister will present his budget to the country. I will look forward to that and I sincerely hope that each budget will contain at least some good news that is in the form of plans for developing our communities and for restructuring the way public services are delivered. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.
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Effect Of Restraint Measures On Communities
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 206
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions, Mr. Pollard .
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Return To Question 91-12(7): Status Of Nursing Profession Act
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 206
John Pollard
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Ballantyne on February 17, 1995. It concerned the status of the Nursing Profession Act. Mr. Speaker, as I indicated in a letter to the honourable Member on February 8, 1995, I have been advised that drafting and translation of the bill is in the final stages. The government realizes the importance of this bill, to the future graduates of the nursing program, and has every intention of introducing this bill before the end of February 1995 for passage during the 7th Session of the 12th Legislative Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Return To Question 91-12(7): Status Of Nursing Profession Act
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 206
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Whitford .
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 206
Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, colleagues, I would like to take this occasion to introduce Lydia Bardak, executive director of the Council for the Disabled; formerly with the Canadian National Institute for the Blind here in Yellowknife. Lydia is quite active in the community in many ways, her fund-raising particularly, and a frequent visitor to our gallery. I would like to welcome her.
---Applause
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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Page 206
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ballantyne .
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Question 117-12(7): Status Of Skills Inventory For Potential Diamond Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 206
Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
I have a question, Mr. Speaker, to the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, because there seems to be a good chance that a diamond mine could open up in the next three years in the Northwest Territories with a potential for 600 or more jobs, I wonder what progress has the department made in producing a skills inventory of the North and South Slave human resources, particularly of aboriginal people, to meet this huge employment opportunity?
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Question 117-12(7): Status Of Skills Inventory For Potential Diamond Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 206
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 206
Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Mr. Whitford recommends that I should say, yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot say for certain whether or not we have completed the inventory. I can say to the honourable Member we had been working internally with the Department of Economic Development and Tourism, Renewable Resources and a number of other departments in trying to identify an overall position and an overall response to the whole matter of mining development: in particular, the
whole issue of responding to the matter of the diamond industry. And as a collective, hopefully we can develop an issue that is responsive to the concern that the honourable Member has raised.
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Question 117-12(7): Status Of Skills Inventory For Potential Diamond Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 207
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Mr. Ballantyne .
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Supplementary To Question 117-12(7): Status Of Skills Inventory For Potential Diamond Mine
Question 117-12(7): Status Of Skills Inventory For Potential Diamond Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 207
Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister is aware of the record of our government in the past, and the opportunities provided to northern people in the past have not been as positive as they should have been. So I am wondering if the Minister could give a time frame when this baseline study will be completed. Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 207
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Mr. Nerysoo .
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Further Return To Question 117-12(7): Status Of Skills Inventory For Potential Diamond Mine
Question 117-12(7): Status Of Skills Inventory For Potential Diamond Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 207
Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot give the honourable Member a specific time line. I can advise the honourable Member when the whole matter of Izok Lake was being dealt with, we developed an overall assessment of the job requirements in that particular industry and tried to match that with the potential developments that would occur and the kind of training requirements that were identified. That was intended to give us a reflection of what might be required in overall developments in that area.
What we now need to do is to be more specific about the actual requirements in the industry itself and match the numbers to that along with the other requirements for training. I hope my other colleagues in our working committee will be able to identify those requirements, including government employment or job requirements, in order for us to participate in that particular development.
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Further Return To Question 117-12(7): Status Of Skills Inventory For Potential Diamond Mine
Question 117-12(7): Status Of Skills Inventory For Potential Diamond Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 207
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 207
Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you. I thank the Minister for that response. It appears there will be opportunities, at least, for positions in areas other than the traditional positions that are associated with mining. For instance, in the area of security and there is a possibility for a sorting facility. I just wonder what sort of discussions have taken place with BHP in order to put together training modules in the Northwest Territories, to prepare our people for these opportunities.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Samuel Gargan
Mr. Nerysoo .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to advise the honourable Member, we have a study that is ongoing, right now, on those particular issues, to identify those potential employment opportunities. In fact, the Department of Economic Development and Tourism and my colleague, the Honourable John Todd , is involved directly with that particular report. It also includes not only this particular region, the Yellowknife and broader North Slave area, but it includes the Kitikmeot and also includes the Keewatin, in that particular study.
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Question 117-12(7): Status Of Skills Inventory For Potential Diamond Mine
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Koe .
