Debates of Oct. 27th, 1994

This is page numbers 549 - 580 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was housing .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Appointment Of Ms. Mary Simon As Canada's First Circumpolar Ambassador

Transfer Of Sir John Franklin High School

Environmental Review Process

Round-table On Economy And Environment

Contamination Of Coppermine's Fresh Water Supply

Future Location Of The Capital Of Nunavut

Allocation Of Social Assistance

Dangers Of Thin Ice

Upgrading Road In Sanikiluaq

Metis Voice Report Card

Telecommunications In Small Communities

Sexual Assault And Child Sexual Abuse

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Problems With Coppermine's Water Supply

Notification Of Awg 1998 Site Selection

Agreement Re Sir John Franklin Transfer

Telecommunication Services For Unserviced Communities

Innovative Fund Raising For Stanton Hospital

Awg Selection Committee's Knowledge Of Inuvik Infrastructure

Rental Arrears Owed To Housing Associations

Assistance In Preparation Of Income Tax Returns

Maca's Involvement In Capital's Site Plan

Difficulties Cashing Social Assistance Cheques In Natilikmiot

Status Of Informatics Strategy

Cost Of Living Survey

Policy For Walk-in Freezers

Written Question 22-12(6): Arrears Owed To The NWT Housing Corporation

Written Question 23-12(6): Community Public Health Nurses

Written Question 24-12(6): Provision Of Uhf Radios And Gps To Communities

Written Question 25-12(6): Sexual Assault And Child Sexual Abuse

Committee Report 13-12(6): Report On The Elimination Of The Alcohol And Drug Board Of Management

Committee Report 14-12(6): Advisory Committee On Social Housing Report On Taloyoak Meetings, September 23 - 25, 1994

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Bill 16:

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2

Bill 21:

An Act To Amend The Fair Practices Act

Bill 19: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1994-95, Withdrawn

Bill 20:

An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 1, 1995-96Committee Report 10-12(6): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Capital Estimates

To Adopt Recommendation 9

To Adopt Recommendation 10

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Return To Written Question 2-12(6): Elders' Residences Operated By The GNWT

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ng , Mr. Ningark , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 42-12(6): Appointment Of Ms. Mary Simon As Canada's First Circumpolar Ambassador

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, I am pleased to rise today to congratulate Ms. Mary Simon on the occasion of her appointment as Canada's first circumpolar ambassador. The announcement was made jointly by the federal Foreign Affairs Minister, Andre Ouellette, and the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development, Ron Irwin, late last week. Dr. Simon, who is the first Inuit to hold an ambassadorial position in Canada, will assume this position on October 31, 1994, on Monday.

Ms. Simon is known for her dedication, her impressive list of accomplishments and for creating awareness about and generating action about northern issues, particularly as they relate to the concerns of northern aboriginal peoples. Ms. Simon was born in northern Quebec and worked for CBC Northern Service until 1973, including responsibilities as a producer and announcer for Inuktitut radio and television.

She has held a number of positions with the Inuit Tapirisat of Canada and has been a member of the board since 1991. In 1979, Dr. Simon served as first vice-president of the Makavik Corporation and was elected president in 1982. From 1980 to 1983 she was an executive council member of the Inuit circumpolar conference and served as its president from 1986 to 1992. Since then, she has been the special envoy to the Inuit circumpolar conference, dealing with many important issues such as fur harvesting.

In 1992, she was awarded an honorary doctorate from McGill University and was appointed a year later as co-director of policy and commission secretary for the Royal Commission on Aboriginal Peoples. In 1994, she was appointed as a member of the Nunavut implementation commission.

Mary Simon has been honoured for her work through appointments to the Order of Canada, the National Order of Quebec and the Gold Order of Greenland. Circumpolar ambassador, Dr. Simon will report to the Minister of Foreign Affairs and the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development.

As well as representing Canada at international meetings on circumpolar issues, she will coordinate federal efforts on circumpolar issues, including the implementation of a Canadian proposal to create an Arctic council, a fulfilment of Canada's policy with respect to Antarctica and Canada's participation in the eight-nation Arctic environmental protection strategy. The next ministerial conference on the Arctic environmental protection strategy is scheduled for the spring of 1996, and it is to be hosted by Canada in Iqaluit.

Madam Speaker, I've had the pleasure of working with Mary Simon in the past on a number of issues of importance to the north. Her keen interest in addressing and motivating action in critical areas such as the environment and political development has provided a strong voice for northern people. Her appointment as Canada's first circumpolar ambassador will continue to provide an effective role in international recognition for northerners in areas within her mandate.

I'm particularly pleased that the federal government has not only acknowledged the significant contribution of Mary Simon to the advancement of circumpolar and aboriginal issues, but Ottawa has also recognized that a northern aboriginal person can most effectively represent Canada's as its first circumpolar ambassador.

The Premier and I both have written to Ms. Simon on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories to congratulate her on her appointment. Dr. Simon has been invited to meet with the Government of the Northwest Territories and Members of this Assembly at her earliest convenience to review northern matters related to her mandate and to determine how we can provide assistance and support for her important work. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 42-12(6): Appointment Of Ms. Mary Simon As Canada's First Circumpolar Ambassador

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Transfer Of Sir John Franklin High School

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, on June 30th of this year, the government dissolved the board of secondary education here in Yellowknife. This opened the way for the long-awaited transfer of responsibility for Sir John Franklin High School to the Yellowknife Education District No. 1. Naturally, district No. 1 considers the management of Sir John to be a great responsibility. Not only is the district taking

over responsibility for an important part of our public education system, it is also taking over a large, aging school building.

