Debates of June 5th, 2012

This is page numbers 859 - 922 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was communities .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 21-17(3): The New GNWT Digital Communications Network

Minister’s Statement 22-17(3): Traditional Economy

Minister’s Statement 23-17(3): Official Languages Planning

Office Space Vacancy Rates In Yellowknife

Transitional Housing And The Residential Tenancies Act

Importance Of Summer Assemblies

Establishment Of A Housing Appeal Committee

28th Anniversary Of The Inuvialuit Final Agreement

Success Of The NWT Recycling Program

New Public Housing Rental Scales For Seniors

Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Vacant Office Space In Yellowknife

Transitional Housing And The Residential Tenancies Act

Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities Funding

Update On Devolution Negotiations

Mandate Of The NWT Housing Appeal Committee

Regulatory Regime After Devolution

Changes To Seniors Public Housing Rent Scales

Aboriginal Employment Strategy

Federal Issues

Fur Industry In Mackenzie Valley

Health Canada Plan For NWT Office

Diabetes In The Sahtu Region

Aviation Industry Memorial Program

Written Question 5-17(3): Climate Change Adaptation Costs

Changes To Seniors Public Housing Rent Scales

Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Human Rights Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:35 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Abernethy .

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Minister’s Statement 21-17(3): The New GNWT Digital Communications Network

Ministers’ Statements

Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Public Works and Services

Madam Speaker, when the 17th Legislative Assembly set its goals,

two of them were to support the growth of healthy, educated people and to operate an effective and efficient government. Today I would like to update my colleagues on an important development to the GNWT’s digital communications network, which is helping achieve those goals.

The network connects our 33 communities to the government’s communications system. Everything from critical department applications to Internet access and e-mail is delivered through this network. Without it, our ability to deliver high quality programs and services, especially in our remote communities, would be limited. It allows us to take advantage of new applications that enhance our services to the residents of the Northwest Territories. We recently entered into a five-year contract for the network that will improve the government’s ability to serve the people of the NWT.

Since work first started to establish the new contract, the Technology Service Centre worked closely with our two biggest users: the Department of Health and Social Services and the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. This helped us to better understand how technology can serve health and education. And it ensured that the new network would be flexible enough to grow with our government. We are now getting more bandwidth for the same price, and we can add more at a much more affordable rate. We’re also able to make sure that critical things like digital X-rays get top priority

when sending or receiving data. This is the most secure digital system our government has ever operated. We are committed to having the digital tools in place to be more efficient, more creative, and more cost-effective than ever before.

Our staff now have more ability to do in-house videoconferencing, reducing department travel costs. Communities that need it the most have had their bandwidth doubled.

In conjunction with the new DCN, and the future development of the Mackenzie Valley fibre link and the data communications improvements anticipated for the GNWT and all communities along its route, the benefits to the NWT will be significant in the years to come.

Madam Speaker, technology is critical to delivering our programs and services. I am confident that these improvements will benefit all of our residents in more innovative and cost-effective ways than ever before. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 21-17(3): The New GNWT Digital Communications Network

Ministers’ Statements

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. Ramsay .

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Minister’s Statement 22-17(3): Traditional Economy

Ministers’ Statements

Kam Lake

David Ramsay

Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment

Madam Speaker, the traditional economy is an important source of income for many Northwest Territories residents and one of the sectors that this government supports as part of our goal of a diversified economy. Today I would like to tell you about the remarkable sales of Northwest Territories wild furs this year and the government initiatives that support and promote this important economic sector.

Over $300,000 worth of genuine Mackenzie Valley furs were sold at the most recent wild fur sale held in North Bay, Ontario, last week. Beaver pelts, which had previously been underperforming at auction, went for an average price of over $26 per pelt, compared to $13 in 2011. This increase is due in part to a decision to ship all small and medium size beaver pelts to dressers and return them to the NWT for sale into the craft sector. This benefits traditional crafters and our trappers.

This past March at the wild fur auction in Seattle, our trappers received previously unheard of prices

for marten - $380 per pelt, and arctic fox - $200 per pelt, shattering previous high prices. In comparison, top price for marten in 2011 was $150, and arctic fox, $68.

I am pleased to say that total sales to date for the 2011-12 trapping season are over $1.3 million, and we still have one more auction left at the end of June. This will be one of the most financially rewarding trapping seasons in nearly 30 years. Most importantly, our trappers, families and communities will benefit from these increased sales.

The traditional economy not only plays an important role in ensuring culture and traditions continue, but also provides economic benefits. Food harvested from the land can reduce the cost of living in small communities and is an excellent source of nutrition. In fact, estimates of values of food harvest are approximately $20 million. When retail values are applied, this figure doubles.

Recognizing the importance of traditional harvesting, the Government of the Northwest Territories increased its funding this year to the Community Harvesters Assistance Program to over $1 million. This funding is distributed to local wildlife committees who, in turn, distribute funds in their communities. Program funds play a crucial role in covering a portion of costs for renewable resource harvesters.

Also, Madam Speaker, we want to ensure these traditions and methods are passed on for years to come so the traditional economy continues to thrive. Investing in youth programs is an essential part of this. The GNWT runs the Take a Kid Trapping and Take a Kid Harvesting programs, which introduce youth in the NWT to traditional harvesting practices.

Local instructors incorporate visits to trap lines and give youth hands-on experience setting traps, snares and fishnets. They also teach traditional life skills, as well as conservation methods and best practices in the preparation of pelts for market. This year over 2,200 youth took

part in 53 program initiatives across the territory.

By actively supporting the harvesting and marketing of wild fur through the Genuine Mackenzie Valley Furs Program, as well as supporting traditional economy programs, the GNWT is taking action to diversify the economy and provide all communities and regions with opportunities and choices. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 22-17(3): Traditional Economy

Ministers’ Statements

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 23-17(3): Official Languages Planning

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Madam Speaker, our languages make us who we are as individuals and as a society. Today I would like to talk about service improvements and revitalization efforts for the Northwest Territories official languages.

Recently we concluded the consultation phase of the French Languages Plan. The Fédération Franco-TéNOise is reviewing it and we hope to share it with Members of this Assembly very soon.

The Francophone Affairs Secretariat officially opened in April and is planning for possible inclusion in next year’s business plan, working with all government departments. We are also doing the early planning for an Aboriginal languages secretariat, an important part of the Aboriginal Languages Plan. We hope to include it in next year’s business plan. As well, we are hosting the second Aboriginal Languages Symposium next spring, and are beginning the planning process.

In partnership with the Yamozha Kue Society and district education councils, ECE led the development of several language learning apps for iPads and iPhones. They are available for free on iTunes and use games and teaching techniques to help people learn the basics of the NWT Dene languages. Future apps will feature Cree and Inuit languages. As well, the department supported the new Chipewyan dictionary produced in Fort Resolution. This 369-page resource was truly a collaborative effort, with education and language specialists, elders and youth involved.

