Debates of Feb. 26th, 1998

This is page numbers 1141 - 1175 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

GNWT Job Evaluation System

Passing Of Fred Blake Sr.

The Need For Arctic Winter Games Volunteers

Special Needs Teachers - Funding Shortages

Inuvik Region Detoxification Centre

Commissioner's Awards Recipients

Funding Shortages For Educational Initiatives

Hay River Youth Centre

Allocation Of Budget Surpluses To Priority Areas

Diamond Mining Spin-off Industries

Greetings From Mother To Sons

Return To Oral Question 296-13(5): Commitment Authority Of Deputy Ministers

Return To Oral Question 301-13(5): Pregnancy And Sexually Transmitted Disease Rates Among Teens

Return To Oral Question 327-13(5): Cleanup Of Cape Christian

Return To Oral Question 398-13(5): Reallocation Of Fire Suppression Surplus

Return To Oral Question 315-13(5): Interest Relief For Business Credit Corporation Loans

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Funding Shortages For Educational Initiatives

Diamond Industry Task Force

GNWT Job Evaluation System

Inuvik Region Detoxification Centre

Income Support Appeals Process

Office Lease Negotiations Process

Relocation Of Hall Beach Power Station

Commitment Authority Of Deputy Ministers

Yellowknife Office Space Plan

Policy On Grollier Hall Issue

Relocation Of Community Power Stations

Addressing Regional Coordination

Delegation Of Expenditure Authority

Regulatory Reform Initiative

Outpost Camp Establishment Process

Item 8: Returns To Written Questions

Return To Written Question 8-13(5): Costs For Drug And Alcohol Treatment

Reply 3-13(5): Mr. Arlooktoo

Reply 4-13(5): Mrs. Groenewegen

Tabled Document 60-13(5): Consolidation Of Government Contract RegulationsTabled Document 61-13(5): Financial Administration Manual Directive 808-1Tabled Document 62-13(5): Excerpt From Public Works And Services Purchasing Guidelines - Obtaining BidsTabled Document 63-13(5): Excerpt From Public Works And Services Purchasing Guidelines - Principles Of TenderingTabled Document 64-13(5): Excerpt From Public Works And Services Purchasing Guidelines - Introduction To Proposals

Tabled Document 65-13(5): Excerpt From The Budget Plan 1998 - Finance Minister Martin's Budget Address

Tabled Document 66-13(5): NWT Housing Corporation 1996-97 Annual Report

Tabled Document 67-13(5): Pond Inlet District Education Authority Resolution Regarding Education Funding ShortagesTabled Document 68-13(5): Package Of Letters Supporting Pond Inlet Dea Resolution On Education Funding Shortages

Coordination Of Inter-jurisdictional And Inter-departmental Initiatives

Bill 7:

An Act To Amend The Territorial Court Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Good afternoon. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 327-13(5): GNWT Job Evaluation System

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to rise today to speak briefly once again about the new job evaluation system that is being brought in by the government. It seems to me, Mr. Speaker, there are rumblings from all quarters on this particular system and I am concerned about some of the disparities that seem to exist within departments. For example, I understand tradesmen with four-year journeyman tickets have been evaluated not much higher than clerical positions. This also leads to the concern as well with health, for instance, how the nurses and social workers are rated.

If there is disparity within departments, is there disparity across departments as well? My understanding was the intent of this system was to ensure that there was a certain consistency throughout government for jobs that were at the same level of complexity and requirements for education and experience.

I would hope the government considers this evaluation system at this point a work in progress, listens very carefully to the feedback and concerns being raised and take some steps to adjust the system to make it a truly workable representative system of evaluation that will have a buy-in from the employees and the union, as well as the government. It is a critical piece of work. It is long overdue. It is tied into pay equity.

There is a lot riding on this and I would strongly encourage the government to make the steps necessary to, in fact, reflect the changes and see if we can move on with a system that does meet all the needs and demands. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 327-13(5): GNWT Job Evaluation System

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 328-13(5): Passing Of Fred Blake Sr.

Item 3: Members' Statements

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It is with further sadness from my constituency that I present my statement today, Mr. Speaker. Early yesterday morning, the people of Fort McPherson lost another one of their respected and treasured elders, Mr. Fred Blake, Senior, who was suffering from a weakening illness for the remaining few months of his life. Fred Blake Senior succumbed to his illness, but not without giving a fight to the end. Fred Blake Senior was born in East Branch on the Mackenzie River in 1917 and was the son of Arthur and Elizabeth Blake.

Fred and his wife, Elizabeth George, were married in 1937 and had a family of 14 children, all of whom are still alive today. They also have more than 37 grandchildren.

As an active young man, Fred was always involved in his traditional way of life. That is how he raised his family, through hunting, fishing and trapping on a daily basis. He had plenty of energy left when he came back to the communities to join in football and also in square dancing and jigging.

