Debates of May 15th, 1996

This is page numbers 363 - 407 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 3rd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was chairman .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Minister Absent From The House

Status Of Women Council Of The Northwest Territories

Consensus Government

Mackenzie River System

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Final Report On Affirmative Action Review

Rejection Of Social Assistance Applications

Review Of Rents Charged In NWT Elders' Facilities

Inclusion Of Summer Students In Collective Agreement

City Of Yellowknife Operational Evaluation

Nwtpc Plans In Case Of Low-water Levels

Review Of Rents Charged In Elders' Facilities

Status Of Water/sewer Subsidy Policy

Privatization Of NWT Power

elimination Of French Translator/interpreter Position In Iqaluit

Department Position On Chiropractic Services

Meeting With Federal Finance Minister Re Division Expenses

Shortage Of Office Space For Arctic Bay Hamlet Staff

Employment For Mining Course Graduates

Status Of Nwtta Bargaining Process

Return To Written Question 4-13(3): Lack Of Availability Of Aviation Fuel In The Nunavut Area

Item 13: Tabling Of Documents

Removal And Recovery Of Consumer Price Index Increase To Members' Allowances And Expenses

Bill 13: Loan Authorization Act, 1996-97

Item 18: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Bill 11: Appropriation Act, 1996-97

To Suspend Application Of The Business Incentive Policy

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Jim Antoine , Hon. Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Hon. Charles Dent , Mr. Enuaraq , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Hon. Samuel Gargan , Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Mr. Miltenberger , Hon. Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Roland , Mr. Steen , Hon. Manitok Thompson , Hon. John Todd

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 363

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The House will come to order. Thank you, Mr. Ningark . Good afternoon. I would also like to thank Mr. Ningark for acting in my place for the last two days.

Orders of the day, item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Minister's Statement 53-13(3): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 363

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I wish to advise Members that the Honourable Stephen Kakfwi will be absent from the House today to attend Rendezvous Canada, 1996, in Edmonton. Thank you.

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Minister's Statement 53-13(3): Minister Absent From The House

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 363

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mrs. Thompson .

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Minister's Statement 54-13(3): Status Of Women Council Of The Northwest Territories

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 363

Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's nice to have you back. Mr. Speaker, as you are aware, the Status of Women Council is an agency of this government and has a legislated mandate to work towards the equality of all women in the NWT. It provides advice to the GNWT, conducts research, public education, and advocacy on behalf of women. It also provides assistance to women's groups.

Through its community worker, the council has helped community groups in every constituency and almost every community. Workshops requested by communities have included board development, self-esteem, effective parenting, family violence and sexual assault, women's health issues and child sexual abuse.

In the past five years, the council has been able to access an increasing number of dollars from funding programs outside the NWT, to add to the core funding provided by this government. Last year, for each dollar of core funding, it raised an additional dollar for programs and projects to benefit women, children and families.

This does not include the additional funding obtained by community groups as a result of council assistance, including research and proposal writing. In the past five years, the council has done research, lobbying, public education and a wide range of practical initiatives in the following areas: family violence, justice, individual and community wellness, child care, education and employment, the environment and community development.

Mr. Speaker, I'm pleased to advise you that the six-member Status of Women Council board was in Yellowknife last week for three intensive days of strategic planning for the next three years. It developed a vision that equality is based on healthy families and communities where women's traditional role as nurturers, advisors and teachers is respected and recognized as a valuable resource to all members of the community.

The Status of Women Council's vision recognizes the need for communities, families and women to be united and to work together. If this happens, we will have a healthy, productive northern society which respects everyone's differences.

The council will now begin developing a detailed workplan to set priorities and outline the next steps to realize its vision. This will be done through developing practical initiatives in four key areas: education and training; wellness, with a focus on prevention health and treatment; community and individual empowerment; and, women in leadership.

Some initiatives the council intends to work on include developing community-based resources, facilities and peer counsellors to support community wellness initiatives; developing economic initiatives for both the council and northern women; designing initiatives to encourage women to become leaders in business, government and politics; and, expanding on past initiatives in community wellness, family violence and sexual assault, alcohol and drugs, education on equality, child care, western NWT political development and justice.

