Debates of March 23rd, 1999

This is page numbers 63 - 90 of the Hansard for the 13th Assembly, 7th Session. The original version can be accessed on the Legislative Assembly's website or by contacting the Legislative Assembly Library.

The word of the day was social .

Topics

Members Present

Item 1: Prayer

Point Of Privilege

Honouring Commissioner Helen Maksagak

Social Union Framework Agreement

New Business Start-ups In The Northwest Territories

Passing Of Rachel Robert And Annie Vaneltsi

Aboriginal Summit Requests Regarding Electoral Boundaries Issues

Enhanced Role Of Youth In The New Western Territory

Lack Of Rcmp Highway Patrols Along Highway 3

Regards And Best Wishes To John Arnalukjuak

Government Contracting Policies

Rankin Inlet Atom Hockey Tournament

GNWT Hiring Process

Return To Oral Question 18-13(7): Update On Down Payment Assistance Program

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Negotiated Contract Policy

Gasoline Quality In Gjoa Haven

Western Health And Social Services Review

GNWT Hiring Process

Negotiated Contract Policy Review

Firearms Regulations Implementation

Nwtpc Fuel Supply Contract

Status Of Baffin Regional Hospital

New Venture Capital Program

Health And Social Services Strategic Planning

Free Vote On Motion To Appeal: 5-13(7)

Seniors' Tax Forms

Statements Made By Cabinet Members

Classification Of Registered Nurses

Compensation For Non-union Employees

GNWT Pay Equity Obligation

Petition 2-13(7): Liquor Licensing In Resolute Bay

Item 12: Reports Of Committees On The Review Of Bills

Tabled Document 10-13(7): Northwest Territories Liquor Commission 44th Annual Report

Tabled Document 11-13(7): Northwest Territories Public Utilities Board Annual Report 1998

Tabled Document 12-13(7): Letters Regarding Liquor License Granted In Resolute Bay

Tabled Document 13-13(7): Western NWT Aboriginal Summit Letter To Minister Jane Stewart Regarding NWT Electoral Boundaries

Tabled Document 14-13(7): Letter To Ministry Of Justice From Brian Wallace Regarding Application To Vary The Electoral Boundaries Decision

Bill 9: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 5, 1998-99

Bill 13:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Bill 15:

An Act To Amend The Legislative Assembly And Executive Council Act

Bill 16:

An Act To Amend The Supplementary Retiring Allowances Act

Bill 9: Supplementary Appropriation Act, No. 5, 1998-99

Bill 13:

An Act To Amend The Financial Administration Act

Item 19: Consideration In Committee Of The Whole Of Bills And Other Matters

Item 20: Report Of Committee Of The Whole

Bill 1: Division Measures Act, 1999

Bill 2: Nunavut Statutes Amendment Act, 1999

Bill 3: Legal Registries Division Measures Act, 1999

Bill 4: Northwest Territories Power Corporation Division Measures Act

Bill 5: Nunavut Power Utilities Statutes Amendment Act

Bill 6:

An Act To Amend The Pubic Utilities Act

Bill 8: Interim Appropriation Act, 1999-00

Item 22: Orders Of The Day

Members Present

Honourable Jim Antoine , Honourable Goo Arlooktoo , Mr. Barnabas , Honourable Charles Dent , Mr. Erasmus , Mr. Evaloarjuk , Honourable Sam Gargan, Mrs. Groenewegen , Mr. Henry , Honourable Stephen Kakfwi , Mr. Krutko , Mr. Miltenberger , Mr. Morin , Honourable Kelvin Ng , Mr. Ningark , Mr. O'Brien , Mr. Ootes , Mr. Picco , Mr. Rabesca , Honourable Floyd Roland , Honourable Manitok Thompson , Honourable John Todd .

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Oh, God, may your spirit and guidance be in us as we work for the benefit of all our people, for peace and justice in our land and for the constant recognition of the dignity and aspirations of those whom we serve. Amen.

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Item 1: Prayer

Item 1: Prayer

Page 63

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you, Mr. Evaloarjuk . Good afternoon. Before we proceed with the orders of the day, I would like to extend a special welcome on behalf of the Legislative Assembly of the Northwest Territories and recognize, in the Speaker's gallery, the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, Her Honour Commissioner Helen Maksagak.

--Applause

We are honouring the Commissioner today for her work over the years as the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories. She broke new ground for the position. She is the first woman to become the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories and she is the first Inuk to hold the position. She is also the last Commissioner of the Northwest Territories as we know it now.

I would like all Members to join me in welcoming the Commissioner to the House. I would also like to remind Members that a special reception will be held for the Commissioner in the Great Hall at 3:00 p.m. this afternoon.

Welcome, Commissioner, to the Legislative Assembly.

--Applause

I would also like to recognize in the Speaker's gallery the Deputy Commissioner, Mr. Dan Marion.

--Applause

We have a point of privilege. Mr. Morin .

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Point Of Privilege

Item 1: Prayer

Page 63

Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today on a point of privilege. Mr. Speaker, it is an unquestioned right of every Member of this Assembly to speak out on any issue. This is one of the most important, if not the most important privilege that we have as Members of this Assembly. Indeed, Mr. Speaker, I note that this privilege has been consistently been recognized by Assemblies throughout Canada and the Commonwealth, and has been affirmed and recognized by the courts in terms of a special status granted to statements made by Members in the Legislature. Mr.

Speaker, tomorrow this Assembly will be debating a motion that is fundamental to the very structure and future of this Assembly. We will be debating the most important issue which we have faced in the life of the 13th Assembly, namely the confirmation of our Assembly and our relationships with aboriginal governments and aboriginal leaders.

Given the crucial importance of tomorrow's debate, Mr. Speaker, I believe that it is a vital issue and key to the issue of freedom of speech, that the Speaker be permitted, indeed urged, to participate in tomorrow's debate. While I appreciate that it has been a long-standing parliamentary convention that the Speaker not take

part in the debate, with the greatest of respect to this convention, I believe that the privilege of freedom of speech should prevail over this convention for the purpose of tomorrow's debate.