For many years, Fred was the local water delivery man in Fort McPherson. He carried out his duties diligently and effectively. Although Fred was retired and collecting Old Age Pension, he remained active in the social structure of the community. He participated in square dancing, calling on a regular basis and Fred was present along with other musicians of the local community to always be there to entertain the community. Despite getting on in age, Fred continued to get back to the land every spring to pursue his traditional way of life at Husky River.

He was also known as a nice old man who loved to joke and tease, especially to the younger people, making people laugh regardless if it was on the street or in his home. Fred was always there for everyone.

On behalf of my constituency and myself and family, I offer my sincere condolences and sympathy to Fred's family, his wife Elizabeth and all his children and grandchildren. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 328-13(5): Passing Of Fred Blake Sr.

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 329-13(5): The Need For Arctic Winter Games Volunteers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to assist the Arctic Winter Games. Mr. Speaker, the Arctic Winter Games Committee requires volunteers to help put together beds for the participants who will be coming to Yellowknife. On March 13th and 14th, they will be working in four-hour shifts and require quite a few volunteers yet to put those beds together. At this time, on behalf of the Members who will be in town and the staff at the Legislative Assembly, I am putting forth a challenge to the other departments to see who would put

in the biggest teams to put these beds together, Mr. Speaker.

The person to contact, of course, is Dan Schofield. His phone number is 873-7755. His fax number is 920-6467 and I have been asked to give the information that volunteers will be provided with a t-shirt as long as they register. You do not have to register yourself, just put in your name and the volunteers there will fill out the registration forms for you. As I said, they need quite a few people to do this. It will be done in three four-hour shifts, two on Friday and one on Saturday.

Someone has passed me a note asking what job am I doing. I will be the foreman. Thank you.

--Laughter/Applause

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Member's Statement 329-13(5): The Need For Arctic Winter Games Volunteers

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Member's Statement 330-13(5): Special Needs Teachers - Funding Shortages

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to express my concern with the lack of sufficient special needs' teachers in our Arctic communities. The NWT communities are experiencing difficulties in school operations, mainly due to the cutbacks in funding. There are more students enroled in school, but there are fewer teachers to meet the needs of all the students, not to mention the lack of teachers for special needs' students. There is little to no funding to support an Inuktitut curriculum or quality Inuktitut programs for the students.

The cost of living in the Arctic is much higher than anywhere else in Canada. This presents a large problem when government initiatives deliver budget cutbacks on living allowances, base salaries, vacation travel allowances and other allowances. The quality and experience in teachers that are needed are at a risk with all the cutbacks in funding. Fewer teachers will flow into the High Arctic if funding is continually cut, which means our young people will have a limited education. I believe that it is important for our children to have a good education.

We need good teachers to provide that and if we start to take risks with our children's education, where will it stop? The effects will be felt throughout our communities for many years.

Mr. Speaker, I will be tabling two documents at the appropriate time regarding this matter, showing concerns of the residents and the Baffin Divisional Board of Education with this ongoing issue. I hope that the Minister will be responding to the concerns they raise. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Member's Statement 330-13(5): Special Needs Teachers - Funding Shortages

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Roland .

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Member's Statement 331-13(5): Inuvik Region Detoxification Centre

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in an effort to try and get the community more involved in Inuvik in what I do here, I requested the Social Work Program of Aurora Campus in Inuvik to prepare a statement and a line of questioning for any of the Ministers that they felt was a concern in Inuvik. Mr. Speaker, I will follow with the statement prepared.

Currently, within Inuvik and the Beaufort Delta region, there is no detox available to those suffering from alcohol addictions. The health planning project, Community Profile of Needs, which was completed in 1996 documented that alcoholism was cited as a major social issue within virtually every community within the region. Further to this, detox was clearly stated to be a community need. It has, in fact, been openly identified by employers, government, superintendents, regional education authorities, as well as Aurora College, that alcohol abuse is impacting directly upon the educational and work environment in our region.

The Inuvik interagency committee has been actively advocating for a detox centre and had, in fact, been informed that one would be built and located within the new hospital complex. Recently, Inuvik received word that this was no longer the case and that one medical detox bed would instead, be provided within the regular medical unit. There is a big difference between a two to three day medical detoxification as compared to a social detox. As a result, residents of this area continue to be faced with the reality of having to travel out of their region to receive such necessary services.

This creates barriers to health and wellness. The window of opportunity to help someone who is drinking is very short. Clearly, detox needs to be available within our region. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Member's Statement 331-13(5): Inuvik Region Detoxification Centre

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 332-13(5): Commissioner's Awards Recipients

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Last night I had the privilege of attending the Commissioner's Award Ceremony here in the Great Hall, with about 200 people present. There were two presentations last evening, Mr. Speaker. The first was a bravery award to a young Yellowknife man, Brennan Debassaghe, who fought off a large dog in order to save his cousin who had become entangled in the dog's chain.

