Debates of June 5th, 2013

This is page numbers 2827 – 2862 of the Hansard for the 17th Assembly, 4th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was devolution .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Early Childhood Development Framework Renewal

Early Childhood Development Framework

Aboriginal Cultural Awareness Training

Gwich’in And Inuvialuit Support For Draft Devolution Final Agreement

Nahanni Butte Flood Damage

NWT Track And Field Championships In Hay River

Education Reform

Creation Of NWT Fine Arts School

Report Of The Auditor General Of Canada On The Northwest Territories Income Security Programs

Satellite Health Insurance Office In Hay River

29th Anniversary Of The Inuvialuit Final Agreement

Access To Contracts Information

World Environment Day 2013

Point Of Order

Residential Tenancies Act

29th Anniversary Of The Inuvialuit Final Agreement

Congratulations To Tu Nedhe Recipients Of 2013 Premier’s Award Of Excellence

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

2013 Premier’s Award - Ralph Sanquez

2013 Premier’s Award – Colville Lake Tommy Kochon Airport Team

Conocophillips Application Concerning Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Flood Damage And Restoration In Nahanni Butte

Residential Tenancies Act

Tabled Document 90-17(4): NWT Arts Strategy Progress Report As Of March 31, 2013 Tabled Document 91-17(4): Right From The Start: A Framework For Early Childhood Development In The NWT

Tabled Document 92-17(4): Public Works And Services Energy Conservation Projects Annual Report 2012-2013

Tabled Document 93-17(4): List Of Interactivity Transfers Exceeding $250,000 For The Period April 1, 2012, To March 31, 2013

Tabled Document 94-17(4): Excerpt From Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Act (Atipp) Tabled Document 95-17(4): E-Mails Regarding Atipp Request On Yellowknife Office Building Contract Tabled Document 96-17(4): Public Works And Services Invoice For Atipp Request On Yellowknife Office Bui

Support For The Approval Of The NWT Lands And Resources Devolution Agreement

Recorded Vote

Bill 24:

An Act To Amend The Liquor Act

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Report of Committee of the Whole

Bill 11: Financial Administration And Public Agency Statutes (Borrowing Provisions) Amendment Act

Bill 20:

An Act To Amend The Tlicho Community Government Act

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:31 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Good afternoon, colleagues. Before we get started, I’d just like to wish all my Inuvialuit beneficiaries back home, happy Inuvialuit Day. It’s Inuvialuit Day.

---Applause

Item 2, Ministers’ statements. The honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister's Statement 67-17(4): Early Childhood Development Framework Renewal

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, this Assembly’s vision of healthy, educated people contributing to a strong and prosperous northern society starts in early childhood, from prenatal to five years. The departments of Education, Culture and Employment and Health and Social Services have worked collaboratively to craft a renewed Early Childhood Development Framework based on best practices and national and international research. We will be tabling this document later today.

From the comprehensive engagement process at the start of the year, the framework includes input from nearly 500 completed surveys, webinars with child and health care practitioners, community focus groups, regional meetings, home visits, and an Elders’ Sharing Circle. A roundtable with more than 100 early childhood experts, leaders, child care and education professionals, health and social services professionals, and policy-makers helped to round out our comprehensive engagement process.

Feedback also identified several successful programs, including Healthy Children Initiatives.

Mr. Speaker, we have taken all of this valuable information and built it into the renewed framework. In order to provide the quality supports and services that children and their families need, our front-line professionals must also have access to information, opportunity and training. Our infrastructure options are being explored across the territory.

Mr. Speaker, we are moving forward to provide our young children with a strong foundation on which to learn and grow, and supporting our families and communities with information, resources and services. Healthy, educated people sustained by a clean environment and enjoying the benefits of a thriving economy are essential to the future of the Northwest Territories. Our renewed framework is one of several strategies this government is working on to support our people, develop our economy and protect our environment.

This includes work like the Anti-Poverty Strategy, Community Safety Strategy, Land Use and Sustainability Framework, the Economic Opportunities Strategy, Mineral Development Strategy and Energy Strategy. We look forward to keeping the House informed on the progress of the Early Childhood Development Initiative. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 67-17(4): Early Childhood Development Framework Renewal

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Minister's Statement 68-17(4): Early Childhood Development Framework

Ministers’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to be joining my colleague, the Minister of

Education, Culture and Employment, in tabling Right from the Start: A Framework for Early Childhood Development in the NWT later today. This framework not only responds to the priorities of this Legislative Assembly, it also answers concerns that are top of mind for the people of the Northwest Territories.

Research informs us about the importance of the first years of a child’s life, and the wisdom of our elders and our communities has confirmed this. The return on early childhood investments has been well documented.

The Early Childhood Development Framework will guide our actions in this area over the next decade. It contains commitments to action in seven key areas. Starting during pregnancy, we need to ensure that expectant mothers have the support they need, whether it’s help to stop drinking, eating a healthy diet, being protected from an abusive relationship, or getting the best prenatal care possible. We can do a better job of providing early childhood assessment services to all families, and we will improve our range of programming to respond to identified needs.

We have heard that we need to help families by providing better outreach and public education initiatives, and this will be part of our commitment to action. We also need to make sure that families have access to quality, affordable early learning and child care programs.

Finally, the Framework includes a commitment to monitoring, reporting and ongoing evaluation of our efforts in these areas.

Over the summer we will finalize an action plan to support the commitments in this Framework. It will outline our priorities for action over the next three years, and will be supported by a monitoring and evaluation framework so that we report on progress and adjust our work in response.

Mr. Speaker, this Assembly has a vision of a strong, prosperous Northwest Territories where our people can thrive and reach their full potential. Achieving that vision takes a balanced agenda that makes progress on not just our social priorities but also our economic and environmental ones. Right from the Start is an investment in our people and it is also an investment in our economy and our environment.

Along with the other strategies this Government is putting into place, it will help us ensure our people are able to share in the benefits and responsibilities of a unified, environmentally sustainable and prosperous Northwest Territories. I look forward to updating Members on the success of this strategy in future Sessions. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 68-17(4): Early Childhood Development Framework

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Minister of Human Resources , Mr. Abernethy .

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Minister's Statement 69-17(4): Aboriginal Cultural Awareness Training

Ministers’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to announce a new initiative that aims to promote the Government of the Northwest Territories as an inclusive workplace, a key commitment of 20/20: A Brilliant North, the NWT Public Service Strategic Plan.

The Northwest Territories is proud to be the only jurisdiction in Canada that recognizes National Aboriginal Day as a statutory holiday, and we celebrate on June 21st of each year. To coincide

with Aboriginal Day 2013, I am pleased to confirm that the Government of the Northwest Territories will be launching Aboriginal cultural awareness training for employees of the GNWT public service.

Participants will gain increased understanding about Aboriginal culture; enhanced awareness, recognition and respect in the workplace; and a renewed spirit of inclusion among GNWT employees. New staff will learn about the communities and regions they live in and the residents they serve. They will learn that the land is our life and the source of our wealth and well-being. Healthy people depend on a healthy environment, and our natural resources have the potential to transform our economy, creating jobs and opportunities for all.

Cultural awareness helps to build a shared sense of community and culture among people with diverse backgrounds. Diversity and inclusion are crucial aspects of a strong and stable public service. Ultimately, this training reaffirms that Aboriginal values and partnerships are a key foundation piece for the GNWT, and guide program design and implementation in the spirit of recognition, respect and responsibility.

The four modules cover the importance of culture and cultural awareness – Aboriginal People of the Northwest Territories, History of the Northwest Territories from an Aboriginal Perspective – and present and future issues for Aboriginal people in the Northwest Territories.

