Debates of May 22nd, 1996

This is page numbers 537 - 581 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Transportation Agenda Update (1996): Creating Opportunities Through Partnerships

Appointment Of Supreme Court Judge For Nunavut

Construction Of Hospitals For Inuvik And Baffin

Need For Baffin Regional Director

Tough Decisions In Times Of Fiscal Restraint

Congratulating Baker Lake And Arviat Graduates

Reinstatement Of Public Speaking In The Classroom

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Rationale For Sale And Lease Of Staff Housing

Criteria For Sale/purchase Of Staff Housing

Interaction Between Premier's Panel And Resource Management Committee

Cbc Report On Possibility Of Civil Service Strike

Financial Assistance For Medical Students

Replacement Generator For Iqaluit

Responsibility For Maintenance Of NWT Highways

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Bill 14: Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 3

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97 Department Of Justice

Committee Report 2-13(3): Standing Committee On Infrastructure Report On The Review Of The 1996-97 Main Estimates

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 537

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Good afternoon. Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 65-13(3): Transportation Agenda Update (1996): Creating Opportunities Through Partnerships

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 537

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, Members of the Assembly, in the Agenda for Change, the Premier presented 10 priorities of the government for securing the financial future of the Northwest Territories, improving our quality of life and creating new economic opportunities for northerners.

In his Budget Address, the Minister of Finance emphasized the importance of partnerships to create and exploit economic development opportunities.

The Department of Transportation has much to contribute in achieving these directions. Despite fiscal cutbacks, the department sees many opportunities to promote economic development while ensuring a basic level of accessible, reliable and safe transportation.

Fulfilment of opportunities in transportation will require the cooperation and input of other stakeholders who share these common objectives. They include other governments, the private sector, communities and transportation users. Opportunities can only be fulfilled by establishing partnerships with these groups.

The development of the transportation system needed in the Northwest Territories for our economic development is a longer-term objective than the three-year planning horizon of the Department of Transportation's business plan. It is also a broader objective that is too easily lost in the financial detail of the annual budget process.

I would like to sketch for the Members some of the broader economic development themes I want to pursue through the transportation portfolio.

Transportation Infrastructure For Mineral Development

As the Minister of Finance stated, "responsible development of our mineral resources represents the single most important opportunity that we have for sustainable economic growth."

However, it is the lack of adequate road and port infrastructure that impedes mineral exploration and development. There are several promising mining projects in the East and West that will require new transportation infrastructure if they are to proceed.

I want to look for innovative solutions to infrastructure financing. This will require partnerships with the federal government and the mining industry. Finding a solution will not be easy but it is an objective we must pursue.

At the same time and in cooperation with the departments of Economic Development and Tourism and Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources, I will be working on a resource access road policy. The policy will be aimed at encouraging economic development. It will provide a framework for evaluating the territorial government's involvement in the provision of infrastructure for mineral developments.

Extension Of The Mackenzie Valley Highway

Extension of the Mackenzie Valley Highway has been one of the department's long-term objectives since the 1990 transportation strategy was developed.

The lack of all-weather access to the Mackenzie Valley communities limits the people's mobility and impedes their economic development. There are also environmental concerns related to the annual construction of the winter road.

I will increase my efforts in pursuing a partnership with the federal government and communities for the construction of this highway. This will be pursued with the federal government as an employment creation initiative. In response to environmental concerns, I have proposed that funding be increased for winter road improvements.

National Highway Program

For a number of years, the provinces and territories have been urging the federal government to take the lead role in establishing a national highway program. In the Northwest Territories, the route from the Alberta border to Hay River and Yellowknife is part of the designated national highway system. Sections of this route are not up to current national highway standards. In fact, the gravel sections of Highway 3 are the only unpaved sections in the entire national highway system in Canada. The end result is increased operating costs and safety concerns for users.

In the department's current plan, reconstruction of the highway will take a long time to complete. Additional funding to accelerate construction would be available if the federal government instituted a national highway program. I will increase my efforts, in cooperation with other jurisdictions, to persuade the federal government to establish a national highway program.

Marine Transportation

Marine facilities are required to support both community resupply and resource developments. The department will continue to improve community resupply facilities and will work cooperatively with the Department of Public Works and Services on initiatives to rationalize the marine resupply system in the Northwest Territories.

To ensure they remain a priority, I will work to raise the profile of northern marine transportation programs. The federal government must know that these programs are essential to the northern economy, especially to communities in the East. The level of service provided by these programs must be maintained to ensure safe, reliable and accessible marine transportation. In addition, I will pursue devolution where these programs can be more effectively managed by the territorial government.

Air Transportation

Reliable and low-cost air transportation is important to the North, particularly for off-highway communities. I will work with air carriers and communities to find ways of improving air transportation services and to provide appropriate airport infrastructure to reduce air travel costs in the North.