--Applause

The second presentation was to Justice Mark de Weerdt for exceptional public service over the course of his 40 years in the north and I want to acknowledge that Justice de Weerdt is here with us this afternoon.

--Applause

I can think of no one more deserving of this honour than Mark de Weerdt and I was pleased to be able to participate in the ceremony. He has been an inspiration and role model for two generations of northern lawyers. His skill, compassion, integrity and honesty complement his knowledge of the law. Some of his finest work over the years has been outside of the courtroom, helping to make this sometimes unwieldy court system more understandable and open to all.

In the early years, his wife Ann was often left to raise their four children on her own, while Mark was flying around the north in a single otter for weeks at a time. Ann also found time to develop the CNIB here in Yellowknife and worked with the YWCA. Both of the de Weerdts gave a lot back to our community and the northern communities in terms of volunteer activity and in that respect, the Commissioner's Award really goes to them as a team.

With Mark's retirement last year, we bid farewell to the last of the original three justices of the northern court, but as Yellowknife demonstrated last night, out of sight is not necessarily out of mind. We will once again have the honour of having Justice de Weerdt's presence on the bench from time to time in the north. He was sworn in this morning as Deputy Judge of his old court, so he can return north for flying squad duty on circuits, just like in the old days.

I want to thank Justice de Weerdt for making the trip back to Yellowknife for the award ceremony and I especially thank the committee for choosing him and young Brennan Debassaghe as recipients of this award. As I said before, I can think of no two people more deserving. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 332-13(5): Commissioner's Awards Recipients

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Ningark .

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Member's Statement 333-13(5): Funding Shortages For Educational Initiatives

Item 3: Members' Statements

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I will be speaking in my language in regard to education. I will take it from where Mr. Evaloarjuk left off.

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As Mr. Evaloarjuk had stated with regard to education, this is not the first time we have heard this concern. We have heard this concern brought up before in the past as to the lack of funding with regard to education issues. Mr. Evaloarjuk usually brings up concerns with regard to lack of funding for Baffin. It is also a problem for Kitikmeot, for some of my ridings, Mr. Speaker. We always hear the education is important for our children. It is important for our children to attend school as a young child and as well as a high school student.

They are encouraged to go to school and if school-aged children are not going to school anymore, then the Department of Education or other departments will go to the parents and tell them they have to go to court because their children are not attending school.

If we are serious about education, we have to be serious about allocating enough funding for education in the different regions. Mr. Speaker, we want our concerns to be heard. This is the only way of continuing education by allowing and giving enough funding for educational purposes. Let us find some other way to allocate funds for educational purposes. I would like to thank Mr. Evaloarjuk for his concern. Thank you, as well, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 333-13(5): Funding Shortages For Educational Initiatives

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 334-13(5): Hay River Youth Centre

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am very proud today to speak on what I consider to be an inspiring achievement by constituents in my riding. In the summer of 1996, after three years of planning by the ministerial committee, the long talked about idea of a youth centre in Hay River was realized. The main goal for the organizers of the centre is to create and maintain an environment to promote the spiritual, physical and social development of youth in Hay River by presenting them with positive choices, role modelling and strategies for dealing with life's issues, based on Christian principles.

Another continuing goal of the centre is to offer our young people a safe haven to enjoy activities in an alcohol and drug free environment. The youth centre organizes and offers a wide range of activities for the young people of Hay River. In addition to in-house activities such as movies and computer access, the centre also organizes youth to assist in community events such as the Heritage Days Festival and First Night Festival.

In order for a centre of this size and range of programming to operate effectively, a staff of 25 community volunteers under the auspices of Ms. Andrea Webb, oversees the facility. Ms. Webb also acts as counsellor and confidante to the youth that come to the centre. Mr. Speaker, it is comforting to know that the youth in my riding have a place to go and find answers and guidance in an environment that is well suited to young people. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 334-13(5): Hay River Youth Centre

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 335-13(5): Allocation Of Budget Surpluses To Priority Areas

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the 13th Assembly has identified its main priorities through the release of a document entitled, "Agenda for Change" that has been tabled in this House. The Agenda for Change confirmed that the old and expensive way of doing business must be changed. With the fiscal year-end quickly approaching, a number of GNWT departments have experienced or may anticipate some budget surpluses. The Minister of Finance has indicated in this House that Cabinet will reallocate any surplus according to the priorities established by both Cabinet and this Assembly.

Mr. Speaker, some draft motions have been worked on and hopefully, the reallocation of any departmental surpluses; for example, social envelopes like education and health will be entertained and endorsed by this government. As we have heard this morning, there are concerns by other Members on these matters. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Henry .

