Debates of Feb. 23rd, 2005

This is page numbers 1477 - 1520 of the Hansard for the 15th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Education Week - Success Built On Partnerships

New Deal For NWT Community Governments

NWT Libraries Integrated Search

100th Anniversary Of Rotary International

Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Heating Costs In The North

Youth Entry Level Skills Program

Echo-dene School Attendance Program

Caribou Management Plans

GNWT Support For Cultural Festivals And Events

Concerns With Social Housing And Income Support Policies

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Foreign Investment In The Nwt

Support For NWT Cultural Festivals And Events

Value-added Hydrocarbon Projects

Public Information Sessions On Land Use

Beaufort-delta Education Council Funding Formula

Obstructed Tail Lights And Licence Plates

Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Support For NWT Cultural Festivals And Events

New Deal Options For Community Governments

Rising Cost Of Home Heating Fuel

Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Brendan Bell , Mr. Braden , Honourable Paul Delorey , Honourable Charles Dent , Mrs. Groenewegen , Honourable Joe Handley , Mr. Hawkins , Honourable David Krutko , Ms. Lee , Honourable Michael McLeod , Mr. McLeod, Mr. Menicoche , Honourable Michael Miltenberger , Mr. Pokiak , Mr. Ramsay , Honourable Floyd Roland , Mr. Villeneuve , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 92-15(3): Education Week - Success Built On Partnerships

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Today I would like to recognize the value of education and its importance in helping northerners reach goals of self-reliance and personal fulfillment. This week is Education Week. Each year, at this time, we celebrate the importance of education with activities, events and by sharing information. Every year a different theme is selected that profiles a critical element of our learning system. This year's theme is "Celebrating Partnerships."

Our NWT learning system has a number of key components. Early childhood development programs, schools and adult and post-secondary education all provide opportunities for northerners to develop their skills and build knowledge.

Learners in our education programs are involved daily in the pursuit of learning. But we all know that students do not succeed simply by sitting in classrooms and soaking up information. There are many factors that support our students and many people share in helping students be successful. We need to recognize our "partners in education" and thank them for their support.

First, Mr. Speaker, we must recognize families who make sure their children get enough sleep, are provided with nutritional food and a nurturing environment while being supported in their homework and studies. Families are a key element, perhaps the most important, of every student's success.

As well, there are teachers, adult educators, and college instructors who work in education because they believe in enriching the minds of our next generation. We have principals, administrative professionals and college staff who provide students with the structure and the necessary tools for learning.

As well, there are many who may not immediately come to mind when we think of the success of our graduates. We need to also recognize:

• volunteers who freely give of their time to help in so many ways in all our schools, college and early learning centres;

• trustees who sit on our boards to help guide operations, making the sometimes difficult and not always popular decisions;

• professional associations, such as the Northwest Territories Teachers' Association, whose focus on professionalism and professional development helps strengthen the skills of teachers and other employees;

• businesses and employers who provide learning opportunities "in the real world" and who also contribute funding support to a wide range of educational activities; and, Mr. Speaker,

• elders and community resource people who add the unique language and cultural aspects of our northern communities into the learning system.

Over the past few months, I have had an opportunity to visit a number of learning centres, I have been impressed by the dedication and hard work of all of our educational partners. More and more, our students, whether they are young children, teenagers or adults, are being successful. They are successful because of their personal efforts and the solid support of all of those who contribute to our NWT learning system.

I ask you to join me today, Mr. Speaker, in celebrating Education Week, to show appreciation to each and every northerner who has partnered with us and our students to reach their goals. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 92-15(3): Education Week - Success Built On Partnerships

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Minister's Statement 93-15(3): New Deal For NWT Community Governments

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to provide my colleagues with an update on the department's progress on implementation of the new deal for NWT community governments and the ongoing support provided to communities as we move forward on this initiative.

Mr. Speaker, I recently met with the board of directors of the Northwest Territories Association of Communities to brief in detail on the funding announcements in the budget address regarding the new deal. I am pleased to advise that the association has welcomed this announcement and has reaffirmed their interest in continuing to work with my department to implement this exciting initiative. When fully implemented, it will result in expanded authorities and predictable revenues for all community governments to use to advance community priorities.

As Members of this Assembly heard in the budget address, there are a number of exciting details around the new deal on the horizon. Beginning in the 2005-06 fiscal year, we are transferring property tax revenues in the general taxation area to community governments. This is an interim step to making hamlets and charter communities municipal taxation authorities in 2008.

The taxation revenues will flow to community governments on an unconditional basis, however communities will be encouraged to use the funding for infrastructure development or related O and M.

As well, Mr. Speaker, with $1 million in planning and design funding in 2005-06, we are preparing to implement the separate allocation for community public infrastructure in the GNWT capital plan, effective in the 2006-07 fiscal year. We will allocate an incremental $413 million for infrastructure in non-tax-based communities and an additional $43 million for tax-based communities through a formula allocation that will be developed in consultation with the Northwest Territories Association of Communities.

This predictable stream of funding, when combined with property tax revenues, federal gas tax funding, GST rebate and other sources of own-source revenues, will provide community governments with the flexibility to plan and construct community infrastructure, based on local needs and priorities.

