Oral Questions, Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act — 26 April 1995 (12th Assembly, 7th Session, pp. 1041–1073)
1995-04-26, 12th Assembly 7th Session, pp. 1041–1073
Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)
Debates of April 26th, 1995
This is page numbers 1041 - 1073 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.
The word of the day was violence .
Topics
Members Present
Item 1: Prayer
Firearms Legislation
Construction Of New Recreation Complex In Inuvik
Presentation To Federal Government Re Bill C-68
Congratulating Long-term Civil Servants
Firearms Acquisition Certificates
Agriculture Development In The Nwt
Convocation Of Students From Aurora College
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery
Policy Re Outside Employment Of Rcmp Officers
Status Of Air Medevac Standards
Determination Of Sustenance Hunter
Increase In Child Welfare Apprehensions
Change In Graduation Certification
Additional Procedures Re Gun Control Legislation
Status Of Consultant For Study On Financing The NWT Government
Status Of Plans For Nunavut Human Resource Training Conference
Item 10: Petitions
Committee Report 8-12(7): Standing Committee On Finance Report On Bill 30, Deficit Elimination Act
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Bill 32:
An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2
Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters
Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96Committee Report 4-12(7): Report On The Review Of The 1995-96 Main Estimates
To Adopt Recommendation 15
To Amend Clause 3 Of Bill 1
To Amend
Schedule Of Bill 1
Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole
Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills
Bill 1: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1995-96
Item 22: Orders Of The Day
Members Present
Mr. Antoine , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe
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---Prayer
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 1041
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Pudlat . Mr. Kakfwi .
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 1041
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I wish to raise a point of privilege.
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 1041
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Go ahead, Mr. Kakfwi .
Point Of Privilege
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 1041
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I rise on a matter of privilege regarding comments made in the Hay River Hub column "On the Ledge" by Ms. Devine on April 25, 1995. Ms. Devine says the following, and I quote: "According to CBC, Kakfwi said he simply won't enforce the new law if it goes through, as is."
Mr. Speaker, Ms. Devine is mischievous and wrong. I did not say I would not enforce the new law. Ms. Devine has not spoken to me and is using a CBC reporter's comments and attributing them to me. I believe this is a lazy, irresponsible, lumpy, deadline-form of scribbling for journalism and she did not check her facts. In fact, it is not up to this government or myself, as a Minister, to enforce Bill C-68, should it pass. The federal Minister of Justice is also the Attorney General for the Northwest Territories. He has the responsibility for prosecutions in the Northwest Territories, he will have to enforce this law should it come into force.
Should we assume responsibility for prosecutions, the Minister of Justice , whoever it is, would have no choice but to enforce the law. This is, in part, why we're working so hard to seek amendments to this legislation before it is passed by Parliament. Thank you.
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Item 1: Prayer
Item 1: Prayer
Page 1041
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .
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Minister's Statement 73-12(7): Firearms Legislation
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 1041
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, on February 27th of this year, this Legislative Assembly expressed concern about the negative impact on northern residents of Bill C-68,
An Act Respecting Firearms and Other Weapons, and unanimously supported a motion to present those concerns to the Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs at its hearings in Ottawa. A subcommittee on gun control was formed for this purpose, consisting of the following honourable Members: Mr. Patterson , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Ningark , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. Koe , and myself, as chairperson.
The Members of this subcommittee met on several occasions to develop our position and to settle upon an approach that would address the interests of all northerners who would be adversely affected if Bill C-68 is brought into force without amendments. Our approach to this issue focused on the concerns of northerners, in general, and aboriginal people in particular.
Our work, which was conducted in the true spirit of consensus government, resulted in the preparation of a brief on Bill C-68, which I propose to table later this afternoon. I will also table copies of the oral presentation I made on behalf of this Legislature. Mr. Antoine prepared his own submission and he plans to table this as well. As you will see, we endeavoured to put before the standing committee all of the concerns expressed by many of our constituents, as well as a review of the legal issues.
All Members of our subcommittee spoke and the position was well-received by the standing committee. While in Ottawa, committee Members met individually with several Members of Parliament, including our northern MPs, Mr. Anawak and the Honourable Ethel Blondin-Andrew, to discuss our concerns.
While the presentation to the standing committee went well, it is only a beginning. It is going to take a lot of work from northerners and others who want changes, before significant amendments will be made to the proposed legislation. For the moment, however, we can take some comfort that we made an impact on the Members of the standing committee, which is an essential feature of any strategy to influence meaningful amendments to Bill C-68 and to minimize the negative impact of the proposed firearms legislation. Thank you.
---Applause
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Minister's Statement 73-12(7): Firearms Legislation
Item 2: Ministers' Statements
Page 1042
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements.
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Construction Of New Recreation Complex In Inuvik
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1042
Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to inform Members of the developments relating to the construction of the new recreation complex in Inuvik. The recreation complex is a project that has been in the planning stages for many, many years and in the last few years, we've been able to move forward substantially, to the point where we're now starting to put nails in wood and get a building up.
Mr. Speaker, in spite of the substantial setbacks and demoralizing outcome of the recent Arctic Winter Games bid process, the people of Inuvik have taken new heart and new energy. They're confident that this government will take appropriate corrective action to ensure an effective and equitable selection criteria and process is developed so that all communities are able to bid on an equal basis for future Arctic Winter Games.
Inuvik has demonstrated that it is a community that possesses great initiative, complemented with a capable, competent and active volunteer base. A community-wide effort is now being made to ensure that there is successful fund-raising and timely construction of a new recreation complex for Inuvik. Once again, residents from the community have pulled themselves together to act and have committed themselves to achieving success for this project.
A new, revitalized volunteer fund-raising committee has been formed to oversee and coordinate fund-raising operations for the new recreation complex. A strong, broad-based fund-raising strategy is currently being implemented. They have a target to raise $1.4 million. The other $3 million required for this $4.4 million project has been identified and funds are currently being secured.
Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.
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Construction Of New Recreation Complex In Inuvik
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1042
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
The Member for Inuvik is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Koe .
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Construction Of New Recreation Complex In Inuvik
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1042
Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Virtually all community organizations are involved in the process and overwhelming support has been received to date. Schools are pitching in, the aboriginal organizations are involved, volunteer and community organizations are assisting, local businesses are rallying to provide support and services in kind, and large corporations are also coming on line as partners and contributors. I would like to thank the Government of the Northwest Territories for their full support and also all the other corporate and individual sponsors who have already contributed to this project.
Phase I of the construction is now under way. Last week, five truckloads of material rolled into town and the foundation work is now beginning. Tetlit'zheh Construction from Inuvik has been retained as the project manager. The shell of the complex will be erected over the summer and interior work will continue throughout the fall. Mr. Speaker, we anticipate having a skating party next Christmas to celebrate the grand opening.
Phase II is in the planning stages and, hopefully, will be under way fairly soon. Phase II is the construction of a multi-purpose community hall which would be an addition to the recreation complex. The town of Inuvik has already committed substantial financing to this phase and is trying to pull together the additional funding resources. With the support of the Minister of MACA and this Assembly, we expect to begin construction of phase II concurrent with Phase I. It is anticipated that if this happens, it will result in substantial savings in construction costs.
The community of Inuvik supports this project and we trust that Members of this Assembly will recognize, applaud and endorse the commitment, enthusiasm, resources and energy that Inuvik is enlisting in this project. Mahsi cho.
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Construction Of New Recreation Complex In Inuvik
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Koe . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .
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Presentation To Federal Government Re Bill C-68
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1042
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will speak in my language. Yesterday evening, we came back from our trip to Ottawa. Several Members of this government went to make a presentation to the committee working on Bill C-68. Several Members went to Ottawa and we talked to them on Monday. The Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs consists of Members of Parliament working on the gun control legislation.
We had a conference with our Member of Parliament, Ethel Blondin-Andrew. She is not sitting on the committee, but we talked with her. The committee is gathering information about the bill. Monday was the first day that they sat and the Justice Minister , Allan Rock, spoke to the participants. We also had a conference with him. I feel that our presentation was good. Our Minister of Justice , Stephen Kakfwi , made a good presentation. I also gathered information from my constituents and made a presentation. I feel that the two hours we spent talking to them were good.
I feel that the federal government doesn't always think the same way as we do and so it will be hard to change their minds. Canada is a very big country. There are people living from Nova Scotia to BC and we don't all live the same way. Also, many people live in the cities. I am running out of time, Mr. Speaker. If it is okay, I would like to finish what I'm talking about.
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Presentation To Federal Government Re Bill C-68
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1042
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
(Translation) The Member for Nahendeh is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Antoine .
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Presentation To Federal Government Re Bill C-68
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1042
Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
(Translation) Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. What I was saying is that Canada is a very big country and there are a lot of people. People who live up here are very different; the Inuit
and Dene are people who live on the land. I feel that I made a fairly good presentation covering this. In the cities, there are a lot of crimes involving guns and this is why, I feel, they want to change the gun laws.
In this land, we will have to abide by this gun law as well. I feel that a lot of people who use guns in the north would suffer as a result of that. People who are using guns would have to take safety courses, only after they have taken safety courses will they be able to receive gun certificates. They will also have to register all guns. If we have to register our guns with the police, we will have to pay for it.
There are many people in the communities who own guns. I also possess about eight guns. Some people possess even more than that. Also, native people lend guns to each other. With this law, if we are going to continue living in our traditional ways, it would be hard for us. This is what I am talking about today. Thank you.
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Presentation To Federal Government Re Bill C-68
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1043
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ballantyne .
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Congratulating Long-term Civil Servants
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1043
Michael Ballantyne
Yellowknife North
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to recognize those GNWT employees who were recently honoured at a long-service ceremony held here in the great hall. The ceremony was presided over by the Honourable John Pollard , the chairman of the Financial Management Board . It was attended by myself and my colleagues, Mr. Dent , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Lewis and Mr. Zoe .
Mr. Speaker, residents of the Northwest Territories owe a great deal to the dedication, hard work and loyalty those individuals who have served 15, 20 and 25 years and all the people that they represent. They've been part of profound change here in the Northwest Territories. We've evolved from the days when Commissioner Stu Hodgson called all the shots, to today, when we have a fully-elected Legislative Assembly where the Cabinet calls many of the shots.
---Applause
We now have strong aboriginal organizations, strong regions, many claims have been settled and more will be settled on the horizon. We're dealing with self-government issues, we're dealing with treaty rights, and Nunavut will be created in 1999. Those people who have been here for the last 25 years have been part of these tremendous changes, and I would like to name them for the record, Mr. Speaker. Barbara Mills, Bernie Straker, Jean Grimard, Carole Lane, Carolyn McCabe, Mary Beauchamp, Blair Dunbar, Phyllis Sartor, Roland Gosselin and Eric Smith.
Mr. Speaker, today and in the past, civil servants have been criticized by many people in our society. I think the criticism wasn't fair and every day continues to be less fair. We're asking these civil servants to do more and more with less and less. They are under increasing pressure to do the sorts of things we feel are important to serve the people of the Northwest Territories. And any of us who have worked in this
system know how important those dedicated, loyal civil servants are to us.
So, Mr. Speaker, we owe a large debt of gratitude to those professional civil servants who have served us so well. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
---Applause
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Congratulating Long-term Civil Servants
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Ballantyne . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Patterson .
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Firearms Acquisition Certificates
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1043
Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I was privileged to be part of the Caucus Subcommittee on Bill C-68 which has been talked about in this House today. But I want to speak about a specific issue that has come to my attention, as a Member of that committee.