I recognize that one of the main reasons that you do not participate in debate, Mr. Speaker, is to ensure the impartiality of the chair. Yet, Mr. Speaker, the Chairperson of committee of the whole, the Deputy Speaker, both routinely participate in debate. No one could argue that you are less impartial when you are in the chair because of the fact that they participate in the debate. We respect their impartiality in the chair and we also respect their words in the House when they speak in debate.

Mr. Speaker, the same is true of you. While you are in the chair, we respect your neutrality and impartiality. This respect is not eroded if you participate in debate. Mr. Speaker, should you sit in the chair tomorrow, you will be denied the freedom to speak on this very important issue and you will be deprived of the opportunity to air your views. You are the most senior Member of this Legislature and your views should be known on this crucial debate tomorrow.

Mr. Speaker, I believe this is unfair and wrong and that you should not be prevented from participating in the debate tomorrow. Mr. Speaker, your inability to speak tomorrow because of adherence to this convention is an affront to your rights and to the right of every Member in this Legislature to hear your views on this very important issue.

Mr. Speaker, I ask that you permit debate on the issue of whether there is a prima facie breach of your privileges and the privileges of every Member in this House. Thank you, with respect, Mr. Speaker.

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Point Of Privilege

Item 1: Prayer

Page 63

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. To remind the Member from Tu Nedhe that I am aware of my privilege in this House. The Member did rise on a point of privilege, and to rise on a point of privilege is for a Member that has been denied the privilege in this House. I would like ask whether or not anybody in this House has denied him the privilege to talk or has denied him any

proceedings in the House to make him rise to the point of privilege? Mr. Morin .

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Point Of Privilege

Item 1: Prayer

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Don Morin

Tu Nedhe

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. On my point of privilege, what I am basically saying to all Members in this Legislative Assembly is that as the Speaker of the Legislative Assembly, you are always neutral and you always have our respect. We always know that you are there to take care of the sitting of this House. But also, when you became Speaker of the Legislative Assembly, we also know you have given up your voice in this House. I believe that tomorrow is a very crucial time for the new Western Territory and you are also a Member of the Western Territory as a MLA from Deh Cho.

I believe that my privilege is being infringed on as a Member of the Legislative Assembly because your privilege is being infringed on. You are not given the opportunity to participate in the debate tomorrow. You are not given the opportunity to speak through the debate tomorrow on this one crucial issue because you are sitting in the chair. I believe that as a Member of your riding the people that your represent should have the right to hear what you have to say. I, for one, would gladly acknowledge and hear what you have to say from your seat tomorrow.

This is a unique opportunity for us. In nine days, we will be moving to division. That is April 1, 1999, we will be moving into division. We have the opportunity by having the Deputy Speaker sitting in this House that is a Member of the Nunavut Caucus that could take the chair, allowing the western Member that is sitting in the Speaker's Chair to participate in the debate. I believe that by not allowing you to participate in the debate and vote tomorrow that this would infringe on your rights and ultimately would be infringing on all Members' rights of this Legislative Assembly. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Point Of Privilege

Item 1: Prayer

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Morin , I have in front of me the rule books that apply to all the Members that are in this House, and the privileges that they exercise as elected officials. As the Speaker, I cannot rule on myself, nor interpret what my privileges should be. I have not risen on that point of privilege either. I would appreciate if the Members would rise on their own point of privilege if they feel that they have been denied to speak or been denied to vote or been denied any other processes in this House to the Members.

However, I would appreciate if the Members would refrain from what my privileges are when I am sitting in this chair. I do not see any point of privilege here. Orders of the day. Item 2, Ministers' statements. Mr. Antoine .

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Minister's Statement 14-13(7): Honouring Commissioner Helen Maksagak

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today to pay tribute to a very special person, the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories, the Honourable Helen Maksagak. Mrs. Maksagak has been our Commissioner since 1995. Before that, she was the Deputy Commissioner starting in 1992.

The role of Commissioner has changed substantially since the beginning of this century. It used to be that the Prime Minister appointed a Commissioner from the civil service in Ottawa. These people carried out the role of Commissioner in addition to their regular jobs and the Commissioner held a great deal of authority. The role of Commissioner started to change about 20 years ago, when the Legislative Assembly began to have elected Members. As the Legislative Assembly took on more responsibilities and powers, the Commissioner became more like the lieutenant-governors in the provinces.

The Commissioner continues to play an important role in our government today, providing the final assent to our legislation and administering the oaths of office, among her other responsibilities. The Commissioner is a representative of the Northwest Territories, both outside the North and when dignitaries and important visitors come here.

When people meet Helen Maksagak, they meet someone who has devoted her life to public service. In addition to raising six children, Mrs. Maksagak has been a foster mother and managed a centre for northern patients travelling south for medical care. Mrs. Maksagak has worked with young offenders and battered woman. She has served on many boards and agencies, including the NWT Round Table on the Environment. She is also an active church member.

Throughout her terms as Deputy Commissioner and Commissioner, Mrs. Maksagak has carried out her duties with dignity and modesty. We are lucky to have such a person to represent us. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 14-13(7): Honouring Commissioner Helen Maksagak

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Mr. Ng .

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Minister's Statement 15-13(7): Social Union Framework Agreement

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 64

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, social programs like medicare and education are the most significant identifying aspect characterizing Canadian society from coast to coast to coast. On February 4, 1999, the Premier of the Northwest Territories, the Honourable Jim Antoine , signed an important intergovernmental agreement, addressing the future of social programs in this country. This agreement is called, A Framework to Improve The Social Union For Canadians. As Minister responsible for social union negotiations, I wish to provide Members of this Assembly with details of the social union framework.

Mr. Speaker, the social union is an agreement between the federal government and all the provinces and territories, with the exception of the province of Quebec. By signing this document, governments agreed to a new set of rules which set out the roles and responsibilities and the manner in which new Canada-wide social programs are funded and developed. The agreement addresses social policy and funding for new national programs in the areas of health, post-secondary education, labour market training and social services.