The NWT new deal represents a fundamental change from today's approach. We recognize this will require ongoing support, advice and assistance to community governments as we make this important transition.

MACA recognizes the challenge that implementing the NWT new deal brings to some of our communities. Some communities do not have staff available to plan for and manage capital projects or to maintain existing and new infrastructure.

Other communities may not be equipped to undertake the administration functions that will accompany municipal taxation authority status.

To address these issues, Mr. Speaker, MACA plans to explore options for innovative capacity building at the community level through the work of the School of Community Government. This will be a primary focus of the new deal and we will work to ensure that community governments are ready, able and supported to the degree that they want and need to be, in taking on these new responsibilities. As the work on the new deal progresses, the department will collaborate with the Northwest Territories Association of Communities and community governments to develop workable transition plans that address capacity issues.

Mr. Speaker, the new deal for NWT community governments is a key priority for our government and the department is committed to working with our key partners, including the Northwest Territories Association of Communities, to ensure that communities are ready, willing and able. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 93-15(3): New Deal For NWT Community Governments

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 94-15(3): NWT Libraries Integrated Search

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, access to reading and reference materials helps people to develop literacy skills and obtain needed information and knowledge. Today, I am pleased to announce the official launch of the NWT library network's new automated system "Unicorn" that will improve public access to library holdings in the NWT.

The system has been in operation since December 6th to rave reviews. At noon today, I had the pleasure of launching the system here at the Legislative Assembly. I want to thank you, Mr. Speaker, and Mrs. Groenewegen for attending that. Mr. Speaker, similar launches took place in the library at Thebacha Campus in Fort Smith and the Centennial Public Library in Inuvik.

The NWT library network was established in January 2003 and consists of nine community libraries, three Aurora College campus libraries, the Aurora Research Institute library, the Legislative Assembly library and Prince of Wales Northern Heritage Centre reference library.

The first initiative of the NWT library network was to combine the databases of all the libraries in a new integrated library system using "Unicorn" software.

The new system allows access to the holds of all the libraries through one search engine and on one search screen. At the same time, network partners retain control over the policies and operation of their respective libraries.

The NWT Library Network union catalogue of holdings is available to all NWT residents on any computer with Internet access. The online public access catalogue provides the library patron with coloured pictures of the book covers and descriptions and reviews for many of the books and videos.

Reading and access to information is at the foundation of northern growth and development. Libraries play an essential role in supporting people of all ages to build their skills and knowledge. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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100th Anniversary Of Rotary International

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, 100 years ago today, attorney Paul P. Harris gathered with three friends and planted the seeds for the world's oldest and one of the most respected service club organizations. The meetings they held rotated from business to business, hence the name "Rotary" was born.

Today, Mr. Speaker, Rotary is a worldwide organization of businesses and professional leaders that provide humanitarian service. They encourage the highest ethical standards for its members and they help build goodwill and peace throughout the world.

Approximately 1.2 million Rotarians belong to more than 31,000 Rotary clubs in 166 countries in our world. Mr. Speaker, in Yellowknife and in Hay River, close to 100

professional women and men are proud to call themselves Rotarians. Our two Rotarian clubs have contributed to make the Northwest Territories an even better place to live.

Mr. Speaker, later today, I will be noting the attendance in our gallery of the attendance of the Rotarians from the city of Yellowknife from our local club. I just want to say thank you very much for this time to acknowledge the Rotarians' 100th birthday. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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100th Anniversary Of Rotary International

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to follow up on my statement and questions in the House yesterday pertaining to the closure of the remand services at the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre in Hay River. Mr. Speaker, many of the responses I received from the Minister create more questions.

In reference to the occupancy number of 1.5 inmates per month in remand that was provided, the Minister indicated that this reflects inmates from Hay River and the Hay River Reserve only. SMCC services the South Slave communities of Fort Smith, Fort Simpson, Fort Resolution, Enterprise, Fort Providence, Kakisa, Fort Liard, Fort Wrigley, Nahanni Butte, Jean Marie River, Trout Lake and Lutselk'e. That's why it's called the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre. If it were the Hay River Correctional Centre, providing stats for Hay River only would be completely understandable.

As to their being no extraordinary additional cost associated with holding remand inmates in cells in Yellowknife, Mr. Speaker, the cost of transporting and escorting prisoners is an extra cost. Again, that additional cost should not only be for inmates from Hay River. It should include the difference between the cost to transport to Yellowknife versus Hay River for remand inmates from every one of the communities that SMCC currently services.

In addition, when calculating the savings of $400,000, if there is a human resource cost in Hay River, you have to account for the cost of corrections workers in Yellowknife as well. It's wrong to say it costs this much in Hay River and it costs nothing in Yellowknife, except for extra food, unless we are expecting these inmates to look after themselves. Also to the cost of savings, the Minister indicated the cost of transporting the prisoners is absorbed by the RCMP. When asked how much it would cost the RCMP, the Minister said it's included in their budget for their contract.