In the course of researching in my constituency the possible impacts of this bill on my constituents, I checked out just how the present provisions of Bill C-17, which is now law, are actually working in my constituency. I've found out that there are very many concerns with the implementation of the presentation legislation, and particularly the more complex process that is now in place for acquiring a firearms acquisition certificate. The form is now four pages long, it has not been translated, it requires two passport-size photos. Now, Mr.
Speaker, even in Iqaluit, which is one of the largest communities in Nunavut, it is difficult to get a passport photo and it's very difficult and a real barrier, I know, in smaller communities in Nunavut.
But the biggest concern I have is about the discretion being employed by the RCMP who are taking applications for these FACs when they consider whether they will waive payment of the $50 fee. They are supposed to waive payment of the fee where an applicant is deemed to be hunting for subsistence. Now, Mr. Speaker, it has come to my attention that it is the practice of the RCMP in Nunavut communities in determining whether they will waive the fee that they will only waive the fee for people who are found to be on welfare.
Mr. Speaker, it was always our understanding that the criteria for deciding who is a subsistence hunter should be whether or not that person holds a general hunting licence. There are many GHL holders who are proud not to be on welfare. They are self-reliant, self-employed people, but they are not always rich and they cannot always afford the $50 fee that is required for this firearms acquisition certification.
---Applause
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Firearms Acquisition Certificates
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Patterson . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .
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Agriculture Development In The Nwt
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1044
Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I want to talk about the sad decline in agriculture in the north. You see the sun shining, the snow is melting, the soil is starting to warm up and it will soon be ready to do some planting if people are so inclined. However, Mr. Speaker, with the exception of a few small private gardens and the Paradise Gardens of Hay River, the vast fields of vegetables and fruits that I remember seeing when I was growing up appear to be a thing of the past. People used to grow potatoes, cabbage, carrots, beets, turnips and lettuce; fruits included raspberries, saskatoons and rhubarb.
All this produce flourished in and around the communities of Fort Smith, Fort Resolution, Fort Simpson, Hay River and as far down as Aklavik.
When I was growing up in Fort Smith, I used to help my grandfather plough the fields that he owned and those that he used. He planted and harvested all of these products that I previously mentioned. The Roman Catholic mission there established a farm on the flats of the Salt River about 20 miles west of Fort Smith. The St. Bruno farm flourished for a good many years producing milk, beef and grains, and were able to supply these goods to the parish at Fort Smith and to the St. Anne's Hospital there.
Today, we have the technology that has improved methods of planting. We also produce seeds that can withstand our coldest spring temperatures. In spite of our successful history in agriculture here in the north and the potentially productive soils, our fields remain unplanted and fallow. Where some of the most bountiful produce once grew, only weeds grow now. The meadows that once grew hay are now almost overgrown with willows.
The need for produce is still there. The soil is still there. What seems to be missing is the incentive and the encouragement that northerners might need to help them return to an agriculture success that our parents and grandparents once enjoyed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Agriculture Development In The Nwt
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Whitford . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Nerysoo .
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Convocation Of Students From Aurora College
Item 3: Members' Statements
Page 1044
Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wanted to rise, Mr. Speaker, to acknowledge an event that for me and for many others is important. That is the convocation of students from Arctic College, now Aurora College.
Mr. Speaker, with you in attendance at the Fort Smith convocation which included the Honourable Ethel Blondin-Andrew and the Member for Thebacha , Jeannie Marie-Jewell , we had an opportunity to see an event that we are all proud of whenever we see our students graduating from post-secondary institutions.
Mr. Speaker, I want to pay particular tribute to young people from my particular constituency and my region: Joyce Blake of Inuvik; Ruby Blake; Louisa Kaye; Abraham Stewart; and, Kimberly Vaneltsi from Fort McPherson. I also wanted to recognize the graduation of the Retias sisters. Mr. Speaker, I want to thank all the people who travelled from the Mackenzie Delta and the surrounding region who visited. I think without their support and involvement, the success of the students would not have been possible.
In concluding, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank you for being in attendance along with the Member for Thebacha . I think it's an indication of the kind of support that this Assembly gives all our students. I want to pay tribute to your contribution and also the Hatlo Dene Drummers from Hay River for their contribution to the event.
I want to thank the staff, Ms. Gilles, Mr. Holtorf and all the students involved in the organization of the event. Again, congratulations to all of those graduates, wherever they may have come from, who were successful in completing their studies. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Convocation Of Students From Aurora College
Item 3: Members' Statements
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . Item 3, Members' statement. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .
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Return To Question 433-12(7): Federal Royalties From Nwt Oil And Gas
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 1044
John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Antoine on April 7th with respect to federal royalties from oil and gas. The federal government receives royalties from oil and gas production at the Norman Wells, Bent Horn and Pointed Mountain fields. The first two are oilfields and the latter produces gas.
Norman Wells royalties are governed by the 1944 Norman Wells proven area agreement. Under this agreement, Imperial Oil owns two-thirds of the field production and pays the federal government a five per cent royalty on this production. The federal government owns the remaining one-third of the field and receives the net income from this production. The "Crown share" is a form of royalty. The combined income to the federal government from these royalties is about $45 million a year.
Royalties from the Pointed Mountain gas field are calculated on the basis of 10 per cent on the first 76 per cent of production and 15 per cent on the balance. Royalties from this field average slightly over $300,000 per year. Bent Horn pays royalties at a flat rate of 10 per cent. They amount to an average of $16,000 per year.
I would note for all Members that, at present, all royalties collected from oil and gas activities in the Northwest Territories only flow to the federal government. Thank you.
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Return To Question 433-12(7): Federal Royalties From Nwt Oil And Gas
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 1044
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi .
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Further Return To Question 448-12(7): Consultation With Legal Profession Re Cuts To Legal Interpreting Services
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions
Page 1045
Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I have two returns to oral questions. First, in response to Mr. Patterson , a question he asked on April 19, 1995 about whether or not there had been any consultations with judges, the defence bar, Crown prosecutors and legal aid clinics on the cutbacks and changes proposed for the legal interpreting program.
