Debates of Oct. 11th, 1994

This is page numbers 171 - 209 of the Hansard for the 12th Assembly, 6th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was report .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Congratulating Award-winning Joamie School In Iqaluit

Canada/nwt Infrastructure Program

Concerns Of Contaminants In Redknife And Trout Rivers

"strings Across The Sky"

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Status Of Smouldering Forest Fires

Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Difficulties Of Small Businesses Obtaining Loans

Ece Policy For Student Exchange Programs

Substance Of Keewatin Divisional Board Of Education Meetings

Status Of Monitoring Water Quality

Decision On Reorganization Of Maca

Status Of Nwtpc's Low-water Surcharge

Action Taken On Expensive GNWT Advertising

Child Tax Rebate Problems

Minister's Authorization To Reorganize Maca

Continuing Efforts To Restore Federal Social Housing Funding

Minister's Support Of Level Ii Guide Training Program

Authorization Of Housing Advertisement

Written Question 3-12(6): Registered Businesses In The Western Arctic

Committee Report 9-12(6): Investing In Our Future, October 1994

Item 20: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Committee Report 5-12(6): Report On The Review Of The Financial Statements For The GNWT And The Report Of The Auditor General Of Canada For The Year Ending March 31, 1993

To Adopt Recommendation 1

To Adopt Recommendation 2

To Adopt Recommendation 3

To Adopt Recommendation 4

To Adopt Recommendation 5

To Adopt Recommendation 6

Item 21: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 12:

An Act To Amend The Commissioner's Land Act

Item 23: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Mr. Allooloo , Mr. Antoine , Hon. Silas Arngna'naaq , Mr. Arvaluk , Mr. Ballantyne , Hon. Nellie Cournoyea , Mr. Dent , Mr. Gargan , Hon. Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Koe , Mr. Lewis , Hon. Jeannie Marie-Jewell , Hon. Rebecca Mike , Hon. Don Morin , Hon. Richard Nerysoo , Mr. Ningark , Mr. Patterson , Hon. John Pollard , Mr. Pudlat , Hon. John Todd , Mr. Whitford , Mr. Zoe

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 171

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Good afternoon. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Congratulating Award-winning Joamie School In Iqaluit

Item 3: Members' Statements

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Good afternoon. You may wonder why I'm wearing a green tie today, Madam Speaker. I've already received a compliment from a Minister about my tie. In fact, Mr. Nerysoo wants to know the name of my haberdasher. Madam Speaker, it is not St. Patrick's Day. I'm wearing my green tie today in honour of the greenest school in Canada which is Joamie School in Iqaluit.

---Applause

Thank you. Joamie School is at the forefront of the green movement in Canadian schools. They do environmental projects with a passion which is almost unmatched in the rest of the country. I'm pleased here today to recognize that Joamie became the first school in Canada to reach earth status in a program put on by the Seeds Foundation. Receiving an environmental earth school award, Madam Speaker, means that Joamie has conducted at least 1,000 projects concerning the environment.

Before that, the 208 student school was already the second in the country to earn emerald status for having completed 500 projects. Prior to that achievement, it became only the fourth school in Canada to attain jade status for accomplishing 250 projects. The fact that the students reached their school's goal by Christmas is also remarkable, and they're still going strong with green projects, Madam Speaker.

Every class has participated in projects which include recycling, energy conservation and water conservation. One of the projects, for example, was a shortest shower contest. Madam Speaker, it gives me pleasure today to salute the students of Joamie School, their principal Ms. Florence Sliney, and the very supportive volunteer parent's advisory committee of that school. Congratulations. Thank you.

---Applause

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Congratulating Award-winning Joamie School In Iqaluit

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 171

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Canada/nwt Infrastructure Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 171

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, on August 24th, a significant news release was issued announcing the Canada/Northwest Territories infrastructure program. This is a $10.8 million cost-shared program designed to meet the infrastructure needs and priorities of local communities.

I, for one, am very pleased at this announcement and wish to compliment the Ministers who were involved in negotiating this agreement. However, of course, we all wish that we could have received more money. Madam Speaker, I don't wish to reiterate the highlights of the program, which were detailed in the press release, but I do wish to flag some issues which may be of concern when implementing the program.

It always seems that when we establish new programs, especially federal/territorial ones, that we have to involve many layers of bureaucracy. In this case, the program will be administered by a joint federal/territorial management committee. Applications will flow through regional superintendents of Education, Culture and Employment. Applications will be assessed by officials in Municipal and Community Affairs and the other government departments which are involved. And, community consultation groups may be established.