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Member's Statement 336-13(5): Diamond Mining Spin-off Industries

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise to voice my displeasure at the lack of response and encouragement from the federal government to the Northwest Territories' quest to maximize the benefits to northerners from diamond mining spin-off industries. Recently, Mr. Speaker, the RCMP approached the federal government to enact legislation to make the ownership of rough diamonds illegal in Canada. I have no problem with that. With diamonds comes a criminal element and the RCMP need the tools to deal with these individuals. However, Mr.

Speaker, what I know will make my blood pressure rise is the speed in which the federal government will respond to the RCMP's request in comparison to our request to maximize the benefits of diamond mining to northerners. This is to be expected, Mr. Speaker, as this legislation will also protect the federal government's royalty regime.

Mr. Speaker, perhaps, when we have been around as long as the RCMP, we might get the same positive response to our requests, as I am sure this request to make the possession of rough diamonds illegal will receive.

Finally, Mr. Speaker, I would like to encourage this government to continue lobbying the federal government to ensure that the Northwest Territories residents receive a fair and equitable share of diamond royalty spin-offs from that industry. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 336-13(5): Diamond Mining Spin-off Industries

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Ms. Thompson .

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Member's Statement 337-13(5): Greetings From Mother To Sons

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I just want to make a brief statement regarding my two sons, Trevor and Randy, whom I have not seen for three weeks now. I did see the younger one for a little over an hour on television and I asked them to look at my hair on television as I just got it cut. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

--Laughter/Applause

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Member's Statement 337-13(5): Greetings From Mother To Sons

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin .

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Return To Oral Question 296-13(5): Commitment Authority Of Deputy Ministers

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. O'Brien on February 11th, commitment authority of deputy ministers. In response to Mr. O'Brien 's question with regard to a limit on the amount of dollars that a deputy minister can commit for a lease or lease renewal, the answer is that there is not an exact amount stipulated in the Financial Administration Act. Under the Financial Administration Act, a Minister may delegate expenditure or contract authority to a deputy minister or public officer.

In delegating the authority, monetary limits and conditions to meet the business needs of the positions apply, not a standard number applied to all individuals who hold a comparable level of authority in government. In order for individuals to make decisions on expenditures, they must have been delegated authority to do so.

For a deputy minister or other employee to exercise expenditure authority, it must be specifically delegated. Having been delegated authority, individuals are held responsible and accountable in the completion of their duties under the legislation and guidelines of the Government of the Northwest Territories.

The government has guidelines that outline provisions for the designation of officers and the delegation and application of signing authority. Financial Administration Directive 802-1, containing these guidelines was tabled in this House on February 11, 1998. Thank you.

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Return To Oral Question 296-13(5): Commitment Authority Of Deputy Ministers

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Return to oral questions. Mr. Ng .

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 1144

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

In return to an oral question asked by Mr. Erasmus on February 12, 1998 on teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted disease rates, there is no ongoing surveillance of sexual activity in the Northwest Territories, however, some statistics are available from the study done by Education, Culture and Employment in 1993 entitled, "Health Behaviours, Attitudes and Knowledge of Young People in the NWT".

This study reports that by age 14, 27 percent of boys and 30 percent of girls, reported having intercourse at least once. However, we do not know how the situation has changed since then.

Fertility rates of teenagers can provide an indirect means of estimating sexual activity levels. Fertility rates for NWT teenagers are somewhat higher than in the rest of Canada.

Statistics on sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) are another source of information, although information is not available by age group. The 1997 Review of Gonococcal and Chlamydia Infections in the NWT, published in EpiNorth, shows that the numbers of STD cases reported are not decreasing.

In cases of gonorrhea, numbers decreased sharply in the early 1990s, but the last four years have shown no further gains. In 1997, numbers have increased slightly in both Nunavut and the western Northwest Territories.

For chlamydia infections, numbers have remained stubbornly high throughout this past decade. Reports of chlamydia infections totalled 1,047 in 1997, a 16.5 percent increase over the previous year. However, the number of reports decreased slightly in the west, but increased by 37 percent in Nunavut.

This increase can be explained by the introduction of a new and better way of testing for STDs at the Baffin Regional Hospital Laboratory in January of 1997. The Keewatin region also began using the Baffin lab in April. As more cases get treated, you would expect a decrease in the frequency of new reports in subsequent years.

Having higher rates of STDs does not necessarily mean that our young people are more sexually active. Our reporting system is among the best in Canada. We must also think that a number of young people are forced into sexual relationships against their will. In the 1993 an Education, Culture and Employment survey mentioned earlier, 5 percent of the grade 9 to 10 boys and 21 percent of the girls also reported having been forced into sexual intercourse; this can serve as a reminder that this issue goes much beyond teaching kids about healthy sexuality. In that context, providing knowledge on safe sex and making condoms available is not sufficient.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Return to oral questions. Mr. Kakfwi . You have three returns. You may go ahead with all three.

