Debates of March 25th, 1996

This is page numbers 51 - 70 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

High Cost Of Living In Baffin

Minister Absent From The House

Kugluktuk Recreation Facilities Destroyed By Fire

Members' Statement On High Cost Of Living In Baffin

Economic Growth And Job Creation

MLA Sharks Versus Media

Elimination Of Baffin Regional Director's Position

Iqaluit For Capital Celebrations

Effect Of Wage And Benefits Cuts To GNWT Employees

Canadian Championship Dog Derby

Empowering Communities In Beaufort/delta Region

Meetings With Federal Government Re Harmonization Of Gst

Impact Of Wage And Benefit Reductions

Regional Input On Community Transfers

Non-unionized Reductions

Community Empowerment Opportunities In Yellowknife

Iqaluit Airport Fire Department

Time Frame For Amalgamation Of Ed&t, Em&pr And Renewable Resources

Differentiation In Taxable/non-taxable Northern Allowance

Addictions Consultant Job Competition Advertisement

Youth Employment Programs

Item 10: Petitions

Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The Motor Vehicles Act

Bill 1: Interim Appropriation Act, April 1 To June 30, 1996

Bill 4: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1995-96

Bill 1: Interim Appropriation Act, April 1 To June 30, 1996

Bill 4: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1995-96

Bill 2: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1995-96

Bill 3: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 1995-96

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 4: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1995-96

Bill 1: Interim Appropriation Act, April 1 To June 30, 1996

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Revert To Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel

Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr.

Ningark, Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. John Todd

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High Cost Of Living In Baffin

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Premier .

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Minister's Statement 11-13(3): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Manitok Thompson has been delayed in Chesterfield Inlet and will be absent from the House today. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 11-13(3): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 12-13(3): Kugluktuk Recreation Facilities Destroyed By Fire

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we've learned of a major fire last night in the hamlet of Kugluktuk. Unfortunately, the hamlet's recreation complex, including an arena, curling rink and two community halls were completely destroyed. We were thankful that there were no injuries sustained in the blaze, but the community now faces the situation of being without important community recreation facilities.

I would like to assure the community and the Members of this Assembly that the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs will work with the community to develop a plan for replacing these vital community facilities. Our regional office has been in contact with the community. Mr. Speaker, the office of the fire marshal and the insurance company will be sending representatives into the community this week to review the fire damage and discuss insurance details.

The loss of this major community facility presents a challenge to the department and this government. Securing the resources and planning a replacement facility will take time, but every effort will be made to have a new facility as soon as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 12-13(3): Kugluktuk Recreation Facilities Destroyed By Fire

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Members' Statement On High Cost Of Living In Baffin

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Good afternoon, Mr. Speaker. Before I start with my statement, I would like to say hi to two of my brothers-in-law back home in Clyde River, Solomonie Natanine and James Arreak.

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Members' Statement On High Cost Of Living In Baffin

Item 3: Members' Statements

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An Hon. Member

Hear! Hear!

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Members' Statement On High Cost Of Living In Baffin

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, today I received a touching message from an Inuk who works as a school secretary in Pangnirtung. She was writing on behalf of the UNW employees of Attagoyuk School in Pangnirtung.

This young woman told me that she and her fellow workers are already finding it very difficult to live on the pay cheques they are now getting in the Baffin. She stated that food is now extremely expensive, much more than what it was in the past. My constituent also told me that right now she is paying $238 a month rent for her small place, and that starting April 1st, her rent will go up to $600 per month. She is wondering how she will be able to come up with grocery money. She asked whether our government knows how expensive it is to live in the Baffin region. She asked whether the government cares.

She asked if our government would prefer that people like her go on welfare. She asked me if I would support employees like her.

Mr. Speaker, I will do my best. Thank you.

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Members' Statement On High Cost Of Living In Baffin

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Economic Growth And Job Creation

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my statement today is regarding economic growth and job creation. Mr. Speaker, on Wednesday past, I spoke about the need for this Assembly to develop strategies to deal with the economic; and social challenges facing communities across the Northwest Territories. For many years, Mr. Speaker, the government ties been the main engine of economic growth in the Territories, either through the direct creation of new jobs or the indirect creation of jobs by using policies to ensure that its capital budget benefits northern businesses.

