Debates of March 30th, 1993

This is page numbers 1259 - 1298 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

NWT Power Corporation

The Month Of April Is Cancer Month

Cbc News Report - March 30, 1993

Day Care Centre For Lake Harbour

Minister Of Personnel's Comments Re Home Owners' Property Tax Rebate

Cbc News Report - March 30, 1993

Concerns Re Department Of Health

Conference On Family Violence In Fort Simpson

Workers' Compensation For Traditional Harvesters

Keewatin Chamber Of Commerce Annual General Meeting

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Memorandum Of Understanding Re Coverage For Traditional Harvesters

Legislative Review Of Health Related Acts

Status Of Mou Negotiation Between Health Boards And Department Of Health

Powers To Be Devolved To Health Boards

Water Reservoir Pipes Freezing In Resolute Bay

Rural And Remote Programs

Compensation For Trappers For Lost Revenues

Status Of Family Law Review Working Group

Proposed Child Day Care Policy

Scof Recommendations On Key Result Indicators

Evaluation Of NWT Aids Project Review

Environmental Impact Study Results

Application Of Non-smoking Policy In Ministers' Offices

Motion To Clarify Roles Of Dm Of Finance And Comptroller General

Transfer Of Chr Program Funds And Pys To Band Councils

Tabling Of Expo 1992 Internal Audit

Eligibility Of NWT Residents For Alaskan Land Claims

Maca Inspection Report Of The Town Of Iqaluit

Status Of Tobacco Information Officer Position

Lead Department On Family Law Review Issue

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Convening Of The Fourth Session Of The 12th Legislature

To Refer Partnership Act To The Standing Committee On Legislation

Convening Of The Fourth Session Of The 12th Legislature

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 17: Appropriation Act, No. 2, 1993-94

To Adopt Clause 3 Of Bill 17, As Amended

Be Adopted By Substituting Amended

Schedule

Bill 23: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 4, 1992-93

Bill 20: Loan Authorization Act, 1993-94

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Titus Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 1259

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Madam Premier .

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Minister's Statement 72-12(3): NWT Power Corporation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1259

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Later today I will be tabling a report titled "A Proposal to Privatize the Northwest Territories Power Corporation."

The report was prepared by consultant Fred Abbott, a retired partner with Coopers and Lybrand, and does not represent a position of the government at this time. Ultimately, any decision on the privatization of the Power Corporation will be made by this Legislature.

The government purchased the Power Corporation in 1988, in order to make the utility more responsive to the concerns of the NWT customers and to allow it to operate as an independent regulated business.

The report concludes that these objectives have largely been achieved and that the corporation could now be successfully privatized, as a single entity, without sacrificing any of the gains made over the five years of Government of the Northwest Territories' ownership.

Government ownership of the corporation involves some indirect costs:

1. The government guarantees the corporation's debt and, although the corporation makes all the payments on that debt, the existence of the guarantees restricts the government's borrowing ability.

2. The government has $80 million tied up in its investment in the corporation. These are dollars that could, perhaps, be put to other uses. At a time when we are facing severe funding shortages, we have to ask whether this money could be used in ways that are more directly responsive to the needs of NWT residents.

There are, of course, advantages of owning the corporation. The chief benefit is probably the annual dividend paid by the corporation to the government to fund the electricity subsidy programs. However, while it is recognized that subsidies must be continued, it is not clear that they must, or even should, be funded with dividends from the corporation.

The proposal to privatize the Power Corporation provides us with an opportunity to discuss these issues and to consider our fiscal priorities. The coming months will allow time for discussion about whether continued ownership of the corporation is the best way of investing $80 million of government money.

Mr. Speaker, if a decision is made to privatize the corporation, the report proposes that the sale be made in a way that encourages northern ownership and prevents control by one or two shareholders. The report contains a number of recommendations to ensure that northerners retain some control over the utility. For example, it is proposed that Northwest Territories' residents be given the first opportunity to purchase shares and that no one can hold more than ten per cent of the shares.

The report considers the creation of Nunavut and concludes that the unique concerns of the two territories could be addressed by separate Public Utilities Boards. The report notes, however, that division of the corporation into two utilities to serve Nunavut and the west, respectively, would increase costs to a point which would make private sector ownership unattractive.

Critical issues to be examined prior to privatization include the continued employment of existing staff and the integrity of the pension plan. As the report stresses, good business practice requires that employees continue to receive an equitable level of benefits.

It is expected that Cabinet will examine the report shortly, and will make formal recommendations to this House regarding the privatization proposal when the Assembly reconvenes next fall.