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Page 1145

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, this is in response to Mr. Enuaraq regarding cleanup of Cape Christian. The Federal Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development transferred buildings and other assets located at the former United States Coastguard Station near Cape Christian to the Government of the Northwest Territories in 1979. The transfer documents did not clearly indicate who was responsible for cleaning up the debris and contaminated soil remaining at the site.

Regardless of this outstanding matter, my department has undertaken a great deal of work in recent years to remove those wastes which pose the greatest risk. During this time, my department and the Department of Public Works and Services have also been in discussion with DIAND in an attempt to resolve the matter of responsibility, but with little success. More recently, my deputy minister has raised this subject with DIAND's Regional Director General.

Mr. Speaker, I cannot at this time, provide the honourable Member, with a direct answer to his question of when the cleanup of Cape Christian will be completed because discussions with the federal government have not resolved the matter of responsibility. I can state, however, that this government remains committed to ensuring the safety of our residents and the environment by continuing to work towards the eventual cleanup of Cape Christian and other abandoned military sites located across the north. Thank you.

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Page 1145

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

This is a return to oral questions, asked by my friend, Mr. Henry , on February 20th. It is regarding reallocation of fire suppression surplus.

The Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development (RWED) obtained two Public Service Career Training Program (PSCTP) positions from the Department of Education, Culture and Employment (ECE). ECE funds 50 percent of the salary dollars for these positions. The training department, in this case RWED, funds the remaining 50 percent. PSCTP pays salaries at 80 percent of the full salary requirement. The two positions were a Renewable Resource Officer II Trainee and a Wildlife Technician.

Therefore, we were required to fund 50 percent of the salary requirements as well as operations and maintenance for specific training courses including travel, accommodation and other expenses. I told you this was a written question.

The salary requirements for a Renewable Resource Officer II are approximately $58,000 and $56,000 for a Wildlife Technician. This amounts to $114,000 and at 80 per cent, equals approximately $95,000. ECE paid half. Therefore, RWED's share was approximately $47,000. As the fiscal year had commenced, costs were prorated accordingly and estimated at $40,000 ($25,000 for salaries and $15,000 for operations and maintenance). Thank you.

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Return To Oral Question 315-13(5): Interest Relief For Business Credit Corporation Loans

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Page 1145

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

This is a response to a question asked by Mr. Miltenberger on February 13th, interest relief for business credit corporation loans.

Currently, there are 105 borrowers whose loan interest rates exceed eight percent. A general, across-the-board reduction equals approximately $300,000 in interest payment reductions. It is important to note that this estimate is based on the current rate of eight percent per annum over the next three fiscal years, and breaks down as follows:

Fiscal Year Savings to borrowers

1998-99 $150,000

1999-00 $110,000

2000-01 $ 40,000

The interest roll back means that the Business Credit Corporation will forego approximately $300,000 in interest revenues over the next three years. This amount will be reflected in the corporation's net income for that period.

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Page 1145

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 1145

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like

to proudly recognize my baby brother, Mark Miltenberger, Brett Harris, Scotty Roberts, some hockey legends from Hay River on their way to Iqaluit to bring hockey glory back to The Hub.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors to the gallery. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hay River has a couple of days off school, so I have the pleasure of having my lovely daughter with me in Yellowknife over the next few days, Jillian, welcome to the Assembly.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors to the gallery. Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Joanasie Kakumalik, a long-time resident from Arctic Bay who moved to Iqaluit. He is attending the Peary caribou meeting and conference here in Yellowknife. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors to the gallery. Mr. Krutko .

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to recognize Pat Thomas of the NWTTA.

--Applause

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors to the gallery. Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure if they are still in the gallery because we cannot see behind us, but I would like to recognize Mr. Justice de Weerdt and Norm Mair, a former Yellowknife businessman now retired, but still an active resident in our fair city. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Ningark .

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Question 447-13(5): Funding Shortages For Educational Initiatives

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1146

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to Mr. Dent , Minister for Education, Culture and Employment . As I indicated in my Member's statement, as well, Mark Evaloarjuk has spoken about his concern regarding education eloquently many times in this House. The educational regional board in the Kitikmeot region looks for ways and means to increase their funding, but there is very little opportunity in the Nunavut area to receive more funding other than what they get from the government. My question to the honourable Minister is, how are the education regional boards funded? Are they funded quarterly, biannually or annually? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not sure I can answer the question. I do know in the past we used to fund boards in advance with one annual lump sum payment and boards used the interest from that money to augment their programs. We were advised by the Auditor General that this is not acceptable and therefore changed the funding program. I am not sure if they are funded quarterly or monthly, Mr. Speaker, but I will provide the Member with that information. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Henry .