Mr. Speaker, it is clear from the statements of the House, of the government, to date, that if government is the engine of economic growth in the Territories, then we have just slammed on the brakes. Government is restructuring in such a manner that will eliminate jobs, not create them. Spending on capital and government programs is expected to be reduced significantly, affecting a number of jobs in the private sector. Mr. Speaker, while the downsizing of government will be felt in headquarters and in the regional centres, the smaller centres that are even more dependent on government will be especially hard hit.

On Wednesday, I told Members about the RSV outbreak in Arviat and the underlying economic and social problems that I believe contributed to this tragedy. Mr. Speaker, the two communities that I represent face similar challenges to other communities in both the Western Arctic and Nunavut. They are not regional centres and for the most part do not have the economic opportunities available to them, aside from the pursuit of traditional activities. Unemployment rates in these communities are astronomically high.

For example, in Arviat and Baker Lake, although the official unemployment rate runs in the area of 25 to 30 per cent, the real unemployment rate is closer to 70 to 75 per cent. Many of the people in these communities have given up looking for work because there is none. As a result, they are not included in the Stats Canada estimates. At the same time, Mr. Speaker, the birthrates in these communities are amongst the highest in North America. The basic fact of the matter is that the problem is simply getting worse.

Mr. Speaker, reductions to government programs are felt more acutely in these communities. The more diverse economies in the larger regional centres make them better able to absorb these cuts. Mr. Speaker, I'm not trying to make light of the challenges facing the larger centres.

Mr. Speaker, I ask for unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Kivallivik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there are opportunities to be taken in all the communities if we can position these communities to take advantage of them. For example, all the communities in the Keewatin region have the opportunity to take advantage of the economic benefits from mineral exploration that is taking place in the area. These are the types of opportunities that we have to be prepared f or.

Mr. Speaker, in my view, the mandate of the committee on economic growth and job creation Would be to develop strategies that would place our communities in this position. In my view, it is not enough for the ordinary Members to simply review or criticize the initiatives that are brought forth by this government. It is our responsibility and our elected duty to offer constructive statements on how we can better deal with these problems; the problems that threaten people of the North who need our help the most: the unemployed and the less fortunate.

Mr. Speaker, I will be pursuing this matter with the Members during this Assembly. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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MLA Sharks Versus Media

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just rise briefly to acknowledge a somewhat happier event than has been addressed so far in the House, and that's the huge victory of the MLA Sharks.

The score was 10-3. In one game, we made up for four years' scoring losses.

Prior to the game, I used to hear people snickering behind their hands when they talked about the MLA Sharks, saying they're not sharks they're more like guppies. Now we can hold our heads high because we have finally proven that we are capable of wearing the shirt.

We have things like the Premier 's incredible break-away, that if he would have just had another 30 seconds he would have got to the not and maybe even got a shot. We had intense levels of activity. We had this huge collision between Floyd "The Train" Roland and poor, small Don Avison who doesn't remember much of the game or Friday after that collision.

--- Laughter

Then we had some tremendous scoring heroes who came out of nowhere like Roy "Huff And Puff" Erasmus who is now Roy "The Trigger Man" Erasmus, with a hat trick; an amazing contribution to the effort.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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An Hon. Member

Hear! Hear!

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Then we can't forget our friend from Iqaluit, Ed "Hard Luck Bay" Picco who seemed to spend more time being nursed than playing, but he too made his contribution.

So I think all in all, Mr. Speaker, the Assembly acquitted itself well and we've set ourselves a high standard to maintain next year. As the Premier said, this year he intends to practise and stick to it. So when he gets his chance, he will be big. Thank you.

--- Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Elimination Of Baffin Regional Director's Position

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to make a statement on behalf of the Baffin Members of the Legislative Assembly. We are very concerned to learn the decision has been taken by Cabinet to eliminate the regional director's position in the Baffin region. There are a number of important issues in our region which the regional director is handling. The Baffin regional director has been

providing very good support to the Baffin Leaders' Summit, which I chair.

It is helpful that the regional director can represent all departments and agencies of the government in the Baffin region. Community transfer is an important priority in our region. The regional director is chairing a committee of all the key departments overseeing implementation of Community transfer in our region. Having the regional director chair this committee shows that it is an important priority for Cabinet and not just one department.