The federal government is responsible for the regulation of the air industry and for aviation safety. I will work to ensure that the unique aspects of air transportation in the North are accommodated in federal air regulations.

NavCan is the newly-created commercial company that will assume responsibility from the federal government for the air navigation system in Canada. I will work with NavCan to ensure a continued high level of air navigation services in the North.

Improve Transportation Safety

Safety is a basic, ongoing concern and objective for the Department of Transportation. One of the department's priorities outlined in its business plan is to improve transportation safety awareness and regulation to reduce injury and fatality rates in all modes of transportation.

I will work to improve transportation safety on our highways and on the water. This will be achieved through the

development and implementation of programs to promote small boat, ATV and snowmobile safety. Campaigns and programs will be undertaken to increase the public awareness of safety issues.

In pursuing the six initiatives I have outlined, I will ensure that the road, air and marine modes of transportation work in an integrated manner to provide the most effective service to meet the transportation needs of communities and to create economic development opportunities.

In conclusion, Mr. Speaker, we must all pull together to accomplish the vision of our future described by the Premier . The Department of Transportation has a crucial role to play in building a healthy economic future for the people of the Northwest Territories. We look forward to doing our part. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 65-13(3): Transportation Agenda Update (1996): Creating Opportunities Through Partnerships

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 538

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Appointment Of Supreme Court Judge For Nunavut

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise to speak in support of the appointment of the next Supreme Court justice as the new Supreme Court judge for Nunavut. Now that Justice Mark de Weerdt has moved to the Supreme Court of BC, there is a vacant seat in our Supreme Court.

Mr. Speaker, I would very much like to see a judge for Nunavut put in place and working in the present NWT justice system well before Nunavut is actually implemented. This will help ensure a smooth changeover when Nunavut is put in place in April 1999.

Mr. Speaker, I know that Supreme Court judges are appointed by the federal government, but I also know that the federal government will consider the views of our NWT Minister of Justice and of a committee of the Law Society.

I know that when Mr. Kakfwi was Minister of Justice , he stated in this House that he would like to see the next Supreme Court judge a resident of Nunavut. That did not happen, Mr. Speaker.

I believe that the people of Nunavut are looking forward to the first resident Supreme Court judge in Nunavut. I know that, until very recently, the law required that our Supreme Court judges live in Yellowknife. This is probably why the last three appointments to the Supreme Court of the Northwest Territories have been practising lawyers and residents of Yellowknife. However, Mr. Speaker, I hope that in looking for the best candidate for what will be the Nunavut Supreme Court, we could somehow make sure we get the best talent, wherever it is.

For example, I have met Judge James Igliliorte, who is an Inuk judge of the Provincial Court of Newfoundland and Labrador. The people of Labrador are fortunate that for many years, they have had the advantage of having a judge who understands them well.

I was very impressed to learn that Judge Igliliorte was a school principal who was sent to law school by the provincial government especially to become a judge. Mr. Speaker, in keeping with the spirit of the new Nunavut government, which I believe will be dedicated to serving the unique needs of its constituents...

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement, please.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Baffin Central is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Enuaraq .

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. ...in a very special part of Canada, I think it is time we appointed a Supreme Court judge for Nunavut who will be specially recruited for that very important job in the new territory. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Construction Of Hospitals For Inuvik And Baffin

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 539

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday we reviewed the main estimates for 1996-97 for the Department of Health. Mr. Speaker, there was some good debate and clarification concerning the funding for the hospitals for the Baffin and Inuvik regions. Mr. Speaker, Mr. Roland , from Inuvik, articulated very well our position that the MOU signed in 1987 before the advent of division talks has to be honoured. The commitment yesterday, by motion and the allocation of funds for this year, by the 13th Assembly sends a strong signal that the hospitals are a priority.

Mr. Speaker, in the Baffin case, the catchment area is almost 85 per cent Inuk; thus, the funding for said new hospital as outlined in the aforesaid MOU will be funded 85 per cent by the federal government. In these times of fiscal restraint, we have to applaud the people who negotiated that initial agreement in 1987.

The chairperson of the Baffin Regional Health Board and myself were scheduled earlier this month to meet with the federal Health Minister , Mr. Dingwall, in Ottawa, to discuss the new hospital construction. However, two days before that meeting, the Minister had to cancel because he was called out of town. We are now trying to reschedule another meeting, but with the commitment as shown by this government over the past 24 hours and the ever-resource esteemed Health Minister , Mr. Kelvin Ng , the meeting may not be needed.

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Construction Of Hospitals For Inuvik And Baffin

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Some Hon. Members

Hear! Hear!

