Debates of Sept. 29th, 1992

This is page numbers 1147 - 1190 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

International Translation Day

Hon. N. Cournoyea's Comments In News/north

New Airport Runway In Lac La Martre

Victim Impact Statement Pilot Project

Employment Of Local People In Highway Construction

Unincorporated Communities In Nahendeh

Question O870-12(2): Status Of N.W.T. Transportation Strategy

Question O871-12(2): Aboriginal Peoples' Participation In The Public Service Unions

Question O872-12(2): Availability Of Future H.a.p. Housing

Question O873-12(2): Contaminated Greenland Sharks

Question O874-12(2): Board Of Inquiry Terms Of Reference

Question O875-12(2): Extension Of Victims Impact Statement Program

Question O876-12(2): Departmental Officials Seconded To Health Boards

Question O877-12(2): Transfer Of Social Assistance Responsibility

Question O878-12(2): Relocation Of Lake Harbour Airstrip

Question O879-12(2): Rural And Remote Program

Question O880-12(2): Surveys For Relocation Of Lake Harbour Airstrip

Question O881-12(2): Emergency Repair Program

Question O882-12(2): Amendments To Principally Engaged Policy

Question O883-12(2): Marketing Potential For Baffin In-shore Fishery

Question O884-12(2): Akaitcho Hall Management And Procedural Review

Question O885-12(2): Compliance With College Of Physicians Terms Of Reference

Question O886-12(2): Names Whose Student Loans Were Written Off

Question O887-12(2): Student Loans Written Off

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Tabled Document 100-12(2) "a Proposed Private Member's Public Bill" To Amend The Liquor Act

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Adopt Recommendation No. 1 Of Committee Report 18-12(2)

To Adopt Recommendation No. 2 Of Committee Report 18-12(2)

To Adopt The Legal Text Of The Consensus Report Be Presented To The Assembly

To Adopt Recommendation No. 3 Of Committee Report 18-12(2)

Bill 31:

An Act To Amend The Student Financial Assistance Act

Bill 31:

An Act To Amend The Young Offenders Act

Bill 9:

An Act To Amend The Insurance Act

Item 19: Report Of The Committee Of The Whole

Revert Back To Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Hon. James Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Mr. Bernhardt , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Hon. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Pudluk , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good morning. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Arvaluk .

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Minister's Statement 100-12(2): International Translation Day

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Mr. Speaker, September 30 is International Translation Day, a day set aside to recognize the valuable contributions interpreter/communicators make to our society. This day is also recognized at the national level, and is observed in the Northwest Territories by the Interpreter/Translator Society of the N.W.T.

The work of interpreter/communicators has special significance for us here in the Northwest Territories. Our northern society is made up of a number of very distinct cultural groups. Clear communication is essential if we are to understand each other's views of the world, as well as our goals and aspirations.

We are fortunate to have a strong group of well-trained, professional interpreter/communicators who help us communicate effectively. At this point, I would like to express my appreciation for the important role all of the N.W.T.'s interpreters/communicators play in helping us understand each other better. I would particularly like to thank the staff of the Language Bureau for their dedication. Whether these people work in headquarters or the regions, they put in long hours all year round, especially while this Legislative Assembly is in session. Without their assistance, our government would have a very difficult time in working to meet the goals of northerners.

To give us all a better idea of the skills needed to be an interpreter/communicator, and the role translation plays in the north, the Language Bureau is celebrating National Translation Day with an open house. It will be held tomorrow, September 30, from 10:00 a.m. to noon, on the third floor of the Laing Building.

There will be simultaneous interpreting demonstrations and aboriginal languages displays. I would like to invite you all to join us celebrating National Translation Day. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

---Applause

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Minister's Statement 100-12(2): International Translation Day

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Nerysoo .

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Hon. N. Cournoyea's Comments In News/north

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I want to raise a number of concerns. I will probably be going over my allotted time. I want to indicate, Mr. Speaker, that there were comments that had been attributed to the Government Leader , in the September 7, 1992, edition of News/North, that could be interpreted as indicative of inconsistency in the application of policies.

The news

article states that Ms. Cournoyea indicated publicly that the people of Tuktoyaktuk, Nunakput, should have been told a man who was carrying the A.I.D.S. virus was returning to their community. This conflicts with the position taken in November 1988, when Ms. Cournoyea was Minister of Health , regarding disclosure to the communities, or even regions, when two individuals with A.I.D.S. had been reported.

The position attributed to Ms. Cournoyea in the News/North

article also conflicts with the existing establishment policy in the Department of Health.

Section 2(a)(ii) of the Government of the Northwest Territories policy manual states, "only the executive council has the authority to approve major change to a department establishment policy."

As senior Minister of the Executive Council, the Government Leader signs each establishment policy. On January 10, 1989, the former Government Leader , the honourable Dennis Patterson signed a Health establishment policy which stated, "in the absence of N.W.T. regulations or guidelines, recognized Canadian standards shall be maintained" with respect to the delivery of health services.

