Debates of March 3rd, 2020

This is page numbers 437 - 482 of the Hansard for the 19th Assembly, 2nd Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

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Topics

Oral Questions

Members Present

Prayer

Promoting Importance of Oral Health

Trades Apprenticeships

Northwest Territories Housing Corporation Policy on Rent Scales

Whati Housing Plan

Affirmative Action Policy

Health System Navigator

Regulatory Change to Improve Preventative Oral Health

Implementation and Promotion of Environmental Rights Act

Indigenous Languages Promotion and Revitalization

Ms. Green's Reply

Trades Apprenticeships

Rent Scale Policy Review

Anti-Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation (SLAPP) Legislation

Process Convention

Affirmative Action Policy

Promoting Indigenous Official Languages

Oral Health Report

Arnica Inn Transitional Housing Project

Review of Rent Scale Policy on Income Verification

Full-time Psychologist for Children and Youth for Treatment Centre

Written Question 6-19(2): Educational Facilities

Tabled Document 47-19(2): "Our Ever Awesome NWT Brushing Song!" Book by Richard Van Camp and Neiva Mateus

Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Tabled Document 30-19(2): Main Estimates 2020-2021 - Justice - Deferral of Further Consideration of the Estimates for the Department of Justice

Tabled Document 30-19(2): Main Estimates 2020-2021 - Education, Culture and Employment - Deferral of Further Consideration of the Estimates for the Department of Education, Culture and Employment, carried

Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Hon. Frederick Blake Jr, Mr. Bonnetrouge , Hon. Paulie Chinna , Ms. Cleveland , Hon. Caroline Cochrane , Ms. Green , Mr. Jacobson , Mr. Johnson , Mr. Lafferty , Ms. Martselos , Hon. Katrina Nokleby , Mr. Norn , Mr. O'Reilly , Ms. Semmler , Hon. R.J. Simpson , Mr. Rocky Simpson , Hon. Diane Thom, Hon. Shane Thompson , Hon. Caroline Wawzonek

The House met at 1:30 p.m.

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Prayer

Prayer

Page 437

The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Item 2, Ministers' statements. Minister for Health and Social Services .

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Minister's Statement 28-19(2): Promoting Importance of Oral Health

Ministers' Statements

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Madam Speaker, good oral health is important to our overall health and quality of life. Healthy mouths and teeth in children promote healthy growth, nutrition, speech development, good school performance, and social well-being. Cavities, however, are the most common chronic infectious childhood disease, and they place a substantial burden on our population. Poor oral health contributes to a child's inability to eat, speak, sleep, and learn. In adults, oral disease has been linked to diabetes, heart disease, pneumonia, and Alzheimer's.

Madam Speaker, it is important to note that, while dental treatment services are not an insured service paid for by the Northwest Territories Healthcare Plan, our government is working to reduce oral disease among children and youth through the Oral Health Action Plan released in October 2018. This plan outlines four key areas of action to improve oral health outcomes to promote oral health throughout the entire Northwest Territories population; to establish systematic supports for improved oral health services; to implement the Northwest Territories Oral Health Service Delivery Model; and to provide high quality, sustainable, and culturally-safe care.

Some highlights of what has been done since the release of the action plan include the addition of a registered dental hygienist in Norman Wells and the rollout of daily brushing programs in daycares and schools in our communities. There have also been investments in dental equipment across the Northwest Territories by the federal government to

support the delivery of dental services in communities where there are no established dental clinics. As part of this action plan, front-line primary healthcare providers have begun to integrate oral health screening and education for children and expectant mothers during prenatal and Well Child Record appointments, as well.

The Department of Health and Social Services and health authorities are also collaborating with community partners to deliver a multi-age group oral health literacy program. This program will feature arts-based learning in schools and at community gatherings. Finally, a territory-wide oral health social marketing campaign will be launched this spring to encourage better oral health self-care to promote oral health outcomes in the NWT.

Madam Speaker, research shows that starting good oral health practices in early childhood will ensure that children will continue to practice brushing and flossing as part of their daily routine. This is why we partnered with the Northwest Territories Literacy Council to provide parents with a brushing song book that they can sing along with their children aged one to four.

Our Ever Awesome NWT Brushing Song book, which I will table later today, was illustrated by Neiva Mateus and written by Tlicho Dene author Richard Van Camp. Funding was provided by the federal governments' Children's Oral Health Initiative. The aim of this book is to provide parents with a resource that makes brushing and flossing with their children something that is a fun, daily, family activity. The brushing song book also promotes the importance of snuggling, reading to one another, and sharing time with each other. It honours the gift of family by looking after their health and spending time together.

Over the months of March and April, Richard Van Camp will be touring communities in the Northwest Territories to raise awareness about the book and the importance of oral health. The book will be translated into all the NWT official Indigenous languages, and the audio files for the song will be made available on the department's website. An animated storyboard promoting oral health for older children is also being produced in all the NWT official languages. We are looking forward to the first screening of this original media project later this summer.

Madam Speaker, oral health is an important part of our overall health. This book is one of many resources that we will be developing for parents and caregivers to help them teach good oral health practices to their children. I want to thank Richard Van Camp, Neiva Mateus, and the NWT Literacy Council for partnering with us to raise awareness about good oral health.

I encourage all parents to embrace the idea of fun-filled brushing and flossing time with their children, and encourage everyone to give oral health the time and respect it deserves as an important part of overall health and wellbeing. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Minister's Statement 28-19(2): Promoting Importance of Oral Health

Ministers' Statements

Page 437

The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Member for Hay River South .

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Trades Apprenticeships

Members' Statements

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I want to talk about the trades and, more specifically, apprenticeships. With an aging workforce and people leaving the trades, the demand and competition for skilled trades workers will only increase. I see this currently happening not only in Hay River, but throughout the NWT.

In the digital age, the ways we work, communicate, and utilize technology are changing at a swift pace. The use of high-tech equipment in different sectors of the economy requires that trades workers possess strong essential skills in literacy and mathematics. This change in technology is becoming increasingly noticeable in our communities, which are receiving energy-efficient homes, state-of-the-art water and sewer treatment plants, solar options for power; all those are associated with high-tech equipment requiring technical expertise to maintain and operate.

Madam Speaker, in the Northwest Territories, we have many workers who, over time, have gained a wealth of experience in the trades. The problem is that the opportunity for work in the NWT is sporadic and, in many instances, short-term or seasonal, the result of employers not willing to undertake the effort, cost, and time it takes to recruit, train, and develop apprentices. The consequence is that the employee does not receive the recognition for the hours of work and training they received while on the job.

Furthermore, today's employers are expected to be social workers, psychologists, therapists, counsellors, and bankers for its employees, which all results in added costs to the bottom line. Today's apprentices need more than on-the-job and technical skills. They require skills that include judgment, common sense, adaptability, initiative, dependability, responsibility, attitude, and safety consciousness.

The question is: how are we going to replace the aging workforce when we have all this going on? There is no easy answer, but we can start by providing access to a quality education for our residents. We can strive to develop a sustainable economy that promotes full-time employment opportunities. We must recognize that the mindset of the workforce is changing, and we must adapt to that change. We must reconsider legislation that impedes business through red tape. We must provide support to our small businesses as they are most often ground zero for those looking to enter the trades.

