Financial Administration Act, Wildlife — 10 October 1997 (13th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 1529–1555)

1997-10-10, 13th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 1529–1555

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Financial Administration Act, Wildlife — 10 October 1997 (13th Assembly, 4th Session, pp. 1529–1555)

1997-10-10, 13th Assembly 4th Session, pp. 1529–1555

Northwest Territories — Debates (Hansard)

Debates of Oct. 10th, 1997

This is page numbers 1529 - 1555 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was support .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister Absent From The House

Progress On The Western Constitution Process

Tuktoyaktuk Tourist Facilities

Marine Facilities Funding

Family Values

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Baffin Regional Health Board

Marine Infrastructure Program

Paniksak Park

Aurora Fund Marketing Strategy

Records Of Employment

Baffin Regional Hospital Construction

Schedule

GNWT Personnel Secretariat

Affirmative Action Hiring

Residency Requirements For Tax Purposes

Canadian Pension Plan Contributions

Increase In Rental Rates

Treatment Of Cardiac Patient

Hiring/dismissal Process For Health Boards Ceo's

Changes To Non-insured Health Benefits

Overcrowding At Arctic Bay School

Boarding Home Operations

Family Values

Fairness And Equity

Tabled Document 109-13(4): Constitutional Working Group: Proposed

Schedule Of Events (october 1997 - March 1999).

Bill 24:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Motion To Amend Clause 1 Of Bill 3

Motion To Extend Sitting Hours To Conclude Item Under Consideration: Cm 96-13(4)

Item 20: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Third Reading Of Bills

Absence From The House

Bill 4: Children's Law Act

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 1529

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Good morning. I would like to update all Members on how our colleague, Mr. Evaloarjuk , is doing in the hospital in Montreal. Mr. Evaloarjuk is doing well and able to walk independently with the help of a cane, although he has some pain in his wrist. He has an appointment on October 15th and he will be informed then when he will be discharged. It is a pity that he will not be home with his family for Thanksgiving. Mahsi cho.

--Applause

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 1529

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Morin .

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Minister's Statement 116-13(4): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1529

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House today to attend to a personal matter in Fort Good Hope. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 116-13(4): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1529

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 117-13(4): Progress On The Western Constitution Process

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1530

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to report progress on efforts to establish a constitutional framework for the new Western Territory. In June, the Constitutional Working Group released a report following its first round of public consultation last winter. The Round One

Summary Report provided an overview of the first round of community consultations including areas of agreement, areas of concern and a working group response to most issues.

It also provided the public with:

-a legal, historical and political context,

-the principles and objectives guiding the working group process,

-summaries of four possible models of government for the western Northwest Territories,

-the purpose and description of a possible companion self-government agreement, and

-answers to some commonly asked questions about western constitutional development.

Over the summer, working group members made presentations at the annual assemblies of each aboriginal organization, as well as, board meetings of the NWT Association of Municipalities and the NWT Chamber of Commerce. Generally speaking, people were satisfied the working group had responded to concerns expressed during the first round of public consultations. In particular, they were pleased that the working group has adjusted its work plan to ensure the public is kept well informed and involved in the development of a new constitution.

The working group is preparing materials for its second round of public consultations, scheduled to begin in January, 1998. Members want to provide the public with new information and give them an opportunity to further explore and discuss options before making a firm recommendation on a single model next summer.

Progress on a constitution for the west is closely tied to progress in negotiating aboriginal self-government agreements. Working group members are very sensitive to this issue. The materials being developed for public release will include as much information as possible on the meaning and substance of aboriginal self-government, the linkages between self-government arrangements and a future territorial government for the west.

Constitution building is, by necessity, a slow, careful process. However, progress is being made, and with the continued support and involvement of the public, I am confident we can bring this project to a close in the near future. The people of the west will have a new constitution upon which to establish a system of government that can effectively carry the new territory into the next millennium. Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 117-13(4): Progress On The Western Constitution Process

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1530

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Steen .