Mr. Speaker, the agreement is made up of six key elements. These elements include

- a set of national social policy principles,

- provisions to address the issue of mobility of Canadians, - provisions to develop a greater level of accountability for social programs in jurisdictions across the country,

- guidelines which will provide for a more cooperative development of social policy and programs,

- a set of rules which will guide the use of the federal spending power, and, finally,

- a mechanism to deal with disputes in social policy sectors.

Mr. Speaker, the agreement also recognizes the constitutionality of the rights of aboriginal peoples. The Social Union Agreement is positive for the Northwest Territories in a number of ways.

- First, it gives certainty to residents of the Northwest Territories, in matters that involve new national social programs, northern residents will be treated with the same fairness as all residents of Canada.

- Second, Mr. Speaker, under the terms of the social union, all governments have agreed to share information and best practices and to consult with each other prior to changing existing programming.

- The federal government has also agreed to provide notice and to consult with the territorial government when it intends to introduce any new social transfer.

- Flexibility is built into these arrangements, providing for equitable treatment by taking into account the diverse circumstances of the Northwest Territories.

- Mr. Speaker, the federal government has also agreed to put any disputes arising in social policy and funding arrangements into a dispute avoidance forum, something that currently does not exist. This is a positive step for social policy in Canada.

Mr. Speaker, under the agreement, all governments are committed to ensuring that Canadians, wherever they reside, can access social programs which are of a consistent nature across the country. As well, governments have agreed to monitor and measure social program outcomes, and to publicly account for the results they intend to achieve in their social programs. In this manner, Mr. Speaker, the residents of the NWT will be informed of the results and goals of northern public social programs.

Mr. Speaker, Canadians have become concerned about the state of their social programs. The Social Union Agreement will provide greater certainty to all Canadians that governments are committed to delivering the best social programs in an affordable manner. The Government of the Northwest Territories is committed to delivering high quality programs and to ensuring that social programs for northern residents are affordable and on par with those delivered by all governments in Canada. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 15-13(7): Social Union Framework Agreement

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 65

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Ministers' statements. Mr. Kakfwi .

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Minister's Statement 16-13(7): New Business Start-ups In The Northwest Territories

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 65

Stephen Kakfwi

Sahtu

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, for the second day in a row. Mr. Speaker, a strong, independent and successful business community provides the backbone of a vital northern economy. Helping to build a strong business community is one of the main objectives of the Government of the Northwest Territories.

I am pleased today to announce that the northern business community is growing at a steady rate. Our trade and investment division reports new business start-ups during the year 1998 reached 293. That is a considerable increase from the 1997 figure of 102. During 1998, each region of the Northwest Territories benefited from new business start-ups. In the Baffin, 42 new businesses were opened; in the Sahtu, 12 new businesses were started; while in Inuvik, 42 new businesses began operating. Other regions saw similar growth in their business communities.

The greatest development was in the start-up of businesses offering trades and services. New businesses in this sector were developed in each region. More than 30 new businesses offering trades and services opened in both the South Slave and Inuvik regions. Other new businesses in arts and crafts, construction and travel and tourism sectors began operations in several regions. The North Slave region saw an increase in business growth in several other sectors including manufacturing, forestry, minerals, oil and gas, as well as transportation, communications and utilities.

Mr. Speaker, each of these new businesses received a personal letter of congratulations and an information package from the Department of Resources, Wildlife and Economic Development. The package contains valuable information on economic programs available in the Northwest Territories, an application for the Business Incentive Policy and a complimentary portfolio manufactured by Fort McPherson Tent and Canvas.

Once again, I would like to congratulate everyone who started new businesses in 1998 and offer my encouragement to all those considering or planning to start a new business this year. Their commitment to our northern communities will help us build a strong and vibrant economy. Thank you.

--Applause

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Minister's Statement 16-13(7): New Business Start-ups In The Northwest Territories

Item 2: Ministers' Statements

Page 65

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Ministers' statements. Item 3, Members' statements. Mr. Krutko .

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Member's Statement 39-13(7): Passing Of Rachel Robert And Annie Vaneltsi

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 65

David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I stand today with sad news of the passing of Mrs. Rachael Roberts of Fort McPherson last night at 1:10 a.m. Mrs. Roberts was a

wonderful 94-year-old lady who was born May 13, 1904, in Fort McPherson. She will be greatly missed by her family, her grandchildren and her great-grandchildren. Also, all the people of Fort McPherson who knew Mrs. Roberts will greatly miss her.

Mr. Speaker, I would also like to send condolences to the Vaneltsi family, who sadly lost Mrs. Annie Vaneltsi on Saturday, March 13, 1999. Mr. Speaker, I would like to mention at this time that Mrs. Rachael Roberts and Mrs. Annie Vaneltsi were elders of 94 years of age and were good friends throughout their entire lives. They both attended school in Hay River during their younger years. As I mentioned, my condolences go out to the Roberts family and the Vaneltsi family today. Thank you.

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Member's Statement 39-13(7): Passing Of Rachel Robert And Annie Vaneltsi

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 66

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Miltenberger .

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Member's Statement 40-13(7): Aboriginal Summit Requests Regarding Electoral Boundaries Issues

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 66

Michael Miltenberger

Thebacha

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as most of us are aware, the Aboriginal Summit has written to Minister Stewart to outline extensively their strong concerns about what they see as the NWT constitutional crisis arising from the electoral boundaries court decision and they make six specific requests of the Minister. Mr. Speaker, I can, in fact, support some of those requests that the federal government publicly support negotiations of a political solution between the Legislative Assembly, GNWT and the aboriginal governments of the western NWT.

I also am not opposed to the idea of amendments that would increase our terms from four to five years to bring us in line with other jurisdictions. I also think it would be a good idea for the federal government to join in and support an appeal of this decision based on the aboriginal rights questions raised by the Summit.

However, Mr. Speaker, as a Member of this duly elected public Government of the Northwest Territories, I cannot support the other three points, where they ask basically for the abolition of an elected public government in the western Northwest Territories. Mr. Speaker, I believe it is going to be critical for us, as a territory, to have in fact a strong central public government to work with our aboriginal partners to move ahead as a territory to provide standards, to provide support services to the people, all the people of the Northwest Territories.