Madam Speaker, the district is understandably concerned about this responsibility. They are understandably anxious to avoid adding to the property tax burden of Yellowknife ratepayers, who already pay more than their fair share of education taxes.

The district has tried to address these concerns by drafting a memorandum of agreement between the district and the government. The chair of the district board, Wendy Bisaro, sent this memorandum to the Minister of Education on August 17th for his signature. The Minister responded in September by saying he had difficulty with signing the agreement. The Minister's letter went on to describe the issues outstanding and the government's position on those issues, which appeared the same as what was set out in the memorandum of agreement of August 17th.

Madam Speaker, Yellowknife Education District No. 1 is concerned about the Sir John transfer. Taxes collected from Yellowknife ratepayers are already far higher than those collected elsewhere in the Northwest Territories compared to the total funding of local schools. The average Yellowknife home owner pays four to seven times as much education tax as does the average NWT home owner outside of Yellowknife. The percentage of total school funding, paid by education property taxes, is 10 times higher in Yellowknife than the rest of the NWT on average.

Madam Speaker, for instance, an average three-bedroom house in Rankin Inlet -- say the type that an MLA might live in -- will be assessed in 1994 annual school taxes of $118.14. A similar house in Cambridge Bay would be assessed at $116.55. In Iqaluit, the owner of such a house will pay $189.62 this year. Madam Speaker, I am about to run out of time, so I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Transfer Of Sir John Franklin High School

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Dent .

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Transfer Of Sir John Franklin High School

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thank you, honourable Members. As I was saying, a home owner in Fort Smith or Hay River will pay approximately $225 in school taxes. In Inuvik, a home owner will pay the comparatively high amount of about $250. However, Madam Speaker, in Yellowknife, the owner of a similar home would pay a whopping $878.88.

Madam Speaker, given these comparisons, it is no wonder that Yellowknife Education District No. 1 is concerned that without a firm agreement with the Minister of Education , residents of Yellowknife might have to pay even higher taxes to cover the cost of operating and maintaining Sir John. This is especially important given the extensive and expensive renovations planned for the school over the next few years.

Madam Speaker, I hope that the Minister of Education will consider this issue carefully. Not only must he provide a way of reassuring Yellowknife Education District No. 1 that they will not be left holding the bag for Sir John, but they must also consider the issue of equitable school taxes in Yellowknife and the rest of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Transfer Of Sir John Franklin High School

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Environmental Review Process

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, as Members may be aware, the federal government is presently conducting an environmental review into the impact of low-level flights in the Goose Bay/Labrador area. Apparently, a leading anthropologist from the Arctic Institute of North America, Ms. Carol Brice-Bennett was commissioned to study the potential impact of these flights and present them to the review panel at the public hearings.

It is my understanding that during her presentation, she was attempting to comment on the review process itself, the nature of the panel and the scope of the issues being addressed in order to put her findings into context. Again, as I understand it, the chair of the panel didn't allow Ms. Brice-Bennett to continue in this manner and, in effect, ruled that her presentation would not be heard.

This disturbed me greatly, Madam Speaker. As we all know, the north has been the centre of such environmental reviews in the past and will be again in the near future. In fact, a similar occurrence was experienced not long ago during the scoping hearings in Sanikiluaq for the Great Whale hydro project. Apparently, the chair of the federal panel cut the meeting short because of bad weather approaching and they did not want to get weathered in. At that point, a number of residents had still not had the opportunity to make a presentation to the panel. They were advised to submit their views to the panel in writing.

This is unfortunate, Madam Speaker, because as Members know, the way we do business and address our concerns in the north is face to face, in person. This is especially true of our elders who do not have the formal education to express themselves in writing. Needless to say, those written submissions, if they were sent, could not have had the same impact or been given the same consideration as oral presentations.

There is another concern that I have, Madam Speaker. This has to do with the environmental assessment and the review process itself. It concerns me that the process seems to be set up so that it allows the federal environmental assessment review...

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Environmental Review Process

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Gargan , your time is up. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Environmental Review Process

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Gargan .

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Environmental Review Process

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker, and honourable Members. ...the federal environmental assessment review

office, FEARO, to establish a panel and conduct public hearings into the initiative of other federal agencies or departments. I am not saying there is anything wrong going on. But appearances are important. As we believe in this House, justice must not only be done, it must be seen to be done.

This concerns me for another reason, Madam Speaker. In the Northwest Territories, we have not established our own environmental assessment and review process. As it stands, we fall under the federal process. We, in the north, are very aware of and concerned with the environmental impact of development projects. When the time comes, it won't be long now, we will want our voices to be heard when decisions about our future and the future of our land are to be made. We want to be in possession of all the facts, including the opinions of experts.

We do not want rules of process or procedures to interfere with our ability to make informed decisions. We do not want what happened to Ms. Brice-Bennett or the unfortunate people of Sanikiluaq to happen here.

