Debates of Feb. 3rd, 1998

This is page numbers 505 - 534 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Workers' Compensation Board Corporate Plan 1998-2000

A Celebration In Gjoa Haven

Gjoa Haven Social Housing Transfer Agreement Signing Ceremony

Workers' Compensation Board Policy On Lump Sum Payments

Recognition Of Thomas Ubluriak

The Need To Maintain Economic Stability

Non-insured Health Benefits

Lahm Ridge Tower Leasing Arrangement

Broughton Island Request For An Access Road

Stanton Regional Hospital Foundation Fundraising Efforts

Pay Equity Negotiations

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Reimbursement For Lost Hunting Equipment

Public Housing Rent Scales

Changes To Non-insured Health Benefits

Policy On Lump Sum Payments

Bad Faith Bargaining Complaint

Changes To The Workers' Compensation Board Act

Union Of Northern Workers Position On Pay Equity

Manitoba Trade Delegation

Problems With The Access Program

Assistance To Taloyoak Group

Broughton Island Access Road

Screening Process For Clinical Psychologist

Selection Of Midget Hockey Team

Commitment Re: Cost Of Medevacs

Options For Drug And Alcohol Treatment

Emergency Power Measures

Compensation For Dogs Destroyed In Gjoa Haven

Written Questions 06-13(5): Personnel Inquiries Re: Baffin Correctional Centre

Tabled Document 30-13(5): Workers' Compensation Board Corporate Plan 1998-2000

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 505

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Mr. Dent , your point of privilege.

Point of Privilege

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 505

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I rise today on a point of privilege under Rule 20(1) to clarify a story by reporter Dave Miller that aired on CBC Radio earlier today.

It is my duty to note that the news item on the NWT Child Benefit contained a few misinterpretations and omissions of fact and subsequently left a wrong impression about how this program will work.

I would therefore like to take a moment to repeat the explanation of this program that the Finance Minister made in his Budget Address on January 22nd, and that I elaborated upon in a statement to this House on January 23rd.

First, and most importantly, I would like to point out that the news story focused exclusively on the reallocation of funds from the Income Support Program and omitted any reference to the fact the Government of the Northwest Territories is also contributing an additional $2 million to create this new program. That is $2 million in new money this government is investing as part of our commitment to put more money in the hands of low income families across the Northwest Territories.

Second, I would also like to clarify the reallocation of income support funds, and explain where that money is coming from. The NWT Child Benefit is designed to work hand and hand with the new National Child Benefit Program. Under the National Child Benefit, starting in July of this year, the federal government is committing $850 million across Canada to increase income support benefits for all low income working families with children. Because of this new federal funding, the territorial government is required to reduce its income support payments equal to the amount being invested by the federal government.

As a result there is an overall savings of about $2.2 million in the territorial government's income support budget. Under the terms of the National Child Benefit, we are committed to reinvesting those savings to programs and services for low income northerners. We chose to do this by implementing a NWT Child Benefit, and, as I have just reminded the House, by adding an extra $2 million to put more money into the hands of northern families.

The net result of the two programs is that all families in the Northwest Territories earning less than $42,000 will receive more money than they are receiving now.

--Applause

Finally, Mr. Speaker, the news report also stated that the government revealed this information yesterday. That is incorrect in that this is not new news. Detailed information on the National Child Benefit Program, and how it will work was made available to the public, and distributed widely, as early as September, 1997. As I have already stated, information on the NWT Child Benefit was included in the 1998-99 Budget Address, and I have made a statement and responded to questions in this House over the past two weeks.

In closing, I want to stress once again, this program is good news to the people of the Northwest Territories. All families earning a household income of less than $42,000 will receive some benefit from this program. As a result, in our estimate, we will affect 60 percent of the children in the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, the inaccurate report on the CBC this morning is, to say the least, disappointing as it does an injustice to this initiative and to the people of the Northwest Territories. I would encourage this reporter to, in future, double check his facts before reporting on issues raised in the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 505

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Your point of privilege has been noted. Also, your point of privilege should be based on response to the report on CBC. Just to remind the Member he might have gone on a bit too long.

--Applause

Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Todd .

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Minister's Statement 38-13(5): Workers' Compensation Board Corporate Plan 1998-2000

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as Minister responsible for the NWT Workers' Compensation Board, it is my pleasure today to table the board's corporate plan for 1998-2000.

The corporate plan provides a template which will guide the WCB's operations over the next three years. It represents the first step in a comprehensive planning process that translates into an action plan for management and personal objectives for staff.

Once again, this strategic plan is based on very solid footing. Responsible board management decisions and strong investments have allowed the NWT Workers' Compensation Board to make plans with the assurance of a fully funded accident fund.

This strong financial position enabled the WCB to reduce the average employer assessment rate in 1997, and again in 1998. Only three years ago, the average rate was $2.54 per $100 of assessable payroll. It fell, this year, to $1.87 per $100, the fourth lowest in Canada.

