Debates of Oct. 12th, 1994

This is page numbers 211 - 238 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was information .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

European Fur Import Regulation

Minister Absent From The House

Sivullik Building In Iqaluit

Recycling In The North

Highway Patrols In The Nwt

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Federal Funding Cuts For Language

Revert To Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Advertising Pub Hearings Affecting Nunavut

Merit Increases For Excluded Employees

Status Of New Languages Funding Agreement

GNWT Policy On Non-payment Of Bills By Contractors

Interim Measures During Review Of Bip

Policy For Mammography Screening

Financial Impact To GNWT Of Proposed Power Rates

Housing Crisis For Teachers In Gjoa Haven

Alternatives To Increasing Power Rate

Purpose Of Transportation Ministers' Meeting

GNWT Intervention Into Pub Rate Increase Hearing

Water Quality Monitoring

Testing To Ensure Safety Of Drinking Water

Notification Of Changes To Power Subsidy Program

Item 14: Tabling Of Documents

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Committee Report 4-12(6): Report On The Review Of Bill 6 - Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Act

To Adopt Recommendation 1

Bill 6: Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Act

To Defer Bill 6

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Kivallivik , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Minister's Statement 20-12(6): European Fur Import Regulation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, in May, before I became the Minister of Renewable Resources , I had the privilege of leading one of two delegations to meet with European governments. We discussed the harvesting of furs and animals, which is an important part of our northern economy and the foundation for our northern cultures.

The European community still intends to establish a regulation which could result in the end of the wild fur trade. Our primary mission in Europe was to gain support for Canada's request to delay the implementation of this regulation for one year.

I am pleased to report that our mission was successful. However, the one-year delay does not provide enough time for us to meet the conditions of the regulation as they now exist. We must now focus on two tasks.

First, we must change the European regulation so that it meets its original objective of promoting humane harvesting without killing the wild fur industry. To accomplish this, we must work with the Canadian government and our Canadian embassies in Europe. As well, the Department of Renewable Resources will monitor activities in the European Parliament. I also believe we must take every opportunity to meet directly with European governments and provide as much information as possible. In this way, European governments can make decisions that will help our economy, not hinder it.

Our other task is to continue the progress we have made in leading the world in developing and adopting humane harvesting methods. To accomplish this, the Department of Renewable Resources is continuing to work with trappers on using humane trapping methods. Both the trap exchange program and trapper training workshops will continue. As well, the department is participating in the process to develop international standards for humane trapping methods. Such standards are needed to implement the European regulation.

In our draft NWT Fur Strategy, we refer to the need to investigate alternative markets for our high quality wild fur pelts and products. We will proceed on this initiative in consultation with the Department of Economic Development and Tourism.

Lastly, I would like to thank the delegation Members: the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi ; the MLA for Nahendeh, Mr. Jim Antoine ; the MLA for Yellowknife South, Mr. Tony Whitford ; Chief James Ross and sub-Chief Joe Charlie from Fort McPherson; Mr. Sandy Tongola from Rankin Inlet; and, the deputy minister and assistant deputy minister of Renewable Resources, Mr. Joe Handley and Mr. Bob McLeod. I also appreciate the support from the Legislative Assembly, the Department of Economic Development and Tourism and the Gwich'in Tribal Council in sharing the delegations' costs. Qujannamiik.

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Minister's Statement 20-12(6): European Fur Import Regulation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Baffin Central , Ms. Mike .

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Minister's Statement 20-12(6): European Fur Import Regulation

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is a return...Oh, I'm sorry, I'm in the wrong place.

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Minister's Statement 20-12(6): European Fur Import Regulation

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 2, Ministers' statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Minister's Statement 21-12(6): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I wish to advise Members that the Honourable John Pollard will be absent from the House for the remainder of the week to attend a federal/provincial/territorial meeting of Finance Ministers in Toronto to discuss the replacement of the goods and services tax. Mr. Pollard will also be meeting with Members of Parliament of the NWT to discuss the health billings dispute and the formula financing negotiations. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 21-12(6): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Sivullik Building In Iqaluit

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I rise today with more good news from Iqaluit.

---Applause Thank you. A striking new building, the Sivullik Building, now graces the downtown skyline of my constituency. Madam Speaker, it is a new building featuring 24 apartments, including penthouse apartments with spectacular lofts on the third floor and about 7,000 square feet of ground-floor commercial space.

What is exciting about this brand new edifice, Madam Speaker, is that it is majority-owned by 15 Inuit shareholders from all over Baffin Island who have put up real money, their own money, without government grants or subsidies of any kind, for 51 per cent equity along with Grinnel Properties Ltd. in this modern, $4 million building.