Therefore, Madam Speaker, I submit that it is time for all governments, particularly the federal government, to take a long close look at the entire process to ensure it is as effective as possible, as independent as possible and as fair as possible. They are called "public hearings," Madam Speaker, so let the public be heard. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Round-table On Economy And Environment

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. During the 11th Assembly, we established a Special Committee on Northern Economy. This work really was to provide some kind of long-range idea about the way we should go as a jurisdiction. It was adopted by our Assembly.

One of the recommendations was that we establish a round-table on the economy and the environment. That was chopped after a short time because it was seen to be redundant, but a lot of thought had gone into the way we were going as a territory. It was felt by our committee and Members at that time that if we were going to develop in the west -- especially in the west -- then it was very important that we didn't put ourselves in the position that we have to react and take on fights with all the groups of people who are attracted to this part of the world and there is a battle which suddenly they can engage in; raise lots of money to protect this and that.

I would urge the government to really look at some kind of forum, whereby all the stakeholders could meet -- and it doesn't have to be expensive, it doesn't have to meet every week -- maybe once or twice a year to exchange information so that northern people can set the ground rules about the way we're going to develop. That was the point of the round-table. I'm sorry, in their haste to look at things that could be chopped out because they didn't have an immediate impact, the government reconsidered the need for this kind of forum right now.

Simply because I believe we are on the verge of major developments in the west and I don't believe we should allow people outside of this jurisdiction, and outside of Canada, in many cases, to dictate to us how we go. Thank you.

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Round-table On Economy And Environment

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Contamination Of Coppermine's Fresh Water Supply

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, similar to a majority of other communities with trucked water service, Coppermine's fresh water is drawn from a fresh water source -- in their case, near the mouth of the Coppermine River -- into a water treatment centre and stored until water trucks receive the water and deliver it to households and businesses throughout the community.

Over the past several years, the contamination of the fresh water supply has taken place as a result of silt and sediment infiltration and salt water intrusion. The reasons for the contamination have been attributed to faulty salt water detection monitoring equipment, low water levels in the Coppermine River, high tides, strong northerly winds, clogged intake line filters and various other reasons. The obvious reason for the annual contamination problem is poor location of the water intake treatment facility.

Madam Speaker, this year has been the worst ever, to the recollection of Coppermine residents, for salt water contamination. The community has endured salt water contamination regularly since early August. The hamlet council and I have addressed this issue to the government, only to be reassured that alternative water resupply avenues were established through a contingency plan to be used during extended periods of salt water intrusion, to ensure that the community has access to potable water at all times.

Madam Speaker, the contingency plan is not working. Over the last two full days the community residents of Coppermine have gone without water deliver as, once again, the high tides and low water levels have shut down the fresh water system in Coppermine. At 9:00 am this morning the water supply system was reactivated and, once again, there was fresh water available at the intake source. However, this may only be a temporary occurrence as tides and wind conditions may once again lead to the closure of the water supply system, if not today, in the immediate future.

In recognizing the water supply problem, MACA in previous years, had scheduled major water supply improvements to the community of Coppermine for 1995-96. However, in this year's capital estimates, the water supply improvements have been pushed back to 1996-97.

Madam Speaker, my time is up. I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Contamination Of Coppermine's Fresh Water Supply

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Ng .

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Contamination Of Coppermine's Fresh Water Supply

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker, honourable colleagues. Madam Speaker, fresh water is a basic necessity for survival. It is a priority for all people. I find it totally unacceptable that the people of Coppermine had to deal with not having the availability of fresh water on a regular, year-round basis. Our government supplies and maintains the water treatment infrastructure. They have been unsuccessful in addressing the issue of ensuring fresh water is available to the hamlet for delivery to the community. It is obvious to me that the water supply intake source must be relocated.

Madam Speaker, this issue is of critical importance to the people of Coppermine. I will continue to pursue this matter in asking the government to reinstate the funding for next year's construction and to ensure there is a constant, dependable fresh water supply to the residents of Coppermine.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for High Arctic , Mr. Pudluk .

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Future Location Of The Capital Of Nunavut

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today I would like to express my concern about the Nunavut government. I know they are discussing the location of the capital of the Nunavut government today. I know there is going to be a great deal of debate and lobbying. It was a difficult battle to divide the north and settle the boundary. We had to work very hard at it for many years. Today, our people in Nunavut believe and know that Nunavut is going to become a reality.

They are happy that future generations will have a place to call their own and a government that is closer to their communities than Yellowknife. Many people have expressed the concern many times about having the headquarters in Yellowknife, which is too far away.

We began discussing the division of the north in the late 1970s and we had a plebiscite in 1982 to settle this question. The majority voted for division. Since then, we started discussing the boundary issue; where the dividing line is going to be. After ten years of discussion, we had a plebiscite to settle the question of the boundary. The majority voted in favour of the proposed boundary. Up to today, northerners have made their own decisions about how Nunavut is going to be.

Madam Speaker, I would like to tell the leaders of Nunavut not to worry so much about where the capital is going to be. We know it is going to somewhere in Nunavut. The exact location or the formation of the government is not really an issue any more. There is no real need for debate any more. We can just settle through negotiations. And 1999 is getting closer. We will have to put our House in order so that Nunavut will have a firm basis to start from. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Allocation Of Social Assistance

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I stand today to talk about social assistance recipients. They are in need. I realize they always go through a hard time. They are worried about their children, their families and their households. This summer, I met with the hamlet council in Pelly Bay regarding this issue and I was asked to bring up the issue of social assistance to the Minister.

