Debates of May 1st, 1996

This is page numbers 131 - 149 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was public .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Building A Foundation For The Future: The Northwest Territories Agenda For Change

Minister Absent From The House

Notice Of Budget Address

Election Fraud Investigation In Thebacha

Iqaluit Focus Group On Deficit Reduction Strategies

The Business Incentive Policy

Outdated NWT Legislation

Settlement Of Outstanding Aboriginal Claims

Provision Of Air Safety Instruction In Inuktitut

Concerns Expressed At Yellowknife South Constituency Meeting

Appreciation Of Community Volunteers

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Review Of Funding Proposal For Nunavut Infrastructure

GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Privatization Of Trail Cross

Status Of New Business Incentive Policy

GNWT Role In Construction Of Nunavut Infrastructure

Funding For Tourism Training Programs

Impact Of Wage Reductions On Social Assistance

Question 111- 13(3): Personal Care Facilities For Seniors

Construction Of Gjoa Haven Health Centre

Update On GNWT/unw Negotiations

Status Of Funding To Cooperatives For Credit Unions

Status Of NWT Correctional

GNWT Criteria For Sole-source Contracts

Application Of GNWT Affirmative Action Policy To Nwtpc

Update On Fuel Spill In Igloolik

Fort Mcpherson Water Treatment Plant

Increase In Education Taxes

Written Question 4-13(3): Lack Of Availability Of Aviation Fuel In The Nunavut Area

Return To Written Question 1-13(3): Regional Director's Position

Return To Written Question 2-13(3): Elimination Of Regional Director's Position

Item 10: Petitions

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Bill 10: Budget Measures Implementation Act, 1996-97

Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97

Bill 12: Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2

Bill 13: Loan Authorization Act, 1996-97

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 131

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I would like to bring the House to order. I would like to welcome you on this spring day -- at least in some parts of the Territories -- for the resumption of the Third Session. I would like to thank Roxanne Tucker for singing us the Lord's Prayer.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 131

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 26-13(3): Building A Foundation For The Future: The Northwest Territories Agenda For Change

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 131

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Northwest Territories is our home. It's the place where we will build our future. Mr. Speaker, this afternoon I want to talk about the steps the 1 3th Assembly is taking to secure the future of the Northwest Territories. Let me tell you, first of all, that our people want to build their own future. They are determined to make their own decisions and they want to set their own priorities. The message we got from the people during the election was loud and clear:

- the people want a government that is committed to the creation of two new territories;

- they want a government that respects and moves forward on aboriginal issues;

- they want a government that faces up to its fiscal situation; and,

- they want a government that has the same priorities they do.

Mr. Speaker, our people want a government that will help them build a solid foundation for the future. To make that happen, we developed what we call the Agenda for Change.

Since the election, the Members of the Assembly have been working together on managing change and creating opportunities. We have looked at the ways we can achieve self-sufficiency and self-determination, how we can secure northern control over northern resources and how we can establish a workable framework for community empowerment.

We have looked at where we are in Canada and how we can take our rightful place in Canada; a Canada that understands and recognizes the important role of our people, our land and our future. Mr. Speaker, if we are going to succeed, we need a change in direction. This means many of the old ways of doing things must be changed. But out of these changes we want to create new opportunities for the citizens of the Northwest Territories so they can take control over their own future.

Mr. Speaker, this is what the Agenda for Change is all about. It's about building a foundation for the future; a future where our children and grandchildren will have a better opportunity to realize their hopes and dreams.

The Agenda for Change is about changing the way government does business. It is about setting clear priorities and objectives. It is about getting things done. Mr. Speaker, the Agenda for Change is our public commitment to the people to secure the social, economic and political future of the Northwest Territories.

Our Vision For The Future

Mr. Speaker, the Members of the Assembly have looked over our situation; where we are and where we might be going. We've talked about what was right and what wasn't so good in the Northwest Territories.

We've taken a long, hard look at where we want to be. And we've made some decisions about where we want to take this government and the Northwest Territories, about what it's going to look like here in the future.

Mr. Speaker, the 13th Assembly's vision for the future is for a Northwest Territories with a secure financial future. It is for a Northwest Territories that will be more established as a viable political and economic unit in Canada.

We see healthier, better-educated and more self-reliant people who are able to enjoy a good quality of life. We see people with access to more of the jobs they want and need.

By setting out a clear direction, and sticking to it, we will be able to do it. By setting our priorities now and working hard to meet them, we will build a stronger Northwest Territories.

Making Our Vision A Reality

Mr. Speaker, the budget that the Minister of Finance will be bringing down later this week will provide the details of what we're going to do to put these strategies into place. Mr. Todd will outline how we're going to use the resources we do have to make our vision a reality.

But today I want to tell you about the priorities we have chosen and I am going to make a public commitment, on behalf of myself, the Cabinet and all the Members of the 13th Assembly, to get the job done.