I sure hope that contract was revised to reflect these extra activity and travel costs. My worst fear, Mr. Speaker, is that the Hay River detachment will be devoting extraordinary financial resources and man-hours to transport inmates to the detriment of policing services in Hay River.

Mr. Speaker, I am thoroughly convinced that the removal of remand services at the South Mackenzie Correctional Centre is an ill-conceived plan that will result in additional cost, an inconvenience to inmates and their families and unwarranted centralization of services in Yellowknife and the secondary effect of diminishing the quality of police services in Hay River.

Since these supposed savings were going to accrue by attrition and not by a set date of April 1st, I would ask the Minister to carefully reconsider this initiative. Mr. Speaker, I would like to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement, please.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. You may conclude your statement, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. I would ask the Minister to carefully reconsider this initiative. The normal requirements for layoff notice were not relevant in this instance because of casual employees providing services. So there have been no irreversible actions taken to this point complicating the reinstatement of the designation for remand in Hay River. The trained staff are there, the facilities are there, the service is well utilized. So it's an operations decision, Mr. Speaker. I trust that the Minister will take another look at this matter. Thank you.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Heating Costs In The North

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. A few years ago, the Government of the Northwest Territories recognized the impact of high fuel costs on residents and provided a one-time subsidy to households below a certain income threshold. Well, Mr. Speaker, if we thought prices were high then, I guess we didn't know how good we had it.

The price of heating fuel in Yellowknife is now at 71.5 cents per litre, up from 53.5 cents last year. That's a 34 percent increase. The price is over $1 a litre in some Northwest Territories communities. This has had a tremendous impact on families and businesses to try to make ends meet. Mr. Speaker, no matter how efficient a home or building is, when you get days and weeks of 40 below temperatures, it's going to take a lot of fuel to heat the place.

The irony, Mr. Speaker, is that we are already producing oil and gas in our own territory. There was 20.4 billion cubic feet of natural gas during 2004 alone and an average of 20,000 barrels of oil a day from the Norman Wells field. Most of this is being piped down south and we are paying the fuel market price, plus a premium to have it trucked back up to us. It doesn't make sense. I know oil has been in the range of $50 a barrel in the last several months, but when it's coming from our own backyard it's unbelievable that it doesn't count for anything to insulate us from world markets.

Mr. Speaker, this is a problem that needs to be attacked with both short and long-term solutions. In the short term, I would suggest the government needs to consider reintroducing the fuel subsidy to give residents and

businesses immediate relief to help cope with the rising fuel costs.

In the longer term, Mr. Speaker, I certainly hope that in negotiating the socioeconomic agreement with the pipeline proponents, that the government is pursuing commitments from industry that will ensure we see a direct benefit from our own oil and gas. If the Mackenzie Valley pipeline goes through, are we still going to be waving good-bye to our resources at the wellhead and paying outrageous prices to bring them back? Why couldn't we have a small refinery in Norman Wells or Fort Simpson to supply this territory?

---Applause

What about piping natural gas directly into Yellowknife and other communities? I hope these options and others are being seriously explored and, later today, Mr. Speaker, I will have questions for the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development . Thank you.

---Applause

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Heating Costs In The North

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Youth Entry Level Skills Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As this is Education Week, I would like to take this opportunity to speak on a very successful program that is in danger of being cut in the Beaufort-Delta. The Youth Entry Level Skills, or YELS program, was started by the Beaufort-Delta Education Council in 2001 and provides students between the ages of 17 and 29 with exposure to the trades and the oil and gas industry while encouraging them to stay in school and graduate. Mr. Speaker, by exposing students to the trades and oil and gas industry, we are expanding students' horizons.

Students see that to get a good job, even in trades, you need a good education. Industry has supported this program since its inception. Students are offered job placement for two weeks where they can get some hands-on experience and can get a sense of whether a particular career or field is of interest to them.

Mr. Speaker, the statistics speak to the success of the YELS program. Program completion rates are around 96 percent of students enrolled in the YELS oil and gas program in 2003. All but two of them came back to regular school in 2004. Finally, in 2001, only one student out of six tested drug-free and, in 2004, 10 of the 12 students tested drug-free. This shows that the message on drugs in the workplace is getting through.

I have also heard good things from parents, educators and students and two other school boards are looking to set up their own version of the YELS program. Sadly, Mr. Speaker, in these times of economic restraint, the Beaufort-Delta Divisional Education Council may no longer have the funds to administer and run this very valuable program and will have to make a decision on whether the program will continue.

Mr. Speaker, it is a good program. Industry and the regional aboriginal governments also provide support to the program because they, too, recognize that YELS provides opportunity and encouragement to students to succeed in life. I strongly encourage the Department of Education, Culture and Employment to work with the Beaufort-Delta Divisional Education Council and examine ways that the YELS program could continue to be funded. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Echo-dene School Attendance Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In honour of Education Week, I too would like to recognize the extra efforts that have taken place in our schools, such as the initiative that is going on in the Echo-Dene School to improve school attendance. In an effort to get the kids of Fort Liard to classes on a regular basis, the school has decided to reward students for good attendance. Students who manage 90 percent attendance or better are invited to a tasty lunch and a movie. Mr. Speaker, I was even more impressed when I learned that the families of the students with good attendance also receive recognition and rewards.

