Debates of June 5th, 1995

This is page numbers 1109 - 1133 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Women's Biathlon Team - Canada Games Medals

Bill C-68 - Update

Nomination Of NWT Director To The Arctic Winter Games International Committee (awgic)

Item 3: Members' Statements

Election To The Legislative Assembly

Member's Statement Welcoming Member For Aivilik To Assembly

Member's Statement Extending Apologies To Constituents And Mlas

Drug And Alcohol Awareness Walk

Member's Statement Welcoming Member For Aivilik To Assembly

Graduation Ceremonies Of The Native Women's Training Centre

New Maritime Coastal Defence Vessels For Canadian Navy

First Grade 12 Graduation Ceremonies In Coppermine And Cambridge Bay

Welcoming Member For Aivilik To Assembly

Grade 12 Graduation Ceremonies In Fort Simpson

Lack Of Federal Consultation Re Bill C-68

Victory In Europe Celebrations

Lack Of Federal Preparation Re Bill C-68

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Status Of NWT Sales Tax

Status Of Negotiated Contracts Policy

Youth Coordinator Position In Ece

Funding For Western Arctic Constitutional Negotiations

Update On Northern Accord Negotiations

Review Of Dene-metis Hangar Proposal For Fort Smith

Bip Status Of Nova Construction

Plans For A Resident Rcmp Officer In Chesterfield Inlet

Status Of Air Operations Manager Of Fire Suppression Program

Status Of Second Appointee To Awg International Committee

Human Resources Skills Inventory For Mining Sector

Status Of Student Financial Assistance Program Review

Reason For Increase In Stumpage Fees

Delivery Of Staff Housing Program At Community Level

Safety Concerns Re Fire Suppression Program

Written Question 23-12(7): Request For Proposals For The Fire Suppression Air Tanker Contract

Written Question 24-12(7): Experienced Firefighters Hired To Accompany Buffalo Airways Pilots

Written Question 25-12(7): Residency Requirements For NWT Driver's Licence

Written Question 26-12(7): Residency Requirements For NWT Health Care Cards

Item 10: Petitions

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 26:

An Act To Amend The Jury Act

Committee Report 2-12(7): Report On The Legislative Action Paper On The Office Of Ombudsman For The Northwest Territories

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mrs. Thompson , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 1109

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson . I would like to congratulate you on being elected to the Assembly. Welcome to the Chamber.

---Applause

I would also like to welcome back all the Members from their break. We have plenty of sunlight here but maybe we need a skydome that would open somehow and get some air in here.

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 75-12(7): Women's Biathlon Team - Canada Games Medals

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On Saturday, May 27, 1995, a particularly proud moment for northerners occurred that I wish to share with Members. At the annual Sport North awards banquet held that evening, one of our outstanding sport teams received their rightful recognition and reward. Many of us have followed the media accounts of the plight of our Canada Games women's biathlon relay team.

At the Canada Games in Grande Prairie last February, the team skied and shot as a team at the highest levels to finish their relay race a close fourth, just behind Team Quebec. To finish that close behind such provinces as Quebec and Alberta was a demonstration of the excellence of the performance of these young ladies.

During the race, Team Quebec had been "paced" by their coaches. Pacing is the practice of running alongside competitors to encourage and assist them. This practice is clearly illegal under Biathlon Canada rules and calls for a team's disqualification. Team NWT coach, Patti-Kay Hamilton, with the encouragement of other coaches and our own NWT mission staff, filed a protest with the games jury.

The games jury's final decision: Quebec coaches had indeed been pacing their athletes, but instead of the automatic disqualification of the team, which would have given the bronze medals to Team NWT, the games jury ruled that Quebec should only be reprimanded. Team Quebec was allowed to keep their bronze medals.

Mr. Speaker, we take great pride in the good sportsmanship and fair play that our NWT athletes demonstrate at national events. Our women's biathlon relay team demonstrated character and sportsmanship in the face of the unjust decision by the Canada Games jury. Mr. Speaker, many of us felt it was simply not enough to tell these three young ladies that they should satisfy themselves with this decision.

There have been three months of intense and persistent pressure brought to bear on the Canada Games Council to review and reverse this decision. Many letters and interventions have been made on behalf of the team. I directly contacted the president of the Canada Games Council, as did others.

At the Sport North awards banquet, the Canada Games Council's decision was announced, co-awarding the bronze medal to the NWT women's biathlon relay team. The medals, along with a statement from the council, were presented to the team that evening.

Mr. Speaker, justice has been done. We have shown that it is right to compete in the true spirit of sportsmanship and fair play and that our athletes can be rewarded for fair and honest competition.

I am extremely proud to congratulate our only medal-winning team from the 1995 Canada Winter Games. I am sure Members will join me in providing richly deserved recognition to: Judy Goodzek; Mary Beth Miller; Moria Green; and coaches, Patti-Kay Hamilton and Pat Bobinski. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 75-12(7): Women's Biathlon Team - Canada Games Medals

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 76-12(7): Bill C-68 - Update

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, on behalf of the Caucus Subcommittee on Gun Control, I wish to provide an update on the status of Bill C-68, which amends the Criminal Code. A new Firearms Act was introduced in February 1995, and shortly afterwards was referred to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. Public hearings were held in Ottawa. On the 24th of April, our Caucus Subcommittee on Gun Control made a presentation to this parliamentary committee. At that time, we identified the serious concerns of northerners about the impact of Bill C-68 on our rights and way of life.

