Debates of May 27th, 2008

This is page numbers 595 to 632 of the Hansard for the 16th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was positions .

Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Minister’s Statement 34-16(2) Teacher Education Graduation At Thebacha Campus

Speech, Language, And Hearing Disorders

Diamond Industry Impact On Tu Nedhe Communities

Economic Realities In Small And Remote Communities

Proposed Demolition Of Inuvik Learning Centre

Support For Public Servants Considering Retirement

Immigration Of Skilled Foreign Workers

Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

Shortage Of Housing For Teachers

Cost Of Maintaining Vacant Housing In Fort Resolution

International Oil Supply Levels

Support For Persons With Disabilities

Recognition Of Father Jean Pochat

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Question 192-16(2) Devolution And Resource Revenue Sharing

Question 193-16(2) Cost Of Maintaining Vacant Housing In Fort Resolution

Question 194-16(2) Housing For Families With Disabled Parents

Question 195-16(2) Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

Question 196-16(2) Wrigley Ferry Service

Question 197-16(2) Community Energy Supply Emergency Plans

Question 198-16(2) Support For Public Servants Considering Retirement

Question 199-16(2) Social Services Supports In Small Communities

Question 200-16(2) Barrier-Free Housing For Disabled Persons In Small Communities

Question 201-16(2) Proposed Demolition Of The Inuvik Learning Centre

Question 202-16(2) Immigration Of Skilled Foreign Workers

Question 203-16(2) Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

Question 14-16(2) Multi-Project Environmental Monitoring Agency (Ruled Out Of Order)

Petition 6-16(2) Wrigley Ferry Crossing

Committee Report 5-16(2) Standing Committee On Government Operations Report On The Review Of The 2008–2009 Draft Main Estimates

Tabling of Documents

Consideration in Committee of the Whole of Bills and Other Matters

Main Estimates 2008–2009 Department Of Human Resources

Report of Committee of the Whole

Bill 4 Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 2008

Bill 7 Securities Act

Orders of the Day

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Good afternoon, colleagues. Welcome back to the Chamber. Item 2, Ministers’ statements, the honourable Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Minister’s Statement 34-16(2) Teacher Education Graduation At Thebacha Campus

Ministers’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I am pleased to announce that the first class of Aurora College graduates to have completed their Bachelor of Education degree in the Northwest Territories held their convocation in Fort Smith on April 27, 2008. The class included 15 graduates. Thirteen are from the Northwest Territories communities of Deline, Fort Good Hope, Fort Simpson, Fort Smith and Yellowknife. Two graduates are from outside of the NWT, from Fort Chipewyan in Alberta and Richibucto Village, New Brunswick. I congratulate all of the graduates and welcome them into the workforce. I learned that many of these graduates will be returning or beginning to work in schools across the Northwest Territories.

Mr. Speaker, ensuring we have a representative workforce in our schools isn’t just about providing jobs for people in the communities. It also makes it possible for Northerners to become role models for NWT students, opening more doors for them. We want our young aboriginal students to pursue skilled professions and trades, so it is important for them to see people from their own communities succeeding in such jobs that currently exist in their communities.

What is more, research shows that culture-based education that reflects and respects the students’ heritage, language and life experience enhances that students’ self-esteem and therefore greatly improves educational outcomes. We know how important it is to invest in the quality of our

training so that Northerners are ready and able to get jobs. The extension of the Bachelor of Education program to full completion at Aurora College is one great example of how quality training in the Northwest Territories can lead to employment for Northerners in the North.

The Teacher Education Program has existed as a partnership between Aurora College, the University of Saskatchewan through the Indian Teacher Education Program, and the Government of the Northwest Territories for over 30 years. By working together we have made it possible for Northerners to gain a Bachelor of Education without leaving their homes and relocating to the south. This was just an example of more degree programs to come to the North.

The department will continue to work with our partners to find new ways and even better means of providing such opportunity. Mahsi, Mr. Speaker.

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Minister’s Statement 34-16(2) Teacher Education Graduation At Thebacha Campus

Ministers’ Statements

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 3, Members’ statements. The honourable Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Speech, Language, And Hearing Disorders

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. May is Speech and Hearing Awareness Month, and today I’d like to highlight communication disorders.

The ability to communicate is our most human characteristic. Speaking, understanding and hearing are essential skills in our society, but most of us take communication for granted. Tens of thousands of people are afflicted with a communication disorder which is defined as a speech, language or hearing disorder which affects an individual’s ability to communicate. Together, speech, language and hearing disorders comprise the largest group of handicapped individuals in Canada.

Some facts to consider. One in 10 Canadians suffers from some type of communication disorder. That means two of us in this room. The first four

years of life are critical for speech and language development. It’s estimated that 4 per cent of preschoolers have a significant speech or language disorder. A child should use 200 or more words by the time they’re two or three, and by the age of four and a half their vocabulary should consist of approximately 2,000 words. By age six a child with normal language skills has a vocabulary of 14,000 words. A high school student has a vocabulary of 80,000 words, and an adult has a vocabulary of 80,000 to 250,000 words. We acquire about 5,000 new words a year.

Communication disorders in school-aged children are often misdiagnosed as learning disabilities or behavioural problems, and those disorders can be very difficult to treat later on. Added to that is the fact that children with behavioural problems are ten times more likely than other children to have language disorders.

Both the incidence and the prevalence of hearing loss increase with age — unfortunately for me. The onset of adult hearing loss can start as early as the third or fourth decade of life. That’s all of us, you guys. Twenty per cent of those over the age of 65 and 40 per cent of those over 75 have a significant communication disorder. Six to 12 per cent of seniors and 80 per cent of nursing home residents experience speech, language or voice difficulties. Hearing loss is the third most prevalent chronic disability among older adults, following arthritis and hypertension.

These facts seem rather depressing, but early identification and rehabilitation of speech and hearing disorders is not only possible but can also prevent communication difficulties in school, on the job and in social situations.

Mr. Speaker, I request unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Speech, Language, And Hearing Disorders

Members’ Statements

Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Early detection is vital and no one is too young to test, even newborns. Speech language pathologists and audiologists are specialists in diagnosis and treatment of communication disorders. Luckily, we have such specialists in the North, and if you suspect someone has a communication disorder, take them to be tested. Diagnosis and treatment will only improve their quality of life, no matter what their age.

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Diamond Industry Impact On Tu Nedhe Communities

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Mr. Speaker, today I would like to talk about how the diamond industry has impacted the Tu Nedhe communities. I’m not sure if everyone

knows, but the BHP, Diavik and De Beers diamond mines are within the Tu Nedhe riding.

October of this year will mark the tenth year that BHP has been operating, and this past January Diavik Diamond Mine has been in operation for five years. This month it will be four years that De Beers’ Snap Lake project has been operating.

The diamond mine presence has both positive and negative impacts for Tu Nedhe. Economically the diamond industries have increased employment opportunities for many residents living in Tu Nedhe. They have also marginally increased the discretionary spending capabilities of the First Nation bands, as well as providing aboriginal-owned businesses with industry-related opportunities.

Socially the diamond mines have had minimal impact on these communities, but traditional lifestyles have been affected because of the introduction of a wage economy. But members are starting to maximize employment gains and are once again getting back into hunting and trapping. Increased income means more money to buy new boats, motors, Ski-Doos, et cetera. The rotationary work allows them more time to spend on the land.

