Debates of Jan. 30th, 1998

This is page numbers 441 - 469 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was program .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Review Of Seniors' Programs And Services

Delivery Of The Income Support Program

Arctic Winter Games Hockey Team Selection Process

Analysis Of Family Support Programs

Staff Housing Shortages

Recent Comments Regarding The Keewatin Region

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Family Support Programs

Midget Hockey Selection Process

Delivery Of Income Support Programs

Teacher Staff Housing Shortage

Setting Of Power Rates

Violence In NWT Schools

Winter Roads Into Wha Ti And Rae Lakes

Travel Funding For Graduating Nurses

Return To Conflict Question

Results Of The Environmental Audits

Details Of Aurora Fund Expenditures

Addressing Violence In Schools

Authority For Lease Approvals

Consistency In Non-violence Policies

Policy On Zero Tolerance For Violence

Reply 1-13(5): Ms. Thompson's Reply

Reply 7-13(5): Mrs. Groenewegen's Reply

Reply 8-13(5): Mr. Rabesca's Reply

Reply 9-13(5): Mr. Erasmus' Reply

Approval Of Formula Financing Agreement

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Motion To Defer Further Consideration Of The Program

Summary, Fmbs

Motion To Defer Further Consideration Of The Financial Management Board Secretariat

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 441

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 33-13(5): Review Of Seniors' Programs And Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 441

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, I would like to report the progress achieved to date on the Review of Seniors' Programs and Services in the Northwest Territories.

The government began a review last spring, in partnership with the NWT Seniors' Advisory Council, to evaluate the efficiency and effectiveness of existing programs. The Seniors' Advisory Council was contracted by the Departments of Health and Social Services; Housing Corporation and Education, Culture and Employment to carry out the review. The Council has submitted a report to the government providing recommendations on program delivery to better meet the needs of our northern seniors.

Mr. Speaker, the social envelope committee, in reviewing the report, has identified three key recommendations to be acted upon.

A second recommendation is to standardize the age of eligibility for seniors accessing programs. The social envelope committee is currently reviewing the implications and feasibility of standardizing the eligibility to those 60 years of age or older.

The third recommendation suggests developing a simplified and coordinated process of accessing programs and services for all seniors. The social envelope committee is reviewing the process to develop a common assessment form to simplify the process of applying for benefits.

My colleagues, Honourable Charles Dent and Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , and I will continue consulting with the seniors' advisory committee to further discuss the recommendations and to seek advice on the proposed action plans. Thank you, Mr. Speaker

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 33-13(5): Review Of Seniors' Programs And Services

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 124-13(5): Delivery Of The Income Support Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today in regard to the whole question about pay equity and the delivery of services between the small communities and the large centres. There seems to be a real misconception in regard to the service that we deliver in our small communities versus the larger centres. I talk, Mr. Speaker, in regard to the income support and the staff who presently deliver these programs in small communities. Presently as it exists that a full-time staff position is $50,000 and encompasses 2,000 applicants in a community. In the case of Aklavik with a case load of 694 people, the individual is paid $36,000 which is a part-time position.

In regard to income support in the smaller centres especially where you do not have an economic base, there seems to be a real demand on the individual and the program in those communities where you do not have the job opportunities and potential that a lot of the larger centres have. In regard to that we hear the debate regarding the pay equity question with the unions, but I think we are also finding ourselves that there has got to be equity in delivering programs in the communities on a similar basis to those in larger centres.

Mr. Speaker, at the appropriate time, I will be asking the Minister in regard to the Income Support Program exactly why is this injustice being done. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 124-13(5): Delivery Of The Income Support Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 442

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 125-13(5): Arctic Winter Games Hockey Team Selection Process

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to rise to speak about a situation relating to the Arctic Winter Games and specifically the selection of the minor hockey team that occurred. In my constituency and in the South Slave I believe there are a lot of very unhappy parents and disillusioned and wounded young hockey players. Apparently trials were held and a tournament was held in Yellowknife. A team from the South Slave came up and won the tournament yet for some reason ended up with only one player on the Arctic Winter Games team.

I understand that the team was picked by the coaches from Yellowknife which for some reasons ended up with eight or so players on the team. Needless to say, I have received letters and calls and a lot of issues were raised about this unfortunate incident. I have passed those on to the Minister.