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Question 118-12(7): Proclamation Of Aboriginal Custom Adoption Recognition Act
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 207
Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The Aboriginal Custom Adoption Recognition Act was presented to this House on November 10, 1994 and I believe the act was to be administered by the Department of Health and Social Services. But the responsibility to implement the act, I believe, is with the Minister of Justice . When will this particular act be proclaimed in force?
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Question 118-12(7): Proclamation Of Aboriginal Custom Adoption Recognition Act
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 207
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 207
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I don't have the information with me, so I will take it as notice. Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 207
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The question is taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Pudluk .
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Question 119-12(7): Lay-off Notice To Glos
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 207
Ludy Pudluk
High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Premier . Last week, the Premier stated that the GLO positions in the communities were given notice only five days ahead of time. Did the Premier extend a certain number of days to warn the GLOs? Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Madam Premier .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, the GLOs were given notice of the change in their status on April 1st. We asked the GLOs to, within five days, give us an indication of whether they would be interested in continuing their employment half-time starting April 1st. I haven't got an update on how many people have responded. I know the Baffin is still a bit behind in responding. One of the questions that the GLOs asked in some of the other areas is how the work they were doing that was not related to requirements through the Executive Offices would be applied to their new job.
As a result, there are three or four GLOs who will be picking up the other half time, which indicates that it will be Health and Social Services taking up the cost because, in fact, they were doing work on behalf of the Department of Health and Social Services. The five days was only to get an indication from the GLOs to see whether they were still interested in the job if it were half time starting April 1st. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Pudluk .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Ludy Pudluk
High Arctic
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I asked the Premier if she has extended the five days so the GLOs
would have more time to respond about whether they would stay on or not. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, we indicated to the GLOs that they had more time than the five days that were originally indicated as a response time frame. Thank you.
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Question 120-12(7): Status Of "drunkenness" Defence Used In Court
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 208
Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. In the past year, there has been much discussion about Supreme Court rulings which allowed drunkenness in a sexual assault case to be used as a defence. I noticed in this week's local newspaper a case in the Northwest Territories where a lawyer is going to use this ploy as a defence argument for one of his clients. In October 1994, the Minister of Justice indicated that there were ongoing discussions with all the provinces and the federal government about using the defence of intoxication. My question to the Minister of Justice is what current discussions have been held and what is the current status on this issue?
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Samuel Gargan
Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is my understanding that the federal Minister has instructed his officials to place as the highest priority the introduction, to this session of Parliament, of legislation that would remove drunkenness as a defence, as we have suggested to the Minister on previous occasions and at the national Justice Ministers' meetings four weeks ago. This is what I understand: that the drafting of legislation has been made the highest priority and the Minister expects to introduce it to Parliament in the course of this session. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Given the recent news articles about a lawyer in our own backyard using the defence of intoxication in a case, is the Minister taking any steps to investigate this specific incident?
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Samuel Gargan
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, it is the Crown attorneys and the federal prosecutor's office who handle these matters at this time. I'm sure they have advised the federal justice officials in Ottawa that these defence cases are being developed, as we speak. Thank you.
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Question 121-12(7): Interim Measures For Crime Situation In Yellowknife
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Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Justice . Over the past few weeks, there has been increasing concern in the city of Yellowknife about crime and about break and enters. I, along with other Yellowknife MLAs, have talked to the police and I know the Minister has been briefed by the police about the situation here in Yellowknife. I wonder if the Minister, in coordination with the police, is prepared to do anything on an interim basis until some of the long-term community-based justice programs come into place. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Samuel Gargan
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is part of our ongoing discussions with the RCMP that we have regular briefings here in Yellowknife about the situation, particularly because of the high profile given to recent incidents of vandalism, robberies, other crimes and some news reports. It is expected that, with the proposed increases in funding to the policing budget this year, the RCMP are currently proposing to reallocate additional positions throughout the Northwest Territories and I believe they may be considering that for Yellowknife as well. Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think there is a lot of support in this Legislative Assembly for community-based policing programs. I know there are pilot projects going on right now. I wonder though, it seems that the pilot projects are in smaller communities and it also seems that we need a closer partnership between the police, the territorial government and the municipal governments in the larger communities. My question to the Minister is, is he giving any thought to establishing some cooperative programs in larger tax-based municipalities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, at this time, we don't have any specific suggestions to make in that regard, although we are having some discussions at this time to develop a framework that would allow community-based policing projects to proceed. But we haven't finalized a general framework yet that would allow us to proceed on specific cases. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
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Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think we're all cognizant of the fact that although having more policemen will help, it's not going to ultimately be the solution to the problem. The solution to the problem is total community involvement. My question to the Minister is if the Yellowknife MLAs got together a meeting with the mayor of the city of Yellowknife, would the Minister be prepared to sit down and discuss some possible community approaches that would be taken in the city of Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Yes, Mr. Speaker, I would be prepared to do that.