I will be developing amendments to the Official Languages Act. In accordance with the wishes of the Dehcho First Nation we will rename the South Slavey language to Dehcho Dene. We will also eliminate the Official Languages Board.

Madam Speaker, I look forward to updating this House on our progress over the coming months. Mahsi.

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Minister’s Statement 23-17(3): Official Languages Planning

Ministers’ Statements

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Office Space Vacancy Rates In Yellowknife

Members’ Statements

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Yellowknife office or commercial market had approximately 20,000 square feet of vacancy or around 1.6 percent prior to June of this year.

Just recently the new federal government consolidated the Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development into a new building,

which then pushed our Yellowknife office vacancy rate up to 80,000 square feet or 6.4 percent vacancy.

We know that a recent RFP has closed for a new GNWT 60,000 square foot building to house devolution of Aboriginal Affairs from the federal government to the territorial government, knowing full well this building will hold very little net growth in terms of staff positions or expansion during the devolution transition.

In essence, Madam Speaker, we’ll have a new GNWT building with no new forced growth while this government gets their financial house in order over the next couple of years.

Consequently, this new GNWT building will add an additional 60,000 square feet of vacancy into the Yellowknife area, bringing the total amount to 140,000 square feet of vacancy and pushing our market vacancy at over 10.7 percent. This is the point of my statement today.

The historical absorption rate of office space in the Yellowknife area in better years of growth has been around 10,000 square feet per year. Given the future of the NWT during some very uncertain times, with the diamond mine transitions, MGP on hold and our high energy costs of doing business, one can only predict that we have anywhere from 14 to 20 years of inventory of commercial office space dusting on the shelf and force this jurisdiction into one of the worst real estate slumps this territory has ever seen.

To make matters even more troubling, by pushing the marketplace vacancy rates above the safe areas of 4 to 5 percent, we could in essence be sending the wrong message to our institutional capital markets that have been investing in the North, which could further trigger a loss of confidence in our community and erase decades of progress.

We cannot turn back the clock now, as it appears this government was given the mandate to proceed. However, I say with conviction here today that this government must not allow itself to trigger a real estate slump and it should carefully monitor the stability of the markets as we proceed with this new Yellowknife GNWT office building.

I will have questions later today for the Minister of Public Works and Services .

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Members’ Statements

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Transitional Housing And The Residential Tenancies Act

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today I want to speak to the third item in my trilogy about inadequacies in the Residential Tenancies Act.

Most people can appeal to the rental officer for an intervention and a decision to solve their impasse. However, the Residential Tenancies Act does not allow the rental officer to deal with renters and landlords of transitional housing. There is no definition in the act for the term “transitional housing” or “transition home” so the rental officer has no authority over this kind of rental premise.

This failing was recognized by the NWT rental officer in his latest annual report for 2010, tabled in this House in 2011. The rental officer said, “Transitional housing is an intermediate step between living in a shelter or homelessness and independent living. Transitional housing is typically provided for a term and offers tenants their own private rooms and supportive living environment, including opportunities to develop the life skills necessary to maintain independent living.

This form of housing is gaining in popularity and is considered by many to be a missing component in the efforts to fight homelessness. The current act excludes this form of housing and, therefore, provides no statutory structure to transitional housing landlords or tenants, or any method of dispute resolution other than the courts. Expanding the application of the act to include transitional housing will clearly require specific provisions and exemptions that apply to the program. However, this is not unlike the current provisions that specifically apply to public housing.

Both landlords and tenants of transitional housing will benefit from the application of the act through defined rights and obligations, and a clear and simple dispute resolution process.” It says it very well.

The rental officer refuses to consider any conflict where transitional housing is involved, and rightly so. It would be against the law. He cannot consider intervention under the Residential Tenancies Act because there is no provision identified. As pointed out, the only avenue available to settle a dispute for transition housing landlords and tenants is for the parties to go to court; a rather unlikely prospect for most people, as I mentioned last week.

Amendments to the Residential Tenancies Act were done in 2008 but the issue of transition housing was not addressed. The government needs to amend the

definitions in the Residential Tenancies Act to provide for a definition of transitional housing. All NWT renters and landlords should be covered by this act no matter what type of accommodation they live in.

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Transitional Housing And The Residential Tenancies Act

Members’ Statements

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Importance Of Summer Assemblies

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Summer assemblies have been an important part of Aboriginal cultures for generations. They come from

the time when our people lived off the land, following the resources they needed to sustain their families. They travelled seasonally and lived in small family-based communities. Major regional decisions were made at large gatherings that happened at least once a year and most often in the summer.

This tradition continues today in all our regions. As we look forward to the summer, we look forward to the summer assemblies. They involve First Nation members of all ages and feature drum dances, Dene hand games and prayers.

These events are extremely important to our way of life, but summer assemblies do more than celebrate our culture. They are the time to discuss critical issues facing Dene people. As in times past, communities are represented at these discussions by their leaders and delegates. It is an opportunity for them to make decisions to guide the future of the Northwest Territories through a process that is equally important to the process we are engaged in here today.

Summer assemblies build consensus on the foundation of Dene laws, key values and principles including respect for all forms of life, respect for elders, the impacts of our decisions on future generations, sharing, acceptance of others, learning from our past and seeking spiritual guidance and wisdom.

These values and principles are even more important now as we face such issues as devolution, lands and resource revenue sharing, self-government, the role of land and water boards and our relationship with other governments. It is in our best interests to hold to these values and principles not only as First Nations assemblies but as leaders and decision-makers in a rapidly changing world.

We look forward to a season of summer assemblies that will strengthen the Northwest Territories. As a government, the GNWT must listen to the voice of the people represented at these gatherings and respond in respectful and meaningful ways to the outcomes of their decisions. Mahsi.

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Members’ Statements

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Establishment Of A Housing Appeal Committee

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mahsi cho, Madam Speaker. I begin with a little tongue-in-cheek today. I’m happy to learn that the NWT Housing Corporation has fixed the leaky faucet that has been dripping in this House for the last eight years. I guess all the comments from myself and Members during that time finally pooled into a flood that could not be denied.

Clients of the corporation now have a Housing Appeal Committee. It is fully independent of the NWT Housing Corporation, as Members and the standing committee recommended during the 16th Assembly. Two public representatives and three senior government employees have been named to the Housing Appeal Committee.

I am pleased to see that Nahendeh is well represented with Mr. John McKee of Fort Liard. Like Mr. McKee, the other appointees have provided distinguished service to the people of the Northwest Territories. Of course, all members of the appeal committee will serve clients of the Housing Corporation across the territory.

The committee’s task is to provide unbiased reviews of decisions of the corporation that clients consider unfair or incorrect. I am also hopeful that they can review past grievances, some of which are over 20 years old.

This is a good way to ensure that policies are justly carried out. I expect that the new appeal committee will prove helpful to all our constituents and may well have the added benefit of suggesting improvements for the Housing Corporation’s policies and procedures.