The modules are made up of videos, photographs, artwork, stories, audio recordings and interactive activities designed to generate discussion. The training material is relevant, comprehensive and informative, and will promote an inclusive work environment through broadened cultural understanding. Businesses and community groups are welcome to use it if it meets their needs. The modules will be available starting on June 20th on

the Department of Human Resources website. Facilitated training sessions for GNWT employees in regional centres and Yellowknife are scheduled to start this fall.

Mr. Speaker, strengthening relationships with Aboriginal Governments is a priority of the 17th Legislative Assembly. Our recognition, respect and commitment for Aboriginal culture and values are strong.

Successful initiatives such as the launch of Aboriginal language apps, that were developed by Education, Culture and Employment in partnership with Yamozha Kue Society and the Dene Aboriginal language communities, to preserve and promote language use; the recent Traditional Games Championships highlighting Inuit and Dene traditional games; and the respected Take a Kid Trapping program introducing youth to traditional harvesting practices help all residents gain knowledge and understanding of Aboriginal values and practices.

This understanding helps strengthen our communities and governments as we work together to serve the interests of all NWT residents.

Mr. Speaker, the training was developed with the support and involvement of the Sahtu Secretariat Incorporated, Deninu K’ue First Nation, Smith’s Landing First Nation, Salt River First Nation, Yellowknives Dene First Nation in both Detah and Ndilo, and Lutsel K’e Dene First Nation. These Aboriginal organizations and governments, along with the Prince of Wales Heritage Museum, provided a significant amount of the audio and video material.

As well, members of the GNWT Aboriginal Employee Advisory Committee and employees from the Department of Aboriginal Affairs and Intergovernmental Relations provided valuable input and feedback throughout development.

Mr. Speaker, the GNWT is committed to promoting an inclusive work environment, increasing communication and improving working and personal relationships through broadened cultural understanding. As a government, we are also committed to ensuring that programs and services acknowledge and are inspired by NWT Aboriginal values and traditions, and that public servants can carry out their work guided by this philosophy. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 69-17(4): Aboriginal Cultural Awareness Training

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Mackenzie Delta , Mr. Blake .

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Gwich’in And Inuvialuit Support For Draft Devolution Final Agreement

Members’ Statements

Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to say a few words on behalf of the Gwich’in and Inuvialuit support of the draft Devolution Final Agreement. The Gwich’in and Inuvialuit people have called the land in the Northwest Territories

home. As a Gwich’in participant, I am proud to stand in this Legislature and say that the Gwich’in and Inuvialuit have a long history of living on the land. It is this history that proves that the Gwich’in and Inuvialuit have a rightful seat at the table when it comes time to decide how the Northwest Territories lands are used.

Devolution should not just bring more power to the Government of the Northwest Territories but it should empower the Aboriginal governments of the Northwest Territories.

In closing, I would like to commend our Premier , Mr. McLeod, and our team here for strengthening the working relationship with all Aboriginal governments in the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Gwich’in And Inuvialuit Support For Draft Devolution Final Agreement

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Nahanni Butte Flood Damage

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. Given the importance of the day here today, I still wish to fight on behalf of my communities and constituents.

I will be doing a statement on Nahanni Butte. It has been one year since the flood in Nahanni Butte but many services have not been restored, such as the store, public radio or the community dump. The main access road that was flooded last year, reconstructed this January, is no longer passable. Sides of the road are collapsing, and the sand fill that was used to repair the road is getting people’s vehicles stuck.

You may recall last October, when people were driving their trucks through the water and ice that was forming all over the sunken road. Once again, travelling is risky and it’s unreasonable to expect community members to take that risk. They cannot get to the river to travel to the other side. It is unsafe and unreliable as so many people are getting stuck. The road to the community dump was inaccessible again this spring due to a wet road that was never properly reconstructed. Now, as things dry out, the fine silt deposited by the flood produces

dust that is easily inhaled and can be a health hazard.

The government must move forward on plans to continue to reconstruct both the access road and the road to the dump. The longer we allow these issues to go unresolved, the more it will cost to fix the situation in the future. Solid waste disposal is a challenge in all of our remote communities and if the dump is inaccessible, it only makes matters worse.

With the access road in such poor condition, it is difficult for the community to rebuild, provide for itself and properly accommodate visitors. Last year the community was evacuated and people returned to the soggy remains of the place they were proud to call home. The community needs adequate resources to continue to support and rebuild. Nahanni Butte does not want to be forgotten again.

The community’s needs are important, especially a transportation link they are so proud of. The first priority is a reliable access road. From there they will be able to restock the store, repair the buildings, use the dump, tune into their radios, and make great progress on rebuilding this summer. Thank you.

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Nahanni Butte Flood Damage

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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NWT Track And Field Championships In Hay River

Members’ Statements

Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As we sit in here today, over 1,000 youth throughout the Northwest Territories are converging on Hay River at the 23rd Annual Track and Field.

There are 33 teams representing 16 communities. Obviously, Hay River, Yellowknife, Fort Simpson, Fort Smith, Nahanni Butte, Wrigley, Fort Good Hope, Rae-Edzo, Colville Lake, Fort Providence, Fort Res, Fort Liard, Jean Marie, Inuvik, Kakisa and Ndilo.

It is with great honour that we represent the Northwest Territories and host these youth. We wish them all the best of luck.

The youth are at different levels. Some are there just to have a good time and compete. Some of them are trying to set records. So, good luck to everybody and safe travels to everybody. Thank you.

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NWT Track And Field Championships In Hay River

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Education Reform

Members’ Statements

Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s high time we overhaul our education system in the North. I’m so glad that’s finally happening today.

The Minister has done a lot of public consultation that will go on throughout the summer. It is especially important that we listen to the small communities, both parents and leaders.

I want to talk about what is at stake. We’re talking about the future of our children, our future as a territory where our children have the skills and knowledge they will need to live well in this world. Will they have the tools to solve their own problems and create their own future?

Every one of us cares deeply about our residents back in our ridings at home and even here in Yellowknife. Our education needs overhauling. If left unchecked and have the attitude that it’s good enough, I say no. I believe our children are better than good enough.

A few years ago a study was done for Indian and Northern Affairs Canada, as it was called then, to show the financial benefits of improving the education of Aboriginal people. Here is what they found out. If an Aboriginal student reaches the same level as other students, benefits and savings would be huge. Huge! Over 20 years, tax revenue in the Northwest Territories would increase by $666 million. Savings in program spending would be about $1.2 billion. That is a $2 billion benefit, my friends, plus the improvement of many, many lives. That is the federal government talking, not me.

Our own government research shows that this is true. When we improve the education, we improve the people’s health and the cost of health care. We increase employment, we create business and jobs, reduce the number of children in the care of child and family services, we reduce family violence and all sorts of crimes. We save a lot in the justice and correctional system and this is good.

There are reasons we need to succeed in overhauling our education system. It must work well for everyone in the Northwest Territories and that means fixing it where it’s failing: in the small communities. I have said this for years and we have to do the right thing. Thank you.

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Education Reform

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . The Member for Weledeh , Mr. Bromley .

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Creation Of NWT Fine Arts School

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It’s time to take the next formal step in the development of our arts industry and culture through the creation of a professional fine arts school. As the Economic Opportunities Strategy report pointed out, people want increased government emphasis on the arts. The sector is broad-based, including literally thousands of producers in the NWT. It gives back huge multipliers in spending and employment, far higher than, for example, the oil and gas industry. People, and especially youth, prosper more fully in

all realms of life when they receive arts training. It makes better citizens.