Madam Speaker, I believe in getting things done simply, effectively and efficiently. I believe things should follow the KISS principle: keep it simple, stupid. In this case, especially with such a good initiative, the whole program could be bogged down being reviewed by committees. Madam Speaker, I believe it is incumbent upon all of us to ensure that this program doesn't get bogged down in bureaucracy. Let the communities and their residents decide what their priorities are, give them the resources and let them get on with the job. Mahsi.

---Applause

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Canada/nwt Infrastructure Program

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 171

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Concerns Of Contaminants In Redknife And Trout Rivers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 171

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, during the week of August 8th this past summer, I

had the opportunity to travel the Redknife and Trout Rivers, on to Jean Marie River and Fort Simpson; areas that my Dad -- bless his soul -- traditionally travelled, along with myself at a very young age. I have learned to appreciate the traditional areas that I grew up in, as countless others of my generation have done.

During my trip I saw something that really bothered me that I hadn't seen before in this area. In many areas there was a very noticeable brown-coloured foam on the water. Madam Speaker, I have travelled on many lakes and rivers in the Northwest Territories, and this is not a natural occurrence.

In my opinion, this foam did not look like it could be explained by a rise in the water temperature. In addition, in these same waters, I was very disturbed to see a great number of dead fish floating about. Most of them were suckers, northern pike and whitefish.

I do not know what caused the foam on the water or the dead fish, but I suspect that, from the look of things, it may have been the result of an increase in levels of toxic substances. If this is the case, then we must increase our efforts to protect our land from our downstream neighbours who seem to have little or no regard for our land, our waters, our way of life, or our legacy to our children.

I wanted to let the Members of this House know, Madam Speaker, that perhaps more effort is needed to preserve our environment. I am aware of the monitoring programs and water quality studies carried out by the Department of Renewable Resources in cooperation with other jurisdictions, and I applaud their efforts. But I am saying that we cannot assume that those who do not have a stake in our future, namely our neighbours who share our waters, will be as concerned with the quality of our northern lakes and rivers.

I would like someone to tell me that this is a natural occurrence and my concern is misplaced, but I don't think that will be the case. I will be following up on this issue with the Minister of Renewable Resources to find out what has caused this particular problem in the Redknife and Trout rivers, and what is being done, or will be done, about it.

---Applause

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Concerns Of Contaminants In Redknife And Trout Rivers

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 172

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Item 3, Members' statements. The honourable Member for Sahtu , Mr. Kakfwi .

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"strings Across The Sky"

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 172

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In 1987, a Member of the Toronto Symphony Orchestra, Andrea Hansen, came north on a tour and, at that time, initiated a project called "Strings Across the Sky" with Inuvik businessman, Frank Hansen. It was a project to bring music to the children of the north by teaching the skills, and to continue the tradition of fiddling, which is very strong in the Mackenzie Delta.

This woman has since paid the north annual visits, two or three times per year, to encourage young people of the Mackenzie Delta to renew interest in the tradition of fiddling. During the first weekend of September, the 2nd, 3rd and 4th of September, there was a fiddling festival organized by the performers of the Northwest Territories, under the organization of Darlene Mandeville. They organized a three-day festival with fiddling, calling dances and teaching square dancing and other dances done to a fiddle. Andrea Hansen was there and was incredibly enthusiastic. She threw some real energy into the initiative.

Following that, she made a visit again to Inuvik and indicated at that time if we could find someone to help her pay for the transportation on her visit to Norman Wells she would be prepared to stop in Fort Good Hope for two days. So the Sahtu divisional board staff got organized very quickly and took the initiative to find some money for it. The result was to the benefit of everybody in Fort Good Hope who also organized to provide room and board, transportation and accommodation for these people.

I want to compliment the Sahtu divisional board for their quick action and the people of Fort Good Hope to seize this initiative. I would also like to thank the people of the Strings Across the Sky. Thank you.

---Applause

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"strings Across The Sky"

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 172

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 3, Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Madam Premier .

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Further Return To Question 54-12(6): GNWT's Role In New Health Strategy

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 172

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I would like to give a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Fred Koe on October 6th. I would like to provide further clarification on my responses to the questions raised on October 6th by Mr. Koe concerning the Government of the Northwest Territories role in the federal government's new health strategy.

The federal government plans to spend some $243 million over five years on the national strategy to deal with urgent health priorities of First Nations and Inuit. Three main program areas will be addressed: mental health crisis management, solvent abuses and home care nursing.