A lot of times, a large household will receive the same amount as a household that is smaller. As Members of the Legislative Assembly, we have to work for the people in our communities. We have to treat our constituents the same and we have to support them. It is not good to ignore this situation. I will be bringing this up during question period. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Dangers Of Thin Ice

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, this past week, we were all saddened to hear of the accidental death of a respected elder and experienced hunter in the Kitikmeot, one of Mr. Ng 's constituents, after his snow machine went through the ice on a fishing trip.

Last year in early winter, we here in Yellowknife, too, lost two young people to a similar type of accident on Yellowknife Bay when the snowmobile and toboggan that they were using to cross the lake fell through thin ice. It was only about half a mile or three-quarters of a mile from their homes in Dettah. A couple of winters ago, you will recall, sadly, that two experienced hunters from Lutsel K'e perished on the natural lake when their snow machine went through thin ice as well.

Each year in winter many sport hunters, fishermen and snowmobilers get anxious, as winter moves south, to get out and enjoy the beautiful winters that we have here. And almost each year for the past decade, we've lost someone. These events have ended tragically. In most cases, these accidents happen away from where help can immediately be found. Hypothermia is usually followed by drowning. If they manage to get out of the water, there is no guarantee that they're going to be safe because of the cold, and that can also result in death.

Some of these events can be prevented, they're not all totally accidents. If people just use caution, and certainly if they exercise patience. People must wait until the ice is formed solid enough on the lakes before they can...Certainly, on the bigger lakes where there are currents and the water stays warmer for a longer period of time because of the size, and the ice doesn't form.

I would also like to caution parents here in Yellowknife that they should explain to the children that Frame Lake, out here on our doorstep, will not be safe for quite some time, given the warm weather we've had. If you recall, the ice has formed almost solidly across the lake at least twice in the last two weeks. In a couple of day's time, the ice had gone completely and we had open water. And this is going to continue, according to the weatherman, for some period of time. So I would ask parents to make sure that their kids exercise...

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. May I seek unanimous consent to conclude?

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The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed, Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker, and colleagues. You will recall that in the last two weeks, Frame Lake has frozen over completely from shore to shore at least twice. And a couple of days after, it had melted completely and we now have open water.

I would like to ask parents to make sure that they explain to their children that although there's ice on that lake, although they can throw rocks on it and the ice won't break, it's still not safe to walk on. If they ever fall through, it's very unlikely that they'll have a chance to be pulled out of there in time to save their lives. So, with that, I say think safe, wait and live to enjoy the winter. Thanks very much.

---Applause

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Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Upgrading Road In Sanikiluaq

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise to express my concern in Sanikiluaq with regard to the road that takes the local people to the fishing spot. This road is not in very good condition; it has to be upgraded. It's the preferred road to be travelled, rather than going through the water they prefer to go through this road by three-wheel Honda or four-wheel Honda. I don't think it would be very much work to upgrade this road, and we would like to get support for upgrading this road. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, following the tabling of the Metis Voice, yesterday, I wanted to rise to comment on the report that is contained within...

---Applause

...the Metis Voice. I got a B- in the report card...

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

...and I want to thank whoever wrote the report card for the mark.

I want to take issue with the report card that says I hate Billy. I don't always agree with the national chief of the Dene Nation, but actually he's not such a bad character. He sent me a calendar the other day, for instance, and this is something new for 1994. "Hate" in any way is a strong word to use in anybody's relationship. My relationship with the national chief of the Dene Nation has been rather rocky at the best of times over the years, and I would be the last one to deny it. But whoever said that political leaders have to love one another?

What I do take exception to even more is this slimy, low-life report card that ridicules good leaders like us who are working hard and trying hard to deliver on our political commitments.

Take my good friend, Mr. Nerysoo , for instance. I don't always agree with him either, but surely he doesn't deserve to be called "Slicky Ricky."

---Laughter

I think he has worked hard in the last few years trying to deliver in the area of education, which is very difficult.

The report card also says and calls me "stone face." Now, I find that a bit amusing, even though I don't smile when talking about it. Some people tell me I was born like that. Some friends who are liberals ask me if it is true that it is a childhood affliction, but my kids and my wife tell me it's slowly going away.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Could I ask for consent to finish my statement, please?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue with his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed, Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Madam Speaker, when I was younger, I always thought that I smiled much too often and too frivolously. I thought, and I was totally convinced, that one should be very careful about how generous one becomes with such public displays of emotion. I'm always suspect as it is anyway, and when I begin smiling, people around me begin to enquire as to why the sudden change.

Madam Speaker, I will make a commitment that I will change, but I will have to try to phase it in. I want to tell you today of my new goal. No more stone face by 1999. Thank you.

---Laughter

---Applause

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Telecommunications In Small Communities

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I would like to talk about communications today. In this modern era today, we enjoy using telephones and cordless phones, and you can talk to anybody in any place in this world today, Madam Speaker. However, there are some of my constituents who are still in the dark ages in communication. These are the smaller communities that I have talked about before in the House. I would like to say again that these people have been in need of better telecommunications in the small communities of Jean Marie River, Nahanni Butte and Trout Lake.

