Debates of Feb. 14th, 1997

This is page numbers 635 - 660 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Heritage Day In Canada

Flag-raising Ceremony

Congratulations To Mr. Kakfwi On His Aboriginal Achievement Award

Valentine's Day Wishes

Senior's Fuel Subsidy

Valentine's Day Wishes

Aklavik Alcohol And Drug Facility

Valentine's Day Wishes

Preparations For Nunavut

Passing Of Baker Lake Resident Joshua Amitnak

Archaic Government Policies

Valentine's Day Wishes

Senior's Fuel Subsidy

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Government Policies

Question 320-13(4) Seniors' Fuel Subsidy

Question 321-13(4)aklavik Alcohol And Drug Facility

Negotiated Contracts

Vacant Clyde River Health Centre

General Hunting License Application

Negotiated Contracts

Plan For Western Constitutional Development

Staffing The Nunavut Government

Housing Maintenance In Nanisivik

Policy On Negotiated Contracts

Ministers' Attendance During Question Period

Need For A Western Constitution

Item 8: Returns To Written Questions

Bill 12:

An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Recommendation To Redistribute $2 Million To Gravel Runway Projects In Smaller Communities

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Tribute To Ed Picco

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Samuel Gargan , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

---O Canada

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Members. Good morning. Item 2: Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 48-13(4): Heritage Day In Canada

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Mr. Speaker, Monday is Heritage Day. People from across Canada have chosen February 17th to celebrate our historical and cultural foundation, and to reflect upon how we can pass along our heritage to future generations.

The Heritage Canada Foundation co-ordinates Heritage Day activities across Canada. Nationally, this year's theme centres around the 500th anniversary of the landing of John Cabot in Newfoundland.

In the Northwest Territories, most local organizations have selected themes and activities which are more appropriate to their communities. For instance, the Northern Life Museum in Fort Smith is showing several exhibits, including one on noted opthamologist, Dr. Elizabeth Cass, who is well-known to an older generation of northerners.

The Fort Simpson Historical Society is using Heritage Day to promote its fund-raising efforts to purchase and preserve the McPherson House, which is an historical property. The Heritage Canada Foundation will soon feature the society's efforts in a forthcoming edition of its national magazine.

The Norman Wells Historical Centre is working with schools in the Sahtu region to promote an awareness of heritage. Its parent organization, the Norman Wells Historical Society, is celebrating its 20th anniversary this year, beginning with Heritage Day.

On Sunday, the museum in Iqaluit will be showing films on traditional Inuit life.

In Baker Lake, Heritage Day finds the community well along in its plans to have a new museum open to the public this summer.

The City of Yellowknife Heritage Committee is promoting some of its activities, including the announcement of an annual Heritage Award in its monthly newsletter.

Mr. Speaker, our ties to our culture and heritage are strong here in the North. These ties give us a sense of identity and community and help to give us confidence in our future. Heritage Day gives us all an opportunity to look to our past to help us meet the challenges of the future. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 48-13(4): Heritage Day In Canada

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Minister's Statement 49-13(4): Flag-raising Ceremony

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, this year marks the 50th anniversary of the Canadian Citizenship Act. When the federal Act came into force on January 1, 1947, it meant that citizens of this country were no longer British subjects. It meant married women could apply for Canadian citizenship in their own right and the Act led to the creation of a true Canadian passport.

As part of Canadians' appreciation of this special anniversary, February 10th to 17th has been designated as "Canada - Take It to Heart Week." It offers an opportunity to celebrate our country's citizenship, symbols and heritage.

One of Canada's most widely recognized symbols is the flag. The National Flag of Canada was first raised on Parliament Hill at noon on February 15, 1965 by Prime Minister Lester Pearson. The central red maple leaf is known and respected around the world. It is a tribute to our international reputation.

In a land that is so huge, so culturally and geographically diverse, the Canadian flag is one of the things that brings us together as a nation of peoples. It inspires a feeling of pride, a sense of belonging and respect.

In recognition of this national symbol, I invite Members and the public to join me in a flag-raising ceremony at the front of the Legislative Assembly at noon today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 49-13(4): Flag-raising Ceremony

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Congratulations To Mr. Kakfwi On His Aboriginal Achievement Award

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, Mr. Speaker. Today, I rise to offer congratulations on behalf of the Ordinary Members to our colleague across the Chamber, Mr. Kakfwi . As you all know, Mr. Kakfwi was the recipient of a National Aboriginal Achievement Award at a ceremony in Calgary last weekend.

---Applause

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Congratulations To Mr. Kakfwi On His Aboriginal Achievement Award

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

The Native Arts Foundation recognized the Member for the Sahtu for his commitment and endless work in furthering and protecting the rights of aboriginal people and all people in the Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, we all know of Mr. Kakfwi 's strong advocacy work and the passion he shows when it comes to advancing the interests of the people of the Northwest Territories. I had the opportunity, as I am sure many other Members did last night, to watch the television coverage of the National Aboriginal Award's ceremony. It was with a great deal of pride that we saw Mr. Kakfwi being recognized.