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Question 122-12(7): Social Services Replacement Workers
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Rebecca Mike
Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier concerning the GLOs. I do realize that in the smaller communities it is the common practice of GLOs to do some Social Services work when the social worker in the community has quit or before recruitment is made. This is usually because there are no qualified human resource persons or no interested persons in the small community who are available to fill in as a casual worker. My question to the Premier is, who will do the work for Social Services when GLOs go on half time? Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Madam Premier .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, the issue of who does the health or the Social Service work is one that would have to be looked at and identified according to the workload and how we're going to move in continuing to provide the service. So each circumstance will be evaluated and dealt with, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Rebecca Mike
Baffin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With a population of less than 1,000 in a community, human resources are nearly all employed by the GNWT and by local business people; but, in a small community where the population is less than 600, it has been that GLOs do fill in for government positions at times because in the communities sometimes it takes three, four or five months to do any recruitment. I have a concern when these GLOs go on half time in the smaller communities, because they do come in as help is needed for this particular government.
They have been doing some work for social services until such a time as recruitment is made. My question to the Minister is, is she aware that in the smaller communities GLOs do social service work? Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Madam Premier .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, yes, I am aware.
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Samuel Gargan
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Question 123-12(7): Status Of Human Resources Strategy For Diamond Industry
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 209
Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment ; it's a follow-up to one that Mr. Koe had raised a few moments ago concerning the diamond industry and other industries in the north. Like any other industry, they need a skilled workforce, and often you can't find those in the community because we react too late. After the business gets going, it's a little too late to start looking for skilled, trained people. The oil industry experienced that a few years ago, but they took action.
They went ahead and recruited and trained people in anticipation that something was going to happen. I would like to ask the Minister a question in that vein. He did mention in his reply about a strategy that was under way or going to be under way. I would like to find out what's the timetable for that strategy. When does this strategy kick in, Mr. Speaker?
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In fact, Mr. Speaker, I think the credit should go to Mr. Ballantyne . He was the individual asking the question. However, just to respond to the honourable Member -- and I believe it was part of a question that was asked also by Mr. Ballantyne , but I appreciate the honourable Member raising the matter again -- the department is developing a strategy which is planned to be completed by April 1995 which addresses the matter of the government and the people of the north maximizing northern employment in the mining industry.
To be more specific, I want to advise the honourable Member that Human Resources Development Canada and the North Slave Economic Development and Tourism group are funding partners in this initiative, because they feel that it's an important component in order for us, as a government to respond and for them to identify the individuals who could participate in the mining industry.
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Samuel Gargan
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Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My apologies to Mr. Koe and to Mr. Ballantyne . From over here, without my glasses...Mr. Speaker, I think you would probably be aware that some time ago the oil industry was endeavouring to recruit people in the territories to work in the industry. They called on northerners to put together an inventory of potential employees; that is, go almost community to community to see who was available and what particular skills they had in that area or any skills they had in the oil and gas industry, electrical, plumbing, this kind of thing. They put this together, along with their names.
I want to ask the Minister whether or not such an inventory exists today, or have you given any thought, if it isn't there, to establishing something like that.
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I again appreciate the questions that are being asked. I think what was required -- and it was a point that was raised and, again, a comment made by the honourable Member for Yellowknife North , and was an issue of concern to the honourable Member who raised the question...The issue initially was that we didn't identify the jobs that were available, or the numbers of jobs that could be made available.
Once that is done, we then have the ability to identify the potential training opportunities that could be made available to people in Yellowknife or the surrounding region, in the Kitikmeot or in the North Slave area. Hopefully, we can expand the information to include the Keewatin. Once we've done that, it is much easier for us than to talk to the communities to advise them of the potential and to identify the individuals for training. I think that's an important component.