I can only hope that the matter can be resolved; that, in fact, the concerns are addressed and that the players involved are not going to be totally disillusioned about the process where they played their hearts out, gave their best, won the tournament and for some reason - being politics or what ever the situation was - did not get recognized for their victory.

I think we owe the people involved a clear answer. I know the families are very distressed. This is a situation that is not going to go away and unfortunately adds a bad flavour or sense to the Arctic Winter Games which are going to be starting here in a month or so. So I will be asking the Minister for an update on this important issue so that the young hockey players in the South Slave and their families can get some satisfaction and some justice. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 125-13(5): Arctic Winter Games Hockey Team Selection Process

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 442

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 126-13(5): Analysis Of Family Support Programs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 442

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday in my Member's statement I spoke about issues that concern families and children. I followed up with questions to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment on the Healthy Children Initiative which I referred to earlier as the Early Intervention Program. Mr. Speaker, as I said yesterday, I believe that if we are going to focus on families and improving the future we need to work on the whole family not just pieces of the family.

I think that although we are moving in the right direction of trying to focus on earlier problems that occur in homes and the ability of children to learn in the school environment, I hope that we will be able to take some of the concerns being raised and input them into any changes that would be coming, as the Minister said, out of a review. Hopefully that review will happen sooner than later. We know, Mr. Speaker, at times once programs are established they are very difficult to change.

I am hoping that any of the reviews that are done are done as soon as possible and that changes to the program can be made quickly so that we can definitely have a positive impact on families across the north. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 126-13(5): Analysis Of Family Support Programs

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 442

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 127-13(5): Staff Housing Shortages

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 442

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday I tabled three documents concerning housing problems for our staff in the Baffin region and one document from the FAS/FAE volunteer group in Iqaluit. Over this past week when raising concerns, it would seem the fall back position of the government is to say show us the proof that your concerns are legitimate. Mr. Speaker, for example, one of the documents tabled had been sent to all MLAs and Cabinet concerning problems with staff housing and yet the government said they were not aware of the concern. Mr.

Speaker, I will later today, again, raise these questions and address the tabled documents for some clarity and now awareness of the issues. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 127-13(5): Staff Housing Shortages

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 442

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Member's Statement 128-13(5): Recent Comments Regarding The Keewatin Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to make an observation. My Member's statement today is about how we work together in a consensus style government to make things better for the people in our constituencies. Our Legislative Assembly is unique in Canada and, indeed, the world. Mr. Speaker, as we all know, just because we have a consensus government does not mean that we always agree. There is room for debates and arguments in this House, but that is not my concern. My concern is how we are handling conflicts and how the media is reacting to them.

We all know some leaders are taking advantage of these conflicts and using them to gain recognition through the newspaper, radio and television. Mr. Speaker, is it more important to get your face in the paper and on television than to prove your leadership professionally? This problem will only become worse as we draw near to the next election.

Recently we have been hearing a lot about the Keewatin. The Keewatin has been portrayed as a region in chaos and has even been referred to as having third world conditions.

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Member's Statement 128-13(5): Recent Comments Regarding The Keewatin Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Some Hon. Members

Shame, shame.

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Member's Statement 128-13(5): Recent Comments Regarding The Keewatin Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

I am very concerned that some of the statements that have been made in this House and in the media have been unfair to the residents of the Keewatin. Mr. Speaker, this humiliating label is unfair and insulting to the Keewatin residents and especially each and every one of the health board members of the communities. They deserve an apology. Our region has always been well

known for being pro-active and productive. I will challenge any one of the Members who have criticized the efforts of these community members to go and see them and repeat what they have been saying face to face. Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Member's Statement 128-13(5): Recent Comments Regarding The Keewatin Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Aivilik is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays?

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Member's Statement 128-13(5): Recent Comments Regarding The Keewatin Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Some Hon. Members

Nay.

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Member's Statement 128-13(5): Recent Comments Regarding The Keewatin Region

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

You do not have unanimous consent. Members' statements. Order, please. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Return To Question 149-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Lease Agreement

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to reply to an oral question which was asked by Mrs. Groenewegen on January 29th to the Premier , but it has to do with my portfolio and so I have the information on the Lahm Ridge Tower lease agreement.