Mr. Speaker, this is an exciting opportunity for northerners. The government looks forward to hearing your views on the proposal over the coming months. Thank you very much.

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Minister's Statement 72-12(3): NWT Power Corporation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1259

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Ms. Mike .

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Minister's Statement 73-12(3): The Month Of April Is Cancer Month

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1260

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, the purpose of cancer month is to direct attention and provide information on the work of the Canadian Cancer Society in research, education, community programs, and to raise funds to support these endeavours.

The aim of cancer month is to reduce the occurrence of cancer by encouraging people to change their life-styles.

Cancer is a life threatening and disabling disease presently under intensive research to determine its cause, and to provide more information regarding its prevention, diagnosis and treatment.

The Department of Health will be collaborating with regional health and hospital boards regarding awareness of cancer month. Also, the department's health promotion

section will liaise with boards to facilitate planning of awareness activities supporting the theme. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 73-12(3): The Month Of April Is Cancer Month

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 1260

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudluk .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to express my concern with the recent tactics of the Yellowknife media in publicizing personal financial matters involving honourable Members of this House. I refer to reports which aired on CBC Mackenzie this morning that some current and previous Members owe money to a local Yellowknife business. As the dean of the House, I have seen some examples of negative media reporting during my 18 years as a Member of the Legislative Assembly, but I do not believe that I have ever seen such an outright personal attack as the one which CBC broadcast this morning.

No one minds when reporters dig around to find out about news which affects the people of the Northwest Territories, however, this matter was not that kind of news item.

If customers have outstanding bills then those should be left as a personal matter between the individual and the businesses involved. I do not believe that Canadian taxpayers want to hear CBC spreading gossip about personal financial matters which do not affect the public at large. The CRTC has not given CBC reporters a mandate to act as bill collectors for their friends and acquaintances.

To my honourable colleagues in this House, I want to stress that, as politicians, we must be more careful than ever before in our personal lives, as well as our public lives. I remember a time when we could count on the media to report the news, and now it seems we must be especially cautious because the media is more interested in reporting personal problems and presenting present MLAs as disreputable people.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1260

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pudluk , your allotted time as elapsed.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

I am asking unanimous consent to continue my statement.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Pudluk .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, honourable Members. Unfortunately, Yellowknife businesses are the ones that are going to suffer from this situation. Like most honourable Members, my family and I have always shopped at many local businesses when we come here for the sessions of the Legislative Assembly. If Yellowknife merchants, especially those within the so-called hospitality industry, are going to surprise out of town Members by turning outstanding accounts over to the media, then we must question the ethics of the people with whom we are doing business.

The unfortunate result is that our view of Yellowknife and its business community has been changed by this incident. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Pudluk . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Koe .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1260

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I, too, wish to rise today to speak about this issue which was raised in a CBC news report this morning. Mr. Speaker, I received a letter from Mr. Jack Walker, who is president of the Yellowknife Inn, and I would like to read this letter into the record. I received permission from Mr. Walker to do this.

The letter is addressed to myself as chairman of Caucus and it is regarding the CBC report dated March 30, 1993.

"In my opinion, the information is not newsworthy and does not fall within the realm of professional investigative reporting. I believe the conduct of the reporter in question should be investigated by CBC and CRTC with a view to disciplinary action.

"The Yellowknife Inn and the Legislative Assembly have had a nine year relationship during which confidentiality has been viewed as paramount. The hotel has taken precautions to ensure that there will be no re-occurrence of this unfortunate lapse on the part of its staff in the future.

"Without in any way excusing the culpability of my staff in this instance, I consider that it is a very sad commentary on the state of CBC's northern journalism when a reporter of Ms. Morphet's capability becomes more concerned with MLAs' personal credit ratings than with the many urgent and weighty issues of government. This tabloid approach to journalism has very little place in Canada and certainly none in the north where constituents know their elected representatives personally."

This is signed, yours sincerely, Jack Walker. Mahsi.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you. As Speaker of this Legislative Assembly I would like to make a comment about this, which I also consider to be a very serious incident. I think by listening to the statements of the two Members, we can see a clear case where the MLAs were satisfied with the process, the owner of the hotel was satisfied and there were no complaints by the two partners in this arrangement. Suzanne Morphet fabricated a problem, because there was no problem with the MLAs and no problem with the business.

It seems to me, after two weeks of very effective work by this Legislative Assembly, where the Assembly has been most effective in carrying out its duties, there was not, in Suzanne Morphet's opinion, a story. It is a clear case where a story was fabricated. I, for one, will bring to the attention of the management of CBC both Members' statements, because both Members' statements were very well spoken. Thank you.

---Applause

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Pudlat .