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Question 448-13(5): Diamond Industry Task Force

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1146

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is to the Minister responsible for Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi . Prior to Christmas, Mr. Speaker, I believe it is fair to say that this government and Ordinary Members of this House put up a sufficient unified voice that we finally got the ear of the federal government to listen to the concerns northerners had in prospects in the future diamond industry. I feel we did get the federal government's ear because as in all good governments, when they get under pressure, they form a committee to look at the situation.

From that, came the federal-territorial diamond task force. Mr. Speaker, I recall where the task force had one evening where an individual did attend a function here in Yellowknife and I believe there has been a subsequent meeting. I would ask the Minister responsible, Mr. Kakfwi , if he could update this House and the people of the Northwest Territories as to where this diamond task force is at presently? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development , Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In a recent letter from Minister Jane Stewart, she acknowledged that while the task force was on a great mission and has to do important things on behalf of both governments, that, in fact, they would be very late in delivering whatever goods they are able to muster up. It is a reluctant acknowledgement that we are slow off the mark and whatever good recommendations they might be able to deliver is still one to three months down the road. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I thank the Minister for that. I would appreciate if he could respond a little further as to the timetable of the committee, when they are coming north, what communities they are going to visit - this type of information - and any advertising or advance notice the residents of the territories will have in preparing submissions to this group. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, I can provide a written response to the Member and all Members of the Legislature giving them details of the tentative meeting schedules and agenda items for the task force over the next month and a half. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell the people of the Northwest Territories through this forum what the goals of the Government of the Northwest Territories are in regard to this diamond task force. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, in general terms, the task force was set up because we are of the view that senior officials within the federal government and various departments involved do not have sufficient interest or knowledge/information available to them in order to properly advise the federal government on how important this new emerging industry is to Canada and how the government should be advised by their officials in regard to how they handle this new emerging industry. The foremost task of this is to get educated, to become aware and to become familiar with the diamond industry.

The second is to put together the two or three federal departments, the senior managements from within those departments together with the senior officials from our government here in the Northwest Territories and come up with some recommendations that would guide the federal government and this government on how we can best work together to identify and maximize the economic benefits. Opportunities are presented as a result of this new industry that is coming into force in Canada. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Henry .

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Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Hopefully, this is my final supplementary. I believe this government well over a year ago, did go out and get expertise outside of its own ranks to help them provide a starting point as to the benefits they could receive. I believe the federal government had relied solely on some of their internal staffs. There was a commitment from the federal government that they were going to go outside of their own government ranks to bring in this expertise. To the Minister's knowledge, has this happened? Has the federal government acquired outside expertise on this topic? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Kakfwi .

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Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Mr. Speaker, as a general rule, the federal government has no experts within its ranks. There are no experts on diamonds within the federal government. What the federal government has are a few people who have taken the time to visit with diamentaires and are regurgitating for federal officials and Ministers the information they have gleaned from meeting with diamentaires in Europe and also in the country. There are presently no people within the federal government who have first hand experience in working and dealing with diamonds. The federal government has had to lean exclusively on getting information from outside expertise to formulate the positions they have taken to date. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 449-13(5): GNWT Job Evaluation System

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1147

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is addressed to the Minister responsible for FMBS and is in regard to the job evaluation system. Earlier in the week, we raised concerns about communicating with the employees about this new system to inform them so they are not caught unawares and are aware of what the intent is. It would appear that in addition to communicating with employees, there are some discrepancies or questions about how ratings were done that have quickly become evident. Tradesmen, for instance, are being rated where they are. As well, there is some disparity with social workers and nurses.

Is the government going to be looking at fixing any possible glitches or disparities in this system as part of the implementation process to, in fact, ensure there is a fair and equitable system? Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly in any major undertaking like we have taken with regard to job evaluation, there are going to be glitches, and where they are, we will take whatever steps that are necessary to make the appropriate adjustments so that the majority of our employees are content. Thank you.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am glad to hear the Minister's response. Would the Minister include that in his communication with the employees that, in fact, this system, while attempts are made to make it a perfect system, may have glitches and that, in fact, it is not carved in stone and the undertaking the Minister just gave this House will be passed on to employees? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, in fact, we are doing that right now in trying to deal with some of the situations on a one-to-one basis. I would advise my colleague that, like in any situation, not everybody will be content with what we are doing. However, we will to the best of our ability try to reach the appropriate accommodation as necessary so the job evaluation system is fair and transparent. Thank you.