At our recent Baffin Leaders' Summit, this initiative, which we know is also a priority of the government, was identified as a priority by Baffin leaders. It is especially important that it succeed in our region which, unfortunately, has more than its share of social problems.

Our regional director now chairs a regional wellness committee. If the regional director no longer chairs this committee, we are concerned that this might reduce the support given to this important committee by other departments.

We know that the regional director carries out a number of other important functions in the region. For example, the regional director looks after important visitors who regularly come to the Baffin region. Last year, it was Prime Minister Chretien and Chancellor Helmut Kohl. There are other important visits and meetings planned for the coming year.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Evaloarjuk , your time is up for making a Member's statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to complete my Member's statement.

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Elimination Of Baffin Regional Director's Position

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Evaloarjuk is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement.

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Elimination Of Baffin Regional Director's Position

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. When people become mentally ill, the regional director has the authority to commit them to a mental hospital without delay. Mr. Speaker, the regional director also looks after labour relation problems in the region. The regional director has signing authority in a variety of areas, such as special leave and travel. We do not know who will exercise these important functions if the regional director is gone.

We understand that the laying-off of a senior public servant such as our regional director requires that he be paid a lot of money as severance pay. We believe that with the important work which lies ahead in our region on community transfer and community wellness, the people would be better served if the regional director was actively working with the Baffin management team to conclude these initiatives, rather than doing nothing and still collecting his pay.

There are other important functions being performed by our regional director. He has participated actively on committees which make decisions on fishing and shrimp licences. The fishery is very important to our region. He has also been working very closely with the Nunavut Implementation

Commission to advise them on designing a new government for Nunavut. If the regional director is to be removed, Baffin MLAs will be asking questions to find out what plans the government has to make to make sure that these important jobs will continue to be done in our region.

Mr. Speaker, we believe that now, more than ever before, with the changes being made to try to save money, we need strong leadership at the regional level. For all these reasons, we would not like to see the Baffin regional director removed. If the Baffin regional director must be laid off, we suggest that he be given one year's notice, so that he can bring these initiatives to a successful conclusion and can be productively employed rather than getting paid for doing nothing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--- Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Iqaluit For Capital Celebrations

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to congratulate the people of Iqaluit for the enthusiasm they showed during last weekend's "Iqaluit for capital" celebrations. Mr. Speaker, invited guests included several Baffin mayors, as well as the mayor from Sisimiut, Greenland. I was not able to attend all the events, as I was here in Yellowknife, but I was able to attend the opening ceremonies.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the Honourable Goo Arlooktoo and the Member for Kivallivik , Mr. Kevin O'Brien , for stopping in on the opening ceremonies on their way to Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, over the past few years, our community has suffered some setbacks, but the pride and spirit shown by the elders and the community last week was indicative of a community which is moving forward towards division and Nunavut with confidence and energy.

Mr. Speaker, I congratulate all the volunteers of the celebration and the people of Iqaluit.

--- Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Effect Of Wage And Benefits Cuts To GNWT Employees

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to say hello to my wife and my children in Arctic Bay, as well as my constituents in Grise Fiord and Resolute Bay.

On Friday, I asked the Minister of Finance if he and his officials had done an analysis of what would be the actual effects of cuts in wages and benefits to a typical employee. I asked him how those cuts would affect a typical small, medium and large family in each of the eight different

community groups which have been set up under the collective agreement for settlement allowances.

My constituents are very concerned about these changes and trying to figure out what will be the effect on the pay they take home every two weeks. This would be helpful to me because the effect of the changes are difficult to calculate, especially after taxes. I was pleased to learn that the Minister of Finance said that his officials have already calculated how the cuts would affect our employees and that he would make the figures available to us.

However, Mr. Speaker, in answering my questions, Mr. Todd said that he was not sure if he could divulge the information I asked for on an individual basis. Mr. Speaker, I would like to make it clear to the Honourable John Todd and Members of this House that I am not asking for information on individual employees. What I would like to see is how these proposed changes would affect typical families in my constituency and others throughout the Northwest Territories.