Despite realization of the need to support the arts industry, our efforts to date have been piecemeal and unfocused. A fine arts school would establish the locus of artist excellence in the NWT. With major reductions in federal support for the arts, there is both a need and an opportunity to step in to fill this gap.

I’m talking about the creation of a formal, independent fine arts school, professionally run and affiliated with one of the major southern fine arts institutions such as Emily Carr School of Fine Arts or the Ontario College of Art and Design. It would need a residential capacity for students from communities attending courses and to house instructors from elsewhere. It could start as a summer school, progressively building programming and faculty.

We currently have a surge of vacant space coming forward in Yellowknife now with the Bellanca Building and the Department of Transportation and other government offices being vacated as they move to their new building downtown. Much of this space is in Weledeh, an ideal location for an institution.

We have an opportunity now to take action. Our first step would be carrying out a feasibility and marketing study. I’ll be pushing for that in our next round of business planning. We need to look at this not as a new cost to pay but as a new revenue to reap.

An arts school, no less than a trades school or college, is a factory for economic production and an incubator for new taxpayers. By pulling together and focusing our efforts, untapped artists across the territory would have access to professional development support, a place of excellence and inspiration.

Our artists are ready, willing and waiting. Mr. Speaker, I’ll be looking for Members’ support in carrying this board and getting this done. Mahsi.

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Creation Of NWT Fine Arts School

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Report Of The Auditor General Of Canada On The Northwest Territories Income Security Programs

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak to the Auditor General of Canada’s report on the Northwest Territories income security programs.

This audit identified systemic problems in the Department of Education, Culture and Employment in their delivery of core programs: Income

Assistance, Student Financial Assistance, the Senior Home Heating Subsidy, and the Child Care User Subsidy. A majority of files reviewed by the auditors did not comply with key legal and policy requirements for these four programs, 90 percent of the files in the case of income assistance. The Auditor General’s staff considered the errors were significant and said so in their report.

This government spends $30 million annually on income support programs. That’s just in the Department of ECE. That figure would be much higher if we considered the cost of all 16 subsidy programs to the government. But I digress.

The Auditor General of Canada’s report tells us that Education, Culture and Employment is failing to run these four programs properly. There were three key recommendations from the AG’s report: The lack of monitoring of programs, the need for more and better training for staff, and the lack of assessment for programs.

Is the $30 million we spend on these programs reaching the people who really need it? My experience with constituents suggests it is not. My experience suggests that income support staff try very hard, but they are not able to meet their clients’ needs.

Mr. Speaker, behind the numbers and statistics are real people who need help and who deserve respect. I’m talking about the Income Security Program staff and the Income Security clients. It’s very telling that the Department of ECE has a 50 percent annual turnover rate for client service officers. It indicates a work environment that is much less than optimum. It indicates a work environment where staff are not supported or assisted.

The Auditor General’s report points out that many client service officers struggle with vague program guidelines, a lack of monitoring and supervision, and inadequate training.

The report also called attention to client service officers’ caseloads which, in some cases, are more than 100 per month; overworked managers; and employees’ safety concerns. Such a staff cannot effectively serve their clients’ needs.

Thankfully, the department has accepted all of the Auditor General’s recommendations. In our meetings with them, ECE officials listened closely to the Members’ concerns, and they’ve told us they have started to act and will continue to act until the system is reformed. I certainly hope that is true. Only time will tell and Regular Members will be watching carefully. Thank you.

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Report Of The Auditor General Of Canada On The Northwest Territories Income Security Programs

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Member for Hay River South , Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Satellite Health Insurance Office In Hay River

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am going to follow up on something that was alluded to in my colleague from Hay River North, Mr. Bouchard ’s, Member’s statement when he was talking about the renewal of health care cards and the length of time it’s taking. I’m going to talk a little bit more about something he referred to at the end of his statement, and that is a satellite health insurance office for Hay River.

The division of heath care services located in Inuvik is called health services administration and has 22 positions that deal with health care card registrations, renewals, vital statistics, births, deaths, marriages, and ensured service benefits administration – for example, medical travel, extended health benefits for specific diseases, seniors benefits, Metis benefits, non-insured health benefits – and some of these benefits are partially administered by Alberta Blue Cross and are non-insured health benefits.

There are parties in Hay River, persons in Hay River that would like to see a satellite office for health care services located in Hay River. There are a large number of patients that come in from the Deh Cho and South Slave regions to attend medical appointments in Hay River, have testing done, blood work done, ultrasounds, mammograms, et cetera, and these patients would then have an opportunity to visit a health care office, health insurance office in Hay River rather than trying to contact the Inuvik office to file a claim or obtain assistance.

Inuvik is a very busy office, and it takes too long to respond to the claims and inquiries, and there have been numerous complaints about the time involved for waiting for claims to be processed and reimbursed. An office in Hay River could relieve that backlog and take the pressure off the Inuvik office. This would alleviate some of the waiting time and reduce the frustration of communicating long distance, as well as provide on-site communication with patients. Health insurance workers could meet face to face with patients, providing more effective and efficient services to clients.

The delays in receiving claims causes emotional and financial hardship on some people, especially seniors and small business who cannot afford to carry the cost in the interim. An office in Hay River could work directly with the people involved and provide efficiencies in the system.

Hay River is a large enough community that experienced and skilled staff could easily be recruited to such a satellite office. Opening an office in Hay River would also provide an economic benefit of the jobs that it would create. There are local businesses and much community support for

an office such as this to be opened in Hay River, and I want to say that I do believe in decentralization. I’m glad that the current office is in Inuvik, but we would like a small piece of that in Hay River.

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Satellite Health Insurance Office In Hay River

Members’ Statements

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . The Member for Inuvik Boot Lake , Mr. Moses .

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29th Anniversary Of The Inuvialuit Final Agreement

Members’ Statements

Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

The Inuvialuit Final Agreement was built in the hopes and hard work of the many involved, and its continued success is attributed to the ongoing dedication of the Inuvialuit. The IFA was the first comprehensive land claim agreement signed north of the 60th parallel, and only the second in Canada

at that time. Approved by the Canadian Parliament as the Western Arctic Claims Settlement Act, it took precedence over the acts inconsistent with it. The act was also protected under the Canadian Constitution, in that it cannot be changed by the Parliament without the approval of the Inuvialuit.

Today marks the 29th anniversary of the Inuvialuit

Final Agreement. I would like to take this time to wish the Inuvialuit people of Inuvik and throughout the Beaufort-Delta region, the NWT and Canada, a great day of celebrations and a happy Inuvialuit Day. I would also like to thank the Inuvialuit regional leadership for their ongoing commitment and the support to the development of the Beaufort-Delta region.

The Inuvialuit are a very integral part of what makes Inuvik Inuvik and the Beaufort-Delta what it is. They have a world-renowned dance group, world-renowned arctic sports demonstrators, and strong ambassadors that continue to meet at the international level. They have a culture that is thriving as we see both the youth and elders continue to practice traditional ways of life. They have a strong language program, and that is proven with the launching of the book “Taimani” in February of 2012, which illustrates the timeline of the history of the Inuvialuit, and actually goes to support the development of the Inuvialuit as a culture and society.

I am very proud and very honoured to stand in the House today to wish the Inuvialuit of the community of Inuvik and the Beaufort-Delta a very happy Inuvialuit Day and I wish them all the best in the

future. I wish them all successes that they are pursuing in the future, as well as greater achievements and successes in their future endeavours. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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29th Anniversary Of The Inuvialuit Final Agreement

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Before we continue on, colleagues, I’d like to welcome back former Member Sam Gargan, former MLA for Deh Cho; and Leon Lafferty, former Member for Monfwi . Welcome back to the House.