Last Christmas, they were presented with a turkey or ham and, this spring, a small feast will be held in their honour.

Mr. Speaker, it takes a community to raise a child. Families play a crucial role in ensuring that a child is at school and ready to learn. Community-based approaches to education are an essential component in building a healthy community. Initiatives like the ones at Echo-Dene School in Fort Liard do a lot towards putting these ideals into practice, but we still have a long way to go. According to a report put out by the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, 32 percent of parents in smaller communities are still under-involved in their children's education.

Providing incentives for kids to attend school on a regular basis is a great move in the right direction. Congratulations to the staff, students and families of the Echo-Dene School in Fort Liard. Keep up the good work. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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Echo-dene School Attendance Program

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Villeneuve .

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Caribou Management Plans

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Robert Villeneuve

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Today, I rise to talk about the proposed Bathurst caribou management plan the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development is considering for future development and possible implementation. The Minister of RWED did state that four years of research by this government had gone into studying the caribou migration patterns. Although this type of research is always welcomed by residents of the NWT, I feel that the lack of public input and traditional knowledge incorporated into the development of a manageable plan for caribou conservation purposes is missing from all of this. This research and these consultation processes have to be considered as an

integral component towards any successful wildlife management plan this government undertakes.

Mr. Speaker, for myself, and I am sure for many others of this House who are avid outdoorsmen or women, the traditional knowledge learned from elders is very valuable when establishing our high level of respect and protection of our wildlife and wildlife habitat when out on the land. A good example of this, Mr. Speaker, is the information I have received from one of my conversations with some of the local aboriginal elders, about why the caribou are not as fat or as healthy as they were last year. Naturally, Mr.

Speaker, one of the reasons is the increase in the level of development and exploration activity in the region and another is the increase in the number of people going out to hunt and harvest animals.

With the large number of snowmobiles and vehicles travelling through the migration routes, the animals do not have time to dig for their food under the snow because of the increased number of distractions like noisy machines and vehicles and people who are camping and fishing in the area. As one elder eloquently put it, Mr. Speaker, and I quote: "I remember the days when the caribou were so fat that we had to skin them twice; once for removing the skin and then again for removing the fat."

---Laughter

Mr. Speaker, although this observation is somewhat far-fetched, I hope that these good old days are not lost and that we will see some improvement, be it through government legislation or personal practices, in the way we manage our wildlife so that we can all have the same enlightening experiences as did our elders when out on the land. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Caribou Management Plans

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Villeneuve . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Great Slave , Mr. Braden .

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GNWT Support For Cultural Festivals And Events

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we gradually approach the spring season, Mr. Speaker, we are getting into the season of carnivals, festivals and events in communities across the Northwest Territories. It is interesting to note that, last year, a couple of our real hallmark events, the Folk on the Rocks festival celebrated its 20th anniversary and the Great Northern Arts Festival in Inuvik commemorated 15 years. This year in Yellowknife, Mr. Speaker, will mark the 10th year of the Snow King festival down on Yellowknife Bay, and it's the 50th anniversary of Caribou Carnival.

Mr. Speaker, these principally volunteer-run festivals and events are not having good days right now. They are suffering from a lack of continuity and, I think, Mr. Speaker, a real lack of support from the Government of the Northwest Territories; especially when it comes to recognizing their significance as the primary vehicles, the real showcases of our northern culture, northern lifestyle and, of course, our arts and crafts, sports and recreation.

The Arts Strategy released late last year, Mr. Speaker, was something that I had hoped to see as a real opportunity for our government to step up to the plate and show our communities and our volunteers just how important these festivals are, but there was, regrettably, nothing in the Arts Strategy, Mr. Speaker, despite the principal recommendations of a panel that spent two years surveying the Northwest Territories. One of those recommendations was to expand funding levels, flexibility and support, multi-year and ongoing funding, for important regional festivals and other activities.

Mr. Speaker, as we come into this season of festivals, we need to recognize that there is a big gap in this government's recognition of the significance and the importance of festivals and events as something that showcases just who we are. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Braden . Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Concerns With Social Housing And Income Support Policies

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1481

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take the opportunity today to highlight some situations that are being created by our inhumane policies that lack compassion regarding social housing, homelessness and women. This crosses the board with departments responsible for housing, social services, and employment income security.

Mr. Speaker, I have three examples of these issues. The first one is the fact that, currently, the Yellowknife Housing Authority policy states that if a family gets evicted from social housing, they are not entitled to get any more than $32 from the Income Support Program. Anybody who knows anything about housing in Yellowknife could tell you that there is no way you are going to get anywhere to stay for $32. This could potentially create a situation where you have dozens of families who are literally homeless and have no place to go.

A second situation that I am aware of, that I am really stuck with, is the fact that there is a woman who wants to live with a child, but social housing will not provide them a home. She cannot be united with her child unless she has a home. Without the child, she doesn't qualify for a home, and she is in a women's shelter. She is stuck in this place where it is really very difficult.