This information would be very helpful in allowing us to compare how these cuts will affect people who live on and off the highway system, people who have big and small families and people who live near Yellowknife and very far away from Yellowknife. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for High Arctic is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that it is not fair to ask for information about the pay of individuals in this House. Mr. Speaker, later today, I will be asking Mr. Todd if he could provide us with examples for typical employees with small, medium and large families and how their gross and net pay would be affected by these changes. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Canadian Championship Dog Derby

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that our broadcasts reach through the satellite system quite far and wide and, from time to time, reach the northern US and sometimes the southern US. We do get feedback on that. In that regard, I would like to tell those people out there about the fantastic Canadian Championship Dog Derby that we had here in Yellowknife over the past three days. This is run by the Yellowknife Rotary Club and they have run this for 25 years consecutively. The championship has been held in Yellowknife consecutively for 25 years.

It is a race that is 150 miles over three days. The rotary club does all the work for this. They are out on the ice on Great Slave Lake and throughout the community taking care of the paths and making sure that there are officials in case of accidents and so forth. It is a competition that attracts mushers from around the world, including France and the US, especially the northern US. As a matter of fact, the winner of this year's race was Tim White of Grand Marais, Minnesota.

It has been an extremely successful operation that the Yellowknife Rotary Club has conducted. I would like to make reference to our official here, the Sergeant-at-Arms, Tony Whitford, who is one of the people who hosted it last night. It has been a function that has a great safety record, but also draws a tremendous amount of tourists and business to this community. I would like to congratulate the 55 members of the Yellowknife Rotary Club for the tremendous dedication that they have shown to this race over the years. Thank you very much.

--- Applause

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Canadian Championship Dog Derby

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 54

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Empowering Communities In Beaufort/delta Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 54

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My statement is with regard to the establishment of the regional council in the Beaufort/Delta, which consists of the Inuvialuit and Gwich'in tribal councils. Also with the financial restraints in mind and the restructuring of government, this is the opportunity that we have to take over more initiatives, especially in the area of empowering communities and also empowering the region to manage and administer programs and services within that region.

Right now, the Gwich'in and Inuvialuit are presently in the negotiation process with the federal government for self-government. They are also in the process of establishing a regional government within the constitutional process and through the aboriginal summit.

The goal we see in the Beaufort/Delta region is to eventually eliminate or take over the establishment of boards such as education boards and health boards. We want to look at things such as health, housing, justice, economic development and tourism potential within that region. I think, at the end of the day, we have to allow the process to continue to empower communities and regional and aboriginal groups within those regions, so that they can eventually take over more responsibilities and control of those programs.

Also, what we say with regard to this process is fundamentally on the back of everyone's mind is financial restraint. We see a very large financial savings in establishing one body to oversee the operation of the whole region. Instead of establishing several boards and agencies, we will just have one administrative body that will oversee programs and services delivered in that region. I have a question which I will be raising later with the Premier . Thank you.

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Empowering Communities In Beaufort/delta Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 54

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Do we have further Members' statements? The trophy that we won from the media is right here. I guess they thought they were going to win so they didn't bother bringing the trophy to the arena. It's 72 hours late, but it's here.

Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 43-13(3): Meetings With Federal Government Re Harmonization Of Gst

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 55

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the federal government is now in the process of consultation with the provinces on the harmonization of the GST. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Finance Minister . To date, what negotiations have been held with the federal government with regard to the harmonization of the GST here in the NWT? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Question 43-13(3): Meetings With Federal Government Re Harmonization Of Gst

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 55

John Todd

Keewatin Central

We are involved, as the provinces are, in discussions about the possible replacement for the GST. Discussions are Linder way with us as they are with the Maritime provinces and others, to see what arrangements can be made to find a replacement or to harmonize some form of provincial sales tax and the GST. I think it's important to point out that our role is somewhat less than the other provincial jurisdictions because we don't have a sales tax. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Question 43-13(3): Meetings With Federal Government Re Harmonization Of Gst

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 55

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Has the Department of Finance investigated possible repercussions to such harmonization of the GST here in the NWT?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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Question 43-13(3): Meetings With Federal Government Re Harmonization Of Gst

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 55

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's difficult to determine the repercussions because we don't know what the actual outcome of the negotiations with the provincial and territorial jurisdictions are going to be. As I said, we are involved in this discussion, we are partners in the process and we're adding our two cents' worth. My understanding right now is that discussions were under way last week in the Maritime provinces. We're a long way, I think, from reaching an arrangement; although, Mr. Martin, the federal Finance Minister , is trying very hard to do so. So, yes we're intimately involved.