The committee criticized the severe penalties that would be imposed for possession of firearms without proper documentation and the provisions for lending, transferring and storage which were either unenforceable in the north or would result in injustices if enforced. We called for amendments which would suspend the application of Bill C-68 in the Northwest Territories. The governments of Saskatchewan, Alberta, the Yukon and Manitoba also presented briefs to the standing committee in May opposing the legislation. Recently, New Brunswick -- specifically, the Premier -- spoke out clearly in opposition, as well.

The James Bay Cree and the Yukon Council of Indians presented briefs on the 10th of May which challenged the constitutionality of the amendments, arguing that the amendments violated the terms of their land claims agreements (treaties), which require consultation on measures which affect their hunting rights. Ovide Mercredi of the Assembly of First Nations and Rosemary Kuptana of the Inuit Tapirisat of Canada appeared on May 15th and argued that the bill violates the rights of native people.

The federal government struck a firearms task force, comprised of officials, to consult with native groups on the impact and implementation of C-68. This task force met with groups in Iqaluit, Yellowknife, and other centres and has a whirlwind

schedule of consultation with aboriginal groups across the Northwest Territories. The government of the Northwest Territories has been extremely critical of the quality of this consultation, which began with little advance notice and little opportunity for a meaningful dialogue between aboriginal people and the members of this task force. We have expressed our criticisms of the process to the Department of Justice and to the Minister.

Minister Rock announced amendments to the bill which made inadvertent possession of a firearm contrary to the act a

summary conviction offence, in response to the criticism from virtually all intervenors that the proposed penalties in the bill for illegal possession were excessive. He also announced a change which will limit the powers of the police to search for firearms in a house. These amendments, while welcomed, do not go far enough to make Bill C-68 acceptable to the people of the north.

A controversy arose in late May when the Prime Minister was reported to have said that the costs of implementing C-68 were to be borne by the provinces. The Prime Minister and the Minister of Justice have since clarified that the upfront implementation costs would be borne exclusively by the federal government and, in the longer term, the costs of administering the firearms program would be covered by fees charged for the acquisition of licences and the registration of firearms.

Even with respect to the current firearms legislation, the federal government has taken the position that the costs would be covered by fees. The Government of the Northwest Territories has consistently expressed to the federal government that, whether in the context of current legislation and Bill C-68, the program cannot be self-financing in the north. Costs in the north are prohibitive. Moreover, many hunters cannot afford to pay any fees. The financing of the costs of administering gun control legislation, whether C-68 is passed in its present form

or not, must be the responsibility of the federal government and will, ultimately, come out of the pockets of taxpayers.

The standing committee wrapped up its hearings today and will likely report back to the House on Wednesday, June 7th. There will likely be a debate in the House of Commons, after which the bill will be referred to the Senate.

On June 1st, I wrote to the Senate on behalf of the Caucus subcommittee, inviting the Senate to visit and hold hearings in the Northwest Territories. The Senate does not have the power to defeat the bill, but could propose amendments which the House of Commons could accept or reject. We do not yet know if the Senate is prepared to hold hearings or if they're prepared to travel to the Northwest Territories.

People of the north, like all other Canadians, remain strongly opposed to the universal registration of firearms. We must continue to express our opposition at every available opportunity, but at this stage, it will be expressions from northerners from all walks of life which will have the greatest impact. The Legislative Assembly has stated its position clearly and, as other groups express the same position, it will become clear to the federal government that this is truly a grass-roots issue.

The federal government remains committed to Bill C-68 and so far is only prepared to make minor amendments. If we persist with our opposition and other Canadians do the same, there is still a chance that the federal government can be persuaded to make meaningful changes to this bill. Later today, I will table the resolutions and letters we have received from various community councils and organizations. Each details why the group is concerned and in opposition to Bill C-68. Thank you.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 76-12(7): Bill C-68 - Update

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 77-12(7): Nomination Of NWT Director To The Arctic Winter Games International Committee (awgic)

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Members of the House were asked to submit names of individuals deserving of a nomination to fill the vacant NWT director position on the Arctic Winter Games International Committee (AWGIC). I would like to thank those Members who did suggest individuals for this important volunteer position. In all, 11 people were nominated, making the final selection a challenge.

The Arctic Winter Games are governed by the Arctic Winter Games International Committee, comprised of two directors each from the NWT, Yukon and Alaska and one each from Alberta and Greenland. The NWT nominates one of its members from the public at large and the second position is filled by a senior government official. In making a decision on our nominees for the public at large director position, factors such as experience, availability and willingness of each individual to volunteer their time were considered.

Mr. Speaker, after carefully considering the many fine candidates, I am pleased to advise Members that I have nominated to the Arctic Winter Games International Committee, Mr. Don Sian of Iqaluit.

---Applause

Mr. Sian's nomination was forwarded to the Arctic Winter Games International Committee and ratified on May 31st. I will be pleased to distribute to Members later today a short biography of Mr. Sian. Members will see that he has the experience, skills and commitment required to represent the NWT effectively. As a resident of Iqaluit, Mr. Sian will provide valuable input from a Nunavut perspective in leading up to the creation of two new territories in 1999.

I would ask all Members to join me in congratulating Mr. Don Sian on his nomination to the AWGIC for appointment as an NWT director. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 77-12(7): Nomination Of NWT Director To The Arctic Winter Games International Committee (awgic)

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ng . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Thompson .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

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Election To The Legislative Assembly

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is with great pleasure that I rise in this House today as the newly-elected Member of the Legislative Assembly representing Aivilik. I would like to take this opportunity to thank my constituents in the communities of Chesterfield Inlet, Coral Harbour, and Repulse Bay for their support and faith in my ability to represent their interests. I can assure them that I will work extremely hard as their MLA to ensure that their needs are met and their concerns are addressed by this government.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to thank the Honourable John Todd for looking after the interests of Aivilik while the seat was vacant.