Environmentally the diamond mines have had a significant impact on wildlife, fish, water and land; however, this has resulted in increased and enhanced awareness of responsibility of land-use management practices amongst all interested parties. This activity is largely responsible for the streamlining of the important environmental assessment process and the environmental monitoring boards.

Industry has committed to working with First Nation groups, demonstrated by many different impact benefit agreements signed. I believe the First Nations are committed to working with industry to maximize economic opportunities for its members and to maximize land issues.

However, many of my constituents feel that we as a government are failing them in the NWT as a whole in the area of resource revenue. They continue to hear of the huge profits the diamond mines are making year after year, yet the communities are….

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Diamond Industry Impact On Tu Nedhe Communities

Members’ Statements

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

They continue to hear of huge profits the diamond mines are making year after year, yet the communities, our ultimate residents, are not seeing the real noticeable benefits from revenue generated by these diamond mines. With the proposed budget cuts that could impact all of

us, why are we not maximizing our participation in this resource revenue agreement?

Later today I will have a follow-up statement and some questions for the Premier .

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Economic Realities In Small And Remote Communities

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, in the small communities there are many people who are economically challenged and, therefore, end up depending on government to make ends meet for themselves and their families. Government agencies, especially the Department of Health and Social Services, periodically determine what a family might require for the basics and then use these figures to assist their clients. However, there are cost differences in larger, more accessible centres such as Yellowknife, and then there are smaller rural communities in which these differences are dealt with by private and public sectors.

For example, one might expect higher wages, higher isolated post allowances and subsidized housing allowances, but that’s only if one is employable.

I wish to explain this a little with a real situation regarding community economics. It was only in recent years that Statistics Canada began studying aboriginal communities, and we are glad that they are doing so. Population figures are used to determine per capita allocation by both federal and territorial governments. The cost-of-living indexes are used to adjust earnings as well as issuing assistance for those who need it.

But these indexes still do not reflect the real costs associated with the smaller communities, which in reality fluctuate during the year. Fall and spring costs are usually higher because of the air transportation in some communities; they have to fly everything in. It is not an unusual sight to see a community person walk out of the store with one or two shopping bags, and with the same amount of money one would see someone else, say in Yellowknife, walking out of the store with 20 bags.

They’re resourceful people, and they are out supplementing their meagre earnings by harvesting country foods.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Economic Realities In Small And Remote Communities

Members’ Statements

Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Foods from the land: caribou, moose, fish, ducks and berries.

Then, again, they are faced with the increasing cost of fuel — $1.64 a litre in the community of Tuk. Equipment such as boats, motors, sleds, et cetera,

is getting more expensive. They are good harvesters but just can’t afford to go out on the land.

My generation is in some ways very fortunate. We have access to training, instant communications and many other benefits of modern society. It’s the situation of the older generation and single-parent families that worries us. Do they have enough to make ends meet? Do they feel safe and comfortable? Can they expect a more secure future? The common scenario is to see a person on social assistance or on an old age pension with empty cupboards the second week of every month.

Also becoming common, I know, are several homeless people in the community. It’s sad and ironic that it has come to this — homelessness in our own homeland. Sure there are housing association committees set up to study these situations, but there are still people who have barely enough to eat and others who have no place to call home.

Mr. Speaker, I’ll have questions for the appropriate Minister at the time. Thank you, colleagues.

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Proposed Demolition Of Inuvik Learning Centre

Members’ Statements

Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Just last week the Inuvik Learning Centre

had their completion ceremony, which is a

ceremony that I usually try to take

part in, because I’m very proud of these folks. A lot of them dropped out of school years ago and decided that education is the key to their future. They decided to go back to school and try to upgrade so they can possibly get into college or get into a trade. It’s always a good time for celebration for these people.

This year, Mr. Speaker, I think that celebration is a little bit more magnified, because this may be the last year that they’re celebrating their completion ceremony out of the Learning Centre. The facility that they’re in now is another facility being proposed to be closed down in Inuvik. This is a very important facility to these people. They have as many as 70 students taking

part in the courses that they offer there. I’m not quite sure how many completed last week, but I understand there were quite a few.

The students there had written a letter to the previous Minister of Education, and to quote a couple of lines from their letter, they talk about how everybody always talks about education and how important it is. These folks have realized that education is important to their future, their children’s future, and that’s why they decided to go out and try and further their education. They also go on to say that they need to be respected, that they are the future of self-government, the future of government.

I know a lot of these folks personally. They’ve overcome a lot of adversity to get to where they are.

It’s just another example of a facility being closed down in Inuvik. I’ve said it before — Inuvik’s being hit hard. We lost both ball fields last fall; we lost our tennis court; we lost our soccer field because of the supposed planning of our new school, which is behind schedule. Inuvik’s going to have to go the next year, possibly two, without these types of recreation facilities. They have a very serious concern with the closure of the Learning Centre. They want to know if there’s anything that we can do to make sure that this centre stays open.

At the appropriate time later on I will have questions for the Minister of Education .

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Support For Public Servants Considering Retirement

Members’ Statements

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Today I want to talk about the support, or lack thereof, for members of our public service by our Department of Human Resources. In recent months I’ve continued to hear from my constituents about their frustration in securing the most basic information, such as records of employment, information needed to initiate retirement benefits, and the list goes on. This is peculiar to me given the millions of dollars that we’ve invested in the best and most current communications in HR management software. It’s also peculiar given the 125 positions at headquarters in the Department of Human Resources.

We're all familiar with the software rollout fiasco which cost managers an unquantifiable amount of time and resources to manage pay, leave and benefit tasks for people who worked under them.

Today I will specifically have questions for the Minister of Human Resources about the support that is offered to those employees wishing to make plans and decisions regarding their retirement options. These are very important decisions for people who serve the government, and they should be shown the respect that they are due.

Recently, through the routine broadcast of training opportunities on the government e-mail, there was a course called Pre-Retirement Planning. The cost of this course was $400, and my question to the Minister is going to be: do we expect retiring members of our public service to pay $400 to take a course so they can plan their retirement? Or perhaps this is just a course for managers who work in the various departments. But I'd like to focus my question today to the Minister on what support is given to members of our public service who are trying to plan their retirement options.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Immigration Of Skilled Foreign Workers

Members’ Statements

Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

Like other jurisdictions in Canada, we face serious challenges in finding and attracting skilled workers to meet the employment needs and demands of our booming economy. Our unemployment rate is at an all-time low, and both large and small employers are struggling to recruit and keep qualified employees.

The current federal immigration process is not well-equipped to respond to the need for skilled and semi-skilled workers in a timely manner. We need to find a proactive way to assist employers in recruiting qualified immigrants for jobs that cannot be filled by our local residents. I believe we can provide this type of service and maintain our commitment to training and employment opportunities for northern residents, including our possible new ones.

This is not an either/or situation. An effective labour force development strategy for the Northwest Territories would include a balanced mix of training, recruitment and employment of both skilled residents and semi-skilled foreign workers.

Again I ask the Minister to establish a support service program to our employers of the North, to help hire people and keep their businesses contributing.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

Members’ Statements

David Ramsay

Kam Lake

I'd like to speak today about Stanton Territorial Hospital. There continue to be many issues at play at Stanton that throughout this session I will be addressing in an attempt to get some answers from the Minister as to what exactly is happening at that hospital.