A third situation, Mr. Speaker, I want to speak about is a situation where the housing association office in Yellowknife is becoming, for some, very punitive in the way they deal with those who they consider to be problem tenants. Instead of taking these concerns to the rental office, who I think they feel are being too lenient to tenants, and I think it was meant to be that way, they're bumping up a lot of cases to the Supreme Court. That requires a lawyer for these people who cannot afford that. This is one of the reasons why I thought the new legal aid office should have gone into.

Anyway, I'm dealing with a lot of issues but, Mr. Speaker, I just want to highlight these three very difficult situations that people are dealing with in our community and that takes coordination on the part of all these three departments to work out. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 1482

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to recognize Mr. Sandy MacDonald in the gallery. Sandy is the territorial librarian and helped launch the Unicorn system today at lunch.

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Page 1482

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . The honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm pleased to recognize Major Al Hoeft from the Salvation Army and a good constituent. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1482

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . The honourable Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Page 1482

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today at lunch we had the privilege of being with the NWT seniors as they opened up their new offices. We have the privilege, as well, of having some of them in the House today. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to recognize Ms. Bea Campbell, the president from Fort Smith; Alvin Armstrong, the vice-president from Hay River; Lloyd Brooms, past-president from Hay River; Tom Wilson, a director from Fort Simpson; Florence Barnaby, a director from Fort Good Hope; as well, Barb Hood, the executive director of the NWT Seniors' Society. Please welcome these good folks.

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Page 1482

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Page 1482

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'd like to recognize three people from Hay River in the gallery today: Alvin Armstrong, Lloyd Brooms, and, as mentioned by Mr. Dent , our chief territorial librarian, Mr. Sandy MacDonald. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1482

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I heard a constituent of mine's name mentioned, Mr. Tom Wilson. I'd like to recognize him. Thank you very much.

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Page 1482

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time I'd also like to recognize Major Al Hoeft, who happens to be the president of the Yellowknife Rotary Club. I believe John Argue is up there somewhere. He's no stranger to this Assembly and he's also a member of the Yellowknife Rotary Club. Finally, I'd just like to say as a whole I'd like to tip my hat to all the seniors we have in the gallery today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 1482

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. I, as well, would like to pass on my welcoming to the group that's in the gallery today, especially our seniors who had a big event today opening up their new office here in Yellowknife. I was glad to attend that. I wish you all the best of luck in your new offices. I'd also like to recognize a couple of my constituents in Hay River: Al Armstrong and Lloyd Brooms.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 458-15(3): Closure Of The South Mackenzie Correctional Centre Remand Unit

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1482

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in following up with my line of questioning from yesterday and my Member's statement from today, Mr. Speaker, I'd like to ask Mr. Dent if he's ever seen the remand unit in the Hay River South Mackenzie Correctional Centre. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1482

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have, and not as an inmate.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1482

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I meant that question in the most serious way because it is difficult to talk about something that's technical like this without having a mental picture of how the layout is, and I feel like yesterday I was kind of having a hard time explaining all the many functions which happen in that particular controlled unit. Mr. Speaker, I'd also like to ask the Minister, he referred to the contract yesterday with the Hay River detachment for the RCMP saying that their budget would accommodate this extra activity and travel costs. I'd like to know, was the budget for this upcoming year revisited with these extra costs in mind? Was there an increase? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1482

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I didn't mean to imply that we had negotiated a new arrangement with the RCMP. There's one overall contract with the RCMP in the Northwest Territories. But we are confident that, and after talking with the RCMP, the costs can be absorbed. Any extra costs that we may be required to pay, such as for transportation, we believe we will have very close to the right amount in savings and the $18,000 that was not given up as part of the overall reduction exercise. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So the $18,000 for staff and transportation and travel costs is supposed to absorb the inmates who are in remand being transported to Yellowknife from Hay River. What about the cost difference between the costs for transporting inmates from Hay River to Yellowknife versus the extra cost, more than what it costs say to bring somebody from Fort Resolution to Hay River as opposed to Fort Resolution to Yellowknife? Has that extra cost been calculated in there? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Paul Delorey

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There was always a cost to move somebody from whichever community outside of Hay River. The courts remanded them into custody to Hay River, and that cost will always be there. There may be some incremental costs; there may be some incremental savings. It is, for instance, cheaper for the RCMP plane to transport an inmate or somebody on remand from Fort Liard to Yellowknife than it is to transport them by road from Fort Liard to Hay River. So it's really hard to say exactly what the differences are going to be. But yes, we've taken a look at the costs and are comfortable that within $5,000 to $10,000 either way that the savings are going to be there. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this may be the first time in history when it costs less to charter an aircraft than it does to drive down a highway. Mr. Speaker, the $18,000 just seems such an unbelievable amount as extra costs for all these things that we've been talking about. Mr. Speaker, I wonder if the Minister could give me a commitment. Would he agree to put the decision to remove remand services from Hay River on hold until we have a chance to look at a more in-depth cost-benefit analysis of this particular move? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Paul Delorey