Yes, we're keeping our eyes on the implication for the Territories. Again, I stress, we are somewhat different because we don't have a provincial or territorial sales tax at this time. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 55

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 44-13(3): Impact Of Wage And Benefit Reductions

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 55

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance . On Friday, I asked the Minister of Finance if he could provide information on the effect of his announced reductions to pay and benefits of employees. The Minister of Finance said he wasn't sure if he could provide that information on an individual basis. Could the Minister of Finance provide information on the effect of layoffs for a typical family in the various regions of the Northwest Territories, without naming names?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 44-13(3): Impact Of Wage And Benefit Reductions

Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

If I could just get clarification of the question; was that lay-offs or was that the changes in the northern allowance? I wasn't quite sure what the question was. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Barnabas , could you clarify your question, please?

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Question 44-13(3): Impact Of Wage And Benefit Reductions

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Mr. Speaker, thank you. Does the Minister of Finance have the analysis available for various families in the Northwest Territories?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe my honourable colleague is talking about the pay and benefits, the changes that we announced and the ones we're negotiating with the union right now. Yes, as we speak, we are putting that analysis together and I would be only too happy to share that with the honourable colleague in this House. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 45-13(3): Regional Input On Community Transfers

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 55

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier regarding the changes to dissolving the regional directors' offices and allowing MACA to implement programs such as community transfer initiatives. I would like to ask the Premier regarding that approach. As he is aware, from my earlier statement, presently in the Beaufort/Delta we are in the process of self-government negotiations. In those negotiations, we are looking at programs and services.

How does the Premier see the aboriginal organizations, band councils in communities, Metis locals and aboriginal regional councils such as the Gwich'in Tribal Council and the Inuvialuit Regional Council being involved in those deliberations or discussions coming up to those transfers taking place to the communities through community empowerment?

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Question 45-13(3): Regional Input On Community Transfers

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 56

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I see that Metis locals as well as First Nations councils at the community level will be fully involved with community empowerment discussions with the Department of MACA or the Department of Health and Social Services on wellness. It will be up to them to decide amongst themselves where they will need a regional function. If they so choose, then they will be funded accordingly. Thank You.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 45-13(3): Regional Input On Community Transfers

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 56

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

With regard to the initiative, because there is a possibility of duplicating tracts; one is the negotiation tract where you're dealing directly with the federal government regarding the land claims agreements, and also the goals that are spelled out in those agreements with regard to different programs, taking over initiatives Such as health, education, being able to look at taxation and other elements which are in those agreements.

What I do not want to see is that there may be a possibility of having too much process and not enough work being done to have these processes concluded in the time frames that are set forth. The Gwich'in and the Inuvialuit are presently in the process of negotiating self-government agreements with the federal government and the GNWT to establish an agreement in principle by next year. What I would like the Premier to answer is does he see a process in which these people will be involved through consultation, or is it a process which is already spelled out in the establishment of this new initiative. Thank you.

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Question 45-13(3): Regional Input On Community Transfers

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Question 45-13(3): Regional Input On Community Transfers

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 56

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to assure the Member that the communities will be fully consulted on the community empowerment approaches that we are trying to achieve. The whole reason for trying to work with the communities is so the communities can finally start making the decisions of their day-to-day lives in their communities on the programs that are being administered in their communities. So it will be done in a very close working relationship with the communities. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 45-13(3): Regional Input On Community Transfers

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 56

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I would like clarification of what he means by "consultation." Consultation could be a method of picking up a phone and making a phone call, or is he talking about regional meetings with the Beaufort/Delta leadership? Is he talking about meetings with the individual interest groups such as band councils, Metis locals or other groups such as the tribal councils?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Question 45-13(3): Regional Input On Community Transfers

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's very clear to me that there will be community meetings in every Gwich'in or Inuvialuit community. The community will have meetings with the local leaders and that's what will drive the process. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 46-13(3): Non-unionized Reductions

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 56

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance . In his statement in the House last Thursday, the Minister indicated that non-unionized employees of the Government of the Northwest Territories will have their remuneration rolled back 6.5 per cent. Do these rollbacks include Hay Plan employees of Workers' Compensation and the Power Corporation?