Applicants for housing and existing tenants will have access to this appeal mechanism. It will also be available to applicants and clients of the Housing Choices home ownership program.

Now that I have acknowledged a positive for the Housing Minister , perhaps I will ask my colleagues to join me in another long-standing issue. If we flick enough pebbles at the Minister of Transportation , perhaps he’ll find enough gravel to fix Highway No. 7. Mahsi cho.

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Establishment Of A Housing Appeal Committee

Members’ Statements

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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28th Anniversary Of The Inuvialuit Final Agreement

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today is a very important day for the Inuvialuit people of Inuvik and the Beaufort-Delta region.

The IFA is built on the hopes and hard work of the many involved and its continued success is attributed to the ongoing dedication of the Inuvialuit. The IFA was the first comprehensive land claim agreement signed north of the 60th parallel and only

the second in Canada at that time. Approved by the Canadian Parliament as the Western Arctic Claims Settlement Act, it took precedence over the acts inconsistent with it. The act was also protected under the Canadian Constitution in that it cannot be changed by Parliament without the approval of the Inuvialuit.

Today marks the 28th anniversary of the Inuvialuit

Final Agreement. I would like to take this time to wish the Inuvialuit people of Inuvik and throughout the Beaufort-Delta region, the NWT and Canada, a great day of celebrations and a happy Inuvialuit Day. I wish them further successes and achievements with their future endeavours. Quanami, Madam Speaker.

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28th Anniversary Of The Inuvialuit Final Agreement

Members’ Statements

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Moses . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Success Of The NWT Recycling Program

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I congratulate the government on our steady progress towards a greater environmental sustainability to the Waste Reduction and Recovery Program as reflected in the annual report for 2010-11 tabled last December. The report is a catalogue of good news. With beverage container recycling, NWT citizens achieved an 82 percent rate of return or about 25 million of the 30 million deposit containers sold. Twenty-seven locally operated depots, three satellite depots and three processing centres are providing 12 full-time jobs, 30 part-time jobs and five seasonal jobs, plus opportunities for volunteers and community groups to make money from waste.

Now in its sixth year, the program has resulted in a return of more than 135 million beverage containers that might otherwise pack our landfills or pollute our land. While the cost of return transportation for collecting containers are expected to rise as NTCL transitions the full price for backhauling, the program is up and running, set for success.

Progress in the Single-Use Retail Bag Program is equally impressive. The year of 2011 saw the extension of the program to apply not just to grocery stores but to all retail stores. Good marketing and public education programs help us

adopt this new shopping habit and cloth shopping bags. Good riddance to this major source of litter in landfills.

The Waste Paper Product Initiative has completed its three-year run. High transportation costs and low waste paper resale value present challenges, but progress is being made in some centres. Environment Fund revenues exceeded expenditures by $465,000 and ended the year with a strong positive balance.

Past surveys have indicated public desire to see electronic goods such as TVs, personal computers and microwaves recycled, with further research underway to identify options. Action on tires, batteries and other recyclables are on the horizon, hopefully. We are getting good guidance from our Public Advisory Committee. I look forward to the management review underway and new program efficiencies.

People have embraced the opportunity to live more lightly on the land. We are helping our next generation develop positive consumer habits and we are throwing away the throw-away society. I am confident this government and our people are up for even greater success. Mahsi.

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Success Of The NWT Recycling Program

Members’ Statements

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Colleagues, before we continue with Members’ statements, please join me in welcoming back into the House today in the visitors gallery, the former Member for the Mackenzie Delta , our former colleague and Member of this House, Mr. David Krutko.

---Applause

Welcome back. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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New Public Housing Rental Scales For Seniors

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Earlier this year the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation announced changes to the public housing rental scales for July 1st . The

changes include charging rent to seniors who do not pay rent now unless they have younger adults living with them. The new rent scale will start at about $75 a month, which many elders will be asked to pay. This may not sound like a lot of money to some people, but the cost of groceries and other necessities are very high in the small communities, especially in the Sahtu and further north. Our elders are on fixed incomes, already stretching every dollar they have. Many of them are already living in poverty. This increase is going to hit them very hard.

It is just not me, but a few elders in the Sahtu are objecting to this change. The NWT Seniors’ Society, which is the territorial organization, has

spoken out against it. Why? Because there has not been proper consultation and discussion.

The Elders Parliament which took place in this very Chamber less than a month ago passed a motion calling on the GNWT to delay making any changes to public housing rent scales for the seniors until such time as a full consultation has taken place with the elders, communities and NWT Seniors’ Society. The motion also calls for the GNWT to make a public full cost-benefit analysis of the proposed changes and to work with the elders, communities and the NWT Seniors’ Society on a comprehensive framework to ensure consistency and fairness across the seniors programming.

I think the Minister and the GNWT should be listening to the advice of the elders on this. Later this week I’ll be tabling a petition and entering a motion opposing the plans to begin charging rent to the seniors in public housing. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The honourable Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I’d like to bring the topic of persons with disabilities to the forefront since we acknowledge Disability Awareness this week.

In the past five years, a group of dedicated volunteers has taken the Hay River Committee for Persons with Disabilities from a delinquent society to a vibrant and much needed part of the community of Hay River. They run numerous programs. They currently provide an Employment Assistance Program where 15 people are enrolled for training, job hunting and on-the-job support. They assist clients from the surrounding local areas and they put forward proposals to run traditional summer camps, pre-employment skills, life skills programs, summer student training programs and recreational activities, arts, literacy, as well as two mentorship programs in their office administration.

Thirdly, they operate a handivan transportation service from Monday to Friday eight hours a day and occasionally weekend pick-ups. This service is supported by donations from business and private citizens with an operational budget of about $75,000. They recently started a service to Enterprise and in 2011 have provided 1,300-plus rides. They have been denied government funding for this handivan even though the government mandate action plan for persons with disabilities clearly states that the government will develop and provide funding provisions for local and accessible transportation.

This group has put in a request to Health and Social Service to increase their multi-year core funding, which was denied and they are told to do some fundraising. Their office is struggling financially, and with the limited availability of human resources to keep up with the demands of clients’ needs, it is putting a real strain on their operations.

They are unable to provide all of the above services in their current 3.7 hour staffing position they are funded for. They are currently having funding that will end at the end of this month and if they do not receive additional funding, they will have to shut down.

