Debates of Oct. 23rd, 1997

This is page numbers 87 - 170 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 5th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Return To Oral Question 11-13(5): Keewatin Resupply Initiative

Tabled Document 4-13(5): Canada's Diamond Industry Backgrounder

Bill 1: Power Corporation Act

Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Utilities Act

Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Bill 1: Power Corporation Act

Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Utilities Act

Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

To Amend The Mid-term Review Process

To Amend Committee Motion 1-13(5)

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Honourable Don Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 87

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Enuaraq . Good morning. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Return To Oral Question 11-13(5): Keewatin Resupply Initiative

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 87

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Further to Mr. O'Brien 's question yesterday on the Keewatin resupply proposal and hydrographic survey, I would like to provide some additional information. I am pleased to provide my colleagues from the Kivallivik region with an update on the initiative to provide hydrographic charts in the approaches to the communities of Arviat, Whale Cove, Chesterfield Inlet and Baker Lake. The existing navigation charts for these communities were completed almost 50 years ago. Experienced navigators consider these charts to be inadequate to support safe and effective navigation to Keewatin communities by efficient, deep draft vessels.

Recognizing the need to find the most cost effective means of resupplying Keewatin communities and to support resource development in the region, the Government of the Northwest Territories has worked with the Canadian Hydrographic Service and the Canadian Coast Guard to rechart the Keewatin coastline over the past several years. In 1995 modern accurate charts were completed for the deep draft approaches to Rankin Inlet.

I have been advised by the Minister of Transportation that his officials were presented with the new preliminary charts for approaches to the communities of Arviat, Whale Cove, Chesterfield Inlet and Baker Lake. These comprehensive and very accurate new charts have confirmed the presence of viable deep draft shipping corridors. These corridors offer a safe route for larger vessels to visit Keewatin communities in the future. I was informed that next summer the final surveys will be completed of the approaches to Coral Harbour and of a new intercommunity shipping corridor along the west coast of Hudson Bay.

Mr. Speaker, we and our federal partners have finally removed all doubt of the availability of safe deep draft passages to these Keewatin communities, and I look forward to testing the competitiveness of the shipping community in utilizing this new information to provide the people of the Keewatin region with the most cost effective, efficient and safe shipping in the future.

--Applause

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Return To Oral Question 11-13(5): Keewatin Resupply Initiative

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 87

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Arlooktoo . Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. Item 7, written questions. Item 8, returns to written questions. Item 9, replies to opening address. Item 10, petitions. Item 11, reports of standing and special committees. Item 12, reports of committees on the review of bills. Item 13, tabling of documents. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Tabled Document 4-13(5): Canada's Diamond Industry Backgrounder

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 87

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I wish to table the following document entitled, Canada's Diamond Industry Backgrounder. Thank you.

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Tabled Document 4-13(5): Canada's Diamond Industry Backgrounder

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Page 87

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Tabling of documents. Item 14, notices of motion. Item 15, notices of motions for first reading of bills. Item 16, motions. Item 17, first reading of bills. Mr. Dent .

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Bill 1: Power Corporation Act

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 87

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good morning. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Baffin South that Bill 1, Power Corporation Act be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill 1: Power Corporation Act

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 88

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Dent . Your motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Your motion is carried. Bill 1 has had first reading. First reading of bills. Mr. Todd .

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Utilities Act

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 88

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by my honourable colleague from Tu Nedhe that Bill 2,

An Act to Amend the Public Utilities Act be read for the first time. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Utilities Act

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 88

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Bill 2 has had first reading. First reading of bills. Mr. Todd .

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Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 88

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by my honourable Member for Tu Nedhe that Bill 3,

An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act be read for the first time.

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Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 88

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd . The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Bill 3 has had first reading. First reading of bills. Mr. Ng .

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Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 88

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Aivilik that Bill 4,

An Act to Amend the Elections Act be read for the first time. Thank you.

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Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 88

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Bill 4 has had first reading. First reading of bills. Mr. Todd .

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Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 88

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I move, seconded by my honourable Member for Tu Nedhe that Bill 6,

An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act be read for the first time. Thank you.