It was moving to see Mr. Kakfwi who is, coincidentally, or I should mention dressed in his northern aboriginal dress which was very moving for us, and to be recognized for his years of work in promoting the north, aboriginal people and northerners. Congratulations to the honourable Member.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Valentine's Day Wishes

Item 3: Members' Statements

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today, as all Members know, is one day of the year that all people in love across the world recognize their love for their lifelong partners. Today, of course, being Valentine's Day, over the years my wife has been a strong supporter of all my endeavours and I feel the need to have the recognition of her hard work and dedication to our family. With this in mind, I would like to wish my loving wife, and all the women across this great country of ours, a very Happy Valentine's Day. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Rabesca . Members' statements. Mr. Enuaraq .

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning, honourable Members. Mr. Speaker, this morning since it is Valentine's Day, I also would like to wish my wife, Elisapee, and all of my kids, especially the two in Clyde River, my two daughters, Janet and Valerie, I wish them a very good and Happy Valentine's Day. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Senior's Fuel Subsidy

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, Valentine's Day is a very special day. It is symbolized by the heart. It is a time and a day that we take a little bit of extra care and time to show other people that we cherish and love what they mean to us. People that fall into the category, Mr. Speaker, are our elders. The people that have brought us into this world and have helped build this fine land, our parents and our grandparents. Mr. Speaker, I employ the Cabinet; no, I beseech them to show the people of the north that they have a heart. A heart filled, as Mr. Todd has said so many times, with compassion.

Mr. Speaker, I turn to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment and I ask him to show that beneath that fine suit beats a noble, caring heart. I ask him to stand today and say unequivocally and clearly that yes, the fuel subsidy program will be in the budget, and that yes, he will be the valentine for the elders today. Thank you.

---Laughter

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Members' statements. Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will be speaking, in Inuktitut. I am also very happy today because it is Valentine's Day. I would like to wish Happy Valentine's to my wife in Arctic Bay, as well as to my relatives who are in Baker Lake and to all of my relatives throughout the communities in the Northwest Territories. As well, I want to wish Happy Valentine's to my colleagues here. I would like to thank you, Mr. Speaker. Happy Valentine's. (Translation ends.)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Barnabas . Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I did not celebrate Valentine's Day when I was a child, but today I know about Valentine's Day and I am happy it is Valentine's Day today. I want to wish Happy Valentine's to my relatives who are here, my wife and my son. I would like to wish Happy Valentine's Day to my relatives back home, and to all the people in Igloolik, particularly to people in Pond Inlet. I want to wish Happy Valentine's Day to other people in the communities as well.

Another sad issue that I would like to share with you. There has been a death in one of the communities. I would like to say that I feel for you. As well, I want to say Happy Valentine's Day to the Member for Hay River . I want to send my condolences to the Member of Hay River , in particular. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends.)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Aklavik Alcohol And Drug Facility

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too would like to wish everyone out there a Happy Valentine's Day.

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Aklavik Alcohol And Drug Facility

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

My statement today is in regards to the community empowerment initiatives that this government is presently under, especially with the axe cutting process that we are going through, especially with alcohol and drug programs, the closure of Delta House and the problems with the Tl'oondih Healing Centre, in relation to the services that we are going to deliver in the communities, in regards to the resources that the communities will have to operate with, and the facilities that they presently operate in.

In the case of the Aklavik Alcohol Action Committee, they have been renting a unit off the government of the Northwest Territories for ten years, which is currently the alcohol and drug office and also the facility where people go for treatment.

As far as empowering communities, we also have to allow the communities to have the facilities, the operation and maintenance funds and also the training to ensure that they have the proper resources in place. With that, I will be asking the Minister regarding a letter I have received from the Alcohol Action Committee and the mayor of Aklavik to try to find ways to allow the Alcohol Action Committee in Aklavik to continue to maintain and operate this facility which has been identified for sale by public tender.

At the appropriate time, I will be asking the Minister a question on this and if there is a possibility of allowing them to continue to operate and maintain that facility for alcohol treatment in Aklavik. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Krutko . Members' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since today is Valentine's Day, I would like to thank and recognize my greatest supporter, my husband Tom, for letting me do my job without ever feeling guilty for not coming home for weeks at a time. Thank you, Tom, for being there with the boys, cooking meals, doing laundry and keeping the house clean and also making sure the boys finish their homework. I am very proud to have a partner who is so willing to take on so many responsibilities. To me, Mr. Speaker, this is an example of equality, a partner who is willing to share responsibility.