Madam Speaker, I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Madam Speaker, the Honourable Tom Beaulieu stated this week that the Department of Health and Social Services supported the work for NWT Disabilities Council, the NWT Autism Society, the Yellowknife Association for Community Living, the YWCA, the Canadian Institute for the Blind and the Canadian Hard of Hearing Association. We recognize these organizations provide valuable support to persons with disabilities, but my questions today will be for Mr. Beaulieu about Hay River persons with disabilities. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Blake .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I’d like to recognize a former Member for Mackenzie Delta , David Krutko. Welcome.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Blake . I’d like to welcome those that are visiting in our gallery today and thank you for partaking in the observation of our proceedings here today. Thank you.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 82-17(3): Vacant Office Space In Yellowknife

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Earlier today in my Member’s statement I talked about Yellowknife office market status this year as we prepare the RFP of our newly constructed GNWT building in downtown Yellowknife. My questions are for the Minister of Public Works and Services . Has the department factored in with the addition of the 60,000 square feet pushing our limit

to 140,000 square feet of office space and pushing our vacancy rate to 10.7, has the department done some calculations what that potentially could do to the market for Yellowknife?

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Question 82-17(3): Vacant Office Space In Yellowknife

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Minister responsible for Public Works and Services , Mr. Glen Abernethy .

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Question 82-17(3): Vacant Office Space In Yellowknife

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In the last Assembly the government did a comprehensive general purpose office space review and that review took into consideration all current and future space. The numbers that we have are a little bit different than the numbers that Mr. Dolynny is suggesting and I would be really interested to see where he got his numbers. For Class A and B property, which is what the government would be renting, we show 70,000 square metres here in Yellowknife and with the addition of the new Gallery Building we see an additional 5,000 square metres.

This, based on our analysis, will only take it to between 5 and 7 percent, which by any account is a healthy market. By the time our building is constructed – and the RFP has gone out, it has been awarded and construction will begin this September – that building will, if normal trends show to be true, be full and we’ll still be back down at the 0.1 or 0.2 or 1.6 or zero percent vacancy here in Yellowknife. We don’t see a significant impact on the Yellowknife market.

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Question 82-17(3): Vacant Office Space In Yellowknife

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I don’t disagree that we’re talking potentially in metres and square feet, the fact remains that these numbers are coming right from the buildings property managers themselves and, as such, I would recommend that we should get those numbers in order and make sure that we are talking apples to apples.

That said, my calculations come up with a 140,000 square foot estimate, which on absorption rate that we’ve been using in Yellowknife here over the past number of years is about 10,000 square feet per year, thus putting us about a 14-year potential shelf life of office space available. Has the department factored in this shelf life and what this could potentially do to the markets given that number?

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Question 82-17(3): Vacant Office Space In Yellowknife

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I’m going to be talking square metres because that’s the information I have in front of me. The absorption rate in Yellowknife has been about 2,000 square metres annually. If you factor in the new buildings that have come in over time, such as the Greenstone and the new office building, everybody has said we’re going to have a big problem in Yellowknife with too much space. Almost immediately, within a year, year and a half, two years, both those buildings have been completely filled.

The analysis that was done shows that this is the trend in Yellowknife and that we can handle more office space in Yellowknife. There are some

problems. With this zero percent vacancy rate to 1.6 percent vacancy rate that has existed here in Yellowknife, the costs have been incredibly high. As a result, in the last five years alone the cost of our leases has gone up 40 percent. That’s because the market is unhealthy. A healthy market is between 5 and 7 percent. That’s what we’re going for.

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Question 82-17(3): Vacant Office Space In Yellowknife

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I’m not denying that the Minister is fairly accurate in his numbers. Five to seven percent is a healthy market for economy for commercial. We are, by virtue of calculations, pushing that number to over 10 to 11 percent, according to our calculations. Square metres, square feet, we have to get the right numbers out there. The studies that the Minister is indicating are studies that were done probably in 2009.

Will the Minister commit to maybe updating these numbers so that the commercial real estate market here in Yellowknife can be updated appropriately?

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Question 82-17(3): Vacant Office Space In Yellowknife

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

We’re absolutely confident in the numbers that we have. The study was done in 2009 but it did actually take into account the addition of the new buildings such as the Gallery Building. All those buildings were taken into consideration.

We’ve looked at the numbers again. We’ve looked at the Class A and B buildings, the ones that we actually utilize, and we’re confident that the rates will stay the same.

There are a lot of good things about this building. One of the things about this building is that over the lifecycle of this building it is going to save the Government of the Northwest Territories, and by default the people of the Northwest Territories, $100 million which can go to programs and services throughout the Northwest Territories. On top of that we’ll be able to have a bit better control over our leases which have grown by 40 percent in this tight market.

We’ve done the numbers, we’ve shared it with all the Members, it’s out there. Happy to share it again, happy to share with anybody that wants to see it. We’re confident in our numbers today.

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Question 82-17(3): Vacant Office Space In Yellowknife

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 82-17(3): Vacant Office Space In Yellowknife

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Whenever this question is brought out, the Minister of the day will talk about the great benefits and I’m not denying them. Brand new building, it is great. We’re going to see some efficiencies in heat and power and everything else. We have to remind ourselves here that we’re putting a disruption, a market slump disruption in the commercial real estate market by virtue of us building our own building.

Will the Minister commit to overlooking, seeing, and updating the numbers so that we are indeed

dealing with proper square feet or square metres as the case may be?

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

There’s not much point. It’s already been done. The numbers are consistent. It takes into consideration the addition of all Class A and Class B buildings since the report was done. They’re built in there. We’re confident. The contract has been awarded. The building is being built as we speak. The ground will break in September. We’re making next steps. At the end of the day this building is going to save the people of the Northwest Territories significant money, money that we can once again roll into the program. Given the history of buildings in Yellowknife it’s not going to have a significant market impact. That analysis has been done.

People, as I’ve said, have talked about buildings coming to Yellowknife, fear of significant market disruption, like the Greenstone Building or the new office building across from Fiddles & Sticks. Shortly after those buildings were put up, and people complained or worried about the market disruption, both those buildings were filled and we were back down at zero percent vacancy. The Member refers to a 10 percent vacancy.

I have to say that 10 percent vacancy would only exist if both the new Gallery Building and our building were to magically appear on the ground at the same time. That’s not going to happen. Our building is three years away and the Gallery Building will be full long before then.

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Question 82-17(3): Vacant Office Space In Yellowknife

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . That exchange took seven minutes. If there’s 10 Regular Members who have questions, that’s 70 minutes. We only have a 60-minute question period. Let’s keep that in mind. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 83-17(3): Transitional Housing And The Residential Tenancies Act

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I’ll try to keep my comments down to a dull roar. I’d like to follow up on my Member’s statement and my questions are directed to the Minister of Justice with regard to the Residential Tenancies Act.

The issue of the lack of jurisdiction of the rental officer over transition housing was raised in the Report of the Rental Officer, 2010-2011, which was tabled last December. I’d like to know, there are a number of issues in there, I can’t remember the number – four, five, or six, I believe – that the rental officer raised as issues that needed to be dealt with by the department and in the Residential Tenancies Act. I’d like to know from the Minister what actions he and the department are taking in regard to the recommendation on transition housing and the other recommendations in the report.