A similar policy was also in effect in 1988. When Ms. Cournoyea was the Minister of Health , she was asked by Mr. Arlooktoo, at that time the Member of the Legislative Assembly for Baffin South, on November 7, 1988, to confirm radio reports that two H.I.V...

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Nerysoo , your allotted time has expired.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to seek unanimous consent to proceed with my statement.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent to continue. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed please, Mr. Nerysoo .

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I will begin with that paragraph again. Thank you, my honourable colleagues. When Ms. Cournoyea was the Minister of Health , she was asked by Mr. Arlooktoo, who was the Member for the Legislative Assembly for Baffin south, on November 7, 1988, to confirm radio reports that two cases of A.I.D.S. had been reported in the Baffin region.

Mr. Speaker, she refused to do so and stated, "I cannot report that information. We have general policies, and guidelines, which were carried over from Health and Welfare Canada, including their established practice of only reporting A.I.D.S. statistics on a territorial-wide level." Mr. Speaker, the Health and Welfare standards in this area have not changed.

In response to further questioning on the subject, she indicated that it was important to ensure complete confidentiality in order to encourage infected individuals to come forward and seek treatment. She elaborated on the reason for the policy by stating, "I believe that, given the fact that the N.W.T. is a small community, and people generally find out things, confidentiality is mainly for the protection of the individuals who are seeking treatment. We feel that we must have the ability to have an open and honest approach, to make people feel that their particular problem will be treated confidentially when they are seeking medical treatment".

On September 7, 1992, News/North ran a third page

article titled Cournoyea backs A.I.D.S. disclosure. The story under Ronna Bremer's by-line, concerned an incident that had reportedly occurred during the spring of 1992, in which an H.I.V. positive male from Vancouver, was alleged to have travelled to Tuktoyaktuk, and engaged in unprotected sexual activity with females in the community.

The comments attributed to Ms. Cournoyea without quotations. The newspaper included the following statement: that people of Tuktoyaktuk should have been told that a man, who was carrying the A.I.D.S. virus, was returning to their community, says Nunakput M.L.A. Nellie Cournoyea .

Also, Cournoyea understands the issue of patient confidentiality, and protocol, but said if the community had been informed, it could have alleviated much of the distress. Also, Ms. Cournoyea said Health Minister , Dennis Patterson , is aware of the situation, and is reviewing the issue of protocol. Now quotations included in the newspaper

article also included a number of direct quotes of statements reportedly made by Ms. Cournoyea , including "they did not need to know the name, but if they had told, we have an individual returning to your community, they could have been asked what is the best way to deal with it?" said Cournoyea. Ms. Cournoyea was also quoted as saying, "the problems in town with the A.I.D.S. infected man would probably never have existed if the community had been informed."

Mr. Speaker, I want to know, whether or not the position stated publicly by Ms. Cournoyea , directly contradicts the established policy of the Department of Health for which she is responsible as the senior ministry in the Executive Council. This raises questions as to whether she is planning to alter the policy in the way that makes exposure criteria inconsistent with the Canadian standards used in the rest of the country.

Her comments on September 7, also represent a reversal from the stand she took in November, 1988, when the 11th Assembly M.L.A.s from Baffin South, Aivilik and Mackenzie Delta asked her to confirm the incidents of reported A.I.D.S. cases by community or even by region. This raises concerns whether the Government Leader has established a "double standard" in which decisions made about the disclosure of A.I.D.S. incidents in Nunakput are going to be made differently in other territorial constituencies.

Ms. Cournoyea indicated in the newspaper

article that the current Minister of Health , the Honourable Dennis Patterson , will be reviewing the issue of protocol. Recognizing that Ms. Cournoyea 's 1988 statement, that public disclosure may discourage A.I.D.S. victims, is still valid today, one might question, why is it suddenly become imperative for the Minister to review the protocol now?

Further if the Minister has determined that such a review is necessary, it should proceed objectively and in the absence of any prior opinions expressed by the Government Leader to whom he reports. Now the comments reportedly made by the Government Leader on this subject, following the incident in her home community could be seen as a senior political interfere in policy development within the Department of Health.

Mr. Speaker, I will be pursuing this particular matter with questions.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you, Mr. Nerysoo . Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, my point of order, is that with respect to the honourable Member, his whole statement is premised, I believe, on a newspaper report, which is not before the House, and whose accuracy is unknown to the House.

I wonder, Mr. Speaker, if the use of an unsubstantiated newspaper report as the basis for debate in this House is within the rules? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Order please. Mr. Patterson , under our rules there are no specific provisions dealing with Members' statements, and historically in this House Members have been given very broad latitude in making their views and comments known during Members' statements.

You do not have a point of order, Mr. Patterson , however I would ask Members in fairness, and in respect to the privilege of all Members that if Members are building a case in Members' statements that they try not to over-use the attributed quotes in newspaper articles and attempt to use as the basis of arguments, documentation, questions, and answers, that are actually before the House.