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Member's Statement 465-13(4): Tuktoyaktuk Tourist Facilities

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1530

Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since today is Friday, I believe it may be appropriate for me to make this statement at this time. Mr. Speaker, for the past two years the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development has been constructing tourist facilities in the Hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk. I believe that these facilities are completed and ready for use by the tourists during the summer months. The tourist facilities are located in the small area designated as an NWT park and consists of tent frames, as well as, two outhouses. There is a sign erected indicating the area is called Paniksak Park.

Over the past summer, I have been approached by the tour operators in Tuktoyaktuk as to information concerning these park facilities. In particular, the tour operators requested information such as:

1. who dedicated the area as a park?

2. who named the park and what or who does the name represent?

3. who is responsible for maintaining the park facilities?

4. who has the keys to the facilities?

Mr. Speaker, I committed to follow up on these questions. Therefore, at the appropriate time today, I will be asking the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , these questions, in particular, who has the keys to the washroom in Paniksak Park? Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 465-13(4): Tuktoyaktuk Tourist Facilities

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1530

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Steen . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Member's Statement 466-13(4): Marine Facilities Funding

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1530

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The community of Broughton Island has been told that there is a program where they can apply for money to build docks. The community would like information on how to access this program. They have made requests for information on the program but have not had any replies. There is a Marine Infrastructure Program within the Department of Transportation that has funds for building docks. The community of Broughton Island has not been able to gain access to this program. For this reason, I will pursue this matter later. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 466-13(4): Marine Facilities Funding

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1530

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 467-13(4): Family Values

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1530

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about families and family values. Two years ago during an election I spoke about families. The way I see it, strong families lead to strong communities. Mr. Speaker, indeed, when we speak of families, a large majority of us would picture grandmother, grandfather, mother, father, brother, sister, children and grandchildren. In fact, as a government, many of our programs and services are based on families. Housing, education, health care, and indeed many of our laws and regulations are set up to protect children and how, as a society, we raise them. Mr.

Speaker, none of us would be here today if it was not for our mothers and our fathers who in a moment of intimacy conceived us. It is very important, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when I come to this building on a daily basis, in the morning and sometimes late in the evening, using one of Mr. Picco 's claims, I am reminded on a daily basis something that is special to me. It is a gift I received from my children and my wife. It is a cup that I drink my coffee from and on this cup it says, "Dad, Wise Teacher" and below that it says, "I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth". Mr.

Speaker, as a government we set rules and regulations in place that govern the rest of our society or the territories. We should be basing those on truth and in the mornings when we come to meetings here, we ask for guidance and wisdom. I hope today we have all listened very carefully to the guidance and wisdom that is coming our way. Thank you.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 467-13(4): Family Values

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1530

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1530

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Geraldine Balzer, vice-principal of the high school in Kugluktuk and the secretary of the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1530

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1531

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is a pleasure today to introduce in the gallery the sister of someone who is no stranger to this House. Pat Thomas has her sister visiting from the south. Her name is Betty and she is no stranger to politics as well having served as an EA in the Alberta Legislature, for the Minister of Personnel. Welcome to the House.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1531

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1531

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Geraldine Balzer. I have worked with her when I was involved in the publishing of the publication called Communicate. That is the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association publication. Geraldine continues as the editor of that publication and is also the secretary of the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association and vice-principal of the school in Kugluktuk. Welcome to the gallery.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1531

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Barnabas .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1531

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Elizabeth Allakariallak Roberts. Elizabeth has retired after 19 years of Government of the Northwest Territories service and she presently is my constituency assistant in Resolute Bay. In the past, she performed a great deal of volunteer services with the Northwest Territories Status of Women, Sport North and as the president of Resolute Bay Co-op. Presently she is a member of Resolute Bay community land and administration committee, the chairperson for Baffin Treatment Centre Board, and the community women's working group in her community. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 1531

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. I would like to recognize our law clerk and her sister, Lisa in the gallery. Welcome to the Assembly.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1531

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, after our meetings last week it came as a shock to have heard that Ms. Ann Hanson had resigned as chair of the Baffin Regional Health Board. Mr. Speaker, I spoke to Ann almost daily on Baffin Regional Health Board issues and, as I stated earlier, I know how much time and energy she put into the position. Mr. Speaker, with the recent cursory review of the Baffin Regional Health Board and the Keewatin Health Board, there is much concern with the operations of these agencies. Can the Minister for Health clarify how board members are appointed and does the department have any discretionary responsibility with these appointments? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Health and Social Services . Two questions.