By the same token, this House approved a bill last fall to increase the year's maximum insurable remuneration (the YMIR) to $52,000. This will enable the WCB to fully compensate 75 percent of full-time workers who are injured in the Northwest Territories.

A supplementary pension increase of 1.82 percent was awarded to WCB pensioners last year and a further increase of 1.78 percent was approved for 1998. These adjustments will allow pensioners to keep up with increases in the cost of living.

Mr. Speaker, these are tangible measurements of the WCB's success. It follows that many of the strategic directions identified in past corporate plans are reaffirmed in this document.

Improving workplace safety will remain an important objective. The board will continue to focus its efforts on those industries and sectors with the highest accident rates and on promoting partnerships with workers and employers.

The WCB will also continue to strive for the highest possible level of service. Alternative methods of program delivery will be explored and existing initiatives will be evaluated to ensure they meet their stated objectives. Communication with stakeholders will continue to be a top priority.

Mr. Speaker, while this document reflects the WCB's current level of success, it also acknowledges that the WCB must respond to a rapidly changing environment.

In the next three years, the WCB will work hard to clarify its roles, responsibilities and accountability. The development of an effective board governance structure is crucial to ensuring that the financial, Legislative and program challenges facing the board are dealt with in a responsible manner.

Most importantly, the board must work to project the interests of its stakeholders during the creation of the two new territories. The WCB will co-operate with representatives of the west and Nunavut to facilitate a smooth transition. In the end result, I am sure all Members want a Workers' Compensation Board which will provide efficient and cost effective service in both jurisdictions after April 1, 1999.

Mr. Speaker, the WCB's Corporate Plan for 1998-2000 reflects the combined dedication of the board of directors, management and staff to meet the challenges of workers' compensation which will face us going into the twenty-first century. I encourage my colleagues to read this document. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 38-13(5): Workers' Compensation Board Corporate Plan 1998-2000

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 39-13(5): A Celebration In Gjoa Haven

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my very great pleasure to rise today in this Assembly to congratulate the community of Gjoa Haven.

Last Friday I flew into the community, along with the MLA for Natilikmiot, Mr. John Ningark and senior staff of the Housing Corporation, to sign the agreement transferring the management and administration of the Social Housing Program from the Housing Corporation to the hamlet. Although my visit was brief, it was a pleasure because the whole community was proud to be taking a major step toward accepting more responsibility for how local housing decisions are made.

Mr. Speaker, I believe transferring more program authority for housing to the community level is the way to go in the future. It is an opportunity for communities to take greater control of their own destiny. I believe the mayor of Gjoa Haven, Michael Angottitauruq Sr. and council should be commended for their vision, as should the members and staff of the former Housing Association, because it is only through their cooperative approach that this transfer was possible.

As the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , I wish to sincerely thank the mayor, hamlet council and all of the community for being our hosts on Friday night. The community events, including the formal signing ceremony itself were very enjoyable and demonstrated the warmth and friendship of a community which was very proud to be taking greater control of their own lives. I hope that more communities will follow Gjoa Haven, and the example set by other communities, by working with the NWT Housing Corporation to assume greater local control over social housing.

In closing, Mr. Speaker, I believe that we should reflect on the positive outcome of our community empowerment initiative. Through hard work and cooperation between the GNWT and communities, everyone will benefit from the investment in community self-reliance. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 39-13(5): A Celebration In Gjoa Haven

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 138-13(5): Gjoa Haven Social Housing Transfer Agreement Signing Ceremony

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

I will speak in my first language, Mr. Speaker. Thank you. (Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Goo Arlooktoo on behalf of Gjoa Haven for attending the social housing transfer signing ceremonies. We were made welcome by the people of Gjoa Haven and the people of Gjoa Haven were very happy to see the Minister in their community. The Minister indicated earlier what we did in Gjoa Haven, but I would like to thank Mr. Arlooktoo personally because he had asked me to accompany him to Gjoa Haven. I did not pay my airfare myself, Mr. Speaker, so I would like to thank the Minister.

--Laughter

I would like to thank Mr. Arlooktoo very much. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 138-13(5): Gjoa Haven Social Housing Transfer Agreement Signing Ceremony

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 139-13(5): Workers' Compensation Board Policy On Lump Sum Payments

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to raise an issue in relations to the WCB. I have a constituent who had his hand severely injured in a chain saw accident a number of years ago and he lost some fingers. He is a very hardworking gentleman who gets by on seasonal employment and part-time work. He has been after a lump sum payment for his disability. This is not argued or disagreed with by the WCB, and they, in fact on the face of it, say they have a policy for lump sum payouts.

However, I have the policy here and the strings and conditions that they attach on lump sum payouts, I would consider to be draconian and onerous. Mr. Speaker, keeping in mind, that this gentleman is a part-time, seasonal worker, the WCB has seen fit to institute policies that require verifiable, independent stable source of income. If you do not have that, you have to show a stable employment history for five years. You have to be willing to put the lump sum payout towards a mortgage, a business venture or into a financial institution.