They only have one telephone which is a pay phone and it is on the FM channel, so there is a public poster in the community that says if you use the telephone, don't talk about anything personal or medical because there might be someone in the community who has you tuned in and will listen to everything that goes on in your conversation. So even though they have a telephone, it isn't a very private way of communicating. So they have very limited use of the telephone and it is very inconvenient.

There are people in the communities who have requested to have phones in their own homes. However, that isn't possible with the technology that is available to them in the smaller communities. There are band and community offices, schools and teachers who require better communications. They don't have the convenience of faxes available to them either.

Just the other day, the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment made an announcement about distance education that is available to people who have the technology. But this limits the people in these communities from not acquiring these services from the department. The communities, when they first got their telephone, modified it so they could use a cordless telephone. Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Mahsi.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The people in the communities, when the telephone first came into their area, were able to modify it on their own, so they could use cordless phones in the band offices. Then they wouldn't have to stand by the pay phone when they made business calls for the band office. NorthwesTel personnel squashed their little bit of communication freedom by remodifying the telephone so that cordless phones could no longer be used. This was very inconvenient for them.

So what happens is when their business call comes in to the band manager, they have to go to the pay phone and conduct their business standing by the pay phone. In a lot of cases, it is in the porch of their public building.

In this case, it is very inconvenient and requires some changes and help from the government. I have made statements in the House requesting the Minister responsible for Public Works and Services to do something about this. Two years ago, I was organizing a trip, for the MLAs affected, to go to Whitehorse and meet with the president of NorthwesTel. But I was told to hold off, until the Minister could do something with

it. I am still waiting. I think it is about time that something be done about this. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Sexual Assault And Child Sexual Abuse

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The incidence of sexual assault and child sexual abuse is increasing at an alarming rate in the Northwest Territories. Present victims' programs and services are woefully inadequate to deal with the alarming rise in sexual assaults and child sexual abuse.

What is needed in the Northwest Territories is a combination of approaches. What we have seen is, slowly but surely, increases and stiffer sentences for perpetrators. That has to continue. People who are convicted of sexual assault or child sexual abuse have to be told, in no uncertain terms, that it is unacceptable in our society.

There have to be stronger statements by political leaders. We hear a lot of very strong, positive statements by women leaders, but what we haven't heard enough of over the years is strong political statements by male leaders. We need immediate and long-term counselling and support for victims. We have a long way to go.

It has been said many times that there has to be ongoing education for everyone involved in the justice system and social services system. It has been documented in numerous reports, but between reports it seems to be forgotten. There can be no misunderstanding that men are the primary perpetrators of sexual assault and child sexual abuse. Men then have the primary responsibility to put an end to it.

Sexual assault and child sexual abuse is totally unacceptable in our society. The statistics are frightening. Unless we do something about it, eventually its impact will be felt personally by everyone in this room. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

---Applause

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Madam Premier .

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Return To Question 136-12(6): Status Of Birthing Centre Pilot Project In Keewatin

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a return to a question asked by Mr. Ludy Pudluk on October 14th regarding the status of the birthing centre and the pilot project in the Keewatin.

Madam Speaker, the Rankin Inlet birthing project appears to be functioning very well. There have been 20 babies delivered in the health centre since November 22, 1993. Only one mother and baby had to be medevaced out after delivery, due to prematurity of the infant. Two deliveries had minor complications, but the nurse/midwives were able to handle the situation in the absence of the regional physician. High and extreme risk mothers are still being sent out to Winnipeg for safe delivery of their infants in a hospital setting.

The education component of the project is progressing very well. The partners of the mothers are becoming more involved in the classes and attending clinics with their partners. It has been noted that fathers who have attended the delivery of their baby are now visiting the well-baby clinics with their new infants.

Madam Speaker, there have been problems in staffing the nurse/midwife positions. Both midwives who started with the project have left. The Keewatin Regional Health Board has advertised twice across Canada and has not been able to staff the position yet. The coordinator of the project is working in one of the positions and the second position is staffed by rotating nurses from within the Keewatin region to ensure coverage until the positions can be filled.

Efforts are continuing to locate replacements for the midwives.

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Return To Question 152-12(6): Staff Cuts To Yellowknife Health Centre

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I have another reply. It is a reply to a question asked by Mr. Charles Dent on October 17th regarding staff cuts to Yellowknife health centre.

Madam Speaker, the Yellowknife public health unit has not cut one public health nurse from its staff. A two-year term position expired on October 23, 1994. This position was in addition to the approved staffing level for that unit. Mackenzie Regional Health Services will be conducting a review of the current responsibility and workloads of the Yellowknife public health unit in this fiscal year.

The results of this review will determine the long-term staffing for the Yellowknife public health unit. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions.

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Return To Question 152-12(6): Staff Cuts To Yellowknife Health Centre

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

There is no such thing as point of corrections under our rules, Mr. Pudluk , but if you want to call a point of order...Point of order, Mr. Pudluk .

Point Of Order

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

Thank you, Madam Speaker. With regard to return to Question 136-12(6), I didn't ask that question. Mr. Pudlat asked that question. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

That would come under a point of order, Mr. Pudluk . The return to oral question that has been submitted by the government does state that it was asked by Mr. Ludy Pudluk ,

whereas it was asked by Mr. Kenoayoak Pudlat . So, there was an error in it's stating that it should have been asked by Mr. Pudlat as opposed to Mr. Pudluk . So, therefore, the records will be corrected and you did have a point of order. Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin Central , Ms. Mike .