In speaking to health care professionals on the front line, I find there seems to be a constant disconnect between the positions that are available at the hospital and the continued reliance on agency nurses. Are we not interested in hiring more nurses who live here? Why wouldn't we look at increasing the float pool at Stanton? And, Mr. Speaker, why is there so much money being spent on overtime?

Let's talk about money, Mr. Speaker. Let's talk about how it is that Stanton has been allowed to approve an $11.5 million deficit. It was only two years ago that Members of the 15th Legislative

Assembly approved, through supplementary appropriation, close to $4 million to address the deficit that was building at Stanton Territorial Hospital.

What are the Minister's plans to deal with the $11.5 million and the other millions of dollars of deficit that our other health authorities find themselves in?

There continues to be little in the way of accountability, whether it's from the hospital, the department, or the Minister.

We are talking about a substantial amount of money. We need to address whether Stanton is chronically underfunded or completely and utterly mismanaged. And where in the world is the Stanton master plan after years and years of planning? We are set to spend millions of dollars at Stanton in upgrades and renovations, and yet there is no master plan.

Again, Mr. Speaker, where is the accountability, and where does the responsibility lie? For me, it rests squarely on the Minister's shoulders, and I believe she has some explaining to do to the public and to the Members of this House. She has been the Minister now for several months, and she should have a very good understanding of what is happening at Stanton Territorial Hospital.

There are many, many outstanding health care professionals and employees at that hospital, and I really am getting tired of hearing from people who have just had enough of working at Stanton. They're throwing their arms up in the air, and they're saying, “I've had enough. I need out of Stanton,” and they're leaving the North.

We need to address this. We need to address it head on and come up with some solutions. Mahsi.

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Shortage Of Housing For Teachers

Members’ Statements

Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, I'd like to speak to you today about the shortage of housing for our teachers in our small and remote communities.

On two occasions this year and every fall in my riding I have at least one or two teachers who are affected by the shortage of housing, by issues with housing.

Our North, our communities really do welcome the professionals willing to come up to our small, remote communities and into the North. I know government has been working on solutions, and they have indicated there's a program to assist businesses to build and provide these homes. But right now the program that's designed will work in the larger communities but not in the small communities. Even if they did, in a small community like Jean Marie or Nahanni Butte, if a private homeowner built a home for rent, the rent would be so far out of reach, because it's very expensive.

I know that these barriers and these limitations are something we've got to work with, and I do believe that government still has to be involved here.

The stability of our teachers will benefit our children, our communities and our North. There are studies to show and prove that as the teachers remain in the community and become members of that community, there's a direct relationship to the children and to them graduating and learning.

I know that government doesn't want to circumvent the no-housing policy of 1992, but we must face the reality that maintaining this status quo affects our children and the quality of our education. So I, too, add my voice. Government must revisit the no staff housing policy and consider that our essential professional staff must be treated equitably and provided with fair living quarters. This must be resolved soon, Mr. Speaker.

Mahsi cho.

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Cost Of Maintaining Vacant Housing In Fort Resolution

Members’ Statements

Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

In a time of fiscal restraint it's important that the government is responsible with the money and that every dollar spent is spent well and for maximum benefit. I'd like to talk to you right now about an example of where I found government funds are not necessarily being spent in the most logical or responsible way.

On April 28 I was in Fort Res with the Standing Committee on Social Programs doing some public hearings. Prior to our public hearing we went on a tour of the community. As we were walking down the street from the band office to the school, we passed three really nice, brand-new homes — well built, well constructed, nice lots, nice property — all three of them completely vacant.

We went around the corner and we found another house, a nice little house. Apparently it was built by

students from the school as part of a trades development program — also vacant. In talking to the people from the community, it became obvious that these houses were actually built by the NWT Housing Corporation as part of the home ownership program. Unfortunately, upon completion of building these houses, the Housing Corp found that there was nobody eligible to purchase the homes. So for two years those homes have been sitting vacant in Fort Res, unused, getting older, and the government continues to maintain them, continues to heat them, continues to make sure that there's water. To me, this isn’t necessarily a logical way to spend our money.

I understand the value of housing. I think housing is important and we need to make sure that there’s available housing. But if there are no eligible candidates in the community, I’m not sure why we would build the houses themselves. It would probably have been a lot better to actually go to the community, find out if there are eligible candidates, and if there are eligible candidates, work with those candidates to construct homes. Once again, I believe this is a poor use of funds. I think we need to solve this problem. We need to find some way to use those houses in that community to the maximum benefit of the people in Fort Res.

Later today I’ll be asking the Minister Responsible for the Housing Corp. some questions concerning these houses and the government’s program with respect to home ownership and how they decide where they’re going to build houses and when. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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International Oil Supply Levels

Members’ Statements

Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I’m concerned about more and more instances of news reports about the supply of oil, which we all know is also getting more and more expensive.

Mr. Speaker, the International Energy Agency is the energy forum for 27 industrialized countries, including Canada. They share energy information, coordinate their energy policies and cooperate in the development of rational energy programs. One of the objectives of the organization is to maintain and improve systems for coping with supply disruptions.

On Thursday, May 22 — the very day that our Minister of Finance was presenting the budget to this House — the International Energy Agency announced that it is studying depletion rates of oil at about 400 oil fields around the globe in its first-ever study of world oil supply. Our Chief Economist Birol said, “We are entering a new world energy order.” The study will be released in November but was prompted by concern about the volatility of

world oil markets and uncertainty about supply levels.

Obviously, we know what’s happening to the price here. It was recently $135. I’m not on top of it this week. It’s of great concern and relevance to our residents. We currently depend on oil for the transport of our food and energy supplies and, really, for the basic survival of our residents and the systems of support we provide to them. I’m concerned about the planning we have done to ensure that our capacity for dealing with significant disruptions in oil supply is in force. I understand there’s an energy planning coordinating committee in most communities but that we have done in the coordinator positions.

I’d like to ask the Minister of MACA some questions about this, this afternoon. Thank you very much.

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Support For Persons With Disabilities

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, the government must do everything it can to ensure the protection of those among us who have disabilities, by way of mobility, wheelchair bound, from accessing public facilities to accessing public housing. The government must do everything it can to improve the quality of life of these individuals, as they are the ones that we are here to protect.

Mr. Speaker, I watched a young man struggling to push his wheelchair down the street in Fort McPherson by way of the mud and the gravel, thinking “That’s a challenge.” After talking to his dad, I found out this individual had nowhere to live, so he had to access public housing. The housing authority had to build a ramp for this individual to get into the unit. Yet after talking to his dad, I learned that this young man had to struggle and pull himself in and out of his wheelchair to get into the washroom because his wheelchair was too wide and he couldn’t get through the door.

He had to get out of his wheelchair, crawl into the washroom, crawl back out, get into his wheelchair, wheelchair his way down the hallway, go to his bedroom, crawl off his wheelchair, crawl into his bedroom and vice versa.

Mr. Speaker, in this day and age individuals with disabilities should not have to struggle to go to a washroom or have to struggle to get in and out of a public housing unit in our communities. This government and the Housing Corporation must develop a policy that allows for disabled housing in our communities, and also by way of seniors’ housing in regard to our aging population. I think it’s critical to have to hear these stories from parents in regard to their struggling children who are in wheelchairs. Also, by way of access to public housing, the individuals have to wait three months

before they are allowed into public housing because they have to move to another community.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

Unanimous consent granted.