Their new company is called Sivullik Development Corporation. I'm told that the name "Sivullik" is derived from an ancient Inuit legend. Time does not permit me to relate it here, but briefly, Ninguraaluk, an old woman, Utuqqalualuk, an old man, and Iliarjugaarjuk, a little orphan boy, are transformed respectively into the stars Vega, Arcturus and Muphrid. Amongst the Inuit, Vega is known as Kingullialuk, "the big one behind," while Arcturus and its companion star are together called Sivullik, "the two in front."

Madam Speaker, I'm delighted that this project, which was the major capital project this summer, is entirely funded from the private sector, including financing from the Bank of Montreal. Iqaluit is coming of age in reducing its dependence on government.

---Applause

I'm especially pleased that this is yet another Inuit-owned and controlled venture; a second major real estate venture, following the Ivavik apartment building put up by Katujjijiit Development Corporation several years ago. I wish to particularly congratulate Harry Flaherty, president of Sivullik Development Corporation; Carmen Levi, vice-president; and, their board and shareholders for this major step towards becoming landlords in their own land.

It looks like, Madam Speaker, because of all the applause, that I'm going to have to request consent to conclude my statement.

---Laughter

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his Member's statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Patterson .

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Sivullik Building In Iqaluit

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you very much. I'm also very pleased to announce, Madam Speaker, that today it has been announced that the ground floor of this new building will be occupied by a new corporate constituent to Iqaluit, the Bank of Montreal, who will be opening their new Iqaluit branch this spring. Canada Post Corporation, which is relocating to enlarge their space, is going to move in to this new building at the end of March. They will be adding modern counters, more space and additional post office boxes to meet Iqaluit's growing population.

Both the Bank of Montreal and the new location for the new post office are well-situated in the commercial centre of the community, a handy walking distance from the downtown and residential core of Iqaluit. I wish to congratulate and thank the Bank of Montreal and Canada Post Corporation and their northern services division for placing their confidence in Iqaluit and its future, and for placing their valued business with the Inuit owners of this splendid, modern, new building in our dynamic community.

I believe it augurs well for our future that these important corporate constituents have chosen to do business with a new, northern-owned, Baffin-owned, forward-looking company. Congratulations to all. Qujannamiik.

---Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Recycling In The North

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, a few years ago I lobbied the then Minister of Finance , Mr. Butters, and other Members to put a deposit on whiskey, wine and other bottles in the Northwest Territories to encourage recycling; to encourage collection of these items after the contents had been used up, rather than leaving them lying around everywhere in dumps, on the streets and so on.

To my understanding, the program has been quite successful. There is a deposit at purchase that the purchaser can collect once they take the bottles to a recycling depot. They can have 25 or so cents returned to them for each of the containers that they had with them.

Madam Speaker, I think you are well aware that anywhere you travel in the north today, you are going to find tin cans all over. One of the leading items sold in the Northwest Territories is either beer or pop. Although the beer cans are recyclable -- they are made of aluminum -- there is no deposit requirement for pop cans. They are all over the place by the thousands. If there were a deposit on that can, it would be picked up and put into collection areas. People could make a business out of it and have this return. Right now, there is a market for them in southern Canada.

People I know pick up these empty pop containers and take them to Edmonton and sell them for 20 cents or 30 cents a piece. Tin cans are the same. They just have to flatten them and they are sold.

I would like to see something like that happen here in the north, Madam Speaker, so it would encourage people who consume beverages from aluminum cans to keep them and return them to a depot where they can be collected and sent out for recycling. At the present time, there is no incentive to do this. If we were to put a deposit on them, it might encourage people to recycle a bit more. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Highway Patrols In The Nwt

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. First of all, let me say that I appreciate the efforts of past Ministers in ensuring that the quality and safety of our northern highways were maintained. I know that the present Minister is equally committed to improving the visibility and road conditions on our highways. Now if we could get together with the Minister of Renewable Resources and keep the buffalo from pulling hit and runs on me, I would be very happy.

---Laughter

---Applause

Madam Speaker, I have made some slightly negative comments in the past regarding our over-enthusiastic highway patrols, but that was a long time ago and I am sure Members have forgotten. In fact, I have changed my opinion, along with a lot of motorists and constituents in recent months, as we have made some startling observations.

Since the chipseal program began between Fort Providence, Yellowknife and Hay River -- a stretch of road I have travelled often -- I have noticed heavy vehicles travelling the highways at dangerous, unsafe speeds. They travel much faster than they need to and it is a great danger to the ordinary passenger vehicles.

I should note that many of these large vehicles are northern-owned and operated, which surprises me. Not only are they a danger to motorists, but their excessive speed is damaging the road surface and costing us money as taxpayers.