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Further Return To Question 258-12(6): Conflict Of Interest Re Awg Site Selection

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Good afternoon, Madam Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Gargan on October 26, 1994 regarding the 1998 Arctic Winter Games host community selection. The Arctic Winter Games International Committee's bid review process included visits and meetings with officials in both Inuvik and Yellowknife. Both communities submitted bid proposals that were based on their projections of facilities and resources in 1998, the time of the games.

It can be safely assumed that the international committee was aware of, and considered, any new infrastructure that was expected to be in place for 1998. The actual discussions and the review of the bid proposal cannot be commented on, as has been mentioned before. The NWT directors did not actively participate in the decision-making process, nor has this information been shared by the international committee. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Morin .

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Return To Question 127-12(6): Reason For Project Officer Travelling To Baffin

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Dennis Patterson on October 13th about the reason for a project officer travelling to the Baffin. The project officer did travel to the Baffin region several times. However, he did not travel specifically for the window replacement project. During 1992 and 1993, the project officer from Yellowknife travelled to the region for a number of projects in Cape Dorset, Pond Inlet, and Lake Harbour. During one of these trips, he was involved in this project, specifically to resolve the deficiencies with the major contract. Then the project was handled by the Baffin regional office for tendering and contract administration.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Kitikmeot , Mr. Ng .

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Question 260-12(6): Problems With Coppermine's Water Supply

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Earlier in my Member's statement, I raised the issue of water supply problems in the community of Coppermine. As the Department of Public Works and Services maintains the water supply, I would like to ask the Minister of Public Works and Services if he's aware of the problem and what the particular problem is in the community of Coppermine. Thank you.

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Question 260-12(6): Problems With Coppermine's Water Supply

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Question 260-12(6): Problems With Coppermine's Water Supply

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Member's statement is correct, there is a problem with fresh water in Coppermine. Coppermine has been without water, to my understanding, but they do have fresh water again since this morning. The high tide brings salt water in and the pump house is too close to the mouth of the river; that seems to create a problem.

I will commit to the Member that I will work with the Minister of MACA to try to solve this problem as soon as possible. In the interim, the hamlet of Coppermine has been supplied with portable water pumps and hoses in case this problem continues. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I understand there is a back-up portable pump system in the community and Public Works has undertaken to use it. But my understanding, from talking to people in the community, is that it is ineffective. I would like to ask the Minister if he's aware of that situation and if he could address it. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The information I have is that Public Works and Services does have a pump and hoses, the necessary equipment to get fresh water into the community now. If it is ineffective, I will move immediately to try to make it effective, so the community is supplied with fresh water. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

I understand and appreciate that the back-up system will address the immediate needs. In the long-term though, have the problems with the design and location of the existing facility been assessed by his department? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't know exactly what Public Works has done with MACA and the community to address the situation. We all know that communities do need a fresh water supply; it is one of the most important things in a community. We will work with the

Minister of MACA and the community of Coppermine to try to address the problem as soon as possible. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Yesterday, the people of the Northwest Territories and the Yukon were notified, through CBC Radio from Whitehorse, about the decision to award the 1998 Arctic Winter Games to Yellowknife. This information was relayed through the radio by Gerry Thicke from Whitehorse. Gerry is seemingly the spokesperson for the international Arctic Winter Games bid committee.

I have a question for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. Since this government is one of the biggest financial contributors to the Arctic Winter Games, was this government, through the Minister's office, given any written notification of the decision made by the Arctic Winter Games International Bid Committee?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am not aware if the government was made aware, through written documentation, that our representatives would not participate in this process. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

I wasn't asking whether or not our representatives, GNWT appointees, participated. I was just wondering if we received any written notification of the decision. My supplementary is, to your understanding, was any written notification of the decision given to the Northwest Territories' representatives on the international committee. Yesterday, you stated that these representatives were appointed by this government. Were they given any written notification of the decision made by the international bid committee?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am not aware if they were given written notification. But I do know that last year during the Arctic Winter Games in the Slave Lake, they were there when the discussion and the decision took place. I will look into it and provide the Member with the information he is asking about. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. This government has two appointees to the international Arctic Winter Games committee; one of these is Don Cooper. It is my understanding that Mr. Cooper is also the president of the Arctic Winter Games International Committee. I would like to know if Mr. Cooper, in his role as president of the international committee, notified this government of the decision to award the games to Yellowknife before the announcement was made on CBC Radio.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Not to my knowledge.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

There was a bid evaluation process, so I assume that there would be a written report on how the decision was made. So my supplementary to the Minister is, would the Minister make an effort to get a written report on the decision made by the Arctic Winter Games International Committee and provide that report to this House? Mahsi.

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. I will.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, as I mentioned earlier in my Member's statement, I understand the Minister of Education is reluctant to sign a memorandum of agreement covering issues related to the transfer of responsibility for Sir John Franklin High School with Yellowknife Education District No. 1. Could the Minister explain why he does not want to sign such an agreement?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Just so that the honourable Member is knowledgeable, we have signed already a memorandum of agreement that deals with the issues of concern between the Yellowknife Education District No. 1 and this government. What came from the last proposal that was submitted to us was a guarantee of capital expenditures.