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Question 46-13(3): Non-unionized Reductions

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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Question 46-13(3): Non-unionized Reductions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I will take that question as notice so I can give my honourable colleague the correct answer. Thank you.

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Question 46-13(3): Non-unionized Reductions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Erasmus ,

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Question 47-13(3): Community Empowerment Opportunities In Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 56

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier regarding community empowerment. I know that it may be a little early in the process to be asking this type of question; however, we also all know that Yellowknife is a very different community from the rest of the communities in the Western Arctic and the East, as well. The communities will be given the opportunity to take over various areas such as the Department of Public Works, Housing and those types of things. Since Yellowknife already maintains the roads, streetlights and all this type of stuff, what types of opportunities will Yellowknife have through the community empowerment process?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 56

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yellowknife is not totally on its own when you're talking about community empowerment, being the only unique community that we do have. We also have other tax-based municipalities that carry out similar functions as Yellowknife does. I guess the biggest advantage to those larger communities is the block funding arrangement that we've been talking about, and the ability to control their own programs in their own communities. I make it very clear that also includes those tax-based municipalities; they also have to work with the Metis and Dene people in those communities. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Erasmus .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 57

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Premier made reference to taking over programs. When reference is made to programs, what types of programs does this mean?

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 47-13(3): Community Empowerment Opportunities In Yellowknife

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 57

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. For example, in some of our tax-based municipalities, communities will have the ability to take over not only the municipal programs that they already are handling, but also education, health, social services; all programs that are delivered by this government. The basic thing that has to be accomplished is that those groups that are presently doing that function have to get together in the same room to discuss how we could do it more efficiently and better for the betterment of that community. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 48-13(3): Iqaluit Airport Fire Department

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 57

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, a serious matter has occurred which I must address in this House. Mr. Speaker, the Canadian Aviation Regulations Advisory Council last month published a list of 28 airports required to provide airport fire departments. Mr. Speaker, the largest and busiest, as well as the new capital of Nunavut and the only international airport in Nunavut, Iqaluit, was not on that list. Mr. Speaker, several of my constituents have called and have written to me on this serious oversight by the advisory council. My question is for the Minister of Transportation .

Is the Minister aware of any plans to close down the Iqaluit Airport fire department, and will he commit to look into this serious matter and report back to the House? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, as the Minister of Transportation , I'll reply to the honourable Member for Iqaluit . I am aware that Transport Canada has developed Canadian aviation regulations and that it is to come into force some time soon. There are three airports in the North - Yellowknife being one, Norman Wells and Iqaluit -- which presently have the fire emergency response at the airports. According to the advisory council, you're right that Iqaluit is on the list not to have this service provided any longer after these regulations come into force which, at the present time, are still pending.

Yes, I will instruct my department to look into this matter and I'll report to the House accordingly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 49-13(3): Time Frame For Amalgamation Of Ed&t, Em&pr And Renewable Resources

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of ED&T, EM&PR and Renewable Resources. I would like to know what the time frame is for the amalgamation of the three departments, if he could answer that for me, please.

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Samuel Gargan

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as the now Minister of at least two of those departments, I will have that information available to Members of the Legislature by Friday at the latest. Thank you.

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Question 50-13(3): Differentiation In Taxable/non-taxable Northern Allowance

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 57

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, in this House on Friday, I asked the Minister of Finance what portion of the new northern allowance was VTA travel and which portion was for the settlement allowance. That question was taken as notice. Mr. Speaker, my question today to the Minister of Finance is how will Revenue Canada know what portion of the northern allowance is the non-taxable VTA benefit and which portion is the taxable settlement allowance.

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Samuel Gargan

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, we have to negotiate with Revenue Canada on this important issue. As I said earlier, I would be prepared to answer that question once we have a full and comprehensive report from Revenue Canada and ourselves put together. Hopefully, either this week or later on in the next session, I'll be able to report to the Member exactly what it is. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I've had some time over the past weekend to review the new northern allowance amounts. My supplementary question to the Minister of Finance is how did he come up with these new northern allowance amounts? Where did they come from?