Later on today, I will be tabling the Agenda for Change in the Assembly. This document, which we will call: "Building a Foundation for the Future: The Northwest Territories Agenda for Change" sets out our priorities in detail. The Agenda for Change explains each of the challenges we face, why we chose each of our priorities and what we want to see happen.

To make sure that the people hear about the Agenda for Change, we are going to circulate it widely to every community in the Northwest Territories. That's because we want everyone to know about our commitment to them; what we are going to do and why we are going to do it.

Mr. Speaker, later on this year we will issue a second report -- a report card -- to tell people what we've accomplished, so that they can hold us accountable. This will also give them a chance to tell us about any changes they might want us to make.

Right now, though, Mr. Speaker, I would like to say just a few more words about each of the 10 priorities we've set out for the 13th Assembly in the Agenda for Change.

Our Priorities

First of all, Mr. Speaker, we will secure our financial future. We know that fiscal limitations should not determine what our goals are, they should only affect the time it takes to do them.

Mr. Speaker, our projected deficit means tough decisions have to be made but we also understand that people must have time to adjust to the changes. So, to protect the delivery of essential programs and services for those most in need, we decided to balance the budget over a two-year period. While many budget changes will be made in 1996-97, others will wait until 1997-98.

Mr. Speaker, I want to say one more thing about the budget and it remains important to say: All the changes we make will be fair.

Second, Mr. Speaker, we will improve social conditions. Poor social conditions mean hardships for a lot of people in the Northwest Territories. These conditions also make solving our other problems harder.

Therefore, we're going to concentrate on community-based healing and treatment programs and we're going to help individuals participate in the workforce, rather than having them stay on social assistance.

Third, Mr. Speaker, we will improve economic conditions. The economy of the Northwest Territories is not growing fast enough to provide all the jobs our citizens need. Unemployment is already too high and it will get worse if we don't take action. Mr. Speaker, people need jobs and we want to do everything we can to make sure those jobs are there. There are many exciting economic opportunities in the Northwest Territories. We want the people here to be able to take advantage of them. We're going to adopt a more comprehensive and coordinated approach to economic development to help the economy provide new, sustainable business and employment opportunities for northerners.

We will empower communities, Mr. Speaker. Communities must have the authority to make decisions and manage their own affairs. Communities need to solve community-level social problems themselves. Community empowerment is a cornerstone of the Agenda for Change. People want community control. They want decisions made at the community level. They want to deliver programs and services according to local values and needs. The Agenda for Change recognizes this reality and will give community leaders the tools they need to do it.

Mr. Speaker, we will work towards community wellness. We know that healthy communities enhance the self-reliance of both the community as a whole and its individual members. And we know that the challenges facing the Northwest Territories won't be solved until communities are healthy enough to tackle these changes on their own.

Mr. Speaker, we will develop a more effective and efficient government structure. Government operations need to be streamlined. We want this government to get its house in order, to set a clear direction and to stick to its plan. Doing this will provide a better and more secure future for the Northwest Territories.

In my last sessional statement, I told you about a number of initiatives we were taking to make this happen and tomorrow the Minister of Finance will tell you more about them and some others. What I will say about this priority now is that all of our plans for reshaping the way the government works will contain one consistent theme: the need to change the way government does business.

Mr. Speaker, we will make Nunavut and the new Western Territory a reality. Everyone knows that on April 1, 1999, two new territories will be created and we want everyone, our citizens and the federal government, to know that we are sincere in our belief and serious in our intent that this will happen.

Mr. Speaker, we will take action on aboriginal issues. Making progress on aboriginal issues is a central concern for us because of who we are and where we live. We all know that completing claims and resolving other aboriginal issues will provide the stability necessary to move ahead and to secure the future for all of us.

Mr. Speaker, we have to move ahead and we must do it together in a way that recognizes the inherent right and which respects and honours existing treaties and claims processes. Aboriginal organizations must be our partners.

Enhanced aboriginal participation in government planning is going to be a big part of meeting all of our other priorities. With aboriginal participation in the planning and the decision making, we will succeed.

Mr. Speaker, we will take control of our own future. We need to take control of the province-like powers the federal government still exercises over us. Northern control will bring more balanced development and new revenue resources. It will increase the self-reliance of the Northwest Territories and facilitate job creation.

This land belongs to the people who live here and we need the tools to build our own future. It's time for us to control our own future; it's time for the federal government to let go.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, we will be heard at the national level. Canadian financial and political developments have a real impact on the interests of the Northwest Territories, usually a lot more than any other jurisdiction. This means that our ability to represent our interests to the rest of Canada will have a big effect on our ability to achieve our other priorities.

We're going to take a more coordinated and focused approach to our relationships with Canada and the provinces and we're going to speak for ourselves.

Mr. Speaker, this might sound like an ambitious agenda -and it is -but if we work together, I know we can make it happen. Members of the Legislative Assembly want to work with people across the North to implement our plans and to make sure that the government works to the benefit of all the areas and all the people of the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, with a shared vision and cooperation, we can reshape the way government works in the North. Mr. Speaker, we are committed to the Agenda for Change.