The Status of Women Council recognizes that it can be both a resource and an ally through creative and cooperative partnerships with businesses, government, aboriginal women's and community organizations.

Mr. Speaker, I command the council, its board and staff for their hard work to date, and I encourage this Assembly's support for their vision and for their initiatives in the coming year. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--- Applause

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Minister's Statement 54-13(3): Status Of Women Council Of The Northwest Territories

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 364

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mrs. Thompson . Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Consensus Government

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 364

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, over the past few days, I have spent a lot of time soul-searching for the elusive answer to a most-important question. Mr. Speaker, when the fogshrouded veil was lifted, the answer appeared to me like a thunderbolt from the mighty hand of Thor. When you bring a collective of 24 people together without a party structure, allegiances are made from common ground or geography. This appears to be the case in this Assembly. I have no problems with this, Mr. Speaker, but sometimes the Borg collective takes over.

Mr. Speaker, the Borg collective controls the thought patterns and sometimes interrupts independent thought practices. I've been trying to resist the Borg collective but, Mr. Speaker, because of Thor's thunderbolt, I can see now that in some cases the Borg collective is not necessarily a bad thing.

--- Laughter

Mr. Speaker, consensus government allows independence of thought and ideas. Although the collective is at work, I think that this has been evident this past week. 1, for one, am thankful for this. Qujannamiik, Uqaqtii.

--- Applause

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Consensus Government

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 364

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Picco . Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Mackenzie River System

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 364

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Here in the North, there is water everywhere. In the West, we all live in the Mackenzie River Basin. Most of us take our rivers and lakes for granted. They provide us with wetlands for our birds and mammals. We use the rivers for transportation and generating electricity. As northern students know, there is a thriving aquatic ecosystem in our waters; our own version of the circle of life.

Unfortunately, the time has come where we can't take our river system for granted. There are too many threats to it. For example, information just released on the impact of climate change on the northern environment along the Mackenzie River Basin, indicates that apparently over the past 30 years, the average temperature in our part of the world has gone up three degrees; the highest in Canada. This may seem insignificant or even a bonus given our seven or eight months of winter along the Mackenzie.

However, scientists have proven that this increase along with increased average wind speeds, means the water in our lakes and rivers is evaporating more quickly than it used to. As a result, we have lost almost one-quarter of the water flowing in our rivers and streams in only 20 years.

The NWT was represented in the study team by Robert McLeod of Yellowknife, Danny MacDonald of Salt River, and Mayor Dennis Bevington from Fort Smith. I'm sure these three individuals did their best to ensure the report will make recommendations which will preserve the quality of our river basin.

People living in the South Slave area are looking forward to the final report. With the river system feeding into the bigger Mackenzie Basin, I'm sure the results will also be of interest to all people living in the Western Arctic.

All indications are that massive development is scheduled for the Peace/Athabasca/Slave system. This includes forestry projects, expansion of tar sands extraction, increased agricultural use and more people living along the rivers.

Mr. Speaker, I seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement.

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Mackenzie River System

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 364

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. The Member for Thebacha is seeking unanimous consent to conclude his statement. Are there any nays? There are no nays. Conclude your statement, Mr. Miltenberger .

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Mackenzie River System

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, and to the Borg collective.

--- Laughter

These developments have serious implications for the Mackenzie Basin. If someone in Alberta or BC is pouring poison into our river, it is eventually going to show up on our doorstep here in the North. In order to protect our water, we need to look carefully at the studies recommendations and move quickly to implement those which will help to preserve this basin for the future use and enjoyment of northern residents.

Mr. Speaker, we need to protect the Mackenzie River system. One of the things that will help us do this is the Mackenzie River Basin master agreement, once it is signed by all parties. Our government, the federal government and Alberta have signed this agreement. However, this government needs to encourage British Columbia, Saskatchewan and the Yukon to endorse the agreement as soon as possible.

Mr. Speaker, the river system will need attention and protection to ensure its future. In the late 1980s, this government took a strong stand against pulp mill pollution. We need to continue to take action, both alone and in conjunction with our neighbours upstream, to ensure the clear, clean territorial lakes and rivers we rely on will be there for us in the years to come. Thank you.

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Mackenzie River System

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 365

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Miltenberger . Item 3, Members' statement. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Todd .