Mr. Speaker, to do our jobs effectively, we all need this type of support. On this special day, I would like to thank all those who have taken on extra responsibility so that their partners can do their jobs. (Translation) I would like to talk to my boys in Inuktitut. They understand the Inuktitut language so Trevor, if you are listening, I love you. I would also like to show my love to my little boy, the younger boy. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Ms. Thompson . Members' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Preparations For Nunavut

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. First I would like to say Happy Valentine's Day to Dorothy and my three little ones at home. Mr. Speaker, my statement today is on the ongoing work in Nunavut. Mr. Speaker, as the day when the territory of Nunavut will become a reality draws nearer, the enormity of the tasks before us grows larger. The gap between what is expected from the new government closer to home and what is actually achievable in the time allowed, will be a great challenge to say the least. This is especially due to the amount of social, economic and educational challenges before us, coupled with the fiscal problems that our government faces today.

Having said that, Mr. Speaker, I see no shortage of will and energy amongst the people of Nunavut in meeting the goals and obligations of this great dream of our own government, north of the treeline. I was only 12 years old, Mr. Speaker, when I first started hearing of this great plan to one day have a government situated in Inuit homelands and controlled by our own people. At the time and to this date, to some extent, the residents of Nunavut were promised a turning point when the new government came, bringing more jobs, fewer problems, better housing, less social problems and more control.

Many of these important goals are still achievable and will be achieved, to some extent, with the onset of a government closer to home, speaking the language of the majority and more control of government programs by the people.

As I said, Mr. Speaker, it will be a good challenge. This will be for a variety of reasons, the amount of money available for start-up and for ongoing operations; and the need for skills of our people required initially to take government jobs; the social problems; and the fact that expectations may have been raised to unreasonable levels.

One area that I feel a sense of responsibility to speak out on today, Mr. Speaker, is a lack of unity amongst the main groups charged with the building of Nunavut. For various reasons, the leadership of Nunavut has become increasingly divided in the last few years. It was less than two years ago that I became an MLA with the greatest intentions of making things work. Like other Nunavut leaders, I have tried not to stray from that course, but too often individual concerns, priorities and agendas are threatening our focus on the plan for Nunavut. We cannot afford to be divided at this time.

As in the past, when faced with major challenges or threats, we can survive and prosper only if we set aside differences and work together. I am appealing to all for us to sit back, reflect on our actions and choose a path that reflects cooperation, not competition, solidarity, not division and, most importantly, achieve our dream for Nunavut. All the leaders, including myself, need to reflect on our actions and positions today and how that will have an effect on the ongoing work required to reach our goals.

It is also my view, Mr. Speaker, that the largest print media in Nunavut, the Nunatsiaq News, also needs to reflect on the role it has played in constantly highlighting and fuelling the fires of disagreements between Nunavut leaders over the last few years. Also, once again Mr. Speaker, I call upon the GNWT, all MLAs, NTI and the federal government, to rise above their differences to ensure that the progress made to date is not jeopardized. Finally, Mr. Speaker, I also call upon the NIC to assist us in making a smooth transition from planning for implementation to actual implementation along with an interim commissioner. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . I do not know if you went over the two and a half minutes. It was not timed, but I want to apologize to the rest of the Members who might have thought you went beyond the time. Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Passing Of Baker Lake Resident Joshua Amitnak

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I know it is Valentine's Day and I wish I could report good news but, unfortunately, it is regrettable that I must inform this House of another tragic death in the Hamlet of Baker Lake. Mr. Speaker, a young man by the name of Joshua Amitnak perished in a blizzard yesterday while on the land. Mr. Amitnak leaves behind a young family. Mr. Speaker, I am sure yourself and other Members of this House, will join me in offering their sincere condolences to Joshua's family in their time of most need. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Passing Of Baker Lake Resident Joshua Amitnak

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. O'Brien . Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Archaic Government Policies

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, everyone has rules they follow. Some are laws of the land, others are personal rules. Governments also have rules. These rules come in different forms, laws, policies and guidelines. When something is important to a government, they will create a policy. Policies are supposed to give direction and purpose. They make sure everyone in government is paddling in the same direction, as the Premier has said. This government has many policies covering many different areas, such as protection of the environment, affirmative action, economic development, the Business Incentive Policy and privatization. They publish these policies for all to read.

Over the past few days, I have asked questions on the privatization policy. The answers have disturbed me. It seems we only follow the policies when we want to. It was suggested that some of the policies on the books are outdated. If they are outdated, they should be removed from the public record or revised. We are dealing with people's lives, their futures. We need some clear policy direction to guide government staff in some of these very important initiatives.

Mr. Speaker, as I have said before, a goal without a strategy is just a slogan, and policies without direction are lost within that void known as the policy book. On this Valentine's Day, let us follow the policy of love for family and friends, and for love's sake, get some good policies on the books.