With the help and support of our citizens, we are confident that we can meet the challenges we face. Mahsi cho. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 26-13(3): Building A Foundation For The Future: The Northwest Territories Agenda For Change

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 133

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Premier . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 27-13(3): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House today to attend matters related to the passing away of an elder in his constituency. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 27-13(3): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 28-13(3): Notice Of Budget Address

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Thursday, May 2, 1996, I will deliver the Budget Address. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 28-13(3): Notice Of Budget Address

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Election Fraud Investigation In Thebacha

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about our election system. For many of the Members, the 1995 election was a learning experience. Unfortunately, in my case, which should have been a lesson in the virtues of the democratic system, it became instead a lesson in how easy it is to make a mockery of our political process and hurt innocent people along the way.

Instead, the people of Fort Smith and those people accused have watched costly court arguments between the RCMP and Elections Canada over who had handled the complaint, no clear end to the complaint, and evidence of how easily a person with ill intent could disrupt the election process if they want to.

Frankly, Mr. Speaker, I am appalled at the time and money that has been spent by both the RCMP and Elections Canada as they squabbled over jurisdiction and staff resources as they duplicated each other's efforts investigating the same complaint. When the federal government is cutting our funding for housing and other social programs, it is hard to believe that a simple investigation of a possible election fraud in a community of 2,500 people ends up costing the taxpayers the equivalent of at least five nurses' or teachers' salaries.

At this point, apparently the CEO of Elections Canada has determined there is no basis for the complaint. The RCMP continued with their own investigation and apparently have sent a final report dismissing the allegations to the CEO, who will have the final say regarding the charges laid.

Mr. Speaker, the way Elections Canada and the RCMP have handled the elections complaint in Fort Smith seems to be a travesty to the process. Of course, it is difficult to know what is really happening given the lack of clear information from these two organizations. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Election Fraud Investigation In Thebacha

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Thebacha is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Election Fraud Investigation In Thebacha

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

It is difficult to know what is really happening, given the clear lack of information from these two organizations. I believe those accused of wrongdoing need a public acknowledgement of their innocence. It is also time for both bureaucracies to be very clear about the results of their investigations and about why what should have been a quick responsive process, has become this plodding nightmare.

Mr. Speaker, I have a number of questions as a result of this disturbing experience. No other individual or MLA should have to go through what those accused have gone through for the last seven months, as a result of these apparently unfounded allegations. While I realize that the two organizations in question are federal bodies, they are both providing service to this government. Over the next few weeks, I intend to ask for answers until I am satisfied that we have the answers we need to ensure this nonsense doesn't happen again and the system will work the way it should next time; providing swift justice and clearing the names of the innocent. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Election Fraud Investigation In Thebacha

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Iqaluit Focus Group On Deficit Reduction Strategies

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to begin by thanking the Minister for DIAND for finally officially recognizing Iqaluit as the capital of Nunavut yesterday.

Mr. Speaker, I said in this House on March 28th, as one of the vocal critics of the deficit reduction plans announced by this government, that I would also have to give alternate suggestions to meet our fiscal challenges. Mr. Speaker, I said that when I returned to Iqaluit, I would hold a focus group to get ideas and solutions to help the GNWT with this very difficult deficit situation.

Mr. Speaker, the Iqaluit focus group was moderated by a well-known Iqaluit businessman Bob Hanson, representatives from the Iqaluit Chamber of Commerce, the municipality of Iqaluit, elders, the president and Secretary/treasurer surer of NTI, the president of the Baffin Regional Inuit Association, as well as government employees and community residents who took part.

Mr. Speaker, the Iqaluit focus group had ideas on deficit reduction strategies. Some of these included basing the capital budget on community needs and not wants; standing orders for goods and services should be based regionally and not territorially; and, eliminate duplication of programs and

services delivered by individual GNWT departments. These are just some of the deficit reduction strategies. The focus group also came up with revenue-generation ideas. These included that the GNWT should introduce a revamped tax structure to lure new money and companies to the NWT; develop a stronger base of export for our renewable resources; investigate other have-not areas of the country to see how they have moved away from dependence on federal transfers.

Mr. Speaker, the GNWT is not unique in its current deficit situation. We could learn something from other jurisdictions. Mr. Speaker, I will table the complete report of the focus group meeting later today in this House. I have also given a copy to the Minister of Finance who has reviewed it.

Mr. Speaker, the knock on this government is that decisions are being made behind closed doors. Mr. Speaker, the government has to get out and talk to the people of the NWT and be transparent in its dealings. The focus group is one way of accomplishing this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Iqaluit Focus Group On Deficit Reduction Strategies

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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The Business Incentive Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the last few months since we were elected to this Assembly, the subject of the business incentive policy has been discussed. Many questions have been raised and many opinions expressed. The policy was designed to give northern businesses a fair chance to receive government contracts by recognizing the higher cost of doing business in the North. In many ways, the policy has done just that, to the point now where a large percentage of government contracts for the purchase of goods and services go to northern firms.