Madam Speaker, the trades can provide exciting and rewarding careers in terms of challenges and financial return, and I strongly encourage our youth to seriously look at this as a career choice. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Members' Statements

Page 437

The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you. Member for Hay River South . Members' statements. Member for Nunakput .

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Northwest Territories Housing Corporation Policy on Rent Scales

Members' Statements

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today, I want to bring up, again, proof of income in Housing Corporation policies. A few weeks ago, I raised a concern of the corporation's practice of using T4 slips, Madam Speaker. This results in public housing clients being assessed at a much higher level than the rent scale where they should be. That's because the T4 slips show the income from the previous year, not from where they are currently. This is causing unnecessary stress to the public clients in Nunakput and across our territory. I'm trying to help them, Madam Speaker.

I need the Minister responsible for NWT Housing Corporation to listen to their concerns to show leadership that's needed to fix this problem. I have looked back in Hansard. I am not satisfied with the answers the Minister gave me, so I am going to ask these questions again today in the simplest language possible.

First, I want to see the Housing Corporation's policy manual. It should be available online. They call it "public policy" for a reason, Madam Speaker. It's not just a guide for LHOs to let the public know what to expect paying their monthly rent, so I'm giving the Minister a heads-up today. My first question will be: will the Minister be able to table the policy that says the LHOs must use T4 slips to determine income of the public housing clients?

The second question is going to be: will the Minister commit to ensuring that the policy, and all Housing Corporation policies, are posted on their website, ASAP; and finally, will the Minister commit to making a policy more flexible so that other documents can be used as proof of income, Madam Speaker? I'm still hopeful for this Minister and her corporation, but if we don't get today, I will be looking to move a motion in this House to direct the Minister to amend the policy that requires T4 slips as proof of income. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Nunakput . Members' statements. Member for Monfwi .

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Whati Housing Plan

Members' Statements

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Masi, Madam Speaker. Today, I'd like to speak about the Whati housing plan. Madam Speaker, the Minister of Northwest Territories Housing Corporation proudly announced early to mid-December that Whati was the first community in our territory to complete their housing plan. Being the Member of the Monfwi constituency, I was indeed proud of the community of Whati. I then heard through the grapevine that a big celebration was scheduled for Whati on December 17, 2019. I checked with the Minister's office. Sure enough, a celebration was indeed scheduled, and I was not notified about it.

By that time, I had already committed to being at another important event on the same day, so unfortunately, I was therefore not able to attend the celebration.

Thankfully, after contacting the Minister's office, I received a letter from the Minister expressing her apologies for not informing myself in a timely manner about the celebration. Madam Speaker, she ended with "Again, I regret that I was not able to speak about this with you directly. I look forward to collaborating with you for the betterment of the residents of Monfwi." That was her statement back then.

Madam Speaker, the mentioned housing plan was finished in December 2019. The community received the actual plan and approved it in early February. On February 11 th , I requested a copy of the plan. The Minister responded on the 19 th that the plan would be available online on the 20 th . She also mentioned that a printed copy would be made available to my office on the 21 st of February. My office followed up with an e-mail on February 25 th , and we did not get a response.

Madam Speaker, we are now into the first week of March, and I still have not received a copy of the housing plan, and it is still not available online. These are the questions I will definitely have for the Minister of the Housing Corporation at a later time. Masi, Madam Speaker.

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Whati Housing Plan

Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Monfwi . Members' statements. Member for Thebacha .

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Affirmative Action Policy

Members' Statements

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

Madam Speaker, I want to revisit the issue of the Government of the Northwest Territories Affirmative Action Policy once again, because, as I see it, this policy is not serving the people of Fort Smith or the people of the NWT. The e-mail that I received from the finance Minister on February 27, 2020, is a typical government explanation, and I do not accept a response like that from a Minister. When an MLA asks for a response in confidence, I expect a more personal and detailed response.

Madam Speaker, I strongly feel that the Affirmative Action Policy across the NWT, including the riding of Thebacha, is not transparent or accountable. I have attended many meetings across the territory over my 10-plus years of leadership, with multiple levels of government, and the issue of affirmative action has always come up numerous times in a negative way.

Madam Speaker, many people have approached me about how this process is not benefitting Northerners, especially those P1s and P2s within the policy. If the Minister truly feels she wants to make a difference as a Minister of human resources, she has an opportunity to change the direction of the Government of the Northwest Territories Affirmative Action Policy as intended.

Madam Speaker, we need to develop guidelines and criteria that the human resources department must follow, without interference from favouritism, and must be based on qualifications, must be indigenous to the North, and northern-born residents must be considered. It is not to be based on friendship, personal preferences, and not who you know, and not what you know.

Madam Speaker, change must take place with the Affirmative Action Policy immediately. No more direct appointments that end up excluding all candidates that would like to apply for any position. It is crucial that the hiring policies of the Government of the Northwest Territories must be objective, fair, and the best possible candidate must be hired. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Thebacha . Members' statements. Member for Yellowknife North .

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Health System Navigator

Members' Statements

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Rylund Johnson

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We spend a lot of time in this House criticizing GNWT practices, trying to right the wrongs of the past, and hold the government to account. Today, I would like to focus on an initiative that has been performing exceptionally well in our government, based on my experience. One of the most helpful tools the Department of Health and Social Services has is its system navigator.

The system assists residents with enquiries in the various sectors of the department. It directs residents down the right path depending on their individual needs, both frees up resources within the department and delivers a higher level of service to residents, whether it's accessing non-insured health benefits, seniors' services, or using medical travel for the first time. Instead of being sent through a maze of e-mail chains and phone calls, you're one e-mail or call away from the answers you're looking for.

Madam Speaker, the health system navigator has helped numerous constituents of mine. It has been very helpful to my constituency assistant, and Madam Speaker, the goal in the long term is to not have our processes be so complicated that we have a navigator, but that's not the world we presently live in. There has been a lot of talk in this House lately about discussing personnel issues. I usually would not do this, but I would really like to commend the current Health and Social Services net navigator, Shoshanna Caneul-Kirkwood, on behalf of myself and all my constituents. I thank you for all the work you have done in ensuring that this process runs smoothly. Thank you, Shoshanna.

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Health System Navigator

Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North . Members' statements. Member for Kam Lake .

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Regulatory Change to Improve Preventative Oral Health

Members' Statements

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. A couple of weeks ago, we heard from the Member for Inuvik Twin Lakes about the importance of oral health. I share her concerns and believe that the Department of Health and Social Services could be doing more to support good oral health and the prevention of oral diseases.

We live in a unique part of the world with unique needs. In our remote communities, access to regular dental care is not consistent, and treatment is not timely or immediate. Accessing treatment is complicated by the fact that dental services are not insured medical services under the Canada Health Act. Depending on an NWT resident's ancestry, their funding for dental care comes from different funding pots. For example, Inuit persons may have access to services through the Children's Oral Health Initiative and funding through the Non-Insured Health Benefits Program or their Inuit self-government agreement.