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Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1531

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it has been the practice of myself, as a Minister of Health and Social Services , to receive nominations from communities if it is a community representative and have that individual appointed as their representative to regional health and social services boards. Mr. Speaker, I do have discretion, of course, if I deem the candidate not to be suitable, not to have to undertake their appointment. That has not been the case to date, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1531

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Supplementary To Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1531

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Minister has completed the cursory review as earlier stated. There is still concern with the amalgamation of health boards and social services. Has the Minister appointed any staff person to monitor the activities of the various boards in the Northwest Territories? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Supplementary To Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1532

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Ng .

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Further Return To Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1532

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker we have not had any direct employee tasked with that responsibility. However, as it has been indicated in the review that was undertaken of the Keewatin Health Board and the Baffin Regional Health Social Services Boards contemplated move, we recognize that we may, well we do, have to have a requirement to put in some monitoring and evaluation processes to provide some support quite frankly to the boards and quite frankly to provide additional insight as a ministry into the operations of boards to make sure we do not get into situations that may cause difficulty, Mr. Speaker.

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Further Return To Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1532

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Supplementary To Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, that seems to be a very serious concern right now with health boards in the Northwest Territories, especially in those two regions that we just talked about. I wonder what framework the Minister is looking at and, when does he think these people will be in place to monitor the activities of the board and ensure that indeed, the policies and regulations of this government are being carried out? Also, how the operations are being set up so that the health care is indeed at the level it is required for the residents of this territory? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Supplementary To Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Ng .

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Further Return To Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1532

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is important to recognize that the review and results of the review just came to me less than two weeks ago. I have directed the department to start to design and put in place that monitoring and assessment capability. I believe that certainly within 30 to 60 days we would have that completed. In the meantime, we are in regular contact with the board, CEOs and myself with the chairs on a regular basis trying to keep a sense of some of the issues and some of the happenings in the boards. Mr. Speaker, thank you.

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Question 650-13(4): Baffin Regional Health Board

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1532

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary. I am sorry you have already had your final supplementary. You had two questions in the first one. Mr. Enuaraq , oral questions.

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Question 651-13(4): Marine Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1532

Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Transportation , Mr. Jim Antoine . How do communities access monies that are in the marine infrastructure program? Thank you.

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Question 651-13(4): Marine Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Transportation , Mr. Antoine .

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Question 651-13(4): Marine Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the community usually just makes application to the Department of Transportation at the regional level. Perhaps maybe as an MLA you could bring that to my attention as a Minister. We try to work these requests into our business plan after we analyze each request. Thank you.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister indicate which communities benefited from this program in the last year? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the last few years there were a number of communities, particularly in the Nunavut area, that benefited from harbour enhancement. I do not have the list of the communities handy but there are a number of communities that over the years have benefited from this program and, it is a multi-year program, it is not a year to year program. The nature of the weather in the east and the nature of the sizes of the project we have to do a multi-year type of a planning. If the Member would like, I will get the department to compile the list of the communities that have benefited from this program and provide them with that information. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Steen .

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Question 652-13(4): Paniksak Park

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Vince Steen

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I identified in my Member's statement, there is some confusion in the hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk as to who is responsible for the maintenance of Paniksak Park, as well as, some questions as to how this park got named. I would be requesting the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism if he would be good enough to research these questions and if he may be able to supply this information to the hamlet of Tuktoyaktuk. Mr.