The department has had discussions with the federal government on this initiative. The outcome has been positive in that the NWT will be eligible for funding. The exact amount of the Northwest Territories allocation, how the money will flow to the NWT, as well as the program parameters will be made known to the NWT in the next three to four weeks.

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Return To Question 73-12(6): Social Worker For Arctic Bay

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 172

Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I have a further reply to an oral question asked by Ludy Pudluk regarding the social worker in Arctic Bay. The question was asked on October 7th. In reply to Mr. Pudluk 's question about the social worker in Arctic Bay, I can advise that the competition has been completed and a candidate has been selected. There is no housing currently available, but it's expected that the house will be ready by late December or early January.

In the meantime, several options are being considered to ensure that social services remain available to the residents of Arctic Bay. There is a possibility that the social worker might be located in Nanisivik temporarily, commuting to Arctic Bay. Alternatively, the possibility of renting a house from the church in Arctic Bay is also being considered. These would only be temporary measures, Madam Speaker, and I can assure the Member that every effort will be made to locate the social worker in Arctic Bay as soon as housing is available.

Until then, social workers from other communities and from the regional office will continue to travel to Arctic Bay, as required, to maintain service delivery. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Question 86-12(6): Status Of Smouldering Forest Fires

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 173

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. On Friday, before question period was over, I asked a question regarding the forest fire situation in the Northwest Territories to the Minister of Renewable Resources . In his response he said that there were still 80 areas where fires were still smouldering. I would like to ask the Minister whether or not last year...I'd like to ask the Minister what was the status of the fires last summer, compared to this year, of those that were left smouldering. How many actually restarted this summer?

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Question 86-12(6): Status Of Smouldering Forest Fires

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 173

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Question 86-12(6): Status Of Smouldering Forest Fires

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 173

Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I do not know the answer to the question. I'll take the question as notice. Thank you.

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Question 86-12(6): Status Of Smouldering Forest Fires

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Question is being taken as notice. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Inuvik , Mr. Koe .

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Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 173

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. On August 24th, an agreement on an NWT infrastructure program was signed. This was a $10.8 million arrangement designed to meet the infrastructure needs and priorities of local communities. The Minister of Education, Culture and Employment is responsible for administering and implementing the agreement on behalf of the Government of the Northwest Territories.

My question is directed to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . What is being done to implement this program in the Northwest Territories?

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Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 173

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Madam Speaker, the question requires a somewhat lengthy response. Just so there is no confusion about the whole management structure, first of all, because it is part of the process, the management committee that is the central agency responsible for managing and approving the project applications are the ADMs of Education, Culture and Employment, Municipal and Community Affairs, the regional director and the associate regional director of Indian and Northern Affairs.

Just to advise the honourable Member with regard to what has already been done, we have already worked at advising all the superintendents in the region. We've run workshops with the staff in the region so that they can be apprised of the program itself. Also, I've sent letters to most municipalities, most band councils and most aboriginal organizations in the communities to advise them about the project and the general terms of the project or the program itself.

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Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Supplementary To Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of Nwt Infrastructure Program

Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, the focus of this program is on communities. Just some short quotes from the press release, "It's to create short and long-term employment through investment in local communities. Program funding will be allocated to communities" and, "Program design is flexible so as to allow communities to determine their own priorities." So my supplementary is what consultation has been done with communities to ensure their involvement in the implementation of this program?

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Supplementary To Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of Nwt Infrastructure Program

Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 173

The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Further Return To Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of Nwt Infrastructure Program

Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Just to advise the honourable Member that all communities have been advised of the program. What is clear, Madam Speaker, is that we're using the same process that we used for the community works program last year. All communities and aboriginal organizations are aware of the process and we're continuing with that process because it was successful. It was very simple and in many respects it offered the opportunity for the communities to determine their capital priorities. So that same process is being used for this particular project.

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Further Return To Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of Nwt Infrastructure Program

Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Supplementary To Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of Nwt Infrastructure Program

Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. One of the unique features of this program, again I quote, "blending of the national infrastructure program allocation and First Nations infrastructure initiative allocation into one group, and community consultation to ensure that all affected local governments and communities and aboriginal groups are represented and involved in the process of developing local community projects." My supplementary is, how can aboriginal groups get involved and receive program funding?

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Supplementary To Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of Nwt Infrastructure Program

Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Education , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The process to be used is to work with the municipal council to identify priorities of infrastructure. Just to advise the honourable Members of this House that the important component to what we are trying to accomplish is to ensure that there is some consensus that is reached in terms of the priority of projects. Otherwise there is no need for communities to be duplicating initiatives that would contradict one another. I think the important thing for us is to ensure there's some consistency and support for the projects that are being proposed. The idea would be for the communities to work together to come to an agreement on the priorities.