If I could ask Members, if they would attempt to do that. Under our rules, Mr. Patterson , you have no point of order. Thank you.

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Zoe .

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New Airport Runway In Lac La Martre

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Tony Whitford , is his capacity as Minister responsible for the Department of Transportation, and myself had the pleasure, yesterday afternoon, of attending a ribbon cutting ceremony in Lac La Martre, to officially open the new Lac La Martre airport runway.

The ribbon cutting took place right next to the new runway and was officially cut by the oldest resident of Lac La Martre, Mrs. Helen Rabesca, who I believe, is over 100 years old.

The completion of this project leaves two communities, in my riding, to have airports, Snare Lake and Rae-Edzo. Accordingly, Mr. Speaker, the government's next priority is to construct an airport for Snare Lake, and as I understand it, the government is also currently working with the Hamlet of Rae-Edzo on a feasibility study for an airport there.

Mr. Speaker, in my opinion the importance of an adequate and fully functional transportation infrastructure for economic and political development cannot be overstated. An adequate transportation system is one of the key factors that will enable the Dogrib people to further their objectives in the area of land claims, self-government, and the development of an integrated industrial strategy for the North Slave region.

Year round access to communities in the North Slave region, outside Rae-Edzo, is by air travel alone. That is our only lifeline to the outside world, our means of moving people, goods, material is by air. The Department of Transportation made it very clear in their transportation strategy of the interdependence of transportation and political and economic development.

Without an adequate transportation system in the North Slave region, our objective of developing a viable self-supporting economy will not be possible. Without a strong economic base, our objective of developing self-government institutions, will only be a dream. Economic and political development go hand in hand, Mr. Speaker. A rational transportation is the means by which the development can move forward. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I would like to take this opportunity, to recognize in the gallery, Mr. Nick Sibbeston, former colleague, and former Government Leader .

---Applause

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

His image was still there in my mind.

Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Victim Impact Statement Pilot Project

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today, to again comment on the need to expand the Victim Impact Statement Pilot Project. I raised this issue in late March and again earlier this month. The Minister of Justice told us that his department has not yet completed a comprehensive evaluation of the pilot project, but that a recent assessment indicates that few victims are taking the opportunity to make Victim Impact Statements.

The Minister stated that it is necessary to continue the pilot project until the end of December, in order to access what factors have kept the victims from using the program. Part of the problem seems to be routed in its initial implementation, because there was inadequate consultation with those in the helping professions, who work most closely with victims in the communities. As a result, these community professionals have been ill prepared to encourage the use of Victim Impact Statements. Generally, there is a lack of public and professional awareness about Victim Impact Statements.

Although it is the responsibility of the R.C.M.P. to take the statement, they do not always inform victims of their option to fill one out. There have been very few cases when a statement has been introduced in court. This record will only improve when there are strong advocate groups in the community to encourage the use of these statements.

Unfortunately, many of the smaller communities where the pilot project is in operation do not have a strong network of advocate groups for victims. Existing groups, and shelters, are not always able to use their limited resources to work with the R.C.M.P. and the courts to raise awareness about the merit of the statements.

Mr. Speaker, I am afraid the merits of Victim Impact Statements will not be realized through a continuation of the pilot project in only nine communities in the north. I hope the Minister will consider extending the pilot project to Yellowknife. I believe this would make a difference in weighing the merits of Victim Impact Statements. Yellowknife has the benefit of having a large network of helping groups, within the city, to act as strong advocates for victims. Yellowknife also has a large number of sentencing hearings in which Victim Impact Statements could be used.

This important Victim Impact Statement Pilot Project should not be deemed unsuccessful simply because it has not been widely used today. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statement, Mr. Gargan .

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Employment Of Local People In Highway Construction

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Over the summer, I did quite a bit of travelling on the highway between Hay River and Yellowknife. During these trips there was a lot of disruption due to the construction crews working on various parts of the highway, particularly in the Fort Providence area.

Mr. Speaker, I was quite happy to put up with these disruptions to my travels. I have long believed that the development of a good highway system would have substantial long-term economic benefits for all of the Northwest Territories, and I am still convinced of this.

However, Mr. Speaker, there are other short-term benefits to be received as well. As the honourable Member for Keewatin Central has stated in this House many times, it is important that local residents receive some economic benefits, both in terms of training and employment, from construction projects in their region.

During my trip, I noticed quite a few of my constituents working in these construction crews, employed as heavy equipment operators, flag persons, and surveyors.

This shows that the contractors have made some efforts to employ local people, and I would like to thank them for this. However, I believe it important that we, as a government, continue to promote, and monitor, local employment in construction projects.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would like to thank the Minister of Transportation during the last Assembly, Mr. Gordon Wray, for his vision in developing and implementing the N.W.T. Transportation Strategy.