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Question 83-17(3): Transitional Housing And The Residential Tenancies Act

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister responsible for Justice , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 83-17(3): Transitional Housing And The Residential Tenancies Act

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I’ll try to be a little quicker on this one. I’ve already answered this question last week when we talked about other changes that the Members were looking for in the Residential Tenancies Act.

Six recommendations were put forward by the rental officer. We’ve committed to doing an analysis of those recommendations as well as the recommendations to find a hammer, if you will. We will review those. We are going to bring those back to committee in the fall, an opportunity to have a discussion and set some direction on how we want to move forward.

The Member is right; one of the areas that the rental officer wants us to look at is the application of the Residential Tenancies Act on transitional housing. I do have to remind Members and everybody else that there’s always two sides to every opinion and one of the most significant landlords of transitional housing here in the Northwest Territories has discussed this in the past, and at that time they actually recommended not to go forward with this particular provision as it would actually complicate their service providing in their institution. There are both sides to every story. We are going to do the review. We are going to bring it to Members for some decisions.

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Question 83-17(3): Transitional Housing And The Residential Tenancies Act

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thanks to the Minister for his response. I appreciate that we are going to get some data, some investigation, some evaluation of the current situation and that something is going to come back in the fall. I look forward to that.

I guess I would like to know, then, and interestingly I’m not so sure that the Minister and I are talking to the same people involved in transition housing because there’s differing views obviously. I’d like to know from the Minister, if we’re not going to have a report until the fall sometime, Lord knows legislative amendments would be a long time after that, so I want to know if the department is able to do anything, if they are looking to take any action to address the issues in the rental officer’s report in the interim while they do the investigation.

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Question 83-17(3): Transitional Housing And The Residential Tenancies Act

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

As I’ve indicated, there are a significant number of alternate opinions on this one, so before we implement something, we do have to take it through the public process. We do have to take it through my colleagues on that side of the House to make sure that everybody’s informed and that we make an informed decision. Once that’s done, whether it’s legislation or policy or procedure, we will do as the House directs. Thank you.

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Question 83-17(3): Transitional Housing And The Residential Tenancies Act

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I’ll try my question again. I appreciate that we have to do investigation before

we make a strong recommendation. There needs to be some analysis done and there needs to be some consultation done. What I’m asking the Minister is: Prior to that report from the department and the Minister coming forward, can the Minister advise if there is anything that the rental officer can do in the interim to try and address the issues that he has raised? I’m thinking, perhaps, of mediation or dispute resolution, et cetera. Thank you.

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

I’ll direct the staff at the department to talk to the rental officer to see if he has any suggestions. Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Abernethy . Final, short supplementary, Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 83-17(3): Transitional Housing And The Residential Tenancies Act

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I will be short. I’d like to know from the Minister if it is his intention to bring forward amendments to the Residential Tenancies Act within this 17th Assembly, if that’s what’s recommended. Thank you.

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Once the research is done and we take it to committee to have a discussion, if that is the wish of committee, I would be happy to take it forward. Thank you.

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Question 83-17(3): Transitional Housing And The Residential Tenancies Act

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Abernethy . The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 84-17(3): Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities Funding

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My questions this afternoon will be for the Minister of Health and Social Services . Will the Minister commit to reviewing and reassessing the Hay River Persons with Disabilities application for core funding?

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Question 84-17(3): Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities Funding

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 84-17(3): Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities Funding

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We’ve had discussions with the Hay River Committee for Persons with Disabilities on their funding and advised them that the funding would not be increased due to budget pressures that we’re all facing. Thank you.

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Question 84-17(3): Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities Funding

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Will the Minister look at reviewing the handivan program which is so vital to the community of Hay River?

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Question 84-17(3): Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities Funding

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I recognize that the handivan program is very vital to persons with disabilities and seniors. The handivan program is a municipal responsibility, so that’s something that we could have discussion with the municipality, but generally it could be also dealt with directly with the municipality. Thank you.

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Question 84-17(3): Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities Funding

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

My next question to the Minister: Will the Minister’s department work with the Hay River Persons with Disabilities to stay open?

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Question 84-17(3): Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities Funding

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Yes, we are prepared to do that. We’ve had discussion. Due to the lack of funding that we’re able to provide, they have not signed a contribution agreement. We can go back and speak to them again and see if they will sign a contribution agreement to remain open. Thank you.

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Question 84-17(3): Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities Funding

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Beaulieu . Final supplementary, Mr. Bouchard .

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Question 84-17(3): Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities Funding

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My next question: Will the Minister commit to this House that the department will never indicate to an organization that’s already been working hard, already doing fundraising, to indicate to them and say go and do some more fundraising? Is that not insulting? I would ask the Minister to commit to not put that into a letter again.

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Question 84-17(3): Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities Funding

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I can give that direction to the staff not to ask the people to do fundraising to continue operations.

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Question 84-17(3): Hay River Committee For Persons With Disabilities Funding

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister Beaulieu . The Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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Question 85-17(3): Update On Devolution Negotiations

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My questions today are to the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs , in terms of the…(inaudible)…towards a Devolution Final Agreement-in-Principle. My question is to the Minister. Can he provide us an update in terms of the progress of trying to bring other Aboriginal groups on stream? I know there have been efforts to try and engage with discussions with groups. Can he provide us an update? Mahsi.

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Question 85-17(3): Update On Devolution Negotiations

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . The Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs and Intergovernmental Relations , Premier McLeod.

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Question 85-17(3): Update On Devolution Negotiations

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Similarly, we had an agreed upon meeting with the Akaitcho which was, unfortunately, cancelled because of the death of a respected elder. We are continuing. As a matter of fact, yesterday I had the opportunity to have a brief chat with the president of the Gwich’in Tribal Council. Thank you.

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Question 85-17(3): Update On Devolution Negotiations

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

I’d like to thank the Premier for his update. My question is, in the fall we had a very goodwill attitude, good spirited discussion with the Aboriginal groups in Detah. I wanted to know if the Minister would build upon that positive relationship and perhaps consider a follow-up forum to ensure that we are fully engaged with all Aboriginal groups in the Northwest Territories. Mahsi.

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Question 85-17(3): Update On Devolution Negotiations

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I recall the Detah meeting with all seven Aboriginal government leaders and Caucus. I think everybody there felt it was a very productive meeting and there was general agreement that we would have a follow-up meeting. We have attempted to do so but we haven’t been able to get an indication of a critical mass of Aboriginal leaders in attendance.

As you indicated in your Member’s statement, we are now into the annual general meeting summer season, so we are quite prepared to meet, probably in the fall sometime.

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Question 85-17(3): Update On Devolution Negotiations

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Would the Minister tell this House whether there is, perhaps, an effort to try to consider all options as we move towards a final agreement-in-principle? That the Minister would consider trying to exhaust all options, other than the discussions that are currently being undertaken to ensure that everyone is on side before this and the agreement-in-principle are concluded on devolution. Mahsi.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

As we’ve been across the North meeting with Aboriginal governments, we’ve had quite a wide range of responses in our attempt to find common ground ranging from get on with it, get the deal done, and in one case there’s been a court case. We’ve had the Sahtu sign on. We’re still in discussions with others. I think the fundamental issue is with regard to the fact that the Devolution Agreement, the AIP is based on recognition of modern land claims and treaties.