(Translation) I would like to wish my wife and my children a Happy Valentine's Day. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I wear my happy tie because I get to go home. I get to spend some time with my family whom I dearly miss and I get to wish them in person the Happy Valentine they deserve. As Ms. Thompson has put it so eloquently about caring for those who take

part in our lives and who take the place of our spaces in what we do back home. I know, at times, my wife must think that she is a single woman raising four children. She has had to do many things that I used to do at home. I hope this weekend, when I go home, I can fit back into the role of being a father and a husband, and not just a leader for the community of Inuvik in voicing their concerns. I think it is important for us, as individuals, as fathers and mothers and children of our own parents, that we go and spend time with our families the way we used to before we became so entangled in government and politics.

Mr. Speaker, I think you said it before. From time to time, we need to get away from the paper work, to get away from the meetings and take some time to once again try and feel human. To take

part in activities that are dear to all of us, I am sure, in sharing activities with our families. I hope that this weekend I will try not to have too many meetings while I am home and spend as much time as possible with my children. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 638

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Roland . Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Senior's Fuel Subsidy

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 638

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I too would like to wish a Happy Valentine's Day to everyone in the Northwest Territories and to my family, especially my wife, my sons and my mother, who was kind enough to forgive me for being late for my birthday cake the other evening.

Mr. Speaker, I would never hope to match that silver-tongued framer of phrases, Mr. Miltenberger , but we do know that Mr. Dent has caused discontent. But a new budget is a chance for a new start. I implore Mr. Dent to have a heart and to rise on Valentine's Day and say okay to the seniors' fuel subsidy.

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Samuel Gargan

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Thomas Weshack from Pelly Bay. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Ms. Pat Thomas of the NWTTA. I wish all the teachers out there a very Happy Valentine's Day. We missed you in the House, you have not been here in a couple of days. Welcome back.

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Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize today an old friend. Members who have served a few terms in this Assembly know his face well and new Members will get to know him quite well. Mr. Graham White.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 319-13(4): Government Policies

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 639

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, following up on my earlier statement, I have a question for the Premier . Mr. Speaker, the government polishes and publishes and maintains a list of policies. These policies are available in electronic and written form. Some of these policies have been in place for a long time. This is not the problem. Policies give overall direction, and like laws, they should be written to stand the test of time. My question to the Premier is, can the Premier confirm that all the policies currently listed under the GNWT policy listing are valid. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Premier .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All policies that are on the books of the Government of the Northwest Territories, that have not been struck by Cabinet direction off the books, are valid. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, following up on that answer, has this government reviewed the policies to ensure that they are actually consistent with the directions and priorities set by this Assembly?. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Members are aware, and we have talked about it previously in this Legislative Assembly as well as to Members at other committee meetings, we have committed already to review existing policies of Government of the Northwest Territories as well as regulations. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 639

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my supplementary question then would be why as a government have we proceeded with major initiatives without establishing clearer policies first to provide the framework for actions? My question leads into the, for example the privatization policy, that the only one I can find in the books, the only one anyone can show me, is from 1985. Why are we continuing with these policies if we are using policies from 1985 that, in the House we say are redundant, but then we quote from them? Why is this?

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Member is fully aware, we, as a government, have moved ahead on privatization initiatives with the support of the majority of Members of the Legislative Assembly of this House, and their initiatives of this government. It is very clear to the framework set out within that initiative to see what the end product will be. As far as my understanding goes, it is very clear that we have not went against any policy of this government by doing that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have not said that we have gone against any policy. I am not trying to imply that. All I am saying is no, I am going to be very statesmen-like, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, all I am asking is when will the Cabinet, when will the Executive Council, when will the Premier come up with a policy to guide the current privatization initiatives of this government, so that we can look at it and see which way we are going. When is he going to do

that?. When is he going to come up with a policy for privatization for 1997 and beyond, and not go back to 1985 which some of the Ministers said was 12 years old? When are we going to come up with a new policy?. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Page 640

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have already made a commitment in this House that we will be reviewing policies and regulations of this government starting in April of this year and that work will be ongoing. This specific policy, we will take a look at it and we will review and amend it, whatever it takes to make it better reflect 1997. We will do that by June. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 320-13(4) Seniors' Fuel Subsidy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 640

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to give an opportunity to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , to clear the air and relieve the high levels of anxiety and frustration that are currently surrounding the fate of the fuel subsidy program. To show that, as a Member of Cabinet, they do, through him, have a heart. It is filled with compassion and that he can demonstrate his noble and compassionate nature by standing up today to say very clearly to all the people waiting by their wood stoves and furnaces with the fuel running low, that in fact there will be a fuel subsidy program.

They will not have to fear. The Minister has heard their concerns. Can the Minister give that commitment? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 640

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to confirm that I do in fact have a heart. Mr. Speaker, I have said on more than one occasion this week, that I am committed to working with the standing committee, the Seniors' Advisory Council and Members of this House, on redesigning the program reflecting on the fiscal realities that we face. I can say that we are definitely working to ensure that all is done to make the program available to seniors in the next year.

I would point out that the program for most seniors would be winding down now, because most seniors put their claims in for the program early in the year. We are talking about a program where the demands will most likely come starting next September. The budget starts April 1, 1997/98. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. In order to address a question to a Minister, you have to direct your question to that Minister. The Minister cannot step outside his role to respond to a responsibility that he holds. I can not rule the question in order. Could you rephrase your question please?