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Further Return To Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of Nwt Infrastructure Program

Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. Final supplementary, Mr. Koe .

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Supplementary To Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of Nwt Infrastructure Program

Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 174

Fred Koe

Inuvik

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. My final supplementary is what time frame are we looking at to begin these programs? Specifically, when can communities expect to receive money to begin some of the projects that they've identified?

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Supplementary To Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of Nwt Infrastructure Program

Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Question 87-12(6): Status Of Implementation Of NWT Infrastructure Program

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Just to indicate to the honourable Member that allocations have been identified based on the same kind of determinations we had with the community works program last year. While this is a two-year initiative, we're still using the same kind of criteria.

What I would suggest to the honourable Member and to the communities is that they have an opportunity now to identify and priorize certain infrastructure needs in their community. They then can develop the proposals based on that. I think it's important that they work together to ensure that the projects we're talking about are of benefit to the community in total, and the results in the long term are going to be in the interests of the community, both aboriginal and non-aboriginal.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 174

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Question 88-12(6): Difficulties Of Small Businesses Obtaining Loans

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 174

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question is to the Minister of Economic Development and Tourism . Last month, the Canadian Association for Independent Business published the results of a survey that it had done on business loans to businesses across the country. There was some alarming information that was reported, the main one being that although small businesses create all the jobs, there have been more loan applications turned down in the past fiscal year than in the year before. Many small businesses have gone under for that reason, they have no access to capital.

I would like to ask the Minister, there's no clear indication of what information was applied from the Northwest Territories, where small businesses are having difficulties in obtaining loans from our chartered banks.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 174

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't think there's any doubt. I've spoken on a number of occasions in the House about the need to improve access to capital. I know, in terms of the Mortgage Investment Corporation that we talked about last week, that's one means that we're looking at for residential and commercial mortgages. We have the Business Credit Corporation and its new approach to more authority at the regional level and a new approach in terms of the $5,000 grants.

With respect to the chartered banks, I can't specifically say one way or the other whether they've shrunk their exposure when it comes to lending. I know that I can say one thing to the honourable Member, there has been tremendous pressure on the Business Credit Corporation over the last year, and that may be a reflection of the fact that our financial institutions aren't lending to the level and to the degree that we're accustomed to. But I don't have any specific data or research that indicates one way or the other. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 174

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

For some time, we've identified access to capital as one of the big problems facing our small businesses across the territories. So I would like to ask the Minister, since we can assume that the difficulty continues for our small businesses to get capital and access to loans and so on, what status is the discussion now at with regard to setting up our own credit union system in the Northwest Territories so that there would be small pools of capital to serve our needs?

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 175

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. If I may just go back to the original question, I would say to the honourable Member that I did recently seek an additional $3 million for the Credit Corporation because all the funds we had in the past were taken up. That again, may be an indication of the activity as well as the possibility that the banks are not lending to the same degree as they have in the past.

With respect to the Arctic co-ops credit union initiative that's been going on for heaven knows how many years, we're currently putting forward an application to the EDA secretariat seeking some fiscal support for the ACL's application to seed or bridge-finance the dollars that are required for the establishment of an ACL-sponsored credit union. We're optimistic that the potential for that could be approved some time in November. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 175

Brian Lewis

Yellowknife Centre

This government has gone hot and cold on credit unions over the last 10 years, so I would like to ask the Minister since this seems to be the attitude that has some potential, whether the government in fact has a positive view towards the development of some kind of system so that we would have at least some access for our small businesses to get capital.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 175

John Todd

Keewatin Central

Madam Speaker, I would say that the current temperature is very hot; that we're in the process of aggressively pursuing some seed money to assist ACL in the development of its credit union. However, I'm sure the honourable Member knows that they will require significantly more equity than what we're able to provide. But I made a commitment to the board of directors and to the president who has probably sent me more letters than Santa Claus with respect to this issue, that we're going to move quickly to provide him with the fiscal resources necessary to move forward on this credit union. It's an important initiative. Thank you.

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Page 175

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Natilikmiot , Mr. Ningark .