In one instance outside of Hay River, I can recall a large truck passing five vehicles in a row, including me, at a speed of at least 140 kilometres per hour. We can do without this dangerous activity on our highways. Madam Speaker, lately, I can say in all honesty, I have noticed more buffalo on the road than highway patrol units and would like to encourage the Minister and the Department of Transportation to increase the number and frequency of highway patrols, if at all possible, to address the problems before there is serious tragedy. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

Speaker's Ruling

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Prior to calling item 4, returns to oral questions, I would like to indicate that yesterday the Minister of Health and Social Services, under the item "returns to oral questions" gave a return to Oral Question 54-12(6), asked by Mr. Koe , the Member for Inuvik on October 6, 1994.

A review of the House records and Hansard indicates that this question was answered on the day it was asked. It is quite clear that the Minister did not take it as notice, which would have permitted a response on a subsequent day under the item returns to oral questions. I note that on page 298 of the unedited Hansard, the Minister, in response to Mr. Koe 's second supplementary question, indicated she would provide information to the Member.

The chair fully understands that all Ministers wish to live up to the commitments they make in the House, however, another avenue will have to be found to do this when a question is not clearly taken as notice. I am sure Members will appreciate that if Ministers were allowed to make further returns, questions could go on for some considerable time. I noticed that the return given by the Minister of Health and Social Services yesterday could have been provided to the Member by letter.

Therefore, to ensure we comply with rule 38(2)(b), only oral questions that are clearly indicated by the Ministers that the question is taken as notice should be given under item 4, returns to oral questions. Thank you.

Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Return To Question 89-12(6): Ece Policy For Student Exchange Programs

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This is a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Ningark on October 11, 1994 with regard to Education, Culture and Employment's policy for student exchange programs.

Student travel and exchanges are important educational activities. The Department of Education, Culture and Employment provides some funding directly to boards and divisional boards of education to contribute to the travel and exchange activities of their students.

Individuals and groups may apply for the support for these activities through their board or divisional board of education. Decisions on student travel and exchange proposals are made by the boards.

The department has prepared information regarding student travel and exchange programs in a report called, "A Guide for NWT Teachers and Students: Travel, Awards, Exchanges, Scholarships, Contests and Other Opportunities." I will provide all Members with a copy of this guide for their information. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Return To Question 89-12(6): Ece Policy For Student Exchange Programs

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. The honourable Member for Kivallivik , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Return To Question 86-12(6): Status Of Smouldering Forest Fires

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Gargan on October 11, 1994 regarding forest fires and comparison with the 1993 season.

At this time last year, one forest fire was still smouldering and eventually went out over the winter.

One fire was discovered burning in the mountains in the Sahtu area in the spring of 1994. Departmental staff suspect a 1993 forest fire ignited a coal seam and that this fire burned throughout the winter. This was the first fire that the department put out in the Sahtu in 1994.

Four other fires were discovered in January 1994 in the North Slave area. They burned throughout the winter and were put out in the spring. These fires were thought to have started from winter campfires. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Return To Question 86-12(6): Status Of Smouldering Forest Fires

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Return To Question 86-12(6): Status Of Smouldering Forest Fires

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to return to item 3, Members' statements.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to return to item 3, Members' statements. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, Mr. Zoe .

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Federal Funding Cuts For Language

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, almost five years ago, on October 26, 1989, a point of order was raised by Mr. Pedersen, then the honourable Member for Kitikmeot West in this House.

The Assembly was in session in Norman Wells at that time. Mr. Pedersen raised a point of order because I attempted to make a Member's statement in Dogrib and no translation was available. The House had to shut down that day until a Dogrib interpreter was available.

I refer to this incident to emphasize the importance of our aboriginal languages. The Northwest Territories is unique in this country in the way we recognize and acknowledge how important aboriginal languages are.

The Government of the Northwest Territories reacted quickly to this development. The Government Leader at that time, the honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , moved to meet the concerns of the federal government, while recognizing the importance of aboriginal languages. The result was the official languages ordinance, accompanied by the first Canada/NWT languages funding agreement.

Madam Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my Member's statement.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue with his Member's statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Continue, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Mahsi. At the time, many Members of this House were upset at the heavy-handedness of the federal government's initial response to this very important speeding ticket. But thanks to the excellent negotiating skills of the honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , and his Cabinet colleagues in 1984, we were able to come to an agreement that both parties could live with.

Now, Madam Speaker, the federal government is threatening to throw away 10 years of progress and goodwill on the languages issue. By threatening significant cuts to languages funding in the Northwest Territories, the federal government is returning to their heavy-handed ways.

Madam Speaker, I suggest the federal government is acting dishonourably in threatening to cut languages funding. It's as if they decided they could weasel out of our agreement, now that we have committed to translating our laws into French. I hope that the present Cabinet and the Premier are making it very clear to Ottawa that those who recognize the importance of aboriginal languages to the people of the north think the federal government is being unfair and unjust. Mahsi cho.