Unfortunately, not every community has access to dental services, and not everyone can access preventative care. If a dentist travels to a remote community and needs to choose between a preventative dental cleaning or a dental emergency like a root canal, the emergency will always take priority. Prevention programs in small communities are virtually nonexistent because of funding restrictions and lack of access to community-based dental professionals.

One of the key objectives of the GNWT's oral health strategy calls for establishing systemic supports for improved oral health services, including improving the regulatory environment. This is one of the areas where I feel strongly that the GNWT must reconsider its policy position. The Dental Auxiliaries Act stipulates that no dental hygienist shall practice dental hygiene except under the direction and control of a dentist.

Nurses work in our small, remote communities without doctors. Preventative healthcare professionals like chiropractors and massage therapists are free to work under professional accreditation, using their professional discretion to provide services to NWT residents. Given the huge demand for oral health practitioners and the known fact that prevention saves future burdens on our healthcare system, why are we not allowing dental hygienists to provide preventative oral healthcare without the oversight of a dentist?

Madam Speaker, the GNWT's oral health strategy is meant to be in place until the end of the 2021 fiscal year. With this in mind, I believe it is timely for the department to provide a progress report to this House on the work completed to date. I would also appreciate the Minister's support for changing the legislation, to allow dental hygienists to provide oral healthcare without a dentist's oversight, a win for both the final

chapter of this strategy and the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake . Members' statements. Member for Frame Lake .

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Implementation and Promotion of Environmental Rights Act

Members' Statements

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Madame la Presidente. The original Environmental Rights Act was passed as a private Member's bill by the Assembly in 1990. That legislation went through its first and only review in the last Assembly. There have been only four requests under the act in 30 years, so it's obviously not very well used or promoted. Of the four requests filed, there has only ever been one investigation actually carried out.

Unfortunately, the new Environmental Rights Act only made some minor improvements to what was already in place. The basis for investigations was extended to include acts of omission, but there is now a significant harm test; you have to show that something has significant effects on the environment before an investigation or a court action might be permitted. There is to be a state of the environment report and a statement of environmental values. Those are improvements, but it's not a rights-based approach.

What was promised were things like an environmental registry, a method for the public to propose policies, programs, agreements, initiatives, and a period for public comment on those items, and, in some cases, even a response required from the department. There was to be a definition of the "right to a healthy environment," "public trust" was to be defined, and an obligation placed on our government to basically take care of the environment. There was to be a dispute-resolution mechanism incorporated into the bill, and investigations would initially be carried out by inspectors.

Most of the changes proposed by the committee were incorporated into the bill. Unfortunately, there was never a response to the recommendations from the committee that were approved by this House. Noteworthy recommendations included following:

anti-SLAPP legislation for introduction during the life of the 19 th Legislative Assembly, and I will explain that term a little later;

a registry be created to capture all reporting requirements found in the various environmental and resource management bills, allowing the public a one-window access point to information;

coordination of reporting with other environmental legislation; and

a public awareness campaign around the Environmental Rights Act.

I will have questions later today for the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources on the implementation and promotion of the new Environmental Rights Act. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

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Implementation and Promotion of Environmental Rights Act

Members' Statements

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Frame Lake . Members' statements. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh .

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Indigenous Languages Promotion and Revitalization

Members' Statements

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Steve Norn

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Mahsi cho, Madam Speaker. I want to speak today about the state of our 11 official languages and what I would like to see our government doing to keep these language programs running and alive. Language preservation is important to me. It's an important part of our culture and identity here in the North, and in my opinion, if you do not use it, you lose it.

According to the ECE document, Indigenous Languages Action Plan, it states that GNWT departments should be able to offer improved public services in Indigenous languages. In consultation with some of my constituents, some departments are better at this than others. Departments such as ECE are making a lot of inroads with students in terms of language instruction, and I am very thankful for that. However, other departments, such as ITI, ENR, and Infrastructure, still have some room for improvement.

In addition, Madam Speaker, there are many public hearings, as well, I would like to speak about, and they deal with a lot of legal, medical, and scientific jargon. I feel that we need to have more language

interpretation workshops to help keep our interpreters up to date. I am hoping to see them implemented on a more frequent basis.

Growing up, I was raised by my great-grandparents, and my great-grandfather used to have a little recorder and a dictionary, and he would say words in Chipewyan. For a lot of words, for things like "constitution," there wasn't anything in there. He used to sit there, record it, and then he'd put them in a box. When he passed on, a lot of that language was lost. I wish I could have access to that, but, no, it's gone. Again, I'm hoping we can see some more work like that done in future.

In closing, Madam Speaker, language revitalization is important. Again, if we do not use our language, we will lose it. It's important that we have all of our languages in written form and visible to the public, because, in my opinion, our government is not doing enough of that. However, I am hopeful that we will start doing more work in this House in having our Indigenous languages more visible. I will have questions for the Minister of ECE at the appropriate time. Mahsi cho, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh . Members' statements. Item 4, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 5, replies to the budget address.

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Ms. Green's Reply

Replies To Budget Address

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. I seek your permission to deliver my reply sitting down as I find it difficult to stand in one place for a long time.

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Ms. Green's Reply

Replies To Budget Address

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Yes.

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Ms. Green's Reply

Replies To Budget Address

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Julie Green

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Last Friday, the NWT Bureau of Statistics released more data from its 2019 community survey. This latest report focuses on financial security. As my colleague from Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh said in this House yesterday, the findings are shocking.

Fully one in five NWT households reported that they had trouble paying for their most basic needs, including housing, food, clothing, and transportation. Broken down by age, 2,271 children under 15 years of age are living in or near poverty. This is another shocking number, larger than most communities' populations, yet it's not surprising if you listen to statements by my colleagues that so many households and families are in dire need, and that need is heightened in small and remote communities.

A deeper dive into the report reveals significant detail about food insecurity. Almost a quarter of households say they were "often" or "sometimes" worried about having enough money for food during the previous 12 months. Again, this issue is most pressing in small communities. The place people are most worried about not being able to afford food is K'atlodeeche First Nation, the Hay River Reserve, followed by Wekweeti and Paulatuk.

Madam Speaker, the report also includes a

section on housing insecurity. Across the NWT, 14 percent of households reported they have experienced significant financial difficulty in the previous year because of increases to rent or mortgage payments. That figure is highest in Behchoko, with Inuvik and Yellowknife close behind. As well, the report estimates that 9 percent of households include at least one person who would like to but does not have their own accommodation, and 242 people who said they were homeless at some point in the previous year.

The bottom line is this: a significant number of households, including children, are going hungry at least some of the time, and finding affordable housing and preventing homelessness are chronic problems.

Madam Speaker, this information captured my attention because of my many years of advocacy on poverty in the NWT and also because we just started reviewing a budget that promises the better part of $2 billion in spending. My question is: how can we spend this much money more effectively to meet the needs of residents? In particular, how do we help the one-in-five households living in poverty meet their food and shelter needs? How do we help alleviate the almost constant worry of having to make agonizing trade-offs such as paying the rent at the expense of buying food? Once someone's housing and food needs are met, they can get on with other important aspects of life.