---Applause

Taking on this additional responsibility was very much appreciated by the citizens of my constituency.

To all Members of the Legislative Assembly, thank you for your warm welcome and your very kind offers of assistance should I have any questions or concerns. I look forward to working closely with all of you during this session. A special thank you is extended to David Hamilton for the time he has spent with me

Mr. Speaker, I recognize the challenge that lies before me, and I greet it with an open mind and the determination to succeed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson . Item 3, Members' statements. Ms. Mike .

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Member's Statement Welcoming Member For Aivilik To Assembly

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On behalf of Nunavut Caucus, I would like to congratulate and welcome our new Member for Aivilik , Manitok Thompson . We look forward to working with you in the remaining few months of our 12th Assembly. Welcome and thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Zoe .

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Member's Statement Extending Apologies To Constituents And Mlas

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today so that I can inform my colleagues in the Assembly that I want to apologize to my honourable colleagues regarding an unfortunate incident which I was involved in recently. This incident has caused me personal embarrassment.

Mr. Speaker, in the future I will make every effort to avoid placing myself in such an embarrassing situation, and I offer my sincerest apologies to my constituents. If this has caused any of my honourable colleagues embarrassment, I offer them as well my deepest apologies. Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Zoe . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .

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Member's Statement Extending Apologies To Constituents And Mlas

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today on a very important issue regarding an incident a week ago. First of all, I would like to apologize to my colleagues here in the Assembly for the incident that happened one week ago. I sincerely apologize. Also, it was a great embarrassment to me for the unfortunate thing that happened. But, Mr. Speaker, as for my constituents of Lake Harbour, Cape Dorset and Sanikiluaq, I want them to hear from me that I apologize deeply for what happened. I don't want to put my constituents down, but I did and that is very unfortunate and I sincerely apologize.

Even though that might be the case, my representation of those communities will not be altered as I have done in the past. I sincerely regret the incident that happened and I want to apologize to my constituents. That will not stop me from my deliberations in this House.

As a Member of the Legislation committee and also the Public Accounts committee, I wanted to rise today in this House. It will be up to those two committees whether they want to keep me on those committees, or if they want to let me go from those committees. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Drug And Alcohol Awareness Walk

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this past Friday afternoon all schools in the Yellowknife area took

part in what was probably the single largest participation event ever held in Yellowknife. Mr. Whitford and I joined about 2,300 marchers, which is about 14 per cent of the population of Yellowknife. The group was made up mostly of grades 4 to 12 students who marched through the streets of Yellowknife to the community arena, in the first Elks and Royal Purple drug and alcohol awareness walk ever held in Yellowknife.

Mr. Speaker, the organizers of this event did an exceptional job. They arranged for each school to wear T-shirts in different colours: yellow; white; turquoise; red; et cetera, and the event was organized and timed so that each school emerged onto Franklin Avenue one after the other to become one huge team parade of young people and colours. It was a successful participation event, not just because of the numbers who participated, but because the drug and alcohol abuse awareness message reached such a large percentage of the target population: kids from grades 4 through 12, the ages where most drug experimentation and use begins.

In Yellowknife, the prevalence of drug use by young people as well as the recent outbreak of youth crime, is disturbing to all of us. It is not simply a police problem or solely the responsibility of teachers and counsellors. It is a community problem to be addressed by all of us who live in the community. This was one of the messages that the Elks and its sister movement, the Royal Purple, were trying to get across in staging this event. Mr. Speaker, just as important was the goal to raise awareness among school kids of the social, psychological and financial costs of drugs.

There is no doubt that the organizers of this spectacular event deserve a great deal of credit for having achieved both those goals with flying colours.

The financial totals haven't been calculated yet, but organizers are pleased with the fund-raising efforts; in particular five major sponsors including BHP Diamonds; YK Direct Charge Co-op; RTL Robinson Enterprises; Creative Paper and Supplies; and, NorthwesTel provided substantial lump sums without which the whole event would not have been possible. The money raised is to be used to fund programs to teach young people about the dangers of drug and alcohol abuse, programs like information hotlines, crises centres, drug-free dances and so on.

Mr. Speaker, the Elks have raised the money and now it's up to all of us to come up with ideas for effective programs that can be used to fight the war on drug and alcohol abuse. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement Welcoming Member For Aivilik To Assembly

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon, Members. On behalf of the Ordinary Members' Caucus, I would like to welcome the new Member of the NWT Legislative Assembly, Mrs. Manitok Thompson .

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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Graduation Ceremonies Of The Native Women's Training Centre

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on Friday, May 26th, I was honoured to attend the graduation ceremonies of the Native Women's Association of the NWT Training Centre in Inuvik. This training centre is managed and operated by the Northwest Territories Native Women's organization. I would like to thank the Native Women's organization for managing the centre. I would also like to thank this government and the federal government, through the Canadian Employment and Immigration Commission, for providing funds to allow this program to continue.

The training centre now has their own building. It was a transfer of an old building from this government to them, and they've managed to raise the funds to renovate and now own and manage this building.

But the focus on this night was to honour the graduates. There were 13 people who were quite proud to receive their graduation certificates. It's an eight month program of basic awareness and basic reading, writing and arithmetic. A lot of these people have been away from school for a long time and are now getting back in to take some education. The graduates -- and I'll just name them -- are Jimmy Arey, Donna May Arey, Velma Cardinal, Jimmy Dillon, Elizabeth Firth, Cherie Harrison, Sarah McCullough, Anna Pingo, Joyce Rogers, Sadie Ruben, Joyce Stewart, Kristine Firth and Lena Avivgana.