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Further Return To Question 179-13(3): Transfer Of Occupational Health And Safety To Wcb

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 365

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Ootes on May 7th, with respect to the transfer of occupational health and safety to WCB.

Fines imposed by the inspectors under the Explosives Use Act, the Mine Health and Safety Act and the Safety Act shall, when collected, be paid over to the Workers' Compensation Board and form part of the accident fund established under the Workers' Compensation Act.

The revenue from these penalties will not come back to the Government of the Northwest Territories. Thank you.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 365

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Les Clegg, a very long-time employee of the Government of the Northwest Territories.

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 365

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. That was easy. Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Question 221-13(3): Final Report On Affirmative Action Review

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 365

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the FMBS. Could the Minister indicate to this House when the final report on the affirmative action review will be tabled in this house? Something we've all been waiting for with bated breath. Thank you.

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Question 221-13(3): Final Report On Affirmative Action Review

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 365

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Minister responsible for the Financial Management Board , Mr. Todd .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe I had indicated earlier, in our last sitting, that we are endeavouring to table this very important affirmative action report during this session. I believe that's still our objective. I will check with my deputy minister on this issue, and try to ensure that this important report and study is tabled before the end of this session. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is to the Minister of Health and Social Services . Mr. Speaker, I'm referring to a document we received today from the Yellowknife Women's Centre. This letter stated that their organization received five complaints from Inuit and aboriginal and Metis people who have been denied social assistance or income support over a three-month period since they returned to their place of birth. Would the Minister inform this House as to his knowledge, if any, of these allegations and whether or not residents born in the Northwest Territories have to put up with this type of treatment? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe the question is in respect to social assistance. As such, the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment is responsible for income reform. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Could I ask that the question be repeated, please?

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. O'Brien , please clarify your question.

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Question 222-13(3): Rejection Of Social Assistance Applications

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 365

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am referring to a document received today from the Yellowknife Women's Centre. The letter states that the organization has received five complaints from Inuit, aboriginal and Metis people who have been denied social assistance or income support over a three-month period, since their return to their place of birth in the North. Would the Minister inform this House as to his knowledge, if any, of these allegations or whether or not residents born in the NWT have to put up with this treatment. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not aware of the individual circumstances the Member is referring to. I can advise that a person is not considered a resident just because they were born in the Territories. A person changes their residence when their leave the Territories and, if they choose to come back to the Territories, they must establish residence before they are

qualified to receive support from the income support program.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Can the Minister inform this House as to the time frame? That individual has left the North and has returned. What is the time frame before they can receive benefits?

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, typically, proof of residence is acquired through an NWT health care card or through the demonstration that a person has a job here. That doesn't mean that people are out on the street if they can't demonstrate those things. The department is very careful to make sure that nobody is going hungry or being forced to sleep on the street, but full services of the department are available only to residents, as it says in our regulations.

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Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. O'Brien .

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the document I am referring to is addressed to all MLAs. I would ask if the Minister would review the document when he has an opportunity and report back to the House as to their concerns and questions regarding this matter. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have not yet received a copy of the letter the Member refers to. Upon receiving it, I will respond to it as I do to all letters that come to my attention.

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Question 223-13(3): Review Of Rents Charged In NWT Elders' Facilities

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 366

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yesterday, in a Member's statement and last week I asked the Minister of Health about the increase to board and lodging charged to our senior citizens. Mr. Speaker, we all realize that the government has major deficit problems, but surely the increasing board and lodging for our elders to fight the deficit ... My question to the Minister is will he review the

increases to ensure that our elders are not being singled out or put in hardship. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in responding to this question in the past, I have said that as it stands now, the standardized rates were brought into place to even off the different rates between level 1/11 and level III/IV clients. As it stands now, unless there are some serious problems as a result of these rates, they will stand. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I have an elders' facility in my community. We have some very serious concerns with it. Not only is it in my community, but it is a regional centre. How much does the government project as revenue or cost-savings by increasing board and lodging amounts?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, based on the June 1 st implementation date, the expected net gain for the Government of the Northwest Territories would be approximately $400,000. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, that sounds like a considerable sum. How many elders do we have staying in these types of facilities where the increases are being implemented?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. We have approximately 195 individuals staying in our facilities which would be impacted by the standardized rates. Of those, Mr. Speaker, 106 are in current level [[[/IV designations, where their rates would be decreased; and 89 are in the level 11 classification, in which their rates would be increased. Thank you.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, I am not Albert Einstein. Sometimes I do have trouble adding, but I can see from the number -- that $400,000 -- and the numbers given by the Minister for an increase seems to be out of whack; the stated increase of revenue of $400,000. Can the Minister inform me what the formula used was to base this increase of the board and lodging?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, again, in answering the question, these rates were based on taking the lowest averages of other jurisdictions within Canada to come up with a reasonable rate that is still below the Canadian average. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 224-13(3): Inclusion Of Summer Students In Collective Agreement