I will continue to oppose 19 seats, I will continue to support the issue of an appeal, but I will also, under no circumstances, support anything or any calls to possibly abolish or put this House in jeopardy of limiting its rights to function as a duly elected body. Worse yet, I would not support the thought or the proposal to in fact request the Minister to turn over the running of the government to an appointed council or, worse yet, a federal civil servant. That would be a return to colonialism that would be unacceptable, I think, to all the people of the Northwest Territories.

What we have to do is come up with a negotiated settlement, get the time to do that, so that we can resolve these problems as a territory, without having Ottawa come in and tell us what to do. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause.

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Member's Statement 40-13(7): Aboriginal Summit Requests Regarding Electoral Boundaries Issues

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 66

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Ootes .

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Member's Statement 41-13(7): Enhanced Role Of Youth In The New Western Territory

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 66

Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, on the eve of division I am drawn to visualize the future of our new Western Territory. There are many things our government, our communities, our aboriginal leaders are occupied with:

-economic development;

-land claims;

-self-government;

-local government.

Very crucial and important matters indeed, but not the only areas in need of our attention. We must also concern ourselves with our youth, our future workforce, the talented individuals who will lead our society in the next century. Our youth have an innate desire to work, to do well, to excel and what we need to do is give our youth that opportunity to excel. There are many who are graduating from our high schools, from colleges, from universities, who are seeking job opportunities. We must provide them with that opportunity.

There are also many who are facing the social and emotional problems that are out there:

-substance abuse;

-violence;

-teen pregnancies.

These issues cross many boundaries; they are not solely issues of education, nor of health. They are issues for our communities, for our leaders, for our parents to address. What we need is a government vision, a vision that builds the capacity of our youth. The government needs to support and promote a society that desires to make its young people a focus of its programs. We need to get back at bolstering the moral fibre of our citizens. We need to help parents to care about their teenagers; communities to care about their young people.

By dedicating our energies in the next decade to our youth, we cannot only move to becoming a rich society and a powerful society, but to be the great society of the Canadian mosaic. Let us keep our eyes on the stars and do the possible for our youth. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 41-13(7): Enhanced Role Of Youth In The New Western Territory

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 66

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. Rabesca .

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Member's Statement 42-13(7): Lack Of Rcmp Highway Patrols Along Highway 3

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 66

James Rabesca

North Slave

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, today I would like to discuss an issue that I have previously raised in this House, that being the lack of RCMP highway patrols along Highway 3. Mr. Speaker, as you may be aware, every year the traffic on this highway increases considerably. In the winter we have many trucks driving this road; in the summer we have more and more tourists coming north to explore our land. Currently, highway patrols are done on a very limited basis. While I understand the RCMP are dealing with the same problems we all face with limited resources, it is very important that patrols are made.

Mr. Speaker, I understand that the RCMP is currently looking at the possibility of setting up a permanent highway patrol section. I also understand that, if this goes ahead, these positions will be based in Hay River and Yellowknife. To this, all I can say is why not put these positions in the communities that are mostly affected by this road, that is Rae-Edzo and Fort Providence. If the patrols were located in those two communities, better response time could be realized if an accident occurred and it would be easier for patrols to take place on a regular basis.

I would also be interested to see a training program set up that could operate much the same as the Community Constable Program, whereby local residents could be trained to provide this valuable service. Currently, the Community Constable Program is proving to be a very good program and is viewed as a step toward community policing. By also having local residents trained to provide highway patrols, this could also be seen as a further step toward community policing.

If the communities affected by highways can take on the responsibility to govern and patrol our highways, I believe a better system could be realized. Training at the local level can provide employment in areas of high unemployment, as well as provide a better understanding and relationship with the RCMP and the community. By working together, many opportunities can be achieved and this may be one area that the RCMP and the Department of Justice could look at.

In closing, I can only say that I fully support the RCMP in placing highway patrol staff in the smaller communities that are affected the most by the highway system, and to call for a training program to assist RCMP in providing this service. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Member's Statement 42-13(7): Lack Of Rcmp Highway Patrols Along Highway 3

Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mr. O'Brien .

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Member's Statement 43-13(7): Regards And Best Wishes To John Arnalukjuak

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 67

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to send good wishes and good health to my very good friend, one of my constituents and one of the pioneers of Nunavut, Mr. John Arnalukjuak, Sr. Mr. Speaker, John is a living legend, a well-respected elder and a man who has given freely of himself for the past half-century, not only to the people of Arviat, but to the people of Nunavut. Mr. Speaker, John is somewhat under the weather and, John if you are listening, I hope you are feeling better soon so you can join me in Iqaluit on April 1st for the historic Nunavut celebrations. Thank you.

--Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Members' statements. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Member's Statement 44-13(7): Government Contracting Policies

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 67

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, there has been quite a bit of controversy recently over negotiated contracts. I want to make it very clear that I can appreciate the benefit of negotiated contracts in some circumstances. If employed properly and when the intended objectives are realized, negotiated contracts can do a great deal of good in developing our northern economy.

What I have been suggesting, and what may not be understood, is that I believe it is time to assess and evaluate negotiated contracts as a business incentive tool to determine if they are being used to the benefit of developing northern labour and markets, and if they are being directed where they are most needed and if the premium sometimes paid to negotiate a contract is a cost which can be rationalized to the benefits obtained.

It has been approximately 12 years since the negotiated contract policy was developed. It is time to articulate what we have accomplished, in which instances we have achieved benefits and in which cases we have not translated into real benefits. I believe it can be safely stated that economic initiatives such as negotiated contracts, the Business Incentive Policy, business development fund contributions, economic development agreements, et cetera, have aided in bringing about the current reality whereby greater than 90 percent of all government purchases of goods and services are provided by northern companies.

That having been accomplished, we need to assess what has worked and what has not worked, what may now be obsolete given the diminished role of southern bidders in the northern market place. For example, the Business Incentive Policy is an adjustment applied to all contracts. If all bidders are northern BIP registered companies, perhaps we need to look at the cost of administering this registry and applying this adjustment to all contracts.