Madam Speaker, it has been quite clear, and suggested to me, that we cannot commit other governments to financial expenditures. In fact, the Standing Committee on Finance has made it quite clear on a number of occasions that we should not be doing those kinds of things.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. The Minister just mentioned the memorandum of agreement had been signed. It was my understanding that a letter had been sent from the Minister's office, so I'm not sure it was an actual memorandum of understanding. I may have misunderstood that.

Madam Speaker, notwithstanding the Minister saying that future governments cannot be committed, there have been long-term agreements signed. For instance, a block funding agreement with Yellowknife has been signed which goes into years beyond the first year in which it is signed.

District No. 1 is looking for a commitment from the Minister that they will not be left with an expensive bill for operating or maintaining Sir John after the transfer. My question is, will the Minister commit to meet with the public school board to see if they can come to an agreement or an understanding on that issue so that we can have some signed agreement between the two parties on this issue.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, I will make that commitment.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. I thank the Minister for that commitment. Madam Speaker, Yellowknifers are concerned not only with the transfer of Sir John but, as I pointed out in my Member's statement, the equitable funding of education in Yellowknife. I would like to ask the Minister what steps he is taking in order to make funding of schools in Yellowknife and in the rest of the Northwest Territories more equitable for people who pay property taxes towards school funding.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. What I can indicate to the honourable Member is that has been the normal case; we're treating all boards and divisional boards as fairly as we can in terms of the formula. There are a number of issues that are outstanding, of course, Madam Speaker, on the matter of the transfer of Sir John High School: the whole issue of staffing, O and M, and the whole issue of capital expenditures in future.

I do hope, Madam Speaker, that prior to coming to a final conclusion on these issues, we can reach a fair, reasonable agreement that recognizes that we're not prepared to -- at least as a government and myself as a Minister -- lay the financial burden that the honourable Member is concerned about, including the remarks that he made in his statement.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I would like to direct this question to the Minister responsible for Public Works and Services . It's with regard to the statement I made earlier today about communications, specifically telephone service and fax service into the small communities that I represent and into other areas, there are some other communities besides mine that require these types of services. I would like to ask the Minister if there has been any communication at all with NorthwesTel with regard to the requests that I've made and the communities have made with regard to improving and increasing the communications services into these communities. Mahsi.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Department of Public Works and Services has the responsibility for dealing with NorthwesTel on this issue. The Members had requested a meeting with NorthwesTel. I have arranged that meeting for November 15th, and I've signed off the letters to those Members who represent communities that are unserviced.

Through CRTC hearings that were held in the Northwest Territories, we did take a presentation to those hearings: that we supported the concept of a general surcharge to all NorthwesTel customers to pay for the service going into these unserviced communities. They had come back with CRTC's final decision on this matter, or it's expected soon. But the proposed

schedule that NorthwesTel has come up with is Snare Lake to have telephones in 1994-95; Colville Lake, 1995-96; Jean Marie River, 1996-97; Nahanni Butte, 1995-96; Trout Lake, 1996-97; Kakisa, 1996-97. That's what NorthwesTel is proposing and that's basically what we'll discuss with the president of NorthwesTel on November 15th with the Members. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Health . Last night, Madam Speaker, I watched, with interest, a news show on television showing the very innovative and imaginative ways that hospitals across the country are raising money. There was an example of a Tim Hortons outlet in one hospital. There are other retail stores in hospitals. My question to the Minister of Health ...Here in Yellowknife, it's my understanding that all we have is an American-based catering company, so we probably have some room for imagination. Has the Stanton Yellowknife Hospital looked at any innovative ways of raising money within the hospital?

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Minister of Health , Madam Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 558

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, when we were considering the new chairman of the Stanton territorial hospital, one of the discussions I had with the now chairman was to try to find those innovative approaches to finding extra funds and financing some of the projects in the Stanton territorial hospital. Given the background of the chairman, I believe that with his energy and his innovative ideas that he has demonstrated in his everyday life, hopefully that can be transferred in inspiring the board to look at these innovative ways. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Dent ... Mr. Ballantyne .

---Laughter

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 558

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

We look a lot alike, Madam Speaker.

---Laughter

I thank the Minister for that response. It was interesting because the one example was the hospital which was running a Tim Hortons. For the first time ever, I saw a situation where the patients were all happy because they could actually go to Tim Hortons. The hospital was making a ton of money, the administration was happy, it was one of those win, win, win situations. I wonder if the Minister could give assurance that she will discuss with the new chairman of the board some of these imaginative approaches to hospital care. Thank you.

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Page 559

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Health , Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I believe that in addition to the Stanton hospital, some of the rationale behind the formation of health boards is to give the independence to take on some of those innovative ideas, so that the total reliance on government dollars doesn't always continue; that there would be opportunities to explore other ways of doing particularly special projects. I believe that certainly with the Stanton territorial hospital, these discussions will be ongoing.

I believe that, given there are some very strong Members of this Legislative Assembly, they may themselves, even though they're not on the board, lend some positive ideas to the Stanton board. I don't think that everyone has all the answers, but any feedback that they can get would be very helpful. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Page 559

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Page 559

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the Minister gave me a reply for the 1998 Arctic Winter Games host community selection, and she did say that she can safely assume that the international committee was aware and considered any new infrastructure that was expected to take place for Inuvik. I would like to ask the Minister...The town of Inuvik is getting a brand spanking new arena; Inuvik is getting money for a community sports field; Inuvik is getting money for outdoor recreation trails; Inuvik is getting money for the renovation of Aurora Campus; Inuvik...Well, that's good enough.