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Support For Persons With Disabilities

Members’ Statements

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Again, Mr. Speaker, the individual had to move to Inuvik with his dad, because his dad got a job in Inuvik. Now he wants to move back to Fort McPherson, because his dad’s job will expire June 31. Yet it’s been less than a year since his dad left Fort McPherson, and now he’s being told by the housing authorities, “Sorry; you cannot get into a public housing unit, because you are not a resident of Fort McPherson.” If anything, a person with a disability should be our top priority and go to the front of the list for housing.

With that, I will be asking the Minister of housing questions on this matter, because I think it does need some urgent attention. These people struggle enough as it is to get through life without us as government putting barriers in their way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Recognition Of Father Jean Pochat

Members’ Statements

Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

This year marks a significant recognition for one of my well-respected community members of Behchoko, Father Pochat.

Mr. Speaker, considered a young man among the Tlicho Nation, Father Pochat celebrated his 80th birthday on April 18. Grandin College alumni held a special celebration event as well on May 17 to 18 to recognize Father Pochat for making positive changes in their lives.

Mr. Speaker, Father Pochat was the head

administrator of Grandin College in Fort Smith from 1950 to 1970. Under his leadership the college produced many of today’s Northerners, the leaders, including former Western Arctic MP Ethel Blondin-Andrews, former Premier Stephen Kakfwi, Tlicho Grand Chief George Mackenzie and, of course, two MLAs sitting here with us, Mr. Bob McLeod and Mike Miltenberger.

Father Pochat received the Order of Canada in 2006, one of the highest honours in Canada, for over five decades of lifetime achievement.

Mr. Speaker, we thank Father Pochat for all the years of service. Mahsi.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Lafferty . Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

The Speaker

Paul Delorey

It gives me great pleasure today to introduce a constituent and good friend of mine; Dawna O’Brien is in the Chamber today. Also, my constituency assistant, Deb Mageean, is in the gallery today.

We also have, visiting us here at the Legislative Assembly, students from grades 5 and 6 from École Boréale in Hay River, doing a tour of Yellowknife and the Legislative Assembly. I’ll introduce a few of them and then turn it over to my colleague from Hay River South, Mrs. Groenewegen .

I’d like to introduce Kelly Rose Hiebert, Jasmine St. John and Desiree Bouchard, and special recognition to my oldest grandson, Logan Gagnier.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

It is also my pleasure today to welcome the grades 5 and 6 students from École Boréale to the Legislative Assembly. I’d like to recognize my constituency assistant and thank her and your assistant, Mr. Speaker, for their help in planning this event today. I’d also like to recognize the teachers of these students: Kim Ivanko and Patrick Poisson. I’d also like to recognize the students — and give us a big wave — Mason Bruneau, Paige Kruger, Andrew Payeur and Andrea Walker.

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

I’d like to recognize in the gallery a constituent,

Mrs. Candy Brown, from Fort

Simpson.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to recognize a constituent and all the good work he does in the community in the area of addictions: Mr. Bern Richards.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik Boot Lake

Mr. Speaker, it gives me pleasure to recognize somebody who’s travelled down from Inuvik, Mr. Norm Snowshoe, as well as my executive assistant, Bobby-Jo Greenland.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

I, too, would like to recognize Mr. Norm Snowshoe and Bobby-Jo Greenland, formerly from Aklavik and Fort McPherson, who are now living in Inuvik.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

I as well have the honour to be able to recognize two constituents from Fort Smith, members of the Seniors’ Society, Mrs. Bea Campbell and Mr. Leon Peterson. Welcome.

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I’d like to recognize Blake Lyons, the president of the Yellowknife Seniors’ Society, an ex-city councillor and a constituent.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

I want to recognize a couple of people. First of all, Blake Lyons, former president of the NWT Association of Communities, and also a guy I went to college with: Norman Snowshoe, with whom I spent many long nights… studying.

Laughter.

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

He has now decided to enter the political arena and is running for the presidency of the Gwich’in Tribal Council. I’d like to welcome him here and also wish him the best of luck.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I’d like to recognize, down from Inuvik, Lillian Elias.

I’d also like to recognize my

sister-in-law, Bobby-Jo Greenland.

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I’d like to recognize Joseph Lanzon. I believe he used to work here in the Legislative Assembly in a previous life and now lives in Ottawa.

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Mr. Speaker, it’s my honour and privilege to recognize Ms. Jean Gruben, one of my constituents from Tuktoyaktuk, in the House.

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Recognition of Visitors in the Gallery

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, it gives me great honour to recognize from the NWT Seniors’ Society board of directors Leon Peterson from Fort Smith, Bea Campbell from Fort Smith, Eileen Collins from Hay River, Terry

Villeneuve from Fort

Resolution-Deninu Ku’e, Florence Barnaby from Radilih Koe’-Fort Good Hope, Lillian Elias from Inuvik, Jean Gruben from Tuktoyaktuk, Blake Lyons from Yellowknife, and Barb Hood, of course, the executive director.

I’d also like to recognize Norm Snowshoe. When we were going to school, we really did study hard.

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I also wanted to recognize Barb Hood, the executive director of the NWT Seniors’ Society.

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Robert Hawkins

Yellowknife Centre

I’d like to recognize Mr. Jim White. He’s the executive director of the Yellowknife Housing Authority here in Yellowknife and has come to a number of sessions. He does a good job down there.

Sorry to disappoint Mr. Abernethy , but I’d also like to recognize Mr. Blake Lyons as my constituent.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

If we’ve missed anyone in the gallery today, thanks for being here. I hope you’re enjoying the proceedings. It’s always nice to have an audience in here.

Item 6, acknowledgements. Item 7, oral questions. The honourable Member for Tu Nedhe , Mr. Beaulieu .

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Question 192-16(2) Devolution And Resource Revenue Sharing

Oral Questions

Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Earlier this afternoon I spoke about the impact that the diamond mines have on the Tu Nedhe riding in relation to the diamond industry and the resource revenue arrangements for the NWT. I’d like to ask the Premier if he would tell us what discussions his government has had with the federal government regarding resource revenue sharing.

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Question 192-16(2) Devolution And Resource Revenue Sharing

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Beaulieu . The Hon. Premier , Mr. Roland .

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Question 192-16(2) Devolution And Resource Revenue Sharing

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

We’ve had a number of discussions, both with the federal government as well as with the regional aboriginal leadership, around the issue of devolution and resource revenue sharing. I’ve had an opportunity to speak with the Prime Minister on this issue, as well as with Minister Strahl, regarding devolution and resource revenue sharing. We continue to have some discussions and try to see where we may be able to move this file.

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Question 192-16(2) Devolution And Resource Revenue Sharing

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Can the Premier tell us: what is the position of this current government with respect to resource revenue sharing?

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Question 192-16(2) Devolution And Resource Revenue Sharing

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

The first position we came forward with was one to see where we were as the Government of the Northwest Territories, have an initial meeting with the regional aboriginal leadership and see if there was continued support from the groups on moving forward with this file. In the last government there was a proposal sent forward to the government. We had that discussion. We know the same groups continue to be on side. Others say they’ve got other initiatives to proceed with before they want to see this file moved along. So we’ve had that discussion.

From our perspective, as Members know, we’re looking to improve programs and services across the North. We know we need a new revenue source. We continue to work along the lines of wanting to move this file forward and, hopefully, bringing it to a conclusion so all Northerners can benefit from the development that happens here in the Northwest Territories.