---Applause

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Baffin Central , Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I seek unanimous consent to go back to item 2, Ministers' statements.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to return to item 2, Ministers' statements. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Please proceed, honourable Member for Baffin Central , Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker, and colleagues. I wish to correct, for the record, my return to Mr. Zoe 's question yesterday concerning the Department of Municipal and Community Affairs reorganization.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Ms. Mike , I have just been advised by the Clerk that we don't have a copy of your Minister's statement. According to our rules, Ministers' statements have to be filed

an hour prior to the House sitting. Therefore, it either has to be considered or requested as an emergency statement under Ministers' statements or file your statement accordingly, in accordance with our rules. Thank you. The honourable Member for Baffin Central , Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I was going to make an extension to a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Zoe yesterday, in addition, which you ruled out. It is a similar response that the Premier made that you wrote that weekend on doing the House. So I thought it was okay for me to go back to Ministers' statements to make corrections that, in my response, I made to Mr. Zoe yesterday.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Ms. Mike , in accordance with our rules, Ministers' statements are to be developed in accordance to policy. Further clarification with regard to your comments can be made to the Member through, as I indicated, letter format or through returns to oral questions. However, what I am indicating to you is that Ministers' statements have to be filed with the Clerk to advise this House that Ministers' statements are going to be addressed in the House prior to the House sitting and we have not received a record of your Minister's statement as of yet. Thank you.

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We have a visitor in the gallery, Liza McPherson. She is area director for the Fort Simpson area. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for the Public Utilities Board , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 215

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. No, I don't think it is adequate. I want to assure the honourable Member if this practice has taken place I will instruct the PUB forthwith that in future there'll be a far more extensive advertising campaign put into place with respect to hearings across the territories, including CBC and bilingual newspapers like the Nunatsiaq News for the eastern Arctic. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 215

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Yes, thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm very pleased with that response. I would like to ask the Minister more about these hearings. Madam Speaker, I understand that the Power Corporation, in its application, is proposing significant changes to the levying of power rates in Nunavut, including the creation of a new diesel Nunavut zone for the entire Nunavut area. Yet, I understand that the Public Utilities Board is holding hearings today and this week only in Yellowknife.

I would like to ask the Minister, Madam Speaker, if it's correct that, as far as he knows, even though these hearings will have major implications in Nunavut, there are no plans at present for the Public Utilities Board to hold hearings on this issue outside Yellowknife. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for the Public Utilities Board , Mr Todd.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 215

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm not aware of whether the Public Utilities Board is holding hearings in other parts of the country. However, I do concur with the honourable Member that if the rates that are being discussed are affecting communities in the eastern Arctic, there perhaps should be a Public Utilities Board hearing there to give people the opportunity to express their concerns. So, I will communicate with the chairman of the board later on this afternoon to determine whether there are hearings going to be held in other parts of the country.

If there aren't, I will provide him with some direction to ensure that, in future, these take place. If this is not going to happen, I apologize to the honourable Member and the communities in the eastern Arctic who are affected. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am pleased with the Minister's response, but I would just like to seek a little bit of clarification. He talked about future hearings. I would like to understand the Minister's commitment. These power rate applications under way now, I understand, will affect the long-term power rates in Nunavut.

So, I would like to ask the Minister, just to make it clear, do we have his commitment that he will use his good offices with the Public Utilities Board to ensure that if there are not plans to hold hearings outside of Yellowknife on these important rate applications affecting the people of Nunavut, that before the application is concluded hearings will be held in Nunavut? Thank you.

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Page 216

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for the Public Utilities Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes. I will take whatever steps necessary to ensure that the Public Utilities Board will meet in those regions affected. I am, quite frankly, quite surprised that it isn't. Hopefully, I can correct that tout de suite. Thank you.

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Page 216

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Lewis .

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Question 101-12(6): Merit Increases For Excluded Employees

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 216

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In the absence of the Minister of Finance , I would like to ask the Premier a question relating to salaries, bargaining and so on. The Minister of Finance has made a statement that the teachers have accepted a zero per cent increase and are excluded. Even the government has accepted it. Well, it resolved they were going to get a zero per cent increase. My question is, does that also mean that there will also be no merit money for these excluded people? The statement said there would be no increases for that group.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I will take that question as notice. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Question 102-12(6): Status Of New Languages Funding Agreement

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 216

Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Premier . Can she tell this House briefly about the present status of negotiations with the federal government regarding the new agreement for languages funding?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the discussions and arguments between the federal government and the territorial government have been going on for some time, with relationship to what the funding levels should be. The present and last offer from the federal government is being evaluated right now. The approximate cut is 35 per cent. That is being evaluated to see what that would mean for the delivery of programs and services in aboriginal and French languages. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. Has the Premier made it clear to the federal government how important aboriginal languages are to northerners?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I have continually insisted on the importance of this matter to the federal government; that this agreement was a special arrangement with the territorial government because of its unique circumstances and that it was an agreement made by a previous Liberal government.