Let me start by reiterating that $2 billion is a lot of money. In fact, spread evenly among the 44,895 of us who live here, it is approximately $45,000 each. It is the highest per capita spending of any province or territory, except Nunavut. Yes, our operating costs are high, but why isn't all this spending doing us more good? Not only with respect to food and housing, but health outcomes, graduation rates, and economic opportunity. How can we help one-fifth of residents who live in poverty to live free from want? Today, I am going to do my own deep dive for answers.

I am going to review our revenue and spending with a focus on what is working, what isn't, and what needs to be assessed to ensure we are getting maximum value for each dollar spent.

Madam Speaker, let's start with revenue. Our largest source of revenue is, of course, the grant from Canada, and it is forecasted to go up in the next year to $1.4 billion. The balance of our budget comes from own-source revenue streams, primarily taxation, and our taxation is focused around individuals. Personal income tax and the payroll tax account for more than half of our annual own-source revenue. Corporate income tax is very unpredictable. It was forecasted to deliver $23 million to the GNWT in this fiscal year, but instead will produce a $12 million shortfall.

Non-renewable resource revenue amounts are also variable. The last budget predicted $46 million, but that figure has now been revised downwards to $39 million. The total is forecasted to drop again in the next fiscal year. We have a stagnant economy that is stable for now because of government spending, but it is not feasible to stay on this path for the life of this Assembly and beyond.

We are almost at our federally imposed debt wall. To make a comparison that is easy to understand, we have almost maxed out our federal credit card. Contrary to the advice I would give someone in this situation, the territorial government wants to increase our capacity to borrow. The question isn't about whether we have the fiscal capacity to handle the extra debt; we do. For me, it is more about how we are going to repay this debt, given our weak revenue. I am also concerned about the speed with which we have been expanding our borrowing capacity.

Madam Speaker, each year, during the budget address, I talk about the need to increase revenue, and I am going to do that again today. The most recent revenue options paper from 2016 lays out several possibilities to raise more money. A tax bracket for high individual income earners would net $2 million a year. A 1 percent increase in the payroll tax would bring in $20 million. A 1 percent increase in corporate tax would yield $5 million.

The revenue options paper dismisses all of these options because they would increase the cost of living, the cost of doing business, and/or generally make the NWT a less desirable place to work and live. There is no evidence presented to support this conclusion. It is instead a Department of Finance mantra and a common talking point for those subtly arguing for austerity.

A report commissioned by the previous Minister of Industry, Tourism and Investment concludes there is "a significant opportunity for the NWT to benefit more from mining." For me, that is a no-brainer. About $30 billion worth of diamonds have been produced in the NWT in the last 20 years. How is it possible, then, that we are at our debt wall and that a fifth of households live below the poverty line? What we need is an open dialogue to look at mining income specifically and revenue generation generally, based on evidence rather than received wisdom.

I am pleased to hear that the Minister of Finance wants to engage all residents on the question of government revenue. This conversation is long overdue.

Madam Speaker, before I turn to spending, I want to look at the options that low-income households have to meet their needs. According to that same report I spoke about at the beginning, residents of small and hub communities are most likely to ask friends and family for money. A significant number also take on debt or sell something of value. Those who live in communities where non-profit organizations offer services use them. These solutions are obviously short-term and easily exhausted. They don't address the root causes of not having enough money to live.

Madam Speaker, someone somewhere is now asking, "Why don't the adults in those low-income families just get a job?" Easier said than done in most places, even if people have skills in demand, someone to care for their children, their health, and transportation to and from work. The overall employment rate in Yellowknife and communities outside the capital is at its lowest point in 10 years. The rate is especially low at just over 50 percent in the small communities. In the 18 th Assembly, we made efforts to increase small community employment by creating a special job fund.

The revised estimates for this fiscal year peg spending at about $5 million, but the budget for the next fiscal year is going down by almost three quarters of a million dollars. This area should be a priority investment for this government. A job is preferable to income assistance, borrowing from family members, or going without for those who are able to work. The other way the government has tried to create employment is through infrastructure investment.

Building the Inuvik to Tuktoyaktuk Highway and the Stanton Territorial Hospital created jobs, but never as many as we hoped for or for as long as we would like. After two or three years, unemployment in the regions goes up again.

Madam Speaker, the most recent disappointment is the road to Whati. I had high hopes for increased employment in the Tlicho region and the positive effects jobs would have on high rates of inadequate housing and hunger in that region, but no. We learned last week that a little less than 50 percent of the workforce is comprised of NWT residents and, of that number, only 35 percent are Tlicho citizens. Further, only 40 percent of the contracts have gone to northern businesses. What are we getting for our $411 million investment in the Tlicho road?

Clearly not enough, at least when it comes to the number and duration of jobs created, and we haven't learned our lesson. It is astonishing to me that our priorities include three more large infrastructure projects that perpetuate the boom-and-bust cycle of employment. I believe we should make greater investments in the economic diversification ideas included in our mandate. My hope is that the regional economic plans will be completed sooner than the current timeline of 2023. Otherwise, we will continue to hemorrhage money, jobs, and opportunity to out-of-territory firms and workers.

Madam Speaker, you might be wondering why I am talking about roads when we are reviewing the operations and maintenance budget. The answer is because our operating budget is designed to generate surpluses, which help pay for our 25 percent share of infrastructure projects; or, if surpluses don't pan out, then we have to increase borrowing. Surpluses, Madam Speaker, are fickle. The Finance Minister of the time forecasted a $60 million surplus in last year's budget. What we are getting instead is a $70 million deficit.

When the current Finance Minister says our surplus for the next fiscal year will be $203 million, I think we have to take that with a grain of salt. Likewise, surpluses in future years that are forecasted to dwindle to just $3 million in the last year of this Assembly.

We don't have a lot of choice about generating a surplus if we continue on our current path of cost-sharing big infrastructure projects with Ottawa. We need to come up with millions of dollars to pay our share of the planning and regulatory process for the Slave Geological Province and the Taltson hydroelectric system expansion during the life of this Assembly. At the same time, the GNWT is contributing $37.5 million to build a bridge across the Great Bear River, as well as additional planning and feasibility studies for the Mackenzie Valley Highway.

Madam Speaker, these projects raise a lot of questions. Can we afford to work on all of them simultaneously? Do we have enough workforce and business capacity to maximize the benefits of these projects for Northerners? Is it reasonable for a jurisdiction with such weak revenue generation to come up with a 25-percent share of the millions of dollars required?

It feels to me as if the federal contributions to the start-up costs of these projects are the tail wagging the dog. Ottawa offers 75 percent, and it seems like a good deal, and it addresses our chronic and significant infrastructure deficit but, in our current economic situation, 25 percent for all these projects is just too ambitious. We are building roads at the expense of building houses. Houses, not roads, are our greatest need right now. House construction will also produce a variety of economic benefits, including jobs, for the NWT.

If there was ever a time to think outside the box on infrastructure spending, this is it. If there was ever a time to talk with federal counterparts about changing this federally imposed requirement for large infrastructure projects, this is it, and I'm glad this government is taking this issue on.

I'm now going to turn to spending. There are some good initiatives in budget 2020 to help low-income families, including more money for those on Income Assistance to offset increased rent and utility costs; carbon tax rebates for individuals; and funding to make the Integrated Case Management program permanent. There is, of course, other government spending that will benefit all of us, but if you are looking for money for those two areas which low-income people describe as their biggest concerns, you won't find it here. There is no new money for additional housing and no new money that will help alleviate hunger.