I believe Mr. Wray recognized the importance of developing a viable transportation link to the rest of Canada. I am happy to see that this strategy has been followed by the former Minister, Mr. Allooloo , and the current Minister, Mr. Whitford .

Like Mr. Wray, I believe that the development of a transportation system should be one of the highest priorities of this government, not only for the link it provides with the rest of Canada, but for the substantial long-term and short-term economic benefits and opportunities it provides to the lesser developed regions of the N.W.T.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 3, Members' statements, Mr. Antoine .

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Unincorporated Communities In Nahendeh

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to speak about the four communities in my constituency of Jean Marie River, Nahanni Butte, Trout Lake, and Wrigley.

Mr. Speaker, these communities are unincorporated, run by band councils, and they are classified by this government as unorganized communities. In debate on the budget of M.A.C.A. last Thursday, the Minister told me that departments have no policy to provide funding for these communities because they are considered unorganized.

Mr. Speaker, as I have stated before, I sometimes get frustrated in this House, but I have rarely been as frustrated as I was that day. I am tired of the constant running around. The Minister told me that these communities are under federal jurisdiction. The federal government states that they are a territorial responsibility, and I was wondering when does it stop.

I have outlined some of the conditions in these communities, particularly water and sewer in the Nahanni Butte. The Standing Committee on Finance had the opportunity to visit the community, and see some of these conditions.

The four communities are predominately traditional Dene communities. I guess the real question is, why can the people of the communities not enjoy the same programs and services that other residents of the Northwest Territories take for granted? Service such as a good, clean source of water, and a decent sewer system.

I was pleased that the Minister stated that the policy is being developed to fund communities that are, for want of a better term, unorganized. The policy is long overdue, and I expect that it will be completed soon.

I will have some questions on these issues, perhaps later today. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Gargan .

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Question O870-12(2): Status Of N.W.T. Transportation Strategy

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Transportation .

Mr. Speaker, in my Member's statement today, I spoke about the importance of the N.W.T. Transportation Strategy, and the development of transportation infrastructure in the Northwest Territories, particularly the development of a good highway system.

My question to the Minister is, could the Minister tell me whether the N.W.T. transportation strategy is still in the blueprint for the department, in the development of a transportation infrastructure in the Northwest Territories?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford .

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Question O870-12(2): Status Of N.W.T. Transportation Strategy

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Yes, thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes,

very much so.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions, supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Supplementary To Question O870-12(2): Status Of N.w.t. Transportation Strategy

Question O870-12(2): Status Of N.W.T. Transportation Strategy

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you. My supplementary, Mr. Speaker, is the former Minister, Mr. Wray, spent a great deal of effort trying to secure funding from the federal department to implement the transportation strategy. Could the Minister tell me what steps the department has taken to negotiate with the federal government, to fund the projects that are set out in the transportation strategy?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, to answer the Member's question, as late as last week the department was meeting in Ottawa with federal officials to attempt to secure additional funding from the federal government to complete, or enhance, our transportation network. I believe, Mr. Speaker, and I hope that later on in this year I will have more positive news. At this time, I can say that the talks went well, and we are quite optimistic that some of the funding we will need to continue is close at hand.

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Ernie Bernhardt

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Personnel . On September 15, I listened carefully to the statement which the Minister made in this House about northern hiring. I took particular note of his comment that, "our highest priority continues to be increasing the representation of aboriginal northerners in the public service". I also noticed that while he talked about the responsibility of the private sector, non-government organizations, and contractors, he made no reference to the role that organized labour should be playing to support aboriginal hiring principles.

My question is, Mr. Speaker, would the Minister of Personnel consider initiating consultations with the Union of Northern Workers, and the N.W.T. Teachers' Association, to develop strategies for increasing the profile of native people within the public service unions?

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Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the consultations have, I think, been ongoing with both unions, respectively, for some time now on an informal basis. I think both the teachers' union, and the Union of the Northern Workers, are aware that it is a clear objective of this government to see an increasing number of teachers in the north to be of aboriginal and northern status, and that we have adopted initiatives in the Department of Education to meet that short-term and long-term objective.

In the statement that I gave, it is also serving notice and I think that the indications have been served in the negotiations with the Union of Northern Workers, that more and more, we expect to see increasing numbers of northern people, aboriginal people of the north become members of the union. The collective agreement negotiations that take place every two years have to reflect that. The union had been served notice, as well, that there is a limited amount of dollars. The changing membership of the unions has to impact on the kind of things that the union has traditionally negotiated for, and we expect will change. Thank you.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of Housing in regards to H.A.P. housing needs, the shortage of housing. My question is in regards to the clients that have applied for H.A.P. houses. People have come up to me and asked me if this will be an ongoing thing. I would like a response from the Minister of Housing , will this be an ongoing thing? Will people be able to apply for H.A.P. houses in the future?

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Honourable Members may recall that on June 19, 1992, I made a Member's statement on the frustration that Inuit fishery workers in my constituency have felt about the waste of Greenland sharks, which were from the incidental catch in our turbot fishery.