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Question 89-12(6): Ece Policy For Student Exchange Programs

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 175

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Madam Speaker, from time to time, students of the NWT take

part in student exchange programs or trips to other jurisdictions and sometimes to other countries. In order to make such trips possible, they have to go through the ambitious fund-raising programs. One of the main obstacles that I know of is to accommodate the enormous airfare in going from one place to another. My question to the honourable Minister is, does the department have a policy or program to assist schools in making such a trip possible? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Page 175

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I don't know the details to that particular question, so I'll take the question as notice.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Question 90-12(6): Substance Of Keewatin Divisional Board Of Education Meetings

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 175

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. I have a question to the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment . Recently, the Minister of Education, Culture and Employment attended meetings of the Keewatin Divisional Board of Education. Could the Minister advise whether he answered questions about the impact of the potential cuts in federal funding for aboriginal languages on the aboriginal languages program provided by the Keewatin Divisional Board of Education?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I indicated to the board that there would be some very significant cuts to the funding provided for aboriginal languages programming.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. In his response, did he mention the report of the Languages Commissioner, which highlighted the lapsed money for aboriginal languages?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I indicated to the board that one of the documents that was being used as an argument for the reduction of resources was the report of the Languages Commissioner.

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. We heard on the radio that the Minister inferred that the Languages Commissioner's report was, in part, responsible for highlighting the lapsed money to the federal government, which resulted in the proposed cuts.

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Mr. Arvaluk , I didn't hear a question with your comments. Mr. Arvaluk .

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James Arvaluk

Aivilik

What I was trying to ask was, did the Minister imply or infer that the Languages Commissioner's report was, in part, responsible for highlighting the lapsed money to the federal government, resulting in the proposed cuts?

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Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Madam Speaker. In fact, Madam Speaker, it has been indicated to me by staff that at meetings federal officials used that particular document as part of the information they were using to argue for the reduction of resources to our languages program. That was the issue.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Arvaluk .

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Page 176

James Arvaluk

Aivilik

The federal and territorial governments are supposed to receive an audited report every year, explaining how the contributions were used, as required by the agreement. This was stated by the Minister on CBC and heard by my constituency. Is the Minister telling the public that the federal government wasn't able to get early information about the lapsed funds?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Education, Culture and Employment , Mr. Nerysoo .

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Page 176

Richard Nerysoo

Mackenzie Delta

I think what is clear is that when that report was brought forward to this House, it was almost a year old. And, despite the efforts on my part to clarify some of the information, I was chastised by Members of this House. In fact, during the past year, we have overspent our aboriginal languages money in our department and, yet, we are unable to put forward an argument as to the need for more funding rather than the argument now being put forward by the federal government. Because of the report and because of other information that has been brought forward, they are using the arguments against us to reduce our overall resources in our area.

In most meetings, including the meeting I was attending, the boards of education ask for more money for languages and culture. At this particular juncture, I would have to say that, as a result of our most recent agreement, we are possibly going to be looking at less and not more.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Deh Cho , Mr. Gargan .

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Question 91-12(6): Status Of Monitoring Water Quality

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 176

Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Renewable Resources . Madam Speaker, I made a statement today regarding the quality of water in the Mackenzie River. I would like to ask whether the monitoring of the river has resulted in revealing any toxins in the river, or the increase of toxins. What is the status of the monitoring that is being done of pulp mills upstream from the Mackenzie River?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The results of some of the consultation that has taken place about the Mackenzie River has resulted in a Mackenzie River Basin master agreement, which is an interjurisdictional agreement, whereby all jurisdictions agree to protect the quality and quantity of water. At this point, the agreement is going to the various jurisdictions for their approval. At this point, I'm not able to directly answer the question that the honourable Member is asking about the quality of water in the Mackenzie River.

If there is a specific area of the Mackenzie River he is asking about, I would be willing to provide that information to the Member. But, at this point, I am not certain of the answer to his question. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, the area I referred to in my statement is the area between Fort Providence and Fort Simpson. I also mentioned Trout River and Redknife River, but I didn't travel through those rivers. I just went by them. The only observation I can make is that the fish that are dead in the river are not coming from those rivers. I presume the toxins are coming from other sources. I am asking the Minister whether or not there has been some monitoring done in the Great Slave Lake to Inuvik? Are we experiencing any increase in toxins in the river, that are causing the fish to die?

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I thank the honourable Member for clarifying his question. From what I understand, the results of the fish dying in the specific area the honourable Member is asking about is a question that the Department of Fisheries and Oceans of the federal government is trying to answer. At this point, we have not yet heard what the results are. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, I realize that there is still a master agreement that requires approval of other jurisdictions before finalization, but I would like to ask whether this government is also doing any type of monitoring, besides Fisheries and Oceans.

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Thank you. Minister of Renewable Resources , Mr. Arngna'naaq .

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I think that the amount of toxins that go into the Mackenzie River are not controllable by this government. Therefore, we, as a government have been strongly pursuing the signing of the Mackenzie River Basin master agreement whereby fewer toxins would be allowed into the Mackenzie River. But the specific area in question is something that we are not able to answer with complete surety at this point. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Gargan .