I have not only made very strong overtures to the Minister responsible for Canadian Heritage, but also to the Finance Minister , the Honourable Paul Martin, as well as getting the assistance of the Member of Parliament, Ethel Blondin, who has made many, many requests to the Ministers responsible, both the Finance Minister and the Minister responsible for languages as well. I have also enlisted the support of the Member for Nunatsiaq, Mr. Jack Anawak.

As well, all the aboriginal organizations have been kept up-to-date on some of the problems and issues that were arising from the anticipated cuts to funding for languages. Not only did we deal with it at that level, but also at the specific meeting dealing with languages at which the Ministers were also in attendance. It was a meeting for all provincial jurisdictions. At that time, there were deliberations on the needs of the Northwest Territories. So, we haven't been shy about our representation and the involvement of the government.

It was a Liberal government when the previous Minister, the Honourable Richard Nerysoo , signed the agreement with them. We haven't been shy about our representation.

We have gotten the latest offer and it will be evaluated. I can provide the Member with the updated letter if he so desires. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Final supplementary, Madam Speaker. Can the Premier tell us what plans the government has for language services if previous funding levels cannot be negotiated with the federal government?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I would like the Member to clarify. I didn't quite understand his question, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you. Maybe I can rephrase my question, Madam Speaker. I was asking the Premier if she could tell us if the government has any plans in case we don't get the same level of funding from the federal government. If we're not successful in acquiring the amount we are currently receiving, what plans does the government have?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I would not be able to answer that question clearly or in detail because right at the moment we are evaluating what the latest offer was, what services are essential, what we really have to provide and see what's left and where we go from there.

I hope that in the next few days we will have more clarification of the amounts and what areas we feel we will have to address first. I will share that information with the Members of the Legislative Assembly once we have received a breakdown. I will be working with the Minister responsible for Languages and the other Ministers who have a very clear obligation in terms of providing services, either in the aboriginal languages or in the French language. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo .

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Question 103-12(6): GNWT Policy On Non-payment Of Bills By Contractors

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 217

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to ask the government -- I am not too sure if it is the Premier or the Minister of Public Works and Services who handles the contracts in the small communities -- if the government has a policy to deal with contractors who do not pay for their accommodation and meals while doing their contracts for government. These hotels are normally locally-owned. Does the government have a policy to deal with those contractors who don't pay? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 217

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, we do cover that. There is a 10 per cent hold-back from all contracts, and whoever isn't paid should contact either the Department of Public Works and Services or the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation within 60 days of finishing the contract. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

The honourable Member for Amittuq , Mr. Allooloo , supplementary.

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Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Is there assistance that the government could provide those hotels that are not being paid, and how does the process work? Is there a person in your department who handles and helps the local hotels to get their money from contractors? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Page 217

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes, if hotels or the co-op or whoever has not been paid by a contractor having a contract with this government, they should be in touch with Department of Public Works and Services at the regional office.

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Supplementary, Mr. Allooloo .

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Page 217

Titus Allooloo

Amittuq

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We have a case in my constituency where the local hotel was not paid and has not been paid for a number of years. Does the government have a policy whereby, if the company does not pay and that company has northern preference or local preference, the government is able to take that preference away? Thank you.

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Page 217

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Page 217

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It is the responsibility of hotels, subcontractors or business people in the Northwest Territories to inform the government that they have not been paid in a certain time period after the contract is finished. All people are aware of that. All people are also aware that we do hold back 10 per cent of the overall contract to settle the unpaid bills if they are not. There is a time frame. Other than that, we are not responsible and, no, we cannot take away the business incentive policy for unpaid bills. Thank you.

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Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 104-12(6): Interim Measures During Review Of Bip

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 218

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Public Works and Services . Madam Speaker, we are aware of the fact that the Minister's department is undertaking a long-needed review of the business incentive policy, but, in the meantime -- this review may take a number of months -- the Minister and Members have received complaints about southern companies that are circumventing the rules of the business incentive policy and taking contracts from northern companies. So my question to the Minister is what is the Minister doing in the meantime until the review is completed to make sure that this doesn't happen.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 218

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Page 218

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We have a senior management committee that is in place to ensure that the spirit and intent of the business incentive policy is followed. All applications for the business incentive policy are looked at through that committee and they are then given out accordingly. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Page 218

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you. I am not sure that makes me feel any better, because that particular approach has been in place for a while. So I will ask the Minister another question. Would the Minister be prepared to personally review new applications under the business incentive policy to ensure that the spirit and intent of the business incentive policy is carried out?