Speaker, I would like to point out that these tour operators did approach the hamlet staff as to background on the park and they were unsure of the information as well. So, although I am sure the urgency to use a washroom is long gone, it still might be a request to have this information put to the hamlet. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would be pleased to look into this issue for this Member of who actually named the park, whose idea was it for the park and who maintains the park, as well as, who has the keys for the washrooms in the park. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 653-13(4): Aurora Fund Marketing Strategy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1532

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of the FMBS responsible for the Aurora Fund. Yesterday, he made a generous commitment in this House that he would do a quick study and be able to report back to the House on the status of the marketing strategy for the rural fund in the north. Can the Minister indicate whether, in fact, given his busy schedule, he has been able to obtain that information.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board . Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, unfortunately my honourable colleague is correct, I had a very busy

schedule last night, worked late into the evening and started work early this morning at 6:30 a.m., quarter to seven and; unfortunately, I was not able to get a hold of Mr. Bailey who was equally as busy doing other things. I will commit to the House and to Mr. Picco particularly that I will give him a full briefing in this House on the marketing strategy for the rural fund later next week. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It was difficult to hear the Minister's reply where the violins in the background about the sad story about how hard he is working. I would ask the Minister if he would consider trying to, rather than wait late next week, since he had committed to do it this morning, if he would commit to doing it early next week so we can get that particular issue off the table and allow us to deal with more pressing agenda items.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker. Well let me humbly apologize to my colleagues for being unable to determine what the marketing strategy for this Aurora Fund is as I was busy trying to assist my honourable colleague, Mr. Kakfwi , in negotiating appropriate arrangements for BHP; speaking with Mr. Voytilla in an effort to continue to balance the budget and, of course, getting ready for this morning's debate. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the outline of the Minister's workload but he neglected to answer the question. Would he consider providing that information early in the week as opposed to late in the week?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think I could be ready for Monday, Mr. Speaker. That may be the appropriate time for me to make that approach. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Just briefly, I would like to, on behalf of the Member for Hay River , recognize her sister in the gallery. Janet, welcome to the Assembly. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger . Final supplementary.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister's offer to do it Monday would mean he would probably be here alone with the Thanksgiving turkey. I was wondering if he would consider doing it on Tuesday when the House is in fact in session? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

As the Premier has often told us we have to work during holidays, and I am sure, I will be here as I always am while my honourable colleague is enjoying a turkey. I will commit to giving the Aurora Fund Marketing Strategy on Tuesday so we can get on with the business of the House, balancing the budget, taking care of our constituents and all that stuff.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 654-13(4): Records Of Employment

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be directed to the minister responsible for FMBS. Yesterday I asked the Minister about Records of Employment and the timing of dealing with those and getting those out to the employees. The Minister responded by saying 30 - 60 days. I believe that is not correct and I am going to ask the Minister to inform this House what is the actual time this government has to have those Records of Employment in the employees' hands. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am so used to apologizing in the last two days and I have apologized more times in the last two days than in the last two years. So, I apologize to my colleague for misleading him yesterday. I believe the actual turnaround time is supposed to be seven days. I hope that he will accept my apology and my corrections this morning.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is not me he should be apologizing to, it is to those who are in the community that had to do without.

--Applause

I think an apology is kind of hard to eat. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister is this a federal regulation that we have to meet as a government to have Records of Employment in an employee's hands in seven days? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, well, once again, I apologize to everybody. For about the 16th time in the last two days. I believe it is a federal requirement and sometimes we are not able to meet that as the private sector is occasionally. As I said, on a serious issue we are trying to take steps to correct that. We do recognize that when

somebody gets laid off they need to find some source of income and unemployment insurance is one means of it. Once again, Mr. Speaker, just for clarity purposes, I apologize, I apologize, I apologize.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister inform us what are the results of not meeting those regulations? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not sure. I do not think there are any penalties, if that is where my honourable colleague is heading, but certainly it is the desire of this government to try to meet the regulations that are set forth in the federal system. It is our compassionate desire, as my colleague frequently talks about, to get the documentation necessary to collect UIC to our employees who have been laid off. I would have to check with my department as to the actual, if you want, legal requirements and the ramifications of not meeting those requirements and report back to him next week. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to follow-up my colleague's, Mr. Picco 's, question to the Minister of Health . My question is, does the Minister foresee any delay in the construction of a new Baffin Regional Hospital because of the recent resignation of the chair? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister for Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no, not as a result of the recent resignation of the Chair. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Mr. Ootes .