I would like to congratulate these people on receiving their certificates and wish them all the best in the future. I would also like to thank the instructors and the administrators of this program and again thank this government and the federal government for their continued support.

They've also changed their name. Their program is now going to be called "Visions and Dreams." Mahsi.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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New Maritime Coastal Defence Vessels For Canadian Navy

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the next four years, the Canadian navy will receive 12 new Maritime coastal defence vessels. These general purpose ships will undertake a full range of coastal patrol duties including search and rescue missions, defence and sovereignty patrols, mine counter measures, operations and fishery patrols. This overall contract, valued at some $650 million, is scheduled for completion by the year 1999. At that time, the last vessel will be delivered to the navy with a final allocation of six ships each to the Pacific and the Atlantic oceans. They forgot the third ocean, Mr. Speaker, but we can work on that one after awhile.

These ships will be capable of conducting naval vessel tasks previously undertaken by larger vessels. In addition to providing traditional support to the navy, the new ships will supply more effective and efficient, cost-effective support, introducing expanding mine sweeping operations and capabilities and a superior capacity to inspect in this, the most important part, the ocean bottom.

These new ships will be named, representing cities. A ship's name represents a source of great pride to its company, and over time, the ship's identity and tradition takes on a very special meaning to the crew, building morale and esprit de corps.

In this particular case, the new ships will be named after a city or a town of each Canadian province and territory, thereby linking these communities across the nation. The lead ship will be named Kingston, and, once commissioned, another of the new vessels will be named the Yellowknife.

The Honourable David Collenette, Minister of National Defence, said it is fitting that we honour these strong communities across Canada with lasting and significant ties to the Canadian navy.

The Yellowknife will follow in the rich tradition of ships that carry the names of various cities during the last world war. These vessels formed the backbone of the Royal Canadian Navy and were providing escort services. They were instrumental in keeping the supply lines open between Europe and North America.

Mr. Speaker, I seek consent to conclude.

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Samuel Gargan

The member for Yellowknife South is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Complete your statement, Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. To conclude, Mr. Speaker, I would like to acknowledge the pride that we northerners can take in a new coastal defence vessel that will bear the name of the capital city of the Northwest Territories, Yellowknife, and we in the territories look forward to sharing an honoured northern name with this new ship. I would like to wish her safe sailing and a proud and distinguished future.

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Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Item 3, Members' statements. Are there any further? Mr. Ng .

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First Grade 12 Graduation Ceremonies In Coppermine And Cambridge Bay

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On May 27th and June 3rd, I had the honour of attending two historic events in the Kitikmeot. These days marked the occasion of the ceremonies for the first grade 12 students to graduate from Coppermine and Cambridge Bay.

Ceremonies were held May 27th at Kugluktuk School in Coppermine to recognize and honour Ms. Dawn Harvey and Mr. Amos Evyagoitalok; and on June 3rd at Killinik High School in Cambridge Bay to honour Ms. Angela Kadlun, Ms. Sherry Nulliayuk, Ms. Kim Tologanak, Mr. Terry Isnor and Mr. Andrew Porter.

As I stated earlier, these seven students are the first to graduate from the community-based grade 12 high school programs. There will be many more graduates to follow in the years to come as students remain in school for longer periods of time as a result of being able to stay in their home communities with the support and encouragement of their families and friends.

On behalf of all my constituents, I wish these seven graduates the best of success as they face the next challenge of continuing their education or entering into the workforce. I ask all Members to join me in congratulating them on their achievements and in wishing them success in their future endeavours. Thank you.

---Applause

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Welcoming Member For Aivilik To Assembly

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On behalf of the people of Rankin Inlet and Whale Cove, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate Ms. Manitok Thompson on her election as Member for the Aivilik riding. I have had the pleasure of knowing Mrs. Thompson , her husband, Tom, and her family for many years, and I know that Mrs. Thompson will do an excellent job as a Member of this Assembly in representing the interests of the Northwest Territories and Keewatin. Thank you.

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Grade 12 Graduation Ceremonies In Fort Simpson

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to recognize all the young people in the north who are at a turning point in their lives, their high school graduation ceremonies. That means that 12 years or more of their schooling is finished. It's over for them.

However, Mr. Speaker, education, as we all know, is a lifelong learning experience, and I encourage all the students and the graduates to continue in their education because I believe that education is very important and it's a key to a lot of success. It's a key for opportunities here in the north. There are studies which show that the best and better jobs go to better educated people. Therefore, I encourage the young people of the north to continue with their education.

Mr. Speaker, I just wanted to inform the House that on Saturday, June 3rd, I attended the Deh Cho divisional board high school graduation ceremonies in Fort Simpson along with you and your family, Mr. Speaker.

It was a very beautiful day. The ceremonies took place down on the Flats, as we call it in Fort Simpson, where we have a dance circle where the Pope went down to the papal site. It was a very nice day. Twelve students graduated out of the Deh Cho divisional board. This is the third year in a row where we have grade 12 students who graduated.

I would like to congratulate all 12 students. I am especially pleased to say that only two of the 12 actually came from Fort Simpson. That means that the rest came from the surrounding smaller communities, which is the type of achievement that we would like to have when we start having grade extensions back in the smaller communities.

So with that, I would like to congratulate the 12 students and wish them every success in the future.

---Applause

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Lack Of Federal Consultation Re Bill C-68

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not going to be setting a very good example to my new neighbour in the Assembly, who I welcome, because my statement today is longer than two minutes...

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

...but I am worked up about this issue, and I know Members will show some tolerance because this might be my last session in this Legislature.

---Laughter

I am tantalizing you. Mr.