Has there been a shift, a sufficient shift, in the purchasing philosophy in government departments and agencies where we could safely trust that this type of protection for northern companies is no longer an issue? Are issues of market disruption, political peace, transparency, cost efficiency and fairness being addressed by current practices of Business Incentive Policies, such as negotiated contracts? Recently, at a meeting of the NWT Chamber of the Commerce in Hay River, a motion was passed which is an interesting suggestion. The motion was that the GNWT be encouraged to publish, Mr. Speaker, I am going to have to seek unanimous consent to conclude my statement. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 67

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

The Member for Hay River is seeking unanimous consent to conclude her statement. Do we have any nays? I am sorry, Mrs. Groenewegen , you do not have unanimous consent. Members' statements. Mr. Picco .

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Member's Statement 45-13(7): Rankin Inlet Atom Hockey Tournament

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 67

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Good afternoon. Mr. Speaker, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the good people of Rankin Inlet, who recently hosted several Atom hockey teams for a tournament over there. Mr. Speaker, the Iqaluit team was ably coached by Craig Dunphy and Carl McLean and assisted by parents, Ben Kovic and Brian Aglukark, who also made the trip to Rankin Inlet. Mr. Speaker, the volunteers who worked tirelessly to pull off these tournaments, the coaches and the officials, need to be recognized.

The Iqaluit team pulled an early upset by defeating the eventual champion, Hay River. I understand from my son, Wally, who played with the Iqaluit team, that the highlight in Rankin Inlet was the Red Top. I will make it a point the next time I am in Rankin Inlet to drop by the Red Top and see what it is all about. I guess in conclusion, Mr. Speaker, I would again like to thank the people of Rankin Inlet for the hospitality that they showed during the team's stay in the community.

--Applause

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 68

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Mr. Erasmus .

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Member's Statement 46-13(7): GNWT Hiring Process

Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 68

Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I rise today to speak about restoring faith in the government hiring process. Mr. Speaker, as other Members in this House have had occasion to travel to other communities and it seems that no matter where I go, whether it is Fort Smith, Hay River, Fort Providence, people are concerned with the hiring process. They are concerned with the inconsistencies between the different departments, the different processes that they use to hire people. They are concerned that people who have been laid off are supposed to have a priority when hiring is done, but they cannot even apply on most jobs because most of the jobs are internal competitions.

People are concerned that there is no central agency, that there is no independent person in the hiring process to ensure fairness. People are complaining that they get an interview, but that they have been told that they blew the interview even though they are well qualified for the job, therefore no job. People are complaining that there is no sense of fairness, that the only people in the hiring process are from the department itself and it is too easy to manipulate the end result. Mr. Speaker, plain and simply, the public has lost faith in our hiring process. We need to restore that faith.

Recently the Premier went on television and addressed the NWT and indicated he wanted to restore public confidence in our government, he wanted an open, accountable and transparent government. One of the best ways to do this is to restore faith in the hiring process. Mr. Speaker, it is important that our hiring process not only be fair, but it must appear to be fair. What I am saying is that it may be fair now, but it does not seem accountable, it does not seem to be fair. If we put an independent body into the hiring process from the start to the finish, this will verify fairness and accountability. Mr.

Speaker, at the appropriate time I will be asking the Premier questions in this area. Thank you.

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Item 3: Members' Statements

Page 68

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Members' statements. Item 4, returns to oral questions. Mr. Arlooktoo .

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Return To Oral Question 18-13(7): Update On Down Payment Assistance Program

Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 68

Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I have a return to an oral question asked by Mr. Steen on March 16, 1999, on the Down Payment Assistance Program. Mr. Steen asked whether there was a residency requirement attached to the Minimum Down Payment Assistance Pilot Program (MDAPP).

Mr. Speaker, the objective of the MDAPP is to provide financial incentives to individuals or families, regardless of income, to become homeowners as a means of stimulating economic activity. The target audiences for this pilot program are NWT residents who lack the savings required for a down payment, those residents who may wish to move from one community to another in order to access employment or training opportunities and workers on rotational shifts who work in the NWT, but live in the south.

Mr. Speaker, because the NWT Housing Corporation is trying to attract these rotational workers to take up residence in the NWT, there is no residency requirement for this pilot program. If there was a residency requirement, Mr. Speaker, then these workers who earn a living in the NWT, but pay their taxes and spend their wages down south, would not be attracted to move up here.

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Item 4: Returns To Oral Questions

Page 68

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Returns to oral questions. Item 5, recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ningark .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

Page 68

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am honoured to recognize a number of people in the gallery, returning officers during Nunavut's first election. We have, bear with me, if I misread your names here, from Akulliq, Ms. Sarah Kidlapik; Amittuq; Ms. Catherine Piugattuk; Cambridge Bay, Ms. Jean Kaniak; Iqaluit Center, Ms. Annie Nooshoota; Iqaluit East, Ms. Meakie Pudlat; Iqaluit West, Ms. Wende Halonen; Kugluktuk, Ms. Agnes Allen; Nanulik, Ms. Liveena Kudluk; Nattilik, Ms. Nee Porter; Pangnirtung, Mr. Bill Kilabuk; Quttiktuq, Mr. Dan Leaman; Rankin Inlet North, Ms.

Sandy Kusugak; Rankin Inlet South-Whale Cove, Ms. Elizabeth Dunkerley; South Baffin, Ms. Nina Manning Toonoo; Tunnuniq, Mr. Silas Takawgak; Uqqummiut, Mr. Peter Iqalukjuak; Nunavut Elections Office - Iqaluit, Deputy Chief Electoral Officer, Mr. Joshie Teemotee Mitsima; Administration Assistant, Ms. Kooyoo Nooshoota; Deputy Chief Electoral Officer of the NWT, Mr. Speaker, Glen McLean; and finally, Mr. Speaker, Coordinator of Training and Information, Mr. Brian Armstrong.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 68

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Welcome to the Assembly. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Ng .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 68

Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to recognize Commissioner Helen Maksagak; her eldest son Harry, who is accompanying her; two constituents have been pointed out by my honourable colleague, Mr. Ningark , Agnes Aklok from Kugluktuk and Jean Kuneyuna from Cambridge Bay; and also I would like to recognize Deputy Commissioner Dan Marion. Thank you.