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Question 656-13(4): GNWT Personnel Secretariat

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, last week my honourable colleague from Yellowknife North, Mr. Erasmus , raised questions about the Personnel Secretariat and, in addition, I asked a question and the Premier provided a return to that oral question and stated that there were eight positions in the Personnel Secretariat. I have a question for the Premier to follow up on that and, that is, can the Premier tell us, considering the transfer of two employees and the vacancy of two positions, if this means the discontinuance of the whole secretariat? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at the present time as the Members are aware that we have gone through business plans with them of how our government is proceeding with next year's development of our budget. I do not know whether it would be proper of me to say, at this time, what would be happening in the future until we have our budgets approved by this Assembly as well as committees. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, since the Cabinet seems to be in a very generous mood this morning and very apologetic in areas, I wonder if they would be generous enough to commit to us that this is not the end of the Personnel Secretariat, Mr. Speaker?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, no.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the blunt answer from the Premier . I wonder if he could tell us if this was part of the 1997/98 deficit plan and if it was approved in that plan? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the current positions in the 1997 business plan of these there are eight. Two are vacant at the present time and six are staffed. Of the six, two are on transfer to assignments, one person is on leave prior to retirement in a position in Fort Smith. This, in no way, takes away from the responsibility of the Personnel Secretariat and the Personnel Secretariat is still responsible for auditing, training and human resources support to every department. The whole thrust of the government has been that we would put the responsibility of hiring and personnel training in the hands of the department, within the

management of that department and hold them accountable and that seems to be working quite well. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my concern is twofold. One is the priority, of course, and my first purpose is that we ensure service is provided to the necessary level that provides consistent and good service throughout the public and service. My second concern is the elimination of further positions. As the Premier well knows, I have continually expressed concerns for my community and the continual erosion of positions there. I want to ensure that this was part of the deficit reduction plan when it was approved this past spring. That is my area of concern.

I wonder if the Premier could tell us, will this secretariat be able to continue to function to the full level of service that it did previously with the reduced number of people? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there was never any intention of the Personnel Secretariat functioning at the same level as the Department of Personnel was functioning. That was never the intention. It was always very clear. There was open communication with the Members of this House that we were no longer going to have two different departments involved in the training, hiring, the recruitment, and the career pathing of government employees. The managers of every department were going to be responsible for that function, and they were going to be held accountable as well.

I do not see any downturn in any services to our employees. It is fairly straightforward and it seems to be working a lot better. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Premier . Mr. Speaker, a year or so ago, the Cabinet saw fit to do away with the Personnel Department which had been, I guess, monitoring affirmative action, monitoring the interviews and hiring practices of this government. When that was done, we were informed that the onus would now be on the deputy ministers and the Ministers to ensure that affirmative action was properly implemented. What I would like to know is, has the numbers of employees with affirmative action status increased since we put this onus on the managers? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will have the FMBS chairman answer that, he is in charge of that. Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not have the actual numbers with me today, but direction was given by the Premier to the Ministers that this was a priority of this government, and they would be held accountable in this House for their actions. We are, and were confident that by putting the political responsibility on the Ministers, that we would get a greater participation by aboriginal people in the Government of the Northwest Territories. I can provide my colleague, probably later next week when I speak to Mr. Voytilla, as to the results of our efforts to date and the future plans we have in relationship to increasing aboriginal northerners in the civil service. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the recommendations of the subcommittee on affirmative action was to increase the value of human resource programming, specifically affirmative action, within the performance appraisal so that how a deputy minister worked or their performance in regard to affirmative action would be part of the performance appraisal, and it would be given a higher value in their performance appraisal. I was wondering if the Premier is going to implement this particular recommendation? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have made it very clear to the deputy ministers of this government when they are to be evaluated. I will evaluate, sit down and discuss it with them once a year. I made it very clear to them that I want to see affirmative action numbers increased in this government. I want to see career plans, career paths and human resource development plans from the departments when I evaluate their performance soon. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand that the deputy ministers operate on bonuses. If these instructions