Officials of the Department of Justice have had discussions about the proposed changes to the delivery of the legal interpreter training program with members of the judiciary of the Supreme and Territorial courts, both in the regions and in Yellowknife, and with the director of the Crown Attorney's office at the federal Department of Justice office in Yellowknife. Following these discussions, a concern was expressed about adequate interpreter services being available for court.
During the 1994-95 fiscal year, the department spent in excess of $100,000 for interpreting services provided in court. The department intends to maintain expenditures at the level necessary to ensure adequate interpreter services continue to be available. The department shares the concern that training must be continued in order to meet the needs of the court.
The training program will only change in terms of who delivers it. An interdepartmental committee has been formed to determine how best to deliver interpreter training. The department is represented on the committee in order to ensure that the standards developed by the current legal interpreter training program for interpreter training will be maintained under a new training model.
Comments received pursuant to discussions with the judiciary and the Crown about proposed changes were forwarded to Avery, Cooper & Co. These comments and the subsequent consultation undertaken by Avery, Cooper & Co. with judges, lawyers and others will be considered when looking at alternatives to the current training procedures.
The committee has received two drafts of the consultant's report and is currently reviewing the second draft. The recommendation in both drafts emphasizes maximizing the benefits of all interpreter programs by offering one complete program through Arctic College. The department's recent actions with regard to the legal interpreter training program are well-aligned with the recommendations of the report. The department anticipated the fiscal problems the program was facing as well as the probable solution, as recommended by the consultant.
Mr. Patterson also said that it was his understanding that there are four vacant Inuktitut interpreter terminologist positions. In fact, there is only one Inuktitut interpreter terminologist position and it is currently being staffed to fill a vacancy.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I have a return to another oral question, this one asked by Ms. Mike , a question she asked on the 6th of April. Ms Mike asked what the qualifications of the official languages coordinator were, in the context of a series of questions on the effect of lay-off notices in the legal interpreter training program. Upon reviewing this series of questions and the responses to them, it would be useful to clarify that the official languages coordinator is an employee of the Department of Justice, while the official languages unit, with responsibilities for official languages policy throughout the government, is based in the Department of the Executive.
An interdepartmental committee has been formed to determine how best to deliver interpreter training, given the federal government cutbacks for French and aboriginal languages. The mandate of the committee is to eliminate possible duplication of the costs for interpreter training programs and to maximize the benefits of each program for all persons taking training.
Avery, Cooper & Co. has been contracted by the Department of Education, Culture and Employment to conduct a study and recommend how the government can best deliver interpreter training programs for all types of interpreters, given severely decreased funding. Interpreter training programs are currently offered through the Departments of Education, Culture and Employment, Health and Social Services, and Justice. Following the review, the program for training interpreters will be adjusted in order to eliminate possible duplication of services, while maintaining our ability to train qualified medical, legal and general-purpose interpreters.
The final report from the study will be submitted to the interdepartmental committee by the end of May. The committee will use the report as a basis to make recommendations to Cabinet about how best to deliver interpreter training. Thank you.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Kakfwi . Item 4, return to oral questions. Mr. Nerysoo .
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
The federal regulations require that all tents governed by the regulations be constructed of fire retardant materials, and that all tents sold in stores conform with the requirements set out in the regulations. I will provide full details about the federal regulatory structure to the Member, by letter, this week. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Patterson .
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have not been in the House this week, I understand Mr. McDonald has been here. I was unable to recognize him because I was in Ottawa. So I would like to recognize him today -- Mr. Ben McDonald of the UNW -- and also note that he has been here on other days and was not recognized by any other honourable Members, unfortunately. Thank you.
---Applause
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to recognize an individual who is dear to my heart, in the gallery, and that is my twin sister Margaret Rose Elleze.
---Applause
Margaret is 15 minutes my elder.
---Laughter
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I heard on the radio and read in the papers about a recent plebiscite that was held proposing a liquor outlet in Coppermine. I understand the plebiscite was defeated by the community so, basically, the issue is finished as far as a liquor outlet goes. What concerns me, Mr. Speaker, is the proponent of the proposal to open a liquor outlet in Coppermine, as I understand it, is a local RCMP officer who works in the community of Coppermine. I would like to ask the Minister of Justice what the policy is regarding RCMP officers and their abilities to seek private sector opportunities, especially related to liquor outlets in our communities.
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Samuel Gargan
Minister of Justice , Mr. Kakfwi .
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I will take the question as notice and speak to the chief superintendent at the earliest opportunity. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Dent .
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Question 472-12(7): Status Of Air Medevac Standards
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Health and Social Services. Mr. Speaker, on April 5th when we were considering the budget of Health and Social Services in committee of the whole, I asked the Minister about air medevac standards. The Minister advised that the objective was to finalize standards for air medevacs by June 30, 1995. I understand, however, that recently a request for proposals was issued by the department asking for air medevac operators in the Mackenzie and Kitikmeot and western Arctic regions. Could the Minister advise whether or not the standards have already been finalized for air medevacs?
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Samuel Gargan
Minister of Health and Social Services, Madam Premier .
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I do not believe that the standards have been completed at this time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Samuel Gargan
Mr. Dent , supplementary.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister, also on that day, assured the House that she would distribute copies of the draft standards to Members of this Assembly at the same time they're being made available to operators. Since there is a request for proposals out there, the standards must have been distributed to some of the operators; yet, none of the Members I know have copies of the draft standards yet. Could the Minister please explain why that situation has developed?
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I will check into the matter and get back to the Member, and take that question as notice. Thank you.
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The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Patterson .