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Construction Of Hospitals For Inuvik And Baffin

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

I would like to thank my Delta colleagues, Mr. Krutko , Mr. Roland and Mr. Steen , for supporting the motion put forward yesterday supporting the hospital construction in Inuvik and Baffin. The motion was moved by my friend, the MLA for High Arctic, Levi Barnabas . Qujannamiik, thank you, Uqaqtii.

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Construction Of Hospitals For Inuvik And Baffin

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 539

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Need For Baffin Regional Director

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Qujannamiik, Uqaqtii. I rise today to express my concern about a shortage of one unit of staff housing in Grise Fiord, which may jeopardize the community grade extension in that community unless the problem can be quickly solved. I also wish to comment on this situation to show how complex our government has become today and to give this as a very good example of why I think the GNWT needs a regional director on the scene in the Baffin region to solve exactly these kinds of problems on the spot in the region without me having to bring this issue up on the floor of this Assembly.

Here is the story, Mr. Speaker: School grades have been extended in Grise Fiord. Grade 10 is now in place and the community is looking forward to grade 11 being put in place next year. These grade extensions have put real pressure on the school for additional classroom space, but especially on the requirements for staff housing. Three years ago, the Baffin Divisional Board of Education was granted what was described as emergency lease funding by Public Works and Services, to house their new school principal. A house was leased from the Grise Fiord co-op for that purpose.

Now the board has been told that the emergency lease funding has run out. The divisional board then requested the Department of Education, Culture and Employment to provide what is called "build-to-lease' funding in order to get an additional house, since teachers had to live in the nursing station because nothing else was available. Although the board was promised that funding, the lease was never tendered. Now the board is told that to replace the emergency lease funding, which has run out, they can use the "build-to-lease" funds.

That leaves Grise Fiord one unit short for their school staff requirements next year. I understand that the Grise Fiord Co-op has sent a proposal to the Housing Corporation to build a small, new unit for lease, but they have been told there is no money available.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Need For Baffin Regional Director

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for High Arctic is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Barnabas .

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Need For Baffin Regional Director

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Mr. Speaker, the Grise Fiord Education Council are very concerned about this series of events. It seems like their hopes are raised and then they are disappointed. Mainly they are disappointed that even though grades have been added in the community and extra

teachers can be hired, the government cannot seem to provide housing for the new staff.

Continuing to borrow space in the nursing station, which is needed for visiting health personnel, is not acceptable.

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Need For Baffin Regional Director

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 540

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Tough Decisions In Times Of Fiscal Restraint

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I said before in this House, I believe when we all took on the task of becoming Members of this Legislative Assembly, we did so thinking of the ways and changes we could help bring about that would help the people of the NWT live better lives.

Mr. Speaker, it was with great difficulty that decisions were made through the business plans to reduce existing levels of programs and services. It was really hard to reduce the support to areas like cultural programs, income support, non-profit organizations, health boards and alcohol and drug treatment centres. What we tried to do in making the reductions was to encourage new ways of doing business, such as asking for a new approach to alcohol and drug treatment, which would make better use of the limited funds available while recognizing the need for intervention and prevention.

One of the hard things about being a Member and making the tough decisions is that no one notices when we add a bit more to a prevention program or a bit more to the housing. Unfortunately, the attention tends to focus on the unpopular decisions. We each have concerns in our constituencies which need to be addressed. There are also many opportunities we know about which could help this government in addressing problems which face the residents.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Congratulating Baker Lake And Arviat Graduates

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the interest of your request to economize our Member's statement, I will forgo my long dissertation. I will cut to the quick. Mr. Speaker, last weekend, I attended the high school graduation in Baker Lake. It was the first time the Baker Lake high school held a graduation and I would like to acknowledge the students who did graduate. They were Jeremy Ford; Janice Hilu-Scottie; Craig Simailak; Jamie Misheralak; Quentin Lahure; Christopher Iglookyouak; Abraham Iglookyouak; and, Paul Cook, junior.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize the students who will graduate this weekend in Arviat. They are Elaine Owlijoot; Elizabeth Issakaik; Ronald Suluk; Jimmy Main; and, Barney Kalluak.

Mr. Speaker, I am sure that my honourable colleagues with join me in congratulating these students and wish them only the best in the future, as they are the future leaders in Nunavut. Thank you. Matna.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Item 3, Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Reinstatement Of Public Speaking In The Classroom

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today I would like to suggest something to my colleagues that I have been thinking about. I thought it was an original idea, but since I have mentioned it to a few people, I found out that it is done in other jurisdictions in the country and probably other countries as well.

When most of us ran for public office and perhaps served in public office at a municipal level previous to this, when you talk to people, one of the big drawbacks they have about getting into public office is that they have a fear or an apprehension about speaking in public. I don't know about the rest of the Members, but when I was a student in school, we used to do public speaking as part of our curriculum. We had to stand up in front of the class and speak. For some time, I thought it would be good to initiate some program where we would reinstate a public speaking contest in the schools.