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Day Care Centre For Lake Harbour

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Two weeks ago I had tabled a petition regarding a request for day care. Often the children are left behind alone in their homes. This is a concern to the people of the north. In the small community of Lake Harbour there has been a petition signed requesting a day care centre because the parents are working. Through this petition we are requesting a day care so the children will have a safe place to go while the parents are working.

It could be taken advantage by the other parents, even though they are not working, because often the children are left alone in their house when they are too young to look after other siblings. For this reason, I have tabled a petition and wanted to comment on this petition from Lake Harbour. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1261

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister Of Personnel's Comments Re Home Owners' Property Tax Rebate

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to express my concern over recent comments made by the Minister of Personnel regarding recommendations of this Assembly on the home owners' property tax rebate. Mr. Speaker, I was very disturbed to hear the Minister's comments of March 23, 1993, in response to questions from my honourable colleague from Inuvik. Mr. Koe was questioning the Minister as to Cabinet's response to the motion of the Assembly that the home owners' property tax rebate be reinstated at $400 per year. This motion was carried in the House on March 11, 1993.

Yet, on March 23, 1993, 12 days later, the Minister replied and I quote from unedited Hansard, "Mr. Speaker, the particular issue of the tax rebate was one that arose in the course of discussions by MLAs in the latter part of the debate in the back room. As the Minister of Personnel , I could not find a way in the few days I had, to rationalize how it tied in to the staff housing strategy."

Mr. Speaker, I am somewhat confused as to how a motion passed in this Assembly can be characterized as an issue that does not deserve a response because it arose at the end of a debate in the back room, that is unless the Minister believes that this Assembly chamber has now become a back room. Mr. Speaker, I am also at a loss to understand why the Minister had such difficulty relating the tax rebate to the housing strategy. Although the Minister indicated on March 23 that the issue had come up only a few days before debate on the motion, ordinary MLAs had explained the relationship previously in the House.

He did not have to work it out for himself at all. For example, on February 26, 1993, the issue was raised in the House by my honourable colleagues for Inuvik and Thebacha and also by myself. It was pointed out that the reduction of the property tax rebate was inconsistent with the goal of the Minister of Personnel to encourage home ownership and to develop a private housing market through the staff housing strategy.

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs agreed that the program might be considered part of the housing strategy and agreed to re-examine the rebate.

I agreed then with my colleague for Thebacha that this is another example of how the housing strategy is not part of a cohesive government plan, and I still have the opinion today.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Minister Of Personnel's Comments Re Home Owners' Property Tax Rebate

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Dent .

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Minister Of Personnel's Comments Re Home Owners' Property Tax Rebate

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you honourable colleagues. Mr. Speaker, in case the Minister was not listening on that day, a motion for the reinstatement of the property tax rebate had also carried in this House on September 24, 1992. Again, the tax rebate was related to the encouragement of private home ownership.

Mr. Speaker, I am disturbed that the Minister has tried to characterize this issue as one which has taken him by surprise. It is not new in this Assembly, and it is not the first time it has been related to the housing strategy. Although the Minister may not have been able to respond to the suggestion on the day the motion was debated, a response by the government is still required. The direction of this Assembly should not be so easily dismissed. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Whitford .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The CBC news item of this morning is indeed a very sad commentary on the depth to which some journalists will go to provide the public with news. It is a shame that our public broadcaster, the CBC northern network, has to degrade itself to a tabloid style of news gathering such as the broadcast at 7:30 am this morning. This type of news gathering and this type of news can only

harm the relationship our city has developed with the out of town MLAs and members of their constituencies.

Many of my constituents are upset and appalled over this kind of activity. Perhaps, Mr. Speaker, this was but the elbow in the bath water of experimentation in journalism and if it is, I hope the water proves to be too hot for it to continue.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1262

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Zoe .

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Concerns Re Department Of Health

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1262

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to express my very real concern and frustration with the manner in which the Minister of Health and her officials responded to questions about the Health budget yesterday.

Mr. Speaker, it should be very clear that the Department of Health is indeed in trouble. That is what the Auditor General's report showed, that is what the reports of standing and special committees of this House have showed, and that is what honourable Members have been hearing from committee witnesses and constituents all across the Northwest Territories. Yet, Mr. Speaker, the responses received by the House to this critical budget have continued to be either evasive, incomplete or both.

I am very concerned, Mr. Speaker, about the fact that the development of MOUs between health boards and the Department of Health appears to have been delayed. I am concerned about the way a functional review which was included in the definitive objectives for 1990-91 have not been completed, and about the fact that the current Health budget contains neither objectives nor funding for this important initiative. I am concerned that the relatively simple question, "Do you have a list of internal research projects?" should prove almost impossible for the Minister and her officials to answer.