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Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Income Tax Act

Item 17: First Reading Of Bills

Page 88

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd . The motion is in order. To the motion. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Bill 6 has had first reading. First reading of bills. Item 18, second reading of bills. Mr. Dent .

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Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 88

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I seek consent to proceed with second reading of Bill 1, Power Corporation Act.

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Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 88

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Yellowknife Frame Lake is seeking consent to deal with Bill 1 . Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Dent , you have consent.

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Bill 1: Power Corporation Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 88

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Baffin South that Bill 1, Power Corporation Act be read for the second time.

This bill repeals the Northwest Territories Power Corporation Act and provides for the continuation of the Northwest Territories Power Corporation under the

Canada Business Corporations Act. The bill authorizes the Minister to hold shares in the Corporation and to transfer shares to the Interim Commissioner of Nunavut. The Government of the Northwest Territories is authorized to make guarantees on behalf of the Corporation, to make loans and contributions to the Corporation and to invest in the Corporation. Consequential amendments are made to five Acts to reflect the change of status of the Corporation.

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Bill 1: Power Corporation Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 88

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Can we have some order in the House please. Mr. Dent , your motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Bill 1 has had second reading and accordingly the bill stands referred to a committee. Second reading of bills. Mr. Todd .

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Bill 1: Power Corporation Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 88

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek consent to proceed with the second reading of Bill 2,

An Act to Amend the Public Utilities Act.

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Bill 1: Power Corporation Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 88

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Keewatin Central is seeking consent to deal with Bill 2 . Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Todd , you have consent.

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Utilities Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 88

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe that Bill 2,

An Act to Amend the Public Utilities Act be read for the second time.

This bill amends the Public Utilities Act to authorize the Public Utilities Board to establish joint divisions with a public utilities board of another province or territory, where a public utility conducts business in both jurisdictions. The bill provides that a joint division has the jurisdiction, powers and duties of the board and that a decision or act of a joint division is a decision or act of the board.

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Utilities Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 88

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Bill 2 has had second reading and accordingly the bill stands referred to a committee. Second reading of bills. Mr. Todd .

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Utilities Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 88

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek consent to proceed with the second reading of Bill 3,

An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act. Thank you.

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Bill 2:

An Act To Amend The Public Utilities Act

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Page 88

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Keewatin Central is seeking consent to deal with Bill 3 today. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Todd , you have consent.

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Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 88

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Thank you, colleagues. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe that Bill 3,

an Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act be read for the second time.

This bill amends the Financial Administration Act to provide that the Commissioner or the board of a public agency may, with the approval of the Financial Management Board and on behalf of the government or the public agency, make a guarantee if the specified limit is not exceeded.

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Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 90

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Bill 3 has had second reading and accordingly the bill stands referred to a committee. Second reading of bills. Mr. Todd .

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Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 90

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to wave rule 69(2) and have Bill 3,

An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act ordered into the committee of the whole for today.

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Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 90

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Keewatin Central is seeking unanimous to wave rule 69(2) to have Bill 3,

An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act ordered into the committee of the whole for today. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Todd , you have unanimous consent. Second reading of bills. Mr. Ng .

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Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 90

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, I seek consent to proceed with second reading of Bill 4,

An Act to Amend the Elections Act. Thank you.

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Bill 3:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 90

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Kitikmeot is seeking consent to deal with this bill for today. Do we have nays? There are no nays. Mr. Ng , you have consent.

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Bill 4:

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Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 90

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, honourable colleagues. Mr. Speaker, I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Nahendeh that Bill 4,

An Act to Amend the Elections Act be read for the second time.

This bill amends the Elections Act to standardize references relating to the residence of electors, to clarify that a person who resides outside of the Northwest Territories may not vote at an election, to provide that the territories may make agreements with other jurisdictions respecting the conduct of elections, and to make a number of other minor changes to the Act. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 90

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Your motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? The motion is carried. Bill 4 has had second reading and accordingly the bill stands referred to a committee. Second reading of bills. Mr. Ng .

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Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 90

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to waive rule 69(2) and have Bill 4,

An Act to Amend the Elections Act ordered into the committee of the whole today. Thank you.