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Michael Miltenberger

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Dent .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 640

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is my intention to do all that I can to warm the hearts of seniors, the Seniors' Advisory Council and the Members of the standing committee. I can not commit to do anything until my budget is approved, of course, because I do not have the funds to spend. I have committed to look for areas of savings within the budget once it is approved and to dedicate those funds to ensuring this program continues. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 640

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker. Thank you very much. Unfortunately the only that is getting heated is the air in this Chamber. The Minister is being needlessly evasive. He is being all that he can. Will the Minister commit once his budget is passed that yes, even though the fuel subsidy is not in the budget, that he will commit to the people of the NWT, to the needy elders, that the program will be continued? With a $280 million budget he will make it happen given his noble, caring heart and his ability to handle fiscal matters with the astute way that he has demonstrated. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, Mr. Speaker, perhaps we should install a device to collect the hot air and use that to heat seniors' homes. I believe that the Member is asking me a question which I have already answered. I have said that I will do everything to ensure that the program is there. It is obviously too late to reprint the budget book. It is too late to address those changes now. The

department needs some time in order to rework areas of expenditure in the coming year, to ensure that we can find the monies to deliver that program. I will restate the commitment, that I will work with the standing committee, the Seniors' Advisory Council, my partners on Cabinet, and especially in the social envelope, to ensure that we have something to warm the hearts of seniors in the fall. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Again, to remind the Members in regard to questions, the question must not repeat an earlier question which was answered, taken as notice, or to which an answer was refused at that siting. To remind the Members. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 321-13(4)aklavik Alcohol And Drug Facility

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 641

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Public Works , in regards to the privatization of units and also selling off of government assets in regards to housing. In regards to a housing unit in Aklavik, housing unit number 37(007), presently it is being occupied by the Aklavik Alcohol Action Committee to deliver the alcohol and drug program for the last ten years. I would like to ask the Minister if it is possible that this unit be given to the Alcohol and Drug Committee to use and continue to operate as an alcohol and drug facility for Aklavik.

I would like to ask the Minister if he is willing to look at that and see if there is a possibility of allowing that to happen? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 641

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker. There are a couple ways that the government disposes of assets. One is through the sale of assets, which is an area that the department is looking at all over the NWT, what assets we may have available for possible sale, and the other is when a department declares assets, like a building surplus, in which case the Department of Public Works and Services is asked to dispose of it, either through a sale or in some cases we have random claim contributions. I received the letter yesterday that the Member refers to. I have not had a the chance to look at it with the department, but I will do that.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In regards to timing of getting back to the Aklavik Alcohol Action Committee, I believe this has been in the works for several months now, and I would like to know from the Minister, how soon can he get back to myself and also to reach the Alcohol Committee in Aklavik, so we can put them at ease in regards to the present status of the building that they rent?

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I have asked the department for a briefing on the matter. As the Member knows, some of us will be gone over the weekend to Cambridge Bay. I would be willing to share the briefing information with the Member in the middle of next week.

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Question 322-13(4): Negotiated Contracts

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question today will be directed to the Premier of this government. Yesterday, we heard questions and concerns raised on negotiated contracts. Mr. Speaker, I believe that negotiated contracts have a time and a place. They do help companies start in communities that have little competition. In the community of Inuvik, negotiated contracts have negatively impacted on long-time northern companies, as well as aboriginal-owned companies. I would like to know from the Premier if this government has a policy that would deal with negotiated contracts in respect to the land claim groups? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As far as a policy goes on negotiated contracts, the Department of Transportation does have a policy on negotiated contracts. Cabinet does have negotiated contract guidelines. In order to negotiate a contract in a community, you have to have the support of the people of that community, you have to have 100 percent northern involvement, and it has to benefit local people. Those are the guidelines in negotiating a contract in the communities. There are ones as well that come in on budget and on time.

A negotiated contract is where the government sits down and facilitates it with the community people or the development corporations. The majority of them are development corporations. If you sub-tender any part of that negotiated contract, for example, if you have three trucking companies in a community to haul gravel, then you have to get prices from all three trucking companies. That is how negotiated contracts are done. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Premier inform us if this government is aware that the land claims agreements that are out there state that this government shall negotiate contracts with them? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. From what I understand of existing claims that are in place, the Nunavut Agreement, the Sahtu Comprehensive Claim, the Gwich'in claim, as well as the Inuvialuit claim, is that, in no place in those claims do they say that this government has to negotiate contracts with those groups. Thank you.