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Question 450-13(5): Inuvik Region Detoxification Centre

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question at this time will be directed to the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . In line with my Member's statement, these questions were prepared by the same class at the Aurora Campus. The Inuvik region has identified a definite need for a detox centre. With recent emphasis that has been consistently placed on community empowerment and development, how can the government explain their decision to ignore the needs identified by the communities themselves? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we are not ignoring the needs of the communities as identified. It is unfortunate that we cannot provide these services in every community or every region, but certainly, the services are still available in the Northwest Territories for detox. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Why has the current government not followed through with the commitment or promise to fund detox facilities within the community of Inuvik?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am unaware of any commitment that this government or past governments have made in respect to funding for a detox centre. Even if that had been the situation, it is unfortunate that some of the fiscal changes that had to be made as a result of meeting our financial obligations, particularly in the area of alcohol and drug reform, might have precluded anything from happening in that area even if it was on the books, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My final supplementary, the GNWT promised that the closure of Delta House would not create major problems within this region and the needs of the community would be addressed. Since the closure of this agency, social problems related to addictions and associated issues have increased. What is the GNWT prepared to do in order to address these issues?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have made the commitment publicly, and I will reiterate. There is not a denial of access to any services for individuals who may require residential alcohol and drug treatment which continues to be the case. If there are circumstances or cases where the honourable Member feels that individuals are not receiving adequate access to those programs, I would be more than willing to pursue that on his behalf or on behalf of his constituents. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 451-13(5): Income Support Appeals Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent . It is in regard to the whole area of income support and the appeals process presently in place. I would like to ask the Minister exactly what is being done to educate the people and make them aware that they do have the right to appeal decisions of income support workers. My question is to the Minister in regard to the income support appeals process. What is the Government of the Northwest Territories doing to ensure that residents who collect income support know about the process of appeal?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is the expectation of the department that the income support worker would advise anybody who is refused support that they are able to appeal the decision.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. One thing that I have found, Mr. Speaker, is that there is a timeframe in regard for an appeal, which is seven days. In most communities, that is how long it takes the mail to go from one community to the next. I would like to ask the Minister in regard to the timeframe on the appeal, can the Minister ensure the appeal process is adequate to allow the individual to complete an appeal and also the time it takes for that appeal to be sent to the appropriate appeals committee?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If there are, in fact, problems in timing because of mail service, we would certainly be prepared to look at that. If the Member can inform me as to the specific community and concern, I would be prepared to follow up. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister, what is being done in regard to the educational process, so people are aware this appeal process does work? Is there an effort made in regard to making submissions on the radio, newspaper or are there papers posted in different offices to make these clients aware of this appeal process?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in a number of offices I have visited, it has been quite visible. The appeals process is publicized in the office by way of signs in a number of locations advising potential clients they do have the right to appeal a decision made by an income support worker. I do not believe we have embarked on a campaign to make the public aware of it. If there is a concern within an office, if the Member would direct me to the specific office, what we will do is work with the income support worker to make sure the clients are advised of their rights. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister tell me exactly what the process is for communities that do not have an appeals process? Where do they go?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would expect the initial appeal would have to be referred to the income support worker's supervisor, and it would be forwarded on from that point. I am not aware of the specific route the worker would follow. However, I will endeavour to supply the Member with a detailed response. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 452-13(5): Office Lease Negotiations Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of DPW. When a government department is renting a space from a private supplier, who negotiates the cost of that space to be leased, the department or another representative from DPW? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, whenever there is a lease to be negotiated, usually the department goes out for a request for proposals to see if they can get the best deal. There is a process out there that the department follows. Usually in different communities and regions, it is normally handled by the regional superintendent. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the regions, it seems to be handled by the regional superintendent, the Minister said. What about individual departments under the user pay, user say initiative? Do they have to negotiate their own leases and increases are the same? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it is still under the authority of Public Works and Services in most cases, trying to get the critical mass and so forth for trying to get the best cost for the space. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think everyone supports the idea of getting the best price, so that the taxpayers pay less. Mr. Speaker, my question is that the space that is being rented, the negotiations are underway and we just ascertained that the regional superintendent would be involved and under the user pay, is it safe to assume that the final say would be the department that is renting the space? Would the Department of DPW give them a rate if they had to pay? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the department does have a say in the process since they are the client department. All the rates vary throughout the different leases. Like he says, we are trying to get the best base rate and go from there. Thank you.

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Thank you. Oral questions. I will allow you that fifth question. You already asked two questions in your last one. Go ahead, Mr. Picco .