have not been complied with, is it possible that these bonuses could be affected detrimentally? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Guaranteed, that is the whole reason this new contract system was brought in with the deputies in the last government, so you can sit down and work out with your managers, at the beginning, what is very clear the direction of government. This is the priorities of the government. This is how we expect our senior management to work and one of the highest priorities of this government is to ensure that our northern people are brought through the system, so they can end up being senior management. As well we do hire affirmative action. It will affect deputies' incentives which is in their contracts if those things are not met. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my questions are on the federal tax matters. Mr. Speaker, after getting several phone calls from my constituency concerning Revenue Canada it was getting a little tiring to have Revenue Canada continuing to hassle Northwest Territories' residents on northern benefits deductions and continuing to request residency information to the same people each year. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Finance Minister . Will he contact Revenue Canada to look at this harassment and see if northerners are unfairly being singled out for this northern benefit deductions? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would not categorize the Revenue Canada's request for information as harassment. They have a responsibility and obligation to ensure that the public purse is protected, but I know that my own colleague is correct. I have received the request myself about the need for me to provide them with additional information. I think it is probably just a bit a blip in the system right now.

I will talk to Revenue Canada later next week and see whether or not this is an ongoing decision, or whether it is just a strategy right now to determine the kinds of deductibles that we use for our people in the north. I think we are the only jurisdiction in Canada that has it. I am not sure, but I think we are.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand that the Yukon and certain parts of northern Quebec, Newfoundland, northern Alberta, have northern resident deductions. It may not be perceived as harassment. However, requesting the same information each year, asking the person to prove that he lived in the Northwest Territories, they must have something on file, Mr. Speaker, to indicate with the T-4 slip, so on and so forth, that they are a resident. After saying that, Mr.

Speaker, continuing with my questions on tax matters, there has been negotiations underway with the federal government in basing the CPP, and the territorial government, of course, had been involved in that. I am asking questions on tax matters. This is a tax. What is it if it is not a tax? It is a tax. My question is on the CPP negotiations with the federal government. Can Mr. Todd update us on those negotiations?

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. It is a new question, Mr. Picco , but I will allow you to have your question asked to Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have had a number of meetings with the finance Minister from the provincial and territorial jurisdictions with respect to Canadian Pension Plan. We reached a recommendation, something this jurisdiction did, with Minister Martin with respect to the changes that we felt were necessary to bring it back into a fully funded situation and that was the first step. There are other meetings that have to take place I believe, in the new year, to carry on with discussions to ensure that the Canadian Pension Plan is fully funded for future generations like Mr. Picco . Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there has been several concerns that the Canadian Pension Plan will not be in place for people like myself when we retire in 20 or 30 years, as Mr. Todd has alluded to. So my question to Mr. Todd concerning these negotiations that have taken place and are underway is, when you are looking at the deductions based on the total income, can Mr. Todd tell us what the feeling is from these negotiations in dealing with the basing of the fund and the availability? Are we looking at an increase in each deduction for each taxpayer, what would that increased fee be? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did not realize that Mr. Picco was so young. Anyway, Mr. Speaker, there is a combination of actions that are required to bring the pension plan into what is called a fully funded position. One of these action plans could be an increase in the contribution rates,

possibility of reducing benefits, extending the retirement age from 65 to 67, tightening up the administration and disability claims and, Mr. Speaker, a very important one, changing the investment strategy. The investment strategy is a fairly conservative one. However, there are mixed views amongst finance Ministers which are understandable with different political and fiscal ideologies. So we are hoping that, by the beginning of the new year, we will be able to come to an appropriate compromise, move forward and ensure that the Canadian pension fund is there for Mr. Picco when he reach the ripe age of retirement.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, one of the major concerns with the Canada Pension Plan and other information coming from federal offices is that it is not translated into Inuktitut for unilingual people, especially in smaller communities, where you do not have access to people to help you. I wonder if the Minister could tell me if he had related that concern last year, when I asked him about with the federal officials on having some type of mechanism in place so that our residents, who are not able to speak either of the two official languages in this country, can still be serviced as residents and taxpayers of this country. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