Mr. Speaker, when an agreement was reached on the extension provisions on the Lahm Ridge lease, the Department of Public Works and Services was aware that the owner was attempting to negotiate a sale to 974102 NWT Limited. The department was aware of the names of the owners of the new company.

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Return To Question 149-13(5): Lahm Ridge Tower Lease Agreement

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure to introduce some young constituents from my home community of Arviat. They are from the Pathfinders and they are Michelle Illnik, Heather Main, Leah Muckpah, Sharon Owlijoot, Fiona Main, Bernice Niakrok, Karen Panegoniak and Nancy Gibbons. Also their leaders are present, Martha Main and Belinda Carter. Thank you.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the Minister responsible for Education, Culture and Employment . Yesterday I asked him a question regarding the Healthy Children Initiative and he answered me by saying that it is aimed at children. I would like to know if the Minister is aware of the concerns out there where families are the focus not just children and maybe he can give me more of an answer than I received yesterday. Thank you.

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Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and good morning. Mr. Speaker, I reviewed my response to the Member in Hansard I have to admit that the response does make it appear as if the programs can only serve children. I appreciate the opportunity to clarify. In fact, the focus of the programs that are approved must be children from ages zero to six, but there is a clear recognition that families also play a role. Therefore there are a number of programs which have been approved that do serve parents as well as the children. I would say that there is a clear recognition that the whole family plays a

part in dealing with children at risk. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Supplementary To Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Minister for the clarification on that. As I said yesterday, there was a proposal put forward within the community of Inuvik that focused on family situations. Could the Minister make me aware and Members of this Assembly aware that if a proposal is put in, what are the procedures when being accepted or refused? Thank you.

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Supplementary To Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Further Return To Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, funds have been allocated on a regional basis or a community by community basis so that we have targets for each community to make sure that one area does not eat up all of the funding leaving none for others. Community groups submit their applications which are reviewed by an interdepartmental committee at the regional level. The

applications do not come back to headquarters, they are reviewed in the regions. This interdepartmental committee will then weigh the merits of each application, consider the amount of funding that is available by community and decide on which of the projects proposed will receive funding. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Supplementary To Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform us the timing of proposals. For example, the upcoming year 1998, can proposals can be submitted as of April, 1st?

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Supplementary To Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Further Return To Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the current fiscal year, packages were sent out to communities in June advising community groups how they could apply. We have had updated packages put together so that there will be a better understanding of what constitutes a good program. As well, we have embarked on some training programs and put regional staff in place to help communities develop their proposals. Communities can approach regional staff, as in our regional offices, for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment for assistance in preparing applications.

Applications can be submitted almost any time because the funding will be in place, assuming approval of the budget, as of April 1st for new programs. Since some may be continuing programs we would expect that there will have to be some process whereby applications can be reviewed prior to April, 1st. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 152-13(5): Family Support Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 153-13(5): Midget Hockey Selection Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 444

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are addressed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs and it is in regard to the situation I referenced in my Member's statement about the midget hockey selection process which appears to have been badly manipulated and young hockey players' hopes and dreams trampled callously underfoot. I was wondering if the Minister could give us an update on this issue as I passed on to her some concerns clearly identified in letters from my constituents. Thank you.

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Question 153-13(5): Midget Hockey Selection Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister for Municipal and Community Affairs , Ms. Thompson .

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Question 153-13(5): Midget Hockey Selection Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you. It is my pleasure to be standing again. The Member for Thebacha has been coming to my office and raising this issue with me on a daily basis. I have contacted my department. I want to know all the details involved in the selection process and I do not have all the details yet. We are working on it. What I can say is that the Sport North Federation, under agreement with myself as the Minister of MACA , is responsible for selecting and managing the Team NWT for the 1998 Arctic Winter Games.