In the most condescending fashion of all, the WCB insists that the applicant must be able to demonstrate the ability to manage his or her financial affairs. Mr. Speaker, I cannot believe that the WCB sees its mandate so far beyond looking after injured workers, where they would play the role of a social worker or a patronizing parent. In fact, this is his money. They are earning interest on his money. He has a legitimate request for a lump sum payout, yet this institution, which is rolling in money as we are told, will not even give this poor gentleman the money that he has earned his right to have.

This is the 21st century we are going into. We are not going back into the 19th century. I would hope the Minister would look at this situation and this poor, hard-done-by gentleman who has asked very simply; give me the money that I earned that I paid into because of my injury so that I can put it to the use that I see fit. He does not need a corporation that is patronizing, intrusive and controlling withholding his money that is rightfully his. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 139-13(5): Workers' Compensation Board Policy On Lump Sum Payments

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 507

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 140-13(5): Recognition Of Thomas Ubluriak

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to recognize a very special individual from my home community of Arviat. Thomas Ubluriak is known as Arviat's unofficial weatherman. Mr. Speaker, as we all know, the weather can be very unpredictable. It is almost as unpredictable as politics. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that when Environment Canada has trouble forecasting the weather, they call on my friend Thomas for advice. Ninety-nine percent of the time, Thomas' weather predictions are accurate.

He shares his knowledge of the weather without using any modern technology, without any formal training in this area. In addition to being Arviat's unofficial weatherman, Thomas also helps out at the Roman Catholic Church as one of the lay presiders. He is employed at the hamlet of Arviat as a water truck driver and his favourite pastime is dog mushing, a tradition which he continues to enjoy and promote. Mr. Speaker, hats off to Thomas Ubluriak.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 140-13(5): Recognition Of Thomas Ubluriak

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 141-13(5): The Need To Maintain Economic Stability

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Before I start, I would like to send greetings back to my wife and children. Mr. Speaker, I believe we have come a long way in the past two and a half years. One can say much has been accomplished. We can now focus on where we would like to go as a government. This alone sounds like good news. We should be sending a positive message out to the people we represent. After all, the people of the north have for far too long had to make due with much less than everybody has become accustomed to in the past two and a half years. It is time for some stability.

It is time to mark out a path that we will travel in the upcoming months and year. Once a path has been marked out, we should follow it through. This after all Mr. Speaker, is how the people of this great country measure our accountability. They watch to see if what we say as a government is the same as what we do.

For two and a half years, we have been sending a message out to the people of the north that we must operate in a more efficient manner than was done before all this done to protect the future of our children and grandchildren. Many have accepted this, and many still question the route chosen but all watch to see if we practise what we preach. Mr. Speaker, I was chosen to represent the people of Inuvik and for two years much of the info and news I brought back to the people of Inuvik was not good news.

For two years I was a messenger of this government and just when it looks like we have good news to share with the people I represent, they start asking, why did we go through all the reductions for the past two years.

Mr. Speaker, recent decisions of this government have been scrutinized by Members of this House and by the press. Now the people we represent are asking or questioning, why did we go through all the reductions and changes, just to see things go back to the old ways of doing business. Mr. Speaker, it is time to set the record straight, line-up all the cans and clear the air. In closing, Mr. Speaker, let not the seed of doubt grow like a weed for once it surfaces, it soon takes over all the good work of the gardener. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 141-13(5): The Need To Maintain Economic Stability

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 142-13(5): Non-insured Health Benefits

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have raised the issue of non-insured health benefits before in this House. The NIHB has recently had some major changes. I understand that approximately 640 previous prescription and off-the-shelf drugs are no longer listed or covered under the NIHB. To my knowledge, there was no press release, communiqué or media advisory to let the general public know about this. Most people only found out about it when they went to their local pharmacy.

Mr. Speaker, was our territorial Department of Health advised of these changes prior to them coming into force? Was our government consulted on the changes? The federal government continues to download costs to the residents and we seemingly roll over on the issues. I am of the understanding that the changes made to prescriptions and drugs were because there are cheaper substitutes available in the marketplace. That may be, but are they available at our northern pharmacies here in the north?

For example, Mr. Speaker, if hypothetically hydroxyl is available and is under the NIHB, why would a pharmacy stock an equivalent drug, for example, amberflin. Our doctors probably prescribe the drugs or prescriptions that are readily available, not necessarily what is cheaper or a substitute. The approximate 640 over-the-counter and prescription drugs that are no longer under the NIHB should have been listed and supplied to our medical practitioners. Has that been done?