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Page 1483

Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This initiative is included in the budget that is before this House. I am confident that the savings that we have proposed are real and I am not intending to withdraw it from the budget. It's come forward and it's part of the government's program right now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 459-15(3): Foreign Investment In The Nwt

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1483

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Today my question is for the honourable Minister of RWED with respect to foreign investment into the NWT. Previously we had an aurora fund. What kind of vehicle do we have today to stimulate foreign investment into the NWT? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The honourable Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Bell .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

In the past we did benefit from aurora fund one and aurora fund two. It is my understanding that the current initiative being headed up by Canada is called the opportunities fund. We've signed up to be a partner in that. Not all provinces have, but we anticipate as that process is unveiled we'll have access to money and then we'll have to sit down and are prepared to sit down with committee to talk about how this government would best utilize those resources that could flow from that opportunities fund. It's based on the same premise. It's an immigrant investor fund.

People pay a certain amount of money which is returned to them after an amount of time and that can be used for an agreed upon purpose. The difference this time, as in past we had to go and solicit and market our own investment, this time Canada's doing it on our behalf and then they're parceling out the money to provinces and territories who have signed up. I'm not sure we exactly know quite yet what our share of the money will be, but we know we've signed up. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I was just not quite certain what we as a government are doing to stimulate or encourage foreign investment. It doesn't have to be in the regions, it can be in the communities, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . I didn't hear a question there. Did you want to rephrase that statement into a question, Mr. Menicoche ?

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. The question was for the RWED Minister . What is our government doing to stimulate and encourage investment into the Northwest Territories? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's a difficult question. The immigrant investor fund is one potential vehicle, but, as I've said, Canada administers that. So if the Member is asking about the specific activities of this government to solicit foreign investment, I don't think that we're actively pursuing investment in that regard. I think one of our challenges, and we've seen other jurisdictions, we know the Natural Resources Minister was in China recently and had some other provinces and I believe the Yukon territory in tow as well.

We don't get the lion's share of revenues that flow from resources, so I suspect that we're not in the same boat as a jurisdiction like the Yukon seeking to make sure their resources are developed so their coffers benefit from that. Ours really wouldn't and we're obviously faced with that dilemma and I think that affects how vigorously we try to pursue foreign investment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell me if we do have a dedicated resource person within the department to address the question of foreign investment? Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

No, Mr. Speaker, I don't believe we do. We do have an investment and economic analysis division in my department which does a lot of economic modelling and helps us understand the benefit of resources. But much of our aspirations obviously are hinged on devolution and control over lands and resources and when the resources start to flow, when the royalties start to flow from resources, I suspect we'll have a discussion at that point about how we best want to see the development of our resources. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I was just wondering if our new business development, the BDIC, would be flexible enough to work with, say, Industry Canada for foreign investments into the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I think one of the advantages we talked about with the BDIC is that it's certainly not as prescriptive as our existing legislation. So if there are local entrepreneurs who would like to partner with other agencies or would like to try and generate foreign investment, I don't think it's a matter of investors having to immigrate to the country to be able to invest in NWT businesses. I think there are a number of partnership approaches that could be taken. We do have currently some businesses in the Northwest Territories that are either partially or wholly owned by foreigners.

It's, I think, a matter of really setting up a Canadian company in order to be able to invest here. So that's certainly possible and BDIC can work with anybody and then if the Member has anybody who's interested in this regard, please send them our way and we'll sit down with our officials and talk about what the possibilities are. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 460-15(3): Support For NWT Cultural Festivals And Events

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My questions this afternoon are for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment in his role as one of the departments responsible for the NWT Arts Strategy. Mr. Speaker, it's been well publicized that a couple of the NWT's premier festivals are not in good financial or organizational shape. I wanted to ask the Minister what avenues of support does his department make available to festivals and events in the NWT. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Almost all of the money that goes out from my department to support the arts in the Northwest Territories is funnelled through the NWT Arts Council awards or grants. There are a number of festivals that make application to the NWT Arts Council and they receive funding through that vehicle.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I appreciate the information. The last time I looked at the criteria for those there were some fairly severe limitations on the amount of funding, on whether or not multi-year commitments could be made, which was one of the recommendations of the panel, and other things of this nature. I don't know that is a really sufficient area. I wanted to ask the Minister if he could explain why festivals and events weren't more specifically targeted in the Arts

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am aware of awards to festivals that have amounted to tens of thousands of dollars, so I would suggest that the amount of money that is available for festivals is a significant portion of the money, but it takes the festivals to convince the members of the Arts Council that their festival is worthy of support. The funds are then awarded by artists to artist organizations. I think the funding is there for a well-run organization, but it is awarded each year to organizations based on their application.