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Question 473-12(7): Determination Of Sustenance Hunter
Item 6: Oral Questions
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Minister of Justice . I believe, Mr. Speaker, that in conjunction with our discussing the problems of implementing the present provisions of Bill C-17, the Minister is aware of my concern that some RCMP who are accepting these applications are determining whether to waive the fee for an FAC based on whether a person is on welfare. I would like to ask the Minister whether he believes whether a person is on welfare should be the criteria for determining whether a person is a sustenance hunter. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I will be seeking a meeting with the chief superintendent of the RCMP in order to put the question to the chief superintendent. Under the present laws governing firearms and acquisition for firearms, how much of the present legislation is being enforced, how is
it being enforced and where are the criteria used to make these judgements and, specifically in response to the Member, how are the RCMP deciding how fees are waived, if at all. Thank you.
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Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm pleased that the Minister will use his good offices with the RCMP to discuss this important issue. I would like to ask the Minister whether he would recommend that the more appropriate criteria -- if policemen are going to be making a judgement about whether a person hunts for food -- would be to determine whether or not that person holds a general hunting licence. Thank you.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, that may be the most common sense way to approach the issue. It may very well be the way to address that question and should be made clear. In any case, the right to hunt is seen by all people across this country as the most basic right, the most elementary right that we have as aboriginal people regardless of whether we are on welfare or we make in excess of $100,000 a year. That right should not be interfered with by any laws. That was basically what the Sparrow case had laid out in the Supreme Court.
We will be looking seriously at that question when we're reviewing the present regimes of the firearms legislation and more specifically at the proposed new firearms legislation. Thank you.
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Question 474-12(7): Increase In Child Welfare Apprehensions
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Everybody must be tired here. Mr. Speaker, it's always nice to come back home to catch up on the news and the goings-on in the Northwest Territories. I read in the paper and heard on the news about an increase in the apprehensions of young children across the Northwest Territories. I would like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services whether or not there has been a significant increase in the number of child welfare apprehensions across the Northwest Territories.
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Samuel Gargan
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, the report shows that there has been a significant increase. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Fred Koe
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Mahsi. Can the Minister inform us as to reasons for the significant increases in apprehensions?
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, as the information has been relayed to me, there isn't anything that we can put at the top of the list as the reason there is such as increase in child apprehensions. We really can't say for one reason or another, except perhaps that there is more awareness and more people who are prepared to take these measures. However, I can't, with the information I have, provide any specific area where we could say the reason in this area more so than in others. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I guess a lot of work can be done in our communities, preventative work that may or may not be getting done. I would like to ask the Minister about a proposal that an Inuvik interagency committee had submitted to this government, a proposal to look after the youth within the community using all the local resources. This would contribute to making the numbers... If the proposal that the committee has put forward works, it makes sense that the people in the community can look after their own children and the children that are in the care of this government. I would like to ask the Minister what is the status of that proposal?
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, in terms of the specific proposal that the Member is referring to that, along with a variety of others, is being looked at. Because the issue is not relative to one community or one area of the Northwest Territories, there has been significant discussion going on under the community wellness strategy whereby the communities would look at the resources that are presently within their community and see if those resources are adequately deployed in the proper place. Is there a better way of utilizing those resources to look at the social problems or address the social problems in each community?
The proposal that is before us is one of many which we will be pursuing very actively as soon as we can get some time to make sure that we deal with the communities and the agencies in the communities so that we can have a more holistic approach to addressing the social concerns in each community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Koe .
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi. I appreciate the amount of work that's been generated from the community wellness strategy but each community, each individual community or groups within the communities, work at different speeds. Some are more aggressive and assertive and some are more advanced in the types of work they do. Here we have a community that is ready, willing and able to do this work. They've got a very well-thought-out proposal that makes sense. I would like to ask the Minister if she can expedite this specific one so that people in the community can help reduce the numbers of children that are apprehended. Mahsi.
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I'm not proposing that every proposal has to be looked at in light of assessing how and when we're going to move with the proposals. That was not the intent of my reply to the honourable Member. I just made mention that there were several areas and several communities who want to deal with the overall social support that they can have within their community to address this issue and many others. The proposal is on the table. We've had some meetings with all the agency groups, the care givers in Inuvik, a week ago.
We are looking to follow up with that and see what can be done in trying to reorganize funding so that these people can take on these added responsibilities. We don't intend to hold it up because some other areas may not be as aggressively pursuing that goal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Question 475-12(7): Change In Graduation Certification
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, in the past we had two graduation diplomas for those who completed high school: the advanced secondary school certificate and the general secondary school certificate. I understand that we've changed the system now and have only one. I was wondering if the Minister could advise the House the reasons for changing from two diplomas to one.
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Very simply, Mr. Speaker, Alberta has changed the way in which they measure students.
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Charles Dent
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could the Minister advise if other jurisdictions besides Alberta have changed to the same sort of standard?
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Most jurisdictions are changing to one diploma or certificate. What is occurring is that the basis of the education that they receive is on the transcripts and the transcripts that are sent to post-secondary institutions, depending on which one they apply to, will determine whether or not they are eligible.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Supplementary, Mr. Speaker. Some people have expressed concern to me that we may be lowering the standards for graduation. I understand the Minister is saying that it's actually the transcripts that universities use for considering whether or not a student may be granted entrance. I was wondering if the Minister could advise whether or not his department has found any problems this year with our students being accepted on an equal footing, now that we've dropped requirements significantly for such things as social studies, mathematics and the sciences?
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Based on those students that are successful in their studies, there's been no reduction in their acceptance, with one exception. The honourable Member should be aware, and I think most Members are aware, that if you do not achieve a particular standard in any of the courses, even if you are to pass at 65 or 75 per cent in Math 30, Biology 30, Chem 30, there is no guarantee that you will be accepted in a post-secondary institution in this country. The lowest mark that is generally acceptable is about an 85 per cent average now.
If you do not meet that standard, some institutions, such as Mount Royal College, require you to write an entrance exam before you are accepted. That is generally what is occurring across the country.