Mr. Speaker, I would hope that our Minister for Health will and has addressed these concerns with his federal counterpart and later today, I will be asking the Minister some questions on this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 142-13(5): Non-insured Health Benefits

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 143-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Leasing Arrangement

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about the Lahm Ridge Tower leasing arrangement that was recently made. Mr. Speaker, I have listened to many statements and questions made in this House and also had people call me and talk to me about this, a lot of them, because of things that have been raised in here I have taken the time to talk to several people that were involved and, Mr. Speaker, I am satisfied with the explanations that I have received. However, there still seems to be Members and the public who have questions, and of course, they deserve answers to those questions.

There was a document tabled on January 28th which attempted to answer the questions that are being asked. The problem is that document was not detailed enough. I would urge the Minister responsible for this area to provide us with a more detailed explanation, a more detailed chronology of events with reasoning, more reasoning, as to why each step was taken. Mr. Speaker, there are a lot of questions that have been asked and a lot of answers given. People need to see all this in one document, explanation with dates and reasoning. Mr.

Speaker, I believe this would help lay this issue to rest, and let us get on with proactive work such as dealing with the budget, and improving programs and services and making government more efficient and effective. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 143-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Leasing Arrangement

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 144-13(5): Broughton Island Request For An Access Road

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, the community of Broughton Island would like to have an access road to Old Broughton Island. An access road is important to the community. Old Broughton Island needs a more sheltered location from the community that allows for a longer boating season. This will allow the community to hunt and fish for a longer period of time as the water around Old Broughton Island is open longer than the water near the community. Hunting, trapping and fishing are important to the economy of Broughton Island. It is also the only form of income for many people.

Hunting, trapping and fishing also puts food on the table for the community. If you do not have a skidoo or an ATV, it is difficult to get to Old Broughton Island, not everyone has a skidoo or an ATV. Mr. Speaker, the community of Broughton Island needs an access road to Old Broughton Island. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 144-13(5): Broughton Island Request For An Access Road

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 145-13(5): Stanton Regional Hospital Foundation Fundraising Efforts

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I want to talk about the fundraising campaign organized by the Stanton

Regional Hospital Foundation. Many of Stanton's patients come from smaller northern communities, people who in another area would have been sent south to Edmonton for treatment. The hospital was built ten years ago, and much of the equipment is old, rendered obsolete by technical advances. Although the GNWT continues to support some of the equipment needs, the needs far exceed available government funding. So the Stanton Regional Hospital Foundation is trying to raise $2 million to buy state of the art gear. This involves everything from a CAT scanner to a mammography unit.

Although buying this equipment is initially expensive, it will eventually reduce costs charged to our overall health care system. For example, many women are currently screened for breast cancer down south due to the frequent breakdowns of the obsolete mammography machine currently in use at Stanton. In 1996, over $600,000 was spent sending northerners to Edmonton for CAT scans. Investing in new equipment for Stanton will save hundreds of thousands of dollars for this government annually. The Foundation's fundraising campaign is now in full swing. Many people are dedicating their time to the foundation.

In particular, I would like to single out Allan Hathaway, as chair of the foundation, and Cappy Elkin, chair of the campaign committee. There are many other northerners dedicated to this effort: Dr. Hassan Adam, Ric Bolivar, Darrell Donylynny, John Ferguson, Margaret Hawkins, Bill Graham, Joe Auge, Dennis Cleaver, Doug Witty, Gary Walsh, Gord Van Tighem and Greg Merrithew, just to name a few.

So I salute them. Thank you, Mr. Speaker

--Applause

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Member's Statement 145-13(5): Stanton Regional Hospital Foundation Fundraising Efforts

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 509

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statement. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 146-13(5): Pay Equity Negotiations

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I rise to talk about the comments I heard this morning made by the president of the UNW. Firstly, however, I would like say, for the record, that I do believe in pay equity along with fairness and equality of all government employees. Listening to the president's talk this morning made me wonder as to how we will ever reach an agreement on this issue. In her interview, in my opinion, she is refusing to look at anything this government is attempting to offer. It is no wonder we continue to fight to achieve our goals of a balanced budget.

During these times of restraints and deficit reductions, we must work together and both sides must compromise to a degree. One cannot expect this government to give them the world, when we only have a small territory. This, in my opinion, is what she is after.

I do realize that the UNW is not the only group at fault, and this government should do its part to ensure this important issue is resolved. I do think it is her responsibility to her members to ensure a fair deal is done, and it is also her responsibility to her members to finalize this issue. To start negotiating is the way to finally bring this to rest. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Page 509

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statement. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 509

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased today to recognize two of my constituents from Hay River, Mr. Terry Camsell, who is the director of the Eastern Arctic Operations for Northern Transportation and Mr. Rick Connors, director of Mackenzie Western Arctic Operations for NTCL. Welcome to the House.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I would like to recognize Ms. Pat Thomas of the NWTTA. I would like to thank Pat for showing up every day. I would like to see Pat during the week and have some shrimp with her.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 180-13(5): Reimbursement For Lost Hunting Equipment

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 509

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker, colleagues. My question is directed to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . In Pond Inlet in June, 1997, hunters who were temporarily employed took some students out on a field trip. There were 11 students, along with the five hunters and their teacher. They got stranded on some ice and got carried away from their travelling equipment. They lost their snowmobiles including their sleds and tents. They had to leave everything behind. Mr.