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Question 192-16(2) Devolution And Resource Revenue Sharing

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Can the Premier tell us what impacts resource revenue sharing could have on our budget and our current transfer payment system?

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Question 192-16(2) Devolution And Resource Revenue Sharing

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Past numbers have been put out there; for example, dollar figures in the area of $224 million a year that flow to Ottawa in the form of royalties. Now the federal government says the

Norman Wells situation has to be excluded from that. We look at the last public accounts that were filed with the federal government, and the most recent figure that we’ve seen from the other mining industries has shown that it’s been in the neighbourhood of $34 million. You take a look at the equalization program that has formulated along with the territorial formula financing, and the inclusion and exclusion — 50 per cent included and 50 per cent excluded. That means, for example, the last public account number of $34 million: if you split that in half, that’s how we would benefit in the North.

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Question 192-16(2) Devolution And Resource Revenue Sharing

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Tom Beaulieu

Tu Nedhe

Just a question for the Premier on whether or not the $17 million benefit as a result of resource revenue sharing is a full increase of what we get now or if that’s what we’re going to get — period.

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Question 192-16(2) Devolution And Resource Revenue Sharing

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Inuvik Boot Lake

Floyd Roland

Premier

Under the existing scenario it would fluctuate year to year, depending on what the industry in the North pays to the federal government. It did at one point — I believe it was 2003–2004 numbers — and then we combined it with the mining, oil and gas development in the North, along with Norman Wells, and we came up with a figure of approximately $224 million.

Estimates have been made. For example, if the Mackenzie gas pipeline falls in place, that could almost double or even go larger, depending on the royalty rate that’s put in place. But we know, for example, that royalties aren’t paid until some of the corporate costs are paid off. That’s what happened, for example, with our mining industry. So if they reinvest again, as the mines have done in the North, we’ve also seen the reason for the drop in the royalty payments.

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Question 192-16(2) Devolution And Resource Revenue Sharing

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member for Great Slave , Mr. Abernethy .

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Question 193-16(2) Cost Of Maintaining Vacant Housing In Fort Resolution

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

My questions today are to the Minister Responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation and relate specifically to the houses that were constructed in Fort Res that now sit vacant. It’s my understanding that at least three of these homes were built by the Housing Corp. through the home ownership program and that, once constructed, there were no eligible candidates to actually take over those houses. So they’ve been sitting vacant for two years.

My question to the Minister is: what criteria are used in determining which community these homes are built in, in anticipation that they will be purchased through the home ownership program?

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Question 193-16(2) Cost Of Maintaining Vacant Housing In Fort Resolution

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Member. The honourable Minister Responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 193-16(2) Cost Of Maintaining Vacant Housing In Fort Resolution

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There are a number of criteria. Availability of clients would be one, of course. Another key piece is the whole issue of land and the interest by the community.

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Question 193-16(2) Cost Of Maintaining Vacant Housing In Fort Resolution

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

Once again to the Minister Responsible for the Housing Corp. Clearly, in this case there were no eligible candidates. I’d be curious, first, why they were actually built in that community.

Secondly, now that we know there are no candidates and the houses have sat vacant for two years, I’m wondering what the Housing Corp. is planning to do and whether they’re planning to work with, say, Education, Culture and Employment to find alternative uses for those houses. Every day that we leave those houses vacant and we have to pay for heat, it costs the government. So what are the plans, and how does the Housing Corp. plan to dispose of this asset, whether through selling it or giving it to another department to use it another way?

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Question 193-16(2) Cost Of Maintaining Vacant Housing In Fort Resolution

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

There are a number of possibilities that are being considered. In other communities we have rented the units to professionals, those who want to rent it at market rent. We’re possibly looking at replacing some of the older units, those that aren’t worth fixing, with public housing, because O&M money is a significant issue. We have to keep our portfolio in check. We’re prepared, in some cases, to sell the units if there’s interest in the community as well. So there are a number of options that are available.

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Question 193-16(2) Cost Of Maintaining Vacant Housing In Fort Resolution

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Glen Abernethy

Great Slave

I was wondering if I can get from the Minister some sort of commitment as to when something might actually happen with these houses. The longer they sit vacant, the more they cost us. At a time of fiscal restraint it seems like a bit of a poor use of our public funds. Can I get some commitment or a timeline on when we might see those assets disposed of in some way?

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Question 193-16(2) Cost Of Maintaining Vacant Housing In Fort Resolution

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I will commit to provide to the Chair of the Social Programs Committee a brief note that lays out the plan for the units in Fort Resolution.

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Question 193-16(2) Cost Of Maintaining Vacant Housing In Fort Resolution

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Minister. The Member for Frame Lake , Ms. Bisaro .

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Question 194-16(2) Housing For Families With Disabled Parents

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I’d like to follow up on the Member’s statement by my

colleague Mr. Krutko . As he stated, there’s certainly recognition that the availability of housing for disabled persons is a problem in the Territories.

Within Yellowknife the Housing Corporation recently built an eight-plex unit that was specifically earmarked for people with disabilities. That’s great that it was built, but these eight units are only open to people who are single or who are married couples. I’d like to ask the Minister for the Housing Corporation how a disabled single mother with children would be accommodated under this scenario.

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Question 194-16(2) Housing For Families With Disabled Parents

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Ms. Bisaro . The honourable Minister Responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 194-16(2) Housing For Families With Disabled Parents

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, every effort would be made to accommodate the hypothetical scenario put forward by my colleague. I’d need a bit more of the specifics to be able to look at exactly what may be available not just for those particular units; there may be other options as well in Yellowknife.

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Question 194-16(2) Housing For Families With Disabled Parents

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I understand that things have to be looked at, but this family is currently housed in public housing. They have a lease that is going to be expiring on the 30th of June, and they’ve been advised that their lease will not be renewed. I’d like to ask the Housing Minister what policy or what restrictions are in place that would force this family to move out of their home.

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Question 194-16(2) Housing For Families With Disabled Parents

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, if the Member would give me the particulars outside this House, I would be happy to check into those issues she’s raised. I can’t answer specifically in this House. She’s referring to some folks who are clearly in need, but it’s an issue for which I need particulars I could track down. It’s not appropriate to talk about those particular issues in this House.

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Question 194-16(2) Housing For Families With Disabled Parents

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Wendy Bisaro

Frame Lake

I will follow up with you.

I’d like to know whether or not the Minister can advise if there are any plans in the near future to build housing units within the city of Yellowknife for families where the parent or parents may be disabled and they happen to have children — two children, let’s say, or three or four.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, we’re in the final year of the fiscal year we’re currently in of the Affordable Housing Initiative. I don’t have, off the top of my head, the configuration of what’s actually been planned for the city of Yellowknife, but I’ll commit, once again, to get that information, and I’ll provide it to the Chair of the Social Programs Committee so he can share that information.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member for Kam Lake , Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 195-16(2) Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . It gets back to my Member’s statement from earlier today, when I talked of the accrued deficit that’s building up at Stanton Territorial Hospital. It’s nearing 11 and a half million dollars. I mentioned earlier that it was just two and a half years ago that Members of this House approved millions of dollars to help address the deficit situation at Stanton through supplementary appropriation.