For the selection process, I do not have all the information yet and I will get that as soon as I can have my staff bring it to me because I need to have a clear answer for what has happened here. I am concerned also, as is the Member and the parents, and we will get that to them as soon as possible.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the issues of big concern to me coming out of this particular incident is that, in fact, now that this one has come to light there are comments and feedback that this is not an isolated case and that, in fact, when you start picking all-star teams, the system we have in place seems to be one that is manipulated. Would the Minister assure this House that she will take steps to ensure that this issue is addressed in its broader context so that it does not occur in other areas as well as I have been told that it does? Thank you.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Yes, Mr. Speaker, and I will also have the people involved in reviewing this process meet with the Member so that we can talk about this face to face. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One of the other final issues I would like to bring up today in regard to this particular matter is the fact that prior to this tournament it was apparently agreed to that the winning team from this tournament would go to another Canada Cup game down south, but for some reason once the South Slave won the tournament the rules changed and the Arctic Winter Games team was, in fact, chosen to go on this tournament that was formerly agreed to have the winner go, which was, as I indicated, the South Slave. Could the Minister also ensure that she makes a special effort to get to the bottom of that

particular issue as well? There has to be some reward for winning. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Education regarding income support. The question I referenced to in my opening statement is the injustice in the way programs are delivered in small communities especially when we talk about community empowerment where we allow communities to take on certain initiatives such as staffing the income support workers.

In regard to the program itself and the access to the people it represents, these are only part-time positions where, in other cases, we have social workers, human resource officers, nurses and what not as full-time positions in these communities. The demand for these individuals is high because of the number of individuals who, in most cases, in small communities are applying for income support and the demand is high. Yet the funds are not equally distributed based on a formula that has been worked out.

I would like to ask the Minister, has he taken into account these demands on individuals and communities in order to deliver the service more reasonably, has he reviewed it with a possibility of making changes to the program?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Income Support Program is delivered in many communities across the north now on a contract basis, wherein the department contracts with someone within the community to deliver the program. The funding for the position is one full-time equivalent for 2,000 cases per year. We have found in almost every community this is an acceptable ratio and seems to be successful. I know I have talked to the mayor of Aklavik and to the Member and there is some concern about the formula working in their community.

Part of the problem seems to be that the regional offices increased in that community. Funding in excess of the formula, approximately $14,000 a year, is in order to provide some counselling and additional client support. I would say to the Member, if there is a problem with that part of the program, I would encourage the community to talk to the regional office and outline the problem to see whether or not there is some way to deal with it. We are finding that the one full-time equivalent for every 2,000 cases is working across the rest of the territories.

Therefore, it is difficult for me to justify a change for one community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Regarding the whole question of only doing for one community, I do not believe I am speaking only for one community. We have the same problem in Fort MacPherson and also in Arctic Red. I believe, this problem arises in other small communities, not only the ones I represent. So, I would like to ask the Minister, who determines what is reasonable in regard to the context of who makes that final decision?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department came up with the formula in consultation with communities which had run the projects. The Members of the House will probably remember, we ran 11 pilot projects where we used community agencies to deliver the project before we offered the contracting out, or local empowerment option, to all other communities across the territories. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell me what will to take to do another review. In context of the program being basically in its first year, could we somehow see exactly where the problem areas are in doing another indepth review of how the programs are running today?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That sort of review is an ongoing part of the process. We are quite prepared to work with communities and discuss whether or not changes need to be made to programs, to make sure that they are delivered adequately. I do think that in the case the Member is referring to, it is essential that if there is a problem right now, the community needs to discuss that with the regional office. The additional functions that seem to be causing the problems were ones that were negotiated with the regional office. They are not part of the Income Support Program per se. They are not part of the one FTE for 2,000

cases per year. The additional funding that has been received is for counselling and other support, which appears to be the problem. Any problems need to be discussed between the community and the regional office. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the Minister's last comments of recognizing there is a problem and how the regional offices are delivering this program, could the Minister file a report in this House regarding the review and how exactly the program is running once the review takes place and file a report in this House on the review of the Income Support Program?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be happy to provide the House with a report on how the program is working. I want to make it clear that no group has been hired to do a formal report on this program. The review is an ongoing process that is done in concert with communities as the program is administered. Yes, I would be happy to file something in this House.