The problem with that is that there is a limitation to the amount of students that are being allowed into those institutions. That's a bit of a problem for us and we're trying to address it. We're trying to address the issue of centres of learning with the consortium of western Ministers, however, it is still a problem because of the significant increase in student population across the country.
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Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With this being the first year of operation of the current diploma system, will the Minister commit to have the department watch what happens to graduating students this year and ensure that they move to deal with any problems that might appear in other jurisdictions with portability?
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Richard Nerysoo
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to indicate to the honourable Member, there are some problems with regard to portability, whether or not you go from Alberta to British Columbia or Alberta to Ontario or to the other provinces. That is one of the issues that Ministers across the country are trying to address at this particular time so that there is consistency of educational standards right across the country.
The other thing is that there are still inconsistencies and non-portability of post-secondary programs. In other words, an individual who might be in law in Dalhousie may not be accepted in law at UBC or another program, and that is of concern to us, including the technical programs, so we are working on that and I hope that despite the issue with regard to the single diploma -- I mean, it's not the issue of whether or not a student gets into a post-secondary institution but rather the courses that they take and the marks that they receive. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Minister of Justice , Mr. Speaker. I think that under his leadership, progress was made this week in making the federal Minister and federal MPs aware of the disastrous consequences of proceeding with Bill C-68 without major amendments, at least the disastrous consequences in the Northwest Territories.
I would like to ask the Minister if he could outline what further steps he will be taking to drive this point home in Ottawa and particularly whether the Minister will be making further representations to the House of Commons Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs with other Justice Ministers to reinforce points we have already made as a Caucus subcommittee.
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There was an effort made to work in concert with other governments across this country, notably the governments of Alberta, Manitoba and Saskatchewan and other governments as well; to certainly let them know that we have concerns with this bill but we also have other provisions of this bill that we support. I think we are concerned that we may not be taken as seriously as we should. So we are working, and we will continue to work, with other Ministers.
We may very well be taking
part in more meetings, strategizing, as I say, with other governments and possibly being involved in other initiatives if we decide to do that. There may be other meetings with Ministers that may need to be called as a result of the standing committee having hearings in Ottawa.
I have extended informally an invitation to the chairperson of the standing committee, Mr. Allmand, but also to individual Members of that standing committee. Since most of them have said they do not have any experience whatsoever in the lifestyle of northern people, the lifestyle of Inuit, the lifestyle of Dene and Metis people, they are very interested. There is very little time available to them but they may be interested in taking some personal time. A quick weekend trip, for instance, into a small aboriginal camp or community may be exactly what they need in order to fully appreciate the extent to which we need amendments in order to be able to live with the provisions of this bill.
We may be meeting and strategizing with aboriginal groups because of the possible infringement this legislation will have on the aboriginal right to hunt and the cultural impact it will have on the lifestyle of our people.
We may be thinking of having or requesting a meeting with the federal Minister depending on developments over the next few weeks regarding the hearings and the public attitude towards that piece of legislation.
So that, in
summary, is where we are at. We may be asked, although I have not been confirmed, to have meetings with officials from the Department of Justice in Ottawa to discuss and make more clear and perhaps more specific the concerns we have, the provisions that we support and those provisions that we think will not work and have any relevance at this time in order to take a positive approach to possibly supporting the bill down the road. Thank you.
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Question 477-12(7): Status Of Consultant For Study On Financing The NWT Government
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Finance . Last October, the Minister stated that this government was looking at sending out a call for proposals to study the financing of local governments and local education committees or boards or our total system in the Northwest Territories. I would like to ask the Minister of Finance whether or not the consultant has been hired to do this work yet.
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John Pollard
Hay River
Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and good afternoon. Yes, Mr. Speaker, a consultant has been hired, Enid Slack and Associates. I believe they have written to all MLAs and have sent some information out to the communities and advised them of the kind of information that they are seeking. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Can the Minister advise us as to where this Slack consulting company is located? Are they a northern consulting or a southern consulting company?
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. They are a southern consulting company, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.
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Fred Koe
Inuvik
Mahsi. They are a southern consulting company, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the supplementary again. Were there no capable northern companies that could do this type of work?
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John Pollard
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Mr. Speaker, I am sure that there are northern companies who can do this kind of work but I don't believe that they submitted anything during the proposal call. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.
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Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, earlier in the session, I asked the Minister about his response to the Gjoa Haven education leaders' summit recommendations, particularly the recommendation that his department take the lead in organizing a Nunavut training and human resource planning session which the education leaders hoped could be held this spring in April or May. I know he said that he was awaiting the completion of his department's transition to Nunavut plan which, I believe, is due at the end of this month.
I would like to ask the Minister, since the days of this session are coming to a close, if, after the House recesses, the Minister will be following up on the Gjoa Haven leaders' summit, contacting people involved in that summit and making a response to the recommendations, particularly about the planning conference. Thank you.
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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We're certainly trying to work on addressing many issues, of which the leadership summit in Gjoa Haven is one. As soon as we can, we'll be able to resolve some of the issues.
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Dennis Patterson
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Mr. Speaker, does the Minister agree that, in light of the imminence of April 1, 1999 and the need to have trained people in place well before that date, it would be timely if the next Nunavut education planning conference could be held within the next few months? Thank you.
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Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Mr. Speaker, I think it is not always whether or not meetings are held, but whether actions are taken. I think the efforts of my department to bring about an appropriate strategic plan, a new Education Act, and changes in the college reflect the direction the honourable Member is pointing to. We are still working with the leadership of those involved in education and training and it's my feeling that we've developed a very good working relationship with the educational leaders. We want to continue that relationship and whenever it is possible for us to agree on an appropriate time for a meeting, we'll work with them to address that particular issue. But, we will participate.
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Further Return To Question 478-12(7): Status Of Plans For Nunavut Human Resource Training Conference
Question 478-12(7): Status Of Plans For Nunavut Human Resource Training Conference
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .
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Supplementary To Question 478-12(7): Status Of Plans For Nunavut Human Resource Training Conference
Question 478-12(7): Status Of Plans For Nunavut Human Resource Training Conference
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 1050
Dennis Patterson
Iqaluit
Mr. Speaker, I did not mean to suggest that the Department of Education, Culture and Employment is not reorganizing itself and strategizing for the challenges ahead. I think the challenge thrown out by the education leaders was to ask the department to become the lead in developing a plan to bring together all the other various agencies and organizations which have training and human resource planning responsibilities in Nunavut -- the NTI, the NITC, the Nunavut Implementation Commission, the Nunavut Secretariat, federal agencies et cetera.
The Minister indicated that it would be desirable to have a meeting. I would like to ask the Minister, is he also open to the idea of taking the lead in organizing and chairing such a meeting through one of his senior officials? Thank you.
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Supplementary To Question 478-12(7): Status Of Plans For Nunavut Human Resource Training Conference
Question 478-12(7): Status Of Plans For Nunavut Human Resource Training Conference
Item 6: Oral Questions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Mr. Nerysoo .
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Further Return To Question 478-12(7): Status Of Plans For Nunavut Human Resource Training Conference
Question 478-12(7): Status Of Plans For Nunavut Human Resource Training Conference
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 1051
Richard Nerysoo
Mackenzie Delta
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to say to the honourable Member that it's in my interests to work with the organizations the honourable Member has pointed out and we're prepared to do that. We're also prepared to determine whether or not it's appropriate for us to chair, or whether we will identify an individual who might chair a conference of this type who would be more acceptable to all participants.
We will be involved and, at the appropriate time, hopefully we will have resolved these particular issues and logistics. We'll certainly work with the organizations to address these issues.
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Further Return To Question 478-12(7): Status Of Plans For Nunavut Human Resource Training Conference
Question 478-12(7): Status Of Plans For Nunavut Human Resource Training Conference
Item 6: Oral Questions
Page 1051
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Mr. Whitford .
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Item 10: Petitions
Item 10: Petitions
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Tony Whitford
Yellowknife South
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to present Petition No. 8-12(7) dealing with the federal gun control legislation proposal. The petition consists of some 95 signatures on cards, complete with addresses of constituents. The petition reads:
"As an NWT resident and taxpayer, I respectfully request that you (referring to myself) lead the territorial government to quickly counter proposals by the federal Justice Department that would severely infringe upon the rights of NWT citizens and establish a mandate to:
1. Support laws that severely punish all violent criminals who use weapons in the commission of crimes;
2. Support only Criminal Code firearm control measures which recognize and protect the rights of law-abiding firearm owners; and,
3. Support or initiate legislation to remove or change existing laws which have not been proven as cost-effective in providing public safety and/or are so convoluted as to be ineffective and unenforceable."
Thank you.
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Item 10: Petitions
Item 10: Petitions
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Mr. Antoine .
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Committee Report 8-12(7): Standing Committee On Finance Report On Bill 30, Deficit Elimination Act
Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in accordance with its terms of reference, the Standing Committee on Finance is pleased to submit its report on the review of Bill 30, Deficit Elimination Act.
Between 1983 and 1993, the Northwest Territories was fortunate to be one of the few jurisdictions in Canada without accumulated debt, if not the only such jurisdiction. We recognize that over 80 per cent of the government's budget consists of grants from the federal government; still, the government is to be credited with having lived within its means throughout that decade.
However, in the last two years, the territorial government has slid into debt. The drastic cuts in federal funding for construction of new social housing, funding disputes with the federal government (especially regarding health billings), and two years of serious forest fires have forced the government to increase spending without having an increased pool of revenues to draw from.
Since the October 1993 federal election, it has become very clear that funding from the federal government will not continue at the levels we have come to expect. But we will still face dry summers, a continuing shortage of adequate housing, and other unforeseen circumstances which will cause demands for increased government spending.
Members of the Standing Committee on Finance are concerned that the Government of the Northwest Territories may soon find itself with a crushing burden of debt, as many provinces and the federal government are now facing. But committee Members do not want to see the upcoming division of the NWT affected by contention over the division of an accumulated government debt.
Moreover, the standing committee has made strong recommendations that a transition plan be prepared for the next Assembly. Standing committee Members are concerned that the 13th Assembly will face many difficult challenges, especially preparing for division and coping with financial cutbacks. We feel that this Deficit Elimination Act will be a key component of that transition plan.
The Standing Committee on Finance has made a number of recommendations which would address these concerns. The report, Investing in Our Future, was tabled by the standing committee on October 11, 1994. In that report, the committee recommended as follows:
"The Standing Committee on Finance recommends that the Financial Management Board, as part of its transition planning, seriously consider protecting the interests of the people of the Northwest Territories by introducing, during the life of the Legislative Assembly, legislation that requires the Government of the Northwest Territories, in preparation for division, to ensure that on March 31, 1998, no deficit has accumulated." And in its Report on the Review of the 1995-96 Main Estimates, the committee repeated its concern:
"The committee recommends that the Minister of Finance introduce legislation in the current session which would require that the government ensure that on March 31, 11998, no deficit has accumulated; furthermore, that the legislation include sanctions which would encourage compliance with the legislation."
The government responded to these recommendations by introducing Bill 30, Deficit Elimination Act , on March 29th. This bill would provide for limits on government deficits in the 1996-97, 1997-98 and 1998-99 fiscal years.
However, the bill as original introduced would not meet the requirements of the recommendations of the Standing Committee on Finance. Given the deficit incurred in 1994-95, the planned deficit in 1995-96, and the deficit limits allowed by the original bill, the Northwest Territories could have accumulated a total debt of up to $100 million by April 1, 1999.
The intent behind the standing committee's previous recommendations was to ensure that there is no debt to divide between the new territories in 1999. The process of division is difficult enough; there is no point complicating it further by leaving a debt to be fought over and argued about by the new territories.