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 367

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of FMBS. This is to follow up on my question yesterday on student employment. I could not find any reference to the word 'student" in my copy of the collective agreement. I wonder if the Minister might be able to tell me why the students fall under the collective agreement when they are hired by the GNWT for the summer only.

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Samuel Gargan

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. All casual employment, whether it is summer students or otherwise, falls under the terms of reference of the bargaining unit representing the employment with respect to the Public Service Act.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I wonder if it could be considered by the Minister to develop a separate process by which they could be employed, specifically identifying summer employment for students so we can set a constant rate. I wonder if the Minister could answer my question if it is possible to set up a system whereby we could strictly identify summer employment for students.

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I tried to say yesterday, and perhaps wasn't as explicit as I should have been, we proposed a specific system. In the last round of bargaining with the union with respect to student employment, we believed that we could get a reasonable rate and be able to expand the employment opportunities. This was rejected by the union. Unfortunately, it wasn't incorporated into the current contract that is out for ratification. It is my understanding that anyone who is a public servant and not excluded, the rates of pay must be negotiated within the union.

So it would be difficult, even though we would like to move forward on a separate rate of pay for students -- I believe my colleague is of a similar mind as I am -- to ensure that more students get recruited. It would be difficult, given the way our bargaining organization is set up. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I can appreciate the Minister's answer on that. Yesterday, I also made reference to the fact that the federal government was providing a summer employment program through the federal government. Is the territorial government going to be a beneficiary of that program whereby we can get funds from the federal government to hire summer students?

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My colleague, Mr. Dent , who has the lead on this issue, has advised me that there is a meeting set up tomorrow with the appropriate parties to determine what, if any, assistance the federal government, under this program, is prepared to provide this government. I suggest that later on this week may be an appropriate time to raise that question with the Minister after he has met with his counterparts tomorrow. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Minister of MACA . It is in relation to the recently announced operational evaluation on the city of Yellowknife.

Section 189 of the Cities, Towns and Villages Act requires that an operational evaluation be undertaken on an annual basis. It is my understanding that the department has not undertaken such an evaluation since October 1991. Would the Minister please clarify what the driving force is for the review being done at this time?

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mrs. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The city and the department agreed that there is now an opportunity to undertake a focused evaluation. The department has not done a comprehensive evaluation with the city of Yellowknife since 1991. In 1993 and 1994, the department did review and follow up on the compliance recommendation of the comprehensive evaluation as required annually under the Cities, Towns and Villages Act. These annual inspections do confirm that the city has implemented recommendations in a comprehensive evaluation. The department's practice has been to undertake a comprehensive evaluation of municipalities every three years and a routine inspection in the intervening years.

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Samuel Gargan

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As the Minister is no doubt aware, there is ongoing litigation between the city of Yellowknife and the Yellowknife Ratepayers' Association concerning the legality of the alderman's briefings. Will the alderman's briefings be part of the review that is being done?

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Government of the Northwest Territories is facing a serious fiscal problem, as is the rest of Canada. I understand that the city of Yellowknife has at least one international award for its outstanding operations. It is a sophisticated municipality. I would like to know if the Minister truly feels that such an evaluation is the best use of the government's scarce resources.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would first like to congratulate the city of Yellowknife for having received an international award for its outstanding operation. Evaluations are very important to me. They are a two-way process that provides invaluable feedback between the territorial and community governments to

strengthen the partnership between the two levels of government for the betterment of the community residents who are served by them.