Mr. Speaker, it offends our cultural values to see hundreds of pounds of shark left on the ice to spoil because it has not been possible to secure markets for the hides and meat. I understand that the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism has been considering this problem. My question is, could he inform the House on the progress he has made in finding markets for the export of shark products since I raised this issue last June?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, there has been some work done in that regard. I am informed that some of the sharks, or all of the sharks, may have some contamination in their flesh, and we are continuing to examine that situation. I will have a report back to the House at the next session, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Since the Minister knows that there has been some concern in the past over the potentially high concentration of contaminants in the sharks caught in the Cumberland Sound, will he make arrangements with his Cabinet colleague in Renewable Resources to initiate a testing program so that he can provide a detailed assessment of whether these products currently exceed national and international standards?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will certainly sit down with Mr. Allooloo and discuss it and see what we can do in that area, yes.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final supplementary, recognizing that in past years the department promised that Pangnirtung fisherman would be trained in salting and drying techniques that would reduce the cost for shipping the shark skins, but did not follow up, can the Minister indicate today whether or not he is prepared to provide such training at fisheries sites this winter?

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure that is in our work plan for Pangnirtung this winter, but I will certainly look into it and get back to the Member. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister of Health . Yesterday the Minister of Health indicated that he would be making a Minister's statement on the public inquiry in Fort Smith. I believe, because of the time frame that we are meeting today, and the new deadline in place to ensure that translations of statements are placed, the Minister was unable to make a statement.

I would like to ask the Minister if it is possible, in regard to the process of the public inquiry, to submit to me a copy of the terms of reference? Thank you.

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Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Yes, the Member is correct that, due to the early translation deadlines this morning, I am unable to make the promised statement this morning, but will do so tomorrow. I had also intended, with the statement, to circulate a copy of the terms of reference for the public inquiry which have been approved by Cabinet. I can furnish an untranslated copy to the honourable Member later today. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Justice . In his reply of September 22 to my question about expansion of the Victim Impact Statement Pilot Project, the Minister noted that relatively few victims are taking advantage of the opportunity to use the statements. Recognizing that more sentencing submissions are heard in Yellowknife than any other courthouse or circuit venue in the Northwest Territories, and that Yellowknife has volunteer agencies that could encourage and assist in ensuring the use of the Victim Impact Statements, would the Minister consider

extending the pilot project to this community, to enable a better evaluation of the Victim Impact Statement service?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, in between sneezes, I think I got the gist of the question. Mr. Speaker, I do not know whether you raise this as a point of order or not, but I know that when a Member is asked to answer a question, there are not any interruptions allowed, and it does throw the question off, in some cases. It does create some problems for me.

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Michael Ballantyne

I am not clear, are you raising a point of order, Mr. Kakfwi ?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Yes, I am raising a point of order, thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Would you clearly state your point of order, please, Mr. Kakfwi ?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there is, I believe, a point of order. Thank you.

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Would you clearly state your point of order, Mr. Kakfwi ?

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, there is a point of order to be made, in that there are certain Members who have taken to habitually sneezing, which is involuntary, but also, there are certain Members who have given to muttering, giggling and laughter at inappropriate times, when Members are trying to answer questions. It does cause some distraction, and some disorder in the House. I wanted to raise that. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

If I could comment, I do not see that you have a point of order. I think it would be very difficult to rule on whether or not a sneeze, especially in the fall, when half of the Members have colds, is appropriate, or not appropriate. It has been normal parliamentary practice on parliaments across the country, to allow some latitude in Members reactions.

I have not detected, anything whatsoever, out of the ordinary, Mr. Kakfwi , and I disallow your point of order. Mr. Lewis , point of privilege.

Point Of Privilege

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, at this time of the year, I very often find that with the onset of winter, I do get a cold, and over the last minute and a half, I sneezed twice, and it was as a result of an involuntary eruption, which I had no control over. Thank you.

---Laughter

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Michael Ballantyne

Thank you. If there is any more discussion needed, I may have to bring an expert medical opinion into the House.

---Laughter

Mr. Kakfwi , I think you were responding to an oral question.

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the project on the Victim Impact Statements, was decided some time ago, in 1991. There were some communities that were selected, as the Member indicated, to do a pilot project, since it was agreed by the officials involved in Social Services, the R.C.M.P., and the Department of Justice, that it would be a rather complex undertaking.

We have indicated to the House, that there are some difficulties being perceived at this time. For instance, in the initial stages of the project, over 90 statements were filled out to our knowledge, but, in fact, only a small percentage of those were actually received by the legal system. I think that only two have been actually used in the courts itself, as to the reasons for it, we are not able to provide this at this time, at least, I have not received anything, except that the people involved between the R.C.M.P., our department, and Social Services, are investigation that.