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I am sure my honourable colleague recognizes this is a national policy and, while we all respect and understand the sensitivities of languages, that it would be difficult, I would suggest, to get the federal government to consider perhaps looking at the north in a slightly different way than they look at the rest of the country. I did bring the matter up to the Department of Finance in our discussions and to date I have not had a response. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am glad that the Minister has brought that concern up and, it is a major concern. I wonder if the Minister would commit to contact the federal officials again to find out, with the new tax year coming up and people having to report again to Revenue Canada, that there is some mechanism in place, or at least from his own Department of Finance, that he could have people on the ground to help facilitate our residents. They can make sure that the forms that are sent out in very convoluted language are understood so that people know their responsibilities, and to help them facilitate responding to the requests made by Revenue Canada. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Well, Mr. Speaker, as Mr. Picco knows, when you ask a question at the federal level you get a response. So we will just have to wait until that response comes. I am saying this is a national issue, a national policy, and it will be difficult. If I could be frank with my honourable colleague, it would be difficult to get special consideration in relationship to any federal forms, et cetera. I agree with my honourable colleague that these tax forms are quite complicated.

I guess the only way to answer that, is that, we will have to wait until the federal government gives us their response to the request that was asked by Mr. Picco . I asked them and we wait and see what they say to us on their return whenever that may be, hopefully in the new year. Thank you.

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Question 660-13(4): Increase In Rental Rates

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, recently Toonoonik Sahoonik Co-operative in Pond Inlet purchased units from this government. There was to be no increase in the summer of 1998. The Co-op has no alternative but to increase the units due to the Canadian Mortgage Housing Corporation requirements as far as down payment, equity required mortgage due to their remote location status of these units. For instance, one unit will rise by 68.5 percent; two-bedroom unit will rise by 20.7 percent; and three-bedroom unit will rise by 36.5 percent. What will the Minister of Finance do to address this problem? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, Mr. Speaker. I might just stay standing. Mr. Speaker, first of all there is some great difficulty with the changes in the mortgage conditions in terms of conditions and my honourable colleague, Mr. Arlooktoo , has been working fully aggressively with CMHC and the federal Minister responsible. I think it will be fair to say we have not had much luck, at this stage, of trying to convince them that CMHC should view the north no differently than it views anywhere else in Canada. That is the one side.

There is a legitimate concern up there by developers that CMHC has changed the rules of engagement and, there is a requirement for a greater down payment on commercial residential properties than was there before. On the other side of the equation, I have said consistently, when we went to sell the staff houses, that we were hopeful the teachers along with butchers, bakers, and candlestick makers would choose to buy the houses at a significantly discounted rate. Some teachers, for whatever reason, decided not to.

Therefore, they were bought by private developers like the Toonoonik Sahoonik Co-op and their rents have to reflect the financing and the cost of the facility. In this particular instance, I did get a note from my honourable colleague which I appreciate. We will look into the fact that it appears, at least in print here, that

some of these rents may be getting raised to the tune of 36.5 to 68.5 percent. If that is the case and there is not a defensible position with respect to it, they will have some discussions with that developer. If we have no success, then as I said before in this House, we will find alternative housing for the teachers.

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Question 661-13(4): Treatment Of Cardiac Patient

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was not too sure if it was a Picco. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services in regards to an incident that happened in my riding for an individual complaining of chest pains. He went to the local hospital and after waiting for almost four hours to get the results back from Inuvik, they finally decided to send the individual to Inuvik by taxi. Basically, it is a two and a half hour ride and upon arriving in Inuvik, he waited in emergency for another two and a half hours. At that time he was diagnosed to have had a heart attack. Mr.

Speaker, my question to the Minister is, is this appropriate action by the health board, the doctor, the hospital and also the means of transporting individuals who are complaining of chest pains? I would ask the Minister, is this the appropriate action of this government and is this the type of health care that we will be receiving in smaller, isolated communities or will something be done about it? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, the boards have the responsibility for delivery of programs and services that includes the responsibility for transportation. I cannot speak on the specific circumstances the honourable Member mentions. I will ask the department to get a status report from the Inuvik Regional Health and Social Services Board. I cannot speak on the appropriateness of it as well because I do not know what the diagnosis would have been by the health care professionals in this case, both in his constituency and the referring physician, that would have been based in Inuvik.