The evaluation process has increased and become an important development tool to assess and increase community capacity through training and development. It is an opportunity for communities to receive guidance and advise and identify issues facing them and their training requirements. I feel that it is a very valuable tool and it is very important to me. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation. In my Member's statement, I stated that water is the life-blood for the Northwest Territories, especially in the West with the river systems. There is a significant diminishment. In fact, by some standards, it would be considered huge. One of the first things that comes to mind is power. Could the Minister indicate the effect of such a loss of water resources and water levels on the Power Corporation and the anticipation of the loss of those resources? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Page 368

Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we have, particularly in the area served by the Snare hydro system, seen the effects of increased loss of water. We are hopeful that this is just a cyclic type of event and that it isn't necessarily an ongoing problem. To date, there hasn't been a similar problem in the Taltson system. As I said earlier when asked by the Member for Yellowknife Centre about the low-water issue for the Snare system, we won't know until the end of June exactly what the results of the run-off have been.

The amount of moisture that was in the snow that fell over the winter was, on average, the same as what we have seen in the past 18 years. So the amount of moisture that came down over the winter was about average. It will now remain to be seen how much of that winds up in the reservoirs.

There have been occasions in the past number of years, Mr. Speaker, where in spite of having a good snowfall over the winter, the evaporation has been so heavy that there has been very little of the moisture that winds up in the reservoirs. At this point in time, I don't foresee any change to rates as a result of low water. It is only in the Snare system so far that we have seen any indication of problems in the past. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you.

Miltenberger.

Supplementary, Mr.

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Page 369

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister indicated that he hoped the low water was cyclical and there would be some sort of resurgence. Indications are that the water level has dropped over the last 30 years, due to the increase of evaporation and temperature increases. Is the Minister working on any kind of continency plans on the off chance or the high probability that, if that isn't cyclical, we have a trend that is going to go more of a linear approach?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I said in the Taltson system, we haven't noticed an effect at this point in time. In the Snare system, we went in 1991 from the highest water level on record to what we were faced with last year; the lowest water level on record. So it is too short a period of time to assess whether or not this is something that is ongoing. We will have to watch and see what happens over the next few years. In terms of a contingency plan, we don't have any plans to hire an aircraft to seed clouds, if that is what the Member is wondering about. We are going to wait for awhile to make sure this isn't just a cyclic occurrence.

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Possibly the CANSOs, if they could fly that high, will be used to seed clouds if the Minister is looking for aircraft that are going to be available. My follow-up question to the Minister is will the northern basin study be reviewed by yourself and your officials, and the recommendations that are going to be contained therein, to see if there's any possible benefit to be gained from the millions of dollars that have been spent and the recommendations that are made? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think the Member is absolutely right, that a CANSO couldn't get high enough to do the cloud-seeding job. Yes, we are always going to watch the recommendations that come out from a body such as the one that's looking at our northern rivers. And, yes, we will take a look at the advice they provide and make sure that we are looking ahead for whatever the eventuality might be, as much as possible. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 227-13(3): Review Of Rents Charged In Elders' Facilities

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 369

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question today is to the Minister of Health and Social Services, and following along Mr. Picco 's questions about the rates charged to seniors in care facilities in the Northwest Territories. I also have a multi-level care facility for seniors in Hay River and I attend the meetings of the Hay River Seniors' Society as often as I can. It was my impression, from attending one of those meetings, that the seniors, at least in Hay River and perhaps the NWT Seniors' Society, had considered the issue of these rates.

I was wondering if the Minister had ever received any formal correspondence, either from the Hay River seniors or the NWT Seniors' Society, with respect to the amendments to the rate. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. To my recollection, I don't personally recall receiving correspondence on the matter. However, I am aware that departmental officials did have consultations with the seniors' organizations over the course of developing these rate changes. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 228-13(3): Status Of Water/sewer Subsidy Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 369

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of MACA . We've heard many things about the changes that are happening, and I would just like to know what the department is doing with the water/sewer subsidy. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mrs. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The water and sewage program has been worked on. Once the communities are able to operate these on their own, they were able to get their funding as of April 1st. Those that are not yet ready to take on this program will have three months to try and take on this program. That's what we have planned. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At the end of the three months, if the communities aren't ready, what will happen then? Thank you.