The business sector in the North has developed to the point where it is indicated that, from a random sample of 87 purchases made between April 1993 and February 1994 almost half of all purchases were less expensive in the Northwest Territories than they would have been in the South. On the average, a premium of 5.67 per cent was paid on northern purchases.

Northern businesses work on very tight margins, even with the policy's preference figures. The 15 or 20 per cent is a cushion or insurance to ensure that northern businesses with a higher cost of operating and overhead are at least on a level playing field with southern competitors. I believe that the present preference percentages of 15 to 20 per cent, which translates into a 5.67 per cent premium, is an acceptable cost of keeping our government dollars and the benefits of those dollars in the North.

It is the feeling of my constituents that the current policy should be retained and the money currently being spent on supposedly new-and-improved BIP should be channelled to address the issue of storefront operators. I will be tabling a petition on the subject later today in the House. Thank you.

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The Business Incentive Policy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Outdated NWT Legislation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement is with regard to several acts that are in place to date which I feel are outdated and which I am presently considering looking at. This is with regard to the Wildlife Act, especially in the

section dealing with penalties.

Our act is outdated, compared to other jurisdictions such as Yukon, Alberta and BC, especially with the large-scale developments that we see coming in the future with large impacts on wildlife, especially with regard to the diamond exploration, activity with regard to tourism and also in other areas. The area that especially concerns a lot of people is what we see in southern Canada: poaching, which has become a major concern especially with regard to trading of animal products to Asia.

At this time, I want to notify the House that I will be looking at amendments and be tabling them in this House.

I am also looking at another amendment with regard to updating the Bankruptcy Act in the Northwest Territories to bring it in line with what they presently have in Alberta, with regard to an exemption act which allows certain things to be exempt from bankruptcy. We do have a large population now in which we see a lot of people who do own their own homes and property. I see that there has to be something in line with what is in place, especially in jurisdictions such as Alberta. So I'm presently looking at that, also. With that, I would like to thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Outdated NWT Legislation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Settlement Of Outstanding Aboriginal Claims

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All Members of this House have just spent the last four months wrestling with the huge deficit this government is facing. As we tried to find ways to reduce our spending, it became clear that we need to reduce our dependence on the federal government and people's dependence on social support programs. We must develop any economic opportunities we can to provide more employment for territorial residents. Before our economy can grow, we need to stabilize our economic climate.

One area which is contributing to uncertainty is unresolved aboriginal issues. For instance, we still have a number of unresolved land claims. As long as there are large areas of the North without claims settlements, it will be difficult to

encourage investors to see the NWT as a stable place to spend their money. It is time for the federal government to get serious about settling outstanding claims with northern aboriginal groups. The aboriginal groups have been making proposals for years, but seem to be hitting all kinds of roadblocks. For instance, the Treaty 8 people have been trying to negotiate a land and economic benefits agreement based on their treaty for the past several years. There has been one delay after another by the federal government. If the federal government is not willing to establish the reserves the Treaty 8 group wants, the Minister should say so.

As we have all heard before and heard again last week at the Aboriginal Summit, aboriginal groups have different ideas about land claims and self-government. The federal government needs to respond to these positions so that all territorial residents can move forward, particularly in the Western Arctic. For example, the position of the Deh Cho people is clear and has been publicly stated for years: They want their own territory. Again, if the federal government cannot or will not support this position, the Minister needs to say so. He also needs to say what kinds of proposals the federal government will consider.

This is important not just to the Deh Cho people. The entire western constitutional process is being delayed while all of us wait for answers on the Deh Cho proposal.

The federal government has just announced what financial support it will provide for creating the two new territories. We need similar decisions from the federal government on land claims and self-government so we can get people working.

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Settlement Of Outstanding Aboriginal Claims

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Erasmus , your time is up. Mr. Erasmus .

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Settlement Of Outstanding Aboriginal Claims

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Settlement Of Outstanding Aboriginal Claims

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 135

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife North is seeking unanimous consent. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Erasmus .

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Settlement Of Outstanding Aboriginal Claims

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 135

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Removing the uncertainty isn't just good for the aboriginal groups, it will also be good for Yellowknifers, good for all people of the Territories and good for Canada. As federal funding shrinks, we need the tools to develop our own economy. Some of those tools we can't get unless the federal government gets serious at the table with the aboriginal people of the North.

We want to be more self-sufficient and we want to stabilize our economic climate. If the federal government is serious about supporting us, they will do their part as well. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 135

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Provision Of Air Safety Instruction In Inuktitut

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 136

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, these airlines making regular flights between Churchill, Arviat and Baker Lake, et cetera, rely on business generated, to a large extent, by Inuit consumers. Mr. Speaker, we should be able to assume that the airline staff would make a point of welcoming the passengers in their own language. It is even more critical, however, that all air safety instruction be delivered to passengers in their first language to ensure maximum clarity and subsequent safety precautions.