She wants us to wait 120 days for it. I am concerned, Mr. Speaker, that during the review of the 1992-93 budget the Standing Committee on Finance told the department to include a series of statistics to show whether our efforts are making a difference. If you ask them today, you will see that the department did not provide those statistics. I do not even know if the Department of Health bothered to try.

Mr. Speaker, the Standing Committee on Public Account's report indicate that some positive changes may be taking place within the Department of Health. However, the manner in which the department has presented its budget shows there is still a long way to go. I find the review of the Health budget to be a very frustrating experience. However, Mr. Speaker, I hope and I trust that the Minister will take all the steps necessary to improve the necessary capabilities of her department. Thank you.

---Applause

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Concerns Re Department Of Health

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Conference On Family Violence In Fort Simpson

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1262

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I would like to say that in Fort Simpson last week, March 23 to 25, there was a conference on family violence and sexual abuse. This conference was very well attended by approximately 100 delegates from a number of communities throughout the north, and people from as far as Spence Bay and the Delta participated. I would like to thank them for coming to Fort Simpson and participating in this conference.

The comments I heard about the conference was that it was worth it, and that especially the healing part of the conference, the healing circle it is called, was worth it and the people who participated feel that it was a very good experience for them. The information and plan of action from this conference will be gathered, recommendations will come from that and a plan of action will be developed. Because we will be concluded this Friday and we will not be getting back together until next fall, I wanted to thank the Minister who is responsible for Social Services, the Honourable Rebecca Mike , for coming to Fort Simpson last Thursday and participating in the feast and drum dance.

---Applause

On behalf of my constituents, it was important that you, as the Minister of Social Services , came to this conference and made a statement to the people on the position of the government with regard to the whole area of sexual abuse and family violence. The people who participated felt it was worth it for you to come to Fort Simpson, and I appreciate that.

(Translation) What I am trying to say is, last weekend there was a meeting in Fort Simpson. Many people from different regions and areas were involved. Rebecca Mike , Minister of Social Services , attended the drum dance and the feast, and she talked to the delegates there. I would like to thank her for attending this conference. (Translation ends)

...developing recommendations. Through the spring and summer you will hear about the recommendations and follow up on this course of action. Mahsi.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Gargan .

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Workers' Compensation For Traditional Harvesters

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have stood in this House on many previous occasions and commented on problems with the workers' compensation coverage for traditional harvesters. Honourable Members already know what the problem is. Workers' Compensation Board policy does not consider an aboriginal person to be principally engaged in traditional harvesting unless they meet arbitrary and unfair criteria, based on a southern wage economy.

Mr. Speaker, we have been over this issue many times before. Each time we receive promises that this problem will be solved; none of these promises have been kept to date.

The Workers' Compensation Board says it is a problem to be solved by the Department of Renewable Resources because the money is supposed to come from their budget. Now the WCB and the Department of Renewable Resources are both saying it is up to the Minister of Justice to draft terms of a memorandum of agreement. Everyone is passing the buck.

In the meantime, aboriginal people who net fish for their families this summer will not have the protection of the Workers' Compensation Board, and hunters who bring caribou meat to the elders of their community will not be covered either. Mr. Speaker, there should be no mistake about where the responsibility for solving this problems lies. It lies with the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. The Workers' Compensation Act is clear about that. For a long time we have considered the current Minister to be a man who gets things done.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

He is known as a problem-solver. It is time for him to take some decisions in that direction. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to rise today and extend my congratulations to the Keewatin chamber of commerce for their annual general meeting held this weekend. There was approximately 150 delegates attending from across the north. It was an historic occasion in that there was a clear recognition that there is going to be an orderly transfer to a Nunavut government. I was pleased to see, as always, that the Keewatin chamber of commerce is taking an initiative to move forward in the development and the organization of a Nunavut chamber of commerce which is long overdue. Thank you.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to a question asked by Mr. Antoine on March 23, 1993, regarding the nature of the health billings dispute.

Mr. Speaker, the dispute is described in the Government of the Northwest Territories statement of claim document which was tabled in the Legislative Assembly on November 20, 1992, Tabled Document 11-12(3).

The nature of the dispute was also described in a March 26, 1992, letter sent from the Premier to Northwest Territories chiefs, a copy of which was provided to Members of the Legislative Assembly.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on March 16, 1993, regarding the intention to change the Hay River facility.

On January 19, 1993, the Hay River secure facility received a third designation, that of an open custody facility. There are three types of custody under the Young Offenders Act (Canada): open custody; secure custody; and temporary detention.