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. After three months, if the communities are not yet ready to take on this responsibility, my officials would be able to give workshops on how to take on this program. That's what will be happening if they're not yet ready to take on that responsibility after three months. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. O'Brien .

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Question 229-13(3): Privatization Of NWT Power

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Samuel Gargan

Corporation

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Question 229-13(3): Privatization Of NWT Power

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 370

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation. Mr. Speaker, during a briefing meeting held for the Government Operations committee a few months ago, the Minister indicated that there was no intention to privatize the corporation at this time. Can the Minister advise this House whether or not this status has changed? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Mr. Speaker, there has been no change at this point in time.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister advise this House whether there has been any consideration given to this to make this change in the term of this Assembly?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I think that we've made it clear to Members of this Assembly, in general, that we're going to look at all of the options that are out there. It is something that this Assembly could decide to take a look at during the life of the Assembly, but it would be premature for me to say that it's something that's on the agenda right now. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister advise this House whether or not there have

been any detailed discussions regarding this issue over the past few months? Thank you.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have been asked by my Cabinet colleagues to take a took at the issue and come back to them with recommendations. We will be taking a look at it some time in the next little while, but there hasn't been any direction given to move either way. We're going to take a look at all the options that are out there and that's one of them. I think before any decision is made, we're going to make sure there would be a balanced discussion on the issue. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 230-13(3):elimination Of French Translator/interpreter Position In Iqaluit

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 370

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, during the review of the main estimates for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, I had asked the Minister to explain the reason why the only French translator/interpreter position has been deleted. Mr. Speaker, this has caused major concern in my riding where, as you know, we have the largest Francophone population in the Territories. Why was the position eliminated?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I believe I answered that question when the Member asked it in the House during Committee of the Whole; at which time, I said that a position was entirely funded by the federal government and the federal government reduced their funding. The reduction of the position was a direct result of that. At the time, I committed to the Member that I would have the department take a look at where all of the reductions have taken place, and we would get back to him with the rationale and an explanation. And, Mr. Speaker, that will be done. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. If the funding was cut from the federal government, the reallocation of funds within the department would be warranted, I think, before that type of decision was made to maybe have contact with the region. What type of review was done before that decision was made?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I can't answer whether or not there was public consultation done. Since the funding was to pay for positions that the federal government paid for completely, those were the positions that were cut. I will have to check with the department to find out what sort of consultation was done. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 371

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Mr. Speaker, my understanding is that the position was not funded by the federal government. The total money that comes to the NWT government is spread over the Territories as a whole. Will the Minister reallocate funds from his headquarters department to reinstate that position? It's a fair question because the only language services we have are ... There are no French services provided now in Nunavut.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, it's not my intention to mislead this House. The Member is implying that I am and I don't believe that I am. The position was not one that is funded within the department. I have committed that we will take a look at why that position was reduced and we will get back to the Member with the rationale. More than that, I can't do.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 231-13(3): Department Position On Chiropractic Services

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 371

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services . Given the Minister's characterization in the House the other day of the wide spectrum of opinion of chiropractic services, would the Minister indicate to the House at which end of the spectrum the department is leading towards in terms of responding to the issue of chiropractic services? Is it a serious effort or one that is not quite as serious? Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Health and Social Services , Mr. Ng .

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think that chiropractic services are a valuable service to a lot of individuals who believe in them. Certainly, they contribute to the overall well-being of a person's health, if you're inclined to support that type of rationale. That's the direction that we're leaning towards right now, Mr. Speaker. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In light of that comment and given the Minister's indication that the department is looking at the issue of chiropractic services, could he attach any kind of time frame as to what a considered look will entail?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, I haven't attached a specific time frame to that because of the heavy agenda that we have within the department, meeting the requirements of committees, meeting the requirements of this House, meeting the requirements of priority legislation that is already in the works. At this time, I would like to advise all honourable Members of this House that I have recognized the issue of chiropractic services. It's just a matter of the timing of trying to put something together to address that issue. Thank you.

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Question 232-13(3): Meeting With Federal Finance Minister Re Division Expenses

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 371

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Finance . Can the Minister confirm whether or not a date has been set for discussions with the federal Minister of Finance regarding the gross expenditure situation as it relates to division?