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Question 155-13(5): Teacher Staff Housing Shortage

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just going back to my earlier Member's statement. There were concerns with the tabled documents that were tabled yesterday. My first question is for Mr. Dent , the Minister of Education . It concerns the housing issue. Can the Minister update this House at this time if the department has been made aware of concerns and earlier concerns with housing? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do know that in conversations with the president of the NWTTA, there has been mention of the concern of the cost of housing and how the association believes this concern in some communities is leading to problems with morale among teachers. I am not aware of any problems where teachers are unable to find housing in a community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the tabled documents before this House I tabled yesterday was sent to all MLAs. I think it was addressed specifically to Minister Dent concerning a broad scope of housing concerns, including as the Minister just stated, concerns with a lack of housing and affordability of housing. Can the Minister update this House at this time what the department is doing to address some of these concerns? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, on an individual case by case basis as the department becomes aware of a problem in a community, we will work with the FMBS to try and address that problem. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think what we are saying here is, there are quite a few situations regarding problems with housing, not just specific individuals. For example, the cost of housing has been one that has been raised in several communities. Has the Minister's department looked at the concern with the cost of housing? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe I have already answered the question. We are looking at it on an individual basis. The Department of Education has no mandate to initiate a policy to provide housing. It would be a staff housing issue that the government would take a look at. As the Member is aware, it is our policy to get out of staff housing. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions are for the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation. Mr. Speaker, in preparing for division, we have to deal with the Power Corporation. Several of my constituents have been asking questions on whether Yellowknife is actually

subsidizing the rest of the territories. I would like the Minister to explain if he could, explain how power rates are set?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member has asked me a relatively difficult question as power rates are set in a general rate application process which takes years. Stacks of paper perhaps ten feet high are brought before the Public Utilities Board. I assume the Member means in fact, are the rates set so the costs are recovered on a community by community basis? The answer to that is, yes, following the last general rate application and approximately five years of work with the Public Utilities Board, communities and intervenors from across the North. The rates that the Power Corporation charges its customers are set so that each community pays its own way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Are these communities, are their rates set in zones of some sort or are they just set individually?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no, the Power Corporation had recommended to the Public Utilities Board that the rates be set in zones so there would be some sharing of capital investment across a range of communities. However, the Public Utilities Board decided that was not appropriate and has directed that the rates be set so each community pays its own way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Minister indicate whether one zone subsidizes another zone?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe I stated in my previous answer, there are no zones. The Public Utilities Board did not approve a zone type of rate. In other words, each community has its own rate and it is intended that each community shall pay its own cost of service. The two areas left in the corporation are an eastern division, and a western division, which have been set up to track costs east and west. I can clearly say there is no subsidization, for instance, of power rates in Nunavut by the rates in the Western Territory.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Specifically, as I have said, constituents have complained that they feel that the Yellowknife residents subsidize the power bills of other northerners. There even has been mentioned of that in editorials and other areas. Can the Minister indicate whether Yellowknife residents subsidize the power bills of other northerners?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have noticed today's editorial in the Yellowknifer, which does indicate that Yellowknifers subsidize almost all other northerners. I must say that I am deeply disappointed that a northern media outlet would publish such blatant balderdash.

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Some Hon. Members

Here! here!

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Yellowknife Frame Lake

It is terribly disappointing that they did not bother to pick up the phone and ask me the question.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

I would like to make it very clear, the people of Yellowknife do not subsidize the rates of power for any other community in the Northwest Territories.

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Question 157-13(5): Violence In NWT Schools

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education , Mr. Dent . It is on the subject of violence-free schools. I have been informed that on a daily basis, teachers are reporting incidents of unacceptable behaviour in the classrooms. Teachers are leaving the north because of violence. To date, there have been eight teachers that have terminated their employment with the Government of the Northwest Territories. I wonder if the Minister could tell us

if this is posing a problem with recruitment of teachers to the north.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have talked to the president of the NWTTA about the issue and have agreed to work with the association to find ways to address it. I am not aware that, to date, violence in northern schools has led to a problem with recruitment. It would appear that our problems with violence, on average across the Northwest Territories, are probably less than what you find in southern schools. In terms of what teachers would have to deal with in the north as compared to the south, it tends not to be quite as bad.

That does not mean that any violence is acceptable, Mr. Speaker. The thrust of our program working with the association and divisional education councils as our partners will be to try and find some way to ensure that the school environment is safe and conducive to learning. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Does the department have an anti-violence policy or a policy to deal with violence in the class room?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, every divisional educational council must develop its own policy. We, at the department level, are willing to work with them, hopefully, in concert with the association to develop these policies. Thank you Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. From what the Minister indicated just now, I do not believe there is a violence policy in place. But the Minister said he would be willing to have his officials work with boards and the teachers' association.