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Provision Of Air Safety Instruction In Inuktitut

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

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Provision Of Air Safety Instruction In Inuktitut

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 136

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, I have spoken to the flight attendants about this matter in an attempt to have it corrected. I have been told that it is out of their hands and that the decision has come from headquarters. Mr. Speaker, I'm not referring to the fact that the flight attendants do not speak Inuktitut, I'm referring to the fact that at this time they do not even use the pre-taped recording.

Mr. Speaker, I would appreciate it if the honourable Minister of Transportation would review this matter and report back to this Chamber regarding his anticipated assistance to all Inuktitut-speaking residents of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Matna, mahsi cho.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 136

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements, Mr. Ootes .

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Concerns Expressed At Yellowknife South Constituency Meeting

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 136

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good afternoon, Members. I held a constituency meeting earlier this week and I'm taking this opportunity to tell Members what my constituents told me; what seems to be uppermost in their minds.

Those at my meeting were a cross-section of business people, retired people, government employees and employees of various organizations. I received some very disturbing feedback on how the actions and developments of this government are perceived by the general public and by

the members of the public service. What my constituents said was that over the short life of this government, the public and public servants have experienced many monumental changes; changes they are insecure about.

Many of my constituents are public servants of this government. What I was told and what I have also heard on the street on many occasions is disturbing. I have been told, - morale amongst the public service is extremely low. " There seems to be various causes for this: the proposed reductions in the overall remuneration package; layoffs; but disturbingly in one case that I personally know of, and there may be others, an abrupt lay-off with little rational explanation. For others, there remains the ongoing concern over statements that there will be more lay-offs, yet there is no explanation of when this may happen.

Our employees are caught in a very unsettling environment. My constituents tell me that they see programs being implemented such as community empowerment, yet there has been no release of a detailed plan of action for all this, no information on how success will be measured.

Another concern is the manner in which occupational health and safety has been transferred from the Department of Safety and Public Services to the Workers' Compensation Board without public consultation. The public perception is that this changing of programs without public input is pervasive.

My constituents are raising questions about the constitutional process. They see and hear about the aspirations of aboriginal groups and their desires for self-government. I would like to state...

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ootes , your time is up.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Yellowknife Centre is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Ootes ,

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Concerns Expressed At Yellowknife South Constituency Meeting

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 136

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to state that 1, like many other non-aboriginal people, are supportive of many of those aspirations of the aboriginal people. However, my constituents hear statements that Cabinet is developing protocol agreements with aboriginal leaders, yet no information is provided to the public as to what these protocol agreements mean.

What my non-aboriginal constituents are concerned about is how can they participate in this process to the same degree. The list of concerns by my constituents is longer. They are concerned about division, the security of their jobs, the financial impact on our community, etcetera.

In conclusion, let me tell you about the closing remark at my constituency meeting by one of my constituents. It was a public servant of this government, a person I have a lot of respect for and whom I appreciated coming to my meeting. He and I have philosophical differences on the approach to governing, but I will always protect his right and his privilege to state his point of view and protect his right to tell me that. He said to me, always remain what you are; the independent elected person. Thank you.

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Page 137

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Appreciation Of Community Volunteers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 137

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During our break, it was nice to return home to Inuvik and spend time with family and friends, and take

part in activities held within the community. Mr. Speaker, over the last few months, we have discussed just about everything this government does or is involved in that revolves around funding. Mr. Speaker, there are many people who go beyond the call of duty. They involve themselves in activities for the young and old alike. For example, Mr. Speaker, they help in jamborees, carnivals, Boy Scouts, Girl Guides, coaching and community clean-ups. They are common in every community; even in times of fiscal restraint, they continue with their activities.

Mr. Speaker, they make our communities that much better to live in. For their actions, they might receive a pin or a certificate or sometimes a passing word in a speech. Mr. Speaker, honourable Members, would you join me in showing appreciation for their commitment to the people of the communities of the Northwest Territories? Mr. Speaker, to the volunteers.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

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Appreciation Of Community Volunteers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 137

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Return To Question 62-13(3): Status Of Communities Qualifying For Settlement Allowance

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 137

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Erasmus on March 26th, as it relates to the status of communities qualifying for settlement allowance. I have a very clinical response, unfortunately. This matter is the subject of a grievance that has been referred to arbitration. Therefore, it is inappropriate to discuss this matter in the Legislative Assembly. Thank you.