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Samuel Gargan

Deh Cho

Madam Speaker, as a result of the concern I have, I've made a statement. I'm sure anybody who lives on the Slave River, Athabasca River, Slave Lake or Mackenzie River would have a concern about the amount of pollution that's being discharged into the river. I don't think that this is something I would like to take lightly or that the department should be taking lightly. I would like to ask the Minister, while there are discussions happening regarding the tripartite agreement, that we don't ignore this and leave it until it's too late.

I would like to ask the Minister if he is conveying to the federal department of Fisheries and Oceans that the residents should be warned whether the water is safe or we should be concerned.

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Silas Arngna'naaq

Kivallivik

Thank you, Madam Speaker. I agree with the honourable Member that the amount of discharge of toxin into any waters in the Northwest Territories is of great importance to the Government of the Northwest Territories. I would like to point out that when the master agreement was put together, I was the first to sign it and have been, since then, pressuring the Minister of Indian and Northern Affairs to sign the agreement and then to pass it on to the other jurisdictions which have part of the Mackenzie River in their jurisdiction.

I have been pursuing this agreement, and I believe the Minister of Indian Affairs and Northern Development has now signed the agreement and is passing it on to the other jurisdictions which are Alberta, British Columbia and Yukon. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Nahendeh , Mr. Antoine .

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Question 92-12(6): Decision On Reorganization Of Maca

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 177

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Mahsi, Madam Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for Municipal and Community Affairs. Madam Speaker, we all know that this department is presently undergoing a major reorganization. However, the Premier 's Return to Session statement didn't mention it nor was it covered in Mr. Pollard 's budget address. I would like to ask the Minister whose decision it was to reorganize her department. Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The decision to reorganize the department was made by my deputy minister, Dave Ramsden.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The Members on this side of the House have always described this department as being one of the best departments in the government, and I know that none of the MLAs in this House have asked for any sort of reorganization of this department. The people who we represent in the municipal governments in the communities are quite satisfied with the way the services are delivered by this department. However, Madam Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister if any type of analysis or any type of questions were asked to the communities before this reorganization took place. Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This reorganization did not touch on programs and policies of the department. It was merely to realign the resources we have in the division of MCAP in the department. Therefore, the consultation did not take place with the communities as it did not concern any policy changes nor program changes.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. This department is the department that provides services to people in the communities, especially the municipal governments. These municipal governments have been quite satisfied with the department in the way the services were delivered. There is a real fear here by members of communities that this reorganization is destroying that service. And that's the purpose of this government, to provide programs and services to the people in the community. If the way the service is delivered is satisfactory and nobody asked for any changes, why did the department decide to reorganize and make these changes? Thank you.

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Thank you. Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Ms. Mike .

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. The decision to reorganize this department at the headquarters level was decided and initiated by the deputy minister who has responsibility in administering the department. He felt that the department needed reorganization because there were duplications of responsibilities under different divisions that had to be realigned. It was just merely to make the department more efficient in responding to the needs of the communities and the regional centres. Thank you.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Antoine .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Madam Speaker. It's interesting to hear the Minister say that the deputy minister made the decision to reorganize a quite satisfactory department. I would like to ask the Minister if the Minister is running the department or if the deputy minister is running this department. Thank you.

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Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs, Ms. Mike .

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Thank you, Madam Speaker. I am.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you, Madam Minister. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Yellowknife North , Mr. Ballantyne .

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Question 93-12(6): Status Of Nwtpc's Low-water Surcharge

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 178

Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, I have a question for the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation . It's regarding the proposed 22 per cent low-water surcharge that the NWT Power Corporation is applying to the Public Utilities Board for.

Madam Speaker, I do understand the Public Utilities Board has the mandate and responsibility to decide power rates, however the Power Corporation is 100 per cent owned by the Government of the Northwest Territories. The government is accountable, in this House, for the Power Corporation and the Minister, under the act, does have the power to issue directors to the corporation. My constituents find the proposed low-water surcharge totally unacceptable. They want some answers.

My first question, Madam Speaker, is when did the government learn that the Power Corporation had underestimated their costs and were forced to go to the PUB for a huge low-water surcharge?

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister responsible for the Power Corporation , Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the Member is quite right that the Public Utilities Board hears all applications for increases in rates to the consumer. I was informed of a need for a surcharge on the low-water situation in February. At that time, the Public Utilities Board was also informed that there would be a requirement to hear an application for a charge for the problems in the low-water we were experiencing in this part of the hydro system. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Madam Speaker. As the sole owner of the Power Corporation, what power does the government have to ensure the Power Corporation makes every effort to fund budget miscalculations internally?