Speaker, it is estimated that each adult individual lost at least $10,000 worth of hunting and camping equipment that they owned. The hunters did not endeavour the trip on their own as they were employed by the Education Department to take the students out. Can the Minister give us an update as to what has happened since their safe return? Has the department received any claims for coverage for their loss and, if so, are the hunters being considered to receive compensation for their equipment? I would appreciate an immediate response from the Minister. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 510

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand the hunters were hired by the divisional education council and not by the department. When the Member expressed some concern about this, I asked for information. I found that the divisional education council has investigated the situation with risk management of the government, and the hunters are not covered because they were contractors that were hired by the DEC. Contractors are expected to have their own insurance That would be the mechanism whereby they could put in a claim through their own insurance . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Oral questions. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Question 181-13(5): Public Housing Rent Scales

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 510

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I shall be speaking my native language. My question will be directed to the Minister of Housing Corporation , the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo . Last year, Mr. Speaker, there were a number of houses that were occupied through the public housing arrangement. Last year the rent scales were not increased and this was good for the tenants. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister of the Housing Corporation is, the houses that are being rented by the tenants, do we expect the rent scale to remain the same or do you anticipate an increase in their rent? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 510

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last year the housing rental scales occupied by tenants was reviewed and we put an end to any further increases at that time. However, I can say that we are close to finalizing the review and we will make a decision in the next week or so as to what we want to do with the rental scales. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 510

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you to the Minister for NWT Housing Corporation. I have a supplemental. Perhaps the Minister can indicate to me as to whether there will be an increase and, if so, will they be applied in different levels to the tenants, but will the rental increases be uniform across the territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Arlooktoo , I heard two questions.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am afraid I cannot answer the questions in detail at this time, but I can say, however, that when we readjusted the rental scales a year ago, we tried to make them uniform in all the communities. The only differences being the cost of living and the fluctuation of the food basket rates, Mr. Speaker. Those were the only factors that we had to consider in applying the rental scales. Once I receive the information, I will make an announcement to the MLAs in the House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 182-13(5): Changes To Non-insured Health Benefits

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 510

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in reference to my earlier statement on the NIHB. My question will be addressed to the Minister for the Department of Health. Was our Department of Health aware or privy to discussions surrounding deletion of the approximately 640 over-the-counter drugs and prescriptions being dropped from the NIHB? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 510

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Page 510

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Non-Insured Health Benefit Program is administered by the GNWT on behalf of Medical Services Branch of Health and Welfare Canada. It is a specific program for aboriginal peoples throughout the country. I can say that some discussions on the changes took place, but those discussions took place directly between Medical Services Branch, the Health and Welfare Canada officials and the aboriginal organizations who received the benefits on behalf of their constituents. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Page 510

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, are the drugs that are no longer available under the NIHB that have been and can be replaced by substitutes readily available in the north? Has the GNWT checked to see if this is, indeed, the case? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I cannot speak on specifics on every individual item that is listed and whether it is or is not available. Suffice it to say, I think the pharmacies in the Northwest Territories do stock quite a number of drugs for dispensation. I cannot answer that question because of the level of the detail that the honourable Member is asking about. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if, for example, I am in Iqaluit and go to the pharmacy to get a prescription written by the doctor, if it is no longer under the NIHB and the doctor was not aware of that, when I go to the pharmacy, I have to pay for that drug. As an example, if hydroxyl is available under the NIHB, that would be paid for. Mr. Speaker, my question is, there is approximately 640 over-the-counter prescription drugs that are no longer under the NIHB, has that list been sent to our medical practitioners here in the Northwest Territories so they know what drugs are under the NIHB?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have the answer with me as well. I can find out and advise the Member accordingly. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think it is strange, Mr. Speaker, that we do not know which drugs are available and which ones are under the NIHB. I would follow up then with the Minister and ask him a supplemental question. I would request that his other commitment just now that it comes back so I can make reference to it. Has the GNWT tried to communicate with the public on the changes if there is any implication to them on the drugs that have been taken out of the NIHB? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I heard two questions. Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no we have not. As I indicated at the start, quite frankly, this is a federal Medical Services Branch, Health and Welfare Canada program that they provide to aboriginal peoples across the country. We administer the payment aspect on behalf of Health and Welfare Canada. We are not privy to making the decisions of what is or is not covered. That is totally at the discretion of the medical services branch. They directly consult with the aboriginal organizations as to the impacts and which services are provided and which services and coverage are or are not to be provided. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 183-13(5): Policy On Lump Sum Payments

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 511

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the WCB and it is in regard to my statement and the Workers' Compensation Board policy on lump sum payments. I am posing this question to the Minister who is also a board member, I understand, on the WCB and an entrepreneur of some repute in the east. Would the Minister comment on the intent of this particular policy especially in relation to the fact that if an injured worker is entitled to money for an injury, would it not be in the corporation's or compensation board's best interest, to give them that lump sum payment, thus limiting their liability?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate what my honourable colleague is saying and I did look into this matter when he had, rightly so, been investigating it for his constituent. There are rules and procedures that the WCB board of directors have put in place and there are some conditions set for lump sum payments. I think the only thing I could say to my honourable colleague is, it is a quasi-independent judicial board, with limited ministerial involvement. I think I would be prepared to sit down with the new chair of the board, Ms.