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Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 90

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Kitikmeot is seeking unanimous consent to waive rule 69(2) to deal with Bill 4 . Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Ng , you have unanimous consent. Bill 4 will be referred to committee of the whole today. Second reading of bills. Mr. Todd .

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Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 90

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I seek consent to proceed second reading of Bill 6,

An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act , Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Bill 4:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 90

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Keewatin Central is seeking unanimous consent to deal with Bill 6 for today. Do we have any nays? There are no nays. Mr. Todd , you have unanimous consent.

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Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 90

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and colleagues. I move, seconded by the honourable Member for Tu Nedhe that Bill 6,

An Act to Amend the Income Tax Act , be read for the second time.

This bill amends the Income Tax Act to provide that when the Minister of National Revenue remits tax, interests and penalties to an individual taxpayer, he or she may, in some circumstances, also remit the Northwest Territories portion of the tax, interest and penalties. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Elections Act

Item 18: Second Reading Of Bills

Page 90

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Todd . Your motion is in order. To the principle of the bill. Question has been called. All those in favour? All those opposed? Motion is carried. Bill 6 has had second reading and accordingly the bill stands referred to a committee. Second reading of bills. Item 19, consideration in committee of the whole of bills and other matters, consideration of Mid-Term Review; Tabled Document 1-13(5); Bill 3,

An Act to Amend the Financial Administration Act and Bill 4,

An Act to Amend the Elections Act. With Mr. Steen in the Chair.

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Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Page 90

The Chair

Vince Steen

I call the committee to order. We have for consideration for the committee of the whole today, consideration of Mid-Term Review and Tabled Document 1-13(5), Mid-Term Review documents. I believe we left off with Mr. Ng . I had two names, Mr. Enuaraq and Mrs. Groenewegen . I recognize Mr. Enuaraq . Mr. Enuaraq .

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Tommy Enuaraq

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman for recognizing me right away. I am going to be talking in Inuktitut. (Translation) Mr. Chairman, I will want to ask the Minister this question with regard to Health and Social Services, the Minister responsible for Health and Social Services regarding the people who are going to Iqaluit for medical reasons or to Montreal. They used to be able to have escorts and they would be escorted by their relatives when they went away to the medical centres.

After the policies and guidelines have changed in Health and Social Services, in particular in the Inuit communities and perhaps in the western Arctic as well; the policies are very awkward, mainly because of the reasons of the hospital patients who are near death, sometimes are not escorted by their relatives, as long as the relatives do not pay their own way. I will be asking Minister Kelvin Ng a question. Can he put forward a policy that will be understandable for Nunavut people as well as the western Arctic? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the medical travel component of the budgets for medical patients was transferred to the boards and by the same token they had the flexibility to design policies around medical travel. Generally speaking, Mr. Chairman, we undertook when we first initiated some of our health and social service reforms, we

undertook to basically eliminate the funding for escorts unless they were escorts for minors, of course, who are not of legal age to make decisions about their own treatment. We have given some flexibility to the boards, but our priority has been on funding medical travel for the patients so they can obtain the treatment they require, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to ask another question to the same Minister with regard to escorts. If a spouse were to die and the body was to be shipped back to the community, who would be responsible to pay for the freight of the body to be shipped back to the community? Would the office of Health and Social Services be responsible to pay for the freight of the body to be shipped back to the community? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, in those unfortunate circumstances where somebody was to pass away outside of their home community, while they were out for medical treatment, yes, the Department of Health and Social Services would pay for having the remains sent back to the community where they originated. Mr. Chairman, thank you.

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Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Another question to the same Minister responsible for Health and Social Services . For the last 30 or 40 years, Inuit in the communities have gone to Montreal, Toronto as well as Quebec for medical reasons. A lot of Inuit have passed away while they were in these cities. I wonder if the Department of Health and Social Services might be able to be in a position of support in having these bodies shipped back to their original communities, these remains from the cities I have mentioned? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. This government did not assume responsibilities for Health and Social Services until 1988 with the health transfer agreement from the federal government. I cannot speak on past individuals that may have been deceased outside their home communities, 30 or 40 years ago. It was a different government's responsibility in respect to the medical services for those individuals. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you for your answer, Mr. Minister. My last question will be with regard to the Baffin House in Montreal. This Baffin House is used by a lot of people from the Baffin region. My question is, who would be responsible for managing it? Would it be the Baffin Health Board or would it be run by your department here in Yellowknife? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman the Baffin Regional Health and Social Services Board have responsibility for Baffin House. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We have heard a lot over the last few days and weeks, about the increasing responsibility of community and regional health boards with respect to health services. Given all that responsibility that is undertaken at that level, can the Minister identify for me some of the initiatives the department works on, the department has retained, that they continue to do. It leaves one wondering what the department does if everything is devolved to the regional and communities level. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Kelvin Ng