Under

section 24(1) of the act, "open custody" means custody in a community residential centre, group home, child care institution, forest or wilderness camp or any other like place or facility designated as a place of open custody by the Minister of Justice .

"Secure custody" means custody in a place or facility designated by the Minister of Justice for the secure containment or restraint of young persons.

Under subsection 7(1) of the Young Offenders Act (Canada), a young person who is arrested and detained prior to making a disposition or detained pursuant to a warrant being issued under subsection 32(6), shall be detained in a place of "temporary detention" designated by the Minister of Justice . In the Northwest Territories, all secure custody facilities have been designated as "places of temporary detention."

The Manitoba court of appeal has ruled that a particular part of an institution or facility can be designated as "open custody," even if entering and leaving the facility itself is controlled by double locking doors, which are electronically controlled: Re F and The Queen et al. (1984), 16 C.C.C. (3D) 258, (1985) 2 W.W.R. 379 sub nom. C.F. v R. and Minister of Community Services and Corrections, A.-G.Man., Bock and Bakken (Man.C.A.).

The Nova Scotia court of appeal has ruled that what is necessary to properly designate an area as a place of open and secure custody is differentiation in programming, and facilities and programs for guidance and assistance of young offenders: Re D.B. and The Queen (1986), 27 C.C.C. (3d) 468 (N.S.C.A.).

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Safety and Public Services . The Minister knows the issue of hunters' and trappers' coverage has been raised a number of times in the past. I am sure he will remember stating on February 17, that the Department of Renewable Resources and the Workers' Compensation Board were negotiating a memorandum of understanding to deal with questions surrounding coverage of traditional harvesters. I am

sure he knows his chief commissioner, who completed a review of the Workers' Compensation Board, provided a number of specific suggestions for resolving the problems. Can the Minister explain why this policy issue has not been resolved?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I want to assure the honourable Member, with respect to this issue, it is an important issue. I know it is particularly important to the Member and it is equally important to everyone across the Northwest Territories. I have issued, in conjunction with Renewable Resources, specific instructions to prepare the MOU as quickly as possible. The Department of Justice has the responsibility to develop the legal language which is necessary. I will determine, later on today, why there is a delay. I am optimistic that we can move very quickly on this issue.

I am confident that the MOU will meet the needs and requirements of the hunters and trappers as it relates to workers' compensation and the level of compensation will be in the range that was discussed with the honourable Member. However, perhaps I will be in a better position later today or tomorrow to inform him specifically when the MOU should be complete. There is no reason for any lengthy delay at this time.

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Question 634-12(3): Legislative Review Of Health Related Acts

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Health . Yesterday, while discussing the department's budget in committee of the whole, I asked the Minister about the process which is being used to conduct the legislative review of health related acts. The Minister referred the question to Dr. Kinloch, who stated, and I quote from unedited Hansard, "The contract has been let to assist in developing some of the issues which have to be dealt with in revamping a public health act which is seriously obsolete." What process was used in letting this contract?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will have to check to see what process was used, whether it was put out for tender or request for proposals. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

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Can the Minister advise this House as to who was awarded the contract to do this work?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As far as I know, the contract has not been awarded yet. Thank you.

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I have some problem with that response. Her senior official stated and I quote from unedited Hansard, "A contract has been let..." What is the official position? Has the contract been let or not?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice.

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Question 635-12(3): Status Of Mou Negotiation Between Health Boards And Department Of Health

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health . Yesterday, during committee of the whole, my colleague for Inuvik asked the question about the development of an MOU between the department and health and hospital boards. This is a very necessary agreement which clearly spells out the roles and responsibilities of the department and the boards. I was very concerned with the response which was provided by the deputy minister of Health. I will quote from the unedited Hansard of yesterday, Mr.

Speaker, "We have today reviewed the ten proposals which were submitted in response to an RFP to begin that process, and we expect it to be complete by the end of September." Mr. Speaker, given the turmoil which presently exists between the boards and the department, I would have thought it was important to complete this initiative much sooner than that. Mr. Speaker, will the Minister clarify the current status of the initiative to negotiate an MOU between health boards and the Department of Health?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. From what I know, there is only one health board which is under an MOU and the rest are agreements signed by the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories. That is why the deputy minister was telling you they just finished reviewing the MOU proposals yesterday afternoon. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, the Minister should know that this House has passed motions recommending that boards be allowed to exercise greater autonomy in operating, managing and controlling health facilities and programs. Will the Minister indicate whether any changes, in the current responsibilities for health boards, are now going to be put on hold until the end of September?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I should know many other things since I got on Cabinet in December as the Member for Lac La Martre is suggesting. Perhaps if I had a magic wand things would be all right. The functions of the health boards between now and September will not be affected. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Can I ask Ministers if they would please just respond to the question? Item 5, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mr. Speaker, on one hand the department is saying they are going to wait until September, and on the other hand the Minister is indicating things are not going to change. I am totally confused. Nevertheless, I will ask a supplementary to that particular question, Mr. Speaker. The Minister should know this House has also passed motions indicating the Minister and her department place a high priority on completing the MOU initiative.