Joanne Deneron, and see if they would be prepared to once again take a look at the policy they have in place for lump sum payments and see if there is some way in which they could not only consider this particular instance, but others. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for that offer and commitment. I would also like to ask the Minister when he is sitting down with the chair, could he also engage in what may be possibly a philosophical discussion. When they say an applicant must be able to demonstrate the ability to manage his or her financial affairs, what could possibly be the intent of the WCB on that issue? How could they possibly think that they could measure that? They are not social workers. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. I would be only too happy to have a discussion with the new chair, Ms. Joanne Deneron, of the Workers' Compensation Board with respect to the comments raised by my honourable colleague in relationship to the concerns his constituent has. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Now that I have a commitment for this type of meeting, I would like to ask the Minister to commit to a time period so that I have an idea of when this issue could possibly be addressed so that I can report back to the constituent involved, where this is on the priority issue?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

As I always do, Mr. Speaker, when I am asked important questions and I am unable, which is not that often in this House by my honourable colleagues, I will move expeditiously to deal with the issue and report back to my colleague, as I frequently do, some time earlier in the morning, later on next week. I would not want to imply that I am going to be able to give him necessarily the answer he wants.

What I have said is, I will discuss the matter with the chair of the board, and ultimately, really, the board makes the decision on what the rules and regulations and policies are in the manner related to cash payouts on pensions. I will bring forward, as quickly as possible, the concerns raised by my colleague that I raised actually, many years ago when I was sitting on the Workers' Compensation Board. Thank you.

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Question 184-13(5): Bad Faith Bargaining Complaint

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education . I understand that the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association has filed a bad faith bargaining complaint against Yellowknife School Board District 1 with the Canadian Labour Relations Board. I wonder if the Minister could confirm that for us?

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister might be aware of it. Do you wish to respond? The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I had been informed that the NWTTA did file a complaint about bad faith bargaining with the Canada Labour Relations Board.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell us what the complaint is about? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

There has been a petition filed through a judicial body and I do not know how much of this the Minister wants to respond to. On this, I would be careful. Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Because of the conventions of sub judicae, I can say no more than what has been put out in a press release. As I understand the situation, there is a disagreement over whether an agreement had been reached at the negotiating table and should have been presented to the board. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister tell us what the process is from here on?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I understand it, the Canada Labour Relations Board will investigate the complaint and determine whether or not there are grounds to make a ruling. Beyond that, I cannot advise.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 185-13(5): Changes To The Workers' Compensation Board Act

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 512

Henry

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation, Mr. Todd . Earlier today, my honourable colleague from Thebacha referred to this legislation as being draconian. Mr. Speaker, I would add the word archaic also. My question to the Minister is, when was this legislation last looked at? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board, Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, maybe I missed something on the way to the Assembly today. Is this not the same WCB that has a fully-funded accident and pension fund? Is this not the same WCB that has reduced the rates to an all-time low in the Northwest Territories to the employers?

--Applause

Is this not the same WCB that has increased the benefits not only to the workers but to pensions? Archaic? I would probably say it is state of the art in terms of its ability to function.

--Applause

In response to my honourable colleague's question about when were the last changes made to the Workers' Compensation Board legislation, I do not know. I will have to look into it. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Henry

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is nice to hear a nice, calm Minister for a change. I am not sure if he referred to state of the ark or state of the art. Mr. Speaker, my reason for asking the Minister about how long it has been since this legislation has been revised, he talks about this organization that is financially healthy. No one can dispute that. It is in great shape. Mr. Speaker, it seems to be able to collect finances from employers and also, it seems it can also get finances from employees.

When I refer to the legislation as being archaic, this is the only legislation in the country which allows the Workers' Compensation Board, an organization set up for the protection of workers, to take members that it is supposed to protect, to court. I am wondering, will the Minister consider giving direction, as he had earlier on today, for his board to take a look at this act from the point of view of trying to bring it into the 21st century where it is meant to protect the people it is set up to serve? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Just a warning to the Members, I have been requested to start applying the rules of the House more stringently. Just as a warning that I intend to do that. I will ask the Members that when they do ask their question, that they have a

preamble and then, three supplementaries to that

preamble. I will cut-off the Members if they continue with their

preamble into their second, third and fourth questions. Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. In fact, the Workers' Compensation Board has been looking at legislation and clearly understands the need for significant changes because there has not been change, I suspect, for close to ten years. I want to be accurate in responding to the crown jewel of the Northwest Territories government. They have a significant amount of money, and a certain amount of work on the need for legislative change. However, as my honourable colleague knows, there are 14 months left. We have some important legislation that we have to get through on that.