Until there is some preliminary conclusions drawn from the initial pilot project communities, and the way that it was set up, I do not see how it would be of any immediate use to try, while we are trying to correct some initial problems, to set up another, supposedly pilot project, in the city of Yellowknife. Thank you.

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Page 1152

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In discussing this problem with advocacy groups in communities around the Northwest Territories, and, indeed, south of 60, I was advised that a Victims Impact Statement Program, in order to be successful, needs to have a strong advocacy group pushing its use. I suspect that part of the problem, in some of the small communities, where this pilot project is being used, is that there is not such a strong advocacy group there.

Will the Minister take a look at expanding the pilot project into other communities, if not Yellowknife, where there are advocacy groups who would encourage the use of the Victims Impact Statements?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, the initial pilot projects were set up some time ago. I think, perhaps, if it gives any further assurance to the Member, that my no, might be a maybe. I am prepared to go to the affected agencies that have initiated this pilot project, and are in the process of implementing, and evaluating it, to see if they see any merit in the suggestion that the Member is making. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O876-12(2): Departmental Officials Seconded To Health Boards

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1152

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be for the Minister of Health . Mr. Speaker, the Minister delivered an address to the membership of the N.W.T. Health Care

Association at their annual general meeting in Yellowknife, on September 21.

One of the things that he said, which I think is worthy of close attention, is when talking about relations between board managers and their departmental counterparts, the Minister commented that I will attempt to provide career development opportunities through term assignments and rotation. He also commented that it might become a matter of principle, that no one would reach a senior position in the department, without appropriate board experience, and vice versa.

Mr. Speaker, that sounds to me like it could be coded for an intentions to parachute departmental officials into management positions within current health and hospital boards in order to run them, according to headquarters priorities.

Will the Minister indicate, to the House, whether he is currently planning to arrange secondments that would transfer departmental officials from headquarters into management positions within hospital or health boards in the Northwest Territories?

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Item 5: Oral Questions

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Michael Ballantyne

Could I ask Members in oral questions, if they would be cautious about quoting from statements made by Ministers, or Members, outside the House? Mr. Patterson . Order please, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I am disappointed that the Member would attribute such sinister motives to my address to the Health Care Association. I tried to reach out and invite improved relations between health boards, and the Department of Health.

I suggested a number of means, by which I thought improved relations could occur. That there should be direct relationship between the Minister and Chairs, there should be communications protocol, and yes, that it would be advantageous to health boards, and to the Department of Health, if people with field experience and headquarters experience, if you like, could exchange, and have the kind of executive interchanges that are common place in the public service.

Mr. Speaker, I would like to clarify, to the honourable Member, that this would not happen without the full concurrence of health boards. It is interesting that I have just had a chance to meet with the Inuvik Regional Health Board, I made the same suggestion, and I am pleased to tell the House, that is was welcomed by the health board in Inuvik. It would be advantageous to some of their people who have experience working in the Department of Health, and vice versa, but it would not be done unilaterally. It would be done only with the agreement, and cooperation, of health boards, and the department.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Question O877-12(2): Transfer Of Social Assistance Responsibility

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1153

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wanted to ask a question to the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs , but he is not in the House, so I will ask another question for the Minister responsible for Social Services .

The Minister should be aware that the Fort Liard Band Council is interested in assuming administrative and managerial control of social assistance programs. This proposal was supported by the band council, the hamlet, and more recently, at the Deh Cho Tribal Council Meeting September 9 to 11.

Recognizing that the strong support exists for local management of social assistance, will the Minister indicate whether he is prepared to transfer responsibility for the administration of this program to the Fort Liard Dene Band?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister outline the process he will use to review this request for the transfer of administrative responsibility?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I have some information about that request. I cannot just put my hands on it at the moment, but I can tell the honourable Member that the Department of Social Services is taking community transfers very seriously. We have a person assigned within the department specifically to deal with those requests, and there are a number of them in the Northwest Territories. The procedure, Mr.

Speaker, is that the coordination of these transfers will be undertaken by the Ministry of Aboriginal and Intergovernmental Affairs, but once the overall approval is given, then negotiations will be undertaken at the community level through the department concerned, and the appropriate regional staff. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. How soon will the Minister be able to initiate negotiations with the Fort Liard Band Council on this subject?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

As I say, Mr. Speaker, the detailed information on that request is not at hand, so I will have to take the question as notice. I will try to get back to the Member before the end of this week. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Question has been taken as notice. Item 5, oral questions, Mr. Pudlat .

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Question O878-12(2): Relocation Of Lake Harbour Airstrip

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 1153

Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask a question to the Minister of Transportation .

As we know, we have been on this land for hundreds of years, we know that roads and highways are constructed, and have been used for many years. My question is about a runway in Lake Harbour, and we have run into problems with it. I would like to urge, with the support of my colleagues, to improve this. I know it is in the plans for 1997, Mr. Speaker, but I would like to ask the Minister of Transportation , would the Minister make a feasibility study for the Lake Harbour runway to be elsewhere, other than its place at the present time? As we know, we have been on the land for hundreds of years, these things are constructed, and could be in use for many, many years to come.

