Debates of March 25th, 1992

This is page numbers 440 - 463 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was hospital .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Victim Impact Statements

Ministers' Statement 45-12(2): Access To Government

Book, "journey Into An Emerging Land"

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Question O345-12(2): Access To Victim Impact Statement Pilot Project

Question O346-12(2): Update On New Water Line For Arviat

Question O347-12(2): Polar Bear Quota, Pangnirtung

Question O348-12(2): Licensing Of Bingos

Question O349-12(2): Abortions At Stanton Yellowknife Hospital

Question O350-12(2):counselling Before Performing Abortions

Question O351-12(2): Clarification Of Minister's Public Statement On Abortions

Question O352-12(2): Definition Of Abortion

Question O353-12(2): Amalgamation Of Department Of Culture And Communications

Question O354-12(2): Use Of Anesthetic During Abortions

Question O355-12(2): Support For Complaints From Status Of Women

Question O356-12(2): Acknowledgement Of Complaints By Department Of Health

Question O357-12(2): Minister's Interview On Cbc

Question O358-12(2): Emergency Equipment For Floods, Hay River Reserve

Question O359-12(2): Ministers' Code Of Conduct Re Boundary Plebiscite

Question O360-12(2): Factual Information On Plebiscite

Question O361-12(2): Expenses Of Minister Travelling To Pond Inlet

Question O362-12(2):department's Awareness Of Abortion Concerns

Question O363-12(2): Complimentary Bingo Passes

Question O364-12(2): Standards And Procedures For Medical Professionals

Question O365-12(2): Correspondence From Dr. Lalonde Re Abortion Procedures At Stanton Yellowknife Hospital

Further Return Question O365-12(2): Correspondence From Dr. Lalonde Re Abortion Procedures At Stanton Yellowknife Hospital

Question O366-12(2): Timing Of Complaints Received From Status Of Women Council Re Abortions

Further Return Question O366-12(2): Timing Of Complaints Received From Status Of Women Council Re Abortions

Question O367-12(2):government Employees "moonlighting"

Question O368-12(2): Government Employees Holding Business Licences

Question O369-12(2): Terms Of Employment Legislation

Question O370-12(2): Average Pay Increase Of Senior Managers

Question O371-12(2): Editing Of Press Release On Assessment Of Hospital Procedures

Question O372-12(2): Decision To Edit Press Release On Abortions

Question O373-12(2): Tabling Of Press Release On Abortions

Question O374-12(2): Pain Relieving Medication And Anesthetic Compounds

Question O375-12(2): Availability Of Abortion Questionnaire In Aboriginal Languages

Question O376-12(2): Pay Increase To Hay Plan Employees

Question O377-12(2): Review Of Surgical Abortion Procedures

Further Return Question O377-12(2): Review Of Surgical Abortion Procedures

Question O378-12(2): Meetings Between Executive Director Of Status Of Women Council And Department Of Health

Question O379-12(2): The NWT Health Care Way And Abortion Procedures

Assurance That Current Abortion Practices Do Not Continue

Question O381-12(2): Absence Of General Surgeon At Inuvik Regional Hospital

Question W29-12(2): Tendering Process For Ice Roads From Inuvik To Aklavik/tuktoyaktuk

Question W30-12(2): Restructuring Of NWT Power Corporation

Item 7: Returns To Written Questions

Committee Report 8-12(2), Report Of The Standing Committee On Agencies, Boards And Commissions

Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Notice Of Motion For First Reading Of Bill 7: Interim Appropriation Act

Tabling Of "the NWT Way," Carried

Annual Tabling Of Members' Expenditures

First Reading Of Bill 26: Liquor Act

First Reading Of Bill 27: Wildlife Conservation Act

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 19: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Revert To Item 12: Tabling Of Documents

Item 21: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Antoine , Mr. Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Hon. Michael Ballantyne , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Mrs. Marie-Jewell , Ms. Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Mr. Nerysoo , Hon. John Ningark , Hon. Dennis Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Mr. Todd , Hon. Tony Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Victim Impact Statements

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Good afternoon. Orders of the day for Wednesday, March 25, 1992. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Ministers' statements. Mr. Patterson .

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Ministers' Statement 45-12(2): Access To Government

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 440

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in December, I circulated a discussion paper on access to government to my colleagues in the Legislative Assembly. It contained suggestions for the development of a bill which would combine access to information legislation with a process for assisting the public. We are a small population, but a 'big' territory. We are looking to develop a model which will address the distinct needs of the people of the Northwest Territories.

In principle, access to information legislation takes people to the first step in the process of examining government actions; that is, it gives them a way to obtain the documents. Many, if not the majority of public concerns, however, go beyond getting copies of government papers. Getting the documents does not necessarily solve problems or answer questions.