Sure, a major change, if it was significant in legislative change to the WCB, would be able to get on the legislative agenda at this time because of other priorities. I can tell my colleague, and I am prepared to share with him if he wishes, some of the changes that the WCB have recommended to me that they feel are required to bring the Workers' Compensation Board legislation into the 21st century.

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Samuel Gargan

--Laughter

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Henry

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister did give a lot of information, but I am not sure whether he insisted or suggested he would have the board take a look at that legislation. Could I ask the Minister to clarify if he would, indeed, have the ministry look at the legislation as a whole from the points that the previous Minister asked?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

To cut a long story short, Mr. Speaker, in fact, the board of directors have looked at the legislative change that they feel is necessary to bring the Workers' Compensation Board into the 21st century. What I was saying was, given the short time left in this Legislature, and given the Legislative agenda that we have that is choked right up, it has been my decision at this time not to bring it forward. I will discuss the matter with my honourable colleague.

Frankly, given the time we have left and given some of the serious priorities - and I am not suggesting this is not one - but there are other ones that are of greater priority we have had to leave this one in abeyance. Certainly, if there was the will out there to move forward, the desire to cooperate and the time available; we would only be too happy to move that legislation forward. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 186-13(5): Union Of Northern Workers Position On Pay Equity

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question would be directed to the Minister responsible for FMBS. Mr. Speaker, as a result of the Minister's statements yesterday, both in a news conference as well as in the House on the issue of pay equity, there are some concerns being raised. For example, one of the replies we have heard from

the union president is that the $25 million Mr. Todd speaks about on the retroactivity of the pay equity is a down payment or represents 10 percent on the dollar. If that is the case, I am quite concerned as to where this will lead to. We have talked about pushing for a negotiated settlement. Will the Minister inform us if what they are saying is accurate, that this is indeed, what they see as 10 percent on the dollar? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Can I ask the Member to rephrase his question. The question is asking the Minister to confirm or deny a report that was heard on the radio this morning. Perhaps you can rephrase your question. Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, gladly. Is the Minister aware of the position put forward by the union on the issue of pay equity? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister for the Financial Management Board . Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think I would like to answer it this way. Yesterday, I tried to clearly point out to the public, the UNW and to northern residents what this government thinks is a fair, affordable settlement that puts money in the hands of our employees that rightly belongs to them. It is clear as far as I am concerned anyway if, in fact, $25 million as has been stated is ten percent of what the union believes is an appropriate settlement, then they are talking $250 million. Frankly, Mr. Speaker, it is just simply not on.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the amount that was presented yesterday by the Minister, for example, we do not have that in our document in our budget. Where is that money that he is saying that this government will put forward, and where will it come from? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think it is important, first of all, to say to the UNW to challenge them, to bring forward what they think is a fair, affordable settlement. We have put ours forward. I think it is fair; I think it is affordable and I believe with careful fiscal management of this government we can find the dollars, the $25 million in retroactivity and the $9 million on ongoing costs to our wages and benefits package. I challenge in a serious way and in a professional way instead of the kind of rhetoric words like insulting people, et cetera.

I have spoken in this House frequently in a professional way, in an honest endeavour to reach a negotiated, fair, affordable settlement. I say to you today that what we have put on the table is what we can afford, nothing more, nothing less.

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Question 187-13(5): Manitoba Trade Delegation

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Mr. Speaker, there is a trade delegation that will be travelling to my communities and also, I believe, to Yellowknife and Iqaluit from Manitoba. I would like to ask the Minister if the memorandum of understanding that was signed, I believe a year and a half ago by our Premier and the Premier of Manitoba, if that will be discussed during this visit? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister responsible for Resource, Wildlife and Economic Development. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the Premier has assigned the job of coordinating and receiving the delegation to the Deputy Premier, Goo Arlooktoo . Mr. Arlooktoo will respond to the question. Thank you.

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Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I passed on an information item to the Member yesterday indicating that the trade delegation from Manitoba including some of the political and business leadership would be in the Northwest Territories on the 16th, 17th, 18th and would visit Rankin Inlet, Yellowknife, Iqaluit and Arviat and extending an invitation if the Members so wish to attend these meetings.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not recall seeing that, but is the Minister saying that the Members will have an opportunity to meet the delegation and sit down and discuss various issues with them? Thank you.

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the Member looks on his desk, I did send two packages over yesterday morning. I know that the Member from Iqaluit did receive one because he commented on it. I did send another package, but I do not have a copy of the one that I had right in front of me. The answer is yes if other MLAs wish to attend the meeting or the other functions that are planned. As I

understand it most if not all of the events, will be public and available for MLAs and others to attend. Thank you.