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Return To Question 62-13(3): Status Of Communities Qualifying For Settlement Allowance

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 137

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 137

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I want to personally recognize and thank Roxanne Tucker for coming up here today to sing and introduce her as yet another talented person from Hay River. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 137

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 137

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I would like to recognize Ms. Hilary Jones, the executive director of the NWT Tourism Training Group.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 137

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Morin .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 137

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize our good friend, Mr. Bill Erasmus, Grand Chief of the Dene Nation.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 137

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I recognize two people from I don't know where, but welcome to the Assembly.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 137

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Question 104-13(3): Review Of Funding Proposal For Nunavut Infrastructure

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 137

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

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Question 104-13(3): Review Of Funding Proposal For Nunavut Infrastructure

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 137

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 104-13(3): Review Of Funding Proposal For Nunavut Infrastructure

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 137

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

... the last 24 hours to look at the numbers. I see that the federal government has set aside about $30 million of the $150 million to set up their own operations in Nunavut. That means we will only have $120 million to work with. I am also concerned that it looks like some of the decisions the Department of Indian and Northern Affairs and the federal government have taken will result in more money being used up for administration and less on delivering results. If that amount of money is already being cut, that does not seem to be a wise thing to do.

In my view, Mr. Speaker, to answer the Member's question, we need a few more days to look at the issue in a calm manner and put our energy into getting some clarification of what it all means. I also think that we, as Members of the House, as elected Members, have to be prepared to be leaders and we cannot be content with just taking scraps off the table and trying to build only half the dream that Nunavut is. Thank you.

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Question 104-13(3): Review Of Funding Proposal For Nunavut Infrastructure

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before my question, I would like to say hello to my brother-in-law, John Joanas in Clyde River.

--- Applause

Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Public Works . As the Minister knows, the Nunavut Implementation Commission has recommended a decentralized form of government for Nunavut, where new jobs would be spread around the larger communities, like Pangnirtung in the Baffin region, and not just confined to the regional centres. Does the Government of the Northwest Territories stand by the decentralized approach recommended by the NIC for spreading jobs and benefits as widely as possible around Nunavut?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Public Works , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I believe the reason the plebiscite on Nunavut was approved and also the fact that the capital of Nunavut was chosen was because of the decentralized model, that government jobs and government services would be out in the communities. Yes, the GNWT is committed to that, but the problem may be with the funding.

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Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell me whether the funding plan recently approved by the federal Cabinet and announced yesterday by Minister Irwin is based on a decentralized model for Nunavut government?

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Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Further Return To Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I am told that one of the assumptions used by the federal government was that it was a decentralized model. Again, it is a contention that the costs they put in were much less than what is actually needed.

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Further Return To Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Supplementary To Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell me whether the $150 million announced by Mr. Irwin includes sufficient money to build necessary houses and offices required for Nunavut public servants in communities like Pangnirtung, Cape Dorset, Igloolik and Pond Inlet in the Baffin region?

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Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Further Return To Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, it has just been 24 hours since we received the decision by the federal government so we are still examining the issue. I don't know the answer to that question. As I said, the numbers that were announced by the Minister yesterday are modest.

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Question 105-13(3): GNWT Support For Nic Recommendation Re Decentralization

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 106-13(3): Privatization Of Trail Cross

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services regarding the proposed plan to privatize Trail Cross in Fort Smith. Could the Minister confirm if the department is still proceeding with the initiative to privatize Trail Cross?

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Question 106-13(3): Privatization Of Trail Cross

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 138

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Page 138

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as it stands now, yes, the department is proceeding to look at privatizing Trail Cross. There have been some discussions with the employees by departmental personnel to advise them of the situation. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister advise the House whether as the request for proposals is drafted up, will the employees currently employed by Trail Cross be given the right of first refusal for

the jobs that will be put out under the new contract? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can't definitely say that they would be given first right of refusal for any proposal that would come forward. Firstly, I would have to say that the employees themselves, if they were interested in combining their resources to put together a proposal to submit to the department, will be given serious consideration along with all others; particularly given the fact that they would be the ones who would be affected. At this time, I can't say that they would be given first right of refusal. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister indicate to the House if the employees could realize a savings some other way other than privatizing, would the Minister be prepared to consider that option? Thank you

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, provided the services could be provided in an effective manner and there were substantial savings that we have identified as being required to meet our targets under that initiative, I would think it would be given due consideration. Thank you.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister elaborate? I'm not sure whether " du e' consideration is the same as "serious" consideration. Is it that you'll just sort of look at it and fire it away, or that it will be given serious and realistic consideration? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker, when I said that I meant that it would be given serious consideration. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 107-13(3): Status Of New Business Incentive Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 139

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Public Works and Services relating to the business incentive policy. There has been a review under way for several months and there was going to be a presentation made to Cabinet during this last break on what the results of the consultant's findings were. I would like to know what the current status is of the proposed new business incentive policy.

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Samuel Gargan

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, responsibility for the business incentive policy has been transferred to the Department of Economic Development and Tourism, so I would like to pass that question over to the Premier .