I think it's also important to point out that in the course of the last year, we have increased the amount of funding by $125,000 to the Arts Council and to the tune of I think around $300,000 in the last few years. So we are doing what we can to increase the amount of money that goes into Arts Council funding and making awards to artists is certainly a good way to make sure the right people are getting it. Thank you.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The areas of support that the Minister has outlined are indeed significant and appropriate, but I don't know if they go to the heart of the difficulties that some of these festivals are having, which is in their administration and their ability to hire staff, do promotion and marketing, and this kind of thing. This is the area that I'm really looking at, as I think it is a core problem for our festivals and events. Is the money that is made available through these arts grants targeted for that kind of purpose, Mr. Speaker? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, it's not available for those types of purposes generally. That's one of the reasons that RWED and ECE cooperated on the Arts Strategy. The Education, Culture and Employment side of the strategy is aimed at funding art for art's sake. Not for the business, not for tourism, not for promotion, not for administration, but art for art's sake. When you want to talk about tourism or the business side of arts, that's handled by RWED. So artists and arts organizations have to take a look at what their focus is and where they're looking to have the grants focus on when deciding where to put the applications in. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill Braden

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, art for art's sake is a great concept, but it doesn't get us very far if it's kept in a dark room or a stage that doesn't have an audience. Why is it that ECE will not appreciate that artists and cultural groups also need ways to present and showcase their art? Where is the support for bringing their art to the people? Thank you. Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is accommodated through RWED and that's one of the ways that the Arts Strategy was set out to help people understand where they should go and how to apply for funding to support their project. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask the Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development what value-added or secondary industries are being looked at in conjunction with the Mackenzie Valley gas project that will ensure northerners can look forward to lower fuel prices in the future as a result of these hydrocarbons coming out of our backyard. Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'll stick, I guess, to the value-added discussions around lowering the cost of living. We do know there are some manufacturing options that are being looked at, some things that other communities are pursuing. Pipe coating is a project that the community of Hay River is particularly interested in. But in terms of whether or not communities along the pipeline route will be able to access gas for their utilities, whether that's electrical generation or home heat, I know that discussion is on the table. There are other options.

Obviously there are issues to deal with if you convert from diesel to natural gas. You can have stranded assets. The Power Corporation obviously would have assets that would need to be converted, or I guess would become not useful anymore. Appliances in homes would have to be changed over. So there are some costs.

Obviously the benefit would be the environmental cost that we're offsetting. But I think there's also the option, we've had a lot of discussion around hydro. We think the legacy infrastructure in terms of hydro can make a big impact on the cost of living or electrical generation. Waste heat generated, I think, from compression statements up and down the pipeline could potentially be used to generate electricity, as well. So there are a number of

options being pursued. There may be more in terms of access agreements being negotiated by regional groups that I'm not aware of, but those are the kinds of things we're talking about. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know inside the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development there is a position that's referred to as an industrial initiatives analyst or specialist and I'm wondering if indeed this position or this group of people inside of RWED is looking at the possibility of setting up industry here in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On a day-to-day basis I'm not sure of the options that are being pursued. There could be work being done with potential private sector interests that I'm not aware of. In terms of setting up industry, I guess I'd need more clarification from the Member as to whether or not he's talking about petrochemical industry, issues that I've just spoken to related to the use of gas up and down the valley by utilities. I need a little more clarification from the Member, I guess, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I was trying to keep my questions short. Yes, I was talking specifically about petrochemical facilities and refineries, as well. I'd like to ask the Minister what he envisions staying here. Is there any gas or oil that's going to stay in the Northwest Territories or is it all going to go south and then get shipped back north and we're going to pay a premium for it? Thank you.

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Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I understand there are some private interests looking at exactly those kinds of issues. There has to be and we have to better understand the plan by the project proponents in terms of where liquids would be separated and where that would happen. But obviously I think just on a point of principle, we'd like to see as much value-added as practically possible in the Northwest Territories as opposed to Alberta or northern B.C. or somewhere else. So that certainly is on our radar and will be something that we'd be advocating for. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1486

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. So specifically what is the Government of the Northwest Territories doing to ensure that we get the value-added and the secondary industry here after the pipeline comes? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . Mr. Bell .

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Brendan Bell

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We're working to develop a socioeconomic agreement. The Joint AOC/Cabinet Pipeline Planning Committee is driving much of that process and providing the strategic direction for our department in terms of negotiating that socioeconomic agreement. It is in the early stages. We're laying out an agreed-upon process for doing that. So there are many areas, legacy infrastructure, business opportunities, training and employment opportunities.

We're going through the whole range and I can assure the Member that in each of these topic areas, each of these priority areas we are looking at any option that makes any kind of sense. Starting from that basis, if we have to rule things out upon further research, we'll do that, but we're not ignoring anything. If the Member has any suggestions or thoughts or constituents bring thoughts to him, certainly bring them to our attention and we'd like to work with committee to pursue these issues. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Bell . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Range Lake , Ms. Lee .

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Question 462-15(3): Public Information Sessions On Land Use

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1486

Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Aboriginal Affairs and it arises out of the discussions we've been having about the different governments around the Yellowknife area applying for permits and land use and such. It is a very complicated field and I think that most people in the Yellowknife area and most people in the Territories know that various aboriginal groups are in the process of negotiating land claims and self-government agreements and that there are implications for non-aboriginal residents.