I look forward to seeing these additional investments in a supplementary appropriation on our mandate.

Madam Speaker, I'm going to circle back to the question of value for money spent by the GNWT. This issue has new urgency, given the Minister of Finance's announcement that there is just $25 million available over the life of this Assembly for our priorities. Clearly, we aren't going to get transformative change for that price. I welcome the Minister's interest in the value-for-money question and her focus on increased program evaluation.

Given our current economic situation, the most important sentence in budget 2020 is: "The GNWT will undertake strategic reviews to ensure programs and services are meeting expectations and that budgeted expenditures for those programs are properly aligned with our mandate and additional revenue options are considered." This rigorous assessment holds the promise of delivering more effective programs and services without spending more money. This is a promise I'm going to hold onto.

I started this reply by reflecting on the number of NWT households who are not making ends meet for their most basic expenses. I want us all to make our best efforts to improve their circumstances, to help them get a hand up. Whether it's jobs, housing, food, or increased tax benefits, we need to develop a plan now to lift low-income families into the middle class. We need to make sure that we are not allowing our most vulnerable to continue to fall through the cracks and be left behind. We need to give these families, and especially their children, hope for a better future, right here in the Northwest Territories. Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife Centre . Replies to the budget address. Item 6, replies of committees on the review of bills. Item 7, reports of standing and special committees. Item 8, returns to oral questions. Item 9, acknowledgements. Item 10, oral questions. Member for Hay River South .

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Question 135-19(2): Trades Apprenticeships

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My questions will be for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Small businesses are a cornerstone in the development of apprentices. Small businesses are willing to hire and support apprentices but rely on the subsidy program to offset associated costs. I would ask the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment : what is the total budget amount of financial resources directed toward wage subsidies for apprenticeships? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Hay River South . Minister for Education, Culture and Employment .

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R.J. Simpson

Hay River North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My first set of questions from the Member for Hay River South . It's a big day for me. The total amount budgeted in the previous main estimates was $1.072 million, and that's for the Trades and Occupations Wage Subsidy Program. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

It's a big day for me, too. Can the Minister confirm whether this budget amount is routinely fully subscribed or under-subscribed?

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R.J. Simpson

Hay River North

We don't have the actuals for this fiscal year yet, as we are still in it, but in 2017-2018, there was $948,000 spent, so nearly the entire budget. In 2018-2019, it was down to $655,000, so there was a carry-over of over $400,000, and that is due to a decrease in the number of apprentices, the new registers, from 92 in 2017-2018 to 70 in 2018-2019.

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

The question I have here is: what are the current subsidy rates and the maximum term of those subsidies provided to employers?

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R.J. Simpson

Hay River North

The subsidy rate is $8 per hour, to an annual maximum of 1,600 hours per apprentice, and the maximum wage subsidy support is $25,600, because it's over two years; so it's for two years, $8 an hour, 1,600 hours a year.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Hay River South , final supplemental.

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Rocky Simpson

Hay River South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. For the final question, well, first of all, it's good to hear that, in a sense, there is extra money in the budget, money that may have not been spent. Is the Minister willing to look at extending the term for third- and fourth-year apprenticeships, as well, to add another year on? I would like to see the money be spread out a bit, and it will really help small business, as well. Will you consider subsidizing third and fourth years, as well? Thank you.

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R.J. Simpson

Hay River North

I appreciate where the Member is coming from. I know it's difficult for small businesses across the territory right now, and apprentices and journeypersons are in high demand. It's difficult to compete with the wages that are being offered by the mines and by government and by big industry, so to have that wage subsidy, it helps. If you're a small business and you're going into your third year with an apprentice, you might be concerned that you might lose that apprentice, and we need to help support them, so I am definitely going to look into this.

We're going back to industry and to small businesses to see how these recent changes to the program have rolled out on the ground, and we'll make the decision from there, but I'm definitely going to consider all options, including extending this if those funds are available. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Nunakput .

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Question 136-19(2): Rent Scale Policy Review

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Today, I spoke about proof of income in Housing Corporation using the T4 policy. Madam Speaker, will the Minister table the policy that tells the LHOs in the communities that they must use a T4 slip to determine the income of the public housing clients? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Nunakput . Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Looking at the policy that we currently have for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation, I see that it was more meant for consistent income. It does not meet the needs of seasonal workers, and I see that. So then, looking at this policy, I want to review it. I want to see where we are at. I think that the decision made at that time was a perfect decision for that government, and it did reflect a lot of good intent. However, now, times have changed, and it does not meet the needs of the seasonal workers, so, yes, I am wanting to go back and take a look at that. I will follow up with the Member with the discussion and outcome.

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Could the Minister table the policy, though, in the House in regard to the LHOs using that to determine public housing for the clients?

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

Sorry, I did not confirm that. Yes, I would like to table the document, and I would like to have the chance to review it and look at the changes going forward.

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

I am pretty sure there are going to be a lot of happy people in the territory today in regard to that. Thank you, Minister. Will the Minister commit to ensuring the policy and all of the Housing Corporation policies are posted on their website ASAP?

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

I did instruct my department to have the policies available online. I am not too sure where we are at with that right now. I am not too sure of the technical process or the administration for that to happen, but I will inform the Member when the policies are available online.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Member for Nunakput .

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I was so excited at question one that I forgot to ask: what is the timeline? Can this Minister give me a timeline on you getting rid of the T4 system and just people being able to go in every month, they show their pay stub, and then get their rent assessed on a timeline?

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

I don't want to commit to timeline, because there are going to be a lot of reviews that are going to have to take place in order to look at this policy. However, I also want to be mindful that I feel that the intent for the policy was to accommodate the consistent income earners, but, looking at the T4 slips, it's not working for the seasonal workers. I see that, but also that the rent scale also accommodates -- I don't want to say "accommodates," but also works with the Northwest Territories, that we are the lowest at the rent scale for the rest of Canada. The rest of Canada is at 30 percent.

We are at 19 percent. I just want to be very mindful of that, but then I see where the rent scale is very confusing to understand and very confusing to administer, but I am looking at the best results for the residents of the Northwest Territories.

If there need to be changes within that policy, I want to review it and speak with the Member, just to make sure that we are meeting the needs of the Northwest Territories. Looking at the T4 slips, I am not going to commit that this would happen anytime soon. I have to take a look at it first, before we end up making the changes, because our administration has to follow through with that. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Frame Lake .

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Question 137-19(2): Anti-Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation (SLAPP) Legislation

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Madame la Presidente. My questions are for the Minister of Environment and Natural Resources . One of the recommendations from the standing committee in reviewing the Environmental Rights Act and approved in this House was the passage of anti-SLAPP legislation, or a law to prevent strategic litigation against public participation, and that that should be introduced in the 19 th Assembly. Can the Minister tell us whether or when anti-SLAPP legislation will be introduced in this House? Mahsi, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

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Thank you, Member for Frame Lake . Minister of Environment and Natural Resources .