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Question 323-13(4): Vacant Clyde River Health Centre

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Health and Social Services , the Honourable Mr. Ng . Last year, in 1996, we opened a nursing station in Clyde River and I appreciate this very much. The old nursing station that is in Clyde River is not being used right now. It is vacant. The question I have to the Minister of Health and Social Services is, I would like to know what is going to happen to that old nursing station that is vacant? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am aware that a local group wants to obtain possession of the building for a community resource centre, a support centre for families in the community. We have been trying to work with them in trying to put together a proposal to facilitate obtaining the old health centre, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary question. The buildings, when they are vacant for a long period of time, start to deteriorate. I would like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services to answer that question. (Translation ends)

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Sorry, Mr. Speaker. I did not catch the full question from the translation.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

(Translation) When can I get a direct answer to the question that I asked? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The question that I asked the Minister concerned the old health centre. It may just deteriorate when it is not being used. I am asking the Minister, can you let me know when we can take over that old health centre? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I appreciate the honourable Member clarifying it for me. What we are doing, Mr. Speaker, there is a Financial Management

Board submission that was just recently signed off by myself, that will be going to the Financial Management Board to deal with this matter in order to have the facility turnover facilitated. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the course of this week I have had a couple of my constituents bring concerns to me regarding the applications for general hunting licenses. These individuals were members of Treaty 11 and have supplied all the necessary requirements to ensure speedy processing. These applications were submitted in December, 1996 or the first part of January, 1997. It has been at least a month since the applications were submitted. After calling to find out what is taking so long to get their general hunting licenses, the residents were told that it would take at least eight months to process.

It seems to be an extra long period of time for something of this nature, considering one can pay the nominal fee for a regular hunting license and get it the same day. The same goes for your driver's license and most other permits that a person can get. My question to the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development is, why does this process take so long? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I am not certain of that, so I will have to take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Thank you. The question is taken as notice. Oral questions. Mr. Krutko .

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Question 325-13(4): Negotiated Contracts

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Premier in regards to negotiated contracts. I would like this House to know that I support negotiated contracts, especially in my constituency. As a member of that constituency, I would like to make that clear. I would like to ask the Premier a question in regards to negotiated contracts. Under claims agreements, such as the Inuvialuit and the Gwich'in, there is an economic

section which clearly states that there has to be economic opportunities given to those groups, no different than any other groups in the country. The Inuvialuit have had a claim for several years, in which that practise has been done. Also there has to be an account of lands or resources that are owned by that group in which, if the government is going to use or take those resources, they have to work out an economic agreement. I would like to ask the Premier , is he aware of that

section of the agreement?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not aware of that

section of the agreement, word for word. But I know that, on certain parts of those agreements, our government does have some slight disagreements with aboriginal groups on the legal text and what that legal text means. At this time, what I would say is that, in Mr. Krutko 's riding, we have negotiated quite a number of contracts. It was to the betterment of this government that we did do that. We got the job done and we got it done on time. We got the job done on budget. The Gwich'in people did excellent work on those contracts. They hired north and they fulfilled their part. So, we will continue to work with those Gwich'in people in that area on negotiated contracts as well. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In regard to the smaller ridings, such as the three communities I represent, Tsiigehtchic, Fort McPherson and Aklavik, where we have a large unemployment rate, most of these projects are the only economic opportunities we have. Without these negotiated contracts to those communities, without being eaten up by larger centres as Yellowknife and Inuvik, I do not think we would have the opportunity to negotiate those contracts.

I think there should be a policy in place to ensure there is economic stability in those ridings which have a large unemployment rate, to continue to sustain this work and the resources and just leave that money in the communities. I would ask the Premier to ensure that there are those kind of protection mechanisms for those constituents and the communities who have a large unemployment rate.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. That is one of the main reasons that this government does negotiate contracts and a fundamental principle is that we believe it is good government. If you are going to spend $100,000, $200,000, a million dollars, in a constituency or in a small community, the majority of that money, as much as possible, should stay there. The best way of doing that is to negotiate the contracts with those organizations in the community or businesses that live in that community. They can get the best use out of their dollar in that community.

We have started doing that two terms ago and, possibly up to three terms ago, the government started doing that. From that, we have seen people start to take better control of their lives, a lot more self pride. When you walk into those communities, you see the pride in the faces of workers. I was in your riding in Fort McPherson when I was the Minister of DPW, and you see it in the people. You see it as plain as day. They are building that building, their company is running the show, their foremen are from Fort McPherson.

They are the ones that are benefitting from that government spending and I know, from travelling throughout the Northwest Territories, Mr. Speaker, that in many, many of our small communities, people wait. They wait

all winter to get that job the next summer and they depend on their people to negotiate the contract so that they do get that work. We do not have an influx from the big regional centres or from southern Canada, workers coming in and taking jobs from local people. As far as I am concerned, we are doing the right thing. It is good government to negotiate contracts in the communities and we will continue to do so. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Everybody wants to go on a witchhunt on this one. I would like the Premier to consider looking at the contracts that have been let go and seeing how many resources have been used from the region. I will use McPherson's school for an example. Presently at the school, we have people from Dowling which is operated out of Tuktoyaktuk. We have people from McDonald Brothers out of Inuvik. From Tuktoyaktuk, we use Arctic Tire to do the pilings for the school. All the plumbing and electrical work is done locally. The majority of the foremen are aboriginal people who are building this school.