---Applause

Also, I’d like to welcome Yellowknives Dene First Nation Chief Eddie Sangris – welcome to the House, Eddie – Chief Clifford Daniels from Behchoko, our Grand Chief Eddie Erasmus, welcome. From the Tlicho, grand chief, and the Gwich’in Tribal Council vice-president Mr. Norman Snowshoe. Welcome to the House.

---Applause

The honourable Member for Range Lake , Mr. Dolynny .

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Access To Contracts Information

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Following that session, there was a series of e-mails from my office of Range Lake to Minister Abernethy ’s office asking for the right to review the construction contract for the building, the building schedules, amendments and, of course, the costs. What my office received from the Minister’s office was the following statement: “The Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act creates a mandatory exception to the public’s right to access information that could possibly harm the business interests of the contractors/businesses.

This mandatory exception does not allow public bodies the discretion to disclose such information, such as “completed copy” of a contract without undertaking a required third-party consultation with a contractor or business, as required by the act. As such, completed copies of contracts will not be distributed. If you are interested in an individual contract, please let me know and we will seek third-party consultation to release the contract as required under the act.”

Sorry, I thought I was an elected official of this government, and the people of Range Lake have

elected me to be a steward of the public purse and watch out for accountability and our government spending.

The plot thickens. My office received another statement from the Minister’s office and it said, “We have reviewed the act, and there is no exception that allows a public body to provide this information to an MLA without proceeding through the formal ATIPP application. As such, we are unable to provide copies of contracts without there being a formal ATIPP application on a specific contract. Should you have concerns about a specific contract, you can file an ATIPP application with the Department of Public Works and Services.”

Of course, I complied to the Minister’s request, and I had my office pay the fee for an ATIPP application with the Department of Public Works.

Well, on May 29, 2013, my office received a reply from the office of Public Works and Services and I was shocked to find the department wanted to charge me $1,477.75 to photocopy a whopping 1,992 pages of documents. All I can say is this is nothing more than a document dump and a ridiculous…

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Access To Contracts Information

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Mr. Dolynny , your time for your Member’s statement is concluded.

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Access To Contracts Information

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

---Unanimous consent granted

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Access To Contracts Information

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

…charge to ward off a Member of this government the right to get answers to simple questions and to protect the public purse.

Strangely enough, this is a recurrent theme that I as a Member see all too often when I assist constituents who want to gain access to information from this government. It almost appears that this government has a history of document dumping and fee shock to scare off would-be inquiries. This now appears to be the tactics used on an elected Member of this House.

I will be tabling, later today, my bill from the Department of Public Works and Services. Yes, I will have a few questions for the Minister later today. Thank you.

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Access To Contracts Information

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Nadli .

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World Environment Day 2013

Members’ Statements

Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Today is World Environment Day. It is the biggest and most widely celebrated day for positive environmental action. It is perhaps fitting that this day we chose to vote on a motion to support devolution on the management of public lands and resources from Canada to this government. I hope that this is a

sign of our strong determination to respect our land and environment.

We Dene people are part of the land, the land is part of us, it is integral to our lives. We thank the moose or caribou, it gives us life to feed us, to keep us strong and healthy. We thank the land for feeding the animals and for our safe travels on it. This is what the elders teach. The elders have also prophesized that the land would change, that the deer will come back, that water will be valuable, that the sun will get hotter. We have seen all of this happening.

In our lifetimes, the weather has turned much warmer, there is more rain, the pattern of caribou migrations have changed, and permafrost is melting. I guess it’s not permanent. We must be aware of all of these things as responsible stewards of the land. The elders teach us to be observant when we are out on the land. It is key to our survival and to the health of the land.

There are many pressures on our land today. We’re building roads to new mines; we have oil and gas development and pipelines; we’ve been called upon to allow fracking to spur the flow of oil and gas to the surface. We have to balance consultation and resource development. We have to make some hard decisions. We have to base them on good scientific knowledge and traditional knowledge. It is the only way we will succeed.

In the Deh Cho this has always been the goal of our land use plan. Twelve years ago and $6 million later, we should have more results. It is not easy to balance the wishes of industry and the elders’ advice for a sound, effective management system. If governments were more serious about it, we’d soon be able to implement a land use plan we could all be proud of.

On this World Environment Day, we should celebrate the good work we have done, but also recognize that we have much more to do. Our world’s environment depends on what we do every day. That is what the elders teach. Mahsi.

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World Environment Day 2013

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . I recognize Mr. Abernethy .

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Point Of Order

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to rise on a point of order based on rules of debate 23, subsections (

h) and (

i) with respect to the statement made by Mr. Dolynny .

Mr. Dolynny made reference to the fact that the department has encouraged him to submit an ATIPP request and has then filed or suggested that he’d have to pay some fees to get the information that he has.

Mr. Speaker, as MLAs and as Ministers we have to balance the rights to privacy versus the release of

information. In this particular case, the Member has been seeking, through the House and during debate in Committee of the Whole, a copy of a contract. We have an obligation to protect the rights of third-party interests in all situations, but in this particular situation, before information on a contract can be released, we would need to go to a third party to seek that additional information. We’ve encouraged the Member to do that. To date, we actually do not have a letter or an application from the MLA requesting this information.

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Point Of Order

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Do you have a point of order?

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Point Of Order

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

We do. The point of order is that the Member for Range Lake has suggested that we are impeding his ability to get detailed information to do his job. The fact is, we have encouraged the Member to submit an ATIPP request. The Member has not submitted an ATIPP request. We only have one ATIPP request on this information and it’s from a third party, from an individual who hasn’t identified himself to be working in any capacity with the MLA, and it has been from a home address, not a government address.

I’m concerned, Mr. Speaker, that the Member is suggesting that we are intentionally trying to keep information from him, which is not the case. We have rules, we have procedures, and I’ve encouraged the Member to follow them. I am waiting for the Member to follow them, and when the Member follows them, we will deal with them accordingly.

As far as fines as according to ATIPP, any person can ask to have the fees waived, and in this case nobody has asked for any fees to be waived. Thank you.

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Point Of Order

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . At this time I’m going to allow a little bit of debate on this point of order. Mr. Dolynny , would you like to respond to that point of order? Mr. Dolynny .

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Point Of Order

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today in defence of this point of order. The allegation that this request, this ATIPP request did not come from the office of Range Lake is absolutely absurd. Mr. Grant Pryznyk is a constituency assistant of mine and I think everyone in this House knows he is a constituency assistant of mine. He is the one who submitted the ATIPP request.

So the fact remains that this came from the office of Range Lake and the Minister is clearly aware of this. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Point Of Order

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . I will allow a little bit of discussion on the point of order. Mr. Hawkins .

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Point Of Order

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise in defence along the lines of Mr. Dolynny ’s request.

As we all know, two truths or two perspectives can lie before the House and both can be equally correct. They may not necessarily share the same view.

In order for Mr. Dolynny to discharge the duties and functions of his job, as highlighted under privilege under Beauchesne’s on page 11, this is part of the essence of getting to the facts and the details necessary for dialogue and discussion.

No documentation of this nature should be hidden from Members without confidential reasons. That alone should stand on its own merit and use at the most finest opportunity ever to defend why we don’t release things because of that.

So, Mr. Speaker, in short, I think there is no point of order on this one. Mr. Dolynny is executing his job, as I certainly understand he is. He’s reaching out under privilege in his ability to do his job. I think Beauchesne’s stands clearly on the record and says he has to execute that duty, and by asking for information denied by the Department of Public Works, even fettered by Public Works or delayed by Public Works, whatever the circumstances are, it’s stopping him from fulfilling that.