I’d like to ask the Minister, first of all, what is the government’s plan to address the 11 and a half million dollar deficit that’s been allowed to accrue due to mismanagement or underfunding at that hospital?

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Question 195-16(2) Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Ramsay . The honourable Minister of Health , Ms. Lee .

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Question 195-16(2) Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, over the last two or three years, as the Member stated, the Stanton health authority has been experiencing a significant amount of deficit. It did have surpluses even before that. The government, over the years, has provided infusions of cash, but it was thought that it was important to figure out exactly what was causing the deficit — whether or not the authority was being underfunded or whether there were others ways to control the growth of spending. So there has not been any infusion of cash while we’re going through this.

I would like to advise the Member that I believe the document to deal with the deficit is now in the hands of the standing committee, and we will be able to debate and then work on that issue during the life of this session, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 195-16(2) Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, the Minister mentioned that we haven’t provided an infusion of cash, but just two and a half years ago we spent millions of dollars as an infusion of cash to address the deficit at that hospital. I’m asking the Minister: what is the government’s plan today to address the 11 and a half million dollar deficit at Stanton Territorial Hospital?

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Question 195-16(2) Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, when the Member states that the government has given millions and millions of infusion, I think it should be noted that it was in the amount of about $1.3 million two years ago. The policy is that each authority has to be responsible for 50 per cent of a deficit. That’s been the policy that we’ve been following. I think that it was incumbent on the government to know exactly what was causing the cost overruns not only with

the Stanton Territorial Health Authority but also with the Beaufort-Delta Health and Social Services Authority, which has another significant deficit, as well as some of the minor ones.

Mr. Speaker, I can advise you — and the Member is well aware of this, because I did provide a briefing to the Standing Committee on Social Programs on April 30, where the Member was present. I did go through the initial findings of the zero-based review, which did review some of the spending questions. I have appointed a new public administrator with a very wide mandate to look at more details into what might be possible reasons. I have asked that the public administrator make recommendations to me within three months, which I have committed to the committee to go back to.

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to thank the Minister for letting everybody know that I attended that committee briefing. Thank you.

I also wanted to ask the Minister — and she mentioned it. Between a year and a half and two years ago, when it appeared through a supplementary appropriation, and today, what is causing the cost overruns and the accrued deficit in our health authorities? The Minister should know what is causing that, and we should be able to address it, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 195-16(2) Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, I believe this is an issue about health care costs. It’s not about a this-side or a that-side issue. It’s a consensus government issue, and it’s one that we need to work on together.

I can tell the Member, Mr. Speaker, that the zero-based review has given us an idea about how much shortfall the authorities are experiencing, and it’s strictly financial cost accounting kind of information.

I need more information, more detailed information, as to whether or not there should be changes needed in the way we deliver our programs, whether we should be delivering the programs that we are, and if not, how. Should there be amalgamation of programs, or are there programs that we can no longer afford? Are there other ways of doing this? Those are the kinds of questions that the Member should expect the Minister of Health to do. I am doing that. I will have those results, and I will be reporting to the House through the committee.

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Question 195-16(2) Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Ramsay .

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Question 195-16(2) Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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David Ramsay

Kam Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I guess it’s consensus by convenience some days in the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories.

I’d like to ask the Minister: who today is currently paying the payroll at Stanton Territorial Hospital? Thank you.

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Question 195-16(2) Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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Range Lake

Sandy Lee

Minister of Health and Social Services

Mr. Speaker, as the Member has already stated — and this is public information — Stanton territorial authority has an accumulated deficit of $11 million, and it is not able to make all of its payrolls. FMBS is assuming that responsibility at the moment. Thank you.

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Question 195-16(2) Accumulated Deficit At Stanton Territorial Hospital

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 196-16(2) Wrigley Ferry Service

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Mr. Speaker, my questions today are for the Minister of Transportation . I’ve been getting numerous phone calls from the community of Wrigley. As well, I’ve received a petition with regard to the N’Dulee ferry not being operated, and they’re very concerned about it being delayed a week already. They do not know how much longer it’ll be delayed. If the Minister can answer that question. Mahsi.

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Question 196-16(2) Wrigley Ferry Service

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The honourable Minister of Transportation , Mr. Yakeleya .

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Question 196-16(2) Wrigley Ferry Service

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Mahsi. Mr. Speaker, the N’Dulee ferry has undergone some major refits. I’d advise the Member and the good people of Wrigley that our department has put a lot of resources into this issue. We’re keeping the community of Wrigley and also the Member updated on the status of when we can get the ferry into the water to deal with the issue of their children going to Hay River for the track and field event.

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Question 196-16(2) Wrigley Ferry Service

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Absolutely that’s the content of the petition. The schoolchildren are very concerned about making the track and field event, which is one of the best attended events in our North, and with our gracious host.

Once again, the communities still don’t understand why the department waited until springtime to conduct these repairs when they should have been done before and not interrupt the travelling public, not to mention the residents of Wrigley who want to get out, too, for their grocery shopping, et cetera.

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Question 196-16(2) Wrigley Ferry Service

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, our first priority within the department is the safety of our facilities, our streets, our roads.

When we originally looked at the refit for the N’Dulee ferry, when the scope of work was laid out, it was planned that we would do this before any of this type of delay would be happening for this specific ferry.

When we looked at the refit and saw that further work needed to get done within the ferry, that required us to put in extra resources and time, and those other circumstances that happened are out of our control.

Again, we want to make sure that we do a proper job. Safety is number one, and sometimes it does make it inconvenient for people in small communities.

I come from a small community in our region, in Sahtu, and we are also aware of these winter roads and the undue circumstances that happen that hinder our transportation of goods — and people to events such as the well-attended event that is happening in Hay River.

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Question 196-16(2) Wrigley Ferry Service

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Well, the next logical question. They’ve been telling me: “Our trip’s been interrupted. We’ve done our planning; the department didn’t. Is the department willing to contribute to some of the costs of getting us across the river, getting us to our sporting event?” Indeed, constituents are also asking for assistance to get out, because it’s not their fault, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 196-16(2) Wrigley Ferry Service

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, I want to let the Members know that when the department looks at major refits of our ferries or operations, we do very meticulous planning in terms of things that are happening and what needs to happen.

I took on the job in October. I had to look at what things had to get done. I asked these serious questions. The department has looked at this type of operation that needs to happen. Safety is number one. I do sympathize with the people in Wrigley and other communities. I have faced similar situations, and we’re doing everything within our means to make sure that the ferry is in before the track and field event does take place.

However, our first priority, again, is safety. If we do not do an adequate job, we would come to this situation again in the middle of our operations, and that’s something that we’re not entertaining right now.

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Question 196-16(2) Wrigley Ferry Service

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Menicoche .

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Question 196-16(2) Wrigley Ferry Service

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Kevin A. Menicoche

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I'd like to ask the Minister: is there an expected operating date when the repairs will be completed, and could they convey the progress to the community of Wrigley as they see it? Mahsi.

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Question 196-16(2) Wrigley Ferry Service

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Sahtu

Norman Yakeleya

Minister of Transportation

Mr. Speaker, I've informed my officials to keep the community of Wrigley informed in terms of the dates. We're working very hard to ensure that the ferry operation is in the waters by the end of this month, and have it tested, have it inspected, have it checked off okay so that we could help out the community of Wrigley. Certainly we'll do everything in our powers to make sure this happens and put some smiles on some of the children in Wrigley.