As you will see from the discussion paper, it proposes that these next steps be within the powers of an 'access to government commissioner' or 'ombudsman,' appointed by and reporting directly to this Assembly. Broad powers of investigation and access to government would be included. A network for intake of complaints or requests would be established, using existing resources wherever possible.

At a time when we are seeking ways of improving the process for government accountability and access, and, at the same time, working in an atmosphere of fiscal restraint, it is doubly important to find creative solutions.

Later today, I will be tabling the discussion paper. As a next step, I will be consulting on it. This way, members of the public as well as the government, will have an opportunity to consider and comment on the philosophy and direction of the initiative. With that assistance, we will be better able to shape the proposal before a more formal process begins. We will aim to introduce a bill in the fall. Qujannamiik.

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Ministers' Statement 45-12(2): Access To Government

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 440

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Ministers' statements. I would like to take this opportunity to welcome a group of students in the gallery. The students are from Alberta and Saskatchewan in Canada; and from Brazil, Japan and South Africa. They are visiting Yellowknife under the sponsorship of the Rotary northern experience program.

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Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Dent .

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Ministers' Statement 45-12(2): Access To Government

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 440

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, I rise today to comment on the limited availability of services that enable victims of crime to prepare a victim impact statement for court consideration. In 1988, Mr. Speaker, all Ministers responsible for criminal justice in Canada, including the Hon. Michael Ballantyne , signed a statement of basic principle of justice for victims of crime. I would like to quote from one of those principles to which we agreed: 'Where the personal interests of the victim are affected, the views or concerns of the victim should be brought to the attention of the court where appropriate and consistent with criminal law in procedure!

Presently, Mr. Speaker, the Department of Justice and the RCMP are making services available to residents of the Northwest Territories in nine selected communities through a pilot project announced on July 3, 1991. Victims of crime in these nine communities are assisted by the RCMP, working jointly with the Department of Justice, to make voluntary victim impact statements. These enable the victim to tell the courts how a crime has affected them emotionally, physically or financially.

Persons who are victimized in other communities do not receive the same level of service. Frequently, the victim must endure the stress of giving evidence in person as their only recourse for advising the court about the impact of the crime. It does not make sense for an individual to have to endure additional personal hardship in order to appraise the courts of the hardship they have already suffered.

This hit home recently, Mr. Speaker, in a criminal matter which was widely reported in the local press. A Yellowknife woman, the alleged victim of a sexual assault, had information about the personal impact caused by the incident before the court. The only way she was able to make the evidence available to the court was to undergo the stressful and humiliating experience of taking the stand.

If she lived in Pond Inlet, Mr. Speaker, she would have had the option of making a victim impact statement. The same would be true if she was living in Norman Wells, Hay River, or in any of the other selected nine communities included in the pilot project. This is simply not fair.

Given that a large number of sentencing submissions are heard by the courts in Yellowknife and the other communities which are now excluded from the program, it makes little sense for residents of these communities to be excluded from the target group receiving these services. I would like to see the Department of Justice wrap up the evaluation phase of this pilot project, and move as quickly as possible toward full implementation of services aimed at the preparation of victim impact statements in Yellowknife and throughout the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Ministers' Statement 45-12(2): Access To Government

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 440

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Members' statements. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Book, "journey Into An Emerging Land"

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 440

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

My personal experiences with the Kazan River, which is what the book is about, are limited to the Kazan Falls; however, I have had the experience of capsizing on the river in early summer. I do not think I can begin to tell you how cold it is when you fall into that river.

I have known the author, Mr. Pelly, now for about 10 years, and get to see him every year when he has completed another of his trips down one of the many rivers which flow into Baker Lake.

The book, "Journey Into An Emerging Land", explores the natural and cultural history of the Kazan River. The story begins 7000 years ago when the last ice age ended and the ice retreated from what is now the Keewatin. Since then, a new landscape has formed; vegetation, birds and animals arrived, and both Inuit and Dene people came to live and hunt. These stages in the history of a Barren Lands' river are told by different scientists, each one of whom has travelled and studied the Kazan River. Much of the field work behind the book was done by Operation Raleigh which is an international expedition for youth.

Never before has such a complete description of an Arctic river been published. Added to this are the thoughts, sketches and impressions of young people from all around the world who have paddled down the Kazan River. They visited Baker Lake for a week at the end of their trip, and built two playgrounds which the children of that community will be using for many years to come.

His Royal Highness, The Prince of Wales, Prince Charles, wrote the foreword in which he explains the importance of this book...

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Arngna'naaq , your time has expired.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

I seek unanimous consent to continue with my statement.

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Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

The honourable Member is seeking unanimous consent. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Proceed, please.