She should also know that when he addressed the Health Care Association on September 21, 1992, her predecessor indicated that the MOU would be completed before the end of the current fiscal year. Why has the completion of this important agreement been delayed at least another six months?

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is likely due to the change of the Minister. From the time he made the commitment to the time I received the portfolio, things were slowed down a little bit. To answer the Member's question, when I said the boards' functions will not be affected, I did not say things will not change. Thank you.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

My final supplementary, Mr. Speaker. The report of the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions clearly indicates it will be the responsibility of the Minister to make sure the MOU is completed. Can the Minister confirm her deputy minister's projected completion date and assure the House that the MOU will definitely be in place by the end of September, 1993?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe that is what my deputy minister said and I will make sure MOUs will be in place by the end of September. Thank you.

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Question 636-12(3): Powers To Be Devolved To Health Boards

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Health , further to the question asked by the honourable colleague for North Slave. The health boards do not seem to have too much autonomy and it seems the staff and administration in the Department of Health have more jurisdictional powers. It seems the health boards have very limited powers in their regions, even though they seem to have been given a certain role designated to them as the bodies of power concerning health issues. Mr.

Speaker, concerning this report upon completion, will the territorial health boards be given more powers and will their powers be more clearly defined, because in the present system all these powers seem to be held by the Department of Health. Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In response to the Member for Baffin South , the health boards have certain powers but they still have to work within the Health Act. Since I became Minister, I have encouraged them to function within those powers. I try not to interfere with their roles. Thank you.

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Question 637-12(3): Water Reservoir Pipes Freezing In Resolute Bay

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Public Works and Highways. In Resolute Bay there is water provided from the lake through the pipe systems. There has been ongoing concern regarding freezing of the pipes. Presently, today in

fact, there is some freeze up happening around the piping areas. I wonder if the Minister is aware of the problem which causes the freezing repeatedly in that area. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As part of the upgrading, we purchased and installed two new pumps which have increased the water supply. That improves the safety margin and the water supply. That was completed in December, 1992. Upon completion of installation of these new pumps, that main line was scoured, there was a great deal of high pressure water pushed through it. Shortly after completion of that process -- they do that to wash out any ice build up in the line -- Public Works located a small pin hole leak about 750 feet from the Char Lake pumphouse. It is believed that was caused by scouring that line.

It is a pin hole leak that is causing this ice boil. It is ten feet high by ten feet wide. The pin hole is a flow metre on each side of the line, so the line going through and coming out is kept track of and the loss of water is at such a minimum, it does not register on the flow metre. So, it is not considered to be a high priority to fix it right away, but it will be fixed in the summer. There is not much loss of water, it just looks like lots with the big hill. Thank you.

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Ludy Pudluk

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to my question. Communities pay for their use of water. It is hoped that people will not have to pay unnecessarily because of the leaking water. Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The water from Char Lake to the reservoir is untreated water, so no one has to pay for it. It does not register on the metres at all, so you cannot even estimate how many gallons it is, it is so minimum. Thank you.

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Question 638-12(3): Rural And Remote Programs

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of the Housing Corporation . Mr. Speaker, I have a concern from one of my constituents with respect to the rural and remote program. Can the Minister of Housing indicate whether there have been any rural and remote programs in the NWT which have been considered written off, or transferred to other programs within the Housing Corporation? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would have to look into that. I will take that as notice and get back to the Member.

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Question 639-12(3): Compensation For Trappers For Lost Revenues

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Renewable Resources . At the annual general meeting of the Gwich'in renewable resources councils, a motion was passed requesting trappers be considered for some kind of compensation for lost revenues. Many times this session, various Members of this Assembly have raised the issue of the poor trapping season. In my area, in particular, they did not have enough traps to hand out to all the trappers, even though it was a policy of this government. Will the Minister review this issue and consider developing a program for compensating trappers for lost revenues?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My department is working on options for this particular problem in the western Arctic. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Will the Minister and his department try to have something in place for this year, as many trappers have lost the entire winter's trapping and potential revenues? In particular, in Arctic Red River, Fort McPherson and Inuvik trappers did not even go out in some cases, so they did not earn anything from trapping. Will the Minister seriously consider look at compensating trappers this year?