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Question 197-16(2) Community Energy Supply Emergency Plans

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . I know he was well practised in the swimming actions there. I'm interested if our ferries are dead in the water without a fuel supply. Other than that response, has the Minister ensured, given the volatility of fuel supplies and the increasing uncertainty, that our communities have developed effective emergency management plans to deal with that situation?

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Question 197-16(2) Community Energy Supply Emergency Plans

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mr. Michael McLeod .

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Question 197-16(2) Community Energy Supply Emergency Plans

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, the issue of oil, fuel, and the associated costs, and supply is certainly something that we wrestle with on a daily basis. Today I think the price of oil is pegged at over $1.28. All our communities across the North face the challenges of not only the high costs but the additional costs of transportation and having it delivered to our communities. In most cases our communities are responsible for their own supply. There is a market in most of the communities.

We, on the other hand, as a government look after the supply and storage and sale in 15 communities across the North. More recently we've also incorporated supply for the Power Corporation, and that's brought on an additional 20 sites, which has given us a lot more flexibility in terms of economies of scale.

We have had numerous discussions with suppliers across the North, and we have looked at alternate methods of getting the fuel into the communities, especially the communities on the north end of the Northwest Territories, from Norman Wells north along the river system in the Beaufort area. We are looking at markets in California and also in Asia that will allow us to have flexibility. If there’s a short supply in one area, that will allow us to go to a different area. So we've had quite a bit of discussion.

In terms of an emergency fuel supply it's something that's always, of course, an issue. We deal with it on a situation-by-situation basis. However, we've not had that situation in isolated communities. It's something we continue to work on.

All our communities are responsible for energy plans, and this is something that they would look at also. We've had a number of communities move forward on those plans, and we continue to work on that.

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Question 197-16(2) Community Energy Supply Emergency Plans

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Mr. Speaker, I'll take that as a no, in effect.

The Minister has not ensured that there are emergency plans. Every community in the Northwest Territories faces this potential. I'm talking about the declining ability of global production to meet global demand, and of course, we're totally dependent on demand. As per my Member's statement there's solid evidence that that concern is increasing.

I'm looking for a commitment from the Minister. Will the Minister commit to do more than just discussing it and actually put in place emergency plans if communities are faced with a complete lack of fuel supply, oil in particular?

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Question 197-16(2) Community Energy Supply Emergency Plans

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I don't know how he got a no out of what I thought was a yes.

All our communities have an adequate supply. We have the ability to make alternate arrangements if there is a situation where there is a need. We've not encountered that. We have new sources of supply that don't lock us into one source. We're flexible, and our fuel provider has indicated to us that there are a number of different areas where they can get the fuel from, so it's not an issue.

An emergency fuel supply at this point I don't think is something we need to do. We have adequate facilities in each community that will provide that fuel, and to have a commitment to say that we will have an emergency supply is just something that we're not ready to do at this point.

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Question 197-16(2) Community Energy Supply Emergency Plans

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you for those remarks. I'm not necessarily insisting that we have an emergency fuel supply, but I would like to know that the communities have some plan to deal with a complete shortage. Even if they do have an emergency supply, perhaps it won't be enough to get them through a period of time when the oil shortage occurs.

In 1973, of course, we experienced that with gasoline, but now with peak oil, we're on the declining side. We’re on the other side of 50 per cent of the fuel oil availability in the world, so this is a real situation. We're entering sort of a new era, if you will, and that's what these agencies are realizing, and I think we need to be progressive.

So, again, will the Minister commit to encouraging, promoting emergency preparedness plans for serious and significant disruptions in oil supplies by the communities?

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Question 197-16(2) Community Energy Supply Emergency Plans

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, we do have all communities working on an integrated sustainability plan for the long term, and part of that plan is to have the capital plan included, the human resource plan and also a community energy plan. Thirty-two communities have already completed their portion of the capital process and the capital

plans. We have eight communities that are working on energy plans.

Now, we have a system where we have resources and will continue to support the communities to look at other sources of fuel. At this point we have not indicated and earmarked any sort of alternate energy or additional fuel sources that we would specifically term as emergency. It's something we'd like to have at some point. At this point we're not in the position to have the communities specifically earmark alternate energy or an alternate fuel system in case of an emergency. That's something that would have to come down the road.

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Question 197-16(2) Community Energy Supply Emergency Plans

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final short supplementary, Mr. Bromley .

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Question 197-16(2) Community Energy Supply Emergency Plans

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Bob Bromley

Weledeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and thank you for those remarks, Minister. Of course, this is a real situation. Inuvik failed to get their fuel supply last year, and the surrounding communities suffered accordingly. Residents paid more and so on. But it wasn't a real shortage, and that's obviously a real possibility.

For the Minister's information, catastrophic events are going up by about an order of magnitude around the world, both in costs and frequency, so we can expect this to be a real situation.

I understand that we're losing our emergency preparedness coordinator. I'm asking that the Minister reconsider that. Will the Minister reconsider that position in light of this increasing need for emergency preparedness? Thank you.

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Question 197-16(2) Community Energy Supply Emergency Plans

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Michael McLeod

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I fully recognize that there have been emergency situations and that fuel is of short supply. Incidents happen across the world. We have not yet encountered that in the Northwest Territories. We’ve had situations where some fuel suppliers were not able to get the supply that they required. They were able to work around it. We provided support and will continue to do that.

We recently met with some of the people that deliver the fuel and talked about looking at new methods and new sources and trying to rectify the situation that happened last year. We are not in a position right now to reconsider the position that has been targeted for reduction. We are, on the other hand, hiring and creating a new position titled sustainability coordinator, which will be funded through gas tax dollars. It will provide direct support to the communities that will continue to work on this plan. There are four different areas, but all communities are working on it, and this will help them complete those documents.

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Question 198-16(2) Support For Public Servants Considering Retirement

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, in my Member’s statement I talked about the fact that I get calls from constituents on a fairly consistent basis talking about their frustration with getting information on retirement options and support for planning their retirement and then acquiring the pension benefits that are due to them. There are certainly examples of private- and public-sector industry standards in this area. I want to make sure that our public service is entitled to, and is receiving, that same level of service that anyone else would expect.

Mr. Speaker, I’d like to ask the Minister of Human Resources what kind of support is available now in the Department of Human Resources for people who are wanting to plan for their retirement options.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Minister of Human Resources .

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Question 198-16(2) Support For Public Servants Considering Retirement

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

We have pension specialists within the Department of Human Resources who are available to assist. Also, all employees are encouraged to take pre-retirement training programs through their department.

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Question 198-16(2) Support For Public Servants Considering Retirement

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Is the pre-retirement program that was advertised and sent out to all government recipients — the one that costs $400 — intended for people planning to retire? Does our government expect retiring employees to pay $400 to learn about their retirement options?

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Question 198-16(2) Support For Public Servants Considering Retirement

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, our government is very supportive of pre-retirement planning. Generally, if the training is approved by the supervisor, we pay for their costs. If there is a cost associated with the pre-retirement training program — and I should point out that many of the courses we put on through our GNWT training calendar have costs associated with them — we would cover those costs if they’re approved by our supervisors.

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Question 198-16(2) Support For Public Servants Considering Retirement

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Just so I understand: if an employee was coming up for retirement and wanted to take the two-day pre-retirement course and there was a fee of $400, the territorial government might or might not pay for that, depending on the approval of the manager of that employee. Is that correct?