I have an idea of initiating a program whereby we could invite students, perhaps at the grade 7 level, to conduct a public speaking contest from each of the ridings and the winners of those public speaking contests could possibly be brought to Yellowknife and be given the honour of being an MLA for one day in the place of the sitting Members. It is something I want to pursue with the Members. It is an idea at this time. Perhaps if you got the cooperation of a business that could sponsor bringing them here and reintroduce the public speaking in the classroom. Thank you.

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Reinstatement Of Public Speaking In The Classroom

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Return To Question 277-13(3): GNWT Representative On Nanisivik Mines Monitoring Committee

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Barnabas on May 21st regarding a GNWT representative on Nanisivik Mines Monitoring Committee. Mr. Barnabas asked who will be representing the Government of the Northwest Territories on the Nanisivik Mines Monitoring Committee once the Baffin regional director's office is closed.

The deputy minister of Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources has served as a member of the Nanisivik Mines Monitoring Committee and will continue to serve as this government's representative on that committee.

The Baffin regional superintendent for Education, Culture and Employment will also be attending meetings of the monitoring committee scheduled for Arctic Bay this June. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Question 277-13(3): GNWT Representative On Nanisivik Mines Monitoring Committee

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Return To Question 257-13(3): Maintenance Of Staff Housing In Nanisivik

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Barnabas on May 21st regarding maintenance of staff housing in Nanisivik. Mr. Speaker, on May 17, 1996, Mr. Barnabas , Member for the High Arctic , asked an oral question about the plans for government staff housing in Nanisivik.

Mr. Speaker, the NWT Housing Corporation, through the Arctic Bay Housing Association, assumed maintenance responsibilities April 1, 1996, for GNWT-owned units. All of the GNWT units in Nanisivik, and throughout the NWT, are being offered for sale as per the Financial Management Board's decision to sell all GNWT-owned single detached units

Mr. Speaker, I have another return, if I may.

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Return To Question 204-13(3): Local Housing Organizations Funding

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, this is a return to a question asked by Mrs. Groenewegen on May 13, 1996, regarding local housing organizations funding.

Mr. Speaker, on May 13, 1996, Mrs. Groenewegen , Member for Hay River , asked an oral question about LHO funding. There is no direct connection between LHOs running a deficit and the economic condition of a community. The amount of rent people pay depends upon their family's income, therefore if local economic conditions take a downward turn and people's income falls, their rent is adjusted accordingly.

Any decrease in LHO rent revenue is adjusted in the following year. The experience of the corporation in these situations has indicated that these changes are minor with respect to the overall contribution to the community.

The $6 million in rent arrears is cumulative, created over a number of years. Adjustments for these arrears have been made in previous years. While these accounts are removed from the books of the LHOs, we continue to collect these outstanding arrears. Furthermore, with the block funding arrangements with the communities that I recently announced, there are additional incentives to collecting arrears. Thank you.

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Return To Question 204-13(3): Local Housing Organizations Funding

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Picco .

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Question 283-13(3): Rationale For Sale And Lease Of Staff Housing

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 541

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the current situation regarding staff housing and the government's move away has caused major concern in my riding and in other communities in the NWT. The units we are giving up leases on and those that were offered for sale, in many Gases our employees cannot either afford to purchase them or afford to rent from an owner on the open market. My question for the Minister of FMBS is have we fully looked into the ramifications of said sell-offs and lease terminations. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 541

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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Question 283-13(3): Rationale For Sale And Lease Of Staff Housing

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 541

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Let me deal with the issue twofold: one on selling the houses and, two, on the leases. It's the policy of this government to get out of staff housing. As part of our overall budget implementation strategy or deficit elimination strategy, that's one factor that has to be taken into consideration. We're going to continue to pursue a fairly aggressive approach to selling the remainder of the staff housing -- which I spoke about the other day, I believe -- which is somewhere around 560 units.

We are, of course, going to, as we have consistently done, encourage the tenants in that housing to purchase them. We will once again go out with a general call to each of the individual tenants asking them to purchase them.

I know there is some concern in Mr. Picco 's riding, particularly with respect to the leases. I believe there was a letter drafted from somebody in the Housing Corporation which I really think was an error more than anything else, and we are currently reviewing our whole lease policy right now. I believe the leases in question that Mr. Picco talks about are still in place on a month-to-month basis until such time as we've developed a comprehensive policy as it relates to leasing of units, not purchasing. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Supplementary To Question 283-13(3): Rationale For Sale And Lease Of Staff Housing

Question 283-13(3): Rationale For Sale And Lease Of Staff Housing

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 542

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the concern here is that many of our employees in staff housing are not making $70,000 or $80,000 a year and will not be able to afford to rent or purchase on the open market. Maybe some of them don't even want to get into home ownership. Thus my supplementary question for the Minister is have we developed a threshold of home ownership by dollar income, or a rental amount for same, for employees. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 542

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I want to differentiate between the selling of houses and the leasing of housing. Unless my numbers are incorrect -- and I think they are correct -- we believe that most tenants could afford to purchase housing. I would suggest, if I may be so bold, that they would be silly not to because these houses are given at well below the market value, in most cases. So we would encourage our staff to purchase these units because, in some cases, the purchasing and mortgage costs are actually less than the rental costs that they're currently paying.