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It is my understanding anti-SLAPP legislation is outside the scope of the work performed for the Environmental Rights Act and most likely would not be the responsibility of Environment and Natural Resources. However, in getting a heads-up with this question and understanding and looking at that one part of the report, I have reached out to my honourable colleague, the Minister of Justice , and we are more than willing to have conversations and with the Member, as well.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

I am feeling kind of SLAPP-happy right now. I want to thank the Minister for that, but talk is cheap. I am happy to be part of that conversation. My next question: I have reviewed the ENR website and could barely find any mention of a public registry for the Protected Areas Act, let alone some of the other legislation that the department is responsible for, including the Environmental Rights Act.

Can the Minister tell us when or whether his department is considering a central environmental public registry to capture all of the reporting requirements found in the various environment and resource management bills, allowing the public a one-window access point to information, as is done in Ontario, for example?

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

The Environmental Rights Act and the Protected Areas Act are bills that were passed in the last Legislative Assembly, including registries. To implementation, ENR would start by meeting the information required in each of the acts. When implementation occurs, we will be looking for opportunities to centralize information as resources allow while not duplicating the comprehensive land and water board registries.

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

I want to thank the Minister for that. Look, I am trying to find ways to save this government money, and having a central registry is one way to begin to do that. There is similar reporting that is required from ENR around the Cumulative Impact Monitoring Program. That is under the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act. There is state of the environment reporting under the Environmental Rights Act. Can the Minister tell us how all of this environmental reporting is going to be coordinated?

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

The purpose and process and timelines for the environmental audit and the state of the environment reports are different. A state of the environment report is required to be tabled within three years of the revised Environmental Rights Act coming into effect and every four years afterwards. An environmental audit is conducted every five years by an independent body, and the next audit is due to be completed in 2025. The department continues to ensure that it meets reporting requirements in our environmental legislation and that this report is coordinated where appropriate.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Frame Lake .

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Kevin O'Reilly

Frame Lake

Merci, Madame la Presidente. I want to thank the Minister for that. Just because he says it's coordinated, it doesn't actually mean it actually is coordinated, so I am going to have to push that with him. There is nothing, though, on the ENR website about the Environmental Rights Act. There is a general page that talks about how the bill or the legislation was going to be reviewed in the last Assembly, but there is nothing there to help promote the understanding of the new legislation. Can the Minister tell us when his department will finally take a more proactive role in promoting this legislation, and will a plan be shared with the relevant standing committee?

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Shane Thompson

Nahendeh

I thank the Member for these questions. I've heard that ENR's website needs to be improved, and we're looking at that to make sure we have the information and we can easily find out, including the Environmental Rights Act. The environment website does include a web page for the Environmental Rights Act. The department plans to conduct a public awareness campaign on the Environmental Rights Act, and the department has already updated its plain-language

summary of the act to support the public awareness campaign. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Monfwi .

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Masi, Madam Speaker. [Translation] As Cabinet and Members, we work under this policy. It's in front of us to use, so when these Ministers come into our community, they have to give us notice, two weeks', and send us the documents. This is the question I want to ask the Minister. [End of translation]

As Members of the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories, we adhere to what we call a process convention. Madam Speaker, according to the process convention,

Section 11(

b) states, "Ministers will, whenever possible, provide a minimum of two weeks' advance notice of any public meeting being held by their departments in a Member's constituency." That did not occur in my riding back in December. I'm just wondering, Madam Speaker, a question to the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation: is the Minister up to speed and also familiar with

section 11 of the process convention that we have in place? Masi, Madam Speaker.

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Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Monfwi . Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My apologies. No, I'm not familiar with the process convention policy, but, back in December, we were just newly elected. This was a project that was coming around, that was coming to closure. It was the Whati community plan for strategic housing plans. At that time, I went and I asked my department if the MLA for Monfwi was contacted; at that time, he was out, he had prior engagements, but just for that celebration that had happened, the celebration did not go forward. There was a death in the community.

The celebration was put to a stop, and we just had discussions about the plan, but the celebration did not go forward. We did have a meal, but it was silent. There was a death in the community. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

[Translation] The second question I have regarding the process convention is that it's stated in the policy that you give them notice for five days in advance to return your question or written question. They have five days to return that answer. [End of translation]

When the Regular Members request for information from ministerial offices, the general rule of thumb is that the turnaround time should be within five days or less. We understand that, sometimes, five days needs to be extended and, as long as the Minister's office lets Regular Members know about the necessary extension, we are generally fine with that. It has been well over two weeks since my request, so I'm just wondering if the Minister is familiar with the general rule of thumb, the five-day rule, within the process convention. It is very important to have this timeline turnaround.

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

My deepest apologies to the Member for the request that was not received within 10 days. I would like to ask him if he would be able to resend that request to me, and I will follow up with that immediately. My sincere apologies.

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Jackson Lafferty

Monfwi

Yes, I definitely will do, and I clearly hear the Minister's apology. This is an area that, obviously, we need to improve; not only her department, but other departments, as well, so I'll be speaking to that in my probably last and final question.

Myself and my colleagues on this side of the House are getting extremely frustrated with how the government is operating and how our side of the House is being treated. In her letter to me, the Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation mentioned that she would like to collaborate with me for the betterment of my constituents. Communication definitely needs to be improved in this area. Will this Minister responsible for the NWT Housing Corporation and her department commit to making improvements with respect to giving proper notice and on responding to queries from Regular Members? Clearly, Madam Speaker, this will be a message to other Ministers, as well.

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

I would just like to advise that I was actually in Behchoko in February, and we did meet with the local housing authority, and the MLA was present. It was his meeting request at that time. Going forward, I will keep the Members very aware of when the NWT Housing Corporation will be in their community, but going forward, I don't have a scheduled plan for community visits right now. Once our session is complete, I will be sure to forward that information to the Members.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Thebacha .

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

Madam Speaker, as the Minister responsible for human resources, is she confident that the Affirmative Action Policy is solid and that her direction as Minister is being followed?

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Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Thebacha . Minister of Finance .

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am very confident in the skills and abilities and dedication of the staff in the human resources department. These individuals work hard. They are working hard to be developing a representative workforce. That doesn't mean that that work happens over a day, and it doesn't mean that we have a representative workforce right now. Not to take away for a moment from the hard work that happens within that department. I do have every confidence that they are working toward that goal.

That goal, however, as was already noted, has been noted more than once in this House, is more than simply that of one department; it is a goal for the entirety of the government. It's a goal that we are all going to be working toward. It's one that involves everything from early childhood indicators, to education, to better health outcomes, so that people are ready to work and able to work, so that they can benefit from the variety of programs that we have in the GNWT's HR. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

Does the Minister feel confident that the Affirmative Action Policy is objective and serving the people of the NWT in an honest and sincere manner?

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

The Affirmative Action Policy is one that has different classifications depending on the types of jobs to which someone is applying. A P1 individual, for example, is someone who is Indigenous Aboriginal to the territory or someone who is Aboriginal and spent more than half their life in the Northwest Territories. There are also the P2 classifications. Depending, for a management position, there are 1A and 1B classifications. They are quite rigorous.