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, we provide right now a lot of the support mechanisms, cross board wise throughout the territories, provide some of the planning in support of the boards as well and would undertake a lot of the initiatives of support issues that boards themselves could not undertake. If there are specific examples, that is particularly in the area of recent initiative, I think, is the human resource requirements. We are trying to staff up some of the position vacancies, particularly in the human resources support area, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Quite a number of issues have come up in the House over the past two years which I am interested in knowing what progress has been made on them, and we have asked the questions and from time to time we get answers but they are items, which I would assume the department themselves would undertake. Things like coverage for chiropractic services, repatriation of northerners who are in southern institutions, whether they be health facilities or institutions for the mentally challenged or troubled children, those types of repatriation.

Another one that has been recently in the media is the entire issue of midwifery. These are the kinds of things that come up from time to time, but we have not heard what happens to them. We bring them up, we have ideas and we present them in the House. Are there ongoing efforts within the department to examine and address some of these ideas that are suggested? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I can say generally that they are. We have to recognize there are different priorities placed on different initiatives. We have a limited amount of human resources as well within the department, and right now the focus has been on trying to finalize some of the relationships in respect to boards and delivery of services and ourselves as a ministry function, preparing for division and the establishment of two departments. Quite frankly, trying to establish the monitoring,

evaluation facets of the department with respect to the board because of recent developments, as a result of some of the decisions of boards that have caused some concern amongst some of the constituents. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Some of the things the Minister has outlined for us sounds like they are very technical tasks. They sound like they are tasks, as he suggested, related to process, division, assigning of duties, monitoring and those sorts of things. As a Minister, I know he is well aware, given his portfolios, we have major pressing social problems in the Northwest Territories. I have to wonder, who is on the front line of these concerns?

If it is not the department, if it is not the bureaucracy at the headquarters and regional levels, I have to wonder who is driving the matching of resources to these serious social problems which we talk about quite frequently. Who does the Minister see that responsibility lying with? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, it would lay with the Department of Health and Social Services in a ministry function, I think. That is what we have had to do quite frankly as I indicated in my opening comments is try to maintain first of all that there is some stability in the system in respect to funding for Health and Social Services boards in the area of treatment first with the programs that we had given that we had to undergo some changes in that scheme of things.

But as we did that and tried to identify and having, after stabilizing that the funding and certainty out there and the treatment programs, tried to look at areas for reinvestment towards preventative programs that will show some long term improvements towards improving social conditions throughout the Northwest Territories; we cannot do this in isolation of other social envelope partners, as we know.

That is why there is the social envelope within this government where we have to include the planning of the Department Education, Culture and Employment; the Department of Justice and the Housing Corporation in respect to their programs as well that lead to the overall improvements of social conditions in general, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The Minister's portfolios are very much people portfolios. We are talking about some various serious human needs here in the Northwest Territories when we look at Justice and at Health and Social Services. We are not talking about roads, pipelines or airports. We are talking about very personal, human needs. There is something that I have always kind of wondered about when I look at various departments, and that is where is the passion and the compassion for the needs that are out there.

I do not expect the Minister or the deputy Minister to carry all this themselves, but when I look at the needs in the Northwest Territories, I feel very strongly about them. As I said, these are very much people portfolios. How does the Minister feel about his role, his portfolios and his responsibilities? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

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Well, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Obviously, I take my role quite seriously in that I know there are people departments as the Member suggests and any decisions that are made on our programs impact people no matter which spectrum of category they may be whether they are low income, high income or middle income; no matter what ethnic origin they have. I think in trying to address the issue about direct liaison with the issue of how you recognize the compassion and the needs at a local level.