On the lease arrangements, I concur with my colleague that there is a problem there, particularly with new construction and the cost of new construction and how the rents reflect that. We're going to have to take that into careful consideration and that's what we're doing at the present time. I'm trying as quickly as possible to try and find some reasonable solution to that so that everybody has the opportunity to have a roof over their heads at a reasonable cost and can continue to function in the civil service. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Question 283-13(3): Rationale For Sale And Lease Of Staff Housing

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 542

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate what Mr. Todd said about the leases, but if we're selling off 560 houses, the concern here is the mortgage. If you're just carrying the mortgage, that would be one situation. The problem we run into, Mr. Speaker, is I make a good salary. The lease cost, for example, for my lot in Iqaluit is over $3,000 a year -- $668 every three months -the O and M costs of running houses are cost-prohibitive to a lot of our employees.

Will these employees be eligible for social housing if they cannot afford home ownership or renting on the open market when they are discharged from that staff house unit? The problem being that our social housing units have a long waiting list at the present time; so where are these people going to go? My question to the Minister then is will he look at letting these employees -- who cannot either afford home ownership because the house is let, sold or if you don't have a place -- to stay in the unit?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 542

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This problem, I think, must be unique to the Baffin, Mr. Speaker, and perhaps Iqaluit. In my own riding and in other Members' ridings, we don't have any problem with people being able to purchase the houses at the prices that we've determined. But yes, we're sympathetic, and yes, if there are problems and if they are identifiable, we will certainly look at them on an individual basis. But the policy of this government is get out of staff housing.

As part of the deficit elimination strategy, we're projecting $15 million to $20 million, over a two-year period, of revenues derived from the selling of the 560 units. So it would be unfair for me not to say to my colleague that the policy is to continue to sell the staff housing, but we will certainly look at the individuals who are suffering, as Mr. Picco has alluded to. When he provides us with the detail of those people, we will examine it at that time. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 542

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate hearing that from the Minister and I will be receiving that information in the Hansard tomorrow and I'll be passing it on to the constituency. By selling off staff houses and ending leases, will we have houses for our needed staff when we do the recruitment in small communities? So if we don't have any more houses, we've sold them off, we've ended the leases in the smaller communities and our staff are needing houses in those communities, will we have the units available for said staff? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 542

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Let's be clear, Mr. Speaker, so he can also send this to his constituents in Hansard. We are not getting out of the northern lease arrangements that we have at the present time. We're re-examining them. I said earlier to another question that the letter written by the Housing Corporation district manager was in error and a miscommunication. We're going to continue -- and I've

spoken to some of the individuals who own these units in Mr. Picco 's riding -- to make lease arrangements with them. We're examining that. When we have a full policy statement to make on it, I'm prepared to discuss that with my honourable colleague. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 543

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Rabesca .

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Question 284-13(3): Criteria For Sale/purchase Of Staff Housing

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 543

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, my colleague, Mr. Krutko , asked the honourable Mr. Todd about the sale of government houses to the GNWT employees. The honourable Member may know that in Rae we have a very nice house that is one of the government's first homes in the community. The house has traditionally been used for the doctors who have lived in Rae. This house is now up for disposal. There are a number of GNWT employees in Rae who are interested in purchasing this unit. We have been told that there will be a priority list made of these staff members. Will the Minister please inform the House as to what criteria this will follow? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 543

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'm not familiar with the particulars of this one particular unit. I must apologize to the Member on not being able to respond to him today. I will take the question as notice and get back to him in the House tomorrow. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The question has been taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 285-13(3): Interaction Between Premier's Panel And Resource Management Committee

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 543

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the honourable Premier . In his discussions yesterday when he announced the establishment of a panel to look at economy and employment ... I fully support the initiative of the Premier for establishing that, but we have also established a system of committees within the Legislature in which I am the chairman of the Resource Management committee, which is also looking at the economic opportunities and the amalgamation of the departments of Energy, Mines and Resources, Economic Development and Tourism and Renewable Resources.