However, my question is, if there is no strict and hard policy, then can the teachers use the zero tolerance policy for verbal abuse and violence, to be applied? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I did not say that there is no policy. I said, each and every divisional education council is required to have a policy on violence in the schools which must be followed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

The Minister did not answer my question on the zero tolerance policy, whether it would apply in the classroom. I wonder if he could answer that and if I may have my final question, Mr. Speaker?

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Thank you. You did get your final question. Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will repeat my answer. The teachers must follow the policy set by each divisional educational council. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 158-13(5): Winter Roads Into Wha Ti And Rae Lakes

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Page 448

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to refer my question to the Honourable James Antoine, Minister of Transportation , regarding the fate of the winter road that is going to Wha Ti and if possible, if it is in the community, and is the other

section to Rae Lakes, when it is going to be completed and when it is going to be into the community? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the work by the contractor into the winter roads into Wha Ti and into Rae Lakes started in early January. There is some way to go yet. I am just waiting for some detailed information from my department on exactly the status of when these roads will be completed and when they will be going into the community.

My information right now, roughly is depending on the work and the problems they are running into. It might be within a week or so that these roads will be operational. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My apologies for calling you Mr. Chairman. I would like to direct the same question to the same Minister regarding the winter road and the possibility of going into Snare Lakes. I wonder if the government is looking into it to see whether the supplies may be coming into the community of Snare Lakes through the Colomac Mine road? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the winter road into Snare Lakes is going ahead this year because the main

section of road going into Colomac Mines. The information I have is Colomac will be putting a road to their mines to demobilize the material from their mine site. As a result, we as a government use that

section and attach a 106 kilometre link from Colomac Road to Snare Lakes.

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section has been tendered out about three weeks ago. There are a number of materials from the Housing Corporation to petroleum products. Northland Utilities, MACA and the band have different types of materials which are going to go into there. As I understand it right now, this road will be completed sometime in February. Middle to late February is the timing for this road to be put in there. Thank you.

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Question 159-13(5): Travel Funding For Graduating Nurses

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Page 449

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister for Education, Culture and Employment . Mr. Speaker, can the Minister advise this House whether there is any funding allotted for nursing graduates? I should say, nurses who are about to graduate that have to travel to Yellowknife or Iqaluit to write the final exams. Is there any funding available for travel for them to get from Arviat, for example, to Yellowknife? Thank you.

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Thank you. The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the funding which is included in student financial assistance would not be specifically for travel to attend a pinning ceremony. The travel would be typically provided at the beginning and end of semester. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, just last week or so, we had a graduation or pinning ceremony here for the new nurses. I believe, these nurses come in to write their final exams at the same time they have the pinning ceremony.

My question to the Minister is, is he saying there is no funding available for these nurses? For example, they have to travel from Arviat to Yellowknife to write their exams. It is up to them. It is their cost as opposed to someone living in Yellowknife. There would be no cost for the travel, no airfare, no hotel costs. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know that we would look at providing a change to the Student Financial Assistance Program. We are looking at funding travel to a graduation ceremony. There is a bit of a complicating issue here. It is that the students must also write the Canada Nurses' Association training services test to finish their program. It has to be written at the end of concluding their practicum which they can perform in Iqaluit, Inuvik or Yellowknife.

There has been some occasions, a gap in the time between the completion of practicum and writing of the exam, which has necessitated some travel. In that case, I would think we would have to take a look at redrafting the rules of the Student Financial Assistance Program to allow the costs of travel to write the test to be included. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker. I am not sure if the Minister is stating there is no funding available for nurses to come in and write their final exam if they have to travel, for example, from Arviat to Yellowknife. If that is the case, will the Minister agree to look into this issue to ensure there is some type of funding available so that somebody travelling from Arviat to Yellowknife, their travel or flight is paid for. It does not seem fair that somebody in Yellowknife, Inuvik or Iqaluit would not have this extra fee or cost. I would ask the Minister if he would consider that.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what I indicated previously was that in redrafting the Student Financial Assistance Program, which is under way right now following recommendations from the ministerial forum, we will take a look at that very issue. If students are required to travel following the end of their course to write an exam, yes, we will have to look at funding that. The current regulations do not allow it at present, but as we are changing the program. We will consider it.