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. No, I can't confirm at this time when Mr. Martin will be available to meet with me on this important issue. What I can say is we are working daily to fit into whatever

schedule Mr. Martin has. We have indicated to his office that we'll meet with him, whenever, wherever and however, as quickly as possible. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 233-13(3): Shortage Of Office Space For Arctic Bay Hamlet Staff

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 372

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question to the Minister of MACA . As we all know, in one of my communities there is a new hamlet office. Some of the offices are inadequate and there are sometimes two people in one office. For example, our mayor has an office in the chambers of the hamlet office. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs , Mrs. Thompson .

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Manitok Thompson

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. During the community transfers to the hamlet councils, during the negotiations they can ask for the office buildings, even if it's not the same building they are in. If there is another office available, then they can negotiate and try to get different offices if they wish. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Question 234-13(3): Employment For Mining Course Graduates

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 372

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Education , Mr. Dent , and it's in reference to a letter sent to him from 12 graduates of the Arctic College mining course. The graduates state that they have not been able to find employment in the mining industry since that course was held, which was in the summer of 1995; one year ago. In the letter, they state that in their judgement, the mines have not lived up to the commitments that they made to the Government of the Northwest Territories. My first question would be if the Minister has had an opportunity to look into this matter. 233

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Samuel Gargan

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Yes, Mr. Speaker, I have received a copy of the letter that the Member is referring to. From what I understand, the information in the letter is a bit incomplete in some cases, I've had my department trying to track down the individual graduates from the courses that have been run and it would appear that not all of them are working. In fact, it would appear that, from the first course, three of the graduates are working in mining; three are continuing their studies in other fields; one is with the Government of the Northwest Territories, and, two are unemployed, as far as I know fight now.

Of course, when they open the mine, they will have the capacity to hire on most of the graduates from the courses. But at this point in time, with them not having an operating mine, of course, the potential is not as great as what might otherwise be the case. But it would appear that other operating mines have not picked up the grads, other than Treminco and the new Discovery Mine. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

I wonder if the Minister could continue to look at this and perhaps also see, first of all, if the course is adequate and meeting the mining companies' needs or, conversely, if there's some reason why the mining company might not be interested in pursuing employment of people.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, when I met with BHP, they assured me that the course had been set up in full consultation with them and that they did, in fact, think that the course was properly designed to prepare people to work at their mine. I suppose that may mean that it may not meet the needs of other mining companies. BHP has provided significant resources by taking graduates up to Koala camp for a two-week period on the completion of their courses and allowing them an opportunity to find out what life is like in a camp.

I think that the Member can count on me staying in close contact with companies that have the potential of hiring northerners to ensure that we are preparing northerners for jobs when those mines open. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Yes, I think it's ultimately important for us to continue to develop these courses because there is no doubt in my mind that mining is going to continue to boom and develop here in the Territories. I just wonder if the Minister could apprise me if this particular course is going to be conducted again or if this was a one-time course.

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. In the budget that the House has just considered, I believe we have funds in there for the course to run four more times, so that would be in this current year. As well as that, the community business group put together by BHP will also be

running courses in Kugluktuk and in Hay River. The courses that the college will be running will generally be in the Dogrib communities. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Ootes .

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a program that's called "community mobilization partnership and job development strategy," and I wonder if the college is working in conjunction with this organization or this strategy.

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Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I believe the Member is referring to the community business group that I was talking about running the course in Kugluktuk and in Hay River. I have met with the people involved in that course, and they are working with the college. I think what we are endeavouring to do is make sure that there is a dialogue between all people involved in providing training in the North. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Item 6, oral questions. Mr. Roland .

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Question 235-13(3): Status Of Nwtta Bargaining Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 373

Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct a question to the Minister of Finance . A while ago, I asked for an update on the progress of the NWTTA negotiations. I wonder if there is anything further on that. Could the Minister update the House?

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Samuel Gargan

The Minister of Finance , Mr. Todd .

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John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My understanding is that the two parties will be getting together later next week to exchange positions and to move forward, hopefully, on reaching an arrangement for a collective agreement. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On those negotiations, seeing as the school year is nearly coming to an end now in many parts of the Territories, I have some concerned constituents. On the

section in the agreement on ultimate removal, can the Minister inform us if that's on the table?

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