With regard to being responsible for that sector, as the chairman of the committee, I would like to ask the Premier if there is an appropriate time down the road, once he has a chance to sit down with this committee, that he can make a presentation to the Resource committee with his panel?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the start of this term of the 13th Assembly, we changed the way this

Legislative Assembly operates, we changed the committee structure so that committees and the Members on those committees are fully involved in the things this government does and in developing budgets. I also expect that Members of this committee, especially the chairperson and deputy chairperson, would be involved in this panel. That way, we would have open communication and the left hand will know what the right hand is doing and we'll move on. I expect that his committee would have involvement in this panel. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to thank the Premier for making that statement. The concern I have is that as a committee, as a whole, we are also looking at such subject matters which will affect how government does things, especially in relation to the other process we're under with regard to the amalgamation of the three departments and how that is going to change how we deliver programs and services with regard to Economic Development, Renewable Resources and Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources.

By amalgamating those three departments, there will probably be some effect on the recommendations that will come out of your committee and also on the committee that is overseeing that. I would like the opportunity to have the Premier 's panel to make a presentation to the committee once you have something to present.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be chairing this panel myself, so I have no problem at all with making a presentation to the committee at the appropriate time. Thank you.

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Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Erasmus .

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Question 286-13(3): Cbc Report On Possibility Of Civil Service Strike

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 543

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Finance . Yesterday there was a question directed to the Minister from Mr. Ningark that was in relation to the possibility of a strike. I have a letter from a constituent of mine who is concerned by the reporting on CBC which indicated that the honourable Minister of Finance had indicated that a public service strike is inevitable. I don't believe that's what was said, but it's on page 1190, at the bottom. Could the Minister of Finance please clarify what he had indicated in his response to the possibility of a strike?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did hear the news

article earlier this morning by a CBC announcer, where he had implied that we were advocating a strike. Nothing could be further from the truth. I think I make it clear yesterday that this government believes in the collective bargaining process, has made a sincere and conscious effort to negotiate with the union to reach an appropriate compromise where we all take our appropriate reductions. I think that's what we tried to conclude. Unfortunately, we couldn't come to an arrangement with the UNW, but both parties agreed that we would present our final offer and that the union would take it out to its membership.

I'm told and advised that the union will be going out. It's imminent that the union will go out with the final offer any day now. I'm also advised that they will be recommending to their membership to vote no. What I said was, if there is a no vote, it will then mean we have to go to mediation, which takes about 21 days. I want to make it clear that the offer we made to the union was a final one. There are no additional dollars other than what we brought to the table earlier last month.

A no vote, to me, means a strike vote. I think that would be unfortunate, but that's what it means to me and perhaps that's what my colleague's constituent was alluding to today. I think it's very important to explain to the public at large and to this House that this government is not advocating a strike. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, if I heard correctly, the Minister of Finance is indicating that, in actuality, voting no to this package would be voting in favour of a strike. Is that correct?

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just remembered the CBC reporter's name; Mr. Miller, I believe. Yes, in my

interpretation of the current situation, given the fact that I believe there is no other further window of fiscal opportunity to make any additional offer, a no vote, after 21 days of mediation, would ultimately lead to a strike situation which, again, I think is unfortunate. I do appreciate my colleague giving me the opportunity to clarify that today. Thank you.

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Question 287-13(3): Financial Assistance For Medical Students

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 544

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask a question of the Minister of Health and Social Services . There was an

article in the paper this week that there was burn-out at the health centres. I would just like to make reference to a couple of items and then pose a question. Nurses at the meeting said there is a lack of doctors in northern communities and that forces the health workers to carry out more responsibilities and more job stress.

I think we all know the need for good medical services in all the communities, and certainly in the regional centres -- and no doubt, there is difficulty attracting doctors to the North as it is, keeping doctors in Canada, because so many of them are being enticed and lured to the US because of the potential of making larger dollars and bigger research money available, et cetera, wherever they go. However, the Minister stated the government may be looking at subsidizing tuition for doctors in return for an agreement to work in the North when they finish medical school.

Personally, I think that's a tremendous incentive, and hopefully we can attract some people in the North in that way. I wonder if the Minister could tell us what he has in mind as a commitment and a contribution towards the doctors' fees to get through medical school.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as it stands now, it is just a preliminary investigation into the possibility of retaining physicians. We recognize that there's a shortage and a big demand throughout the Northwest Territories and we're competing with other jurisdictions for these services. It's just a preliminary look at some of the options that might be available to secure some of these physicians on a longer term basis, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. I can't remember the name of the doctor who came from New York and went to Alaska, and there's a TV program on that. While it's dramatized, the idea of such a program would be excellent. I would highly encourage the government to pursue it. I would like to know if the Minister could tell me what his process is from here, in following up on this idea.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it would be in discussions with the NWT Medical Association to get their points of view on what they would recommend. They could identify some of the problem areas that we could

try to resolve in trying to move this issue a bit further, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I also wonder, Mr. Speaker, certainly we want to encourage our northern students to be the first ones to take advantage of any such program, but there may be other areas where we need such expertise. I wonder if the Minister could tell us -hypothetically, in the medical field -if he would entertain such a process for not only doctors, but perhaps even nurses since we need nurses as well from the North.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are putting some effort into recruitment and training of nurses for our NWT health care system as it stands now. We're certainly open to any suggestions and any opportunities that can be identified and investigated as far as retaining any of our professional people for longer periods of time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 288-13(3): Replacement Generator For Iqaluit