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We will be dealing with the trappers who have suffered hardship because of the poor trapping season and also because of the warm weather this winter. We will be dealing with trappers case by case. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. In the motion I referred to earlier, I quote "Whereas the trappers of Fort McPherson and Arctic Red River who harvested in the Yukon were not properly

made aware that leg hold traps are still used in the Yukon; and where these trappers have lost one season of trapping in the Yukon." Will the Minister please check into this situation and advise those trappers in Arctic Red River and Fort McPherson as to why they were not properly informed of these regulations?

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Titus Allooloo

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will look into the problem. Thank you.

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Question 640-12(3): Status Of Family Law Review Working Group

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Justice , Mr. Speaker. In 1988, workers began the review of family law. Major aboriginal organizations, members of the legal profession, the advisory council on the Status of Women and the Departments of Social Services and Justice had people who worked on this working committee. According to the annual report of the Government of the Northwest Territories, this review was completed in 1991. Since, according to the annual report, it was completed in 1991, did the working committee disband or has it continued to work since then?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the working group's responsibility originally was intended simply to oversee the work of a contractor who was signed on to do the actual research compilation and writing of the report. The contractor quit and left the project, which left the working group to take over the work of the contractor. This is in large part what took the report so long to be finalized. The working group itself has been disbanded. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Family Law Review report was tabled in the House by the Minister as Tabled Document 122-12(2), on October 2. Since that became a public document on that day, has there been any public reaction or written submissions received by the government?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there has been some response to the report, I think the Status of Women may have been one group which responded and were generally in support of the recommendations. As I indicated to the House in a Minister's statement earlier, the report contains 256 recommendations but very little substantiation for the recommendations themselves in large part because I think the contractor originally started to put together the research and materials necessary to help the working group make some recommendations based on specific research.

What has happened is there are general recommendations made in this report but the research itself is a huge appendix on which the recommendations are based but is not anywhere near finished. The Department of Social Services and the Department of Justice have, over the last few months, tried to substantiate the basis for the recommendations which were made in the report. That is one of the reasons there is no definitive response to the extensive recommendations at this time.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thanks, Mr. Speaker. Judging from what the Minister has said, what we have is a review which has 256 recommendations based on background material which is supposed to be the appendix but in many cases is not there, and that the department now has to try to figure out how these recommendations were made. It seems as if this group was never able to come to grips with the material and really never was able to agree amongst themselves as to what should be in the report. My question to the Minister is, what is the process now that this has been tabled a second time.

It is an inadequate review full of holes, inconsistencies and recommendations which are not based on any obvious research material. What is the intention of the Minister in putting together another document? What will that document tell us that was not available in the original review?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, it is our intention to try to honour the recommendations, which were made in good faith, as they have some merit. It is up to us to shift through the research and appendix material to organize it in a way that, when we release our consultation paper, the public and groups which will be reviewing this will have some organized material which will substantiate and give backup to the recommendations which are contained in the report. It is an awkward piece of work and not one we have had time to do justice to, but it is our intention in any case to see what we can do with the recommendations.

On the surface they seem like good recommendations, we just need to be able to give some background material and rationale for them. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

This process was begun in 1988, Mr. Speaker, so I would like to ask the Minister, what can the Assembly expect to be completed by the end of the 1993-94 fiscal year, assuming the consultation report is finished within that time frame and that the legislation people are able to do the work they have to do? What can we expect to see by the end of 1993-94?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I would hope within a month or two to be able to give the Members and the public some idea of a definitive

schedule when a consultation paper based on this report could be made available to the public, when, for instance, certain questions and recommendations contained in the report which require legal or constitutional clarity can be provided. At this time we have no way to respond in a substantial form about how soon we can give, to the public, a document which would have in law some basis through attached research and rationale.

The basis for the recommendations and whether some of the recommendations are constitutional, what the constitutional basis for them would be, what type of legislation required to be repealed, what time frame we are looking at and length of work would be required to undertake to draft some of the pieces of legislation which are contemplated in this report. It would be a few months, I would say. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I would like to recognize in the gallery, Rose Okpik, the chair of the Inuit artists' association from Pangnirtung.

---Applause

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Question 641-12(3): Proposed Child Day Care Policy

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment Programs. Mr. Speaker, on March 2 the Minister said he would put a high priority on development of a permanent child day care policy. However, we received no definite commitment to a timetable. Would the Minister agree to table a proposed new child day care policy during the November session?