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Question 198-16(2) Support For Public Servants Considering Retirement

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, generally, we encourage employees to take the pre-retirement training earlier in their careers rather than a year or six months before the time to retire, and generally, we pay for one pre-retirement training course per employee.

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Question 198-16(2) Support For Public Servants Considering Retirement

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 198-16(2) Support For Public Servants Considering Retirement

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River South

Mr. Speaker, in information I was able to get from the Department of Human Resources, they said there’s currently a backlog of requests for personalized pension counselling. I’d like to know what the nature of that backlog is and why, for a department with 125 employees in headquarters, there would be a backlog.

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Question 198-16(2) Support For Public Servants Considering Retirement

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

I guess there are a number of reasons for the backlog. Our government workforce is aging. I think 40 per cent of our employees are eligible to retire within the next ten years, so I would expect that is the reason for the backlog.

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Question 199-16(2) Social Services Supports In Small Communities

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Mr.

Speaker, would the

Department of ECE perhaps consider increasing income support allocations in the small communities?

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Question 199-16(2) Social Services Supports In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 199-16(2) Social Services Supports In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, the Department of Education, Culture and Employment has recently increased our income security program to meet the needs of the community — the demands of the high cost of living in the community: the clothing, the food, the shelter. So we did increase in that area. That is one area that has been highlighted from our previous visit to the communities. So that has been initiated.

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Question 199-16(2) Social Services Supports In Small Communities

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

That was quick, Mr. Minister. Thank you.

Would the government, perhaps the Minister of ECE , consider setting the task force to study homelessness in the smaller communities?

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Question 199-16(2) Social Services Supports In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Thank you, Mr. Jacobson . We are going into a different line of questioning here. I will allow the Minister to answer. Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 199-16(2) Social Services Supports In Small Communities

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. To deal with the isolated small communities, those particularly without road access, we do provide funding for shelters or programming, and certainly my department can work with the Member to highlight what we have done, what we have currently in the program. I can certainly assist with those communities based on their needs to deal with homelessness. So we do have programs available for that.

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Question 199-16(2) Social Services Supports In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Supplementary, Mr. Jacobson .

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have none at this time.

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Question 200-16(2) Barrier-Free Housing For Disabled Persons In Small Communities

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr.

Speaker, in regard to my

Member’s statement in the area of people with disabilities that live in small communities and the challenges that they face — more importantly, the lack of houses in our communities to accommodate people with disabilities — this government has taken steps to look at barrier-free houses. I know that the Member for Yellowknife mentioned that there were the eight units built here in Yellowknife. In regard to barrier-free houses, we have built houses in seniors’ housing which are barrier-free. We have built seniors’ facilities which are barrier-free.

We have the expertise in-house to do that, yet we seem to have a problem accommodating people in small communities, to be able to facilitate them with the adequate housing that they need which are barrier-free.

I have been in contact with the Minister on a particular matter in Fort McPherson, about an individual and his son who is in a wheelchair. I’d like to ask the Minister: exactly what is his department doing to look at barrier-free houses in small communities to accommodate people with disabilities?

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Question 200-16(2) Barrier-Free Housing For Disabled Persons In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Minister Responsible for the Housing Corporation , Mr. Miltenberger .

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, we intend to follow the same process in all communities where there is an identified need. As we are working with communities to look at the housing configuration as to what is most appropriate, I do agree with the government that there are some things that should probably become standard design for all houses — things like three-foot doorways and access for an event, if something happens if an individual is in the house. So the Member has raised some good points.

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Question 200-16(2) Barrier-Free Housing For Disabled Persons In Small Communities

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr.

Speaker, as government our

public infrastructure is aging; we have to replace it. I think this is probably a good time to build that concept into reality, build it into our business plan, build it into our housing strategies and initiatives. I’d like to ask the Minister: exactly how soon can we see some of these initiatives put in place, knowing we are expending money already to basically do upgrades on public housing units by way of retrofits? Will you consider looking at those retrofit dollars, at those facilities for renovating, to see if we can implement some of these projects in communities where you have individuals who are disabled, in a wheelchair, or perhaps have mobility problems that we need to accommodate?

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Question 200-16(2) Barrier-Free Housing For Disabled Persons In Small Communities

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Once we conclude this budget process, we’re going to be moving almost immediately into the business planning process for 2009–2010. We’d be willing and interested to come forward in the business plan. We could discuss those issues as well, sit down with the Chair of the Social Programs and the other Members to look at how we can make changes to the program delivery to better reflect the needs and issues raised by the Member.

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Question 200-16(2) Barrier-Free Housing For Disabled Persons In Small Communities

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, also in my Member’s statement I took issue with regard to the residency clause that’s in place for individuals who are born and raised in their home communities. They’re band members in those communities, but if they leave the community for less than a year and come back to the home community, they have to wait three months before they can get into public housing. Yet there are vacancies.

I’d like to ask the Minister: is there a possibility that the Minister or the department can make special exemptions for people who are disabled, people who have already been in public housing within that year when there are vacancies on the board so that they don’t have to wait three months before they can get public housing? I’d like to ask the Minister if he’s able to do anything in that area.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, the Member has raised another good point. In the case that he’s referring to, there has been contact made with the community, and I believe the three-month residency has been waived in that particular instance.

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Question 200-16(2) Barrier-Free Housing For Disabled Persons In Small Communities

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

Final supplementary, Mr. Krutko .

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Question 200-16(2) Barrier-Free Housing For Disabled Persons In Small Communities

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Most jurisdictions in Canada, the provinces and whatnot, have a housing strategy. Part of that strategy looks at seniors’ housing, family homes, retirement homes, disabled housing, homeless shelters. They look at every type of housing that’s out there. So I’d like to ask the Minister: would his department take on a strategic plan to look at the holistic process for housing from the time you’re born until the time you pass away — 80 to 90 years of housing that people go through? I think it’s about time this government took on that initiative.

I think we won’t have these problems in our communities with housing for the disabled, accommodating people with disabilities or mobility problems such as aging.

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Question 200-16(2) Barrier-Free Housing For Disabled Persons In Small Communities

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

The Housing

Corporation just released their Framework for Action to lay out the plan for the next number of years. It’s been to the appropriate committee. We’ve received feedback with some suggestions that we’re going to look at. We’re going to look at improving that document as we move forward. There will be the business planning process coming

up as well that will allow us to further refine that document.

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The Speaker

Paul Delorey

The Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes , Mr. Robert McLeod .

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Question 201-16(2) Proposed Demolition Of The Inuvik Learning Centre

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Bob McLeod

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, in my Member’s statement I spoke to the proposed demolition of the Learning Centre in Inuvik. I would like to pose my questions today to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . I’d like to ask: what’s the status of the adult Learning Centre right now? When is it slated for demolition?

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Paul Delorey

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Lafferty .

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Question 201-16(2) Proposed Demolition Of The Inuvik Learning Centre

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Mr. Speaker, there was a petition, as the Member indicated in his Member’s statement, to myself from the students of Inuvik concerned about the closing down of the facility. Currently the status is that the facility is scheduled to close in August 2008. It was under the advisement of the Department of Public Works and Services due to safety concerns. Public Works and Services also manages the risk management and safety programs that assess the condition and safety of all GNWT assets and buildings. Due to that fact we’re in a situation at this point, but we are looking at other options as well.

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