When you talk to the Dehcho and the Akaitcho, there’s a fundamental problem for them because they don’t agree with the written version of the treaties and they believe that only the oral version of the treaties is the correct version. That’s something that is a reality and we would have to deal with. Thank you.

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Question 85-17(3): Update On Devolution Negotiations

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Premier McLeod. The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 86-17(3): Mandate Of The NWT Housing Appeal Committee

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Madam Speaker. I want to follow up on my Member’s statement on the Housing Appeal Committee. Like I said, I’m glad to see that in operation. I just wanted to ask a couple questions on the operations and its mandate. I know that the Minister had announced it

in the House. When exactly was the start date for the committee? Thank you.

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Question 86-17(3): Mandate Of The NWT Housing Appeal Committee

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. McLeod.

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Question 86-17(3): Mandate Of The NWT Housing Appeal Committee

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The target date for getting the committee up and running is June 1st of 2012. Thank you.

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Question 86-17(3): Mandate Of The NWT Housing Appeal Committee

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Madam Speaker, what was the mandate of the Housing Appeal Committee? Would it include taking into consideration those really long, outstanding appeals that half the constituents that come to me about housing issues are about these long-standing issues? Can those be addressed in this appeal system? Thank you.

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Question 86-17(3): Mandate Of The NWT Housing Appeal Committee

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Madam Speaker, the Housing Appeal Committee was designed to hear appeals from public housing tenants after they have gone through their local board and the district office. There are a number of issues that they would be able to discuss. Also home ownership clients would hear some of the appeals as far as eligibility and decline.

As far as going back to grievances in the past, that was not the mandate of the committee. However, if it gets to be a real concern, it is something that we would probably have to explore. As of right now, it is not in their mandate. Thank you.

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Question 86-17(3): Mandate Of The NWT Housing Appeal Committee

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Madam Speaker, I believe that we should go down this path. I think that the old grievances should be addressed. Half of the issues of housing for my riding are about that. The way houses were constructed, people weren’t paid because the houses weren’t constructed properly, hence they have lots of outstanding arrears. It would be nice to use this mechanism to address those concerns at least and come to some terms and deliberate them and examine them. I believe there is real reasoning there by constituents that raise them. Thank you.

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Question 86-17(3): Mandate Of The NWT Housing Appeal Committee

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Madam Speaker, that is going to be an awfully difficult one to look at to say that my house wasn’t constructed properly, therefore, I am not paying, because that could be a reason that everybody uses that is in arrears.

All the houses were built to the residential standards of the day. A lot of improvements have been made on these. That would be a very difficult one to look at and try and justify bringing that to an appeals committee, because I can see if we did that on one occasion, then we would open up a whole can of worms and everybody across the Northwest Territories that are in arrears will come back and say my house wasn’t constructed properly; therefore, I am not paying. It is one that we would have to explore. However, I don’t see too much merit in that right now. Thank you.

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Question 86-17(3): Mandate Of The NWT Housing Appeal Committee

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 86-17(3): Mandate Of The NWT Housing Appeal Committee

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I like Minister Beaulieu ’s response. He said yes. The Minister here says no.

I am asking the Minister if they can examine it, because there is merit in it. I am not looking for new people to start questioning housing standard construction, but in the past, serious issues and arrears are serious concerns for my constituents and in all ridings. I really believe that this must be examined. I think that was one of the real reasons I really championed the appeal system, because someone has to look at this. Someone has to address them. I believe that this appeal board can do it if the Minister is willing to explore that avenue. Thank you.

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Question 86-17(3): Mandate Of The NWT Housing Appeal Committee

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Yes, Madam Speaker. We will examine it. Thank you.

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Question 86-17(3): Mandate Of The NWT Housing Appeal Committee

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 87-17(3): Regulatory Regime After Devolution

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to follow up on the Premier ’s/Minister’s statement yesterday on devolution as well. The Premier updated us on the status and process for devolution or assumption of authority for land and resource management. This government and our public are on record for decades as serious concerns over the federal legislation now in place. But the Premier said we are considering two approaches of taking down the legislation. We have to weigh the pros and cons. Could the Premier lay out some details on the comparative advantages and disadvantages of the two approaches he alluded to yesterday? Thank you.

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Question 87-17(3): Regulatory Regime After Devolution

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Premier McLeod.

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Question 87-17(3): Regulatory Regime After Devolution

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The advantages of one over the other is with delegated authority, we can assume responsibility very quickly; with the mirror legislation, it would take more time. So it’s a question of time and control. Thank you.

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Question 87-17(3): Regulatory Regime After Devolution

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Madam Speaker, I enjoy receiving more detail if the time permitted on that, but quick versus slow, easy versus thorough… In his statement the Premier said that devolution is about having more accessible, accountable and responsive government making important decisions around land and resource management will bring those decisions closer to the people most affected by those decisions. Would the first one, a delegated authority imposing the existing legislation that we have complained about vociferously for the last several decades, be consistent with his stated goal

of bringing decisions and responsiveness to our people? Thank you.

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Question 87-17(3): Regulatory Regime After Devolution

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Madam Speaker, I guess we normally look at what is done previously on devolution, so a lot of times we look at what happened in the Yukon. In the Yukon they had delegated authority. The delegated authority certainly appears to be working in the Yukon when you look at how they are operating there.

With regard to mirror legislation, that will take a little more time. Also, the MVRMA is something that has been legislated through land claims and so on. It would be something that devolution could not change. Thank you.

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Question 87-17(3): Regulatory Regime After Devolution

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Madam Speaker, I think certainly I am all for taking the time necessary to do a good job, and easy is easy. You usually don’t get what you really want. I would encourage the Premier to give a lot of weight to that consideration within the restrictions of the MVRMA, which I am not suggesting we change.

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Question 87-17(3): Regulatory Regime After Devolution

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Madam Speaker, the Government of the Northwest Territories shares Canada’s objective of improving the effectiveness and efficiency of the Northwest Territories regulatory system and one only needs to look at how long it took for the Mackenzie pipeline to obtain regulatory approval. We know how important it is to have a regulatory system that protects the environment while supporting economic development but providing certainty to industry.

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Question 87-17(3): Regulatory Regime After Devolution

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Premier McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 87-17(3): Regulatory Regime After Devolution

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have to know that the environmental review of the MGP did not follow the process that we laid down on the MVRMA. It was cooked up completely separate from the processes that we established.

Had we followed those processes, I think things would have happened a lot more effectively.