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Book, "journey Into An Emerging Land"

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker and honourable Members. Referring to the mystery of the North and, specifically, the mystery of the Kazan River Valley, the Prince of Wales writes: "To seek solutions of that mystery is important both for the land and for its inhabitants. Only in the quest to understand, do people develop a respect. The more we understand the unique environment that has emerged in the Arctic Barren Lands, the more we will value that wilderness.

Only in establishing a record of the human life that once depended on that environment, can we ensure the preservation of a cultural heritage unlike any other in the world. The valley of the Kazan River today is a wilderness; no one lives there and few travel there. The mystery of the emerging land endures. Its natural and cultural heritage is rich. In an awareness of that heritage lies the key to its preservation." Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Book, "journey Into An Emerging Land"

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 441

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Pollard .

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Return To Question O268-12(2): Community Economic Development Officers

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 441

John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is in response to Question O268-12(2), asked by Mr. Pudlat on March 5, 1992. There are currently eight economic development officers serving 14 Baffin communities, of which three positions are serving the Baffin South riding. The department has an EDO stationed in Cape Dorset, and an officer serving Lake Harbour from Iqaluit.

The department has also entered into a contract with the Hamlet of Sanikiluaq to hire a community business development officer. This officer will work for the hamlet on economic development projects and issues. Hiring for the Sanikiluaq community business development officer is under way. Sanikiluaq will participate in the hiring process.

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Return To Question O264-12(2): Employment Officer, Fort Providence

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 441

John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, I have a return to Question O264-12(2), asked by Mr. Gargan on March 4, 1992. An economic development officer was hired in November 1991, for the community of Fort Providence. The EDO, Mr. Victor Sudermann, has been working out of Fort Smith and has been in Fort Providence on several occasions. Mr. Sudermann will be posted full time in Fort Providence as soon as office space is available.

Arrangements for office space have been made, and we anticipate that the EDO will move into the new DIGAA Enterprises building in Fort Providence by the end of March. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Return To Question O264-12(2): Employment Officer, Fort Providence

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 441

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Returns to oral questions. Mr. Morin ,

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Return To Question O339-12(2): Husky Rental Units

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 441

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to Question O339-12(2), asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on March 24, 1992. The lease for the Husky rental units expires on August 31, 1995.

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Further Return To Question O97-12(2): Dpw Minister's Commitment To Development Of Business Incentive Policy

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 441

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

I have a return to Question O97-12(2), asked by Mrs. Marie-Jewell on February 20, 1992. The reasons for amending the business incentive policy were to:

a) provide for a better enforcement of the policy in order to ensure that the benefits of the policy are extended only to bona fide northern businesses and that "storefront" businesses do not benefit;

b) recognize the additional costs of operating in the smaller northern communities by providing a level of local preference;

c) ensure that all contracting organizations follow the GNWT preference policies so long as they receive the majority of their funding from the GNWT;

d) provide financial support, through the reinvestment of corporate earnings, to the northern economy.

Thank you

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Further Return To Question O97-12(2): Dpw Minister's Commitment To Development Of Business Incentive Policy

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 441

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Returns to oral questions. Mr. Patterson .

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Further Return To Question O333-12(2): GNWT Involvement In Kitty Reynolds Case Review

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to Question O333-12(2), asked by Mr. Gargan yesterday. Mr. Gargan expressed his concern for the well-being of Ms. Kitty Nowdluk-Reynolds, whose complaint to the RCMP Public Complaints Commission is being heard in Iqaluit now. I have contacted the RCMP and have been informed that Ms. Reynolds' expenses for legal counsel are being covered by the commission.

Mr. Gargan asked specifically whether professional and personal assistance will be provided by my department to Ms. Reynolds, if she requests it. There are two specific victims' programs under the mandate of my department. One is the Victims' Assistance Committee. Money from a surcharge on fines is disbursed to organizations for training and other initiatives, so that victims may be assisted at the community level. The other is under the Criminal Injuries Compensation Act, a program which allows victims of crime to make application for losses suffered by them as a result of a criminal action against them.

This is a program in which we respect the wishes of victims to maintain a certain amount of confidentiality. Other than that, we do not have the mandate or resources to step in and lend assistance.

I do appreciate the honourable Member's concern for the well-being of Ms. Nowdluk-Reynolds. I share that concern, but it is now a matter for the commission to deal with, and it is not appropriate for me to say anything further on it at this time. Thank you.

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Further Return To Question O333-12(2): GNWT Involvement In Kitty Reynolds Case Review

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Returns to oral questions. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, oral questions. Mr. Dent .