--Applause

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Page 68

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Henry .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 68

Seamus Henry

Yellowknife South

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, probably someone that really does not need to be recognized, I think we all know him, but I would like to take this opportunity to recognize Mr. Tony Whitford, constituent of Yellowknife South

and assistant to the Commissioner of the Northwest Territories. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

--Applause

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 69

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Picco .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 69

Edward Picco

Iqaluit

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to welcome to the gallery a well known Iqaluit resident, Wende Halonen, who is a tireless worker for Iqaluit daycares and a well known writer of the Iqaluit Tea Talk column in News North and our Iqaluit returning officers just mentioned by Mr. Ningark . Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 69

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Antoine .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 69

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, all MLAs, especially when you are a Minister, you spend a lot of time in Yellowknife and we usually have constituency assistants that take care of things for you in the community, so I would like to recognize Mr. Bob Villeneuve, he is my constituency assistant from Nahendeh.

--Applause

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Page 69

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Barnabas .

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Page 69

Levi Barnabas

High Arctic

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would also like to recognize Mr. Dan Leaman, he is the Returning officer in Resolute Bay and also the SAO in Resolute Bay. I would also like to recognize Bill Kilabuk, my long time colleague and friend, Returning officer from Pangnirtung. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Page 69

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. O'Brien .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 69

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I cannot really see up there, but I would like to recognize, if she is there, Nancy Kalluak, Returning officer for Arviat. Thank you.

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Page 69

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Recognition of visitors in the gallery. Mr. Evaloarjuk .

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 69

Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I recognize the Amittuq constituents sitting with the people from Iqaluit and the elections officers from Hall Beach, also.(Translation ends)

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Item 5: Recognition Of Visitors In The Gallery

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Page 69

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Recognition of visitors in the gallery. For those that have not been recognized in the gallery, welcome to the Assembly. Item 6, oral questions. Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 19-13(7): Negotiated Contract Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 69

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, at a recent meeting of the NWT Chamber of Commerce in Hay River, a motion was passed and it went to this effect: that the GNWT be encouraged to publish in local newspapers, and perhaps post on a Web site, intention to negotiate a contract, the name of the sponsoring department and the supporting MLA, and these should all be identified in a short ad together with the rationale for the negotiated contract and the budget allocation forecasted as the cost of the contract. Apparently this is a methodology that is used in Nunavut already for negotiated contracts. It seems like a reasonable suggestion on the transparency issue.

I was wondering, Mr. Speaker, if the Minister responsible for business development would be the appropriate Minister to say, has the government had an opportunity to consider the suggestion yet? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 69

The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Thank you. Mr. Premier .

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Question 19-13(7): Negotiated Contract Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 69

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think the honourable Member asked for the Minister responsible for business development, but I would like to respond and say that this government does have a negotiated contract policy and the request that the honourable Member is asking for is not included in the negotiated policy guidelines. It is something that we will have to review and any suggestions that come forward we would have to take a look at. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 19-13(7): Negotiated Contract Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 69

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you. Mr. Speaker, this was a motion and a suggestion that was passed on to the government by the NWT Chamber of Commerce and so I understand the Premier to say that they have not had a chance to consider this yet, but would be willing to consider such a policy to be incorporated with the negotiated contract policy? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Question 19-13(7): Negotiated Contract Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 69

Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am told that we are reviewing the policy and I know that this negotiated contract is a very hot item for some of the Members here and it has been in the press and so forth. We are aware of it, and as such we are reviewing the policy at this time. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Question 19-13(7): Negotiated Contract Policy

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 69

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I am aware that not only the NWT Chamber of Commerce but also the NWT Construction Association and other organizations who are, I

guess, stakeholders in the business community in the North, are interested in having input on such a review. I am wondering if there is any process in place at this time to solicit input from other organizations? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Samuel Gargan

Mr. Antoine .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am told the consultation was done over the last year and at this time we are reviewing, internally with the input that we have received over the last year. Thank you.

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Item 6: Oral Questions

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The Speaker

Samuel Gargan

Oral questions. Supplementary, Mrs. Groenewegen .

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Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 70

Jane Groenewegen

Hay River

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Does the Premier anticipate that this consultation will result in a document that will be tabled in this House at some point in time? Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, with the input that we have acquired and the review that we are going through, we have to look at the policy and if the policy has to change then we will have to further consult other Members. I am sure there are opposing views to what the honourable Member is requesting here and that it is a matter that has to be reviewed by this House. As such we will have to bring forward any changes to that policy when it is done.

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Question 20-13(7): Gasoline Quality In Gjoa Haven

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 70

John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister of Public Works and Services . Mr. Speaker, I have received a letter from the Mayor of Gjoa Haven and copies of other letters from other government officials. The letter was written to the government official in Cambridge Bay by the Mayor of Gjoa Haven. The letter that I received is in regards to bad, contaminated or poor quality gasoline in Gjoa Haven supplied by this government. I do not need to go into detail because the Minister has received the same letter. My question to the honourable Minister is, Mr. Speaker, what has the government done to deal with this matter at this point in time? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in response, the department has requested some samples of spark plugs and other equipment from the machines that were affected so that they could send them out for sampling to see indeed if it is gas quality that is the problem. The department has sent a petroleum products officer into the community to test the gas itself and the initial reports back are that the gas quality is the same as in other communities around the area. There needs to be further work done in the area to see it there are other possible causes to what is happening in this community. Thank you.

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John Ningark

Natilikmiot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I thank the honourable Minister for a positive response. My supplementary question, is the government continuing to monitor the quality of gasoline in Gjoa Haven? Thank you.

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Floyd Roland

Inuvik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The department has monitored the quality of the gas in the community. It is the same gas that is delivered to a number of other communities along that area and to date the reports have come back that the gas quality itself is good, as I stated earlier. We are looking at other things. There has been a request made to those concerned to supply some additional information and I know that, for example, as I have said earlier, spark plugs and so on that were affected were sent to a laboratory in the south to see what the potential causes could be and when we have those responses we will be getting back to the Member and the community affected. Thank you.