Let’s consider some concrete examples of the environmental protection we will consider essential once we take on resource management. Yesterday over 150 citizens turned out to express their revulsion at the regressive agenda of the federal government on the social environmental front. I had mentioned the Fisheries Act. I would like a response from the Minister. Does the gutting of the Fisheries Act fit with his view of this government’s approach to environmental protection?

Does straightjacketing the MGP, the largest infrastructure project in Canada, into a two-year process if it requires more, and I would say it would have fit with the sort of approach that this government is pushing forth? Thank you.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Madam Speaker, I appreciate the Member’s opinion on the federal government actions. Adversely the federal government is saying that they are making the process more effective and efficient. They’ll be providing for protection of the environment, improving the protection of the environment and also providing for Aboriginal participation. So I guess we’ll have to look into the details more and square the differences between the Member’s opinions and the federal government information. Thank you.

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Question 87-17(3): Regulatory Regime After Devolution

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Premier McLeod. The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 88-17(3): Changes To Seniors Public Housing Rent Scales

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My questions are for the Minister of the Housing Corporation . The NWT Bureau of Stats estimates that there are 187 seniors aged 60 and over in the Sahtu region. This group makes up 8.9 percent of the region’s estimated population of 2,105. By comparison, seniors aged 60 and up represent 9.9 percent of the population of the Northwest Territories.

According to the Housing Corporation, there are 74 public housing units occupied by seniors in the Sahtu. Of these, 50 units are occupied by seniors only. I want to ask the Minister, have these 50 units that are occupied by seniors only, or the 75 public housing units occupied by seniors, does the Minister have a record of visiting these seniors to let them know that by July 1st that they’re going to

be charged rent for living in those units.

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Question 88-17(3): Changes To Seniors Public Housing Rent Scales

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation, Mr. McLeod.

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Question 88-17(3): Changes To Seniors Public Housing Rent Scales

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We’re now in the process of

communicating all of this to public housing tenants. I know across the Territories they are starting to let the tenants know what their rent could potentially be. As far as visiting these exact 70 or 50, I’m not sure if they’ve made it there yet, but the plan is to try and notify all public housing tenants across the Northwest Territories what their potential rent change could be. Thank you.

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Question 88-17(3): Changes To Seniors Public Housing Rent Scales

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

I’ve seen some notices up in the communities where they have a big poster saying that they’re going to implement the new rent scale. I want to ask the Minister, prior to making changes or looking at the changes or implementing some of the changes of the people in the Sahtu, the seniors who are living in these public housing units, prior to this, maybe six, seven, eight, nine months ago, has the Housing Corporation talked to these seniors who are in these units, saying that in the future we’re thinking about or we’re going to charge you rent? Does the Minister have a record of this in the five communities I represent of this rent that’s going to be implemented for the seniors?

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Question 88-17(3): Changes To Seniors Public Housing Rent Scales

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

We have no records of having talked to people eight or nine months ago. Obviously, I can tell you right now what the answer is going to be. If somebody came up to you and said you’re going to go from zero to paying rent, the answer is going to be no. If you go to those 675 people whose rent is going to drop by $100 or more, if you say are you in favour of your rent dropping by $100 or more, obviously the answer is going to be yes. So the fact that we did not go and talk to these 70 particular individuals, we all know what the answer is going to be. Thank you.

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Question 88-17(3): Changes To Seniors Public Housing Rent Scales

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

That’s my point. When I go back to the Sahtu, that’s what the elders are saying. They’re saying no one told us. No one said anything and that is certainly showing a lack of respect for the elders and for the seniors. We have asked the Minister to look at incentive programs for young people to go back to work. That was great, but we didn’t ask for him to look and charge the seniors rent. So that’s what the elders are saying.

They talk to us and that’s what the territorial Seniors’ Society is saying, give us full consultation on this, slow down, let’s look at this together, but it’s something that’s unilaterally being written by this department, this government, to say from thereon thou shall pay the rent on July 1st . The elders are

saying that was not the case and they want to have consultation. Let’s give them respect. Will the Minister look at how can we do this, rather than saying the train has left? This is what we want you to be paying now to get on the train here. If you don’t, too bad, you’re left out in the cold.

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Question 88-17(3): Changes To Seniors Public Housing Rent Scales

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you. It’s an unfair comment to say that this corporation has no respect for our seniors, when you look at all the programs we’ve offered over the years to work with our

seniors, help with our seniors. It’s an unfair comment to say the Minister has no respect for seniors because he did not go and consult with all the seniors across the Northwest Territories.

I’ve said before the answer is going to be no if you ask them. We rolled this out publicly a few months ago. So they’ve had opportunities to know that this was coming and it’s a question of fairness and trying to treat all tenants, residents across the NWT fair and I think we’ve done a good job of that.

For an example, if you look at some of the changes we’re making, you look at a single mother of two that’s making $3,600 a month, under the old system she’d be paying $985 or 27 percent of her income. Under the new system she’s going to be paying $325 or about 7 percent of her income. That’s a savings of $660. So those kind of changes have been made, and in our efforts to treat everyone fairly and equally we did come up with charging seniors rent with a $1,000 exemption to their income which would put them in the lower bracket. Thank you.

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Question 88-17(3): Changes To Seniors Public Housing Rent Scales

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 88-17(3): Changes To Seniors Public Housing Rent Scales

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I heard from the seniors that this might be a good thing for them. I’m representing seniors who have come and talked to me and said we needed to be consulted. The cost of living in the Sahtu is high. Everything is high and our dollars don’t stretch as far as down south. We need to be consulted. That is basic respect for our elders and our seniors, they might have an idea that it might have to work out, but they feel that they haven’t been consulted and properly talked to about this issue. That’s the issue.

Other ones, that’s good, but I’m speaking specifically for the seniors about this issue. This is what I wanted to ask the Minister. Will he consider and look at – I probably know the answer already – that the seniors need to look at this issue and see if they would do some more work on it before implementing this by July 1st ?

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Question 88-17(3): Changes To Seniors Public Housing Rent Scales

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you. I think extensive work has been done on this particular initiative. We do recognize the cost of living across the Northwest Territories. That’s why we’ve broken it down into three different zones. So depending on the zone you live in, it reflects in your rent. We do recognize that seniors are more challenged in some cases than regular public housing clients. So we came up with the $1,000 emption as far as their income goes, because had we not done that, then they would be paying basically the same as other public housing tenants with the same income. So we have taken a lot of other factors into consideration and we feel that we’ve done extensive work on this.

Again, if we were to go out and ask somebody if you want to pay more rent, the answer is going to

be no. So we feel that we’ve done our homework. Thank you.