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Question O345-12(2): Access To Victim Impact Statement Pilot Project

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 442

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Justice . Yesterday the Minister advised that if I were able to inform him of any reason for speeding up access to the pilot project victims' statements, that he would consider approving that. I think today I pointed out an incident that has happened within the last week in Yellowknife, and I was wondering if the Minister would advise me how many more cases like that he would like me to bring to his attention before proceeding.

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Question O345-12(2): Access To Victim Impact Statement Pilot Project

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Patterson .

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Question O345-12(2): Access To Victim Impact Statement Pilot Project

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 442

Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I would not expect the Member to provide me with numerous examples of that kind to encourage me to pursue his request. I would note, though, that there was quite a lot of consultation that went into the development of this program among various agencies involved in the administration of justice, and I would feel obliged to consult again in order to complete an earlier evaluation, which would take a little bit of time. But I have taken careful note of the Member's eloquent statement today, and I can assure him that I will see what I can do to complete an earlier evaluation than had been planned initially. Thank you.

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Question O345-12(2): Access To Victim Impact Statement Pilot Project

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Oral question. Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Question O346-12(2): Update On New Water Line For Arviat

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 442

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs . Earlier in this session the Minister assured me that the water line project for Arviat was going to go ahead. But I have not heard any definite confirmation on this. I know that the Minister has indicated that they will be reallocating funds to do this. I would like to know if he has any definite confirmation of this project. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O346-12(2): Update On New Water Line For Arviat

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 442

The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Mr. Minister.

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Question O346-12(2): Update On New Water Line For Arviat

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, it was just a few weeks ago that I made the commitment in this Legislature to do what I could to advance this project. That was, of course, a recommendation of the standing committee on finance, which this government and this department is taking very seriously. I would have to tell the Member that today I cannot provide any concrete information about this project, but I can tell him that the department has several very good and live possibilities for ways in which, through down-sizing or other reallocations within the departmental budget, moneys can be diverted to advancing this project as the committee recommended.

I do wish to point out that some survey work is required, which I am told will happen as soon as break-up occurs and as soon as we can get on the land and look at the Wolf Creek and the best place for putting in an intake. That will happen early in the summer. I will pursue that with diligence, and I think that perhaps by the time we next sit, I should have some very solid information for the honourable Member about our ability to complete that project this summer, and I am optimistic about that. Thank you.

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Question O346-12(2): Update On New Water Line For Arviat

Item 5: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

Oral questions. Ms. Mike .

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Question O347-12(2): Polar Bear Quota, Pangnirtung

Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 442

Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question to the Minister of Renewable Resources . Last year the polar bear survey was completed. In the 11th Assembly the Minister of Renewable Resources went to Pangnirtung to inform the people of Pangnirtung of the results of the polar bear survey. The hunters in Pangnirtung are looking forward to hear if the quota will be larger than last year. Could you give me an answer as soon as possible?

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I will take the question as notice and answer later on.

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Question O348-12(2): Licensing Of Bingos

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Page 442

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Safety and Public Services about the lotteries policy that regulates the licensing of bingo operations for charitable purposes. It is my understanding that presently the government will only provide bingo licences for organizations considered as registered charities, In some circumstances, though, the charitable organizations have found it best to establish themselves as corporations without share capital. The profits do not go to the directors of the corporation but

are reinvested to promote social and cultural objectives within the community.

The Uqqurmiut centre for arts and crafts in Pangnirtung is a good example of this sort of community venture. Is the Minister willing to re-evaluate eligibility requirements for the issuance of licences for bingos?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Under the general rules for lotteries in the lotteries information booklet, it states that licences can be issued for purposes beneficial to the community, including the promotion of cultural activities or the teaching of arts and crafts. Is the Minister aware that organizations like the Uqqurmiut Inuit Artists' Association carry out those activities but may fall outside the narrow definition of charitable organizations under the legislation?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Well, I am aware now if I was not before, Mr. Speaker. I certainly heard the Member's submissions on that. I should note that during the previous year a lottery review was conducted which accepted input from a number of bodies that were concerned about the lottery regulations. That review could well result in changes to the regulations and could address the point that the honourable Member has raised. So I will take into account his advice and concern, and also the public input that was sought last year, and attempt to address the issue that has been brought to my attention today. Thank you.

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. This is obviously an issue that affects the group in Pangnirtung. Would the Minister be willing to direct his officials involved with the licensing of bingos to travel to Pangnirtung and meet with the representatives of the community and the artists' association to explore the possible avenues for reconciling the differences and for them to get future bingo licences?

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Well, of course, Mr. Speaker, I would want to consult with the MLA for that community before making such an undertaking. But if that is a request that is coming from the community, I certainly would be open to have someone meet with the particular association.