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Question 21-13(7): Western Health And Social Services Review

Item 6: Oral Questions

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question is to the Minister of Health and Social Services , regarding his statement that he made yesterday. It was regarding the consideration and review of health and social services in the new Western Territory. Mr. Speaker, I would like to ask the Minister exactly how are they going to be looking at this. Is it going to be a system-wide review of all health and social services delivered in the Western Territory; also, considering that there will be some terms of reference?

In regard to the independence of such a public review where I have tabled petitions in this House asking for an inquiry, I would like to ask the Minister exactly how soon does he see this process happening and what is the avenue that it is going to take?

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to ask the Minister regarding the review process of the health and social services of the Western Territory, how soon will this process proceed?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can foresee that we would want to get it up and running as soon as possible. The plan is now to finalize the terms of reference, to identify some individuals possibly that could sit on the panel or the forum or whatever you would like to call it, and send them off to address some of these concerns by having some public input throughout the Western Territories. I would think from a timeline prospective, probably by the middle of April, late April at the latest, in respect of having it up and running, but obviously there are going to be factors in getting to that point. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Has the department developed terms of reference for such a committee and exactly what the role of the committee will be during the review?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I had indicated, the terms of reference are currently being drafted and they have not been finalized to date. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I think that it is very apparent that a lot of concerns that have come forth have come from the smaller communities, and I would like to ask the Minister what kind of assurances can he give to the smaller communities that they will have representatives on this committee and be fully involved in any review of the health and social services in the Western Territory?

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can assure the Member that the goal is to have as much input as possible from constituents throughout the western Northwest Territories, particularly those in the smaller communities that might not have as easy access to some of the individuals and professionals that are within the health and social services system. I cannot say right now exactly what mechanism, I cannot promise that there would be a forum or panel that would go to every community, but certainly there would be opportunities for community and individual input. Thank you.

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David Krutko

Mackenzie Delta

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like the Minister to ensure concerning any documentation regarding this review when it does become public, that as Members of this House we have access to all of this documentation as soon as it is made available. Thank you.

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Kelvin Ng

Kitikmeot

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I can give assurances to the Member and all Members of the western Northwest Territories Assembly that will be here, that once the draft terms of reference are ready, they will have an opportunity to provide input before they are finalized. Thank you.

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Question 22-13(7): GNWT Hiring Process

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is for the Premier , in relation to the statement that I made earlier, about the hiring processes. Mr. Speaker, as we all know we have had to lay off a lot of people who had been in indeterminate positions and they were classified as priority hire or have received a priority hire designation. After that we instituted a no layoff policy and to do that we instituted a policy where there would be a lot of internal competitions first. What I would like to know is, can people with priority hire designation apply on internal competitions if they are not currently working for this government? Thank you.

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Mr. Premier .

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as far as I know there is still the internal competition as a policy with this government to accommodate the no layoff policy in this time of transition of division. The specific question of the honourable Member is are priority ones still able to apply for competitions for these jobs. As far as I know the internal competition is still there, I am not too clear as to exactly if the priority one is already within the system then certainly it would apply for these internal competitions.

If they are outside the internal hiring, if they cannot find anyone within the internal hiring then the priority ones could apply for these positions. That is the way I understand the whole system at this time. Thank you.

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Samuel Gargan

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, as I understand it, when we laid off these people we promised them that they would have first crack at jobs that came open in the GNWT. I would like to ask the Premier if this effect on people with priority hire designation, if this was considered when this new internal competition policy was put into place? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, maybe in reply to the honourable Member I would like to go back to the whole system of hiring in the government. I think in the honourable Member's earlier statement he indicated that there was a lot of concern about gaps in the system, perhaps lack of coordination between the different departments and that there is a lot of dissatisfaction, people losing faith with this government. I understand that. We all heard that and we all understand that.

We changed the system, we decentralized the personnel secretariat in 1996 in the whole process of trying to tighten our belts and so forth and we reduced the number of people that were doing this kind of work when we did away with the personnel secretariat. Now the onus is on each department. The onus is on each Minister and each deputy minister to comply with the policies that this government has. We know that it has been three years since we have made the change and perhaps the system is not working perfectly.

We know that whenever there is change there are unforseen problems that creep up and as a government we should deal with it. We are aware of these problems that the honourable Member is mentioning. I did answer a letter to him from the department which, more or less, said everything is okay, but basically there is still concern out there and we are aware of it. We will try to make the changes that are there, but again I want to now say that the onus is now on the Ministers and the deputy ministers to make sure these policies dealing with hiring for positions in the government are there with the Ministers who are responsible for each department. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. At this time I am not speaking about the dissolution or the doing away with the Personnel Department. Policies that we have instituted seem to be inconsistent. On the one hand we are telling people we are laying you off from an indeterminate position, so you will have a priority hire designation. On the other hand we have instituted another policy where we are only having internal hires first, so people who have priority hire cannot even apply. What I would like to know is, how did this government consider and respond to those type of people when they were instituting this new policy of internal competitions? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, we will have to look at that policy because again the honourable Member is saying were there inconsistencies in our system. I am saying that yes, each Minister and each deputy minister is responsible for making sure these policies are consistent and are fair to the people who want to work or actually the people who are not within the government system. I think that we should really take a close look at that again. The question is very relevant in that perhaps our policies need to be looked at closer to try to accommodate the people who want to work for this government. Thank you.

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Roy Erasmus

Yellowknife North

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, could the Premier indicate when he will be doing this and whether he will bring the results of that review to this House? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I would like to make a commitment that we will look at this situation right away and we will bring it forward to the Members as soon as we can. I cannot put a time frame on it, I need to talk to the staff that are doing this kind of work and I will get that information to the Members of this House. Thank you.