Speaker, when your Caucus committee on Bill C-68 went on April 24th to make the first appearance after Justice Minister Allan Rock before the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, we noted that many Members of the specially appointed firearms task force were present in the committee room to hear our submissions about the major problems posed by Bill C-68: that it is not understood by the people of the north; that compulsory registration will not be respected in the NWT any more than the present firearms laws are respected; that Bill C-68 represented nothing less than a full-out frontal attack on our people's way of life on the land and that the bill would certainly have the effect of eroding respect for law and order and turning our people into a culture of criminals.

We urged Members of the committee, or the chairman, to come to the north to directly hear from our citizens to find out how this bill, as drafted, would undermine what is unique and special about our northern way of life. We were told by officials of the Department of Justice, who made up the firearms control task force, don't worry, we will soon be coming to the north to hear first hand from us, that this is how they would learn about our concerns and that this is how they would make changes to the implementation of the regime so that it would respect the aboriginal right to hunt and take into account our modern way of life outdoors in the north.

Mr. Speaker, this promise of consultation was a fraud and one of the most cynical efforts at manipulation I have ever seen in my 16 years of public service as an MLA in this Legislative Assembly. My constituents in Iqaluit were the first group of people in the NWT to be "consulted" by the firearms control task force. They were not consulted. They were shamelessly used and abused. I would like to get unanimous consent to continue, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Patterson . The Member for Iqaluit is seeking unanimous consent to complete his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Members. The fact that the leader of this delegation proudly identified herself as an aboriginal person who had previously worked for the Assembly of First Nations, made the manipulation and exploitation of my constituents even more upsetting.

Why am I so offended by what happened? Firstly, if you are serious about consulting people, you let them know in advance that you are coming. What did this group do the week before they came to Iqaluit? They called the secretary to the Qikiqtaaluk Wildlife Board to talk about a possible visit to Baffin. When he left the office on Friday, nothing had been confirmed. On Monday morning, when he came to work, he was astonished to find three members of the firearms control task force had arrived in Iqaluit the day before.

They wanted him to organize a meeting that morning before they caught the plane to Igloolik that afternoon. The president of the HTA was on his way out hunting. He was stopped, as he prepared to leave, on the beach loading his komatik, and very generously agreed to attend this very hastily called meeting. Other people were called on short notice to come to the meeting. As a result, it did not get under way until mid-morning.

When it became obvious that there was not time to even begin discussions of the implications of the bill that morning, participants were asked to continue through the lunch hour, but without lunch. When it became further obvious that there was not time to even begin to discuss the implications of the bill at that meeting, the committee had the nerve to suggest that their itinerary allowed them to be in Iqaluit the following Wednesday between 12:00 noon and their 3:00 pm plane to Rankin Inlet that afternoon and we could meet again between planes, they offered.

Mr. Speaker, this kind of approach is not consultation. This is a speeding express train. My constituents now know what it is like to have been railroaded.

At the end of the meeting, people from my constituency politely told members of the firearms task force that they would prefer to have materials circulated in advance and that they would prefer to be given notice of consultation visits. I was not so restrained. I told the members of the task force that their approach was totally unacceptable and warned them that they should not use this meeting as a justification to say they had consulted us. This was not consultation, I told them; this was a juggernaut! We do not want to be used to make the Minister's political agenda easier in Ottawa.

So, what did I hear a few days later on CBC Morningside when Peter Gzowski interviewed federal Justice Minister Allan Rock about this new bill? Peter Gzowski understands the north. He knew that we were feeling left out, overlooked and disregarded. So he asked Mr. Rock about the people of the north. He asked Mr. Rock about Rosemarie Kuptana's expressed concerns about Bill C-68. Mr. Gzowski said to Mr. Rock, "Ms. Kuptana says the Inuit do not feel consulted." Mr.

Rock replied, "But Peter, the Inuit Tapirisat themselves put us on to the people that we should consult in the meetings that are going on in the Arctic now. They identified which communities, which people, which groups should be involved in the consultation which has started. We have people in the Arctic doing that talking, listening and designing a way in which this should be implemented in aboriginal communities."

How shameful that Mr. Rock should suggest that Rosemarie Kuptana and ITC has bought into this sham of a consultation process.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that MLAs in this Assembly are against this bill, as drafted. Our Minister of Justice is against this bill. We heard his statement today on that subject and other statements he has made recently. The NWT Association of Municipalities is unanimously against this bill. NWT aboriginal leaders are against this bill. None of my constituents support this bill. So who will speak for us? Who will consult us properly and with respect? What safeguards does democracy provide for us? Democracy is not working very well here.

There is a majority in Parliament led by a Toronto Minister pushing his urban agenda on the minority in remote rural and northern communities. Considering the sham consultations, the lack of respect shown to my constituents, the federal Minister trying to implicate Rosemarie Kuptana and ITC in the sham, the federal Minister saying we are listening, considering the threats to muzzle our MPs, considering the rush to ram this bill through, this process looks more and more like manipulation and tyranny and less and less like democracy every day. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Patterson . Just a general reminder to the Members, we just had discussions regarding unsigned letters and the issue of us making statements about people who cannot defend themselves in this House. Just a reminder to keep that in mind when you make statements. I appreciate that good intention in the statement is there but I will point out that people cannot defend themselves and are being put in that situation.

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Lewis .

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Victory In Europe Celebrations

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. More than 20 years ago, when I moved to Yellowknife from the eastern Arctic, there were half a dozen people who lived in Yellowknife at that time who had fought in the First World War. Four of them had even been at the Battle of Vimy Ridge. Those people are now dead, however we have a generation of people who fought in the Second World War.