I will point out that lottery licensing responsibility has been delegated to regional directors in the various regions, although there are people in headquarters responsible. So it might be possible to avoid sending someone all the way from

Yellowknife to meet with the group. It may be possible to have their concern dealt with within the region. At any rate, Mr. Speaker, I will certainly look at following up on that request in consultation with the MLA for that community.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of Health . I have recently acquired a copy of the transcript of the CBC News this morning, Mackenzie Morning, done by the Minister of Health this morning with one of the reporters. It brings some concern to me, not only as an MLA but as a woman in the Territories. It is in regard to the issue of abortion. Can the Minister advise this House whether or not abortions that are being performed at the Stanton Yellowknife Hospital are following the same procedures that are used in other parts of the country? Are the same medical procedures being used?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, the procedures are in keeping with standards set.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Can the Minister indicate to me, where?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The standards are standards of care for therapeutic abortions and are established by the Society of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists in Canada.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, can the Minister indicate to this House whether or not, when abortions are performed, there is anesthetic given to the patient, which is normal practice, apparently, in other parts of the country?

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Tony Whitford

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Yes, Mr. Speaker, I have been advised that the procedures are standard. They may vary in some instances as to the type and amounts of medication given to a patient prior to, during and after the procedure.

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Question O350-12(2):counselling Before Performing Abortions

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Following up with Mrs. Marie-Jewell 's questions, I would like to ask the Minister whether the women being given the abortions are advised of the difficulty they may be experiencing and whether they are given the opportunity for medication if they do ask.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, there is a procedure that takes place which involves counselling. All patients requiring and seeking an abortion at the Stanton Yellowknife Hospital first receive counselling from the attending physicians and nursing staff in regard to the procedure. They are also informed by the physician and the nursing staff that the procedure is performed without a general anesthetic, and the reasons for these standards of care are explained to the patient so that they know, and also they have an opportunity to sign a consent form.

Further, Mr. Speaker, if a person is apprehensive, there is medication given to a patient. There is no patient receiving an abortion without their consent and without the care that is needed for that particular type of a procedure. There is no way that the hospital does this type of procedure against the will of an individual. They are informed first of all that it is not a practice that will be done without an anesthetic, or if the patient requests an anesthetic, they will receive it.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister of Health in respect to reviewing some of the comments that he had in his interview with CBC. He indicated, and I would like to quote, "I do not think people who seek abortions are forced into seeking an abortion, and they are not forced into having an abortion." I would like the Minister to clarify what he meant by this public statement in respect to abortions.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I had prepared a point of privilege to bring to the House under Rule 32(1) dealing with that very issue and I was waiting for the appropriate time to do this, according to the rules.

Point Of Privilege

Mr. Speaker, this morning CBC Radio carried an interview that I did yesterday concerning the matter of abortions. I am concerned that my comments did not come across the way that they should have. What I was trying to say to the reporter was that I had been advised that patients have a choice on whether or not they wish to have pain relief during an abortion procedure; I certainly did not want to suggest in any way that patients either have to have an abortion without pain killers, or they do not.

Mr. Speaker, I am advised by the hospital that standard procedures involving the administering of pain relieving medication, as required, before, during and after the

procedure -- I am told that in some cases general anesthetic is used in specific circumstances, such as for young patients, severely emotional and distraught patients, when the pregnancy is in the latter part of the first trimester, or when another medical procedure is being performed at the same time.

I explained this to the reporter, That part of the interview did not make it on to the news. I regret, Mr. Speaker, any misunderstanding that may have arisen out of that broadcast.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I know in accordance with the rules that any Member, at any time, can bring forth a point of privilege. I am sure that Mr. Whitford could have brought forth his point of privilege at any point in time.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

But I would like to get back to the question that I asked the Minister. He did indicate in his comments that he did not think people seeking abortions are forced into seeking abortions and they are not forced into having abortions. What did he mean when he made such a statement'? He did publicly make this type of statement, Mr. Speaker.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, on the point of privilege, I am supposed to give the House an hour's notice on something that was on a broadcast and not something that had been raised in the House. That was the delay; it had to be five minutes after 2:00 o'clock. It is in the book on page 12.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

But to the question. The comments that I made were perhaps in my words, but it is not my intention to pass judgment on anyone as to whether or not an abortion should take place. It has never been, never was, never will be, my position. I was simply stating that a patient was not forced to have an abortion without an anesthetic if they did not want to have an abortion without an anesthetic, and I had explained that to the reporter. Unfortunately, that did not come across as I had intended it.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