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Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Page 218

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Right now, the committee is comprised of the deputy ministers of Transportation and Public Works and Services, the president of the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation, as well as the deputy minister of Economic Development and Tourism. All issues which are brought forward to me from all MLAs, if they have a concern about the business incentive policy, I follow up on personally. Thank you.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Page 218

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you. Speaking as one MLA, I have a concern about the whole process. I was happy to hear that the Minister is prepared to use the spirit and intent clause to protect northern businesses. I will ask the Minister again, not just on a case-by-case basis, but will the Minister become more involved in this process, because the process right now is not working. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have become more personally involved in this process. We are going through a consultation process to revise the Business Incentive Policy. The problem is not only who gets the business incentive policy, but the problem we have is how to define a northerner and who is eligible for preference under this policy. So I am personally involved and I will continue to be personally involved. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Ballantyne .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

My final supplementary to the Minister, following up on the Minister's comments on the spirit and intent clause, does the Minister intend to enforce the business incentive policy if a company doesn't follow the policy by ensuring that they don't get a contract in the future, using the spirit and intent clause to police the contract?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would love to be able to do that today but I am unable to do that today. That is the whole idea of reviewing the business incentive policy, of redoing it, so if people do not follow what they lay out in their contracts and their tenders, then we can remove the business incentive policy from them. There will have to be fairly unique circumstances today for that to happen but, hopefully, within the next six months, we will be able to do that if people do not hire northerners where they say they are going to hire northerners, or if they are storefront operations, then we will remove their business incentive policy. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake , Mr. Dent .

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Question 105-12(6): Policy For Mammography Screening

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 218

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health and Social Services. Madam Speaker, on March 29, this year, I asked the then Minister of Health ,

Mr. Pollard , if the department had developed a policy for mammography screening. The Minister's response was that the department was reviewing the data and would recommend to him what the policy should be. He followed up with a letter to me at the end of April which stated that following final review of data collected over the past three years, the department would clarify its policy with regard to appropriate practice. My question, Madam Speaker, is has this really happened. Do we now have a policy covering mammography screening?

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Page 219

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Health and Social Services, Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I will take that question as notice. Thank you.

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Page 219

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Page 219

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Premier and it has to do with the Northwest Territories Power Corporation's application for a general rate review, now before the Public Utilities Board. Madam Speaker, as I understand the materials presented by the Power Corporation, in its application for a general rate increase, it seems to be assumed by the Power Corporation that as the power bill goes up, it is expected that the government subsidy for domestic non-government consumers will also go up. That is, the Power Corporation seems to assume that the subsidy will continue on the present formula in its rate application.

My question to the Premier , Madam Speaker, is has the Government of the Northwest Territories calculated how much the increased subsidy will cost the government if the rate changes go through. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Mr. Patterson , I'd like to ask if you could rephrase your question. You're asking a somewhat hypothetical question based on the process going through. If I could ask you to somehow rephrase your question, Mr. Patterson .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 219

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Yes, I'll try. Thank you. Madam Speaker, I'd like to ask the Premier if the GNWT has studied and calculated the financial impact of proposed new power rates on the amount of subsidy required to be paid by the Government of the Northwest Territories to subsidize domestic power consumers throughout the Northwest Territories.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, it's difficult to give a short answer to that question because there are certain presumptions that one would have to make. I believe the Power Corporation has looked at the changes and looked at how that could affect their operation.

Madam Speaker, as we are aware, when the Power Corporation turned from a federal to a territorial Crown corporation, we knew that there were 51 rate zones. Each community had an established criteria on their rate. The commitment right from the beginning is that somehow we would have to rationalize what people were paying because, in a lot of communities, it was felt that some communities were less than what the actual costs for that particular community were or that area and some were paying more. As well as the 51 different rate zones for each community, we also have a government rate.

I believe that there have been some numbers that were crunched and I believe as much as possible that the Power Corporation could get from the figures that have been established previously are presently before the Public Utilities Board.