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, in relation to low-water surcharges, this is not a phenomenon to the Northwest Territories alone. This happens all across Canada in other hydro areas when they find themselves in a situation where the water is just not there to generate the necessary power on a continuous basis. It's a normal procedure for the utility to put an application towards the regulator, which is the Public Utilities Board in this instance. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Thank you again. Because the Power Corporation is 100 per cent owned by the GNWT and is obviously subject to GNWT policies and procedures, is it government policy that communities pay for unexpected costs due to weather conditions? For example, are communities going to have to pay a high temperature surcharge for forest fire fighting around their communities?

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Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I don't think the Public Utilities Board is in the business to determine the cost of the forest fires. I believe the forest fire high cost is being charged to this government which is an unanticipated $20 million. Thank you.

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Michael Ballantyne

Yellowknife North

Yes, I think the Minister has made my point. If the government is picking up the unexpected cost of forest fire fighting because of such

an act of God, I guess my question to the Premier is why should communities pay a low-water surcharge for power when it's 100 per cent owned by the government. And if the Power Corporation didn't budget for that, as the Department of Renewable Resources didn't budget for a high temperature summer, why should the consumers have to pay the price? Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the Northwest Territories Power Corporation was set up to run as an independent arm's length utility company and that is presently the way it operates. If there are certain areas which are determined under the Public Utilities Act which also includes the unexpected issue on hydro areas on low-water surcharges, that is the role of the Public Utilities Board to hear the request for a charge on the matter of the low water. So that is the mandate of the Public Utilities Board. It's a mandate of the Power Corporation to put those requests forward to that body. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Iqaluit , Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

In my letter, Madam Speaker, I asked the Premier some questions and asked her to give the matter her immediate attention. I also copied one to Mr. Alvarez, her deputy minister. I'd like to ask the Premier , since I didn't get a reply to that letter, which was a sincere attempt to encourage the government to get better value for its advertising dollars, what action was taken following that letter of June 7, 1993? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I can provide the written copy of a letter that was written in reply to his letter some 30 days later, or a little before that which he might have lost. Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I'm sure I can table the response to his letter, too. I have it here because I heard the honourable Member was saying he didn't receive a copy and I was a bit concerned about it, so we checked our files and indeed he did receive a response to his letter.

As to what is being done, as the Member also knows, over the years, there has been some indications that the Government of the Northwest Territories should put some positive spins to some of the positive attempts they are taking to serve the public in the Northwest Territories. To say something good about some of the expenditures that are made on behalf of the consumers, and that has been indicated quite a number of times, is that we do a lot of good things for the consumers. We do conduct programs. We do carry out daily delivery of services to people, but that seems to go without a lot of comment.

So there was a purposeful attempt to put a more positive approach on the things that were being done in a positive way to serve the residents of the Northwest Territories. This is one publication that was seen as a good vehicle. Above and Beyond is often complimented as something that almost everyone can pick up.

There are a lot of travel arrangements that are made for patients and people who have to be referred elsewhere, they all get on the airlines, as well as the elite. There are a lot of people who read this particular magazine, including myself. I find it a very interesting publication with a lot of positive things being said, not only in the area of housing, but in economic development. There are really positive profiles of people across the Northwest Territories. I think a lot of people like the magazine. I certainly do, Madam Speaker.

The fact is, there was a suggestion to put a publication forward. Normally, the department would say they will put a major

article in a paper and generate the general costs. I think on the detail of the costs, the Minister responsible can put a more positive light on exactly what it cost, where the publication was sent and where it was distributed. Madam Speaker, I sincerely believe we got good value for the dollar with the article. It tells about the Housing Corporation, about what kinds of programs we have, about what buildings we're building and what we attempt to do.

Hopefully, with this kind of publicity and the positive light, other funding institutions, such as the federal government, will look to see what can be done in a positive way and see that our program is worthwhile and certainly is in the right category for support. I believe the housing corporation has housed many people, it is an excellent program and it deserves a positive spin. Thank you, Madam Speaker.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Madam Speaker, I would like to make it clear that I don't question the government's privilege to pay for propaganda which makes it look good. And, I don't, as I said in my letter to the Premier , begrudge Above and Beyond for very successfully hustling some $100,000 to $150,000 out of three government departments.