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Samuel Gargan

I'm sorry. Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'll field this question today because the Minister responsible, the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , is not here. We have not been briefed in Cabinet on the business incentive policy. I know it has gone out to consultation. I also know there are many concerns raised about the business incentive policy, not only by the private sector but also by elected leaders in communities as well as Members of this Legislative Assembly. So we will take all those concerns into consideration when we do look at that policy. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 108-13(3): GNWT Role In Construction Of Nunavut Infrastructure

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 139

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Public Works . Mr. Speaker, I believe it has been the position of the Government of the NWT that the money set aside for infrastructure required for the Nunavut government should be managed by the GNWT, which is directly accountable to the people of the Northwest Territories for employment and other northern benefits. Is it the position of the GNWT that the government should have a major role in the construction of the offices and buildings required for Nunavut?

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Samuel Gargan

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, that has been the position of the GNWT from the beginning. We have said all

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is unclear from the announcement of the Honourable Ron Irwin yesterday, whether the GNWT will have the responsibility for major construction of infrastructure for Nunavut. What will the Minister be doing to ensure that the federal government knows that our government is ready and willing to take on the responsibility for the Nunavut infrastructure?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, as I mentioned earlier, the way it looks is that the GNWT will have a limited role in infrastructure and construction management. However, we will be making our case to the Minister as soon as possible, by letter and also through a meeting with the Minster on May 10th in Arviat. I will keep the Members informed.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 109-13(3): Funding For Tourism Training Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 140

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier regarding economic development and tourism. The NWT tourism training group has been in place for four years, which was established by the NWT Tourism Association to take

part in developing training packages for training the tourism industry with regard to guiding, a host of programs and also programs which are presently developed through Arctic College. In 1995, there was a proposal submitted to the Department of Economic Development and Tourism for $285,000, in which the department basically submitted a letter back in April 1996 stating that they will only allow $175,000 which was broken down with 40 per cent going to the eastern tourism association and 60 per cent to the West.

Yet this government states that one of this priorities is training and also looking at generating jobs. One of the fastest-growing industries in the North to date is tourism, yet it boggles my mind -- especially in the Department of Economic Development and Tourism, which is a department that has high O and M costs to operate and administer that program -- that the first thing them seem to cut is in the area of training which will benefit the people of the North, especially in one of the industries that we can

greatly appreciate and benefit from. Is the Minister aware of this and is this the intention of the government when it looks at programs; to cut where it's most needed?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not aware of this issue so I will have to take that question as notice on behalf of the Minister. The Minister will get back to the Member shortly. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 110-13(3): Impact Of Wage Reductions On Social Assistance

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 140

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of income support. Mr. Speaker, it has recently come to my attention that some of our employees, because of the recent wage cuts, have had to apply for income support from social assistance. Is the Minister aware of this development?

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I am not aware of any individual circumstances where an employee, as a result of any cuts of this government -- which I don't think have taken place yet, except at the management level -- have had to approach income support for assistance.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I am quite aware that the cuts have taken place with the management. That's what I'm talking about. I'm talking about a specific case that was on the radio yesterday, broadcast territorially. I have a letter right now with me where a person who is making $53,000 a year and now, because of the wage cuts and reductions to benefits -- that person was actually in a staff house -has to get social assistance for food for $418 a month or an amount close to that; so, that's their case.

If the Minister isn't aware of this case, my question then to the Minister would be will he direct his department to actually look into the potential and actual number of employees who are and will be applying for regional income support from Social Services because of said wage reductions. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, any resident of the Northwest Territories is entitled

to come to the income support offices and demonstrate that their needs are beyond their fiscal abilities at any given point in time. Will the department spend time looking at a hypothetical situation? At this point in time, Mr. Speaker, I would have to say no. The door is always open to any resident of the Northwest Territories if they can demonstrate the need for us to provide the service to them.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, the need is not hypothetical. It has been demonstrated. Will the Minister direct his department to find out exactly ... Because of the wage reductions, we know what they're going to be, we know what the rollbacks are. Can the Minister inform this House, inform his department, will the department look at the potential of the people who will now have to go on to social assistance to get income support because of these cutbacks? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the question is indeed hypothetical because I am unaware of any situations. If there has been something reported in the media, it's not before this House. I have no knowledge of it. I would also like to point out that an individual is always involved in these situations, so it would be impossible for the department to make assumptions about how each individual in the NWT is prepared to deal with any given situation. It would be impossible to come up with a blanket statement that so many people would be affected and have to approach the income support plan because we don't know whether families are in a position to need that kind of support.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will endeavour to supply the information to the Minister after the sitting. My final question concerning this: Has the department of income support been approached? Does the Minister know of his officials? Has he talked to his officials in the regions and whether they have been approached for income support? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I am unaware of any specific approaches by individuals. It wouldn't normally be the Minister's involvement in the operations of the

department to know the names of individuals who have approached the department for income support. The policies of the department are set up so that a person in need will be provided with assistance. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 111- 13(3): Personal Care Facilities For Seniors

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 141

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services and it's in relation to personal care facilities for seniors. I have had several calls from concerned seniors that the rent at the Aven senior citizens' home is going up to $712 a month. It had always been my impression that people would be able to maintain a minimum of $200 a month from their pensions. Can the Minister verify whether this is true or not? Will seniors be able to maintain a minimum of $200 from their pension funds while living in these personal care facilities?