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Question 23-13(7): Negotiated Contract Policy Review

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, my question will be for Mr. Antoine , the Premier . It is in relationship to my statement yesterday regarding negotiated contracts. I was very pleased to receive a letter, as I mentioned yesterday, from the Premier indicating that in December a committee was formulated of the deputies, senior representatives of the various government departments, to come up and formulate a review of the polices regarding negotiated contracts.

I am wondering if the Premier can tell us if he can commit to, once the recommendations come forward and the findings from that, if he will make that available to the stakeholders, Mr. Speaker? The people in the construction business, those that are consultants around the territories, the aboriginal leaders, and so forth; there are many people affected by such a policy and I understand the policy has been used for some economic stimulation and certainly regional stimulation from time to time. We need to have feedback from that on various stakeholders. I wonder if the Premier will commit to providing that to those stakeholders? Thank you

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, once the review is done and the Cabinet has an opportunity to review it, we will share it with the Members of this House. Usually any information that comes to Members in this House finds its way into the public somehow or another, so I think that I can make that commitment to the honourable Member, that as soon as the Cabinet reviews this we will share it with the Members of this House. Subsequently, if it is approved by the Members we will share it with the stakeholders, too. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr, Speaker. I think that is very good, I appreciate the response from the Premier on that, Mr. Speaker. The second item I referred to yesterday was the area of request for proposals which has been of concern specifically to me. I have had several organizations and several contractors get in touch with me in regards to the process. The principle problem that seems to be there is the feedback for the unsuccessful bidders; also, the transparency of that process in the end. Could the Premier make a commitment to expand the review by the senior officials of the departments to include the RFP process? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, in regard to the request for proposals and what the honourable Member is asking in regard to transparency and getting feedback on the unsuccessful proposals that come forward, I would perhaps like to have an opportunity to review it. I think the Financial Management Board Secretariat is reviewing that now and will have something perhaps by the end of this month on the negotiated contracts. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Certainly I appreciate that the negotiated contract process is underway but, as I said earlier, RFPs are also of concern out there. One of the areas, it is not just limited to the one area of feedback, but also the transparency and public understanding of what the successful bid was for. I wonder if I could repeat my earlier question, if the Premier will commit to having the deputy ministers' committee, or the senior officials committee, look at the RFP process as well? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Yes, Mr. Speaker, the question is to give the request for proposal, to see if it could be more transparent so that the unsuccessful proposals can get some feedback to see why they were not successful, and to give that as a task to the senior members that make up the committee. We will give that direction to them as well. Thank you.

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Jake Ootes

Yellowknife Centre

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. There is a great deal of information out there, there are national contracting process manuals, and so forth, used by various agencies, federal governments. I wonder if the Premier could tell us if his committee will also be reviewing other jurisdictions that use negotiated contracts and RFPs, so we get a complete national look at this and inject it into our system? Thank you.

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Jim Antoine

Nahendeh

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, I am not aware of whether this committee is looking into other jurisdictions on how to do their own contracting, the use of national standards or whatever. I will check into that and get back to the honourable Member. Thank you.

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Question 24-13(7): Firearms Regulations Implementation

Item 6: Oral Questions

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Mark Evaloarjuk

Amittuq

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would like to direct my question to the Minister of Justice . This winter I gave him a question on the firearms regulations, and I have not received an answer to this point. We were given a statement that the firearms regulations were implemented in December, 1998, to the year 2000. They were going to have information programs for the general public.

We were told in Igoolik the RCMP is responsible for the firearms implementation in our region. For that reason, we will have to pay some fees, maybe approximately $25. At first, it started off as $150, and then it came down to $50, and then when you pay that fee we will be given a workshop in our area, after we have paid for the workshop fees. I do not believe this is required in our region. We are told to learn how to handle our rifles. These people are not from the Northwest Territories and they seem to be more knowledgeable about how to handle firearms. I would like to know exactly what kind of arrangements there are for firearms regulations. Thank you. (Translation ends)

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Samuel Gargan

The Honourable Goo Arlooktoo .

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Goo Arlooktoo

Baffin South

(Translation) Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, the Alberta government is responsible

for the firearms regulations. They are applying to the Canadian government to appeal the firearms regulations and we will be involved, as well, with the Alberta government, as well as the Yukon, Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario governments, to oppose this bill. We are not familiar at this time exactly as to how far they have gone to date with this opposition to the new firearms regulations in Canada. It is through the Canadian Supreme Court that it will take place and the hearing has not been set. What the honourable Member has asked, the question, I am not familiar at this time and when I know, then I will be able to answer his question. (Translation ends)

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Question 25-13(7): Nwtpc Fuel Supply Contract

Item 6: Oral Questions

Page 74

Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. My question is directed to the Minister responsible for the Power Corporation. I would like to follow up on some questions that were asked earlier in reference to the contract that was awarded Woodworth Oil, a Newfoundland company, to provide fuel to a number of power plants in the Nunavut region.

Mr. Speaker, the Minister indicated that one of the criteria that they considered was creating a competitive environment. I would like the Minister to provide me with more detail as to exactly what he means by this. Thank you.

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The Minister responsible for the NWT Power Corporation. Mr. Dent .

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I would assume that the Power Corporation felt that by allowing another supplier or another supplier of shipping services to demonstrate whether or not they could do the job, that the next time the tender came up that there would be more chance of a competitive bid. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The Minister indicated, last week I believe, that the price was not a major factor, that the prices were similar when they reviewed the RFP or RFQs, whatever they were regarding this contract. Mr. Speaker, it is my understanding over the last three and a half years we have been told an RFP, an RFQ, is a competitive process. What is the difference in reference to this award?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. As I understand it, the process undertaken in the Keewatin was a request for proposal. It was not a request for quotation. A request for proposals is one in which the proposal by each company responding are evaluated by a team of managers and a decision is then made by the Corporation. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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Kevin O'Brien

Kivallivik

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Mr. Speaker, can the Minister tell the House the type of fuel that was purchased in reference to this contract, whether it is the same type, same quality fuel that we are using now?

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Charles Dent

Yellowknife Frame Lake

Thank you, Mr. Speaker. The fuel quality specifications would have been set in the request for proposal and there would be a minimum standard that would be required to be met by any supplier. Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

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