But, my question to the Premier -- which she hasn't answered, and which is the same question I asked in my letter -- is are there not policies in place when the government is spending that kind of money -- over $100,000 of our precious public funds -- which require tendering of amounts, when there are other publishers, including northern-owned operators, operating in a highly competitive market place, including, may I say, one company operating in my constituency?

Are there not policies in place which would allow other companies and community newspapers to be given a chance to bid for that kind of opportunity? Thank you.

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I certainly appreciate the Member's positive comments that it is not the

article which is giving him pain, but the fact that there may have been other publishers who would have liked to have the same opportunity.

Madam Speaker, with this type of publication, we do give certain latitude to the Ministers responsible for picking and choosing, to a certain extent. There is latitude given to various departments to make some expenditures in this area. If there are publications that are not solicited, I will make sure that, from hence forth, we try our very best to support other publications that exist. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Your final supplementary, Mr. Patterson .

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Dennis Patterson

Iqaluit

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Well, it is a bit late, Madam Speaker. As far as I can tell, over $100,000 has gone to one favoured publication. I'm interested in how the Premier 's office functions. I sent her, without making a big, public deal out of it, a letter saying two of her departments -- for which she has overall responsibility for overseeing -- had spent, by my calculation, $75,000 or $80,000 with this one favourite publication. I said another one is being wooed and this is a letter to say I think it is wrong. Our government stands for making public tenders for these kinds of opportunities. Would she do something about it on an urgent basis.

I would like to ask the Premier , who says now they will do something about it, why wasn't something done back in June, 1993, so that some of the other struggling publishing companies in the north -- including community newspapers and other magazines which are published in the Northwest Territories, like Arctic Circle, for example -- were given the opportunity? Why was my warning not heeded, Madam Speaker? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, the issue of choosing Above and Beyond magazine is one of latitude, which we give to departments. I'm aware of this letter and, once he gets his letter as well, he will know that this issue was discussed and the choosing of Above and Beyond was because of the arrangement they were willing to make. Like the honourable Member is indicating, Above and Beyond actively sells itself to government, to try to encourage their use. They give special deals, where they print additional copies for other uses.

I was aware of his letter. We discussed it and I answered his letter. When Mr. Morin wanted to deal with the Housing Corporation, he indicated that this was the magazine he wanted to use and I supported his decision, considering his arguments about what they were providing. The Government of the Northwest Territories extensively uses the newspapers for all its tenders and employment notices. It is not as though we are not spending money on a weekly basis with other publications, because we are, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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The Speaker

Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for Baffin South , Mr. Pudlat .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Kenoayoak Pudlat

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Madam Speaker. Madam Speaker, my question is directed to the Minister of Health and Social Services. We currently receive child tax rebates but, for some reason, there seems to be a problem. Madam Speaker, we are aware that if a person is making a good income, they are not eligible for child tax rebates. Because of that, Madam Speaker, we are experiencing some problems.

This is another problem related to income tax returns that are not being properly filled out. I wonder if the Minister of Social Services can help to rectify this problem? Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Minister of Social Services , Madam Premier .

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Nellie Cournoyea

Nunakput

Madam Speaker, I would concur that this is a tax issue and perhaps the question should be directed to the Minister of Finance .

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Minister of Finance , Mr. Pollard .

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John Pollard

Hay River

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Good afternoon. Madam Speaker, I'll look into the situation. If I remember correctly, the federal tax people were going to be in Baffin this past tax year, at the end of the tax year, and they may not have gotten to all the communities. So I'll go back and check and report back to the Member, Madam Speaker. Thank you.

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Jeannie Marie-Jewell

Thank you. Item 6, oral questions. The honourable Member for North Slave , Mr. Zoe .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. My question will be directed to the Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs. I would like to ask the Minister -- since she is in charge of that department -- with regard to the reorganization of MACA, did she concur with the decision of her deputy minister to reorganize that particular department this past summer? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Madam Speaker, yes.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. Prior to making her decision, was the Minister satisfied with the rationale provided for those changes and also for the anticipated benefits that would accrue from doing this reorganizing? Thank you.

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Rebecca Mike

Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Yes.

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Supplementary, Madam Speaker. Since she did agree with the information or the rationale, could the Minister advise the House if there have been any layoffs by this reorganizing? Thank you.

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Baffin Central

Thank you, Madam Speaker. There have not been any layoffs as of this date.

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Thank you. Final supplementary, Mr. Zoe .

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Henry Zoe

North Slave

Thank you, Madam Speaker. Could I ask the honourable Minister of Municipal and Community Affairs if she could provide the rationale that was provided through her office which she based her decision on, to the House or to me? Thank you.

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