So I say Mr. Abernethy doesn’t have a point of order. Thank you.

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Point Of Order

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . Mr. Menicoche , to the point of order.

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Point Of Order

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. In speaking with Mr. Dolynny this morning and yesterday, he did show me documentation that actually was a response to his request, in fact asking him for money to get that information that we as MLAs are privileged to get. I don’t know what’s going on with our Legislature, but we should not be paying to get information from the Cabinet side. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Point Of Order

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . Mr. Miltenberger , to the point of order. Mr. Miltenberger has the floor.

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Point Of Order

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the issue is the Minister has risen on a point of order where he’s said the Member opposite was imputing motive contrary to our rules of order. We’re engaging in a debate over material not before the House, so the Speaker is going to be required to use all his skill to sort through what has transpired. The information we’ve seen was that the documents filed were by private individuals that didn’t identify themselves.

It’s a busy day today. Today is important for other things. I would suggest, Mr. Speaker, that we do our normal good work and carry on with the business of the House. Thank you.

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Point Of Order

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . At this time, I will close on this point of order and take

it under advisement and report back to the House tomorrow. Mr. Hawkins .

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Residential Tenancies Act

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Since 2008, that was the last time we saw any significant amendments to the Residential Tenancies Act. Five years later, so many more problems come forward, and we need, once again, to take a look at this serious issue.

I’ve stood on a few occasions to talk about my concerns about affordable rent protection and even enforcement from the rentals office and implement an order that they provide. As we all know, there are no rent controls in the Northwest Territories. To be clear, I’m not in favour of supporting the idea of rent controls per se, but I have spoken at length and continue to support reasonable rent accommodations, and I’d also say tenants need protection.

There’s a necessity to go back and look at this particular problem as well as several other issues under the Residential Tenancies Act. Living somewhere is not a luxury; it is a necessity. If the everyday working family is priced out of the market, something is wrong.

I think there’s an occasion here before us to open up and have some good discussion both with landlords and tenants to find out what’s working. I’ve spoken previously about setting up a framework where we set limits of what they can continue to raise, and if they need more money – the landlord that is – then they come back and have a dialogue. It could work something like the PUB right now.

Other issues I’ve raised, and I continue to see problems here, is some landlords have bad tenants and they cannot evict them, and the process seems to stall while these tenants don’t pay rent and cause further problems. Again, that’s only one side. That’s not the whole picture, but I think reviewing the Residential Tenancies Act is a chance to get both sides into the issue, create fairness and ensure that we are listening.

The last issue I want to raise about problems under the Residential Tenancies Act that need to be looked at is the fact that, look, we had problems with the rental office. They can issue an order but it has no teeth. We saw that last year, and we have a situation, is the big guy, or the landlord, may be fully funded to be able to go fight these with lawyers, but the little guy who’s trying to defend what they perceive as an injustice, it’s almost like mounting a hopeless cause some day. Then when you do get an order issued by the rentals and tenancies office, nothing happens because the big guy can ignore it.

In short, I think the Residential Tenancies Act needs to be reviewed, and I will be asking the Minister of Justice to look at this very matter in detail later today.

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Residential Tenancies Act

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. McLeod.

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29th Anniversary Of The Inuvialuit Final Agreement

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Along with my colleague from Inuvik Boot Lake, I want to stand today to recognize the 29th anniversary of the Inuvialuit land claim. The signing of the land claim was a historic moment back in 1984, and I think we owe our gratitude to the people that negotiated, the Committee of Original Peoples Entitlement, or COPE as it was called back in the day. They did a lot of good work in leading up to this.

Since the signing of the agreement, the Inuvialuit have worked hard to play a very important role in the economy, and I think there’s no better example than when you go through the Inuvialuit Regional Corporation office in Inuvik and you see all the folks that are employed along with many of the subsidiary companies that many, many of the people there are employed. It was a good first step to self-sufficiency and it gave us a better ability to control what goes on in the Inuvialuit land.

The Inuvialuit land claim covers thousands of square kilometres. I don’t know what people realize, but what I just learned lately is that much of this, a good portion of this is put aside for conservation, and if there’s any industry or any work to be done on the land, then the Inuvialuit have the deciding factor in whether work is going to happen on there or not, which I think is huge. It’s not going to be decided for us.

They’re also in the process of negotiating a self-government agreement. I was just texted some pictures from up in Inuvik, and it’s wet and it’s snowing up there, but they’re still having a great celebration out on the main road. Nothing dampens the spirits of the people of Inuvik and the Inuvialuit. They’ll dance through any kind of weather.

I would like to pass on my personal congratulations to the Inuvialuit. Like many of the people up in the Beau-Del that are both Inuvialuit and Gwich’in, I think we’re all very proud of our heritage, and we look forward to the good work that these folks are going to be doing in the future, and we look forward to being the beneficiaries of that good work. I think we owe a great deal of gratitude to all the people that came before us, paved the way for much of the Inuvialuit-Gwich’in leadership today.

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29th Anniversary Of The Inuvialuit Final Agreement

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Congratulations To Tu Nedhe Recipients Of 2013 Premier’s Award Of Excellence

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mahsi cho, Mr. Speaker. I just wanted to congratulate a few people on the Premier ’s Awards that were given out this morning in the Great Hall, people that originate from Tu Nedhe: Danny Beaulieu – my brother, actually – and Heather Beck for their work in the anthrax breakout; Felix Lockhart for his work in the residential school impacts; and also Justin Bailey and Everett McQueen for their work with young people.

I also want to take this opportunity to congratulate Jonas and Violet Beaulieu of Fort Resolution who celebrated their 60th anniversary on May 19th in Fort

Resolution.

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Congratulations To Tu Nedhe Recipients Of 2013 Premier’s Award Of Excellence

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of very important visitors that I want to recognize. From the Tlicho: Grand Chief Eddie Erasmus and his wife, Frances Erasmus; Chief Clifford Daniels; Bertha Rabesca-Zoe, legal counsel with the Tlicho; former chief, Leon Lafferty. From the Gwich’in: vice-president Norman Snowshoe and Jozef Carnogursky. From the Akaitcho: Chief Edward Sangris, Roy Erasmus, former chief Peter Liske. Also, I want to recognize former Lapointe Hall student Sam Gargan. From the Northwest Territories Chamber of Commerce: president Kathy Gray and executive director Mike Bradshaw.

I also want to recognize the Government of the Northwest Territories devolution team that were the recipients of the Premier ’s Award this morning: Martin Goldney, chief negotiator; Mark Salvor, Tara Naugler, James Fulford, Ian Blackstock, Dr. Hal Gereine, Hugh Richardson, Peter Bannon and Penny Ballantyne. As well, I want to recognize Rick Edjericon, the chair of the Mackenzie Valley Environmental Impact Review Board, and Willard Hagen, the chair of the Mackenzie Valley Land and Water Board.

Of course, I have to recognize two very important ladies in my life, my wife, Melody McLeod, and partner for over 40 years, and Darlene Mandeville, my constituency assistant for Yellowknife South. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Lafferty .

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, it gives me also great pleasure to recognize my constituents from the Monfwi region. First and foremost is Grand Chief Eddie Erasmus and also Chief Clifford Daniels that are here with us, leaders of the region. Clifford Rabesca-Zoe, Frances Erasmus, aka Goolie, and former chief Leon Lafferty is here with us as well and also Mike Wetrade. I would like to welcome them to the Assembly. Mahsi.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize some residents of Inuvik. Norm Snowshoe has been recognized as vice-president of the Gwich’in Tribal Council; Mr. Jozef Carnogursky from Inuvik. Welcome to the Assembly. Mavis Jacobson still from Inuvik and is here in Yellowknife temporarily, and Mr. Willard Hagen, a constituent of Inuvik Twin Lakes and just in Yellowknife temporarily, I hope. I would also like to recognize Mrs. McLeod. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. McLeod. Mr. Abernethy .