Madam Speaker, there is a long explanation and I realize the rules suggest that if there is a long explanation, that perhaps you would rule me out of order to go into all the detail. Madam Speaker, that's as much as I could provide at this time. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. I just want to caution Members with regard to questioning items that may be placed before the PUB. I just confirmed with the Clerk that the PUB is a quasi-judicial body set up by legislation of this House, and items before any type of court of quasi-judicial body are not to be questioned while the process is in place through question period. So I'd like to caution Members to keep that in mind when they are questioning the government. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'll try to bear that caution in mind. Madam Speaker, I have a simple question for the Premier . Since the government is a major consumer of power and a major customer of the Power Corporation through its agencies and through its own buildings and staff housing, I'd like to ask the Premier will the Government of the Northwest Territories be intervening as a major consumer of power in the Public Utilities Board rate hearings now under way. Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, yes.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

I'd like to ask the Premier , Madam Speaker, since the government is intervening, which I think it should, and the government is also the owner of the Power Corporation, how can we be sure that the government, when

it intervenes in the PUB hearings, is not in conflict when it intervenes to at the same time protect its own interest as a major power consumer. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for the Power Corporation , Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I would just like to inform the honourable Member that on previous hearings the Government of the Northwest Territories was an interested party in those deliberations, so this is not a new role that we play as a government. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Madam Speaker, I understand that, but I guess what I'm curious about is how, within the government, the public interest is split from the government's interest as the owner of the Power Corporation. For example, is there another government department that is responsible for the interventions other than the Power Corporation? Is there another Minister other than the Premier ? How do we ensure the public interest is safeguarded in this process? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 220

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for the Power Corporation , Madam Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 220

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, in our discussion on this matter, the Minister who would normally be responsible for this particular exercise would have been the Minister responsible for Energy, Mines and Petroleum Resources . However, that Minister, at this time, is also Minister responsible for the Public Utilities Board . In the best interest of carrying out the responsibility in this peculiar situation, the Minister of Finance is taking on the role of overseeing the interest of government in the public hearings that are taking place. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Question 107-12(6): Housing Crisis For Teachers In Gjoa Haven

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 220

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for the Department of Public Works and Services. Madam Speaker on June 10, 1994, the Kitikmeot Divisional Board of Education met with the Department of Education's deputy minister and assistant deputy minister to discuss the GNWT housing need in the Kitikmeot region. One of the main concerns at that meeting was without additional housing in Gjoa Haven, there would not be delivery of grade 10 in 1994, 1995 and 1996 in Gjoa Haven.

My question to the Minister, Madam Speaker, is the Honourable Minister aware that Gjoa Haven is in such desperate need of housing to house the teaching staff for the year 1995-96. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 220

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Housing , Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 220

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The process for obtaining staff housing in the communities is that the Department of Personnel through a request, for example for teachers, the Department of Education will make a request of the Department of Personnel for housing. Once they have found the dollars, then it comes to my department to either lease them or build them. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ningark .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 220

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I am sure subsequent to the meeting of the department, deputy minister and assistant deputy minister, there was in fact a request made from the Kitikmeot Divisional Board of Education. Is the Minister, in fact, aware of that housing need in Gjoa Haven? Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 220

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Housing , Mr. Morin .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I can't recall being made aware of this specific meeting. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 220

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife South , Mr. Whitford .

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Question 108-12(6): Alternatives To Increasing Power Rate

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 220

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question I would like to direct to the Premier in her capacity as Minister responsible for the Power Corporation . Many of my constituents, Madam Speaker, in Yellowknife, are very fearful of that proposed 22 per cent low-water surcharge that's going to be imposed by the Power Corporation. I understand it's still to be heard by PUB, but the principle of the issue of user-pay in such instances is quite alarming. They've brought this to my attention and they want to know whether other alternatives have been looked at. The bills are already $250 to $300 a month for electricity.

Surely the Power Corporation would have anticipated fuel increases, low water or something and built-in reserves. I would like to ask the Minister responsible whether alternatives have been looked at to this proposed hike.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for the Power Corporation , Madam Premier .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, there are several issues before the Public Utilities Board in addition to the cost on the low water. On September 1st, the corporation did make an application back to 1993, to the Public Utilities Board requesting approval on an automatic fuel adjustment clause which adjusts rates to automatically account for diesel fuel price increases or decreases; previously applied for in 1992. There are several issues that have been outstanding since we acquired the Power Corporation which we knew we were going to have to deal with. So there has been deliberation on trying to put those issues forward.

The Public Utilities Board has a heavy agenda on all those areas, and they're trying very hard to deal with them. So it's not as though this has not been brought to the attention of the Public Utilities Board, but it's a matter of how and what time

schedule they can agree to deal with this. There have been a lot of discussions and a lot of interaction between the PUB and the Power Corporation on water charges as well as fuel adjustment and other issues that are outstanding. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Whitford .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 221

Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Without prejudicing the issue that is going to be before the PUB, I think my question would probably lead a little bit more to long-term planning, that one must anticipate the price of fuel is going to go up so they build in a contingency there that would allow for increases. The same would apply to possibilities of low water on the hydro systems.