But I will undertake to find out the circumstances surrounding this incident, speak to the honourable Member on it and determine what the circumstances were, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No offence to the health board. The question was directed as a Minister who is responsible for health care of the residents of the Northwest Territories. My question was, is this appropriate action by your department?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am the Minister of Health and Social Services and ultimately responsible for the health care of residents throughout the Northwest Territories. The boards or the public administrators, if there are no boards, are responsible for the delivery of programs and services. They have the mandate on how they deliver those services given that we have to make sure they are adequate and reasonable. As I indicated to the honourable Member in this particular circumstance, if there were actions that may not have been appropriate, we will find out.

We will find out that if that was the case, what recommendations would be made to the board in trying to alleviate the possibility of that type of circumstance happening again, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regards to the whole issue of complaints, maybe the Minister could clarify exactly what the mechanism is. I mean, on one hand you say it is the responsibility of the health board but the individual who do they complain to? They complain to us, as Members of this Legislature, to represent them or is there a 1-800 number they call you direct at your office?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, obviously individuals could lodge complaints with whomever they may choose. I would suggest to them, depending on the nature of the complaint, that they first approach the health care professionals in their community. If they cannot get resolution to that issue, approach the CEO at the regional board level; failing that, to the chair whether directly or through the trustee of that community; failing that, to their MLA's and to the ministry.

There are different avenues, of course, depending on the circumstances but I think, if you work your way through the process and you are not satisfied with the answer then you can move it on to the next level, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, does it not sound like a lot of red tape that you have to go through to lay a complaint? It seems like the bureaucracy we have is heavy enough as it is without having to go through every nook and cranny to lay a complaint. Do you not think that we should simplify it so basically there is a 1-800 number where an individual does not feel that they have been treated right.

I hear a lot of that especially in the smaller communities where you go to the nursing station, basically, you have an ache in your tummy or whatever, they tell you to take a couple of aspirins and go home and then they come back. By the time you diagnosis them it is something else. Is there a way of streamlining the system? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, certainly the issue of having a possible advocate on behalf of health and other matters has been an issue that has been considered. Right now, as we all know, we are going through a major reform of our Health and Social Services systems both in the governance and the delivery. I would suggest that we are not trying to make the circumstances difficult for individuals to resolve their issues or bring forth their issues. But certainly if it happened in the community level first of all, no matter who it is, they have to go back to find out the circumstances surrounding the case.

There are always two sides to every story. We have to start from somewhere, and to begin at the community level is the logical choice as the first incidence of treatment began, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there have been several concerns about different CEOs of different health boards and how they are hired. I wonder if the Minister for Health can inform me what the process is for the hiring and dismissal of CEOs of health boards. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding that, technically speaking, the department still holds the hiring and the termination functions for CEO's although recognizing the move that we have towards empowering and putting out decision making to the regional health and social services boards that we have them undertake a lot of the recruitment process and the recommendations of hiring and firing so that they can be more fully involved in that process of hiring their CEO's, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, what type of circumstances would have to occur before the Minister or his department would step in and intervene in this type of situation? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I guess it would depend a lot on the circumstances. Obviously, if there were blatant issues about incompetency or misuse of board funds or possible abuse of powers that individual might have, it may necessitate myself as the Minister stepping in to deal with those circumstances, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, over the past several weeks we have heard a lot of talk about problems with the health boards, calls for resignations, and so on and so forth. I guess, to date, those circumstances did not warrant the Minister or the Minister's department to step in. I am wondering now, Mr. Speaker, after hearing the Minister, just now, talk about the different reasons he would see to come in, how would he find out about these occurrences about monies maybe misappropriated or other explanations that he gave?

How would he find out about those things if, indeed, the board, through this community empowerment initiative, has rights and responsibilities? How would his department find out about it? Would it be after the fact? How long after the fact, would it be too late? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, obviously, it would have to be an issue that was there. It would be pointed out either by an individual, an ordinary citizen, a member of the staff, MLAs or others. Certainly, if somebody were to get into those kinds of difficulties, it would not be a one-time event. It would be over the course of a duration that would flag it as far as attention goes that would raise the issue and the necessity, possibly for us to step in and, quite frankly, take a look to see if the circumstances were true and, if it were so, to take remedial action, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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