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize a constituent of the Great Slave riding, Mr. Parker Kennedy. Parker is a valued member of the Department of Justice team including the community of justice and policing division and currently a special advisor to the assistant deputy minister/solicitor general. He is retiring at the end of the month. He is a commissioned officer at the RCMP with more than 30 years of service including inspector of the northern region. He has devoted his life to the service for his country and was recently recognized with a Diamond Jubilee medal. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize, in the visitors gallery today, a resident of Hay River South, Mr. Jack Rowe, a businessman in Hay River and the president of the Rowe’s Group of Companies, who employs not only in Hay River where they are based but also a large number of people in the South Slave. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mrs. Groenewegen . Mr. Dolynny .

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Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Mr. Speaker, I rise today and I would like to welcome all the distinguished guests here in the gallery and also to our signatories of the Devolution Agreement. I would also like to welcome two residents from the riding of Range Lake. I have Mr. David Wasylcin here and I have Mr. Kim Poulter. Thank you for joining us.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Mr. Bouchard .

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Ralph Sanquez, one of my constituents. I would also like to recognize Jack Rowe, resident of Hay River, and also Nicole Latour, former resident of Hay River and her mom is a constituent. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I am still spotting residents of Weledeh here, but one that really caught my eye was, in fact, my wife, Marianne.

---Laughter

It is great to see you in the House. I would also like to recognize Chief Eddie Sangris and past chief Peter Liske, who are in the House today from Weledeh. Also Rick Edjericon has been mentioned. Welcome, Rick. Mike Byrne is here today. I think I saw Greg Loftus up there, Baptiste Foisey, Andrew Robinson and I would like to especially recognize Suzette Montreuil, not from Weledeh, but I know she’s a super worker on behalf of the public interest and welcome to all. It’s great to see folks in the House today. Mahsi.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . Ms. Bisaro .

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have to recognize a couple of Frame Lake constituents, one of whom Mr. Bromley is trying to steal. Welcome to Ms. Suzette Montreuil; welcome to Mr. George Lessard. I’d like to welcome all the dignitaries who are here today in the House and if there are my constituents behind me who I can’t see, I’d like to officially welcome them as well. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . Mr. Nadli .

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Michael Nadli

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to welcome all the guests that are here. In particular I’d like to recognize former Speaker, MLA, chief and grand chief, Mr. Sam Gargan from Fort Providence; also, Arthur Elleze and Russell Elleze as well.

I’d like to also highlight the two Pages who have been here throughout this week. Ms. Christina Bonnetrouge is 15 years old and in Grade 9. This fall she will be in high school, Grade 10, and her favour subjects are math, language arts and gym. During her spare time she can be found reading, writing or playing on her guitar. Her favourite sport is badminton. This summer she may take

part in a badminton tournament that will be held in Saskatoon, the Canada Aboriginal Badminton Tournament. There they will have Olympic athletes that will be training them before the tournament. She’s very outgoing with sports, committed to her school, working as a career goal set for herself that she wants to be a nurse or a physiologist. Also, at the same time, I’d like to recognize Mr. Anthony James Betsaka, who is also a Page from Fort

Providence. Anthony is 14 years old. He is in Grade 8 at Deh Gah Elementary and Secondary School in Fort Providence. He likes math. He’s very quiet and shy, and he likes to spend a lot of his time with his family. He’s into games and challenges himself with all kinds of Lego.

I’d also like to recognize, this morning, the Premier ’s Award for Excellence, the team category. Congratulations to all recipients of the Premier ’s Awards that occurred this morning, particularly the Anthrax Emergency Response Team from the Deh Cho, Fort Providence: Danny Beaulieu, renewable resource officer III, Edward Landry, renewable resource officer II and also Tommy Matto, regional fire technician with ENR. Mahsi.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Nadli . Mr. Moses .

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Alfred Moses

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It gives me great pleasure to welcome and recognize Norman Snowshoe, who is the vice-president of the Gwich’in Tribal Council; Jozef Carnogursky, the president of the Nihtat Gwich’in Council; Willard Hagen, who has worn many hats over the years and has been very influential in how our government’s informed, and with the Gwich’in Tribal Council as well; constituent Mavis Jacobson. I’d also like to welcome the devolution team who’s done a lot of excellent work, and especially during consultations up in Inuvik, and any of the other leaders that are joining us today. Welcome, and I hope you enjoy the proceedings.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Moses . Mr. Blake .

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Frederick Blake Jr.

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to recognize vice-president Norm Snowshoe, also Jozef Carnogursky, president of the Nihtat Gwich’in Council. Also, former president Willard Hagen and all the other Aboriginal governments here today. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Blake . Mr. Yakeleya .

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to also recognize Rick Edjericon and Willard Hagen. I’d also like to recognize Nicole Latour, Chief Electoral Officer. I’d like to recognize the other governments who are here. Grand Chief Eddie Erasmus and Grand Chief Gargan, all the other chiefs, Chief Sangris, Chief Clifford Daniels, and I’d also like to recognize Mrs. Bertha Rabesca, former MLA Leon Lafferty, and I’d like to recognize vice-president Norman Snowshoe and Jozef Carnogursky, Mavis Jacobson, and also a good friend of the people in the Sahtu, Parker Kennedy. I’d also like to recognize an old hockey player, Peter Liske. He was a pretty good hockey player in those days. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Mr. Ramsay .

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I, too, would like to recognize all the distinguished guests, the chiefs and others that we have in the gallery today. I wanted to specifically recognize Ms. Kathy Gray, president of the Northwest Territories Chamber of Commerce, and executive director Mr. Mike Bradshaw for all the work that they helped in contributing to the Economic Opportunities Strategy

As well, I wanted to thank the devolution team, Martin Goldney, Penny Ballantyne and the rest of the staff that have put in such a great effort in getting us the deal that we’ve got. Thank you.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . I also would like to welcome here today my son Mitchell, my daughter Kirstin, and my oldest daughter, Chelsey, who’s back from Texas.

I would also like to welcome my sister Mavis Jacobson, Ms. Melody McLeod, the Premier ’s wife, and Mrs. Bromley . It’s always good to see our other halves, our Members’ wives here in the House supporting their husbands. Their better halves.

Item 6, acknowledgements. The Member for Hay River North , Mr. Bouchard .

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Acknowledgement 5-17(4): 2013 Premier’s Award - Ralph Sanquez

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Robert Bouchard

Hay River North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to acknowledge Ralph Sanguez, who received the 2013 Premier ’s Individual Award. He’s a hardworking employee for MACA, a strong representative of our local fire department, and soon to be a proud father. I’d like to wish him and Shannon good luck with the birth of their child.

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Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bouchard . The Member for Sahtu , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Acknowledgement 6-17(4): 2013 Premier’s Award – Colville Lake Tommy Kochon Airport Team

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Norman Yakeleya

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to congratulate the Colville Lake Tommy Kochon Airport Team for the 2013 Premier ’s Award of Excellence today. The Tommy Kochon Airport was officially opened on October 9, 2012, and was a significant gain for the people in Colville Lake. I applaud the people of Colville Lake and their leaders in their hard work and dedication towards their community. This award is well deserved.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Yakeleya . Item 7, oral questions. Mr. Bromley .