Mr. Speaker, I was in Europe just recently during the celebrations of the Victory in Europe Day. More than 20,000 Canadians went to Holland to help celebrate the 50th anniversary of the Victory in Europe. It reminded me of 1945 when, as a young kid, I remember every street having street parties. There were hundreds and hundreds of kids, races, dances in the streets and so on. I know many veterans in Yellowknife who fought in the Second World War and who were there during that time, realize that although it seems very remote, and such a long, long way away from here, that was the last world war, we hoped.

That war -- and Mr. Patterson has just remarked on what democracy is all about -- really, was to try to do something to protect the democratic institutions that we all value. It was a battle against dictatorships and totalitarian systems.

For that reason, many of the veterans from Yellowknife realized, after visiting Europe, that they should be doing something even here, as far away as we are, from where that war took place. It was a world war, it wasn't just a local war. It was something that embraced the whole world. I know very soon, Mr. Speaker, that you will be approached to see if the veterans can't do something to commemorate that anniversary in some form, through Mr. Whitford , in this great hall of ours.

I hope that we can give them a positive response, to recognize that that war really was to support and protect democratic institutions such as this, where the people are involved and you aren't pushed around just by one voice. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Lewis . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Kakfwi

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Lack Of Federal Preparation Re Bill C-68

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I was attending a Shihta regional council meeting in Deline last week. The task force on firearms legislation had originally planned to go to Norman Wells but apparently, with little over a day's notice, decided to go to Deline where, in fact, all the mayors, chiefs and Metis leaders were having meetings. As an MLA, there was no notice given to me of this and, as far as I know, none of the community leaders either had much prior notice.

I just want to reinforce the concerns stated by the Member for Iqaluit . But there is one thing that I think needs to be said here, because I know the task force went on to the Gwich'in communities and is planning to have further consultation meetings in this part of the Mackenzie Valley this week. The concern I want to share with Members is my observation at this meeting, that there were absolutely no organized presentations. There is a total absence of any

summary or description of the bill. Even a biased

summary of Bill C-68 would have been welcomed but there was none. There was no description or explanation of the bill in

summary form or in detailed form and there was no identification, whatsoever, of even present federal legislation on firearms.

So, for half of the evening -- and it was a four-hour meeting -- people were asking questions, just trying to get basic information. I found, along with the sham of consultation, the total lack of preparation and meaningful presentation or overview by this task force to be alarming. Thank you.

---Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Further Return To Question 482-12(7): Advice From Education Boards Re Drug Use In Schools

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this is a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Ballantyne on April 27, 1995, with regard to advice from education boards about drug use in schools.

In April, I indicated that I would be willing to contact each school board about the magnitude of the drug problem in each area. I have since learned that we already have that information. Our school health research project is currently being published which will give us information about the health knowledge, attitudes and behaviours of Northwest Territories young people in a whole variety of health areas. Drug use is one of those areas, along with mental health and self-concept, relationships with parents, friends and school, sexuality, alcohol and tobacco use, nutrition, dental care and the use of leisure time.

Not only has the information been compiled territorially, we compare Northwest Territories students to those in other parts of Canada, and are producing smaller reports by school board to give a clearer picture of what's happening in each area. I

will ensure that each Member receives both the full report as well as the smaller report for his or her area.

In terms of how the government might help, our plan is to disseminate the information as widely as possible, and we are working on the dissemination plan now. The decision to produce the reports by board was to facilitate effective responses and follow-up actions which might vary among boards. Through dissemination of the report, we are hoping to stimulate responses in a variety of ways. This will include responses by the government, but also at the regional and community levels, in a manner consistent with the community wellness strategy.

I appreciate your very timely question and will be happy to share our findings with you as soon as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Further Return To Question 488-12(7): Appointments Of Community Justices Of The Peace

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is in response to a question asked by Mr. Patterson on the 27th of April with regard to appointments of community justices of the peace.

A Justice of the Peace is appointed under

section 2.01 of the Justices of the Peace Act by the Commissioner in Executive Council. The term of the appointment is until the JP no longer resides in the NWT, reaches 75 years of age, resigns or is removed by the review council after hearing a complaint or matter relating to that particular Justice of the Peace.

Therefore, in most cases, a person with a Justice of the Peace appointment will retain the appointment if he or she moves from the NWT community where the appointment was made, to another NWT community. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

(Translation) Mr. Chairman, I am pleased to welcome the 23 students from St. Joseph's School with their teacher, Mr. Dumond. Welcome.

---Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize a gentleman who is a champion of the working man, Mr. Ben MacDonald of the UNW. Thank you.

---Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me pleasure to introduce, as well, Lydia Bardak...I can only do one? Oh, I'm sorry.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Just for the record, Mr. Whitford , Members are only allowed to recognize visitors in the gallery once. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, to honour the attempt by the Member for Yellowknife, I wish to recognize Lydia Bardak from the NWT Council for Disabled Persons.

---Applause

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Question 489-12(7): Status Of NWT Sales Tax

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the media last week, there were statements made by reporters indicating that this government was investigating the possibility of imposing a sales tax on residents of the Northwest Territories. Since the Minister of Finance isn't here, I would like to ask the Premier , is this government going to be imposing a sales tax on the residents of the Northwest Territories?

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Thank you, Mr. Koe . Mr. Koe , I will remind you that you cannot ask the Premier to deny or confirm a newspaper report. But the question was okay. Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the Minister of Finance is presently out on a telephone call with Mr. Ron Irwin. Regarding the question, Mr. Speaker, there have been no indications that the NWT government is planning to impose a sales tax. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, thank you for that clarification. This year's government and next year's government are going to be looking at deficits of around $130 to $150 million. I would like to get an indication from the Premier as to what steps this government is taking to deal with this horrific projected deficit?