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, yesterday, the Minister of NTPC updated this House concerning the loss of the generator in Iqaluit. He said that a replacement had been found in the deep south. Can the Minister inform this House when said generator will be in place and running in Iqaluit? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said yesterday, a used replacement has been purchased from a supplier in Texas and it is currently enroute. It will be in Yellowknife very shortly. NWT Air's Hercules has been chartered to fly the unit to Iqaluit by this Sunday. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, is this a new generator or a secondhand one?

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Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the unit is a used unit, but we're assured that it's in very good condition. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I understand that these generators aren't readily available. There are a lot of places now driven by hydroelectric power, as we know, and diesel generators are out. Do we have any type of warranty with this secondhand generator? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I'm not aware of there being a warranty on the unit, but I think that diesel-driven generators are not that uncommon. We have a lot of them in service in the North, and I think that work will have been done to ensure that the unit is serviceable and that we can expect a reasonable amount of life for the amount of dollars that we're spending on it. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I guess the dollar value, making sure that we get the most value for the dollar we spend ... What was the cost of this secondhand generator?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's above the credit limit on my credit card so I couldn't put it on that to get the warranty that you can sometimes get for 30 days. The total cost for replacing the generator, Mr. Speaker, is estimated to be at around $300,000.

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Whew!!

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

This will not, by the way, affect rates for Iqaluit customers. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 289-13(3): Responsibility For Maintenance Of NWT Highways

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier and it's in relation to the document that the Minister of Transportation referred to today in his Minister's statement. I think there are some very good points in this six-point strategy. A lot of it requires the cooperation of the federal government for input. It states, for example on the highway program, it requires the cooperation of other stakeholders, but certainly the federal government is the principal one because they are the one who will presumably provide the dollars.

One of the areas of concern I have is, for example, the Mackenzie Highway is being used right now by a lot of the trucking firms shipping materials to the potential new mine sites that will be developed here. Hence, there is a lot of usage and a lot of wear and tear on our highways. The federal government is the one that's going to be the beneficiary of those mines, from a royalty factor, to the tune of around 14 per cent of every dollar produced. If we get one or two mines going, that could contribute in excess of $100 million a year.

However, we, as a territorial government, are paying for the wear and tear on our highways. I wonder if the Premier could tell us if he will bring this to the attention of the federal Minister and also have the Minister of Transportation discuss it with the Minister of Transportation on the federal side.

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Maintenance Of NWT Highways

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's my understanding that we have a good working relationship with the federal government, between the Minister of Transportation and the Minister of Transportation . I'll make sure that the Minister of Transportation raises your concern when he next meets with his counterpart, and I will also raise that concern as a whole strategy or part of the strategy of developing the northern accord. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you. At one time, the federal government had a roads-to-resources policy. Could the Minister tell me if that is still in existence or if that is no longer in existence, because it involved programs such as new highway construction and development of the Mackenzie Highway?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Our government also has a transportation strategy in place and is being updated now through the Minister of Transportation .

I'm sure that he will share it with the Members once he has it updated to reflect this new government's direction. I also understand that there was a strategy from the federal government; roads to resources. I'm sure Mr. Ootes would know about that. That's way before my time.

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I'm sure we could look into that, as well. But I've heard about that from old-timers in the North, so I will take a look at that. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I would like to carry on with a question, but let me just

preamble that with a short statement, if I may. There was a program called "hire north,' which was extremely successful and it worked from Fort Simpson up towards Wrigley. That program contributed tremendously to the employment. I guess my question to the Minister would be, how old does he think I am.

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Don Morin

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I know for sure that he's older than myself. I can vaguely remember the work north, was it called?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Hire north? It was called 'work north" first, when the late Rudy Steiner first ran it in Hay River, then it went to "hire north." That was an excellent program. We do have more heavy equipment operators trained, per capita, than any other place in Canada, I believe. Hopefully that will start to pay off with mining development now. Any opportunity that we do have to extend the Mackenzie Valley Highway up to Tuktoyaktuk, that would be the proper approach to use; use northerners to build it, do training programs and try to get the best bang for the dollar. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Mr. O'Brien .