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Question 308-17(4): Conocophillips Application Concerning Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

Oral Questions

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is for the Minister of ENR , the Minister of Environment . I’d like to follow up on questions I had the other day about fracking.

In the unedited Hansard of June 3rd , on page 24,

Minister Miltenberger said we are of the opinion that if, in fact, ConocoPhillips complies with everything that they’ve promised plus the extensive list of mitigating factors put forward by GNWT, this project could proceed, other than meeting those commitments by ConocoPhillips and addressing the concerns raised that we have supplied to the Sahtu Land and Water Board.

Conoco did not, in fact, agree to address many of the options raised by the GNWT. In fact, in the areas of technology, options for burning waste, gases, air emissions, assessment and screening level modeling, groundwater and surface water protection are very key areas for environmental protection, and as I know, dear to the Minister’s heart. Accordingly, the Minister’s faith in Conoco was unwarranted. So will the Minister adjust his opinion based on the facts clearly on record?

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Bromley . The Minister of Environment and Natural Resources , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a process underway. The Member has raised some concerns. He has a different point of view than we do as a government, so we’ll have to agree to disagree on that particular issue.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

I’m not sure if the Minister is saying that this is, in fact, incorrect. I’m sure, in fact, that these are facts. They are contrary to what the Minister has said, and that’s my point.

Could I get clarity on what the Minister is saying here? Clearly, his statements were wrong, as per the record, as this is on record to be available at the touch of a button here. Is the Minister saying he’s not willing to adjust his opinion in the face of contrary facts?

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Question 308-17(4): Conocophillips Application Concerning Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

We have submitted the position of the territorial government. We have reviewed the application from

ConocoPhillips. Those are the two facts that I put on the record yesterday.

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

There were additional facts that the Minister put forward, and I’m quoting verbatim from the unedited Hansard here. The Minister also said that there was a big distinction between the MGM application and ConocoPhillips. The Minister said, “The ConocoPhillips application is very comprehensive. It covers a whole host of areas, which is one of the reasons there was a different decision made by the Sahtu Land and Water Board when they looked at the MGM proposal. It didn’t have the same depth and level of comprehensiveness as the ConocoPhillips one does.”

Well, in fact, there were others interested. The Sahtu Renewable Resources Board, for example, renewable resources councils, and they actually did a line-by-line comparison, and in fact, there were very few improvements to the Conoco application, but they are equally bad on a number of important points. Conoco certainly had a lot more effort in making friends inside and outside the region, and perhaps that’s good…(inaudible)…but unless by depth and level of comprehensiveness that Minister Miltenberger means the application had more nice pictures, it was longer and had a better explanation of Fracking 101, then the application does not provide any more.

Again, will the Minister look into these facts, which are contrary to what he said in the House, and consider adjusting his opinion to the protection of the public interest?

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The information I provided to the House was accurate. The Member is quoting

chapter and verse from some document, some feedback he’s providing this House that I don’t have before me, and of course, we always check when there are issues raised by the Members and they query the actions of government and they ask us to double check. Of course, we’ll do that.

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Question 308-17(4): Conocophillips Application Concerning Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Final, short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’m glad to finally get that commitment. These are the Minister’s words, and the record. The vast improvement in the application, as the Minister claimed, doesn’t hold up. The conditions that the Minister suggested would be adopted by ConocoPhillips and the Sahtu Land…(inaudible)…don’t hold up.

What action does the Minister see is needed here in light of these facts to protect the public interest, the clean air, water, and health of the wildlife and their habitat that this Minister is responsible for? I’m looking for accountability here.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

What we have is a lot of assertions and opinions by the Member. He says they’re facts. He asked me to check. We’ll check.

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Question 308-17(4): Conocophillips Application Concerning Hydraulic Fracturing (Fracking)

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 309-17(4): Flood Damage And Restoration In Nahanni Butte

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. During my Member’s statement I raised many of the issues in Nahanni Butte that haven’t been completely restored or repaired in the community of Nahanni Butte as a result of the flood. I know that through MACA they have established a flood committee to address their concerns, but I would like to ask the Minister today what committee or process is in place to continue the community restoration one year after the flood.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Menicoche . The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. McLeod.

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Question 309-17(4): Flood Damage And Restoration In Nahanni Butte

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is right; there was a flood committee we had made. All the claims have come in and the recommended compensation. We have submitted a claim to Canada for reimbursement under their Disaster Assistance Program.

As far as the committee that’s together now to do the rest of the work, I don’t think there’s a committee per se. It’s probably the individual departments now working with the community.

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Question 309-17(4): Flood Damage And Restoration In Nahanni Butte

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I was very happy to be in Nahanni Butte for my spring visit there, and the community has advised me that the damages are still there. There is some work that hasn’t been done. The dump road. They’re going to have to look at increasing dust control and the cost for trying to get the radio station up and running. Those are the issues.

I’d like to ask the MACA Minister if he or his officials can meet with the community, because they’re looking at their own resources to repair these when, in fact, it should be under the purview of MACA and the Disaster Fund.

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Question 309-17(4): Flood Damage And Restoration In Nahanni Butte

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

I will commit to the Member that we will have our officials meet with the leadership in Nahanni Butte to identify some of the work that still needs to happen. As well, the other departments. I know DOT is doing some work on their portion of it. I will make that commitment to the Member that we will get our officials in there to work with the leadership. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 309-17(4): Flood Damage And Restoration In Nahanni Butte

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I am thankful for the Minister’s commitment. If he can also work with the Department of Transportation, because there is

road access issues and, as well, it will probably be the same type of gravel that they need for the community, as well, if he can do that. Thank you.

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Question 309-17(4): Flood Damage And Restoration In Nahanni Butte

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Robert C. McLeod

Inuvik Twin Lakes

Mr. Speaker, we will work with the other department to see what assistance that we may be able to provide to the community, and I will commit to the Member that we will do that. Thank you.

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Question 309-17(4): Flood Damage And Restoration In Nahanni Butte

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The honourable Member for Yellowknife Centre , Mr. Hawkins .

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Question 310-17(4): Residential Tenancies Act

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In my Member’s statement today, I cited concerns with the Residential Tenancies Act, so I think we could probably dispose of my question very quickly if the Minister is agreeable to a review of the act.

Specifically, I highlighted concerns about fair rental protection measures for hardworking families, a rental officer office that has very little authority or teeth to be able to enforce. The Minister needs to call forward a discussion group between landlords and advocates, to ensure that processes work better when it comes to things like evictions or compromises.

The last issue I want to highlight, complaints that are brought forward to the rentals officer. Quite often the complainants have zero support and are left at an unfair advantage when they do take their courses of action against landlords.

Citing all four of those concerns plus many more I’m sure I can provide today, would the Minister of Justice be willing to open up the Residential Tenancies Act for review and call for some public discussion from groups that should be involved in the evolution and certainly in the creation of a better, stronger act? Thank you.

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Question 310-17(4): Residential Tenancies Act

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Hawkins . The honourable Minister of Justice , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 310-17(4): Residential Tenancies Act

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In response to the annual report of the rental officer and questions raised in the House, the department undertook a review of the act through a contractor here in Yellowknife, and information about the review and the issues that were brought up were shared with the Standing Committee on Social Programs in December 2012. The review is based on a series of interviews as well as examinations and other discussions with individuals who had concerns about the Residential Tenancies Act.

Initial consultation work is underway and is going to be completed soon. We expect that we’ll be coming forward with an LP to standing committee in the fall to make revisions to the Residential Tenancies Act.