My question is, could there be a feasibility study on moving the runway that is presently there? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Currently we do not have any plans to do a feasibility study on Lake Harbour Airport. We recognize, of course, Mr. Speaker, that there are concerns by the community about the runway and its location. However, the concerns are those that we were not able to meet. At the present time, the airport is a certified airport, we hear the concerns that are expressed, and we will continue to talk to the community and see how we can alleviate some of the concerns that they have. At the present time, there is no plan to move the airport to another location.

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Michael Ballantyne

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Supplementary to my question to the same Minister. Yes, we know that there are no current dangers of that runway, and we know that this has been a concern for many years, and my predecessor Joe Arlooktoo had worked on it a lot. If there was to be an emergency, or an accident, that is only when they will act on it. Will the Minister, in the coming years, have a plan made to make a feasibility study at the runway in Lake Harbour? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I can appreciate the Member's concern, and I have also been aware of the former Member's expression of concern on the airport. I have been to Lake Harbour, and I am aware of the situation. What I will do, Mr. Speaker, is continue a dialogue with the community on ways of dealing with this concern that they have, Mr. Speaker.

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Yes, you answered my question very well, but I know because it is my own community that Air Baffin had some mishaps on that runway, and Air Baffin is one of the new airlines that is coming into our community. They have some good prices on their fares, but they have had a couple of mishaps, especially with the slightly bigger airplanes. With the mishaps that have happened, would that not be a fairly good reason to do a feasibility study to improve the runways? That is why I brought up this concern about the feasibility plan that they have, because it is quite a danger to our people.

I would like to be informed, if there would be any plans for a feasibility study for a new runway? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Again, I will reiterate that we are aware of the concerns that Lake Harbour is expressing about their airport, and what I will do, Mr. Speaker, to assist the Member, is to follow-up with a review of those concerns with the community. We will do this in conjunction with the Member so that he does have up-to-date information on what we are doing and what we can find. This will take some time, in the next few months, but we will continue to work closely with the community on this problem. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O879-12(2): Rural And Remote Program

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Housing . Can the Minister of Housing advise this House, as to whether the Rural and Remote Program is still in effect? Thank you.

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Mr. Morin .

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I do not know whether it is still in effect in the south, but I know that we do not deliver it any more. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, to the same Minister, that program is not available in the north any longer. There have been a number of clients, in my constituency, who took advantage of that particular program. Would the Minister be able to review, to determine whether it is beneficial for these individuals to possibly tie into another type of a program other than the Rural and Remote Program, that is no longer available? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Housing Corporation, along with the communities right now, are revising the Homeownership Program, and that should make it so that more people are eligible to apply for the Homeownership Program. That should alleviate that problem of not having that Rural and Remote Program.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I do not believe that the Minister caught my question. I asked if his department, or the Housing Corporation, would review the existing clients who have a Rural and Remote Program, which is no longer available in the south, and see if it would be possible, and be more beneficial to these individuals, whether or not they can take advantage of another program, if the Rural and Remote Program is indeed redundant? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Maybe I could get some clarification, if I am allowed, from the Member. My understanding is that the Rural and Remote Program is a mortgage program, and those clients that were involved do have a mortgage. Are you asking to have another program set up where people could go and borrow the money to pay off that rural and remote mortgage? Is that the question?

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I will allow the Member to give clarification, it will not count as one of your supplementaries.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, rural and remote, as I understood it, is not only a mortgage program, through C.M.H.C., but I believe it was available through N.W.T. Housing Corporation, and that program is no longer available under the criteria that my constituents applied for. If that program is no longer available, what other options are available to my constituents to take care of the redundant program that they are in?

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Mr. Morin . Did the clarification, make it clear?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are no other options, but I will discuss the issue with the Member later on.

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Question O880-12(2): Surveys For Relocation Of Lake Harbour Airstrip

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be to the Minister of Transportation in regard to the Lake Harbour airstrip.

My question is, has his department done any surveys on different locations in Lake Harbour for the future plan to build an airstrip?

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Mr. Whitford .

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O881-12(2): Emergency Repair Program

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Housing if the Emergency Repair Program is in effect? Thank you.

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Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, would he be able to give us the guidelines, and the amount available to constituents under the Emergency Repair Program? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker. The Minister said, yes, he would give us the guidelines, and the amount available. Can he advise this House as to when he will do that? Thank you.

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Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will distribute copies to Members today.

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Question O882-12(2): Amendments To Principally Engaged Policy

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to direct my question to the Minister responsible for the Workers' Compensation Board. Yesterday, I asked and he answered, Mr. Speaker, the Minister, about what he has done to change the policy used by the Workers' Compensation Board to define their perception of who is principally engaged as working as a traditional harvester.