They are clearly stated and, indeed, if someone meets one of those classifications and passes the requirements for a position, they are hired even over a candidate who may not be so classified but who may actually have scored technically higher in their application process. I have inquired and ensured that that continues to be applied, and I am happy to receive any information from any member of the public who may be concerned, and we have followed up with every one of the requests that we've received in that regard.

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

Is the Minister responsible for human resources confident that the Affirmative Action Policy is being accountable and transparent to the people of the NWT and the bureaucratic processes in place dictating it?

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

I understand that the Member has some concerns, perhaps arising from specific incidents. I am not sure. If that is the case, I want Members in this House to bring specific concerns to me. I have had specific concerns brought forward. We've actioned them. We take them back to the department. We run investigations. You make enquiries. Individuals who don't receive positions have appeal rights in some cases. I would encourage those who have access to such appeal rights to exercise them. Appeals are done by independent individuals, not Members of the GNWT.

Indeed, very often workplace investigations, in many cases, can be done by individuals outside of the GNWT. There are a lot of different layers where independents come into play, external to the GNWT. In addition to that, Madam Speaker, again, there are obligations on all staffing to ensure that they are applying policies that are appropriate and following those policies that we have rigorously.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Thebacha , final supplementary.

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Frieda Martselos

Thebacha

Madam Speaker, could the Minister honestly say, before all the Members of this House, that the Affirmative Action Policy is actually working for the people of the NWT? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Caroline Wawzonek

Yellowknife South

The Department of Human Resources is constantly working to ensure that it is doing the best it can to be a representative workforce. To that end, as I've said before in this House in the last month, there are a variety of programs. They are continuously making efforts to be responsive as new ideas arise to be innovative. For instance, developing the building capacity in Indigenous governments program that is being worked on right now is one where it's helping to build capacity in communities with secondments between the GNWT and Indigenous governments.

There's a constant effort to find new and better ways to improve the workforce, not only in the GNWT, but in some of our partners across the territory. One of those tools is the Affirmative Action Policy. I have already offered to this House to give a technical presentation to standing committee to go through that policy, to consider reviews that have been done, and to engage in a dialogue with all Members of the House if there are ways that we can continue to improve that policy for the betterment of the Northwest Territories and the people of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh .

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Steve Norn

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Mahsi cho, Madam Speaker. I have a question for the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , going back to my Member's statement on language. Can the Minister share with us what work is being done to having more official languages on NWT signs and landmarks? Mahsi cho.

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Thank you, Member for Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh . Minister of Education, Culture and Employment .

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R.J. Simpson

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Steve Norn

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you for the response from the Minister. That's encouraging. I think, if our ancestors are watching, I think they would be very, very happy to hear that. My next question is: would the Minister be open to having an interactive "welcome" and "good-bye," so to speak, in all our official languages at our points of entry? What I mean by that, our visitors' centres and our border at the NWT-Alberta border as well?

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Steve Norn

Tu Nedhe-Wiilideh

Thank you for that response from the Minister again. Encouraging. My last question for the Minister goes to language workshops. It's applicable to all of our interpreters who are assisting right now as I speak. Can the Minister commit to having more workshops for our language interpreters, especially assisting with legal, medical, and scientific terminology in the life of this Assembly?

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R.J. Simpson

Hay River North

The interpreters at the Legislative Assembly do an amazing job, and I'm sometimes in awe of all the languages that are spoken in this building. It is really like nowhere else. No other legislature around the world, I'm sure. To the Member's point, one of the additional actions that I discussed under the action plan is going to be updating the different terminologies. ECE is going to undertake that with Indigenous language experts and update the different terminologies for the legal terms, medical terms, et cetera, and are going to provide support to interpreters and arrange training opportunities.

Just the kind of work that the Member is talking about is the kind of work that we look forward to doing in the next couple of years.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Kam Lake .

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My questions today are for the Minister of Health and Social Services . I appreciate the Minister's opening statement in regards to the oral health strategy, and I'm wondering if the Minister plans to table an official report of where we are with the oral health strategy. Thank you.

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Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Kam Lake . Minister of Health and Social Services .

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Oral Health Action Plan is currently in place, and it's in place until the 2020-2021 fiscal year. The outcomes are updated as the work progresses or completed. As this work progresses, and some of the work that's completed, as Minister, I am updated. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Will the Minister have her department undertake an assessment of the feasibility of allowing dental hygienists to practice without the oversight of dentists so that our small communities have better access to preventative oral healthcare?

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Under the current legislation, the dental hygienists are allowed to practise independently with only indirect supervision. Professional oversight is required. The direct supervision is not required, just the indirect supervision. Yes, we can look at the legislation.

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

I am very happy to hear a "yes" in response to that one. I am wondering if the Minister has an idea of a timeline in regards to that type of a feasibility study?

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

Apparently, I need to go back here and just talk about the -- I'm going to go back to the Member's original question because I think I might have gotten confused here. We have an action plan. The action plan is currently in progress until 2021. The Member had asked if the dental hygienists can go unsupervised. They can go, somewhere around the question. The dental hygienist does not require direct supervision. They do require indirect supervision. The action plan that the Member is referring to that I receive updates, yes, we can provide the updates if that is what the Member and all the MLAs are requesting.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Final supplementary, Member for Kam Lake .

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Caitlin Cleveland

Kam Lake

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am going to go back, as well, then. I completely understand that the act stipulates that there is a requirement that there is indirect supervision from a dentist. However, that means that a dental hygienist who wants to practise in northern communities needs to find a dentist who is willing to take them on under their wing, so to say, and that prevents people from being able to just go to communities on their own as a business owner and provide dental hygiene appointments or preventative healthcare to people who live in these small communities. What that will end up doing is driving up costs of dental care to people who live in Tuktoyaktuk or who live in Deline.

In order for us to be able to provide cost-effective, preventative oral health care in small communities, being able to remove that stipulation and expect that dental hygienists who are accredited and who are trained professionals can work without the supervision of a dentist is required. I am wondering if the Minister is willing to do a feasibility study to look at removing that from the act. Thank you.

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Diane Archie

Inuvik Boot Lake

I can see some of the Members are pretty happy over there. I am not sure about a study, but it is something we will look into. Oral health in the communities, like I said in my Minister's statement, is very important. There was a question in the House by Inuvik Twin Lakes asking me last month: will the department look at establishing a territorial chief electoral health officer role? That is something our department is looking into. We need a position in place to be able to go. We look at some of our health centers, and the hygienist chairs are empty. I recognize that.

Our department needs to go in and have a look at the system and see what is required within the legislation or perhaps make changes to it. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Yellowknife North .

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Question 142-19(2): Arnica Inn Transitional Housing Project

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Rylund Johnson

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. There has been quite a lot of talk about the Arnica project over the last weeks in this House. I am happy to hear that there has been a meeting, and it seems there is still some hope for this project to go through, although I am still a little confused on some issues. The Minister had previously clarified that they had not seen the CMHC report and, in fact, relied on CMHC. My question to the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation is: has the Housing Corporation seen the CMHC application, and are they aware of the defects in that proposal?

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member for Yellowknife North . Minister responsible for NWT Housing Corporation.