I think in devolving the program delivery responsibilities to the regional level where you have a community representation on those regional boards, direct input from the community on how the programs are structured and delivered, and you have a point of contact in the community from the public at large directly to the board of management. That makes an impact on the programs and how receptive and flexible those programs are in recognizing the needs of the constituents that they serve. Thank you.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe that we need to raise the awareness of the issues that we can become accustomed to that plague our people in the Northwest Territories. I think we need to bring those out to the front and get people thinking, talking and working at all levels to address those needs. With respect to that, we do see some territorial-wide campaigns that are initiated by the various departments.

I think of such things as some of the advertising that takes place on television and radio with respect to HIV, the recent video on FAS/FAE and anti-smoking advertising which I assume is partially funded by the Department of Health and Social Services. I have heard Members of this House asking for such a broad-based campaign with respect to breast cancer screening. Could the Minister identify for me what some of those territorial-wide initiatives and priorities are that the department is working on right now? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Kelvin Ng

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I believe we have some direct involvement in all of those initiatives that the Member speaks of. I cannot speak directly on exactly what depth of involvement we have right now because of the fact that I do not have that information here. But I can assure you that we are certainly aware and if not directly involved in those or coordinating those initiatives. Mr. Chairman, thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ng . I would like to take this opportunity to inform the Members that at 11:00 a.m. this morning there will be a book signing ceremony in the Great Hall which will include a drum prayer. I am sure that we will hear, so I do not want Members to be startled or alarmed by the drums. Mrs. Groenewegen , question number six.

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Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Just in closing, I would like to comment on the work that has been done by Minister Ng from my perspective over the past two years, not him in isolation, but that of the departments that he

represents and in that role of leading those departments. It is such a vast area of need that I think there is never enough that a person or the government can do to address those needs. But I would like to thank the Minister for being attentive and being approachable on the various concerns. He has attended at least in my riding, I know other ridings, over that two-year period and has tried to listen to what the people have to say. If there is one small area of suggestion or advise that I could offer that might improve communications, it is in relations to our workings here in the House.

There are times that either other Members or myself ask the Minister questions, and I do not feel that we get the most direct answer. Sometimes after I ask a question, I feel kind of good and satisfied and happy with the answer, but then I sit down and when I start to try to analyse what he said, I am kind of having difficulty nailing it down and saying, yes, that is the answer I need or that is something that I can take back to my constituents. So, just a small area of suggestion, maybe just be a little more direct and straightforward in communications. That is all I have. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. No question.

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Jake Ootes

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to deal with an issue that is arising here at Station Regional Hospital, that seems to be receiving some concerns by the people who are the specialists here. The Med-Emerg report made a number of recommendations and seemed to indicate that the department will go in a certain direction. I understand that further work is going to be done on that this fall, but the concern here is that we have a group of specialists, and they are serving fairly well the whole of the Northwest Territories and certainly all of the Mackenzie Valley.

There is an unease there now that the way the future through the developing of all the responsibility to the boards may result in the loss of a number of patients coming here to Yellowknife for specialist treatment. If that happens, that means we may loose specialists and it could have a snow ball effect.

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I wonder if the Minister could enlighten us somewhat on this and provide some reassurance? I will only ask one question. Could the Minister provide some reassurance that we want to maintain this group of specialists in the north and build on that so that we do have a centre of excellence here in the Northwest Territories to treat on an ongoing basis most of the major medical concerns that require a specialist, an operation of some sort? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I can confirm. There is certainly a will to maintain a specialist pool in the north. We have worked hard to develop in conjunction with the boards and supporting them and funding them, developing specialist services to be as close to home as possible no matter what community they may be in. I just wanted to correct the Member. The specialist services in the Baffin and Keewatin are not supplied through Yellowknife.

A majority of bills come from other jurisdictions for the Keewatin and Baffin, but certainly for the Kitikmeot, my area and the western Arctic as the Member refers to, a lot of the clientele coming from those areas went to Yellowknife for some of the specialist services that are available here. It is our intent to try to maintain, as I indicated, specialists services in the north, and we would not try to jeopardize that because of the fact, it would make sense to try to retain that service as close to home as possible. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Jake Ootes

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Some time ago, the department stated it would develop an alcohol and drug strategy. Could the Minister tell us what has happened in that regard and what is in the process of an alcohol and drug strategy?