I do want to say again that it's been very fortunate for us to have gone through the Izok Lake assessment because the Kitikmeot was involved. They've identified some of the issues. The Treaty 8 group has been involved. The Dogrib communities have been involved. The Honourable John Todd has been involved in discussions with the city of Yellowknife and other partners in this region, including the Chamber of Mines and the Chamber of Commerce. The consultant will be researching existing documentation consulting with stakeholders and to have a strategy, hopefully, done by April of 1995.
The suggestion of an information catalogue system of potential individuals, I think, is a very good one and should be considered in the strategy.
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Question 124-12(7): Difference In Py Figures In Budget Address Vs Budget Estimates
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday the Minister of Finance presented his budget address. It was a dynamic presentation by the Minister of Finance . In his statement, he mentioned that this government went through some difficult downsizing and streamlining and went on to say, on page 8 of his address, that in 1994-95, this government eliminated 86 person years. When I take that statement and look at the main estimates book under the
schedule under viii, which shows a
summary of continuing person year requirements, I note that there has only been a reduction of 52 PYs from the 1994 revised forecast to the 1995-96 main estimates. So there is a difference of 34 person years. Tonight I would like to sleep easy, rest and put my mind at ease. So can the Minister explain why this difference in person years from his statement from what the book says?
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .
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John Pollard
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when we say we eliminated the jobs, that is exactly what we did. We took the jobs out of the departments or the boards and they were jobs stricken from the record. The difference between the two numbers, Mr. Speaker, is in each year, we also have forced growth. We see most of that in teachers. As our young population gets into schools, we need more teachers. So the difference between the two is the forced growth, the extra positions we had to put on to meet the needs of the boards. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
The Minister really hasn't convinced me with his arguments. Where were the majority of these reductions in PYs? I am referring to PYs because that is what the Minister said in his statement, not jobs. Where were the majority of the reductions made? Were they made at headquarters or at regional levels?
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Hay River
Mr. Speaker, that gets complicated. Some of them are half positions and so on. So I will table a comprehensive document that shows the positions that were eliminated, the forced growth that took place and -- I know that Mr. Koe is an expert in numbers -- I will make sure the numbers balance. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Mahsi. I have to buy a new calculator. The Minister didn't really answer my question as to whether the majority of these reductions are made at headquarters, which I assume they were. They were supposed to be made at headquarters or be transferred into regions. What was the impact on the growth in the Government of the Northwest Territories public service in Yellowknife?
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Mr. Speaker, when I table the document that I just mentioned, it will be by community. So the impact upon Yellowknife will be visible in that document. Thank you.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question to the Minister of Finance . Mr. Speaker, yesterday, when the Minister of Finance tabled his budget book, in reviewing the taxation revenue and listening to his interview this morning, he indicated that there would be no increase in taxation. But the budget book reveals an estimated increase in the forecast of revenues. When you look at the personal income tax in last year's main estimates compared to this year, you will notice an increase of 4.9 per cent; corporate taxes, 32.2 per cent; and, payroll taxes, five per cent.
Can the Minister indicate if he feels, in his viewpoint, that the economy is enhanced by allowing such forecasted revenues to be reflected in this budget?
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John Pollard
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said yesterday -- and forecasting is not a very good science, Mr. Speaker -- we believe there have been 1,000 jobs created this year. We are seeing a volume growth in the amount of taxation that we are receiving. That affects the personal income tax, the number of jobs in the Northwest Territories and the payroll tax. Salaries are creeping along and there is some growth in salaries. So we get a bit more of an increase in taxation in that regard.
With regard to corporate taxes, Mr. Speaker, it is very difficult to predict. Individuals living in the Northwest Territories declare tax in the NWT, personally. People working in the NWT must pay the payroll tax in the Northwest Territories. Corporations have a little bit more leeway. They can declare taxation where they can get it the lowest. As I said on the radio this morning, Newfoundland has reduced their taxation down to 14 per cent corporately. So it is difficult to really forecast exactly what is going to happen, but we believe there are going to be some increases in corporate income tax declared in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell , supplementary.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can I ask the Minister to provide to this House the amounts of increases over the past two years of estimated revenues, to see whether or not they were the estimations predicted initially? Would he provide that information to the House? Thank you.
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John Pollard
Hay River
Yes, Mr. Speaker. I will provide the information to the House. But as I said earlier...For instance, at the last Finance Ministers' meeting, there was agreement around the table that with today's volatile economy and interest rates, the kinds of five-year forecasting people used to do is out the window. You are lucky if you can forecast for a year. I will provide the information, but it is only as good as the indicators that we have. Thank you.