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Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, I believe right at the moment we're exploring all possibilities of trying to live within our means as a government. The Minister of Finance and the system are beginning to look at budgets for the future year, recognizing that we will have a significant shortfall. All options are being explored and some of the options are just that: options. We are looking for workable solutions to the problem. In the next while, there will be lots of rumours about rumours, I'm sure, Mr. Speaker.

Because, in exploring those options, we are putting together research papers on what other provincial jurisdictions are doing and what types of options we have here, including the possibility of trying to conclude a northern energy accord so revenues will accrue to Northwest Territories residents.

There isn't anything we're overlooking and, certainly, if anyone has any wonderful ideas about how we can either accrue more revenues and do a better job with our financial situation, recognizing that there are programs and services which are necessities for people and we have to try our best to make sure those programs and people aren't suffering because of program cutbacks. Mr. Speaker, every avenue possible is being explored. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. The Premier mentioned that the Cabinet and the government is looking at options for revenue generation. One of the activities that is going on, I understand, is there might be a meeting this week of leaders involved in northern accord discussions. Other than the northern accord, what other specific initiatives are being looked at to generate new revenues for this government?

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Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, these discussions have been renewed in order to plot out some strategies for next year's budgeting. I would suggest that when the Minister of Finance is available -- because he has been doing that work -- it would be more appropriate to defer the question to the Minister of Finance . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 490-12(7): Status Of Negotiated Contracts Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Public Works and Services . Mr. Speaker, on April 12th, the Minister told the House that his department had prepared a draft negotiated contracts policy and that it would be going to Cabinet the week of the 24th to

the 28th of April. Would the Minister advise if the policy did, in fact, go to Cabinet that week?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do have that paper. We're finished now and it is in front of Cabinet. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister told the House earlier that the paper would be going to Cabinet during the week of the 24th of April. Can the Minister advise why it didn't go that week?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The reason the paper did not get to Cabinet on time is because proper signatures weren't there and the paper was not quite ready. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Assuming that the paper is ready and the proper signatures are now on it, is the Minister planning to take it to Cabinet this week?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As soon as I can get it to Cabinet, I will. Then I will make a copy available to the Members. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister had, on April 12th in this House, made a commitment that the policy would be tabled. Seeing as how this session is scheduled to end by next Thursday, will the Minister commit to tabling that policy by next Thursday?

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Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I'll make every effort to table the policy in this House. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment with regard to a position of a youth coordinator. In the past, Mr. Speaker, this position was under the Department of Social Services, but I understand that this was turned over to the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. A little while ago I tried to find out who this youth coordinator was. I called the Department of Social Services, I got the run-around. I phoned the Department of Education, Culture and Employment and I really didn't get a reply. So I would like to ask the Minister directly who is the youth coordinator in his department.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't know who the youth coordinator is, but I'll get the information and provide it to the Member.

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Question 492-12(7): Funding For Western Arctic Constitutional Negotiations

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The government has invested considerable amounts of money into the development of a Constitution for the western territory. I would like to ask the Minister responsible for aboriginal rights and constitutional development, in light of the fact that this process is deemed to be on hold at the moment until there is a commitment of funding, whether the Government of the Northwest Territories has committed any money to the process.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the members of the Constitutional Development Steering Committee have asked the federal government for an ongoing commitment of $1 million to continue the work to develop a constitution for the government of the western territory. The members of the Constitutional Development Steering Committee have asked the Government of the Northwest Territories to also commit an amount of $500,000 to the same process. This government has responded, committing an amount in that neighbourhood

and fully expecting that the federal government will very shortly come forward with the commitment for $1 million. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister whether this $500,000 identified is contingent upon full cooperation with the federal government.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the federal government has been on record since 1981 as supporting the process that involves all people of the Northwest Territories in the constitutional development and the political future of the north. It has consistently supported and funded these processes. For the last few years, the federal government has again funded and supported this process. It has also been this government's position that we are partners with all the other aboriginal groups in this process.

That is, we're not leading it, we're simply one member of a large team of people putting together our political future and our constitutional future in one process. The federal government is expected to continue to support this process, to believe in it -- at least the federal Minister has indicated that he supports the process, he supports the creation of a single territory, the creation of a public aboriginal government for all people of the Northwest Territories -- and we fully expect him, very shortly, to come up with the $1 million that is required to continue this process.

We don't expect anything different.

If the support, for whatever reason, should not be forthcoming, then we have to ask whether the federal government has had a last-minute change of heart; whether they no longer support the creation of a single territory; whether they no longer support the creation of a public aboriginal government for all people of the territories; and whether they've had a change of heart that $1 million is not worth it, what the possibilities of the Constitutional Development Steering Committee holds for all people of Canada, let alone the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We get mixed messages about how positive the federal government is about the process and the kind of commitment that exists. I would like to ask the Minister, by what date does he expect to get a response on the commitment of the federal government of the $1 million that he has referred to.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I never expect the federal government to be taking so long in coming forward with commitments. But as was said once recently, the present federal Minister has 100 fires going and he is having a hard time attending to them all and also having difficulty remembering why he started so many. So when he is going to focus his attention on this particular issue is anybody's guess. I hope he follows the good advice of his officials and takes a good, unbiased look at the record of support and commitment to this process by previous governments since 1981, both federal and territorial, and continue to do the right thing. Thank you.