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

The new northern allowance amounts come from the amalgamation of the housing allowance, settlement allowance and VTA reductions based upon a new formula based upon the criteria set and an escalating factor for the cost-of-living allowance across the Territories based upon the cost of living in the communities.

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Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

If that's the case, Mr. Speaker, then why is there a settlement allowance now for Yellowknife, which never had one before, which is now the northern allowance?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

This isn't a northern allowance for Yellowknife, Mr. Speaker. This is a northern component of the new northern cost-of-living allowance. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Isn't it true, then, Mr. Speaker, if that's the case, that now the northern allowance in places where there was no settlement allowance before, in some instances -and I will be prepared to table in this House these instances, tomorrow -- in actuality, people in Yellowknife, especially single individuals, will actually get a net benefit from this new northern allowance;

whereas, in the East --and I will be prepared to table this tomorrow in the House -- have a deduction of up to 20 per cent in some cases because of the new northern allowance?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The new northern allowance replaces the VTA, the housing allowance, et cetera, that we alluded to earlier. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 51-13(3): Addictions Consultant Job Competition Advertisement

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 58

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health . Mr. Speaker, I refer to job posting number 01 1-0060TRW-005, consultant, addictions, East. Mr. Speaker, this competition closes on March 29, 1996. My question is why is this job advertised as a Yellowknife based position when clearly by description, the job should be positioned and physically located in the East. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm not sure about the reasoning for why it's only posted in Yellowknife, if that's the case. I would assume that if there was a job advertised throughout the Northwest Territories that it would also be advertised in the Eastern papers, the Nunatsiaq News and the Kivalliq News. I'll check into that matter and get back to the honourable Member. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that's not the focus of my question. My question was why this job -- that in the description indicates that it's a consultant for addictions, East -physically located in Yellowknife as opposed to being located physically in the Eastern Arctic. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm not entirely sure of the reasoning for that. It's probably because the office space and position is currently located within the headquarters level to administer services to the Eastern communities. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, would the Minister review this issue to see if there's a possibility of the position being physically located in the Eastern Arctic? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, I would be willing to take a look at it. Of course, it would depend on the most cost-effective way of delivering the service to the residents. The decision would be based a lot on that. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 52-13(3): Youth Employment Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 59

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education and Youth . With regard to the federal government budget speech about the new Youth initiative and resources in that area, has the Minister and the government looked at the possibility of taking advantage of these resources with regard to youth and the possibility of summer employment; accessing some of these resources? What's the plan of this government to inform the Members of this House exactly how they see these programs being delivered in the North? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 59

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the details on how that plan might work in the Northwest Territories were not available when my officials met with Human Resources Development Canada people just a couple of weeks ago. I did ask to be updated on the issue on Friday and have not yet heard back from my department. I do expect we'll have something for this House before the end of this week and the Member can be sure that I will pass it on as soon as I do have some more information. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Mr. Ootes .

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Item 10: Petitions

Page 59

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I wish to file a petition with respect to the public service lay-offs and wage reductions. The petitioners request that MLAs oppose the government's initiatives to cut positions and roll back wages of UNW members. Petition No. 3-13(3) has been signed by 17 people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 10: Petitions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Mr. Erasmus .

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Bill 5:

An Act To Amend The Motor Vehicles Act

Item 15: Notices Of Motions For First Reading Of Bills

Page 59

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Wednesday, March 27, 1996, 1 shall move that Bill 5,

An Act to Amend the Motor Vehicles Act, be read for the first time.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. Mr. Todd .

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Bill 1: Interim Appropriation Act, April 1 To June 30, 1996

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 59

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Baffin South , that Bill 1, Interim Appropriation Act, April 1 to June 30, 1996 , be read for the first time.

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Bill 4: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1995-96

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Baffin South , that Bill 4, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1995-96 , be read for the first time.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Baffin South , that Bill 1, Interim Appropriation Act, April 1 to June 30, 1996 , be read for the second time. Mr. Speaker, this bill authorizes the Government of the Northwest Territories to make interim appropriations for the period April 1 to June 30, 1996.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank You, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Baffin South , that Bill 4, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1995-96 , be read for the second time. Mr. Speaker, this bill makes supplementary appropriations for the Government of the Northwest Territories for the fiscal year ending March 31, 1996. Thank you.