I would like to ask if the Minister of Health is aware that many of the women who are recommended for, or request, such procedure, and appear at the Stanton Yellowknife Hospital in respect to abortions are in fact women who have possibly miscarried and not really women that want to have abortions. They have no choice in seeking such elective surgery. Is the Minister aware of this?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am not personally aware of what the Member is referring to, but I am advised that during the standard abortion procedure -- by

choice, that is -- a certain amount of counselling takes place between the physician and the patient. I am advised as well that there are female nursing staff present that are giving as good care as can be given under those trying circumstances. 1, as a Member, am greatly concerned about what I have been hearing. As a result of this, Mr. Speaker, I have asked Stanton Yellowknife Hospital to do a full public review of the procedures at the hospital. When these findings are made known to me, I will make them known to the House.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, obviously, the Minister has not understood my question, nor does he understand what I am speaking about. I have indicated to the Minister that these procedures with respect to abortions being performed are not only because of a woman wanting to have an abortion; they could be because of the result of a miscarriage that the same type of elective surgery is done to women. Earlier, I had asked the Minister if he is aware of this; that is, medical elective surgery is somewhat similar. Is he aware that similar procedures are used?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I apologize for the delay. I am not a medical person, and I can only rely on the information that I obtain from the medical profession. I am informed that the procedure for abortions is as I indicated. They are given counselling. They are given medication to relieve any pain or stress that may be caused by this traumatic experience. I am not sure, Mr. Speaker, whether I can answer anything other than that. As the honourable Member indicated, they may be similar, and I am sure the procedures would be similar on the advice of the doctor.

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Question O352-12(2): Definition Of Abortion

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I did not realize I used all my supplementaries on my initial question, but I am thinking of how to develop a new question. Mr. Speaker, I am concerned now that the Minister's reply indicated that he is not a medical professional. I recognize that; however, I do know that he does have a lot of resources for medical professionals that are made available to him as a Minister through his department. I would like to know whether or not the Minister has had any types of briefings with respect to the issue of abortions, and the definition of abortion by medical officials.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have consulted with our assistant deputy minister, Dr. Kinloch, and others in our department as to the question of procedure. 1, as any ordinary person, would be aware that an abortion is a very traumatic experience and something that may be seen in a category of its own. An induced abortion and a spontaneous abortion, I am sure are very traumatic and very painful to the individual, but that is something that is dealt with at the point of service when the person is in the hospital

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

I do not know if I should make an attempt, Mr. Speaker, to try to educate the Minister, but can I ask the Minister if he realizes that a spontaneous abortion is another word for a miscarriage?

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Mr. Speaker, I am aware now.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, my question is for the Minister of Finance . It has been about three years now, Mr. Speaker, since I lobbied the government to see whether or not an interpreter from Hay River could be moved to the Hay River Reserve. The reason for the delay is that they are considering the amalgamation of that department. I would like to know which department the Department of Culture and Communications would be moved to.

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John Pollard

Hay River

Mr. Speaker, no decisions have been made in that regard. I would be speculating if I said it was going to go here or there. I am aware of the problem Mr. Gargan is raising, and I will talk to the Government Leader as soon as she returns to see if we can straighten out the issue. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Mr. Speaker, I understand the arrangement now is that anybody from Hay River that is working on the Hay River Reserve is being compensated for gasoline or travel. Anybody working on the Hay River Reserve and travelling to Hay River is not being given similar arrangements, and I would like to know why.

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John Pollard

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I am aware of that, as well, Mr. Speaker. At the same time as I am trying to find out why the position cannot be transferred to the Hay River Reserve, I will also try to find out why there is no compensation for travelling one way when there is when you are travelling the other way. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question O354-12(2): Use Of Anesthetic During Abortions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Health if he supports the requirement for anesthetic services to individuals requesting or having abortions performed.

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Yes, Mr. Speaker.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has the Minister instructed or given any instruction about financing or providing the necessary services at the Yellowknife Stanton Hospital for such services?

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Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Not specifically. I did not realize there was a problem dealing with the administration of anesthetics.

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Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister if any of his staff has met with the administration and management board of Stanton Yellowknife Hospital to discuss this particular issue.

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Yes, Mr. Speaker, they have done SO.

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Thank you. I would like to ask the Minister if there have been any resolutions to the concerns that have been raised.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I realize that a lot has happened in two days' time. This was brought to my attention yesterday morning. It was about 8:30 when I first heard this on the news, and like everyone else, I was shocked by the story that I heard about the woman in lqaluit. At the earliest opportunity, which was about half an hour after I heard this, I directed the deputy minister to look into the matter, I have not been able to ascertain whether or not, at this point in time, there was any change in procedures or anything different than would normally be conducted.

Therefore I was not able to have anybody issue any specific instructions, other than to be assured that medication to relieve pain, either through general anesthetic or partial anesthetic or else through intravenous or pills to assist in the suppression of pain, prior to and after the procedure, was available. I was assured that this was part of it, and I have not issued any other instructions dealing with medication because I am assured that this is available, at the doctor's discretion.