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Question 88-17(3): Changes To Seniors Public Housing Rent Scales

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Minister McLeod. The Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 89-17(3): Aboriginal Employment Strategy

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today I’d like to raise the issue of the Aboriginal Employment Strategy. That framework was worked on and certainly developed in the last government about three years ago. Like the analogy of fireworks, it came out with a big bang, there was a bit of a fizzle and some oohs and ahs and it sort of disappeared. The question really is: What has happened to the Aboriginal Employment Strategy that was once heralded as a new opportunity to tap into a human resource such as the Aboriginal people that has not been promoted often enough? Thank you.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Minister of Human Resources , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 89-17(3): Aboriginal Employment Strategy

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The strategy still exists, the committee that’s been put together to provide recommendations to the Minister and the department on Aboriginal employment in the Northwest Territories did go through a bit of a hiccup. We did lose a couple of members after the election as a result of changes in professions. We got that back up and running about two months ago and they’ve been starting to meet again and they’re back providing us some direction and information. I’m looking forward to their input.

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Question 89-17(3): Aboriginal Employment Strategy

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. That was a good segue into my next question, which is I’m under the understanding that the advisory committee hasn’t met for almost a year. So if it’s finally back on track or the wheels of this machinery are moving along, what have they actually produced in the last, I’ll call it the term or the inception of the Aboriginal strategy and how much money has been invested to develop what we’re about to hear from the Minister?

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Question 89-17(3): Aboriginal Employment Strategy

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I don’t know how much money was spent in the last government, I don’t have that data, but I will certainly get that for the Member. The Member is absolutely right. Since the election of this Assembly, they haven’t had an opportunity to get to meet because they actually fell apart because a number of the members changed their professions. We’ve got that committee back together and they will be meeting soon. They will be pulling together some recommendations and I will be sharing those with my colleagues once I have them.

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Question 89-17(3): Aboriginal Employment Strategy

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

The next question of course is: What have they produced to date? I appreciate the

Minister has just pointed out that they have not met, but this Aboriginal strategy must have produced something since its inception.

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Question 89-17(3): Aboriginal Employment Strategy

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

My focus to date has actually been to try and get them back up and running. With respect to the specific output or the specific recommendations that they’ve provided to the last Assembly, I will certainly gather that information to share with my colleagues.

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Question 89-17(3): Aboriginal Employment Strategy

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . The honourable Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Question 90-17(3): Federal Issues

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I’d like to follow up with my earlier questions but broaden the category to a discussion of the issues that this government has or should have with Ottawa. The first one I’d like to discuss is the Canada-European Union Free Trade Agreement. Noting that Europe is now demanding extension of brand use names of drug patents and along with extension of the time that the brand name companies can keep the recipes for those drugs secret so that generic drugs cannot be produced, this would drive up the cost of drugs.

Premiers across the country have been reacting and, according to Premier Clark in BC, writing Ottawa objecting to this. Ottawa so far is silent on the issue. Has the Premier written Ottawa to object to that demand from Europe in these free trade discussions of which we’re a part?

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs and Intergovernmental Relations , Mr. McLeod.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have not written to the Prime Minister on this.

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Question 90-17(3): Federal Issues

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Here when we are at the table on such a high-profile agreement that can obviously influence us and our costs, as Mr. Ramsay mentioned yesterday in the House, this is a real privilege and opportunity and, I would say, a real responsibility. So will the Premier get busy and write Ottawa, object to this, let the Prime Minister know, and our negotiators, that we would object to this because it will raise the price of drugs for our people?

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

As the Member indicated, we are participating in these negotiations and we do have representation. I will discuss with the Minister responsible and I’m prepared to write to the Prime Minister.

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Question 90-17(3): Federal Issues

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

The second one I have here is the Fisheries Act which was mentioned before. Professional fisheries biologists and administrators across the country are on record regarding the

proposed gutting of the Fisheries Act – not my words. The Premier ’s earlier response indicated he did not appear to be on top of that issue. I wonder if he would commit to doing an analysis, having his government do an analysis, and see if it is indeed in line with the sort of thinking that we are proposing for post-devolution or even today.

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Question 90-17(3): Federal Issues

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

It appears the Member opposite has a tendency for hyperbole. We are very knowledgeable of what’s going on with the Fisheries Act. Our Minister of ENR has written to the federal Minister of Fisheries and Oceans to get more detail on the proposed changes and to see what implications it has for the Northwest Territories.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Final supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. That’s excellent news. I appreciate that the Premier is way ahead of me on this one. I’m glad to hear that he’s on that. I would appreciate it if he would inform the House about what he finds out there and his assessment of the response.

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Question 90-17(3): Federal Issues

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Okay, it seems like we’ve changed topics, but I guess it’s somewhat related. Mr. McLeod.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I’ll be very pleased to share the information that we receive, like we always do, with the other side. We are also paying very close attention to Canada’s Economic Action Plan 2012 related to responsible economic development. I am led to understand that there are some people that have some concerns with what the federal government is proposing.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Question 91-17(3): Fur Industry In Mackenzie Valley

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a couple of questions for the Minister of ITI . I’d like to ask the Minister, I see we’ve had some great prices in the fur industry, are there plans this year

to take hunters and youth on a tour of the Genuine Mackenzie Valley Auction House. I know it was done in the past.

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Question 91-17(3): Fur Industry In Mackenzie Valley

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Minister responsible for Industry, Tourism and Investment , Mr. David Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. That is something that we would give some consideration to if we were to receive such a proposal.

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

I’d also like to ask the Minister if there are plans – it’s along the same lines – I know a lot of trappers have noticed that there are a lot of otters which is somewhat of a new species in the Mackenzie Delta. A lot of people would like to see more trapping workshops that show trappers how to handle the species of the otter.

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Question 91-17(3): Fur Industry In Mackenzie Valley

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

With over $1.3 million of harvested fur, and that money going back into communities around the Northwest Territories, it is important if there are opportunities for other species and the need arises for workshops, for otter, in this case, that’s something that the department would certainly look at providing to communities.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Question 92-17(3): Health Canada Plan For NWT Office

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My questions today will be for the Minister of Health . At the end of March of this calendar year the Premier mentioned the Economic Action Plan 2012 and there was mention within the plan by the national Minister of Health then about Health Canada’s plan to open up offices in Yellowknife and they mentioned Iqaluit during that federal budget to enhance their presence in the North and to deliver services locally. They planned to deliver these in other jurisdictions as well. To date there has been no plan set.

We have not heard anything, at least publicly, for that and very little detail for that has been published by Health Canada. Has the Minister of Health been in contact with his federal counterpart and is there an update to this announcement?

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Minister responsible for Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I’ve had no specific discussion about any Health Canada positions being transferred into Yellowknife with the federal Minister.

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

I’m glad I’m also in the dark. Would the Minister indulge the House as to when he might contact the federal Minister of Health to

maybe get an update of this so-called Economic Action Plan?

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

I’m prepared to do that after the federal budget is approved.

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The Deputy Speaker

Jane Groenewegen

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 93-17(3): Diabetes In The Sahtu Region

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I want to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services , in the Sahtu there seems to be an increase of diabetes, of people who have this sickness. I want to ask the Minister if his department knows of this and do they have some kind of action plan to look at the increase of diabetes in people of the Sahtu.

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