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Bill 2: Write-off Of Debts Act, 1995-96

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

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Bill 3: Forgiveness Of Debts Act, 1995-96

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Baffin South , that Bill 3, Forgiveness of Debts Act, 1995-96 , be read for the second time. Mr. Speaker, this bill authorizes forgiveness of debt under

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Mr. Todd , did you say Bill 4 or Bill 3 ?

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That was Bill 3 , Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Question is being called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Bill 3 has had second reading and accordingly stands ordered to a standing committee. Item 18, second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Bill 1, Interim Appropriation Act, April 1 to June 30, 1996 ; Bill 4, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1995-96 ; Tabled Document 1-13(3), Report of the Commission on MLA Compensation, with Mr. Steen in the chair.

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The Chair

Vince Steen

I would like to call the committee to order. We have Bill 1 , Bill 4 and Tabled Document 1-13(3), Report of the Commission on MLA Compensation. How do you wish to proceed? Mr. Todd , would you like to proceed with Bill 4 ?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to suggest for the MLAs' consideration that we proceed with Bill 4, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1995-96. If we can conclude that, I would like to suggest that we move on to Bill 1, Interim Appropriation Act, April 1 to June 30, 1996. Thank you.

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The Chair

Vince Steen

We have heard the suggestion from the Minister. Are there any comments? If there are no comments or changes, we will proceed with Bill 4 , Bill 1 and then the Report on the Commission on MLA Compensation. We will ask the Minister to introduce the bill.

I think that the committee should take a break at this time.

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The Chair

Vince Steen

I would like to call the committee back to order. We are on Bill 4 . I will ask Mr. Todd to introduce the bill.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just have a few opening remarks. If you so wish, I could go to the table with witnesses. Mr. Chairman, Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1995-96, requests authority for additional appropriations of $1.810 million. The supplementary appropriation includes the additional appropriations of $2.732 million for operations and maintenance expenditures and a reduction of $922,000 of capital appropriations. These supplementary appropriations should all have funding offsets and will not contribute to the accumulated deficit. However, one of these revenue offsets

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Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Todd . I will now ask the chairman of the Standing Committee on Government Operations for his comments on the bill. Mr. Erasmus .

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Roy Erasmus

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Standing Committee on Government Operations met on March 23, 1996 to examine the items contained in Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 3, 1995-96. Committee Members agreed that the supplementary appropriation was ready to be debated in the House. Members will take this opportunity to raise any specific questions they may have. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Mr. Todd , would you like to bring in witnesses?

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I would, Mr. Chairman, thank you.

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Mr. Todd , please introduce your witnesses.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On my immediate right is Mr. Voytilla. He is with the FMBS.

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The Chair

Vince Steen

Next we have general comments on the bill by Members. Are there any general comments? There are no general comments. We will then go line by line, starting with page 5. Mr. Seamus.

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I noted Mr. Todd 's comments earlier that it would not substantially add or detract from the present projected deficit. Would he put a caveat on that as regard some negotiations with the federal government that are still going on? What are the implications there on that?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is in relationship to the recovery of the wage package that was related to the transfer of federal nurses to territorial nurses when we did the health transfer a few years ago. In previous arrangements, we have recovered these costs. We have every confidence, given the precedent established in recovery of these costs, that we will be able to cover these ones. Like any politician, we have to ensure that the language is sufficiently clear that it is understood that it is subject to negotiations with the federal government. Under previous negotiations, there was no problem with respect to the recovery of these costs.

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The Chair

Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Todd . I should have said Mr. Henry instead of Mr. Seamus. Do you have any more comments, Mr. Henry ? Are there any more comments from the Members? We will then deal with the detail of the bill before we proceed with the clause-by-clause consideration of the bill. We will start on page 5. We are under tab four of the general legislation binder.

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The Chair

Vince Steen

Page 5, Legislative Assembly, operations and maintenance, office of the clerk, not previously authorized, $114,000.

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Vince Steen

Total department, $114,000.

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