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Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I asked that question because of the fact that when we initially implemented a payroll tax, the actuals and the projected revenues were $7.8 million. However, the actual revenue received by the government was to the tune of $11.8 million, when you look at the 1994-95 budget. This year, with the revenue estimated, they anticipate to receive anywhere from $12.4 million in payroll taxes. Having said that, the Minister's budget, as we all know, is presented as a deficit budget.
But looking at where these revenues are going to be coming in from, it would be helpful to the Members of this House -- we all know that liquor revenues are going up, as well as goods and services revenues -- if the Department of Finance could advise their projected revenues so we may determine the cause for the increased projected amounts placed in the budget book. Thank you.
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Mr. Speaker, I will provide the information. Thank you.
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Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Premier and it has to do with the referendum in Quebec. Everyone is aware that the whole issue of the referendum is heating up. Bouchard is back into the fray, and it is in the news every day. Our jurisdiction is probably the most vulnerable jurisdiction to changes in the Canadian federation. My question to the Premier is what is the GNWT strategy in dealing the referendum in Quebec on separation?
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, we have made it very clear in the referendum talks and in response to any suggestions of change in the realignment of any boundaries that it would be totally unacceptable to the Northwest Territories. In terms of discussions we have had with other Premiers at the table, there has been a difficult discussion about how to approach the momentum that has been building in Quebec for a referendum. I know that a couple of the Premiers have decided to become a little more aggressive in making statements and being involved.
However, in discussions with all the other Premiers and the Prime Minister of Canada, the basic assumption was that the action is in Quebec and we should be careful in taking our particular point of view and perhaps having that point of view turn against us because it could provide a situation where it gives more credence to the issue of sovereignty for Quebec.
The Ottawa office continues to monitor the situation and the government is kept informed on the various initiatives that have been taken by other provincial jurisdictions. As well, the Prime Minister's office is attempting to keep us in tune. We've offered, as a jurisdiction, to be involved but up to this point in time, there hasn't been an indication of what would be most helpful in this situation, Mr. Speaker.
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I think it's a very important problem for the Northwest Territories. My question to the Premier is has our government looked at what the ramifications would be for the Northwest Territories if, for instance, the people in Quebec decided that they would separate?
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, the work that our Ottawa office is doing is trying to identify some of the areas that would be of major importance to us if and when the referendum takes place. I believe that it is everyone's firm opinion, whether it be British Columbia, Nova Scotia or New Brunswick, that the significant ramifications on how each jurisdiction is treated financially has not been looked at. I know that there is an intergovernmental committee at the Premiers' level looking at some of the effects of taking the provincial jurisdiction of Quebec out of the tax base on the rest of the country.
As the Member knows, and anyone else who is listening to statements being made, it is not quite clear what the intent of the province of Quebec is in terms of their obligations to the overall Canadian debt situation. We know that they have suggested that they would pay the interest, which got some chuckles. Most jurisdictions feel that this should be handled properly without undue excitement. We should not be putting ourselves in a situation where we are further promoting sovereignty. That seems to be the major concern.
The assessments we are making as a Northwest Territories jurisdiction include the implications of the Makivik offshore negotiations or Quebec-federal government negotiations could have on Northwest Territories boundaries arising from Quebec's claim to lands and waters in the Hudson Bay, James Bay, Hudson Strait and Ungava Bay region. This issue is of continued interest to the Northwest Territories, and our people are monitoring this issue as well as the disruptive implications of the Quebec separation movement for the Northwest Territories resupply operations, cost escalations and possible alternative resupply options.
Another issue is the implications which a national unity crisis would have on the division of the territories and the establishment of Nunavut in terms of delay and fiscal pressures. We feel that there will be consequences of Quebec separation for aboriginal people in Quebec and possible issues relating to the efforts by Inuit of northern Quebec to seek inclusion in the Nunavut territory.
Mr. Speaker, as you can see, there are implications to the well-being of the Northwest Territories. We try, as much as possible, to use our offices in Ottawa to keep ahead of the situation so that, if and when the situation becomes more real, we can have a respectable response. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you. I take it from that rather long answer that the government doesn't really know what the impact would be on the Northwest Territories. Because 85 per cent of our funding comes from Ottawa, it seems to me that we are the most dependent jurisdiction in the united Canadian federation of any jurisdiction and easily the most vulnerable. The other side of the equation is if the referendum of Quebec turns out so that Quebec stays in and there will be a new round of constitutional discussions.