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Kelvin Ng

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I believe that was probably the alcohol and drug reform that took place early in the mandate. We have gone from a core funding to a per diem situation with a lot of the alcohol and drug treatment centres. We have moved the dollars for the alcohol and drug residential treatment and for the community programs to their regional level where treatment centres have worked on some strategies to expand some of the services they have available including looking at some other areas besides strictly alcohol and drug treatment in order to attract and broaden some of the services for constituents. Mr. Chairman.

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Jake Ootes

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. To a question earlier, asked by my honourable colleague from Hay River, Mrs. Groenewegen . What does the department do? The Minister replied a number of areas, support of boards and planning. He also stated that initiatives the boards cannot undertake, such as the human resource support area. I wonder if the Minister could tell us, if there are other initiatives other than the human resource support area if the department still continues to be responsible for?

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Kelvin Ng

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. In the area of financing and other operations, on the capital end of things, we are still responsible for that, setting standards as I had indicated, some of the population health issues of broader programs, whether it is undertaking studies and collection of information for analysis and trends on a territorial basis so we can give guidance and advise on programming and those types of areas, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

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Thank you, I will make this my final question, Mr. Chairman. There has been a lot of criticism, Mr. Chairman, of the Med-Emerg report, and I certainly questioned it right from the start, the cost of it and fashion in which it was let, the haste. The usual applies, haste makes waste. I am wondering if the Minister could tell us today, if he would give me a comment, as to whether he would handle the awarding of this contract in a better way? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

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Thank you, Mr. Ootes . Mr. Chairman, as I indicated in my opening remarks. I believe that those strategic planning initiatives are critical to us as a government and to use as a department as we move toward reforming some of our programs. We are doing a bunch of initiatives that, although we thought were going on the right track, we were not sure of that. Everybody can second guess whether or not you are going in the right direction. I think it is safe to say, as I indicated that the department itself has undergone, over the past five or six years, a strategic planning process that had never been concluded.

I felt we had to get this done in a timely fashion because of division impending on us, because of the reforms that were undertaken and because of the great demands for replacement facilities, as I had indicated in Inuvik and Iqaluit that this necessitated knowing exactly what an integrated system would look like and how those facilities would fit into an integrated system both east and west, Mr. Chairman. Thank you

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Levi Barnabas

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would like to ask the Minister of Health and Social Services how his department recruits nurses?

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Right now the regional Health and Social Services Boards has the responsibility for staffing, including nurses. Right now, as I have indicated in comments to other Members, we recognize there is a problem. There has historically been a problem in fully staffing the nursing compliment throughout the Northwest Territories, and we have initiated a human resource recruitment and retention plan that we are going to be actively pursuing over the next few months to try to remedy the problem of health care professionals throughout the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. If a community has a problem with their nurse, how do they remove the nurse or the person? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I guess a lot would have to do with what the complaints would be. If it is an issue of competency, then the nurses' association has a disciplinary review measure in place to review complaints if it is from a practitioning level. Basically, I guess, it is the regional Health and Social Services Board that deals with the nursing complement in their service area. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With the cutback last year, what were the effects on emergency medevacs? Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, there were no impacts on the medical evacuations that were required. If individuals required to be flown out, they continued to be transported to the location where they needed medical treatment. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With the Baffin Regional Health Board transferring to Quebec from Montreal, will there be a lot of effects on specialists or services? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Baffin Regional Health and Social Services Board is contemplating shifting their focus of service from Montreal to Ottawa. Obviously, if that were to take place, there is a significant impact. It is from one provincial jurisdiction to another. There are requirements for new boarding facilities, for new liaison, contacts for new

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Levi Barnabas

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. With the doctors visiting smaller communities, does the health board save money? How does the health board save money by sending doctors to smaller communities? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would say, yes, they would and if you had a certain number of people who did not have to be sent out immediately, but they had needs that had to be looked at by a physician instead of by a nurse practitioner, then you could wait until the physician did their regular visit. By that time, there would be a significant number of people in the community who could be seen by the physician who would be visiting and as a result you could save all those travel costs. You would have had to fly those individuals out versus flying a physician in and his support staff into the community. Thank you.