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Question 188-13(5): Problems With The Access Program

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation . Last year and within this year, the access program has run into problems. Apparently the homeowners are having difficulties building these homes. I am wondering what the situation is really like. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. After the Member indicated last year that there were some concerns regarding access programs, some homeowners were complaining that their homes were not being built properly and not being on par with fire codes and standards. I told him I would look into this matter, and if there were some deficiencies within buildings, then we would have to go back to the contractor and get them to do the work again. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The homeowners who will have these access homes do pay the contractors, and if the contractor has to go back in there and fix it some more, does the price go up a little bit more and cost more for the homeowner? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The issue of homeownership units through the Housing Corporation that are built by private contractors is governed by safety codes and regulations which govern all other house building laws and rules. If the contractor is at fault and not doing acceptable workmanship, there is a process of finding out whether the contractor or others are liable, but that would very much depend on each particular situation. As I had indicated, we did look into several cases that the Member told us about last year. I do not have the information in front of me, but I will get it and provide an answer to the Member.

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Question 189-13(5): Assistance To Taloyoak Group

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to Mr. Dent , the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment who is also responsible for Youth Initiatives, Youth Leadership. Several days ago, I asked the honourable Minister about the request of adult community training program of the hamlet of Taloyoak. The group of Taloyoak young people is endeavouring to make a trip to Yellowknife some time in March or April. They are requesting some financial assistance through me from the government in the area of $16,500, but they are also trying to raise funds in the community.

I think we should recognize that group for their effort. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister prepared to provide funding for this group? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The question has already been asked to the Minister. Again, according to the rules if a question has been asked in that session, it cannot be asked again during that session, but it was asked to the Minister of Finance so I will allow the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment to respond to the Member. Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would join the Member in saluting the young peoples' initiative in their efforts to raise funds for travel. I would have to say that I am unaware of any funds that are left in the department's budget that could be applied to this kind of travel. All the monies to be used for travel for young people was put into the formula and distributed to the divisional education councils previously. We have no funds left at the centre for disbursement. All of the funds are handled at the regional level for travel, and I would encourage the students to approach regional offices. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 190-13(5): Broughton Island Access Road

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of Transportation , the Honourable Jim Antoine . As I indicated in my Member's statement earlier wanting to have an access road from Broughton Island to Old Broughton Island, I will make my

preamble as short as possible. When we are talking about an access road in small remote communities, we are not talking about paved roads or anything like that. We are talking about getting a trail from communities to the hunting grounds. Mr. Speaker, my question to the Minister of Transportation is, can he have his department look into this matter? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the community access road is a very popular program in the

Department of Transportation. The request from the honourable Member, I take it very seriously. However, the department has not received a proposal from the community on the access road program for Broughton Island as yet. We encourage them to do so. With this program, it is a community initiated program, and we encourage them to approach us and send us a proposal. Then the regional superintendent of the Baffin will assist the community with this project. Yes, I will forward to the honourable Member, my colleague, a copy of the community access roads, transportation, the facilities contribution so that he is aware of the process that we follow. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 191-13(5): Screening Process For Clinical Psychologist

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Page 516

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question concerns a question I had raised yesterday when the Minister of Justice informed the House that indeed the clinical psychologist in Iqaluit is no longer employed. Now media reports indicate fraud and so on. My question, Mr. Speaker, is in this case, how could this person, who seemingly impersonated another person, like The Great Imposter starring Tony Curtis, Mr. Speaker, how could this happen? How could the person get through the screening process? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I must rule the question out of order. It is now in the process and you have to allow the process to be completed before you react or ask questions about it. I must rule the question out of order. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 192-13(5): Selection Of Midget Hockey Team

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Page 516

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . It is in regard to the unfortunate incident in South Slave regarding the midget hockey selections. I am concerned that the hockey establishment will try to minimize the concerns raised or possibly have them shuffled off under the carpet until after the games. I would just like to ask the Minister when will the report be done that she has requested by her officials of the concerns raised? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have directed my staff to look into this process and I know they are reviewing it right now. I will get the information to the Member as soon as I can. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister be more specific, if possible? Would she commit to having that prior to the end of this session which is initially targeted for the end of February?

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Samuel Gargan

Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will get some feedback from my department by the end of this week to be updated on this issue and I will let the Member get briefed also. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister last week also made a commitment to, in fact, having been briefed by her officials. Would the Minister consider, in fact, having her officials or one of her officials, even in Fort Smith, meet with the concerned hockey parents and players? They are the ones with the personal investment and significant concerns on this issue? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will discuss that with my staff. I truly believe in the process of people talking together. I will have somebody talk with the parents in Fort Smith. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 193-13(5): Commitment Re: Cost Of Medevacs

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is directed to the Honourable Kelvin Ng . Mr. Speaker, on November of last year, the Minister, while he was atten