For those people who didn't support Charlottetown or Meech Lake, the end result is that we have absolutely no or very little constitutional protection in the existing constitution of Canada. What will be the government's strategy if, in fact, the result of the referendum is that the people of Quebec decide to stay in confederation? How will we get involved in the next round of constitutional discussions?
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories government and the residents of the Northwest Territories have a large, vast constituency that, in itself, provides that it is well managed. A positive look at how we could be more self-sufficient, probably would be a far more positive way of dealing with the situation. Dependency on other jurisdictions or other matters from the provincial jurisdictions, whether there is separation, whether there is not,
whether there may be another constitutional round really are just questions that are looming over the horizon. We can only second-guess what they would be, and we can only second-guess some possible strategy to a theoretical question. But we realize that they are there, we take it seriously, but in the meantime, I believe our situation is one where we have an opportunity to gain much more self-sufficiency in the wise use of our resources that we have here in the Northwest Territories and in managing them well.
There have been a number of claim settlements that could be well supported in trying to get some movement for the residents of the Northwest Territories in terms of jobs and business opportunities.
So I guess when such a question has been posed to me, it's difficult to answer in a very simple way because there are a lot of issues in the national, global context that can go either way and I would think that we will be involved in any future constitutional discussions. We've been assured of that, if there should be one.
Certainly, in terms of the financial arrangements that we have with Canada, with the Prime Minister, he realizes the particular situation with us. Once the budget comes down, we will be having another series of meetings on how we can cooperatively make sure that if there are going to be cuts or squeezes, that we play a part on how that is done, whether it's a federal operation in the Northwest Territories or a territorial one.
So, Mr. Speaker, I don't want to be evasive or try to put it off and not answer the question, but I do not believe that we will not be included in whatever there is or whatever situation we find ourselves in. Certainly, self-sufficiency is a most important goal to achieve and, secondly, if all goes according to the best scenario, Canada stays together. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Michael Ballantyne
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Final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was just trying to illustrate the vulnerability of the Northwest Territories and our overdependence on Ottawa. My question to the Premier is, would the Premier acknowledge the fact that we are very, very dependent on Ottawa, we are very, very vulnerable to events nationally and internationally, and that if we don't start to become more self-sufficient and develop our own resources we're going to have major problems here in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Was that a question or more of a comment? Madam Premier .
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It was a ministerial statement.
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Question 126-12(7): GNWT Strategy Re Quebec Referendum
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 213
Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I fully agree with the statement...
---Laughter
...made by the Honourable Michael Ballantyne . Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Question 127-12(7): Established Public Policies Re Procurement Procedures
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 213
Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Premier . Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Premier with regard to whether or not the government has established certain public policies. Mr. Speaker, we're all aware that the Dene/Metis Holdings is an aboriginal community-based organization in Fort Smith. It is 50 per cent owned by the Salt River First Nations, the Fitz Smith Native Development Corporation and by the Metis Nation, Local 50. The Dene/Metis's objective is basically to unite the Dene/Metis people of Fort Smith in the pursuance of common economic objectives.
The opportunity of the maintenance facility was being one of the first of many future projects in the community which they have been pursuing jointly. I would like to ask the Premier , has the government formally established any public policies and related directives in its procurement procedures that recognize the socio-economic benefits of community-based organizations versus individually owned? Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Madam Premier .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I will take that question as notice.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The question is taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Whitford .
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Question 128-12(7): Status Of GNWT Deficit
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 213
Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question I would like to address to the Minister of Finance . It deals with his budget speech of yesterday. I listened intently and I may have missed it somewhere along the way, but the question I want to direct to the Minister is that he is forecasting a deficit of some $14 million for this fiscal year. I would like to ask the Minister, how much do we owe altogether? How much are we in debt, given the past years' deficits, health billings dispute and what have you? How much money do we owe to whoever?
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Question 128-12(7): Status Of GNWT Deficit
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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John Pollard
Hay River
Mr. Speaker, at the end of this fiscal year, I'm projecting that we will owe or we will be in the deficit position of $23.3 million. At the end of 1995-96, the projection is $38.3 million. Mr. Speaker, if people are wondering why there's a $1 million difference between the deficit I announced yesterday and the numbers I've just given it's because $1 million is allocated to loan funds. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Whitford .