I think it is incumbent on the Government of the Northwest Territories, as the public government, to facilitate opportunities for people to understand what's going on; not just specifically what's happening with the Yellowknives and the City of Yellowknife. I guess I'm asking specifically to that. I'm wondering if the Minister has any plans to conduct a public information session in Yellowknife so that people can understand what's going on, what land is being talked about, whether it's for identification, selection, and what it means for the non-claimant people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Lee . The honourable Minister of Aboriginal Affairs , the honourable Premier , Mr. Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the Ministry of Aboriginal Affairs is looking at or preparing for some public information sessions dealing with the status of negotiations with the Akaitcho. At the same time, if there are issues around land applications and so on around the city, then I'd like to talk for my colleague, the Minister of MACA, and possibly the two of us can do something jointly that would help to explain to the public what the processes are and how one would access the applications and their interests in land. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Handley . Supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have to point out the fact that there are lots of communications going on. I think daily or at least weekly, residents of Yellowknife do get newsletters from various levels of government about self-government talks. The thing about this topic is it's very complicated and it needs to be done in a way that grabs the attention of the people. Our experiences in this committee in travelling with the Special Committee on Self-Government and Implementation, for example, is that you need to educate the public so they have enough to even ask questions.

So I'd like to know if the Minister could make sure that this process is done in a way that's interactive and more participatory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the Member is correct. We do send out a lot of information in newsletters and news releases and so on, but I agree that we need to have more of a meeting or workshop kind of session for those who have a keen interest where they would be able to ask questions and get answers to some of the concerns that they may have. My intention is that starting this spring we will be holding information sessions where people will be invited to come in and participate in dialogue around not just the Akaitcho claim, but claims in other areas.

I'm saying that with the assumption that the Akaitcho, the federal government and others who are involved in negotiations are in agreement with the need to have more information out there to the public to give people some comfort. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Thank you, Mr. Handley . Supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yes, I think it's very important and I think we all understand that this is a multi-party process. I think the latest example has demonstrated a need to get the communication straight. In this case it involves the City of Yellowknife, Akaitcho government, Yellowknives, federal government, territorial government, and I would like to ask the Premier to make a special effort to get all those parties to agree to a communication and information session. I really believe it's in the interest of everyone to make sure that people affected understand. Could I get the Premier to commit to doing that? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lee . Minister Handley .

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, yes, we will do that. We do want to put out a caution though, that we have to have the agreement by the other parties and that we are sure of what we are doing.

One thing that we don't want to do, and I certainly don't want to do, would be to have these interactive workshops and meetings become a forum for negotiating in the public or negotiating through the media. We don't want to go there. We do feel we have an obligation to let the public know where the negotiations are and what the issues may be. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Final supplementary, Ms. Lee .

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Sandy Lee

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe there is a lot of room to move in between negotiating in public and informing the public about what is going on. In the absence and vacuum of good information, people start operating on rumours and fears and that is not what we want to see happen with what is going on. I think the residents of Yellowknife and the surrounding area have every right to know what the process is and what is being done.

I would like to ask the Minister to commit to making every effort to getting all the partners to see the merits of that and making it happen. Thank you.

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Joe Handley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I commit to undertaking that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Handley . Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 463-15(3): Beaufort-delta Education Council Funding Formula

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . I would like to ask the Minister how they come up with the funding formula for the Beaufort-Delta Divisional Education Council. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The formula that we use to fund the education councils across the Northwest Territories is set by a group of superintendents that meet with staff from the department. Between them they decide on the formula and how it should be worked out across the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

In 1996-97, the Beaufort-Delta Divisional Education Council received $425 per student. Today, I believe they receive $440 per student. That is only an increase of three percent, yet inflation during the time was 17 percent. Can the Minister explain why inflation is not factored into the formula and should it be? Thank you.

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Paul Delorey

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First of all, I'm not sure that the Member is accurate on the numbers. I believe that the average amount that we provide to education councils across the Northwest Territories is about $9,000 per student. The amount of money is not in the hundreds, it is in the thousands.

The amount of money that is provided to education boards across the Territories was cut significantly as a result of federal cuts to our transfer payments in the mid to late 1990s. As a result, our pupil-teacher ratio went from, at that time, to just under 14 pupils to one teacher, to over 18 pupils per teacher. We have, over the past four, five, six years, put significant money back into the system, but it hasn't been enough to get us to that level of funding. We are now funding the system at close to 16 to one, in terms of pupils to teachers.

We haven't taken inflation into account. No department in government has been able to take inflation into account, because of the amount of money that we have been getting from the federal government. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Supplementary, Mr. McLeod.

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I will double check on those numbers. Maybe I was given the wrong numbers. Another question I have is the Beaufort-Delta Divisional Education Council serves eight communities over a wide geographical area. Is that factored into the formula and would the Minister commit to looking into this matter?

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Paul Delorey

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Charles Dent

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In fact, the formula is adjusted by the distance between communities, the size of the population in a region and the size of the schools. An education council that has more small schools receives a higher proportion of funding per student than one that has larger schools. Yes, that sort of thing is factored into the formula. The formula is adjusted every year, or adjustments are considered every year, as the senior administrators in the department get together to discuss the formula. It is adjusted every year and it is certainly something that I discuss with the board c