That was the emphasis on negotiated contracts. Yet, you hear in this House where people are getting these contracts, bringing people in from southern Canada, the operators, the equipment and everything. Will the Premier look at that matter and see exactly what percentage of these human resources are being used from the north versus southern Canada, especially with the companies in Yellowknife?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the previous Assembly, I was the Minister of DPW, as well as the Housing Corporation, and was in charge of the majority of the contracts for this government. Let me assure Members of this Legislative Assembly and the general public, when this government negotiates a contract, whether it be with the Gwich'in Development Corporation or Fort Good Hope or any other community, a negotiated contract is scrutinized more than any other contract in this government.

We make sure that when you negotiate a contract with this government, you follow the principles that we lay out and you will hire north, you will hire local people. If you cannot find them at the local level, contractors or workers, you go to the regional level. Then you go to the territorial level. If you want to bring anybody in from southern Canada, it comes to my level, as a Minister. I was a Minister responsible for DPW and I remember making it very clear to a small community when they say, "We cannot find a foreman, we have to bring one in from the south." "Tough luck, then we go to public tender.

You find your foremen in the north, you find your people in the north." Northerners will work with northerners on the negotiated contracts. They benefit everyone, especially the local people. So, they are scrutinized to the greatest extent and they are pure benefits that are real benefits to local people. That is what negotiated contracts do, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There seems to be a misunderstanding between this government and the land claims agreements. Maybe what we should do, once and for all, is to clarify that misunderstanding and sit down with the aboriginal organizations and the federal government to go through those sections of the agreement so that everybody understands exactly.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. With the greatest respect to the Member, I believe that he is asking me for legal opinion. We, as a government, are working and will be at the table in self-government negotiations with his people as well other people throughout the Northwest Territories that have settled claims. The Minister responsible will look into that issue. But just as a fundamental principle, it is good government to negotiate contracts. We do not feel, as a government, that it is a legal obligation to claims. It is good government that we leave as much dollars as possible at the community level. We get the community to benefit from contracts that are at the communities. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Morin . Oral questions. The two Ministers are back. Mr. Henry .

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Question 326-13(4): Plan For Western Constitutional Development

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today, Mr. Speaker, is to Mr. Antoine , the Minister responsible for Aboriginal Affairs . The Minister presented the document in the House a couple of days ago, Federal Support for Western Constitutional Process. The Minister acknowledged that we had a very crowded agenda. Some of the areas he identified as having priority was establishment of Nunavut. I am hoping that he also meant to talk about the establishment of the new western territory also.

He talked about negotiating formula financing for both territories, streamlining government in accordance with fiscal restraint, continuing to negotiate aboriginal land claims, and then development of the constitution. I could not agree more with the Minister that it certainly is a very crowded agenda.

In regards to the continuation of developing a constitution and the process that has been laid out, I would like the Minister to give some reassurance to the people of the Northwest Territories that there is a plan in place, in the event that a constitution is not passed through the federal Parliament, or first of all passed by the people of the Northwest Territories and then the federal Parliament, prior to 99. I believe that there are areas that have to be taken into consideration regardless whether we have a constitution or not, for example the boundaries commission.

Can the Minister inform the House and more particularly the people of the Northwest Territories, the western territory, that there is a plan in place in the event that a constitution is not ready by 99? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Aboriginal Affairs . Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to assure the honourable Member that as we move along in the development of the constitution here in the western NWT, that we have to look at all options. We are being realistic about the whole process. We know that our agenda is very crowded. At the present time, we have made it known that after meeting with the federal Minister of DIAND, Mr. Ron Irwin, that he is going to be involved with his department in helping us here in the north to try to move ahead with this agenda. There are aboriginal people on side on this whole process, aboriginal summit leaders.

We have an agenda to go ahead and move ahead with the continuation of development of this constitutional development here in the west. At the same time, being realistic, we have to look at the option that we are assured if this does not go ahead, we could fall on the status quo. This has always been there. As we move ahead with the other option, we will also be developing this option as we go along. This rolling draft will also take into consideration the different options that may arise if things do not happen the way we hope it does. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Antoine . Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that. Do I take it, from the Minister's comments, that he will be advancing a plan in particular for a boundaries commission because that is one particular item that will have to be dealt with regardless whether there is a new constitution or the status quo? Do I take it from the Minister's comments that he will be advancing a plan to ensure that those extremely important housekeeping issues are dealt with in the event that we do not have a constitution? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am taking the position that we are going to have a constitution here in the west. I am going on that commitment. At the end of the day, if we do not achieve it, I think that through the development of the constitutional process, there are going to be elements within this constitution that will be acceptable to the people in the north. Yes, part of the plan is to look at all the housekeeping issues such as the boundaries

commission that has to be done prior to the division of April 1, 1999. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 327-13(4): Staffing The Nunavut Government