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. As of to date, we have not seen the Yellowknife Women's Society application. The application that the Member is referring to is a federal land application, and it is for federal funding. NWTHC is working with CMHC to work towards clarification on this funding that is available to the residents of the Northwest Territories. Right now, the application, I can't even confirm if it actually has been submitted. We have been meeting with the Yellowknife Women's Society, and we recently just met last week. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Rylund Johnson

Yellowknife North

It appears, despite multiple meetings and no shortage of questions here, there still appears to be some breakdown in communication. Will the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation ask CMHC and the women's society to get a hold of that application and the response and make sure that they are aware of all of the shortfalls that were in the application so that we are all on the same page?

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

Just to confirm with the Member that my staff did reach out to CMHC. They did have a conversation, and they did encourage Yellowknife Women's Society to submit the application. CMHC will be going through the application with them thoroughly so they would be able to address the concerns that CMHC had identified on the letter that was sent to them February 18 th . Unfortunately, the Housing Corporation, we don't have the funding. We are not the main funding source, so we don't see the application at this point. Going forward, that relationship and that communication will start to improve.

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Rylund Johnson

Yellowknife North

I am a little perplexed that, at this point with such a close deadline, the Housing Corporation has not seen the application and isn't aware of the shortfalls. I heard the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation previously discuss not wanting to set proponents up to fail, wanting to make sure, if we are going to provide our funding for any housing project, that we know that it is sustainable. I do not understand how the Housing Corporation is capable of doing that without looking at the response from CMHC and without knowing the shortfalls in the application.

My question is: is the Housing Corporation, then, fully relying on the judgment of CMHC to commit their money? Have we done any review of the application?

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

Going forward, we are looking at the process. I don't want to sound as if the Housing Corporation is discouraging the application. I would really want to stress that the application is a federal application, and it is federal funding. The Housing Corporation did have a conversation with the Yellowknife Women's Society. We did come to a conclusion in that we are here to work with them going forward. I really don't know how much further to comment, but the application does sit as a federal application. The decision is based on what the Yellowknife Women's Society is asking. The project, I believe, is $4 million.

Going forward, I need to see what it is that they have been approved for so that we can work together going forward. I would like to encourage that the application that was completed, it was completed by consultant. I have encouraged the Yellowknife Women's Society to involve us in the process. The application belongs to them. It is a CMHC funding process, but we are here. We have supported them. We have met with them and, just going forward, want to improve their communication.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Member for Yellowknife North .

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Rylund Johnson

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Yellowknife Women's Society has reached out to the Housing Corporation throughout this process. They have reached out to almost everyone in this House. There has been nothing but attempts to reach out to the Housing Corporation and work with them. My concern is: on one hand, the Housing Corporation Minister is talking about not wanting to set people up for failure, wanting to make sure we have a strong investment, which I support. Yet, on the other hand, they are saying they are not even part of the application process. There is a deadline on here.

I do not want the Housing Corporation, once the CMHC has provided their funding, to all of a sudden raise some new concerns that should have been raised months ago. My question for the Minister responsible for the Housing Corporation is: can we set out a guideline of what our role is in making sure we can successfully get the co-housing federal money from the federal government? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

I could hear the frustration in the Member's question. Going forward, looking at the process, I do find it very complicated, myself. I look at the project; it looks like it is almost simple to go forward, but it is the paperwork that is in between. It is federal money, territorial money, and looking at co-investment, co-investors, and to work with this project going forward. Right now, the Housing Corporation is engaged, and we are working on a process going forward and looking at how are we going to deal with projects like this and making sure that they are set up for success.

Right now, I do have a meeting that's scheduled with CMHC to clarify a lot of the justification that they identified on the application, but going forward, I understand, and I hear the Member that the communication needs to be clarified.

Going forward, the Northwest Territories does have access to this co-investment fund that is sitting there. We do have other interested parties going forward, but we really need to be clear on the process. I understand that the Member has expressed that there is a deadline for this project to go forward. I really want to stress that the Housing Corporation is not holding up that deadline, that there are requirements that are needed on that application.

It needs to be completed, and I would really advise that, whatever the CMHC has included in their details in their letter and their conversation, that it needs to be met. The requirements need to be met. As the Housing Corporation, we are there to support the application. I hear the frustration, but, as the Housing Corporation, we are trying to work and figure out a strategy of how we are going to be working with the co-investment fund going forward. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Minister. Oral questions. Member for Nunakput , round two.

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Question 143-19(2): Review of Rent Scale Policy on Income Verification

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It's a good day today, Madam Speaker. The Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation is going to make changes for us in regard to our T4 system. Can we try to work with the Minister to get a timeline and using her Minister's directive in telling her staff before April 3 rd , before this House is convened, that we have something in place where the LHOs could just start utilizing the income verification by cheque stubs in the communities instead of a T4 system or make it optional? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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The Deputy Speaker

Lesa Semmler

Thank you, Member. Minister responsible for the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation .

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Thank you to the Member. I am not familiar with policy changes and how fast we could make this happen. The policy that is in place currently, right now, I feel that it has been accommodating consistent income. Right now, we have changed, and we are recognizing that we do have seasonal workers. Going forward, I need to be very strategic and very specific on making these changes, so, unfortunately, I cannot commit to the April 1 st date. I need to make sure that how the assessment was completed at first, that included the changes to the policy that we currently work with right now, what were the changes, what did they engage, what did they consider.

Looking even at the cost of living and what does it honestly take for our units to be maintained and for them to be administered, I want to take those into consideration, as well, because, as the Northwest Territories Housing Corporation, we do spend $30,000 annually on the units; we do take care of the sewer, the fuel, the property taxes, the lease payments. I just need to make sure that, when we are calculating these rental incomes, it does accommodate the seasonal workers, just as we have made the adjustments to accommodate the consistent income earners.

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Jackie Jacobson

Nunakput

In regard to that, policies can be changed anytime. Once the Minister has directed and once the Minister makes that decision to go forward with it, she can make change. Change will happen when she tells her staff to make it happen. In regard to it, I appreciate all the work and what she is saying to us and stuff like that, but again, we have to realize that, the housing units, we get $45,000 a year, per person per year. That is every man, woman, and child, babies, everybody. The thing is, the housing, they are substandard housing in my riding, anyway. They are 30-plus years old. We have some new ones but not enough. We are short about 300 houses in my riding.

Madam Speaker, this Minister could make change by April 3 rd if she gives a Minister's directive. Would the Minister commit to me about making change and using no more T4s or make it optional? Even making it optional, you are still doing the same thing, the department, but you are making it optional for the person to come in every month to show you that slip, and you will get the exact amount, what you are doing, instead of ripping them off.

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Paulie Chinna

Sahtu

I would encourage the clients in the riding of the Member to get into the LHO offices right now, do a rent assessment. Looking at the T4s, if they feel that they are paying a lot more and too much for the current public housing units that they reside in, that is an option. We do use the T4 slips annually to calculate their rent, to be consistent, but also there is the option to do the rent assessment. That can be done month by month, and it does not have to be based on the T4 for the rest of the year. We do recognize that we do have income earners who are not consistent throughout the year.

I would really encourage the Member to speak with his constituents to get into the LHO offices in his riding and have a rent assessment completed.

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