The other thing that I mentioned is that each of these students will always have to conclude a practicum. There may be some way to make sure the exam could be written at the end of the practicum in the community in which they have performed the practicum which would avoid extra travel cost. That will be what we will try to do first, time things so there is no extra cost to the program. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier . It is in regard to return to an oral question made by Mr. Picco . In regard to the conflict of interest in which you said there was an independent review to see if there was a conflict. My question to the Premier is, did the Premier address the conflict of interest charges by Mr. Picco with the Conflict of Interest Commissioner?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Picco did not make any conflict of interest charges. Thank you.

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Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the questions raised by Mr. Picco in regard to conflict of interest, I would like to ask the Premier , did he address the conflict of interest by Mr. Picco with the Conflict of Interest Commissioner?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No.

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Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Would the Premier ask for the opinion of the Conflict of Interest Commissioner on this particular matter?

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Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is no requirement for that. Thank you.

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Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Premier why there is no need for a request from the Conflict of Interest Commissioner on this matter?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is very clear from Hansard in my return to an oral question asked by Mr. Picco yesterday. I believe I made the return. Neither Minister is compensated either directly or indirectly for work activities associated with the Aurora Funds. Therefore, they are not in a conflict of interest as defined by the Legislative Assembly and the Executive Council Act. Thank you.

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Mackenzie Delta

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Why will the Premier not ask the Conflict of Interest Commissioner for an opinion on this matter?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I already have an opinion. Thank you.

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Question 161-13(5): Results Of The Environmental Audits

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the interim review, the Minister in charge of the Power Corporation committed to this House to provide the results of the environmental audits carried out by the Power Corporation in January. I wonder if the Minister could update us if he is going to table that today? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, unfortunately, I do not have that document available for tabling today, but it will be before the end of this session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

I would assume, Mr. Speaker, from that, then, the Minister has seen the document. I am wondering if the Minister could update us then, again, on what is happening with the environmental audits? What are the concerns here? How many liabilities do we have? It is very interesting and I would point out because we are, indeed, looking at the division of the Power Corporation. So, my supplemental question to the Minister is, could the Minister provide us with an update now, orally, on the environmental audits? Thank you.

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Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In fact I have not seen any such document yet, so I cannot respond to the Member's question.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is the Minister indicating then that the question is taken as notice that he will not be answering that question right now or could I follow up with a supplemental question on the environmental audits?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know the rules of this House quite well and I did not take that question as notice. My response was that I have not seen the report. In the previous answer I had told the Member that the report would be tabled before the end of this session. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, Mr. Dent for that lesson in House procedure, I appreciate it. Mr. Speaker, my supplemental question then on the environmental audits is, can the Minister tell the House at this time, indeed, if there is any serious situation regarding environmental audits as outlined in this report that he has had briefing. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, having not read a report that has not been on my desk yet, it is difficult for me to respond to a question asking if there might be some problems in that report. I have given my commitment that the report will be in this House before the end of session. That is the only response that I can give.

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Question 162-13(5): Details Of Aurora Fund Expenditures

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Honourable John Todd , Minister responsible for the Aurora Fund, in response to Mr. Todd 's Minister's statement on the Aurora Fund which was recently presented here in the House.

My question, Mr. Speaker, is the report refers to approximately $1.5 million which has been expended in marketing, sales fees and initial start up costs. Previously in the House my colleague from Iqaluit had questioned the Minister on the seeming lack of information that was available in the public regarding this fund. I would like to know if the Minister would be prepared to outline for us what that $1.5 million was spent on? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can get a very detailed response for my honourable colleague but I will outline today some of the areas where the costs are. You have

got costs on the front end for the agent, Mr. Lockyer, who goes out and sells the fund and travels all across Asia and the Middle East. That is significant. There are fees that we attach to the sellers of the fund. There is a fee we attach to the investment manager of the fund. There are travel expenses. There are some marketing dollars, et cetera. Most of the money, I believe, if my memory serves me correctly, most of the dollars are really attached to the fees that we expend on the front end to the sales agents that go a