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Levi Barnabas

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Recently, I made a statement on cancer. I would like to know what kind of cancers are most affecting the northerners, lung cancer, breast cancer? If you could answer me that. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, the Northwest Territories is no different than, I believe, the rest of Canada in that lung cancer, in respect to specific cancers, is the highest cause of death in that category. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I would like to know, was there a lot of funding or a lot of impact for this government to treat people who travel to alcohol and drug treatment centres? Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Well, Mr. Chairman, I think we spent about $2 million or $3 million in respect to a residential alcohol and drug program that provide in-house services for people with alcohol and drug abuse problems. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ng . Your last question, Mr. Barnabas .

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Levi Barnabas

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Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My last question, will there be the same specialists after transfer from Montreal to Quebec. How will the specialists be after this transfer? I would like to thank the Minister for answering the questions. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. They would more than likely be new individuals involved if you were to transfer services from one jurisdiction to another. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ng . Questions for Minister Ng . I have Mr. Ningark , Member for Natilikmiot .

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I have had the opportunity for the last two years to question all of the Ministers. If it could make any difference to serve my people, it should have happened the past two years, I do not believe this forum today is going to make any difference, but we want to focus on the things that we did according to the plan, things that we did not do according to our plan; things that have fallen short.

When we were elected we appointed or selected Members of the Cabinet, the Premier and the Minister of Finance , in their statement, several times stated that this government is to be compassionate, fair. When we talk about balancing the budget many times, it was indicated that the budget will not be balanced on the backs of the poor. Having said that, Mr. Chairman, like Mr. Enuaraq indicated earlier, that he was concerned because he had been approached by many people from his area regarding the compassionate travel which was dropped from the program delivery.

In my capacity as the Member of the Legislature for my area, I have been approached by people from Pelly Bay, Gjoa Haven and Taloyoak sometime to a point where people were almost pleading to get the program back. As I have indicated, we want to be compassionate, we want to be fair and we are not going to balance the budget on the backs of the poor. I am wondering, having recognized that, the philosophy and the goals of the government. My question to the Minister is, will the Minister reinstate the compassionate travel for the sake of the poor people, especially those depending upon the social assistance?

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

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Thank you, Mr. Ningark for that long question. Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, first of all compassionate travel for individuals on social assistance is not within the responsibility of the Department of Health and Social Services because the income support is with my colleague, Mr. Dent . But having said that, even if it were still within the jurisdiction of Health and Social Services, it was a tough decision to make. I can say that it was not taken lightly, and it was considered in great length.

We discussed it in Cabinet when we knew that this reduction would bring a lot of controversy as it has as all Members have been approached at various times about this issue. When I go to leaders' forums or health board forums or meetings throughout the north, it does come up, but I go back to saying that our first priority is to the patients who require the treatment. If we could, we would provide compassionate travel for all those families or individuals who required it, but we just do not have the financial resources to continue to provide all the programs that we did.

We have to set the priorities and unfortunately, compassionate travel was not much as we would like to, was not one of the priorities when it came down between having travel for the patient or having travel for escorts, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My long question was used to make up one of the questions I am not going to be asking. The final question, Mr. Chairman, is the honourable Minister indicating that we, the government, cannot provide a compassionate travel for a family of a dying person, all of the family of a dying person, but at least one person of a family of a dying person, the government could provide travel? Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, as I indicated in my earlier response to Mr. Ningark , the boards do have policies in place for the medical travel and I know that they do make exceptions, depending on the circumstances and, how would you say, sometimes use their discretion in respect to travel for escorts. That is what I said earlier in response to Mrs. Groenewegen in respect to having local decision making, local input into recognizing what the priorities and what the issues are at a local level and responding to those issues accordingly, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ng . Questions for Minister Ng . I just have one name left here, Mr. Evaloarjuk .