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Question 493-12(7): Update On Northern Accord Negotiations

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for mines, Mr. Todd . I wonder if Mr. Todd could give us an update of the northern negotiations. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The latest, as they say, is that tomorrow we will be meeting with most of the leadership of the aboriginal groups who are keenly interested in this accord. I'm optimistic, as I've said from the beginning, that we can make an arrangement. I had originally set a deadline of May 31st to see if there was a collective position we could take. There were some problems, as most Members know, with respect to the definition of self-government and how it related to this accord.

I think that with some of the groups -- not all of the groups, I have to be frank -- it appears we are close to a compromise in terms of making arrangements to move forward in reaching a collective position that we can take to the federal government. However, tomorrow I will meet directly with the political leadership. I've indicated to them, as I will indicate to this House, that if we reach an arrangement, it has to be made by the 14th of June, certainly prior to the closing of this Assembly.

I'm optimistic that the majority of the aboriginal groups, First Nations and claimant groups, will be with us as we move forward after the 15th to Ottawa to seek an arrangement to put additional revenue into the hands of this government to keep the level of services we currently have in place. Thank you.

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Question 494-12(7): Review Of Dene-metis Hangar Proposal For Fort Smith

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1120

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Public Works , with respect to the status of the hangar proposal submitted by the Dene-Metis. We all know in this House that the Dene-Metis was to submit a proposal by April 30th of this year. The Minister made a visit to Fort Smith, Mr. Speaker, on May 19th and, at the time, indicated to me that this proposal submission would go to the Cabinet the first week of June. I would like to know whether the proposal developed by the Dene-Metis has been reviewed by Cabinet as of this date. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for Government Services and Public Works and Services, Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, it has not been reviewed yet. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister indicate the time frame it will take for Cabinet to review this proposal? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have many issues on the Cabinet agenda, and this is just one of the many issues. We're setting up different Cabinet meetings for this week as well as next week to try to deal with all of them. It will be on the list with the rest. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I recognize that there are probably a lot of issues that Cabinet has to deal with. I would like to ask the Minister, would he be able to make a commitment and indicate whether a decision regarding the proposal submitted by the Dene-Metis to build a hangar in Fort Smith will be made prior to this session being concluded? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't make a commitment on behalf of my Cabinet colleagues about whether they will make a decision on any paper. But I will make a commitment that it will be presented to Cabinet prior to the end of the session, as soon as we get it on the agenda. Thank you.

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The Speaker

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Question 495-12(7): Bip Status Of Nova Construction

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1120

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Public Works and I gave him a few hours' notice of this one today. The Minister knows that I have been very curious about the BIP status of Nova Construction, particularly about the place of residence of Mr. Mike Mrdjenovich, the owner of Nova. I recently received a letter from the Minister telling me that Nova is approved under the BIP and Mr. Mrdjenovich has a valid NWT health care card, driver's licence, maintains a Yellowknife address and phone number and, therefore, meets the current registration criteria of the BIP.

My question, Mr. Speaker, is I've checked the current Yellowknife phone directory and I've also asked for directory assistance and there is no listing for a Mr. Mike Mrdjenovich by any spelling. The Minister tells me in his letter that Mr. Mrdjenovich maintains a Yellowknife telephone number. Does the Minister have Mr. Mrdjenovich's phone number because it's not in the book and it's not in directory assistance. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Public Works and Government Services...Point of order, Mrs. Marie-Jewell .

Point Of Order

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

We're all aware of the ruling presented to Members of this House respecting the naming of individuals of the public. I think Mr. Patterson , with all due respect, has not violated your ruling but has forgotten about it. I would like you to, possibly, review Hansard to see whether it is appropriate for Members like us to name specific individuals in questions to Ministers. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I understand that there is communication between Mr. Mrdjenovich and Mr. Morin and also that, as a shareholder, Mr. Mrdjenovich's name is public knowledge. The question is fair, it's not attacking the character of an individual, but asking for information about an individual. So, I see no point of order here. Mr. Patterson , your point of order.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

I will decline, in light of your ruling, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

---Laughter

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I don't have the principal owner of Nova Construction's phone number. It must be a private number that he doesn't want people to have. He hasn't even given it to me when he has called. But I do have his address, and it's: 5003 Forrest Drive. That's his house. And he does have a mortgage on that house with CIBC for $163,000.

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Some Hon. Members

Ooh.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

He pays $340 a week at nine per cent interest and he has over $35 million invested in property in the Northwest Territories. That's information he gave to my office about an hour ago. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Again, I must remind Ministers about revealing personal information about an individual unless it is public knowledge.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

It is now.

---Laughter

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Samuel Gargan

Well, it is now, but wasn't prior to the Minister's response. I would like to remind the Minister that if it is public knowledge, then information should be provided. If it isn't, then it shouldn't be. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to clarify to you that I was not seeking personal financial information. I asked the Minister if he knew the phone number, which is not listed in the directory as being unlisted at the customer's request, by the way.

My supplementary question, Mr. Speaker, since the Minister has indicated that the owner of Nova Construction, who I need not name...

---Laughter

...does own a house in Yellowknife, I would like to ask the Minister, in order to meet current BIP criteria which the Minister has said Nova Construction and its owner meet, does it matter whether the owner lives in the house or just that he maintains it and pays a mortgage and taxes? Does it matter whether he lives in the house? Thank you.

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As long as a construction company owner has a Northwest Territories health care card, a driver's licence and maintains an address in the Northwest Territories, he is eligible under the BIP for northern preference. That's how the rules are to date. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So, to me, maintaining a house is keeping it standing and paying taxes and paying the mortgage. I take it from the Minister's answer then that it doesn't matter whether the house is empty or not, whether the owner and his family lives in, let's say Alberta, is irrelevant to the BIP as long as the house is maintained. Is that the current requirement of the BIP as far as the residency of owners are concerned in the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is correct that as long as he owns the house an