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, has the Department of Public Works said anywhere that there would be any increases in rents negotiated for this fiscal year? Have they made that directly? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you. It is a direction within the department that we are trying to go for savings rather than more costs. It is a direction within the department to try to go for the best value for the dollar. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 453-13(5): Relocation Of Hall Beach Power Station

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 1150

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of NWTPC. Mr. Speaker, the residents of Hall Beach have a concern regarding the power station that is located right in the centre of the community. They had requested previously to the NWTPC and to the previous Minister to see if they would relocate this particular power station site. I am wondering if the Minister can tell me if they can relocate this power station to where it is not in the middle of the community? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Question 453-13(5): Relocation Of Hall Beach Power Station

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation, Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there is no known safety concern for us to consider moving the power plant in Hall Beach. It is important that communities remember that the full cost of power in their community, including if necessary, moving the power plant, has to be recovered from that community. It would cost millions of dollars to move the power plant and to do so would cause an undue hardship on the community because that cost to do that would have to be reflected in their power rates. The power plant in Hall Beach was upgraded in 1993-94.

Approximately $2.5 million was spent on the plant at that time including the installation of the new engine. The central location of the power plant also lends itself to a heat recovery project which could reduce the amount of green house gas emissions in the community and could cut down on the cost of heating some of the public buildings in the community. We would hope the community would consider rather than moving the power plant that we look at opportunities to better utilize the heat that is now going to waste. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister assure me that he could consider relocation of the site? Can the Minister also tell me what he would do if there were to be an accident in this community, for instance, if there was a fire in the power station and other buildings caught fire? What kind of measures would be taken as the Minister indicated that it would take millions of dollars to relocate this power station. What is he considering first, safety or money? Thank you, Mr. Speaker. (Translation ends)

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I indicated earlier, the power plant in Hall Beach is in a similar situation to many of the power plants in the north in its location in relation to other buildings in the community. There is no reason to think that the building causes any danger to other buildings. The fuel tank associated with the plant has a steel berm around it which is in good shape and the above ground pipeline which previously supplied that tank is no longer in use. In fact, the tank is supplied by truck on a regular basis from the

tank farm. We do not consider that location to be at risk. As I have said, it is not a question of putting money before safety. As far as the Power Corporation is concerned that plant is as safe as any other. The request to move the plant would be unnecessary from a safety point of view. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 454-13(5): Commitment Authority Of Deputy Ministers

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Premier in reference to his return to oral question regarding spending authority and authority for deputy ministers. It indicates in the return that there is no ceiling on the amount of dollars a Minister may spend and that he has pretty much full discretion to do so, to enter into leases and contract authority, which is under the Financial Administration Act. My question, Mr. Speaker, is that it indicates that the Minister has the option or he may delegate this authority.

Does the Minister have to delegate authority in each contract or lease extension or is it a carte blanche, something that he is given when he accepts a position, that for the rest of his tenure he can make these decisions?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, the Minister does not have to delegate authority on each individual issue. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is there any point or level of spending that a Minister must come back to Cabinet to seek approval prior to signing a lease or contract, for example, if it is in the multimillion dollar range, prior to a deputy signing a contract or a lease? Is there any point where he or his Minister would come back to Cabinet to seek approval or support prior to signing such a contract? Thank you.

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If this is a negotiated contract, it always has to come to Cabinet, FMB, but if it is an extension of a contract and within guidelines, has good reasons to do it, then they just do it. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in the case of open ended leases, would the Minister have to go back to Cabinet to seek approval or permission?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is no such thing as an open ended lease. Thank you.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will rephrase my question. I am referring to a lease that is open for negotiations or for further negotiations, extensions. In that case, does the Minister come back to Cabinet to seek approval or support prior to the deputy signing such a lease?

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, the Minister of DPW answered this question many times and I will answer the same way he did. The deputy has the authority on an extension of contracts to do that. If the deputy does that, he does not even have to go to the Minister. The Minister does not have to go to FMB or Cabinet. The extension of the lease, the deputy does that. Thank you.

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Question 455-13(5): Yellowknife Office Space Plan

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of DPW, it is in regard to office space in Yellowknife. We received a memo from the Minister on February 24th, in which he provided further clarification on the office space in Yellowknife. I would like to clarify a few more points on this. There are two departments I would like to address, one is the Department of Transportation, and I note that the department occupies a total of 32,000 square feet divided between three buildings. Could the Minister tell us YK 4, I take it, that is the YK Tower downtown, they occupy 7,500 square feet.

Could he tell us what particular area of responsibility this is of the transportation department? What area of activity of transportation is that?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Public Works and Services , Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker,

YK 4, is YK Centre, airports division of Department of the Transportation which is in that building on the fourth floor. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My next one is regarding the Department of Education, Culture and Employment. I noticed they are also spread between two buildings. One is the Laing Building and the other is the Lahm Ridge Tower, on Laing 3 there is 10,173 square feet. What particular area of activity is that?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I do not know which

section of Department of Education, Culture and Employment is in the Laing Building. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I note that there is 10,000 square feet which is unoccupied in the Lahm Ridge Tower. My question is, are we moving one of these particular departments into the Lahm Ridge Tower?

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Yellowknife office space rationalization plan was just approved the middl