Perhaps after that we could take a break while the drums are sounding. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just wanted to ask a short question in regard to women who go to shelters. Sometimes they bring many of their children to some of these shelters. I heard once there was a woman who left for a shelter just because she wanted to leave her husband. It seemed like when she wanted to go back home, she was able to return home at her own discretion. It seems to me that the men should be the ones taken out of the community, and I think that this way, the government would be saving money if they can remove the man out of the community instead of the woman.

I feel that the social workers should be more open to this idea. How has this situation been improved within the department? I feel that the man should be removed out of the community instead of the woman because sometimes a woman may have more than one child. So, I am going to ask the Minister how he can deal with this situation as a Minister? Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I think it is a valid issue the Member brings up. It is not an easy one to deal with. I think that how it has to be addressed is in the respect of community standards again on what is acceptable and not acceptable in different communities. I think the trend is that family violence against spouses is a profile of the issue that has been raised over the years.

As a result, there has been a lot of active involvement of the community, individuals in the community whether they are non-profit organizations or whether it is community councils and leaders who have taken on the initiative to provide programming and shelters within their communities. I think the time will come in these situations where peer pressure from the community to have the man, in most cases, leave the community or be impacted more severely than the female come about. I think it is evolving. It is just a matter of time before more initiatives progress in that area, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Chairman. My next question will be a final question. In Montreal there is Baffin House where patients go. Some women are married to a white person and vice versa. For instance, if I were to be married to a white person, some people tend to have accommodation in a hotel rather than the Baffin House. I have seen the situation occurring. I think that all patients should be treated equally whether they are married to a white person or not. I am going to ask this question, how often does a person who is married to a white person stay in Baffin House?

I am just going to ask the Minister whether the government is treating people unfairly in this sense? There were some Baffin people down there who were staying in a hotel, and there were some staying in the Baffin House. Am I misunderstanding this? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. (Translation ends)

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, without knowing the full circumstances on the specifics, I cannot speak the specifics that the honourable Member mentions. I think that what I would say is that different employers have different programs and benefits for their employees where some of them provide for their employees when they are out on medical travel to be allowed to stay at hotels and have different compensation structure. The Baffin House, from what I understand would be open to any individual coming out of the Baffin going to Montreal for medical treatment that required accommodation.

By the same token, I think, if individuals choose not to stay, want to make other accommodations arrangements, then I believe there is some flexibility for some allowance to support them in that regard as well, Mr. Chairman.

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Vince Steen

Thank you, Mr. Ng . I have reached the end of my list here, and I would like to recognize Mr. Ningark for some guidance.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman, I would recommend that after the break we deal with Mr. Todd who is next on the list and that we now conclude Mr. Ng . Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Members agree?

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Agreed.

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Vince Steen

After the 15 minute break, we will commence with Mr. Todd . Thank you.

--Break

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Vince Steen

I call the committee back to order. We are now on questions to the Honourable John Todd , Minister of Finance , Chairman of Financial Management Services. I recognize Mr. Enuaraq .

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon. Mr. Chairman, just two years ago when we first got elected to this Assembly, we all know that we were in deficit of $150 million. Now my question to the Finance Minister today is that how much deficit are we in today after two years? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I think our projected deficit without getting the audit statement which is around $12 million which is substantially reduced from our projected deficit last year. Thank you.

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Tommy Enuaraq

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. We only have about 17 months left before division which is April 1, 1999. How much deficit will there be at that date, April 1, 1999? Thank you.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Yes, I think I made an error in my response to the first question, I better clarify it. What I meant is our projected fiscal position at the end of this year is a $9 million surplus. That is what I am saying. But there was a $12 million difference between what we have projected and what we are ending up with on the accumulated side. If, you know I

mean, one has to project financially making certain assumptions what we think the fiscal position will be on April 1, 1999. I think our original projections were somewhere around $80, $90 million of accumulated deficit. You know, I would not want to be held accountable for the number I am going to give you, but our best estimate, assuming no major catastrophes out there, would be somewhere in the range of $30 million of our accumulated deficit on April 1, 1999.

That is not taking into consideration pay equity issues, we had the major forest fires that cost us millions of dollars so we had God made catastrophe, et cetera. But certainly my most optimistic numbers, that is presuming we can stay fiscally prudent which