As a result, the Standing Committee on Finance has proposed a series of amendments. The effect of these amendments would be to ensure that the debt is not added to by the budgets of 1996-97 and following fiscal year. As well, the amendments provide a method of penalizing Cabinets which contravene the provisions of the bill. Violation of the provisions of the bill will provoke an automatic debate on whether the appointments of the Members of the Executive Council should be revoked by the Commissioner.
Members of the standing committee feel that this measure will provide the right balance between prompting the government to be fiscally prudent, yet allowing for unforeseen circumstances beyond the government's control. If a deficit occurs which violates the provisions of the bill, but the Members of the Assembly at the time feel that circumstances were such that the government could not have controlled or foreseen them, the Assembly then has the option to recommend that Cabinet appointments not be revoked, which would allow the government to continue.
The sponsor of the bill, the Minister of Finance , has met with the standing committee to discuss these amendments, and has concurred with them in committee hearings. We would like to thank the Minister of Finance for his cooperation throughout this process. Standing Committee Members look forward to the consideration of this bill with our colleagues in committee of the whole.
Motion To Receive And Adopt Committee Report 8-12(7), Carried
Mr. Speaker, that concludes the report on Bill 30, Deficit Elimination Act. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson , that the report of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill 30, Deficit Elimination Act , be received by the Assembly and adopted. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.
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Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
Page 1052
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Your motion is in order. To the motion.
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Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
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Some Hon. Members
Question.
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Committee Report 8-12(7): Standing Committee On Finance Report On Bill 30, Deficit Elimination Act
Item 11: Reports Of Standing And Special Committees
Page 1052
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Question is being called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried.
---Carried
The report of the Standing Committee on Finance is received and adopted.
Item 12, reports of committee on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Todd .
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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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John Todd
Keewatin Central
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following document: Tabled Document 97-12(7), Public Utilities Board of the Northwest Territories 1994 Annual Report. Thank you.
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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Mr. Kakfwi , tabling of documents.
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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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Stephen Kakfwi
Sahtu
Mr. Speaker, I wish to table the following document: Tabled Document 98-12(7), Presentation by the Minister of Justice of the Northwest Territories Legislative Assembly to Hearings of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs on Bill C-68,
An Act Respecting Firearms.
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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Antoine .
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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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Jim Antoine
Nahendeh
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to table Tabled Document 99-12(7), Submission to the House of Commons Standing Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs Regarding Bill C-68, by the MLA for Nahendeh, Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories. Mahsi.
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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. Item 13, tabling of documents. Ms. Cournoyea .
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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
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Nellie Cournoyea
Nunakput
Mr. Speaker, I would like to table a document, Tabled Document 100-12(7), Renewed Partnerships: An Update. Thank you.
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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Item 13: Tabling Of Documents
Page 1052
The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions; Motion 18-12(7). The motion will stay on the orders paper for tomorrow. Item 17, first reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. Mr. Dent .
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Bill 32:
An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills
Page 1052
Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Sahtu , that Bill 32,
An Act to Amend the Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, No. 2 , be read for the second time. Mr. Speaker, this bill provides that a Member of the Legislative Assembly who is
convicted of an offence involving violence against another person may not continue to serve as a Member.
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Bill 32:
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Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills
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The Speaker
Samuel Gargan
Thank you. To the principle of the bill. Mr. Dent .
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Bill 32:
An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills
Page 1053
Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in February of 1994, this House adopted a declaration of zero tolerance for violence. This was an important motion, one we all supported as being a meaningful first step on the road to dealing with violence. It was unprecedented in Canada and won us a lot of praise. I hope Members will review that declaration and the principles set out in the motion adopting zero tolerance, because it is from there that the principle is Bill 32 comes.
Mr. Speaker, the reason I have brought forward this bill and ask for Members' support is that a declaration is not enough. People have told us over and over they expect to see action to back up our words. I know that Members have received a very large number of faxes from groups and individuals this past couple of weeks, since most groups have sent me copies. I know that we've all heard from many sources that family violence is a problem across the country; that we need to change society's attitudes so people start to realize that family violence is a crime. Too many in our society are still in denial; seeing family violence as a minor social problem.
The Minister of Justice has said in this House that declarations such as ours are but one element in the process of changing society's views about family violence, and that MLAs should be leaders in that process of change. The Standing Committee on Finance demanded to see some concrete action. Many Members have pointed out that it is only when leaders set a good example by themselves truly enforcing non-violence, that we will see society start to deal with the tolerance and denial that presently surrounds violence.
This bill provides some concrete action, and will help ensure that we, as political leaders, set a good example in the control of our own process and Members.
Mr. Speaker, in a free and democratic society, it is important that the public have confidence in their governing institutions and in their elected leaders. How can the public have confidence in this Legislative Assembly and its Members if we only pay lip service to the principle of zero tolerance for violence? Having adopted the principle of zero tolerance for violence, the reputation and integrity of the entire Assembly would be called into question if we allow a Member to continue to sit after being convicted of a criminal offence involving violence against another person.
In a free and democratic society, it is crucial that elected representatives do not ask or are not seen to ask more of their constituents than they ask of themselves.
One of the most basic principles of a democratic society is that no one is above the law. Members must, themselves, be subject to the principles and policies adopted by this House, and we must not be seen to ask more of our constituents than we ask of ourselves.
The final clause in our motion on zero tolerance said that we "invite all northern leaders, such as leaders of aboriginal organizations, municipal governments, trade unions, boards and agencies and societies, to make a similar commitment by adopting this declaration in spirit and in practice."
Mr. Speaker, how can we possibly ask others to practice zero tolerance unless we ensure that we do the same?
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Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills
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An Hon. Member
Agreed.
---Agreed
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Bill 32:
An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 2
Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills
Page 1053
Charles Dent
Yellowknife Frame Lake
By adopting the principle of this bill, we demonstrate that we will p