There are eight core issues that have been identified in the report that we’ll be dealing with: securing a tenure in public housing, application of the act to transitional housing, enforcement of orders, unofficial occupants, conversion to public housing, retention of the inspection report, and consistency with the Condominium Act and tenants’ liability and domestic violence. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 310-17(4): Residential Tenancies Act

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, that is certainly good news. The issue I think I didn’t hear the Minister speak to is protection for renters. Is there a chance to look at opportunities to create some type of rent protection measure?

As we all know, the act allows landlords to raise the rent once a year, only on that anniversary, but the problem with that is they could raise it to any amount. If your rent is $2,000 and they say, well, let’s raise it to $5,000, which is something legally we can’t stop them from doing, we need to put a check and safety valve on this process. That is what I’m asking for.

Would the Minister be willing to look at that issue and consider it in the update? Thank you.

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Question 310-17(4): Residential Tenancies Act

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, it is an interesting point. We certainly are willing to have discussion with committee as we bring the LP forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 310-17(4): Residential Tenancies Act

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, maybe just one more on the issue of helping complainants bring forward their cause or concerns. When they go to the rental tenancy office, if they are fighting a landlord, quite often, not always, the landlord is well resourced and able to hire a lawyer to fight their perspective, but the little guy or gal who is fighting their cause, for various reasons is under-resourced, and we want a fair hearing.

Would the Minister be willing to look at that type of fairness and find some way to see how we can find our way through this problem? Thank you.

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Question 310-17(4): Residential Tenancies Act

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Great Slave

Glen Abernethy

Minister of Justice

Mr. Speaker, it is an interesting concept. We are certainly willing to have that discussion with the committee as we bring the LP forward. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 310-17(4): Residential Tenancies Act

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Item 8, written questions. Item 9, returns to written questions. Item 10, replies to opening address. Item 11, petitions. Item 12, reports of standing and special committees. Item 13, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 14, tabling of documents. Mr. Lafferty .

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Tabled Document 90-17(4): NWT Arts Strategy Progress Report As Of March 31, 2013 Tabled Document 91-17(4): Right From The Start: A Framework For Early Childhood Development In The NWT

Tabling of Documents

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following two documents, entitled “NWT Arts Strategy Progress Report as of March 31, 2013,” and “Right From the Start: A Framework for Early Childhood Development in the Northwest Territories.” Mahsi.

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Tabled Document 90-17(4): NWT Arts Strategy Progress Report As Of March 31, 2013 Tabled Document 91-17(4): Right From The Start: A Framework For Early Childhood Development In The NWT

Tabling of Documents

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Mr. Abernethy .

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Tabled Document 92-17(4): Public Works And Services Energy Conservation Projects Annual Report 2012-2013

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following document, entitled “Public Works and Services Energy Conservation Projects Annual Report, 2012-2013.” Thank you.

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Tabled Document 92-17(4): Public Works And Services Energy Conservation Projects Annual Report 2012-2013

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Abernethy . Mr. Miltenberger .

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Tabled Document 93-17(4): List Of Interactivity Transfers Exceeding $250,000 For The Period April 1, 2012, To March 31, 2013

Tabling of Documents

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. [Microphone turned off] 32-1(2) of the Financial Administration Act, I wish to table the following document, entitled “List of Interactivity Transfers Exceeding $250,000 for the Period April 1, 2012, to March 31, 2013.” Thank you.

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Tabled Document 93-17(4): List Of Interactivity Transfers Exceeding $250,000 For The Period April 1, 2012, To March 31, 2013

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Tabling of documents. Mr. Dolynny .

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Tabled Document 94-17(4): Excerpt From Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Act (Atipp) Tabled Document 95-17(4): E-Mails Regarding Atipp Request On Yellowknife Office Building Contract Tabled Document 96-17(4): Public Works And Services Invoice For Atipp Request On Yellowknife Office Bui

Tabling of Documents

Daryl Dolynny

Range Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table three documents today, the first of which is a copy of the Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act, the

section where I’ve highlighted regarding the access to information as a Member of this House. Second item, I have a series of e-mails from my office of Range Lake to the office of Minister Abernethy , which deal with the requests and the ATIPP questions regarding the access to information of the Yellowknife downtown construction of the building. The third item is a copy of a bill for Access to Information and Protection of Privacy Act in request of such information. Thank you.

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Tabled Document 94-17(4): Excerpt From Access To Information And Protection Of Privacy Act (Atipp) Tabled Document 95-17(4): E-Mails Regarding Atipp Request On Yellowknife Office Building Contract Tabled Document 96-17(4): Public Works And Services Invoice For Atipp Request On Yellowknife Office Bui

Tabling of Documents

The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. Dolynny . Item 15, notices of motion. Item 16, notices of motion for first reading of bills. We’ll take a 10-minute recess.

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Order. Item 17, motions. The honourable Premier , Mr. McLeod.

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Motion 17-17(4): Support For The Approval Of The NWT Lands And Resources Devolution Agreement, Carried

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Yellowknife South

Bob McLeod

Premier

WHEREAS the transfer of responsibility from Canada to the Government of the Northwest Territories for public lands and resources, including rights in respect of water, has been an objective of this Legislative Assembly;

AND

WHEREAS residents of the Northwest Territories have been informed of and engaged on the subject of the proposed Northwest Territories Lands and Resources Devolution Agreement;

AND

WHEREAS the devolution of public lands and resources, including the rights in respect of water, is an important step in the political evolution of the Northwest Territories, with significant implications for both the legislative and executive branches of the Government of the Northwest Territories;

NOW THEREFORE I MOVE, seconded by the honourable Member for Hay River South , that this Legislative Assembly express its support for the approval of the Northwest Territories Lands and Resources Devolution Agreement.

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Motion 17-17(4): Support For The Approval Of The NWT Lands And Resources Devolution Agreement, Carried

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The motion is in order. To the motion. Mr. McLeod.

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Motion 17-17(4): Support For The Approval Of The NWT Lands And Resources Devolution Agreement, Carried

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to introduce this motion seeking the support of the Legislative Assembly for the approval of the Northwest Territories Lands and Resources Devolution Agreement. We are here today because we want to seek clear direction from the Legislative Assembly on this question and we will respect the wishes of this House. This is not simply a symbolic motion. We would not have brought forward this motion today if we did not want Members’ support.

When I joined the Prime Minister and the leaders of the Aboriginal governments in this Chamber in March to announce that we had successfully concluded devolution negotiations, I made a commitment to bring this agreement to the floor of this House for approval. We have not done this for other devolution from Canada before and we did not have to do that for this devolution, but we recognize that this is an important agreement, Mr. Speaker.

This agreement has the potential to transform the economy of the Northwest Territories, create a future of opportunity and prosperity for all people, give us new tools to manage our environment and help us forge new partnerships with this territory’s Aboriginal governments.

An agreement this significant deserves some attention from the people of the Northwest Territories and from the Members of this Assembly that are elected to represent them and their interests.

We have done our public engagement, Mr. Speaker. We have consulted the territory’s Aboriginal governments. The agreement-in-principle has been publicly available for more than a year and a draft agreement has been available since negotiations have been concluded in March.

Devolution has been a goal of this and previous Legislative Assemblies for many years. When we first met as a Caucus in October 2011, we identified devolution as one of our priorities. We have debated it on the floor of this House many times. We have spent years in negotiations. Now it is time to reap the rewards of that hard work and effort. We have a deal, Mr. Speaker. It is a good deal that creates a solid foundation for a prosperous future.

I am proud of this agreement and I am proud to be able to bring it to Members today to seek the support of this House. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Motion 17-17(4): Support For The Approval Of The NWT Lands And Resources Devolution Agreement, Carried

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The Speaker

Jackie Jacobson

Thank you, Mr. McLeod. The seconder of the motion, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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