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Page 546

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Report On Bills 7 , 10 And 12

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Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

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Page 546

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Mr. Speaker, I wish to report to the Assembly that the Standing Committee on Government Operations has reviewed Bills 7 , 10 and 12 , and wish to report that Bill 7,

An Act to Amend the Workers' Compensation Act , and Bill

12, Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, No. 2, are now ready for Committee of the Whole. Further, Mr. Speaker, that Bill 10, Budget Measures Implementation Act, 1996-97 , is now ready for Committee of the Whole as amended and reprinted. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to table the following document: Tabled Document 52-13(3), Nunavut Comprehensive Land Claim Agreement Interim Implementation Measures,

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I also wish to table Tabled Document 53-13(3), Report of the Auditor General of Canada that deals with other matters arising from the audit of the accounts and financial statements of the Government of the Northwest Territories for the year ended March 31, 1995.

Item 13, tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Mr. Ng .

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Bill 14: Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act, No. 3

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Page 547

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I give notice that on Friday, May 24, 1996, I will move that Bill 14, Legislative Assembly and Executive Council Act, No. 3, be read for the first time. Thank you.

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Page 547

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in Committee of the Whole of bills and other matters: Bill 8,

An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act ; Bill 11, Appropriation Act, 1996-97 ; Committee Report 1-13(3), Standing Committee on Government Operations Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates; Committee Report 2-13(3), Standing Committee on Infrastructure Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates; Committee Report 3-13(3), Standing Committee on Resource Management and Development Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates; Committee Report 4-13(3), Standing Committee on Social Programs Report on the Review of the 1996-97 Main Estimates; and, Tabled Document 1-13(3), Report of the Commission on MLA Compensation, with Mr. Steen in the chair.

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

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Page 547

The Chair

Vince Steen

I will call the committee to order. Perhaps someone could give me some indication as to how you wish to proceed. Mr. Ootes . Mr. Erasmus .

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Page 547

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We will continue the departmental review of Bill 11, Appropriation Act, 1996-97. We were doing the Department of Justice with Mr. Ng . We would like to continue with that.

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Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Erasmus . Does the committee agree?

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Vince Steen

Very well. If the committee concurs, we'll take a short break while we organize the witnesses.

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We'll take a five-minute recess.

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Vince Steen

I would like to call the committee to order again. Yesterday, we left off on the committee's comments on the department. I will now invite the Minister to bring in witnesses, if he likes. Mr. Ng , would you like to bring in witnesses?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Yes, Mr. Chairman.

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I would ask the Minister to introduce his witnesses, please.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To my immediate left is Don Cooper, deputy minister; to my right, Louise Dundas Matthews, director of financial management services; and, to the far right, Nora Sanders, assistant deputy minister. Thank you.

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The Chair

Vince Steen

Welcome to the committee. I now open the floor to general comments. Mr. Enuaraq .

General Comments

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Yesterday, when you first started with your department, you had opening remarks with regard to the Department of Justice. The Minister indicated that in June, they will have 24 special constables going to Regina. I wonder if the bylaw officers are included from the Baffin region. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, all 24 of those people are by-law officers. I don't know if I have the breakdown. Sorry. The final list hasn't been done yet as to where they are going to be coming from, but they are by-law officers for upgrade training.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It indicates in the policy for anyone who is going to be incarcerated, they can no longer be in jail for more than 90 days in the community. Then there are matters where people who are going to get arrested are arrested on the weekend and are able to get out in the week. When this happens in the community, it becomes very expensive. I wonder if this type of thing has been considered. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Chairman, could I ask the honourable Member to repeat his question?

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Mr. Enuaraq , could you repeat the question?

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I was going to say that under the Criminal Code of Canada if the accused is given not less than 90 days for their sentence, it can be called an intermittent sentence. When the intermittent sentence is served in the community, for example, on the weekends only, the cost of the sentence can be very expensive and tiring in small communities. I was asking the Minister if he has looked into this matter. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Chairman, we have no say in what the judge sentences people. We try to work within the parameters of the system we are allowed. We would treat people in smaller communities who have intermittent sentences, no differently than those who are in larger centres; given that, we recognize it is a higher-cost form of incarceration as it stands now. That is one of the issues we are looking at through the community justice initiative for the future. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Minister indicated that a lot of the correctional facilities are overcrowded and there have to be some additions made to them. I am wondering if the Minister can indicate that, instead of making correctional facilities bigger, have they considered if it would be better to make the correctional facility smaller instead? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97 Department Of Justice

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The proposed capital estimates is not for expanding any of the correctional facilities in existence, but to upgrade them and bring them up to an acceptable level. In some cases, particularly in the Baffin situation, it was made as a minimum secure facility and over time, it has progressed where they are holding more medium to high-risk offenders in a minimum facility that wasn't designed to hold those types of offenders on a short-term basis. It is to rectify some of those deficiencies that are there. We don't intend to make any of these facilities smaller because of the demand and the overcrowding that we have now, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am also concerned about legal aid. We do get support through legal aid. It is a very slow process in the smaller communities, especially if a person can't afford a lawyer. I am asking if we can get more support through legal aid so that it could go faster. Thank you.

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