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Supplementary To Question 128-12(7): Status Of GNWT Deficit
Question 128-12(7): Status Of GNWT Deficit
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 214
Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thought last year we were sort of short because of this health billings dispute. Has this been resolved to the point now that we no longer are owed that kind of money? The total debt, if you were to take a cheque for $38 million it would make us...To simplify it best, $38 million...Is that the bottom line?
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Mr. Pollard .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 214
John Pollard
Hay River
Mr. Speaker, at the end of 1995-96, we're forecasting $38.3 million of deficit. Mr. Speaker, with regard to the health billings dispute, we've allowed for certain write-downs in our books. The outcome of this afternoon's negotiation which is, I believe, taking place now with regard to the health billings dispute will tell us whether we have to make any further write-downs, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Pudlat .
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Question 129-12(7): Criteria For Hap Housing
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 214
Kenoayoak Pudlat
Baffin South
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of the Housing Corporation . As you are aware, people are gradually obtaining their own forms of housing. People seem to have very strict rules that they have to follow in order to obtain housing, such as home ownership and HAP. This is dependent upon their housing needs, of course, but they seem to have very rigid rules that have to be followed. What does the act say itself, when it comes to home ownership? Is there some freedom on the part of the clients who want to apply for housing? What is the criteria to have applications approved for HAP housing? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 129-12(7): Criteria For Hap Housing
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 214
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Minister of Housing , Mr. Morin .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 214
Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Under the new Housing Corporation programs, there are many programs that people can access for home ownership units. If people are of lower income and are elderly, they can access alternate units, and other people with medium income can access units that are the three-bedroom, four-bedroom, five-bedroom units for bigger families. There is also the down payment assistance program, as well as a forgivable loan program and the direct lending program. There is also a program called bridge financing, where we can lend them the money until they secure their financing from banks.
So there are all types of programs that people can access. If any of your constituents are having any problem accessing home ownership programs, if you can tell me about it I will be pleased to assist them. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Pudlat .
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Item 6: Oral Questions
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Kenoayoak Pudlat
Baffin South
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am aware that in my constituency my people have not had any freedom of choice to select the kind of housing that they want. There were some people who were allowed to get a three-bedroom house and the reason I am asking that is I was wondering if they are all allowed to get the same kind of housing of their choice. Do they have the freedom to select how many rooms and all the other details? Is it up to the clients to decide what kind of housing is best suited for them? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 214
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Mr. Morin .
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Question 129-12(7): Criteria For Hap Housing
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 214
Don Morin
Tu Nedhe
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The process is once a client does apply for a unit, staff from the Housing Corporation, project officers, will meet with that client to counsel that client. For example, if a client has two teenage children and one small child, then they will be eligible for a three-bedroom unit. But if a client has six children, then they will be eligible for a bigger unit. So it is all based on the client themselves. So, in some cases, we are building up to five-bedroom units and, in some cases, as small as two.
But we have changed the Housing Corporation program since we got elected. There used to be approximately 30 different designs you could choose from, we got rid of all of those and we made three basic designs: a two-bedroom unit, a three-bedroom unit and a four-bedroom unit. But all of those designs can be expanded on; for example, if you had two children and you moved into a two-bedroom unit and your family got bigger, then you could add two more bedrooms on or one more bedroom very easily, at a later date, and a partition could come out to make the living area bigger.
If a client did not want, for example, the screw jack system for a foundation, there would be a dollar amount in his budget. So if he is allowed $4,000 for a foundation system and he wanted to put a basement instead, that would be allowable as long as he picked up the extra dollars.
Also what we made very clear is because we have restricted the designs now to a minimum of three, clients can also choose to build their own designs, as long as it is CMHC approved and it falls within their need. In that way, clients have a lot of ability to do what they want with that unit. But it has to be brought in for the same amount of money and it has to be brought in on time, the construction time. Thank you.
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Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 214
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Question period is now over. Item 7, written questions. Mrs. Marie-Jewell .
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Written Question 8-12(7): Community-based Organizations
Item 7: Written Questions
Page 214
Jeannie Marie-Jewell
Thebacha
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have two written questions for the Premier .
1. Would the Premier advise this House whether or not there are any universal government
definitions on what constitutes a community-based organization?
2. Are there any processes in place for a community to sanction the establishment and/or existence of community-based organizations? Thank you.
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Written Question 8-12(7): Community-based Organizations
Item 7: Written Questions
Page 215
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Mr. Clerk.