Mr. Speaker, I was surprised and dismayed to hear the Minister's response. It sounded as though he was trying to blame the fact that the policy has not been changed on the budgeting process within the Department of Renewable Resources.

Mr. Speaker, this policy has been criticized by Hunters' and Trappers' Associations, the Standing Committee on Agencies, Boards and Commissions, and even the Workers' Compensation Board's own appeal committee. Recognizing that this is not a renewable resource policy, but that it is a policy established by the Workers' Compensation Board, and recognizing that flaws in the policy have been apparent for well over a year, when is the Minister going to finally exercise some leadership and bring the new policy definition into effect?

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

As soon as possible, Mr. Speaker. I would like to clarify to the Member that I do not see the problem, as particularly one of funding. As I see it, the Department of Renewable Resources will be spending the money that they now have budgeted in a different way, in a more effective way. I have been inquiring with officials in the Department of Renewable Resources, who are preparing the scheme, since the Member's question yesterday, and I have been told that the package should be brought forward to Cabinet through Renewable Resources, and myself, in the next few weeks. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister kept referring to the fact that there is not enough money in the Renewable Resources budget to pay for a more generous policy. He should realize that traditional harvesters are not asking for a more generous policy, they want one that is more sensible. Right now, the policy defines hunters and trappers in terms of minimum income level and weeks of work concepts, that have never been used in our traditional culture to recognize the hunter in our communities.

I would ask the Minister, when actions have been taken personally to bring about a more sensible definition of which persons should be recognized as traditional hunters and trappers, under

section one of the Workers' Compensation Act, has he done anything?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I have been encouraging the Department of Renewable Resources to use its expertise with regard to hunters and the Hunters' and Trappers' Association to develop a definition of a person principally engaged in hunting that is much more simplified, and would apply much more broadly to the average person who is dependent on hunting for their livelihood.

Mr. Speaker, I believe that great progress has been made in developing an approved definition, and, as I said earlier to the honourable Member, the new program can be funded within existing resources, provided the level of assessed income is not necessarily the same for a person working in the industrial wage economy.

I can only assure the Member that I can understand what he is getting at, I agree the definition is restrictive, it is overdue for change, a paper is about to come forward, and it may require an amendment to the Workers' Compensation Board Act. What I would request of honourable Members in this Assembly, is that if such an amendment appears to be required to make the definition fit the new scheme, that is well on the way to completion, as being developed by Renewable Resources, I would ask that we have the cooperation of honourable Members to secure speedy passage of that amendment if it turns out to be required. Thank you.

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Question O883-12(2): Marketing Potential For Baffin In-shore Fishery

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . On June 22, 1992, I asked the Minister, and he assured this House, that he would undertake an evaluation of marketing potential for the whelk harvest available to the Baffin in-shore fishery.

He indicated that he would definitely look into the marketing of this edible marine snail, and have his study completed by September 1992. Mr. Speaker, September has almost come and gone, and there has been no announcements from the Minister as to the results of his review of the market potential for the whelk. Would the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism advise the House of the results of his investigations into market availability for this promising northern seafood product?

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Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, the department has been working on it. Where they are at with it right now, I will take the question as notice, and get back to the Member. Thank you.

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Question O884-12(2): Akaitcho Hall Management And Procedural Review

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Education in regards to the Akaitcho Hall Review. It has been one month since the student residence of Akaitcho Hall has been occupied for the school year. There was a review done May 19, about 10 people were on the review team and they listened to the people who have an interest in developing Akaitcho Hall.

The task was to conduct a comprehensive review of the management and operation of the Akaitcho Hall student residence, and Home Boarding Programs, to ensure that quality care and supervision is provided for all students in the program. It describes a style of leadership which necessitates student staff working to solve problems, and plan for the future.

There were a series of recommendations that were made. I was curious, and maybe the Minister could explain, how this whole recommendation and the operation of the Akaitcho Hall residences is going at this present time. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The report has been distributed to the Members. Up to this date, I have not received a direct complaint from either the students or the employees of Akaitcho Hall after the recommendations have been implemented there. I guess I would say that so far things have been going quite well. Thank you.

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Question O885-12(2): Compliance With College Of Physicians Terms Of Reference

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Health . Mr. Speaker, on September

10, I tabled the terms of a review that has been established for review of the Fort Smith Health Centre, by the Saskatchewan College of Physicians and Surgeons. I asked the Minister of Health a question about the terms of reference, whether or not they have been complied with.

I noted that the terms of reference require that four, or five, doctors should undertake the review. At the time, Mr. Speaker, I had asked the Minister whether it was true that only two doctors had completed the review. Mr. Speaker, the Minister took the question as notice, and I recognize that there are no rules in our rule book that allows a time frame for a reply to be done, however, recognizing that it has been three weeks since I posed my original question, and we are trying to conclude the business of the House, I would like to ask the Minister when will the Minister answer my questions?

When will he tell the House whether the terms of reference for the Saskatchewan report were violated? Thank you.

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