However, I learned subsequently from the news stories that there may be some discrepancies between what one comment is and what another is and that is why I have asked the Stanton Yellowknife Hospital Board to conduct this review to assure the public, that in fact, people are receiving quality treatment for this very traumatic procedure.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, I have a question for the Minister responsible for the Status of Women. I would like to advise him that it has been reported that the Status of Women Council has received as many as 14 complaints from women who have had abortions in Yellowknife. The executive director has indicated that she took these complaints to the Department of Health but got nowhere with them. I would like to know if the Minister supports the concerns raised by the council in respect to this issue of abortions.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am in the process of having a meeting to talk about the issue. I do support the concern of the Status of Women Council.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

Mr. Speaker, besides meeting with the Status of Women Council, I would like to ask what role the Minister is prepared to play in responding to women who feel they have been violated as a result of surgical procedures carried out at the Stanton Yellowknife Hospital.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am prepared to represent and speak for the Status of Women.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister of Health , now that he has acknowledged that complaints have been raised with the Department of Health, why the department did not respond to the concerns that were raised by the Status of Women Council?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, since I have been the Minister I have not received one complaint. No complaints have been brought to my attention through the department, dealing with the procedures of abortion at Stanton Yellowknife Hospital. There have been three complaints raised about Stanton over the past two years, of which one was in writing and two were oral, and I have been advised that they have all been dealt with. There is a procedure that is in place for directing concerns about physicians and medical treatment to the department, and to my knowledge that procedure has not bee n used by the Status of Women or any other persons.

I stand here without any facts to present to the House about the 14 complaints. I have not heard one name. I have asked about it. I have not received anything that will indicate to me that there have been complaints, other than what I heard on the CBC, and that dealt specifically with one individual. I have not received one name. The Status of Women have never come forward to me to bring this to my attention over the months that I have been in office and, Mr. Speaker, I am very accessible.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Is the Minister going to address this matter with the department officials?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, I have already met with the department officials and we are reviewing the procedures and the process to ensure that the public are made secure in any doubts they may have about the abortion procedures. I stand behind the process that we have. I have advised the department to revisit this and advise the Stanton board to look into this matter through a public review. I have also instructed Dr. Kinloch to be the coordinator of any concerns that may come up on this issue, so we can co-ordinate these things and so people know who to contact. Being a doctor, he would probably be better to advise the public than I would.

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Mr. Speaker, I can get up and raise or criticize an official of government, but I am not necessarily certain that Dr. Kinloch is the right person to represent the interests of the people in the community.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thebacha

That is for sure

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

But I want to ask the Minister if he is prepared to consider an individual who has the respect and some integrity in dealing with communities, who have to use this particular hospital.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Mr. Speaker, I am not sure how I should answer this. I have every faith in Dr. Kinloch's ability to receive complaints or calls and explain concerns and be able to bring this to my attention and to the staff's attention. I have every faith in Dr. Kinloch's ability to be able to talk to people about medical matters. If the Member has some suggestions. I would certainly be open to hearing what those are.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Just to follow up on the question my colleague from Thebacha asked on the interview that was done at 7:30 this morning on CBC with the Minister of Health . What did he mean when he made the comment, "I do not think people seeking abortions are forced into seeking an abortion, and they are not forced into having an abortion"?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. And I thank my honourable colleague for raising this point. What I was directing my comments to was dealing with the anesthetics and pain relief medication that may be administered; that through the consultation process the doctor and patient discuss procedure; that if there is any apprehension, certain medications are given to relieve tension and stress -- if there is any hesitation on the patient's part. What I was referring to was to deal with the fact that no one is subjected to an operation against their will without an anesthetic. If a patient said, "I want an anesthetic; I cannot go through this," they are not forced physically.

Because judging by the story that I heard, that people were holding someone down -- people on the street mentioned the words, 'torture chamber.' This was said to assuage the fear that procedures were taking place in the hospital against people's will without any medication or anesthetic. We do not do those things these days, Mr. Speaker, and that was what I was alluding to, and for some reason that just did not come through clearly. I was not referring to a person's choice of 'take it or leave it," so to speak; not at all. It was merely to say that if it was deemed that a great amount of pain was going to be experienced, anesthetic could be administered.

As I said, part of the procedure was to administer certain relaxants, certain pain killers, prior to the procedure, if requested and required, and in post-operative recovery.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Mr. Speaker, the comment the Minister of Health made in the interview this morning seems to suggest that -the way I understand the answer he made, "I do not think those seeking abortions are forced into seeking an abortion. They are not forced into having an abortion." He is not talking about anesthetic; he is talking about abortion. I would like to know exactly what you meant, having said what you said during the interview.