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Return To Written Question 4-12(7): Nursing Training
Item 8: Returns To Written Questions
Page 215
Clerk Of The House
Mr. David Hamilton
Mr. Speaker, Return to Written Question 4-12(7), asked by Mr. Patterson to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment concerning nursing training.
There are two components to the nursing program offered by College West in Yellowknife, a nursing access year and the nursing diploma program. Currently, there are 32 students registered in the access year, of which 31 are from the Northwest Territories and one from the Yukon territory. There are 25 students registered in the nursing diploma program. All of them are from the Northwest Territories.
A total of 10 students from the Nunavut regions are registered in this program. Five are registered in the access year, two each from Baffin and Keewatin and one from the Kitikmeot region. Another five students are registered in the nursing diploma program. Again, two each are from Baffin and Keewatin and one from the Kitikmeot region.
The existing nursing diploma program is available to all residents of the Northwest Territories. There are no plans at this time to offer the program in the Nunavut regions.
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Return To Written Question 4-12(7): Nursing Training
Item 8: Returns To Written Questions
Page 215
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, replies to budget address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. Item 15, notices of motion. Item 16, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 17, motions. Item 18, first reading of bills. Item 19, second reading of bills. Item 20, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters: Bill 1, Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96 ; Bill 4,
An Act to Amend the Limitation of Actions Act ; Bill 6,
An Act to Amend the Petroleum Products Tax Act ; Bill 8,
An Act to Amend the Dental Mechanics Act ; Bill 9,
An Act to Amend the Legal Profession Act ; Bill 10,
An Act to Amend the Liquor Act ; Bill 11,
An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act ; Bill 12,
An Act to Amend the Judicature Act, No. 2 ; Bill 14, Miscellaneous Statutes Amending Act, 1994 ; Committee Report 2-12(7), Report on the Legislative Action Paper on the Office of Ombudsman for the Northwest Territories; and, Committee Report 3-12(7), Report on the Review of the Legislative Action Paper Proposing New Heritage Legislation for the Northwest Territories, with Mr. Lewis in the chair.
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Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Page 215
The Chair
Brian Lewis
I would like to call the committee to order. What would the committee like to do today? Mr. Dent .
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Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Page 215
Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Mr. Chairman, I would like to recommend that we consider bills in the following order: Bill 4 ; Bill 11 ; Bill 12 ; Bill 10 ; and, who knows, if we are really moving, we may get a start on Bill 8 .
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Page 215
The Chair
Brian Lewis
Okay, that is the proposed order then. Does the committee agree with that proposal?
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Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Page 215
Some Hon. Members
Agreed.
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Bill 4:
An Act To Amend The Limitation Of Actions Act
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Page 215
The Chair
Brian Lewis
We are on Bill 4 , as agreed,
An Act to Amend the Limitation of Actions Act. All right, who is introducing this bill? Mr. Kakfwi .
Minister's Introductory Remarks
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Bill 4:
An Act To Amend The Limitation Of Actions Act
Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Page 215
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The purpose of the Act to Amend the Limitation of Actions Act is to address a shortcoming in the legislation with respect to limitation periods imposed on actions arising out of sexual assaults. The Limitation of Actions Act sets out the time period in which civil suits must be commenced. Law suits for assault, including sexual assault, must be brought within two years of the incident. Sexual assaults are unlike other wrongs for which a civil suit may be undertaken.
In the case of sexual assaults, it has been shown that victims are often so traumatized that they are unable or unwilling to consider bringing a law suit for damages against an assailant for years after the events, if ever. Victims often cope with a sexual assault by disassociating themselves psychologically and emotionally from the event. When the victim has finally overcome this impediment, the two-year limitation period acts to prevent legal action. In this manner, a sexual offender is more likely to avoid civil consequences for the assault where the victim is most severely traumatized.
It is not in the public interest to extend immunity from liability to sexual offenders.
Mr. Chairman, these amendments address this problem by proposing that the running of the limitation period be delayed until the victim was capable of commencing the proceedings. A presumption would be set out in the amendment that the victim was incapable of commencing proceedings earlier than the time they were commenced.
In cases where the perpetrator of the assault was in a position of trust or authority in relation to the victim, or where the victim was dependent on the assaulter, sexual assaults are likely to be even more traumatic than otherwise. The assault almost always causes various psychological and emotional harms to the victim, the damage, for the most part, being hidden and often debilitating. When the damage begins to become apparent, the connection between the assault and the present psychological injuries is often unknown