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An Hon. Member

We get the picture.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

You also have two claimant groups: the Inuvialuit Development Corporation and the regional government there. So my question then is, is the committee aware of these new infrastructures that are taking place?

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Gargan , you may want to rephrase your question. According to our rules, questions posed to the Ministers should be basically under the knowledge of the Minister responsible for the particular department. It's going to be difficult for me to determine the Minister of MACA having that knowledge of the committee, which I believe the committee should have the knowledge of as opposed to the Minister of MACA, when they made the decision. So I would like to ask if you could rephrase your question, taking that into consideration.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

I will just make reference to her own department, then, Municipal and Community Affairs. The Minister is aware that the new infrastructures are happening in Inuvik. Has the international Arctic Winter Games committee been made aware of these, because in your statement you said you can safely assume. I would like to know more precisely whether, in order for the Arctic Winter Games committee to deliberate, you said these things are happening.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Madam Speaker, my department informs me that they worked very closely all summer long with the Inuvik planning committee to host the 1998 games. The Arctic Winter Games selection committee was made aware of what Inuvik has to offer, and that was one of the reasons why this really surprised all of us; that they ended up not getting the award to host the Arctic Winter Games in 1998. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, I would like to ask...Winter sports doesn't require a lot of infrastructure. It's winter, most of it is done fairly easily. So I would like to ask exactly how much money is required in order for a community to put in the infrastructure. Inuvik is going to have three gyms. They already have one arena and they're going to get a new one, I believe, this year. So I think all the extra facilities are there. I'm just wondering how much more is required in order for the community to have gotten it.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. There are general criteria that the international committee uses for guidelines; I don't know to what extent they use it in evaluating communities. Since I don't have the inside information of the committee's decision in arriving at the decision they made, I could provide the...I'm not even sure if the requirement for facilities was one of the guidelines, but I could provide the Member with a list of the facilities that are available and the facilities that were planned to be built as of this winter. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Question 266-12(6): Rental Arrears Owed To Housing Associations

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 559

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of the Housing Corporation . Most of us are aware that there's a large amount of rental arrears owed by tenants to the various housing associations. Can the Minister give us an indication as to the magnitude of these arrears owed to the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Housing , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I cannot give the Member the exact amount of arrears, but I know it does run into millions of dollars. We are working to try to adjust the arrears issue. In some cases, we have people who have passed away who are still on the books as owing the Housing Corporation rent. We have some arrears that are 15 or 20 years old. So I have instructed the department to put together a paper on how to address the arrears, what arrears should be written off and what shouldn't so I can take that to Cabinet for approval. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. As was mentioned, some of these arrears have been around for a long time, and I'm sure some were incurred by people when they were younger and less stable. But today, a lot of people tend to grow up, their lifestyles change, they may have responsible jobs, they may have families, but because of outstanding debts incurred quite a few years ago, and then the interest accruing on these debts, some of these people have no chance of ever paying these off. This debt causes these people to never be able to qualify for the existing housing home ownership programs or for conventional mortgages.

You mentioned you're investigating ways to write off some of these debts. What's the status of that investigation?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I know that when some of us were younger we were less stable, but we are older and wiser now and able to plan our future. A lot of people, too, have gone through drug and alcohol rehabilitation to straighten out their lives, they have a family to raise and they want to get into their own homes. It has been brought to the attention of my office that they are in need of housing, they are quite willing and able to pay for housing programs, but they are deemed ineligible because they are in arrears with the Housing Corporation.

I agree with the Member that we have to address it and we are trying to move as quickly as possible. Hopefully, we should have that paper taken to Cabinet before the end of the fiscal year. Thank you.

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Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker, and I thank the Minister for that response. There is another category of people that, more and more, are doing different things to try to advance themselves. These are students. Because of the advancement of adult education in the communities and the push for home ownership, some people have taken on debt to obtain a home. Now, because they are enrolled as students in certain programs, they are required to move. In some cases, they have to give up their homes. But, if they don't pay off the debt, this follows them around for life.

Is this category of people, students, being looked at in terms of your review?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This issue of students has been raised to me many times and in many different areas of the Northwest Territories. For example, if they were living in public housing today and they wanted to go to Arctic College in Iqaluit or Fort Smith, they would have to give up their public housing and move there. A lot of people don't want to do that because there is a long waiting list for public housing.

But, under the new rent scale, the housing authority would sub-lease their unit while they are going to school, so they don't have the cost of that unit and they get their unit back. And also, through the access home ownership programs, their payments would drop right down to the minimum because they are living on student financial assistance and that assistance would not be assessed as income because it is only enough money for them to go to school and live.

The other program we have a major problem with still is the rural and remote housing program, a CMHC program that we administer. A lot of those houses are in the Delta area. In this program, people were asked to pay 25 per cent of their salary for 25 years, or not longer. That program is very hard for us to administer. At the present time, I am getting a legal question answered from the Department of Justice to see whether or not we can give that program back to CMHC, because CMHC has been very inflexible and has not agreed to the recommendations we have put forward to them. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi. On the issue of the rural and remote program, you mentioned that you would like to give this back to CMHC. But there are still some people who have some of these units and debts they have incurred. That debt