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Member is quite correct; that is what came out on the radio. I regret that that is the way it was said; but in the context it was said, I had said much more before that, as I explained the full procedure, and unfortunately the clip was 20 seconds of a two to three minute interview. I regret there are any misunderstandings of my intentions and my position on abortion. I have no intention whatsoever to pass judgment on anyone.

I am merely pointing out that any medical procedure that requires the administration of an anesthetic, that in the doctor's opinion should be applied or should not be applied, depending on what it is, that if a patient requests it and it is medically suitable, it will be done. I was saying that no one is actually forced to undergo such a traumatic experience without some medication. That is what I was alluding to, and I apologize for any misunderstanding that may have been created by my actual words. The sentence was not long enough to include the word on anesthetic.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Does the Minister of Health have any idea if a person chooses to have an abortion and has never had one before, would undergo something like that? If you never experienced it without anesthetic, how can a patient know? Is he aware of that?

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Tony Whitford

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am perhaps one individual that will never experience that procedure. I do know from my days in social work that it is a traumatic experience under any conditions; whether it is something that a person chooses or something that is forced upon them through circumstances. I am very concerned that people may believe that we perform surgical procedures without anesthetic, and I want to assure the public that this is not the case. I also want to assure the Member that the information that I have, and my personal experience as a social worker, is that counselling does take place. Patients are informed of a procedure, how it is going to be done, and what precedes it.

I have only been through a couple of operations in my life, and I have been told before hand what to expect; and I would assume from what I know, and from what I have heard and what I have been advised, that this does occur or is supposed to occur. If the advice that I am told is supposed to be given to patients prior to an abortion is not being given, 1, as well as Members of this House, want to know that there have been some shortcomings.

This is why I have asked the Stanton Yellowknife Hospital Board to look into this matter, to see that the procedures are in keeping with what is outlined and ensure that the public is left confident that the procedures that we do here are the best that we can provide and that they are in keeping with the standards that have been set by the medical profession for all areas. And if this is not happening, then I want to know about it so I can inform the public that we have looked into it and taken those things into consideration and rectified a shortcoming, if it has happened.

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The Speaker

Michael Ballantyne

I will just make one short comment. I have cautioned Members about their

preambles to oral questions, but I would also like to caution Ministers about their long

carrying on in answering a question. If you could be a little more concise. Mr. Gargan .

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Item 5: Oral Questions

Page 448

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Justice . The Minister wrote to me yesterday in regard to purchasing some emergency equipment in the event of a flood in Hay River. One of the things the Minister suggested is the emergency coordinator will be in Hay River from May 4th on, and that would be the time to acquisition emergency communication equipment if the need arises. Will any equipment that is ordered take weeks and months before you get it? What is the Minister suggesting? that we wait until the emergency coordinator gets there and then order the stuff?

By then everything could be flooded. I would think that would be for the preparation of the equipment that is being requested.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I think I stated earlier this session that there are arrangements in place to provide equipment for the forthcoming flood season on a temporary basis, as has been done in the past. It is for the long-term acquisition of equipment and permanent arrangements for the reserve that I suggested our emergency measures co-ordinator could meet in May. We have the situation in hand for the forthcoming season. It is not going to be possible to make long-term arrangements before the flood season, but I would hope that could be done in a proper fashion when that visit is planned in May. That is what I meant in my letter, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The equipment required is not much. The reserve is asking for several walkie-talkies that they could use for dialogue with the Town of Hay River and the Hay River Reserve. The Minister wrote this letter before he saw that, but in here it suggests there is no money of any kind to assist the reserve. Perhaps the coordinator might be able to do something for equipment acquisition. What I am suggesting is that the equipment required is not very much. We are not asking for an exorbitant amount of capital allocation. We are asking for enough money to purchase the necessary small portable equipment that would assist the reserve.

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I apologize if the letter was not clear. I can tell the honourable Member that I am informed that next week the emergency measures coordinator will be on the reserve and will deliver radios of the kind the Member is describing. They will be in the hands of his constituents next week. What I was trying to say in the letter is that there is a federal program the JEPS program, joint emergency preparedness program which will provide the funds necessary to purchase these units so that temporary arrangements do not have to be made each year. If this program exists, and since we can access it, we would all agree we should use the federal program if it is available.

Short-term needs are being met, as they have been in previous years, next week. We will assist to get money to the band to access this program so that this will not have to come up every year. They can purchase the necessary equipment and radios and have them in hand on a permanent basis from here on in. I hope this is satisfactory.

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Question O359-12(2): Ministers' Code Of Conduct Re Boundary Plebiscite

Item 5: Oral Questions

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Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have noticed that the Government Leader has not left anyone in charge of the government. However, I have a very important question to ask. In the absence of a Government Leader or an acting Government Leader , I will ask Mr.