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, the intent is the individuals at the personal care facilities will be able to retain a disposable income of approximately $200 a month. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister make this public knowledge somehow so that we can ease the minds of the senior citizens out there who may feel they may not be able to live in these personal care facilities?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The departmental staff have advised the operators of the personal care facilities. However, if there is further clarification required, I will direct the departmental official to undertake that. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 112-13(3): Construction Of Gjoa Haven Health Centre

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 141

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. My question is directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, the previous government made a commitment to help build a health centre in Gjoa Haven. The people of Gjoa Haven were under the impression that a new

health centre was going to be built in 1994-95. This is 1995-96. The health centre has not been built in the community. There are a number of reasons why the community wishes to acquire a new health centre in Gjoa Haven: the population is over 900; there aren't enough examining rooms in the present health centre; the structure is very old; and, there is an aging population in the community. Finally, Mr. Speaker, we need to improve the health of the people of Gjoa Haven to an acceptable level. Will the honourable Minister honour the previous commitment of the government to build a new health centre in Gjoa Haven? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will have to check into the prior commitments of the last government, particularly the Health and Social Services Minister and see what commitments were actually made. I can tell the honourable Member that we are aware of the situation in Gjoa Haven. Unfortunately, last fall when there was a preliminary technical assessment done by Public Works and Services, they had recommended that a renovation could take place. Because of that, the Department of Health and Social Services downscaled our financial forecast for that project.

As it stands now, there was a more detailed assessment undertaken as of March. We just got the report from the Department of Public Works and Services on that. It is now recommending a new facility. Of course, a new facility is a significantly higher financial demand than a renovation. We are going to have to deal with that issue in the immediate future. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The renovation of the existing building in the past has proven to be very expensive in the end. The people of Gjoa Haven have been requesting the new centre to be built in that community. Will the honourable Minister seriously look at the possibility of building a new health centre instead of renovating the old one? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated to the honourable Member, I am aware of the concern and the issue within his riding. I will commit to working with the Member and the community to try to reach a satisfactory solution to the problem. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 113-13(3): Update On GNWT/unw Negotiations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 142

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Finance . We have heard recently that the UNW has gone for ratification. The government has entered into another set of negotiations with the NWTTA. Can he inform us of what has taken place up until now?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the UNW will be sending out their notice to the Members about the arrangements they are going to vote on. Hopefully, we will get a response in the next five or six weeks.

On the NWTTA, we were in discussions with them with respect to their agreement. My understanding is discussions will be resuming later on, in two weeks' time. At that time, hopefully, we will be able to reach a satisfactory agreement so that we can move forward in asking the teachers to ratify whatever bargaining takes place and whatever agreements are reached. So discussions are going to be under way in two weeks.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 114-13(3): Status Of Funding To Cooperatives For Credit Unions

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 142

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance . Recently, the GNWT has withdrawn their commitment of $400,000 to the Arctic co-ops to assist them in setting up credit unions. Mr. Speaker, this money had to be reallocated because of the sunset clause in the EDA agreement. Has the Minister of Finance identified another source of funds to continue this commitment?

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that question should be addressed to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . That is where the original funding was coming from under the EDA. I would be unable, at this time, to respond to my colleague in any detailed way. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. O'Brien , do you want to redirect the question?

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, is it appropriate to redirect the question to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism ?

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Page 142

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister is not in the House. Would the Premier like to respond to the question?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 142

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take that question as notice and pass it on to the Minister. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 115-13(3): Status Of NWT Correctional

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 142

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Facilities

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Question 115-13(3): Status Of NWT Correctional

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 143

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice . Could the Minister of Justice give the House an idea of what is happening with regard to the correctional facilities in terms of development or possible closures, if any? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Justice , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to close them all, if we could, but I guess that isn't a possibility. Given the circumstances of the overcrowding in our correctional institutes and the need for the facilities that we currently operate, there are no definite plans to close any of the facilities in this current fiscal year. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 116-13(3): GNWT Criteria For Sole-source Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 143

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct this question to the Premier . One of this government's principles when issuing contracts is that the contract opportunities should contribute to the goal of creating and maintaining self-sustaining business enterprises. Opportunities for northern residents to benefit from public dollars spent in the North should be maximized. I understand that sole-source contracts are awarded where the government's requirement is considered to be urgent or where only one party could possibly meet the demands of the contractor.

The onus is on the government to prove that the above criteria are met when spending public money on sole-source contracts. Can the Premier explain how this government's sole-source contract policy embraces this principle? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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