My question is, is the Power Corporation looking at regular planning that any department or agency such as the Power Corporation would be doing to put in place a program that would take care of those particular emergencies over a longer term, rather than hit hard, a 22 per cent increase for a year, to the ratepayers of that area. Are they looking at putting in a program that would spread this over a longer period of time and build up a reserve for such emergencies?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, in the several issues that are placed before the Public Utilities Board, these are the issues that are being addressed. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Question 109-12(6): Purpose Of Transportation Ministers' Meeting

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 221

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Transportation , the Honourable John Todd . I understand that Mr. Todd was at a meeting of provincial and federal Ministers of Transportation on October 4th in Winnipeg. I would like to ask the Minister what was the purpose of the meeting. I will follow up with supplementaries. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Transportation , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The purpose of the meeting was to meet with our provincial counterparts and the federal Transportation Minister , the Honourable Doug Young, with respect to trying to develop a national highway policy whereby the federal, provincial and territorial jurisdictions would hopefully jointly fund a national highway system.

My understanding is this process has been in place since 1987, I believe. Certainly the Member from New Brunswick was very active at the meeting and indicated it's been a long drawn-out process.

The upshot of the meeting, basically, was that Mr. Young indicated there was no new money available at the federal level with respect to developing a national highway policy or a national highway system. However, he did indicate he was prepared to look at a reassignment of existing money that goes into the provincial and territorial jurisdictions, that perhaps -- he did stress "perhaps" -- those funds could be, along with the provinces and the territories, used to develop a strong national highway system.

We, along with our provincial counterparts, indicated to the Minister that we felt we could identify funds within our existing resources, and asked him if he would be prepared to match them. The conclusion at the end of the day was that we would provide him by the end of, I believe it was, this month, the kind of levels of funding we felt we could identify within our existing budgets as subject to the approval of our Premier and Finance Ministers. He committed to trying to identify similar funds from his federal funding before the end of the calendar year, the end of December. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This House has heard me supporting the national highway system, all the way down the Mackenzie valley, many times, from Wrigley on up to Inuvik. I'd like to ask the Minister if this policy that is being developed is going to be able to provide some sort of funding to complete the national highway program down the Mackenzie Valley.

---Applause

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Transportation , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In an ideal world, that certainly was in our plans. However, I've stressed many times under the current fiscal conditions that we're operating, we're frankly unable to do it. Now we are working with people in that particular region in trying to develop new and innovative ways should we be successful in securing some long-term joint cosponsorship of the highway system in the western Arctic. Frankly, this is not going to take place unless we do get some kind of joint funding from the federal government.

To me, the result of the meeting last week was fairly clear. Some of the provincial Ministers were frustrated because these discussions have been going on since 1987. They wanted to know whether in fact there was a chance for this thing to go through or not. Mr. Young, the Minister of Transportation , indicated he was prepared to give a decision one way or the other by the end of December. So the optimistic side of me says now we can make an arrangement with the federal government on the reassignment of existing funds to develop and continue with this highway system that we have in place.

However, we're all aware of the current fiscal conditions of the country and it's going to be difficult unless they can reassign money from other programs. However, we should know, and it was made clear to us, whether there is the makings of a deal by the end of December or not. Let me stress "or not." Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 222

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I'm reading from a press release from the Department of Transportation and then there is an attachment on the back called, "Western and Territorial Transportation Ministers' Comprehensive Review, Western Transportation Priorities." In terms of funding for a new highway, in this document it explains that $4.5 billion is annually derived from taxes on fuel.

We, in the Northwest Territories, especially in this part of the country, purchase a lot of fuel for our vehicles and it'll be interesting to ask the Minister if he has any figures on how much taxes are raised in the western part of the territories towards fuel consumption and if this could be applied towards a continuing highway system in the west. Thank you.

---Applause

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Transportation , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

The press release tried to relate the kind of revenues, the $4.2 billion the federal government gets from, I believe, a gasoline tax and tried to relate it as to whether it goes back into transportation as an argument that it is putting back an insufficient amount of money from the revenues it generates. The actual revenues generated in the western Arctic...I don't know the actual numbers off the top of my head, but it's marginal with respect to the $4.2 billion.

The one thing we do have in this national highway system is the only gravel highway that is recognized as a national highway. That's why we're in, if you want, the negotiations. As I said, I believe the Department of Transportation can, with some creativity, reassign some of its dollars, if we can find some 50 cent dollars, from the federal government similar to what we did with the strategic transportation initiative that enabled us to bring a number of airport upgrades forward, et cetera. That's where we're heading with this.

The taxation issue was used as an argument to illustrate the degree of payback, if you want, with respect to the revenues that are associated through the gas tax. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Question 110-12(6): GNWT Intervention Into Pub Rate Increase Hearing

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 222

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have another question for the Premier about the government's participation in the PUB hearings on the general rate application of the Power Corporation. I'd like to ask the Premier , further to my earlier question today, when was the decision made that the GNWT would intervene through the Minister of Finance . Thank you.

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