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for division. Mr. Speaker, with the advent of Nunavut and division coming in the next two years, can the Minister advise this Chamber and all affected GNWT employees, as to what opportunity these employees will have in reference to potential employment in Nunavut? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe in the budget address, I tried to outline what the GNWT's position was as it relates to staff in Nunavut that exists there. We believe that these jobs should automatically be transferred to the new Nunavut government effective April 1, 1999. With respect to headquarter jobs that would be reassigned or reallocated to the Nunavut area, our position is subject to

article 23 of the affirmative action policy that there should be a hiring priority for people in the headquarters currently in Yellowknife that would move to Nunavut. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, how will this preference or priority affect or coincide with those individuals in Nunavut that are anticipating this potential employment, that are residents presently in Nunavut? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I think that there is a desire in everybody, including this House and certainly our partners in the division issue, NTI, that we would like to see more aboriginal content to the civil service, particularly at the senior management level. I think it would be fair to say that we have not been as successful as we should over the years.

However, the position that we have taken with respect to headquarters staff is that there is some obligation, never mind the practicalities of having people that know the job, but there is some obligation for us to promote the fact that our staff in Yellowknife who would theoretically move to Nunavut in headquarters positions, should be given the priority in relationship to recruitment. It would have to be done as long as it was done in the context of

article 23 of the claim which talks about the affirmative action requirements that the Nunavut government has to have; that is, it is expected that the new

Nunavut government's civil service would reflect the population. demographics, representation. Thank you, my colleague for Thebacha. It would represent the representative components of the populace in Nunavut. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not trying to be difficult here, but I am just trying to find out what level of comfort the Inuit or the residents of Nunavut will have. I think that we know that, as it relates to

article 23. The other question is what level of comfort can the GNWT employees have as relates to

article 23? We say a preference. What actually does that mean? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, you know this obviously is a sensitive issue and it is a very important one as it relates to people's livelihoods, et cetera. I think that the original requirement for further discussion on this issue, and you are absolutely correct, it is our intention to discuss this further with the parties, NTI and, of course, with the interim commissioner. The interim commissioner will ultimately have the legislative authority to enter into collective bargaining agreements with the interim civil service that will be required.

I think that it requires a little more careful consideration by all parties. Now, I am talking specifically about the headquarter's staff. I think that is what my colleague is alluding to. Again, I have to be clear. Our position is clear and I do have heart. Our position is clear when it comes to the current residents or employees in Nunavut. They fundamentally must be transferred to the new Nunavut government. On the headquarter's side, there is a requirement for further discussion by the parties.

We need to embrace the interim commissioner whoever he or she may be, and move forward to seeking a satisfactory resolve to this important issue. One, to the staff that are currently there and two, quite frankly, to ensure that the operations and the mechanics of government will be up and running on April 1, 1999 to ensure the financial system that I know is well in place, to ensure that the operations of government run. I am confident that all parties will see the need for a practical approach to this issue. I see that I have everybody's attention.

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Samuel Gargan

Could we have some order here, please.

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Keewatin Central

I am sure that we will be able to reach...

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

I would like to remind the Members that displaying things of any nature in this Chamber is not allowed. I would like ask that the Members have their documents on their table, but not to display anything.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Todd . Your response.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Maybe, I went on too long. But I will try to keep it short. I have 16 minutes. What I am trying to say, Mr. Speaker, is that we need to continue to discuss how we are going to provide an appropriate approach to the transition for headquarter's staff from Yellowknife to Nunavut, to Iqaluit which has been designated as the capital. That is our intent here. However, we recognize this is important to say publicly, that there is a desire, understandably so, and there is understanding that the new civil service under the new Nunavut government has to be representative of the population that is there. That is what I wanted to say. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. I want to thank the Members for their cooperation. Oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the point of my question is, with the limited time that we have left before division, to make sure that all parties know exactly where they stand and more importantly, I would like to ask the Minister, is this issue going to be discussed at the Cambridge Bay meeting this weekend? Thank you.

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Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Well, staffing for the Nunavut government is an issue and I would assume that it is going to be reviewed by all parties at the table on Sunday and Monday. It will be an issue. We are looking for an appropriate consensus by all parties as to how we move forward in a very practical way. That is my intent as the chair of the division committee, recognizing the obligations not only morally but the legal obligations that we have to meet the requirements of a representative civil service of the people of Nunavut.

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Hear! Hear!

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Keewatin Central

Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Barnabas .

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Question 328-13(4): Housing Maintenance In Nanisivik

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of the Housing Corporation . I would like to ask him about the Arctic Bay Housing Association in my constituency which is maintaining staff units in Nanisivik which is 20 miles away from Arctic Bay. I would like to know if the housing association is being budgeted to travel, or the maintainers to travel to Nanisivik, to maintain the units? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of NWT Housing Corporation.