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Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, yes.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to hear that the Minister will agree to do that. Also, on March 2, the Minister said he needed an opportunity to review the interim child day care policy to identify problem areas before setting on a consultation process to come up with the new one. I was wondering if the Minister has now had a chance to review the interim policies and determine an appropriate consultation process.

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Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On the matter of personally reviewing the policies, no I have not personally reviewed them. What I have done is asked the department to review the matters with regard to existing policies, firstly, to improve access. Secondly, to ensure we accommodated parents who were involved in school programming whether it was upgrading, literacy programs or training programs. Thirdly, we wanted to review the matter of ensuring young parents who still had the opportunity to complete high school would have access to day care funding.

As well, whether our capital dollars which were put in place under capital policies were being accessed by the communities. Also, whether the O and M funding which we had was enough to accommodate the requests which would eventually come from our communities. Those are the issues at this particular juncture which I have asked the department to review.

Mr. Speaker, I want to ensure the public gets involved in the process. I have already a written letter to the council for the Status of Women. I have indicated I would like to speak to them about the particular policy and I have requested we meet. I want other members, those who are involved in providing day care services, either privately or publicly, to participate in the review process.

Once we have an analysis of all of the programs and services which this government offers I will submit for public review to the Members of this House and to those organizations and those individuals who provide day care so they can advise me on how I might better improve the policies on day care for the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, it would be only fair if I allowed the public to be involved in this particular process and the Members of this Assembly.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Health . The Minister is aware that when the Standing Committee on Finance completed its review of the 1992-93 budget, it indicated the Department of Health provide the following data when it brought forward its 1993-94 budget: mortality and sickness statistics and trends; public satisfaction of health programs and services; backlog statistics; local employment in health care; health costs containment; and,

health facility utilization. Can the Minister indicate how many of these statistics are available today? Mahsi.

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Michael Ballantyne

Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice and get back to the Member.

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Question 643-12(3): Evaluation Of NWT Aids Project Review

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Health . It is about the project called AIDS prevention in the north, demonstration and evaluation of culturally adapted community oriented prevention. This was a project which was funded largely by the Department of National Health and Welfare to the tune of $750,000, and the government also made a contribution. I realize the Minister was not the Minister during this period of time. Would the Minister give some indication whether the evaluation which took place of this project was completed? Was there an evaluation of the total project?

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Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can I get clarification with regard to what evaluation the Member is talking about, is it of the National Health and Welfare program? Which program is the Member talking about? Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

It is the Member's prerogative, if the Member would like to clarify the question, it is up to the Member. Mr. Lewis

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

All right. The Government of the Northwest Territories and the Canadian Department of Health and Welfare began a three year project in 1988 and there was an expenditure of public funds. Was there an independent evaluation done of that project? That was one of the objectives, to examine it and to evaluate it.

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Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the department did the review of those projects. Thank you.

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

I will try again, Mr. Speaker. We were all given a copy of Tabled Document 91-12(3), Northwest Territories AIDS Project - Review. My question is, the consultant who did the review must have given you the information which eventually found its way into this document. Do you have the

review done by the independent consultant so we can have a look at it?

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Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice.

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Question 644-12(3): Environmental Impact Study Results

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister responsible for the environment. Previously, I have asked the Minister environmental questions. Has the Minister looked into the environmental impact assessment review? The people of Sanikiluaq, who I represent, are eager to get the answers with regard to the impact on the sea mammals in that area. Does the Minister have the answers for the review? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Allooloo .

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With regard to the dam of that river and the assessment, I will respond to the Member for South Baffin in writing. I will inform him of exactly who is reviewing the assessment, whether it will be the Quebec government, and the status of the review to date. I will respond in letter to the Member. Thank you.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand the Minister will be responding to my question in writing. I thank him for that. Further, would he be able to carbon copy the Keewatin Members. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes I will carbon copy the Keewatin Members as well. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Whitford .

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Question 645-12(3): Application Of Non-smoking Policy In Ministers' Offices

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Premier . Mr. Speaker, other Members have seen over the last and past winters the numbers of civil servants who have to go outside of the buildings to smoke. Those who do smoke stand shivering in the cold, particularly in front of the

Laing building. Many of those civil servants, Mr. Speaker, are my constituents. Does the non-smoking policy in the Laing building involve the Ministers on the sixth floor? Are Ministers allowed to smoke in their offices in the Laing building?

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Michael Ballantyne

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, the policy of non-smoking in government buildings covers a Minister's office or any other floor, the sixth floor, fifth floor or third floor. Everyone is treated equally in terms of the policy. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Perhaps I did not phrase my question correctly. I asked if the smoking policy in the Laing building is equal to Ministers as it is to civil servants. In other words are Ministers allowed to smoke in their offices in the Laing building?

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